Re: [SWCollect] ZorkQuest #2
On Jan 19, 2004, at 11:21 PM, Jim Leonard wrote: Just saw http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItemitem=3072836862ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 on ebay if anyone is interested. This pertains to our you mean InfoComic #4 is rare? discussion we had recently. Shhh! I was hoping to keep that one secret! ;-) (Like that's going to happen with this group of eagle-eyed collectors...) -- Edward Franks -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[SWCollect] Only opened slightly for pictures...
Even I cringed when I read this description:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItemitem=3069631145category=11030
Given the seller's handle, I was amused by the graded mint scale ('gem
mint'), too. Perhaps MobyScale 2.0 could add precious stones as
qualifiers for each grade. Diamond Mint. Emerald Good. Cubic
Zirconium Poor. ^_^
--
Edward Franks
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[SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s
What do you all think of this: I made a trade with someone on the game trading zone for a particular game. I won't tell you which one so you won't try to figure out who it was. Anyway, I described the condition of the game I was sending in some detail. We made the trade, and then noticed that the person had left me negative feedback. The comment was something to the effect of fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me!. I emailed the person the following: I just saw your rating of me on the gametz. I didn't realize that you were unhappy with our trade. What exactly is/was the problem? They responded: What would I possibly want with 5.25s. You went into great detail describing the condition but never informed me that the disks were 5.25s. I have nothing to play this game on or to copy it to. The value of a 5.25 set is considerably less than 3.5s. To your credit though I do appreciate your response. I then responded: I certainly was not trying to deceive you, and I disagree with you on your estimation of the value. If you want to play the game and don't have a 5.25 inch drive I'm sure you know that you can download it off the 'net. If you had asked I certainly would have told you, but to tell you the truth, the disk size did not even occur to me. My personal copy also has 5.25 inch disks, as do many of the other games in my collection. If I only collected 3.5 inch disks and CDs, I would miss out on many great games. That being the case, if you were not satisfied, I don't understand why you didn't email me and let me know instead of posting a cryptic message to gametz. Is this the first time you think I've fooled you, or the second? I got no response. Did I do something wrong here? More generally, what is the opinion of the people on this list regarding a game that came in two versions: one on 5.25 inch disks and one on 3.5 inch disks? Are the 3.5 inch disks more valuable? Stuart Information in this message reflects current market conditions and is subject to change without notice. It is believed to be reliable, but is not guaranteed for accuracy or completeness. Details provided do not supersede your normal trade confirmations or statements. Any product is subject to prior sale. CIBC World Markets Corp, its affiliated companies, and their officers or employees, may have a position in or make a market in any security described above, and may act as an investment banker or advisor to such. Although CIBC World Markets Corp. is an indirect, wholly owned subsidiary of Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce (CIBC), it is solely responsible for its contractual obligations. Any securities products recommended, purchased, or sold in any client accounts (i) will not be insured by the FDIC, (ii)will not be deposits or obligations of CIBC, (iii) will not be endorsed or guaranteed by CIBC, and (iv) will be subject to risks, including possible loss of principal invested. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s
As, poeple have already mentioned, 3.5 may be more useful, but it's obvious that 5.25 is more valuable. Look at the games that sell for the most on eBay (we're talking $500 - $2000 range). They're all 5.25 or cassette. Ask the guy if he has a cassette drive :-). Hugh -Original Message- From: Feldhamer, Stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jan 20, 2004 1:26 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s What do you all think of this: I made a trade with someone on the game trading zone for a particular game. I won't tell you which one so you won't try to figure out who it was. Anyway, I described the condition of the game I was sending in some detail. We made the trade, and then noticed that the person had left me negative feedback. The comment was something to the effect of fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me!. I emailed the person the following: I just saw your rating of me on the gametz. I didn't realize that you were unhappy with our trade. What exactly is/was the