Re: [SWCollect] Ebay trader experiences
Also, as a psychological matter, when a buyer has indicated how high they would go with a bid it becomes very difficult to retreat from that monetary amount. I've personally only been able to do it once (IIRC) and that was in eBay's early days. The seller has the advantage over the buyer in this situation. There is just no incentive for the seller to retreat from that high bid -- the buyer has gone so far as to place a bid for that amount! The whole 'can I get more money now or later?' line of thought seems to just go down the drain, which kind of screws the buyer looking for an after-auction deal. This is a very good, and interesting, point. A lot of sellers would see this as you having made an offer, now you're trying to back down. Personally if it were me, I'd've let the $7 go and sold it to you for $25: eBay can be notoriously inconsistent, and something that sold for $32 yesterday might only net you the starting bid of $15 today, it all depends on the competition. If you wait until they relist it, you may even get it for less, and they'd be the ones getting stuck. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Ebay trader experiences
Hm, I remember years back I found SWM through their website and sent them an email because I wanted to buy some of the stuff they had listed. They actually never replied. When I saw them selling via ebay for prices higher than what their website offered I knew why. Eventually I bought one item from them via ebay and have to second what Chris said: They know a shrinked item is worth more. But if proper identification of a game as being reshrinked or originally shrinked is due to a lack of experience on their end, I don't know. Their item descriptions to me sometimes seem a little hazy by purpose. I also think I remember that communication with them was very limited and that they way overcharged on international shipping costs. Marco Stefan Lindblom schrieb: Ahoy mates! Just curious about a certain trader on Ebay who seems to be alot into vintage games, with over a 1000 feedbacks. The traders Ebay name and mailadress is [EMAIL PROTECTED] And I was just wondering if any of you have had any experiences with him/her/them.. and if so, what they are? The reason I ask.. well, I won a few of their auctions, including a high prized SSI one. I was outbid on one however, but was approached later by them asking if I wanted to pay my highest bid for another copy they had. My highest bid was more than double the listed starting price so I asked if we could come an agreement with would mean a 7$(from 32$ to 25$) cut in my offer. Listing price was 15$ so I thought that was a fair offer. No risks for them, no time waiting, and no ebay fees. I got a very short and rude reply. Surely more than one of you guys have dealt with them before.. what have your experiences been? /Stefan, wearing out the hangover in front of comp -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Ebay trader experiences
On Sunday, August 31, 2003, at 09:23 AM, Stefan Lindblom wrote: Ahoy mates! Just curious about a certain trader on Ebay who seems to be alot into vintage games, with over a 1000 feedbacks. The traders Ebay name and mailadress is [EMAIL PROTECTED] And I was just wondering if any of you have had any experiences with him/her/them.. and if so, what they are? The reason I ask.. well, I won a few of their auctions, including a high prized SSI one. I was outbid on one however, but was approached later by them asking if I wanted to pay my highest bid for another copy they had. My highest bid was more than double the listed starting price so I asked if we could come an agreement with would mean a 7$(from 32$ to 25$) cut in my offer. Listing price was 15$ so I thought that was a fair offer. No risks for them, no time waiting, and no ebay fees. I got a very short and rude reply. Surely more than one of you guys have dealt with them before.. what have your experiences been? I've dealt with them (Software and More) on eBay and before that on their (very basic) website http://members.aol.com/swmoretp/AP.html. I've never had a complaint or a problem with them. However, they do know that their stuff is worth some money so I imagine cutting a deal with them isn't an option. Also, as a psychological matter, when a buyer has indicated how high they would go with a bid it becomes very difficult to retreat from that monetary amount. I've personally only been able to do it once (IIRC) and that was in eBay's early days. The seller has the advantage over the buyer in this situation. There is just no incentive for the seller to retreat from that high bid -- the buyer has gone so far as to place a bid for that amount! The whole 'can I get more money now or later?' line of thought seems to just go down the drain, which kind of screws the buyer looking for an after-auction deal. I'd basically just let the whole thing go just as you would for a lost auction. It gets too easy to get yourself upset at the situation and/or seller when you'll probably want to buy something from them in the future. (Being in California they seem to get a small, but steady supply of some rare items.) I'm sorry I can't give you a better answer. Good luck with the next auctions! -- Edward Franks -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Ebay trader experiences
