Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[Dudley Ibbett]

landuse=flowerbed already exists in the wiki.  Personally I would just use this 
but if another tag is to be developed one consideration with regard to using an 
"landuse" tag is, should it be more widely applicable?

"landuse=ornamental_planting" for example with another tag to describe the type 
of plant, i.e. flower, shrub, grass etc. would allow it to be used much more 
widely.

Regards

Dudley 



  

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On Dec 1, 2015, at 5:30 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote:
2015-12-01 9:02 GMT+01:00 John Willis <jo...@mac.com>:
So landuse=ornamental_flowers is the current value I will propose, as it has no 
size connotations

yes, it has no size connotations, but it is about "ornament"? Or am I 
misreading this? 
You keep speaking of "flower fields", so I think this is the tag to go.

well, ornamental flowers are flowers that are for display purposes. Flower 
fields sounds like it is just for flowers in a large field, rather than an area 
of flowers for all sizes. I liked the suggested value of ornamental_flowers.
Do you think there is a need for a landuse=flowerbed and landuse=flower_field? 
I thought landuse=ornamental flowers would cover both quite well. 
thoughts?

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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2015-12-01 8:15 GMT+01:00 Dudley Ibbett :

> In the context you are describing (park, garden) these would be
> "landuse=flowerbed".  There is no size restriction.  I.e. They may look
> like an "open field".  There appears to be a wiki entry for this tag
> already.
>
> If it is farmland being used to grow ornamental flowers for display then
> it would probably be a type of meadow.
>



I would see it as flowerbed if the flowers are set in an ornamental way
(geometrically), but less in case of an "open field" where the borders are
smooth / not distinct.

Cheers,
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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2015-12-01 9:02 GMT+01:00 John Willis :

> So landuse=ornamental_flowers is the current value I will propose, as it
> has no size connotations



yes, it has no size connotations, but it is about "ornament"? Or am I
misreading this?
You keep speaking of "flower fields", so I think this is the tag to go.

Cheers,
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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[John Willis]

> On Dec 1, 2015, at 4:15 PM, Dudley Ibbett  wrote:
> 
> landuse=flowerbed

To me, flowerbed has connotations of a little area beside a house.  

I also think purpose should be there (to avoid the farm/farmyard issue),

So landuse=ornamental_flowers is the current value I will propose, as it has no 
size connotations - but purpose is strictly defined - it is for viewing, not as 
a crop for commercial harvest (sale/food).

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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[johnw]

> On Dec 1, 2015, at 5:30 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 2015-12-01 9:02 GMT+01:00 John Willis >:
> So landuse=ornamental_flowers is the current value I will propose, as it has 
> no size connotations
> 
> 
> yes, it has no size connotations, but it is about "ornament"? Or am I 
> misreading this? 
> You keep speaking of "flower fields", so I think this is the tag to go.

well, ornamental flowers are flowers that are for display purposes. Flower 
fields sounds like it is just for flowers in a large field, rather than an area 
of flowers for all sizes. I liked the suggested value of ornamental_flowers.

Do you think there is a need for a landuse=flowerbed and landuse=flower_field? 
I thought landuse=ornamental flowers would cover both quite well. 

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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[John Willis]

Javbw

> On Nov 30, 2015, at 4:23 PM, Dudley Ibbett  wrote:
> 
> leisure=garden

I am mapping inside gardens/parks, and I have basically all the tags I need - 
walkways, hedges, trees, grass, fountains, walls, steps, greenhouses, drinking 
fountains, toilets, fences, gates - everything - except the the flowers 
themselves. 

Here is the Bara-en flower park I stopped mapping a while ago until I 
understood what do do with the flowers. 

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/36.41943/139.04933

Here is the big flower field (changed 3-4 times a year for different flowers 
for the seasons) in the massive "Hitachi Seaside Park"  look for the peak 
marker. It is the highest point in the city. I ca map the unmanaged woods, the 
scrub, and bits of forest (pine trees), but not the actual attraction (the 
flowers). 

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/36.4005/140.6004

The flowers are often cultivated as open fields for park visitors to see, or as 
small displays for garden visitors. 

Either way, the actual flowered area is not a path nor grass nor scrub an 
amusement park. It is flowers. ^_^ 

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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2015-11-29 22:49 GMT+01:00 John Willis :

> > too specific for landuse
>
> - It is man-altered from natural=* for a specific use (cleared of all
> natural vegetation and planted with a man-chosen display of flowers)
>
> - it is not landuse=farmland
>


+1


- it is not landuse=commercial for selling of the flowers, as they are for
> display,
>


wouldn't that be landuse=retail anyway?



>
> - the flowering plants may be rotated, but the landuse stays the same:
> flower flower flowers!
>


I see it now, you are referencing spots like these:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kokuei+Hitachi+Seaside+Park/@36.4036632,140.5989011,3a,66.8y,58.23h,73.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdFkpXra77eNjJofBUdZ4gQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m2!3m1!1s0x60222e737d51437f:0x369e485be0b9dbf!6m1!1e1
or this: http://hitachikaihin.jp/hana/kochia.html

because you had also posted this one:
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/javbw/11094084766/
and it was this that I had in mind.

