Re: t-and-f: Henry Rono
> Chas. L. Shaffer wrote: >> I'd go to see him run if it was within 300 miles. My wife and I were >> among the roughly 200 fans present when he broke the WR in the >> steeplechase at the Northwest Relays in Seattle on May 13, 1978 with a >> 8:05.4 (h). After that I saw him race several more times, including the >> great 10,000m duel with Salazar in 1982 in Eugene. >> >> I am looking forward to his masters record pursuit, whatever it may bring. >> I am glad to hear that Henry is back on a good path. >> >> Charley Shaffer >> Seattle >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Lucky you! I never saw him race in person. I remember being in Knoxville > for the 1982 TAC meet, when they let foreigners compete, and he was listed > in the program. I kept thinking that I was seeing him warming up, but it > was not to be. > > bob > (KC4TEO) I actually compete against Rono a few times on the roads. In 1980 he flew in on the Concorde from Europe to NYC for the Midland Run 15K and then came to the start via helicopter. He promptly went backwards in that race and was never a factor. Later that year at the Cascade Runoff 15K, I was leading the race with him at my shoulder at about 2 miles and he leaned into me as we went into a curve where I lost my footing due to the wet volcanic ash (remember this was the year of Mt. St. Helens). I cracked a rib but still finished ahead of him. The next year at the Bloomsday 12K I finally saw him really run. He ran in training shoes and buried all of us chasing him. It wasn't even close. When he was on, it was scary. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: The Best Cross-Country Race on the Planet - 1/22/2005
> Today in Boulder, Pete Julian and Colleen De Reuck each recorded wins, > each going away, over the hilly 6K course of mostly grass. > > Women's results: http://www.boulderroadrunners.org/results/BSTXCWRES.HTM > Men's results: http://www.boulderroadrunners.org/results/BSTXCMRES.HTM Pete just told me that the distance was actually 4 miles instead of 6K. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: Bolder Boulder Results - Men's individual
It was hot and quite windy. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2004 Bolder Boulder International Team Challenge Professional Men's 10K - Individual Results 1. Paul Koech, Kenya, 29:19 2. Meb Keflezighi, U S A, 29:30 3. Tekeste Kebede, Ethiopia, 29:43 4. Jonathan Wyatt, New Zealand, 29:46 5. Gudisa Shentama, Ethiopia, 29:47 6. James Koskei, Kenya, 29:56 7. William Naranjo, Colombia, 30:01 8. Abdi Abdirahman, U S A, 30:10 9. Alan Culpepper, U S A, 30:14 10. Michael Aish, New Zealand, 30:24 11. Franklin Tenorio, Ecuador, 30:32 12. Silvio Guerra, Ecuador, 30:32 13. Francisco Bautista, Mexico, 30:34 14. Benjamin Maiyo, Kenya, 30:36 15. Kim Gillard, Australia, 30:56 16. Gabino Apolonia, Mexico, 31:00 17. Javier Guarin, Colombia, 31:03 18. John Henwood, New Zealand, 31:04 19. Abraham Assefa, Ethiopia, 31:06 20. Julian Berrio, Colombia, 31:13 21. Pedro Mora, Venezuela, 31:20 22. Cesar Gualotuna, Ecuador, 31:31 23. You Youngjin, Korea, 31:32 24. Brett Cartwright, Australia, 31:38 25. Ji Youngjun, Korea, 31:42 26. Jose Augusto Acierno, Mexico, 31:58 27. Martin Dent, Australia, 31:58 28. Andi Jones, Great Britain, 32:06 29. Javier Gomez, Costa Rica, 32:14 30. Jason Ward, Great Britain, 32:18 31. Andrew Norman, Great Britain, 32:23 32. Larryn Sanchez, Venezuela, 32:28 33. Eric Quiroz, Costa Rica, 33:29 34. Jefrey Perez, Costa Rica, 33:43 35. Yoo Sunghoe, Korea, 33:45 36. Freddy Alvarado, Venezuela, 33:54
t-and-f: Bolder Boulder Results - Women's teams
bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Team Results Bolder Boulder International Team Challenge 1. Mexico 14 13 = 18 Madai Perez, Angelica Sanchez, America Mateos 2. Poland 37 18 = 28 Dorota Gruca, Monika Trybulska, Edyta Lewandowska 3. Japan 8 10 15 = 33 Eri Okubo, Kaori Oyama, Chika Horie 4. Russia 5 14 16 = 35 Victoria Klimina, Elena Orlova, Ramilya Burangulova 5. Romania 6 17 19 = 42 Constantina Tomescu-Dita, Aurica Buia, Iulia Olteanu 6. Kenya 2 11 29 = 42 Gladys Asiba, Emily Samoei, Anastasia Ndereba 7. Colombia 9 21 30 = 60 Bertha Sanchez, Iglandini Gonzalez, Lina Arias 8. Ecuador 12 22 27 = 61 Martha Tenorio, Wilma Guerra, Sandra Ruales 9. Great Britain 20 23 28 = 71 Helen Lawrence, Bev Jenkins, Mara Rosalind Yamauchi 10. U S A 24 25 26 = 75 Nicole Hunt, Katie Blackett, Nikole Johns
t-and-f: Bolder Boulder Results - Women's individual
bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2004 Bolder Boulder International Team Challenge Professional Women's 10K - Individual Results 1. Madai Perez, Mexico, 34:24 2. Gladys Asiba, Kenya, 34:36 3. Dorota Gruca, Poland, 34:45 4. Angelica Sanchez, Mexico, 34:55 5. Victoria Klimina, Russia, 35:24 6. Constantina Tomescu-Dita, Romania, 35:38 7. Monika Trybulska, Poland, 35:43 8. Eri Okubo, Japan, 35:45 9. Bertha Sanchez, Colombia, 35:50 10. Kaori Oyama, Japan, 35:51 11. Emily Samoei, Kenya, 35:52 12. Martha Tenorio, Ecuador, 35:54 13. America Mateos, Mexico, 35:59 14. Elena Orlova, Russia, 36:11 15. Chika Horie, Japan, 36:13 16. Ramilya Burangulova, Russia, 36:19 17. Aurica Buia, Romania, 36:25 18. Edyta Lewandowska, Poland, 36:27 19. Iulia Olteanu, Romania, 36:32 20. Helen Lawrence, Great Britain, 36:44 21. Iglandini Gonzalez, Colombia, 36:52 22. Wilma Guerra, Ecuador, 37:17 23. Bev Jenkins, Great Britain, 37:28 24. Nicole Hunt, U S A, 37:29 25. Katie Blackett, U S A, 37:32 26. Nikole Johns, U S A, 37:37 27. Sandra Ruales, Ecuador, 38:11 28. Mara Rosalind Yamauchi, Great Britain, 38:29 29. Anastasia Ndereba, Kenya, 38:45 30. Lina Arias, Colombia, 39:37