SWM have been around for a long time. They are two people, Tony and Paula. They run a small shop out in CA and apparently have a warehouse of older software. They also get some of it fromat least one supplier, though I've never gotten them to divulge any details. For awhile the biggest problem with them was the question of whether their shrinked items were original or rewraps. One of their suppliers put reshrinks on used games, and SWM at the time didn't fully understand the collector market.And they were in a bit of a position, they couldn't just ask their supplier to stop reshrinking because known originals were more valuable, or they'd get their prices raised. They weren't alwaysterribly good at identifying reshrinks and I think disappointed a lot of collectors, though, to be fair, they did take the reshrinks back and offer refunds. They still use a system of "rating" the wrap: D=definitely new, P=probably new, something like that, which I've never understood: If you're not certain, open it and take the loss if there is one. I did a column article on them (just explaining allthis so collectors would know, nothing like my counterfeiter pieces) which got them a bit upset, but I also gave them advice on how to spot reshrinks, and I still buy from them today occasionally. I've always had good service, never rude responses from them. I was kind of surprised to hear they'd been rude to you. - Original Message - From: Stefan Lindblom To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 9:23 AM Subject: [SWCollect] Ebay trader experiences Ahoy mates! Just curious about a certain trader on Ebay who seems to be alot into vintage games, with over a 1000 feedbacks. The traders Ebay name and mailadress is [EMAIL PROTECTED] And I was just wondering if any of you have had any experiences with him/her/them.. and if so, what they are? The reason I ask.. well, I won a few of their auctions, including a high prized SSI one. I was outbid on one however, but was approached later by them asking if I wanted to pay my highest bid for another copy they had. My highest bid was more than double the listed starting price so I asked if we could come an agreement with would mean a 7$(from 32$ to 25$)cut in my offer. Listing price was 15$ so I thought that was a fair offer. No risks for them, no time waiting, and no ebay fees. I got a very short and rude reply. Surely more than one of you guys have dealt with them before.. what have your experiences been? /Stefan, wearing out the hangover in front of comp
Re: [SWCollect] Ebay trader experiences
Thanks for all the feedback guys, highly appreciated. I guess I was expecting to hear just positive things about them but I guess I feel a bit relieved now that I know they aren't any saints. This whole reshrinking thing is a very nasty business. I mean, I am not as great as some of you are in spotting differences in the wrap. Looking to the left of me at my bookshelf however, I do notice that the wrap on my goldbox games seems to differ from each other. I assume that is a bad sign. And... the last thing I would do with a game is to unwrap it. Maybe stupid but.. I am sorry to hear about your bad experiences with them Tom, had I known about them before this I dont think I would have bought anything from them. Oh well, at least I know better now and wont trade with them again. But tell me Tom, I didn't see you among their bad feedbacks, I checked them before today. I assume you got a refund or something and some kind of apology from them? Isnt reshrinking and selling things claiming them to be new fraud? They could of course claim they didn't know anything about it.. but still... sounds like serious fraud to me. /Stefan - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Ebay trader experiences SWM have been around for a long time. They are two people, Tony and Paula. They run a small shop out in CA and apparently have a warehouse of older software. They also get some of it fromat least one supplier, though I've never gotten them to divulge any details. For awhile the biggest problem with them was the question of whether their shrinked items were original or rewraps. One of their suppliers put reshrinks on used games, and SWM at the time didn't fully understand the collector market.And they were in a bit of a position, they couldn't just ask their supplier to stop reshrinking because known originals were more valuable, or they'd get their prices raised. They weren't alwaysterribly good at identifying reshrinks and I think disappointed a lot of collectors, though, to be fair, they did take the reshrinks back and offer refunds. They still use a system of "rating" the wrap: D=definitely new, P=probably new, something like that, which I've never understood: If you're not certain, open it and take the loss if there is one. I did a column article on them (just explaining allthis so collectors would know, nothing like my counterfeiter pieces) which got them a bit upset, but I also gave them advice on how to spot reshrinks, and I still buy from them today occasionally. I've always had good service, never rude responses from them. I was kind of surprised to hear they'd been rude to you. - Original Message - From: Stefan Lindblom To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 9:23 AM Subject: [SWCollect] Ebay trader experiences Ahoy mates! Just curious about a certain trader on Ebay who seems to be alot into vintage games, with over a 1000 feedbacks. The traders Ebay name and mailadress is [EMAIL PROTECTED] And I was just wondering if any of you have had any experiences with him/her/them.. and if so, what they are? The reason I ask.. well, I won a few of their auctions, including a high prized SSI one. I was outbid on one however, but was approached later by them asking if I wanted to pay my highest bid for another copy they had. My highest bid was more than double the listed starting price so I asked if we could come an agreement with would mean a 7$(from 32$ to 25$)cut in my offer. Listing price was 15$ so I thought that was a fair offer. No risks for them, no time waiting, and no ebay fees. I got a very short and rude reply. Surely more than one of you guys have dealt with them before.. what have your experiences been? /Stefan, wearing out the hangover in front of comp