For the former, landuse=flower_display sounds ok.
Maybe one might classify it also as "land art"?


Cheers,
Martin





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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[Dudley Ibbett]

In the context you are describing (park, garden) these would be 
"landuse=flowerbed".  There is no size restriction.  I.e. They may look like an 
"open field".  There appears to be a wiki entry for this tag already.

If it is farmland being used to grow ornamental flowers for display then it 
would probably be a type of meadow.  You do get "flower meadows" in the UK but 
they are normally wild flower displays.

Regards

Dudley

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> On 30 Nov 2015, at 21:31, John Willis  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Javbw
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2015, at 4:23 PM, Dudley Ibbett  wrote:
>> 
>> leisure=garden
> 
> I am mapping inside gardens/parks, and I have basically all the tags I need - 
> walkways, hedges, trees, grass, fountains, walls, steps, greenhouses, 
> drinking fountains, toilets, fences, gates - everything - except the the 
> flowers themselves. 
> 
> Here is the Bara-en flower park I stopped mapping a while ago until I 
> understood what do do with the flowers. 
> 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/36.41943/139.04933
> 
> Here is the big flower field (changed 3-4 times a year for different flowers 
> for the seasons) in the massive "Hitachi Seaside Park"  look for the peak 
> marker. It is the highest point in the city. I ca map the unmanaged woods, 
> the scrub, and bits of forest (pine trees), but not the actual attraction 
> (the flowers). 
> 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/36.4005/140.6004
> 
> The flowers are often cultivated as open fields for park visitors to see, or 
> as small displays for garden visitors. 
> 
> Either way, the actual flowered area is not a path nor grass nor scrub an 
> amusement park. It is flowers. ^_^ 
> 
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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[John Willis]

On Nov 30, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:

>> - it is not landuse=commercial for selling of the flowers, as they are for 
>> display,
> 
> 
> wouldn't that be landuse=retail anyway?

Oops - yes, if the land is the place where you choose your product, like a 
pumpkin patch or something. There is a peninsula east of Tokyo, and the main 
loop road around the bottom is the "Boso Flower Line" road, where there are 
lots of flower fields and little shops and stands along the road - the little 
old ladies take a shovel and dig out whatever flower bunch you want out of the 
ground. In the winter (I think), these big "balls" of yellow or white flowers 
that were carefully grown in the fall are dug out and sold in a pot. Some are 
close to 1m across. 

Google Link: 
near Boso Flower Line, Ito, Tateyama-shi, Chiba-ken 294-0314
https://goo.gl/maps/LzNAXPsEVjn

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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[Dudley Ibbett]

In think the word you may be looking for is "ornamental".  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ornamental_plant

Could you use landuse=field?  The wiki suggests it has been abandoned but 
perhaps it should be used in the context.  Presumably you could then add, 
field=ornamental_flowers. 

Regards

Dudley



> From: dieterdre...@gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 14:53:45 +0100
> To: tagging@openstreetmap.org
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> 
> 
> 
> sent from a phone
> 
> > Am 29.11.2015 um 14:02 schrieb John Willis <jo...@mac.com>:
> > 
> > Thinking of creating landuse=flower_display For sections of land that a 
> > cultivated with flowers for decorative/attraction purposes -
> 
> 
> I think that's too specific for landuse. "exhibitional" isn't a proper word I 
> guess, but something like it might be a more generic approach. Still, if 
> there are just some foreign  flowers brought into a natural setting, and 
> without maintenance, I would prefer an attribute approach which doesn't 
> "occupy" the landuse object but can be associated to other features like 
> forests, meadows etc. (this for cases where you are not tagging the 
> individual plant)
> 
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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[John Willis]

> On Nov 30, 2015, at 5:18 AM, Dudley Ibbett  wrote:
> 
> field=ornamental_flowers.

In some cases, they are fields (nemophila, daffodils, lavender). 
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/javbw/11094010745/

In other cases, the long strips of flowers between a maze of walkways (rose 
garden),https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/javbw/11091430663/

 large rows of hedges or individual plants (wisteria and azalea, iris) with 
concrete paths between for wheelchairs. 
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/javbw/11091328063/

All of these places have land used for the display of flowering plants - and 
are usually famous for them. 

Ornamental flowers is a great suggestion, though! 

Landuse=ornamental_flowers

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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[John Willis]

Javbw
> On Nov 29, 2015, at 10:53 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer  
> wrote:
> 
> too specific for landuse

- It is man-altered from natural=* for a specific use (cleared of all natural 
vegetation and planted with a man-chosen display of flowers)

- it is not landuse=farmland
crop=flowers for eating or for resale - it is an an attraction in itself, or 
the flower part of a flower garden. (The giant flower fields in a mixed use 
park, or the large mappable flower areas in a flower park

- it is not landuse=commercial for selling of the flowers, as they are for 
display,

- the flowering plants may be rotated, but the landuse stays the same: flower 
flower flowers!

- The flowers are not a secondary part - a naturally occurring incidental 
display of flowers in a natural=scrub, nor flowers in a barrier=hedge. I assume 
surface=flowers/flowering plants or landcover=flowering plants. 