t-and-f: Bolder Boulder Results - Men's teams
bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Team Results 2004 Bolder Boulder International Team Challenge 1. U S A 289 = 19 Meb Keflezighi, Abdi Abdirahman, Alan Culpepper 2. Kenya 16 14 = 21 Paul Koech, James Koskei, Benjamin Maiyo 3. Ethiopia 35 19 = 27 Tekeste Kebede, Gudisa Shentama, Abraham Assefa 4. New Zealand 4 10 18 = 32 Jonathan Wyatt, Michael Aish, John Henwood 5. Colombia 7 17 20 = 44 William Naranjo, Javier Guarin, Julian Berrio 6. Ecuador 11 12 22 = 45 Franklin Tenorio, Silvio Guerra, Cesar Gualotuna 7. Mexico 13 16 26 = 55 Francisco Bautista, Gabino Apolonia, Jose Augusto Acierno 8. Australia 15 24 27 = 66 Kim Gillard, Brett Cartwright, Martin Dent 9. Korea 23 25 35 = 83 You Youngjin, Ji Youngjun, Yoo Sunghoe 10. Great Britain 28 30 31 = 89 Andi Jones, Jason Ward, Andrew Norman 11. Venezuela 21 32 36 = 89 Pedro Mora, Larryn Sanchez, Freddy Alvarado 12. Costa Rica 29 33 34 = 96 Javier Gomez, Eric Quiroz, Jefrey Perez
t-and-f: Ritz seems to have recovered ok
bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] RecordTiming.com - Contractor License Big XII Outdoor Track & Field Championship Norman, Oklahoma - 4/29/2004 to 5/1/2004 Event 7 Men 5000 Meter Run === American: 12:58.21 8/14/1996 Bob Kennedy, Nike College Best: 13:08.4h 5/13/1978 Henry Rono, Washington State Big XII Meet: 13:56.2h 5/19/2002 Dathan Ritzenheim, Colorado Stadium: 13:38.7h 1968Chris McChubbins, Oklahoma State NCAA Qualify: 14:18.58 NameYear School Finals Points === Finals 1 Dathan RitzenheinColorado 14:08.40 10 2 Kyle KingBaylor14:25.758 3 Scott RantallOklahoma State14:28.796 4 Dana Carne Nebraska 14:30.395 5 Greg Rouault Oklahoma State14:36.444 6 Dan Taylor Iowa State14:38.043 7 Tyler Campbell Oklahoma State14:40.142 8 Chris Jones Kansas14:40.981 9 Bo Price Baylor14:42.75 10 Jared Scott Colorado 14:45.89 11 Benson Chesang Kansas14:46.40 12 Erik HeinonenColorado 14:46.77 13 Andrew Cook Texas A&M 14:48.29 14 Tim Ross Missouri 14:49.94 15 Ryan Ripley Oklahoma State14:52.06 16 Jayme D'Agnolo Texas A&M 14:53.36 17 David Jankowski Oklahoma State14:54.04 18 Sean McCabe Oklahoma State14:58.43 19 Brett Schoolmeester Colorado 14:58.48 20 Cameron Schwehr Kansas15:01.66 21 David Pomies Oklahoma State15:02.06 22 David MertensMissouri 15:02.94 23 Dan Wiltgen Iowa State15:05.11 24 Joshy Madathil Kansas15:05.80 25 Jon Von Letscher Texas 15:06.73 26 Corey Ylinen Iowa State15:08.59 27 D.J. Hilding Kansas15:10.13 28 Andrew Middleton Texas 15:11.03 29 Tyler Kelly Kansas15:13.62 30 Brian Ehlis Oklahoma State15:16.39 31 Kyle Atwood Texas Tech15:25.50 32 Brian Duplechain Texas A&M 15:35.01 33 Erik Sloan Kansas15:44.16 34 Pete Janson Colorado 15:47.95 35 Kyle Rasmussen Iowa State15:58.07 36 Ryan French Iowa State16:11.13 37 Nicholas Chumo Oklahoma State17:08.95 -- Abraham Kimeli Kansas DNF -- Jason ColemanOklahoma DNF -- Frank Ngeno Texas Tech DNF -- Joe MooreKansas State DNF -- Salah HusseinOklahoma DNF -- Benson Cheserek Texas Tech DNF -- Jon LewisTexas A&M DNF -- Matthew Chesang Kansas State DNF
Re: t-and-f: D.C. Marathon canceled because of war, securityconcerns
It isn't the runners that wimped here. It is the race organizers. BTW they aren't refunding any money; the runners get entry into next year's race (unless they find another reason to keep the entry fees). > what does it say when U.S. runners are wimpier than figure skaters? :-) > > >> From: Matthew Starr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: Matthew Starr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:28:56 -0800 (PST) >> To: T&FList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: t-and-f: D.C. Marathon canceled because of war, security concerns >> >> Washington is also hosting the World Figure Skating >> Championships, starting with official practices on >> Friday. Competition begins Monday. City and skating >> officials have said the event will go on as scheduled. > bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: The 3rd & 7th Hardest Thing to do in Sports
As possibly the only person on the list that has run a fast marathon after starting my TF career as a pole vaulter (ok, I was in Jr High and cleared 8+ feet with a bamboo pole), I am glad to have achieved 2 of the top 10. Of course 2:10 may not be considered fast these days and 8 feet really wasn't much of a vault (though as a 12 year old it seemed very high). bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: The best non-Olympian and a new category
> The below U.S. Olympic Marathon Trials winners should top any such "dark > horse" list: > > Mark Conover (1988) I picked Conover to make the team (ask Marty Liquori). I had run the Cal International race he qualified in where there were 30+ mph headwinds most of the race and knew his performance was amazing. He had also run very well at NY Ekiden and was getting faster as the trials approached. > Jenny Spangler (1996) > Chris Clark (2000) > > None were on anyone's form chart. All three set PRs between 4-7 minutes. > > Ryan Lamppa > bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Footlocker winners future