RE: [SWCollect] Ebay trader experiences
For what it's worth, I bought a Caverns of Callisto from them. It was not in shrink, but it is truly near mint. If they were in the business of re-shrinking games themselves, they could have easily done this one. Caverns ranks very high on the collectability scale. Hugh -Original Message-From: Stefan Lindblom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 10:35 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Ebay trader experiences Thanks for all the feedback guys, highly appreciated. I guess I was expecting to hear just positive things about them but I guess I feel a bit relieved now that I know they aren't any saints. This whole reshrinking thing is a very nasty business. I mean, I am not as great as some of you are in spotting differences in the wrap. Looking to the left of me at my bookshelf however, I do notice that the wrap on my goldbox games seems to differ from each other. I assume that is a bad sign. And... the last thing I would do with a game is to unwrap it. Maybe stupid but.. I am sorry to hear about your bad experiences with them Tom, had I known about them before this I dont think I would have bought anything from them. Oh well, at least I know better now and wont trade with them again. But tell me Tom, I didn't see you among their bad feedbacks, I checked them before today. I assume you got a refund or something and some kind of apology from them? Isnt reshrinking and selling things claiming them to be new fraud? They could of course claim they didn't know anything about it.. but still... sounds like serious fraud to me. /Stefan - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Ebay trader experiences SWM have been around for a long time. They are two people, Tony and Paula. They run a small shop out in CA and apparently have a warehouse of older software. They also get some of it fromat least one supplier, though I've never gotten them to divulge any details. For awhile the biggest problem with them was the question of whether their shrinked items were original or rewraps. One of their suppliers put reshrinks on used games, and SWM at the time didn't fully understand the collector market.And they were in a bit of a position, they couldn't just ask their supplier to stop reshrinking because known originals were more valuable, or they'd get their prices raised. They weren't alwaysterribly good at identifying reshrinks and I think disappointed a lot of collectors, though, to be fair, they did take the reshrinks back and offer refunds. They still use a system of "rating" the wrap: D=definitely new, P=probably new, something like that, which I've never understood: If you're not certain, open it and take the loss if there is one. I did a column article on them (just explaining allthis so collectors would know, nothing like my counterfeiter pieces) which got them a bit upset, but I also gave them advice on how to spot reshrinks, and I still buy from them today occasionally. I've always had good service, never rude responses from them. I was kind of surprised to hear they'd been rude to you. - Original Message - From: Stefan Lindblom To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 9:23 AM Subject: [SWCollect] Ebay trader experiences Ahoy mates! Just curious about a certain trader on Ebay who seems to be alot into vintage games, with over a 1000 feedbacks. The traders Ebay name and mailadress is [EMAIL PROTECTED] And I was just wondering if any of you have had any experiences with him/her/them.. and if so, what they are? The reason I ask.. well, I won a few of their auctions, including a high prized SSI one. I was outbid on one however, but was approached later by them asking if I wanted to pay my highest bid for another copy they had. My highest bid was more than double the listed starting price so I asked if we could come an agreement with would mean a 7$(from 32$ to 25$)cut in my offer. Listing price was 15$ so I thought that was a fair offer. No risks for them, no time waiting, and no ebay fees. I got a very short and rude reply. Surely more than one of you guys have dealt with them before.. what have your experiences been? /Stefan, wearing out the hangover in front of comp
Re: [SWCollect] Ebay trader experiences
I've purchased items directly from their website, and from ebay and have generally been satisfied. My only complaint was that once I tried buying a game from their site (Legend of Blacksilver I believe) and got no response for days. Suddenly I see it listed on ebay a week or two later. I complained about the lack of response and got a reply something along the lines of I've been ill lately. Too ill to reply but not ill enough to list games on ebay it seems. Again, generally satisfied, and never really got shafted by them. As for the 2nd chance (you lose the auction but they offer you another copy for your max bid) that has been offered to me once or twice by different sellers, usually ones I've done previous business with. It can be argued either way if it benefits the seller or the buyer (damn market volatility and all) but generally I see it as a kind gesture. Haggling appears to have been taken as an insult in this case. A possible way to offset the small premium paid on such a deal is