The reason I bring these up is because I have been trying to map flower parks 
that I visit while taking photos. 

There are easily mappable areas in the parks that are "flowering or colorful 
plants planted and cultivated for display purposes by man to be a tourist 
attraction." They are not scrub, forest, meadows, nor are barrier=hedges, 
though a rose is a good barrier.

Japan:
- Bara-en in Maebashi (giant rose flower park) 
- Ashikaga Flower Park (Famous for wisteria)
- Ota Flower Park
- Yokosuka flower park
- Hitachi Seaside park, where the giant hill covered in rotating flowers is. 
- Tambara Lavender park (seasonal)
- Gunma Flower Park 

California: 
Carlsbad flower Fields
Balboa Park's 2 rose gardens 


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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[Dave Swarthout]

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 5:15 AM, John Willis  wrote:


> Landuse=ornamental_flowers



+1


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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[John Willis]

Looking for further feedback - 

Thinking of creating landuse=flower_display For sections of land that a 
cultivated with flowers for decorative/attraction purposes - not a crop or for 
sale. Flower_field sounds like it could be a tag for a crop, and flower_bed is 
a small (unmappable?) Part part of a persons yard.

Also thinking of creating barrier=planter_box , as it is a common barrier used) 
concrete box (easily mappable) with some plant (hedge/shrub/tree) growing 
inside it. 

It's like a wall and a hedgerow had a baby.  

Looking for feedback on both. 

Javbw. 

Javbw

> On Nov 6, 2015, at 10:09 PM, johnw  wrote:
> 
> Perhaps landuse=flowerbed or landcover=flowers is the best solution.

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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Am 29.11.2015 um 14:02 schrieb John Willis :
> 
> Thinking of creating landuse=flower_display For sections of land that a 
> cultivated with flowers for decorative/attraction purposes -


I think that's too specific for landuse. "exhibitional" isn't a proper word I 
guess, but something like it might be a more generic approach. Still, if there 
are just some foreign  flowers brought into a natural setting, and without 
maintenance, I would prefer an attribute approach which doesn't "occupy" the 
landuse object but can be associated to other features like forests, meadows 
etc. (this for cases where you are not tagging the individual plant)

cheers 
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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[Colin Smale]

 

+1... There are often large, ornamental gardens associated with "stately
homes" (huge residences for aristocracy in the past) which are full of
colourful plants. This sounds very similar, possibly without the
residence. 

//colin 

On 2015-11-30 08:23, Dudley Ibbett wrote: 

> Do you need a landuse tag for the last two as they would be called gardens 
> (in the UK) if people can move round them.  Could you not just use 
> leisure=garden for these?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Dudley 
> 
> On 29 Nov 2015, at 22:16, John Willis  wrote:
> 
> On Nov 30, 2015, at 5:18 AM, Dudley Ibbett  wrote:
> 
> field=ornamental_flowers. 
> In some cases, they are fields (nemophila, daffodils, lavender). 
> https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/javbw/11094010745/
> 
> In other cases, the long strips of flowers between a maze of walkways (rose 
> garden),https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/javbw/11091430663/
> 
> large rows of hedges or individual plants (wisteria and azalea, iris) with 
> concrete paths between for wheelchairs. 
> https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/javbw/11091328063/
> 
> All of these places have land used for the display of flowering plants - and 
> are usually famous for them. 
> 
> Ornamental flowers is a great suggestion, though! 
> 
> Landuse=ornamental_flowers
> 
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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[Dudley Ibbett]

Do you need a landuse tag for the last two as they would be called gardens (in 
the UK) if people can move round them.  Could you not just use leisure=garden 
for these?

Regards

Dudley 

> On 29 Nov 2015, at 22:16, John Willis  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2015, at 5:18 AM, Dudley Ibbett  wrote:
>> 
>> field=ornamental_flowers.
> 
> In some cases, they are fields (nemophila, daffodils, lavender). 
> https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/javbw/11094010745/
> 
> In other cases, the long strips of flowers between a maze of walkways (rose 
> garden),https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/javbw/11091430663/
> 
> large rows of hedges or individual plants (wisteria and azalea, iris) with 
> concrete paths between for wheelchairs. 
> https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/javbw/11091328063/
> 
> All of these places have land used for the display of flowering plants - and 
> are usually famous for them. 
> 
> Ornamental flowers is a great suggestion, though! 
> 
> Landuse=ornamental_flowers
> 
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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[johnw]

Thanks for this information - I live about 1 hour away from Oze but I have not 
visited it yet. And most of the fields in Oze are certainly wetlands of some 
kind. 

I will eventually visit both of the places you mentioned, as everyone likes 
pictures of pretty flowers in the forest. 

Links in Japanese are always fine, as I can always learn something from a link. 