> I believe that Kira Jorgenson is here in Houston -- working for NASA. Don't > know her collegiate history. Her focus shifted from running to NASA somewhere along the way but she still ran well while she was in grad school here at CU. She ran with Whetmore's coaching while in grad school and ran some solid performances for someone not fully focused on competition. I know that getting into the space program was her major ambition and I'm glad to see she has succeeded. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: re: virus
> The headers will frequently tell you. A message with my name on it just > went to a lister. > Regards, > martin It fakes the headers. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: re: virus
> My Norton's Antivirus has been intercepting the W32.Klez.H@mm worm for > me coming from email addresses with the domains nyrrc.org and > alamosa.k12.co.us. These appear to be track list related. Just call it a > wild hunch of mine - I don't think they turned the Purple Pig into an > internet cafÈ have they? Another lister received an e-mail from "me" as > I've been told. Here is the problem, the virus finds an email address in the infected person's email address book then emails someone else in the same book as if it came from the first choice. It is virtually impossible to trace it back to the infected party. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: NCAA Results are up
http://web.indstate.edu/athletics/cross/2002ncaa.html bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Fwd: woman marathoner dies
> A member of our club knew this woman. She had given birth 10 months ago > and was still breast feeding. She had undertaken a 30 week training > program (starting 10 weeks after giving birth). It appears that she > suffered from severe sodium imbalance possibly created by the stresses of > nursing. (my wife knows another woman with the same problem). I think the > message from this incident is that women should avoid training for such an > arduous endeavor so soon after giving birth, especially if they are still > nursing, which is particularly physically stressful. While this may be true as a general statement, I've known at least three women who have run quite well within a year of giving birth while breast feeding. I don't think it the best idea, but I don't think it is totally irresponsible either. It depends a great deal on the individual and their knowledge of their body and their training experience. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Chicago and US runners
> My point is that these runners (running 2:12 pace not 2:11 BTW), were > running a conservative time oriented race without regard to the competition > around them instead of running a "balls to the walls" risk taking race > against the best in the world. Until US runners start taking those risks, > which they did in late 70s and early 80s, they won't be competitive with > the rest of the world. These guys in their dreams couldn't run 2:06 pace for more than 1/2 without having to then stop. For them to run that kind of race would be nuts. Running 2:12 pace for most of the guys in that group was going for it. It wasn't a conservative pace since they all basically died back to 2:14. You can't run 2:06 with a 2:13 body. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: AOY
> on 10/13/02 10:35, Martin J. Dixon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> That marathon time is equivalent to a 29:28(26:02 male) effort however which >> is >> just under the "WR".>> > > Says who? Given the relatively new nature of each event on the international > front, and the incertitude of the value of various marathon courses, I say > such comparisons are almost impossible to generate. Even if the science > existed to make valid comparisons, I'd say the amount of data available is > still too small to be a valid sample. (Yo, Rich McCann, help me here!) Using Jack Daniels' VO2 formulas, I get a 29:44 predicted 10K for a 2:17:18 marathon. I've had very good fits from 10K to the marathon using these formulas over the years. I have no idea what to do to equate this to a male performance. I will say that when I was a 2:17 marathoner, I was not a sub-30 10K runner. Mostly due (I think) to training specifically for the marathon. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: chip vs. gun times at Chicago
> Looking at the Chicago results, virtually every person outside the top ten, > including names like Kimondiu, de la Cerda, Dowling, Cox, and Shay, had gun > times that were 20-25 seconds slower than their chip times. > > I've seen pictures of the Boston start, and heard similar stories from New > York, with the elite getting a substantial buffer zone on the masses. But do > even sub-2:15 guys now count as the masses and have to give up what appears to > be, based on the time involved, upwards of 100 meters? I can't imagine any > race actually has a buffer zone that size - that's bigger than a city block in > most downtowns. What's going on here? > > Another question: are the split times listed chip times? Kimondiu's half-way > split (1:02:10) is faster than the top finishers by almost exactly the > difference between his gun- and chip times at the finish. My interpretation > is that he made up the 21-second gap from the start and was running with the > leaders at halfway, but maybe I should read all the reports for myself. I'm guessing that the half split mat wasn't set properly and the times weren't adjusted. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: The CU Rocky Mt Shoot Out Results and Mid-America USATF CrossCountry Championships are posted