problem? They responded: What would I possibly want with 5.25s. You went into great detail describing the condition but never informed me that the disks were 5.25s. I have nothing to play this game on or to copy it to. The value of a 5.25 set is considerably less than 3.5s. To your credit though I do appreciate your response. I then responded: I certainly was not trying to deceive you, and I disagree with you on your estimation of the value. If you want to play the game and don't have a 5.25 inch drive I'm sure you know that you can download it off the 'net. If you had asked I certainly would have told you, but to tell you the truth, the disk size did not even occur to me. My personal copy also has 5.25 inch disks, as do many of the other games in my collection. If I only collected 3.5 inch disks and CDs, I would miss out on many great games. That being the case, if you were not satisfied, I don't understand why you didn't email me and let me know instead of posting a cryptic message to gametz. Is this the first time you think I've fooled you, or the second? I got no response. Did I do something wrong here? More generally, what is the opinion of the people on this list regarding a game that came in two versions: one on 5.25 inch disks and one on 3.5 inch disks? Are the 3.5 inch disks more valuable? Stuart Information in this message reflects current market conditions and is subject to change without notice. It is believed to be reliable, but is not guaranteed for accuracy or completeness. Details provided do not supersede your normal trade confirmations or statements. Any product is subject to prior sale. CIBC World Markets Corp, its affiliated companies, and their officers or employees, may have a position in or make a market in any security described above, and may act as an investment banker or advisor to such. Although CIBC World Markets Corp. is an indirect, wholly owned subsidiary of Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce (CIBC), it is solely responsible for its contractual obligations. Any securities products recommended, purchased, or sold in any client accounts (i) will not be insured by the FDIC, (ii)will not be deposits or obligations of CIBC, (iii) will not be endorsed or guaranteed by CIBC, and (iv) will be subject to risks, including possible loss of principal invested. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s
Lee K. Seitz wrote: I would hope anyone interested in vintage games would be knowledgable enough about the item(s) they want to know what format(s) it was available on and ask if they knew it came on more than one. It was very rude for them to give you negative feedback without e-mailing you first. Agreed. If I promise not to look up who the person was, can I ask just what title it was that you traded to him? If it was made at any point before 1986, the dude was just clueless to think it came on 3.5... -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s
I recently built a new machine and attempted to get an old dual drive like this working but couldn't :-( Light was constantly on, like the cable was bad. I'll try again. That does sound like a bad cable, or even a good cable turned 180 degrees. - Peo -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s
Actually, I realized that I accidentally already gave out enough info to figure out who I'm talking about. The person is a fairly high profile trader on gametz, but he deals mostly in CD-ROM games. The game in question was (don't cringe, C.E.) Leather Goddesses of Phobos 2. Stuart -Original Message- From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 4:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s Lee K. Seitz wrote: I would hope anyone interested in vintage games would be knowledgable enough about the item(s) they want to know what format(s) it was available on and ask if they knew it came on more than one. It was very rude for them to give you negative feedback without e-mailing you first. Agreed. If I promise not to look up who the person was, can I ask just what title it was that you traded to him? If it was made at any point before 1986, the dude was just clueless to think it came on 3.5... -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Information in this message reflects current market conditions and is subject to change without notice. It is believed to be reliable, but is not guaranteed for accuracy or completeness. Details provided do not supersede your normal trade confirmations or statements. Any product is subject to prior sale. CIBC World Markets Corp, its affiliated companies, and their officers or employees, may have a position in or make a market in any security described above, and may act as an investment banker or advisor to such. Although CIBC World Markets Corp. is an indirect, wholly owned subsidiary of Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce (CIBC), it is solely responsible for its contractual obligations. Any securities products recommended, purchased, or sold in any client accounts (i) will not be insured by the FDIC, (ii)will not be deposits or obligations of CIBC, (iii) will not be endorsed or guaranteed by CIBC, and (iv) will be subject to risks, including possible loss of principal invested. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s