Javbw

> On Nov 4, 2015, at 10:47 PM, tomoya muramoto  wrote:
> 
> For Mizubasho, most famous field is Oze swamp(but sorry I have never been 
> there) due to a famous japanese fork song, you know.
> I remember natural Katakuri flower field at the top of Mt. Tsukuba. They say 
> there are 30 thousand Katakuri flowers in 20,000 m2 area 
> (http://www.ttca.jp/?p=1552 ), they are on the 
> forest floor as you said.
> Actually I don't know they are *natural*, but they say so.
> 
> Maybe you can check a list of Natural monuments designated by Japanese 
> government.
> https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%A4%8D%E7%89%A9%E5%A4%A9%E7%84%B6%E8%A8%98%E5%BF%B5%E7%89%A9%E4%B8%80%E8%A6%A7#.E8.A2.AB.E5.AD.90.E6.A4.8D.E7.89.A9.E3.83.BB.E5.8D.98.E5.AD.90.E8.91.89.E9.A1.9E
>  
> 
>  (sorry it is written in Japanese)

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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[johnw]

> On Nov 4, 2015, at 8:51 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer  
> wrote:
> 
> I think it's not that different to a cutline for instance, which is one of 
> the most used values in man_made

You are right, since it is a place where the land is cleared, a cutline is a 
clearing in the woods. Similar to clearcut too. but both of those are based 
removal of existing natural items - the absence of the original - not the 
growth/presence of new plants.

Many of the “growth of new plants” tags are inside Landuse (forest, meadow, 
farmland, orchard - which are all the more similar to a flowerbed) 

I was thinking natural=flowers because so many of the values are heavily 
altered/managed by man (rivers, streams, scrub, etc), but are still considered 
natural. 

Perhaps landuse=flowerbed or landcover=flowers is the best solution. 

Thoughts?


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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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Am 06.11.2015 um 14:09 schrieb johnw :

>> I think it's not that different to a cutline for instance, which is one of 
>> the most used values in man_made
> 
> You are right, since it is a place where the land is cleared, a cutline is a 
> clearing in the woods. Similar to clearcut too. but both of those are based 
> removal of existing natural items - the absence of the original - not the 
> growth/presence of new plants.


yes, and I was referring to flowerbed, not flowerfield which I'd see slightly 
different (not in man_made)

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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[John Willis]

Here's a picture of some mountain flowers (the tiny pink ones) on 
Kusatsu-shirane, near Kusatsu. They look natural, but they were all planted and 
maintained as a tourist attraction. They were not native to the area. 

https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/javbw/11094084766/

The picture I took is not so good to show the large fields of them, but even 
though the flowers  appear to be in a natural setting, these were planted for 
the express purpose of tourism - visitors to the sulphur crater lakes by 
car/ropeway would have something else pretty to see on a nearby hiking loop 
where there is also a good view. There were a hundred pro photographers there 
on the day I visited (with my photo club), all to see the blooming pink 
flowers. 

Tsukuba is a popular tourist destination (via Ropeway) and it wouldn't surprise 
me to learn that a small patch of flowers has been tended to and artificially 
expanded to be a tourist attraction. 

They always need something pretty for the tourist guide pamphlets! ^^

There is a flower park on the east side of Tsukuba that also needs some flower 
tags. 

フラワーパーク
https://goo.gl/maps/vKTAJ9x5VSF2

These are other cases of places I have visited & mapped where I would like to 
tag the cultivated flowers as some sort of flowerbed or maintained flower field.

Javbw

> On Nov 4, 2015, at 10:47 PM, tomoya muramoto  wrote:
> 
> For Mizubasho, most famous field is Oze swamp(but sorry I have never been 
> there) due to a famous japanese fork song, you know.
> I remember natural Katakuri flower field at the top of Mt. Tsukuba. They say 
> there are 30 thousand Katakuri flowers in 20,000 m2 area 
> (http://www.ttca.jp/?p=1552), they are on the forest floor as you said.
> Actually I don't know they are *natural*, but they say so.
> 
> Maybe you can check a list of Natural monuments designated by Japanese 
> government.
> https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%A4%8D%E7%89%A9%E5%A4%A9%E7%84%B6%E8%A8%98%E5%BF%B5%E7%89%A9%E4%B8%80%E8%A6%A7#.E8.A2.AB.E5.AD.90.E6.A4.8D.E7.89.A9.E3.83.BB.E5.8D.98.E5.AD.90.E8.91.89.E9.A1.9E
>  (sorry it is written in Japanese)
> 
> muramoto
> 
> 
> 
> 2015-11-04 21:47 GMT+09:00 johnw :
>> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2015, at 8:52 PM, tomoya muramoto  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> to a flower field grown naturally (not planted by man). Is it appropriate?
>> 
>> AFAIK that a natural open area of grasses is natural=grassland. 
>> If it is a bit taller stuff, possibly natural=scrub ( like the 1m tall green 
>> plants growing along roads in Japan, for example. 
>> 
>> If it is a field of crops or stuff, like grasses or hay or something, it is 
>> a landuse=meadow. 
>> 
>> Do those flowers grow in such quantity to make a mappable *natural* field? 
>> of all that one kind of flowers?
>> 
>> the Mizubasho looks like it grows when cultivated in a swamp or something 
>> (per google image search).  
>> 
>> I have seen a few growing naturally on Mt Akagi (I think), in streams/places 
>> with water.  
>> 
>> Where are you trying to map them? I’d love to visit a place with big fields 
>> of them growing naturally!
>> 
>> most of the flowers shown here on this page ( I randomly found ) are in 
>> fields that seems to be very man-managed, or possibly fallow farm fields. 
>> 
>> http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/kisono3/colony/colony-e.htm
>> 
>> But some of these would be the flower field tag we are discussing. 
>> 
>> 
>> some of the flowers growing naturally seem to be forest floor coverings.
>> http://previews.123rf.com/images/whitetag/whitetag1310/whitetag131085326/23683697-clumps-of-katakuri.jpg
>> 
>> I have no idea how to tag stuff on the forest or wood floor, which some of 
>> these natural groups seem to be. 
>> 
>> Javbw
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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