If you are interested, go to: http://boulderroadrunners.org/results/index.html bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Devil's advocate
Another example: Dick Buerkle used to run a marathon every fall. His best was 2:18 if my memory serves. He wasn't a marathoner but a miler (indoor record) - 5000 (2 time Olympian) runner. He pushed me on the speed woks and felt the long runs with me made him a better middle distance runner. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Average stride length
> Hoping some coach or stat nut can help me with this one... > > I'd like to know what the average stride length of the average runner is. > I'm not looking for "best stride length" or "most efficient stride length" > but just a decent guess at the average jogger's (let's say 7:00 per mile) > stride length. A close approximation will be fine. > > Anyone with a guess? That would be determined by how tall your average runner is and what their runner cadence is. Stride length is not something that is easily averaged over a population. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: The state of the art in timing the 100? (;-)
http://images.ucomics.com/comics/bl/2002/bl020917.gif bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: AAARRRGHH! was: USATF News & Notes: August 5, 2002
> Enough of the August 5th news and notes already! That was my 7th copy! > It's August 27th and we just read the Aug. 26th release yesterday... Sheesh! I just thought my server was having problems. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Why on the street?
> there's also a story, probably apocryphal, of Shorter and Bacheler running > in spikes on a golf course and some guy pulled a car in front of them (not > sure how the car was on the course, hence the apoc. nature), and supposedly > they ran right over the hood and left a score of spike holes. The way I heard this from guys in the group when it happened was that they were on the streets Of Tallahassee and they weren't wearing spikes. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: KRUMMENACKER 3:31.93!
> do you know where these results are being posted at all. Is this gonna be > televised eventually somewhere in the US http://www.dngalan.com/ bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Marla in NYC Marathon
> I expect better than this from you, Benji. Is it ignorance, cynicism or a > failed attempt at humor? I forgot the (;-). It is an attempt at humor, but also at attempt to show my future anger at commentators who will miss the point of Runyan in the race and make it about her "disability". bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: The Bolder Boulder results link
For those who are interested the Bolder Boulder Pro results are now up at: http://www.bolderboulder.com/elite_results_02.cfm bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: USATF CC scoiring redux
on 3/17/02 9:06 PM, Ed Grant at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Netters: > I have been informed that there is an added problem with the USATF > CC scoring as there are several different scores to be figured out from the > same race. (Something like when the IC4A and NCAA Regions I and II were in > the same race; at that meet, the scores sometimes weren't available for > hours and hours) > > My solution is the same---go back to hand scoring; it won't take > that long and, in the right hands, it should be accurate. Humands, after > all, should be the masters of the computer, not vice versa. > > Ed Grant The solution is to have people who know what they are doing score the race. I can easily score multiple events in the same race with no additional time delay (and have on many occasions). I also know how to code the declared runners vs undeclared runners. It doesn¹t require a Phd. in computer science, just common sense and a bit of "type-A-ness" to be sure ever thing checks out. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Olympic DQ's
> From what I've read of performance enhancing drug use, it's not at all > uncommon for athletes to experiement with truly experimental drugs to get > that extra edge. So something that was "developed" by '83 was probably in > R&D by at least '80 and may have been making the rounds that far back. > > Dan > > --- "Mcewen, Brian T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Along the same lines, I recently saw a "corporate summary" for Amgen >> in our local newspaper. It stated in no uncertain terms that Amgen >> had fully developed EPO "by 1983". It made no mention of when it >> was available as a prescription drug (I was under the impression that >> it was 1989). The first time I heard of EPO being used was 1985 in reference to cross country skiers. I don't think I heard of runners using it before 1986. The grapevine here in Boulder is usually pretty good with such things. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: Thanks for all the help on multiple US XC Champs
I've gotten a lot of info for my crossword puzzle from many people. Thanks everyone. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: How many multiple cross champions have there been?