On Jan 20, 2004, at 2:48 PM, Lee K. Seitz wrote: [Snip] On this list or in the general population? 8) I think you'll find most of this list has some older hardware tucked away for just such occasions. I was mainly thinking of the average gamer. For people like us I take it as a given we have multiple machines. However, you have me wondering now if my current computer supports a B: drive. I wanted to move my 5.25/3.5 combo drive (footnote) to my new computer, but both 5.25 bays are filled (one CD-R, one DVD-ROM), so I never tried it. I've got one of those Gateway combo drives. I never could get it to work after I got rid of my P5-90 (o, Pentium power). I'm curious, though. How many people here with older hardware keep it set up all the time, network it with their current systems, and/or use KVM switches to reduce the clutter? I keep a platinum Apple //e setup all the time. I also have my main gaming PC and my retro gaming PC (DOS 6.22/Win98SE dual boot, 3dfx Voodoo2 with a whopping 12 MB RAM :-D) on a KVM switch. Both are networked to make it easier to transfer files or snag the MS security update de jour. -- Edward Franks -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Modern classics
Jim Leonard schrieb: It's not the calculators: It's what makes money. You shouldn't be scared that accountants and suits are ruining the industry; instead, you should be scared that the core sales of most computer and console gaming are the way they are. It is a hard pill to swallow that adventure games simply don't sell enough units to make a profit. True. It's only that once upon a time the profit didn't matter as much. You could singlehandedly or in a duo write a game and find a publisher easy enough, even if your game was totally obscure. Nowadays profit is the prime directive and who knows better about profits than the suits? Those managers sure know a thing about finances, but apparently not much about how the creative side of this industry works. For example, whoever adviced EA to ship games in DVD cases immediately cut down production costs, but failed to realize it'll lower the number of units sold, as there won't be much left that distinguishes a bought game from a warez version. It is the same as with the music industry: Some managers found that instead of expensive talent scouting and sponsoring bands that might fail, they should simply manufacture boy- and girlgroups, who specifically cater to the target audience that spends the most money on its idols and music: teenagers. Now the music industry blames P2P for the slump in music sales, instead of realizing we had one too many Boyzone, Westlife, Backstreet Boys, N'Sync et. al., and no real talent in the charts for some time. Imagine Meat Loaf trying to get a record contract these days. There are a *few* sequels, maybe 5 a year, that are indeed worth playing. I just recently finished Ratchet and Clank: Going Commando, and it was a surprisingly deep game with a lot of replay value. But that is the exception. True again. What also irks me as a PC gamer these days is that we are mostly given gruesome console ports. Most recent example there being Deux Ex: Invisible War. The game may be perfect for the Xbox and its audience, on the PC the graphics, the simplified story and character generation, the idiotic UI and the lack of any depth is horrifying. Marco -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Modern classics
Marco Thorek wrote: True. It's only that once upon a time the profit didn't matter as much. Yes, but the market was completely different then. There's an interview with Ken Williams on the Roberta Williams collection where he says something to the effect of In the old days, we all went on picnics and canoe trips together. But today, [1995] it's considered a smash success if you have 1% market share. My point is that up to 1985, most games sold well because the market was open. 1985-1993 saw things get crowded, and after that it all went downhill. You could singlehandedly or in a duo write a game and find a publisher easy enough, even if your game was totally obscure. Nowadays profit is the prime directive and who knows better about profits than the suits? Pretty much. The only way to make money on games nowadays is to have a runaway shareware hit, and I haven't seen one in a while. Roller Coaster Tycoon is probably the last one man wonder game we will see in our lifetimes that makes a profit. Those managers sure know a thing about finances, but apparently not much about how the creative side of this industry works. For example, whoever adviced EA to ship games in DVD cases immediately cut down production costs, but failed to realize it'll lower the number of units sold, as there won't be much left that distinguishes a bought game from a warez version. That is only