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> Am 04.11.2015 um 12:52 schrieb tomoya muramoto :
> 
> I want to use natural=flowerbed (or another tag which will be agreed here) to 
> a flower field grown naturally (not planted by man). Is it appropriate?


to me (non-native) flowerbed doesn't sound right. What about landuse =meadow? 
For the protection property you might have a look at the protected_area tag and 
subtags 

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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

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> Am 04.11.2015 um 11:29 schrieb John Willis :
> 
> But a flower field is not a man_made=* object, in the common OSM usage.


I think it's not that different to a cutline for instance, which is one of the 
most used values in man_made. I don't insist in man_made for a flowerbed but I 
think it does not belong in natural. 

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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[tomoya muramoto]

For Mizubasho, most famous field is Oze swamp(but sorry I have never been
there) due to a famous japanese fork song, you know.
I remember natural Katakuri flower field at the top of Mt. Tsukuba. They
say there are 30 thousand Katakuri flowers in 20,000 m2 area (
http://www.ttca.jp/?p=1552), they are on the forest floor as you said.
Actually I don't know they are *natural*, but they say so.

Maybe you can check a list of Natural monuments designated by Japanese
government.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%A4%8D%E7%89%A9%E5%A4%A9%E7%84%B6%E8%A8%98%E5%BF%B5%E7%89%A9%E4%B8%80%E8%A6%A7#.E8.A2.AB.E5.AD.90.E6.A4.8D.E7.89.A9.E3.83.BB.E5.8D.98.E5.AD.90.E8.91.89.E9.A1.9E
(sorry it is written in Japanese)

muramoto



2015-11-04 21:47 GMT+09:00 johnw :

>
> On Nov 4, 2015, at 8:52 PM, tomoya muramoto 
> wrote:
>
> to a flower field grown naturally (not planted by man). Is it appropriate?
>
>
> AFAIK that a natural open area of grasses is natural=grassland.
> If it is a bit taller stuff, possibly natural=scrub ( like the 1m tall
> green plants growing along roads in Japan, for example.
>
> If it is a field of crops or stuff, like grasses or hay or something, it
> is a landuse=meadow.
>
> Do those flowers grow in such quantity to make a mappable *natural* field?
> of all that one kind of flowers?
>
> the Mizubasho looks like it grows when cultivated in a swamp or something
> (per google image search).
>
> I have seen a few growing naturally on Mt Akagi (I think), in
> streams/places with water.
>
> Where are you trying to map them? I’d love to visit a place with big
> fields of them growing naturally!
>
> most of the flowers shown here on this page ( I randomly found ) are in
> fields that seems to be very man-managed, or possibly fallow farm fields.
>
> http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/kisono3/colony/colony-e.htm
>
> But some of these would be the flower field tag we are discussing.
>
>
> some of the flowers growing naturally seem to be forest floor coverings.
>
> http://previews.123rf.com/images/whitetag/whitetag1310/whitetag131085326/23683697-clumps-of-katakuri.jpg
>
> I have no idea how to tag stuff on the forest or wood floor, which some of
> these natural groups seem to be.
>
> Javbw
>
>
>
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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[tomoya muramoto]

Thanks.

landuse=meadow looks fine to me. I will add meadow=perpetual and
taxon/genus/species=* to that natural flower fields.

muramoto

2015-11-04 21:03 GMT+09:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> > Am 04.11.2015 um 12:52 schrieb tomoya muramoto  >:
> >
> > I want to use natural=flowerbed (or another tag which will be agreed
> here) to a flower field grown naturally (not planted by man). Is it
> appropriate?
>
>
> to me (non-native) flowerbed doesn't sound right. What about landuse
> =meadow? For the protection property you might have a look at the
> protected_area tag and subtags
>
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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[johnw]

> On Nov 4, 2015, at 8:52 PM, tomoya muramoto  wrote:
> 
> to a flower field grown naturally (not planted by man). Is it appropriate?

AFAIK that a natural open area of grasses is natural=grassland. 
If it is a bit taller stuff, possibly natural=scrub ( like the 1m tall green 
plants growing along roads in Japan, for example. 

If it is a field of crops or stuff, like grasses or hay or something, it is a 
landuse=meadow. 

Do those flowers grow in such quantity to make a mappable *natural* field? of 
all that one kind of flowers?

the Mizubasho looks like it grows when cultivated in a swamp or something (per 
google image search).  