I'm working on a crossword puzzle with multiple USA Cross country champions as the theme. I have Doris Brown Heritage, Craig Virgin, Pat Porter, Frank Shorter, Lynn Jennings, and Deena Drossin off the top of my head, but I know there are more. Help me here (I can't find my cross stat books). I know that Doris won the Worlds 5 times and Craig 2 times, did any other Americans win the Worlds? bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: chip timing at European Cross-Country Chamionships
on 1/2/02 10:06 AM, Eamonn Condon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I don't think I've seen anybody suggest placing the timing chip on the torso > (attached to race number?). This would seem to solve the trailing vs. > leading leg problem. > > Anybody know if this presents technical difficulties? The chips aren't able to "broadcast" that far consistently. What you want is a digital result. The runner has not crossed the finish; now the runner has crossed the finish. If the chip is strong enough to be detected 3+ feet off of the ground, it might be strong enough to be picked up before the runner reaches the mat. You end up with a range of detected signals where the runner is near the mat, he may be crossing the mat or he may just be near the mat. Casio looked at a gate antenna system back in the mid 80's where a watch would be the signal and the runner would be consider across the line when he passed through the detection loop (the antenna was overhead, on both sides and below). It died in development. I think chip technology has a ways to go before it replaces the human judged system (with the aid of cameras) for close important finishes. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: dude with range
on 12/10/01 4:38 PM, Tom Derderian at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Yeah, yeah,but can he vault? Throw? So speaking of range what is the best, > say, marathoner/vaulter, anyone has heard of a marathoner/thrower? > Let's talk extreme range. > Tom, 2:19 marathon, 23' shotput > 2:09:57, 8+ ft vault in Jr. High, 25+ Shot put in High School bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Hosting 2004 Olympic Marathon Trials
on 12/4/01 9:03 AM, Geoff Pietsch at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This, and other posts in a similar vein, are disappointing. Yes, the > weather will be what it will be, and the distance will indeed be 26.2, BUT > "Top three go" is NOT a given. AND THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT (Which Malmo > conveniently ignores). > Should the U.S. have three men who can run the "A" standard in any > conditions? Yes. But how about some respect and sympathy for the guys who > are running their asses off - putting in enormous mileages and probably > making real economic sacrifices (there are no big bucks for 2:15 > marathoners) - and are already maxing out their talents. On a good weather > day, on a fast course, they may just make the "A" standard. Why not reward > them for their years of effort by trying to provide those conditions? It's > not their fault that the more talented guys - the potential 2:10-2:11 guys - > aren't as committed. > And it just seems absurd to call them whiners, as Malmo and others do. > They are doing everything they can to be the best they can be; what is wrong > with trying to see that three such dedicated athletes qualify? > It occurs to me: I'm old enough to recall rather vividly when Buddy > Edelen, then the world "record" holder, came back from England (where he'd > gone to live and train since U.S. marathoning was so weak) and ran the '64 > Trials race on the very tough Yonkers course. And it came up mid-90s > temperatures. Edelen ran 2:24 and no one else broke 2:40. The weather was > what it was, as Malmo says, and the distance was 26.2. Seems like Malmo and > friends would like to see similar conditions for the 2004 Trials. That will > show those whiners! I just wonder how many of the critics will be on the > starting line. > Geoff Pietsch Geoff, No one wanting to go to the Games should go to the Trials without an A standard. There should be plenty of time between when the standard is announced and the Trials to achieve this. They should also plan on winning. Of course not everyone will be able to do this. Waiting to make the standard at the Trials is too big of a gamble even if you are that good. There is no way to pick a Trials location that will assure 3 runners on the team with today's crop of runners. We may not even have 3 runners under the standard anyway. I think making the team isn't enough of a plan, a smart and motivated runner should be planning to make the team and then running well at the games. It is nuts to train for the games and not train for heat. That is exactly what Buddy Edelen did (he told me so himself) and that is where Ron Dawes got the idea to heat train (he told me so himself) and I got the idea from Ron. I won't be on the starting line because my body has slowed down, but I don't "want" bad conditions for the runners. I just advise them to expect them and prepare for them. You can't control the weather or the other factors you encounter in a marathon, but you can prepare for them physically and mentally. If you don't, you have only yourself to blame. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: Re: hat and humid trials
on 12/3/01 7:19 AM, Mcewen, Brian T at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Birmingham in early February sounds OK for the men, but St. Louis in early > April seems like it could be too hot for the women. > > Of course, it could be cool and low humidity. But it could be too warm and > humid too. > > Anyone who lives closer to St. Louis have an opinion on what it *might* be > like on the day? Athens _will_ be hot and humid. The team should be made up of runners who have the training and tolerance for heat and humidity. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: Kim McDonald is reported to have died
Paul Christman of Running Stats has heard from a contact in England that Kim McDonald, agent to many of the top Kenyans, has died of a heart attack in Brisbane. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Takahashi trivia EMBARASSING!!