true in your country. Here in the US they still ship in boxes (small boxes, but they're still boxes :) Boyzone, Westlife, Backstreet Boys, N'Sync et. al., and no real talent in the charts for some time. Imagine Meat Loaf trying to get a record contract these days. I'm not a Meatloaf fan so that was a bad example :) but I understand completely. There are a *few* sequels, maybe 5 a year, that are indeed worth playing. I just recently finished Ratchet and Clank: Going Commando, and it was a surprisingly deep game with a lot of replay value. But that is the exception. True again. What also irks me as a PC gamer these days is that we are mostly given gruesome console ports. Most recent example there being Deux Ex: Invisible War. The game may be perfect for the Xbox and its audience, on the PC the graphics, the simplified story and character generation, the idiotic UI and the lack of any depth is horrifying. Don't say that! I was so looking forward to playing the sequel after having finished the original twice... -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s
Edward Franks wrote: Who needs mo'slo when you can play Ultima 2 in all its CGA glory? ;-) You know, this brings up something that I've always maintained: No matter how convenient an emulator is, or how much it enhances or speeds up a game (ie making the game more 'snappy' because there are no floppy accesses), I still feel that nothing beats the total old gaming experience than on an old PC. The games are old; they were written for old hardware; they should be experienced there at least once. Seriously: One week every two years, I drag out the old IBM 5150 (or PCjr) and play an old game from start to finish. I try to do so in a medium-lit room (not too bright), in a quiet environment, preferably a basement ;) with all original hardware (no clone monitors or keyboards) and a six-pack of Pepsi. You can really lose yourself in the game's story and mechanics (which is completely intentional because you surely didn't do it via sound and graphics). It is in your own head that the best pictures are drawn. Or am I the only one who executed a round of attacks in an RPG and sat with baited breath while the disk drive paused, whirred, taunting me with the result until finally the results were printed? Sorry to get all nostalgic like that. Time to snap back into reality and pay the bills... -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s
Howard Feldman wrote: So I can still use it as a 5.25 drive, or a 3.5 drive, just not both at the same time. I must open the computer and switch jumpers to get it to work! So in summary, watch out before buying Asus Motherboards!!! (Can anyone list decent contemporary M/B manufacturers whose BIOS DO support 2 floppy drives?? Gigabyte? Abit? Intel?) Most still do, I think. I just bought an EPoX 8KRA2+, Athlon XP 2500+ CPU, and 512 MB Kingston RAM for $250 and that combo supports two drives. Frankly I was surprised to hear that it wasn't an option -- it's like, what, 4 bytes in the interrupt table? (The EPoX is running beautifully, BTW. I've had 0 compatibility issues, which was why I upgraded. I previous had an old KT133-based board, back when the Athlon 1GHz came out 3.5 years ago, and I never once got all my hardware working at the same time.) -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s
Dan Chisarick wrote: At the hight of my media conversion insanity, I had everything on a 4-port KVM. Now all the old machines are on their own network. I used a P-90 running Windows 98 w/a 5.25 Gateway drive that I sold and later asked for it back (they weren't using it). I also have a CPS Option Board, but not an ancient machine w/360k drives to make it happy. There was an upgrade for 1.2MB drives I think. Jim? Later software upgrades supported 1.2MB disks, but not copy-protection. Meaning, very simple oddities like less/more tracks per sector, or odd sector sizes, were copyable -- but something wacko like missing indexes or goofy-long GAP sequences were not. It was added primarily to address the requests of customers who wanted to dupe 1.2MB floppies in one pass, without swapping, and at 2x or faster speeds (the Central Point Option Board writes and verifies disks at least twice as fast as a regular floppy controller). I believe any TransCopy version 5.x will do this (use the TCM binary, not the TC binary). As an aside, I use Disk Factory to image my PC games. Doesn't seem to like newer, faster machines or Windows XP. Anyone have a preferred PC archive tool that actually works w/modern hardware? (I remember talking about my Apple imaging tools, but not PC...) I use only Option Boards for protected disks. While I use different versions for different protections when DUPLICATING disks, I use only TransCopy v5.4 images for ARCHIVAL. This is because 5.4, while dumbed down to not copy as many formats as earlier versions, is the most stable. (BTW, word of warning, each TransCopy version will only read image files created by that version.) -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