I have seen a few growing naturally on Mt Akagi (I think), in streams/places 
with water.  

Where are you trying to map them? I’d love to visit a place with big fields of 
them growing naturally!

most of the flowers shown here on this page ( I randomly found ) are in fields 
that seems to be very man-managed, or possibly fallow farm fields. 

http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/kisono3/colony/colony-e.htm 


But some of these would be the flower field tag we are discussing. 


some of the flowers growing naturally seem to be forest floor coverings.
http://previews.123rf.com/images/whitetag/whitetag1310/whitetag131085326/23683697-clumps-of-katakuri.jpg
 


I have no idea how to tag stuff on the forest or wood floor, which some of 
these natural groups seem to be. 

Javbw








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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2015-11-04 8:24 GMT+01:00 johnw :

> On Nov 4, 2015, at 5:27 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer 
> wrote:
>
> there's a difference: flowerbed is the place inside which the flowers are
> put, tree is the plant itself
>
>
>
> I think you are thinking of a flower box.
>


no



> googling flowerbed leads to a small area of ground where flowers are
> planted - a patch of ground, but not an object.
>


everything's an object ;-) (if you want/need to)

A city is also a "patch of ground" ;-)

I think of a flowerbed as a "thing", a place where flowers are arranged
(regardless of physical articulation, perimeters, boxes etc.), not about
the flowers themselves, these would be flowers [in a flowerbed]

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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

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Javbw

> On Nov 4, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer  
> wrote:
> 
> everything's an object ;-) (if you want/need to)

In a general sense, everything is a node, way or area object, yea.

But a flower field is not a man_made=* object, in the common OSM usage. 

It's not "man_made=forest" because it is not a man-constructed structure. 
Cultivated, yea, but it's not something made out of steel or cinderblocks. 

And um, a flower box does't describe the flower field at all. I don't think the 
boxes are even mappable in OSM due to their impermanent and portable nature 
when not nailed on a house window.

Perhaps planter boxes (their bigger cousins) are, as many of them are permanent 
or semi-permanent - but not dedicated to "flowers". 

A flowerbed is much closer, and good enough to tag a contiguous field of 
cultivated flowers for display purposes.

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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[tomoya muramoto]

landuse=flowerbed is proposed here.(
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/flowerbed)
I think this tag is suitable to map flower beds in a park or a garden as
written in proposal document.

muramoto

2015-11-03 21:22 GMT+09:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :

>
> 2015-11-03 11:08 GMT+01:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:
>
>> But John said "The blue flowers in the google street view above will be
>> removed and other flowers planted to grow for the next season. "
>>
>>
>> So it is 'man made'.
>>
>>
>>
>
> actually there is a tag that might be suitable for similar features:
> man_made=flower_bed
> There are not so many instances so far:
> http://taginfo.osm.org/tags/man_made=flower_bed
>
> In the case of very big / standalone installations  I'd also tend to
> leisure=garden, while there could still be some individual flower beds
> tagged within.
>
>
>
>> I too would tag leisure=garden .. if you want you could add sub tags ...
>> garden=decorative_flowers?
>>
>>
>>
>
> there are the documented subtags
> garden:style
> and
> garden:type
> for subtagging gardens.
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Garden_specification
>
> For more specific descriptions, there are also the tags species / taxon
> and maybe landcover.
>
>
>> As for the attractive feature ... tag  tourism=attraction ?
>>
>
> this is kind of a qualifier (IMHO it says that a feature is more important
> than what you might know by looking at the other tags), but it doesn't
> characterize or describe the object.
>
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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> Am 03.11.2015 um 13:52 schrieb tomoya muramoto :
> 
> landuse=flowerbed is proposed 
> here.(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/flowerbed)
> I think this tag is suitable to map flower beds in a park or a garden as 
> written in proposal document.


I don't think that flowerbed fits well into the other, established landuse 
values. Flowerbeds are features that typically will occur within some other 
landuse, not constitute a landuse of its own


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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

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> On Nov 3, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Gerd Petermann  
> wrote:
> 
> I would use leisure=garden, but I assume I must be missing something as you 
> didn't pick this (obvious) tag. Can you explain why you don't want to 
> use/think abotu/like  this tag ?
> The wiki page [1] starts with "A garden is a distinguishable planned space, 
> usually outdoors, set aside for the display, cultivation, and enjoyment of 
> plants and other forms of nature. " This seems like a good match to me.


> On Nov 3, 2015, at 7:08 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I too would tag leisure=garden .. if you want you could add sub tags ... 
> garden=decorative_flowers? 


From reading the description - yes the whole thing is a “garden” - because it 
is cultivated and prepared for enjoyment. I’ll agree to that. maybe a 
garden=flower_field is a good subtag for the whole thing. 

But just as hedge, grass, or tree is part of a larger park or garden, so are 
these individual fields part of the larger spectacle (the hill set is a named 
thing in the park). There are several sections of fields I would like to tag 
individually and name the whole hill set a garden. Just having the garden tag 
gives no indication that it is a flower field spectacle.  a field I want to tag:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/javbw/11094091376/in/album-72157638113676925/ 
 

A farm may have several fields of farmland that make up the whole farm, and 
here there are several fields that make up this big spectacle that can be 
called a garden. 