> No, of course I don't believe that. Any more than I believe that many sub > 2:15 marathoners do a lot of long runs at 6:50 pace as someone earlier > suggested they should. > I guess my 2:09:57 doesn't count since the bulk of my runs long and short when not in a race or during the 10-15K of speed work I did per week was at 6:45-7:00 pace. I wasn't just guessing the pace either, I ran a measured mile every so often just to see. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Goodwill 5000 results
>> From an AP report on the GWG 5000: >> >> "The track and field program at the Goodwill Games witnessed probably the >> slowest 5,000-meter men's race in a major championship. ... > > Farce?! I'd pay good money to see a race like this any day of the week. Had > far more going for it than any of the ludicrous rabbit-5Ks they staged on the > GP Circuit this year. This is the essence of REAL racing; see who blinks > first. > > Anybody who thinks times have to be fast for a race to be meaningful don't > appreciate the sport to the fullest. > > gh Here I would have to agree with Gary. I have been in races like this - where no one would lead and the tension was high for who would blink first. I do think racing is about more than time. Who wins is important too. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Re: Solskyddsfilm[1], etc., etc.
Guys, If you see: Hi! How are you? I send you this file in order to have your advice See you later. Thanks This the sircam virus and the file comes from an infected soul out the in the ether. It attaches itself with a file name from the infected computer appended with .com, .exe, .bat or .pif so some un-expecting victim might double click the attachment and become infected. Benji Durden
Re: t-and-f: Boulder Boulder Top Results
> Added notes on the Bolder Boulder: > > USATF provided performance based funds for the race so the total prize for > third place was $21,000 for men and for women so each American took home > $7,000 for their part in the team placing. That bonus, time bonuses and > individual USATF bonuses put Drosin's winnings at over $21,000 for the > race. Actually Deena won $20,500. $3,000 for 1st + $1,500 Time Bonus + $9000 US Olympic Training Funds + $7,000 for her part of the Team money bd == Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Tom Derderian's comments
> <<< Seems like the times are about the same, all the way from 1st to 10th, >>>> > > This just can't be possible. Entine said that Salazar, Durden, Rodgers, > Lindsay, etc. weren't even remotely as talented as those who dominate the > modern-day road racing scene. > > Oleg, you must have made up these times! :-} > Well, I _KNOW_ I can't run this fast and I certainly couldn't beat a Kenyan (unless you count Rono). (:-) ... > > MEN Falmouth 1979 > 1. Craig Virgin West Lebanon, IL 32:19 > 2. Herb Lindsay Michigan 32:27 > 3. Bill Rodgers GBTC 32:29 > 4. Jon Sinclair Colorado 32:36 > 5. Frank Shorter Colorado 32:42 > 6. Rick Rojas Colorado 32:44 > 7. John Flora Northeastern TC 32:45 > 8. Mike Roche New Jersey 32:51 > 9. Robbie Perkins unat. 33:03 > 10. Benji Durden Georgia 33:21 > > MEN Falmouth 1980 > 1. Rod Dixon New Zealand 32:20 > 2. Herb Lindsey Boulder, CO 32:32 > 3. Ric Rojas Boulder, CO 32:34 > 4. Bob Hodge GBTC 32:38 > 5. Greg Meyer GBTC 32:49 > 6. Terry Baker Wash. DC 32:58 > 7. Randy Thomas GBTC 33:03 > 8. Kyle Heffner Boulder, CO 33:07 > 9. Benji Durden Georgia 33:09 > 10. Stan Vernon Oklahoma 33:19 >
Re: t-and-f: Etiquette vs. Rules -- lapped runners
> > In terms of history, I remember that during the early 60's in the > National AAU Indoor championships, lapped runners were required to drop > out until there were only as many left as there were medals. > > Pat Palmer > > Early in my running career (early 70's) I was on pace for sub-9 indoors for the 2 mile with less 200 to go and got lapped and was forced to drop out at the The Senior Bowl Meet. I would have been 8th. I was not pleased but those were the rules. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Re: Clubs
> If the athlete was a 1:51/4:05 guy or a 10.70/21.00 sprinter in College ... > there was a reason. This level of athlete is not bound for the Olympics ... > he is bound for 5k road races and 4-on-4 basketball tournaments. I guess I was lucky I only ran 1:56/4:15 in college then, otherwise I would never have made an Olympic team. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Actovegin, Armstrong and U.S. postal
>>>>>>>>>> > The weekly Le Canard Enchaine reported Wednesday that packaging marked > Actovegin, a Norwegian medical product that is not on the banned substances > list, was among items found. Actovegin, which contains deproteinized > extracts > of calf's blood, improves the circulation of oxygen in the blood in a manner > > similar to the banned drug EPO, or erythropoetin. EPO enhances endurance by > boosting the production of oxygen-rich red blood cells. > <<<<<<<<< > > Has anyone (perhaps a European) heard of this medical product before? If > so, what does it do? I am guessing the "deproteinized extracts" might be > red blood cells separated out of the calf's blood. I'm sad to say I heard before Sydney that this was something the EPO users were moving too to do exactly what EPO does, boost the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood. It is, basically what you have guessed. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Temperature and performance