to ask if they have anything else you may be interested in, and negotiate on those. Also note that one of the worst ebay scams in history was where someone was selling collectable miniatures or something, took the winner's money, made a 2nd chance offer to the 2nd and 3rd place bidders, took *their* money, and split town. On Sunday, August 31, 2003, at 10:23 AM, Stefan Lindblom wrote: Ahoy mates! Just curious about a certain trader on Ebay who seems to be alot into vintage games, with over a 1000 feedbacks. The traders Ebay name and mailadress is [EMAIL PROTECTED] And I was just wondering if any of you have had any experiences with him/her/them.. and if so, what they are? The reason I ask.. well, I won a few of their auctions, including a high prized SSI one. I was outbid on one however, but was approached later by them asking if I wanted to pay my highest bid for another copy they had. My highest bid was more than double the listed starting price so I asked if we could come an agreement with would mean a 7$(from 32$ to 25$) cut in my offer. Listing price was 15$ so I thought that was a fair offer. No risks for them, no time waiting, and no ebay fees. I got a very short and rude reply. Surely more than one of you guys have dealt with them before.. what have your experiences been? /Stefan, wearing out the hangover in front of comp
Re: [SWCollect] Ebay trader experiences
I bought from them once (not on eBay but from their website). It was a *supposedly* new shrinkwrapped FM-Towns Ultima VI. I opened it up only to find the CD was missing :( To their credit they offered a refund or to send me another game that I was interested in. Not the worst buying experience I've had, but I wouldn't count on any of their shrinkwrapped stuff being new or even complete. Steve - Original Message - From: Stefan Lindblom To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Ebay trader experiences Thanks for all the feedback guys, highly appreciated. I guess I was expecting to hear just positive things about them but I guess I feel a bit relieved now that I know they aren't any saints. This whole reshrinking thing is a very nasty business. I mean, I am not as great as some of you are in spotting differences in the wrap. Looking to the left of me at my bookshelf however, I do notice that the wrap on my goldbox games seems to differ from each other. I assume that is a bad sign. And... the last thing I would do with a game is to unwrap it. Maybe stupid but.. I am sorry to hear about your bad experiences with them Tom, had I known about them before this I dont think I would have bought anything from them. Oh well, at least I know better now and wont trade with them again. But tell me Tom, I didn't see you among their bad feedbacks, I checked them before today. I assume you got a refund or something and some kind of apology from them? Isnt reshrinking and selling things claiming them to be new fraud? They could of course claim they didn't know anything about it.. but still... sounds like serious fraud to me. /Stefan - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Ebay trader experiences SWM have been around for a long time. They are two people, Tony and Paula. They run a small shop out in CA and apparently have a warehouse of older software. They also get some of it fromat least one supplier, though I've never gotten them to divulge any details. For awhile the biggest problem with them was the question of whether their shrinked items were original or rewraps. One of their suppliers put reshrinks on used games, and SWM at the time didn't fully understand the collector market.And they were in a bit of a position, they couldn't just ask their supplier to stop reshrinking because known originals were more valuable, or they'd get their prices raised. They weren't alwaysterribly good at identifying reshrinks and I think disappointed a lot of collectors, though, to be fair, they did take the reshrinks back and offer refunds. They still use a system of "rating" the wrap: D=definitely new, P=probably new, something like that, which I've never understood: If you're not certain, open it and take the loss if there is one. I did a column article on them (just explaining allthis so collectors would know, nothing like my counterfeiter pieces) which got them a bit upset, but I also gave them advice on how to spot reshrinks, and I still buy from them today occasionally. I've always had good service, never rude responses from them. I was kind of surprised to hear they'd been rude to you. - Original Message - From: Stefan Lindblom To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 9:23 AM Subject: [SWCollect] Ebay trader experiences Ahoy mates! Just curious about a certain trader on Ebay who seems to be alot into vintage games, with over a 1000 feedbacks. The traders Ebay name and mailadress is [EMAIL PROTECTED] And I was just wondering if any of you have had any experiences with him/her/them.. and if so, what they are? The reason I ask.. well, I won a few of their auctions, including a high prized SSI one. I was outbid on one however, but was approached later by them asking if I wanted to pay my highest bid for another copy they had. My highest bid was more than double the listed starting price so I asked if we could come an agreement with would mean a 7$(from 32$ to 25$)cut in my offer. Listing price was 15$ so I thought that was a fair offer. No risks for them, no time waiting, and no ebay fees. I got a very short and rude reply. Surely more than one of you guys have dealt with them before.. what have your experiences been? /Stefan, wearing out the hangover in front of comp