There are several other types of plant based tourist attractions that are 
man-made, but are a part of a larger thing. They are tourist attractions, some 
stand alone, like the flower fields in Carlsbad (planted for decoration, 
usually visible from the freeway meant to invoke holland), or rice art here in 
Asia, and some are smaller parts of larger facilities (these fields, or 
individual fields in a large flower field garden). 

Ikaho Iris Garden 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/javbw/11091328063/in/album-72157638113676925/ 
 

The facility https://goo.gl/maps/1ckmurkbTb32 
 

The carlsbad flower fields, described as a garden:
https://goo.gl/maps/UxtBUSKt36u 


They sell flowers in their garden center, they have a parking lot and shop, a 
snack stand and walking paths & access roads. That entire thing is the “garden” 
- how do I tag the individual fields? 

here is a news story on the fields planted every year to make an image as a 
tourist attraction in Japan. This one is a permanent attraction (the art is 
there every year. 

http://en.rocketnews24.com/2014/07/18/tiny-town-in-northern-japan-creates-gorgeous-gigantic-artwork-out-of-rice-paddies-【video】/
** Link includes this whitespace & slash ** 


> On Nov 3, 2015, at 2:23 PM, Dave Swarthout  wrote:
> 
> Thailand has sunflower fields - actually a Japanese variety if I recall 
> correctly.

You reminded me that every September, my city has a horseback archery 
competition at a special spot near a park. The backdrop is fields of sunflowers 
they grow for people to take pictures in. They put a little raised platform up 
for viewing, and have a little festival for the flower viewing. In this case, 
it is not a farm field, but something greater. 


The fields themselves are a thing.  I want to tag that thing. it is not a crop. 
And then I want to tag many of them inside a larger thing called a park/garden. 

we have a method to tag trees or groups of trees in a park that are grown for 
artistic purposes (not food):

(winter sakura in Sakurayama Park) 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/javbw/11091195995/in/album-72157638113676925/ 
 

but not for non-tree non-hege “man-made” things AFAIK

The Hitachinaka park has other fields of 50,000 daffodils that bloom in the 
spring - I want to say “this area is the actual field that is full of flowers / 
decorative plants grown for artistic/asthetic purposes” that is inside a larger 
garden/park. 

If I was tagging the large fields in a garden, it would end up with gardens 
nested inside gardens. These aren’t crop fields (well the rice is, but the art 
isn’t), and not hedges, nor orchards, so is there some kind of tag for a field 
that is man-made that is full of flowers as an artistic/natural spectacle? If 
not, I would like suggestions on what to create/tag it as such.  

Just having landcover=flowers might do the trick. it would work well to fill in 
all kinds of places where flowers are usually kept (like at the Rose park I 
stopped tagging after running into this issue last year) 

Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2015-11-03 11:08 GMT+01:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:

> But John said "The blue flowers in the google street view above will be
> removed and other flowers planted to grow for the next season. "
>
>
> So it is 'man made'.
>
>
>

actually there is a tag that might be suitable for similar features:
man_made=flower_bed
There are not so many instances so far:
http://taginfo.osm.org/tags/man_made=flower_bed

In the case of very big / standalone installations  I'd also tend to
leisure=garden, while there could still be some individual flower beds
tagged within.



> I too would tag leisure=garden .. if you want you could add sub tags ...
> garden=decorative_flowers?
>
>
>

there are the documented subtags
garden:style
and
garden:type
for subtagging gardens.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Garden_specification

For more specific descriptions, there are also the tags species / taxon and
maybe landcover.


> As for the attractive feature ... tag  tourism=attraction ?
>

this is kind of a qualifier (IMHO it says that a feature is more important
than what you might know by looking at the other tags), but it doesn't
characterize or describe the object.

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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[Warin]

On 3/11/2015 6:22 PM, Gerd Petermann wrote:


My understanding was that John wants to point out that this part

of the nature is very beautiful at a certain time and

without the "help" of humans.



But John said "The blue flowers in the google street view above will be 
removed and other flowers planted to grow for the next season. "



So it is 'man made'.


I too would tag leisure=garden .. if you want you could add sub tags ... 
garden=decorative_flowers?



As for the attractive feature ... tag  tourism=attraction ?



A garden seems to imply that it is man_made.