It isn't always cool in Boulder. The last couple Bolder Boulder's have been in the upper 80's to mid 90's during the elite races. It is pretty dry though. As for pressure changes, the biggest swings I've seen in the last couple years (I bought one of those fancy watches that show the altitude based on air pressure) is a couple hundred feet. That could affect performance, but not by a huge amount. If the pressure rose enough for an apparent change of 500 feet or more, the might be a reason to expect big gains in performance. But lets figure out what to do about the temperature slowing runners down before we get into that can of worms. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Hogwash. I think that you really meant that it doesn't have a significant > change in the atmospheric O2 concentration? High pressure in itself DOES > have a significant effect on performance. It brings with it cool, dry air > which is always conducive to running fast times. Anyone who lives in the > Midwest and East Coast know that a high pressure system blowing in from the > Northwest means cool evenings, blue skies and fast times (for distances). > You being in Boulder, wouldn't notice it so much as it is always cool and > dry in Boulder (Chinook effect). > > malmo
Re: t-and-f: Temperature and performance
No - it isn't me this time. Bolder Boulder is offering time bonuses this coming year and want some semi-rational way to decide when to adjust the $$ due to temperature. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 17:38:34 -0800 > To: "Benji Durden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: t-and-f: Temperature and performance > > Oh no, not shrinkage again? > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Benji Durden >> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 5:14 PM >> To: t&f list >> Subject: t-and-f: Temperature and performance >> >> >> Does anyone have a formula to calculate the effect of temperature on >> perfomance? >> >> bd >> -- >> Benji Durden >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >
t-and-f: Temperature and performance
Does anyone have a formula to calculate the effect of temperature on perfomance? bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: Big 12 Women's Team Results
Title: Big 12 Women's Team Results 2000 Big 12 Conference Cross Country Championships October 28, 2000 Women's Team Results 1. UNIVERSITY OF COLORADO 1 3 6 7 12 (21) (28) = 29 Kara Grgas-Wheeler, Sara Gorton, Tera Moody, Jodie Hughes, Lesley Higgins, Jen Fazioli, Catherine Wright 2. KANSAS STATE UNIVERSITY 2 8 15 24 32 (37) (52) = 81 Amy Mortimer, Korene Hinds, Annie Wetterhus, Catherine Holston, Ekaterini Fotopoulou, Amanda Crouse, Julianne Kronoshek 3. UNIVERSITY OF MISSOURI 10 11 23 26 30 (46) (47) = 100 Kerry Hils, Ann Marie Brooks, Katie Meyer, Amy Chipman, Sunny Gilbert, Katherine Bonugli, Ashley McLeod 4. TEXAS A & M 13 14 17 29 41 (43) (56) = 114 Melissa Gulli, Andrea Bookout, Brooke Edwards, Kayci Waters, Sarah Steadman, Kristy Bonn, Jennifer Whatley 5. OKLAHOMA STATE UNIVERSITY 9 16 18 39 57 (65) (77) = 139 Sara Wells, Alexandra Lindquist, Araceli Davila, Marie Nilsson, Ami Butler, Sharalee Sparks, Shavon Young 6. IOWA STATE UNIVERSITY 4 27 33 48 49 (54) (64) = 161 Kelly Brinkman, Laurie Meythaler, Monica Erickson, Laura Bahnson, Cara Van Eck, Jessica Huff, Kristy Kubik 7. UNIVERSITY OF NEBRASKA 20 22 31 45 55 (63) (70) = 173 Kathryn Handrup, Amie Jorgensen, Ann Gaffigan, Jenna Lucas, Jaimie Kruger, Hillary Laird, Christy Linnell 8. UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS 19 34 38 58 59 = 208 Erin Sims, Samantha Dompier, Emily Field, Talis Apud, Heather Cuthbertson 9. BAYLOR UNIVERSITY 5 36 44 61 68 (80) = 214 Kara Newton, Kim Cook, Stephanie Bennett, Leah Marbach, Erin Dixon, Meagan McCoin 10. TEXAS TECH UNIVERSITY 25 35 42 60 69 (72) = 231 Leigh Daniel, Melissa Ernst, Bridget Tidwell, Shannon Spaulding, Tracie Akerhielm, Jennifer Marable 11. UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS 40 50 51 53 62 (67) (71) = 256 Laura Lavoie, Bridgett Morrisey, Paige Higgins, Eve Lamborne, Lauren Brownrigg, Katy Eisenmenger, Kelli Reid 12. UNIVERSITY OF OKLAHOMA 66 73 74 75 76 (78) (79) = 364 Corrie Hussar, Alaina Dearman, Aisha Stringer, Sinead Holt, Stephanie Webb, Amanda Luksetich, Abby Nutter -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: Big 12 Men's Team Results
2000 Big 12 Conference Cross Country Championships October 28, 2000 Men's Team Results 1. UNIVERSITY OF COLORADO 1 2 3 4 6 (9) (36) = 16 Jorge Torres, Steve Slattery, Ed Torres, Mike Friedberg, Sean Smith, Zach Crandall, Jason Robbie 2. OKLAHOMA STATE UNIVERSITY 810182326 (27) (32) = 85 Johan Bergstrom, David Vasquez, Jason Woolhouse, Jerry Rainey, Bruce Wright, Ben Lake, Gregory Rouault 3. UNIVERSITY OF MISSOURI 1217252831 (46) (48) =113 Nick Smith, Mike Pitts, Adam MacDowell, Ryan Fitzgerald, Lee Tittle, Steven Wade, Phil Councilor 4. UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS 2122243440 (50) (54) =141 Jeff Wood, Kevin Barra, Ben Dawson, Jonathan Wybar, Cameron Keel, Jordan McCambridge, Jason Muriby 5. UNIVERSITY OF NEBRASKA 1113374151 (55) (57) =153 Marcus Witter, Aaron Carrizales, Jed Barta, Kyle Wyatt, Mike Kamm, Eric Rasmussen, Ian Gray 6. UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS 1415474952 (62) (84) =177 Charlie Gruber, Mark Menefee, Brian Blachly, Pete Prince, Brent Behrens, Brian Raggett, Derec Lacio 7. IOWA STATE UNIVERSITY 720425660 (65) (73) =185 Daniel Kinyua, Mike Mwangong, Matt Williams, Chris Francois, Philemon Too, Peter Hess, Abraham Rotich 8. TEXAS A & M 2930354461 (63) (68) =199 Chris Lee, Andrew Cook, Bryan Oubre, Colin Campbell, Kyle Swift, Brandon Beasley, Jayme D'Agnolo 9. TEXAS TECH UNIVERSITY 1938435358 (59) (70) =211 Gezachw Yossef, Scott Moore, Ryan Cruz, Boniface Ndungu, Nick Hulstrom, Joseph McCellon, Dwayne Benoit 10. KANSAS STATE UNIVERSITY 516717475 (77) (80) =241 Shadrack Kimeli, Jean-Paul Niyongabo, Reid Christianson, Istvan Nagy, John Sumner, Keil Regehr, Dieter Myers 11. BAYLOR UNIVERSITY 3339456667 (72) (82) =250 Ferenc Bekesi, Josh Ward, Alex Adler, Matt Chance, Jon Capron, Aaron Ward, Bill Thomas 12. UNIVERSITY OF OKLAHOMA 6469767879 (81) (83) =366 Brandon Kissack, Sam Stalcup, Joey McNair, Jason Brown, Darren Hutchins, Cecil Rose, Jarrod Kelly -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Drugs - part 2
I have recently been told of an experiment of one by a chemist in England (read pharmacist for chemist) who decided to see what Nadrolone would do for his training after reading about all the recent positives. He was a distance runner in his mid-40's having a limit of 40 miles per week in training (above which he began to get stale or injured). He got himself a 12 week dosage (whatever that would be). At the end of the first week he found he could train comfortably at 100 miles per week and over the twelve weeks he was able to average 110 miles per week. He said he never felt tired, he just ran out of time to train. I don't know what his performances did here. I have no idea of what he could run before or after, but I know I would have been faster than 2:09:58 if I never felt wasted from training. I ran best off of 90 miles per week and got stale above 100 miles per week. Moral of the story drugs do help - a lot. -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: "Michael Rohl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: "Michael Rohl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:12:39 - > To: Track Posts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: t-and-f: Drugs - part 2 > > Netters > Now back to the drugs. It is my feeling that IF I took drugs and I > took the right ones correctly here is what would happen. This is > based on what I have read about the drugs themselves and what > others have said they could do. then again I might be way off! > ...
t-and-f: looking for Bill Roe's email address
If any body has Bill Roe's email address, I would be grateful if they could email me with it. -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Geb the master of close calls
I used to out kick miles and 10K guys who moved to the marathon. It is not just about speed when you run that far, it is also durability. Let's see if Geb can run the marathon can run that far without injury before we worry about him changing the nature of the event. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: "alan tobin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: "alan tobin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:34:35 GMT > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: t-and-f: Geb the master of close calls > > Helps to know you can out-kick anyone in the field regardless of pace. > Anyone else know of a guy who has clicked off a :25 last 200 at the end of a > fast 10k? He has milers speed. The marathon might become very scary when he > moves up. Because of the likes of Geb and Terget the 10k has become a > "sprinter's race". Now will the same happen in the marathon? I pray not. >
Re: Does college hurt our marathoners? (Was: Re: t-and-f: IAAFlist of top marathoners)
The Jr. Colleges had a marathon championship for a while. I remember Allegeny (sp?) won the championship in the late 70's. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: William Bahnfleth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: William Bahnfleth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 16:59:47 -0400 > To: Track list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Does college hurt our marathoners? (Was: Re: t-and-f: IAAF list > of top marathoners) > > I have a vague recollection that there was a marathon championship back in > the late 70s or early 80s in one of the smaller college or JUCO > organizations. Maybe I'm just mis-remembering that there were collegiate > team entries in an open championship. Can anybody out there help on this one? >
Re: t-and-f: BIG PR for LIBBIE
Damien, Libbie's coach says she has been training with Jon Sinclair (he is in 15:00 sea-level 5k shape or better) so she is getting help in her workouts. He didn't say much else on the voice mail message Running Stats got. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Anyone know why Libbie got such a big PR? Did she say? > Tom D.
Re: t-and-f: U.S. TV crticism--1976 style
Title: Re: t-and-f: U.S. TV crticism--1976 style That was my memory too but I went to my T&F News from August 1976 and the was the photo I remembered of Roche getting up but no mention of the broken arm. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think Mike broke his arm in that fall. Or is that my mangled memory again? I was standing there watching, I think? Did he? Tom D.