Gerd




*Von:* Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com>
*Gesendet:* Dienstag, 3. November 2015 08:03
*An:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
*Betreff:* Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)
John,

I would use leisure=garden, but I assume I must be missing something 
as you didn't pick this (obvious) tag. Can you explain why you don't 
want to use/think abotu/like  this tag ?
The wiki page [1] starts with "A garden is a distinguishable planned 
space, usually outdoors, set aside for the display, cultivation, and 
enjoyment of plants and other forms of nature. " This seems like a 
good match to me.


regards

m

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dgarden
<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dgarden>

Tag:leisure=garden - OpenStreetMap Wiki
Description See garden on Wikipedia. A garden is a distinguishable 
planned space, usually outdoors, set aside for the display, 
cultivation, and enjoyment of plants ...
Weitere Informationen... 
<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dgarden>




On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 3:36 AM, johnw <jo...@mac.com 
<mailto:jo...@mac.com>> wrote:


I assume there are many around the world, But I am trying to tag a
group of flower fields that are used year round to create a
decoration by growing vast fields of a single type of flower. 
They are not harvested or sold, they are there merely for the

visitors of a very large 3sq KM mixed-use park to see large fields
of pretty flowers growing over a small set of hills near the seaside.

https://www.google.com/maps /place/〒312-0012+茨城県ひたちなか市馬
渡+大字馬渡大沼

605−4+Kokuei+Hitachi+Seaside+Park/@36.403663,140.598901,3a,66.8y,58.23h,73.42t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sdFkpXra77eNjJofBUdZ4gQ!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x60222e737d51437f:0x369e485be0b9dbf

<https://www.google.com/maps/place/%E3%80%92312-0012+%E8%8C%A8%E5%9F%8E%E7%9C%8C%E3%81%B2%E3%81%9F%E3%81%A1%E3%81%AA%E3%81%8B%E5%B8%82%E9%A6%AC%E6%B8%A1+%E5%A4%A7%E5%AD%97%E9%A6%AC%E6%B8%A1%E5%A4%A7%E6%B2%BC605%E2%88%924+Kokuei+Hitachi+Seaside+Park/@36.403663,140.598901,3a,66.8y,58.23h,73.42t/data=%213m4%211e1%213m2%211sdFkpXra77eNjJofBUdZ4gQ%212e0%214m2%213m1%211s0x60222e737d51437f:0x369e485be0b9dbf>

it is bigger than it looks int he picturees. This isn’t farmland,
nor is it a (normal) garden or a grazing meadow. is there some tag
or sub-tag for decorative flower fields?

The blue flowers in the google street view above will be removed
and other flowers planted to grow for the next season.

The hill looked like this last week.
http://hitachikaihin.jp/hana/kochia.html, with cosmos too
http://hitachikaihin.jp/hana/cosmos.html


is there some gardenish tag for these fields?


Javbw

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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[Marc Gemis]

During the past year, I mapped a rose garden. I made a umap [1] for it,
explaining my tagging. I used landuse=flowerbed as that was the only
documented one that I could find. This area will have a significant impact
on the usage numbers for that tag. I'm willing to change it to something
else/better.

I don't like the man_made=flowerbed. I prefer natural=flowerbed, just as we
do with tree_row, tree and natural=water,water=pond. All of these are
shaped/planted by humans, but use natural organisms.

For me man_made should be used when materials such as concrete, iron,
bricks, plastics (processed materials ?) are used.

regards


m

[1]
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/rozentuin-rose-garden-vrijbroekpark_21719#17/51.02054/4.46320

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer 
wrote:

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> Am 03.11.2015 um 13:52 schrieb tomoya muramoto :
>
> landuse=flowerbed is proposed here.(
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/flowerbed)
> I think this tag is suitable to map flower beds in a park or a garden as
> written in proposal document.
>
>
>
> I don't think that flowerbed fits well into the other, established landuse
> values. Flowerbeds are features that typically will occur within some other
> landuse, not constitute a landuse of its own
>
>
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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

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> Am 03.11.2015 um 20:09 schrieb Marc Gemis :
> 
> I don't like the man_made=flowerbed. I prefer natural=flowerbed, just as we 
> do with tree_row, tree


there's a difference: flowerbed is the place inside which the flowers are put, 
tree is the plant itself 


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[johnw]

> On Nov 4, 2015, at 5:27 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer  
> wrote:
> 
> there's a difference: flowerbed is the place inside which the flowers are 
> put, tree is the plant itself 


I think you are thinking of a flower box.

googling flowerbed leads to a small area of ground where flowers are planted - 
a patch of ground, but not an object.
http://www.gardeningknowhow.com/special/starting/how-to-build-a-flower-bed-starting-a-flower-bed-from-scratch.htm
 


A flower box is usually small and (IMO) unmappable. they are usually either 
part of a building’s decoration (suspended on the building itself)  or small 
plastic/wood things that are placed on the ground and are very portable. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Humboldt_Park_flower_box_and_park.jpg 


Planter boxes are (semi) permanent and (IMO) are maapable, especially when used 
as bollards or barriers. they might have hedges or trees in them as well. 

I think these are a common sight in many countries (either portalble or built 
into the sidewalk/landscaping). 

http://www.stonewear.com/products/barriers/ 
  

we might want to make a barrier=* value for this, and can render the same as 
barrier=hedge. 

Natural=flowerbed seems to be a solution for this problem. I wonder how many 
places have such a large area for flowers… I guess most a much smaller and 
easily fit into natural=flowerbed. we can attach all the species= or whatever 
to it. 

The natural=flowerbed is a good distinction between decorative flowers and 
crop=flowers or whatever that is for commercial flower production. 


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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[Marc Gemis]

John,

I would use leisure=garden, but I assume I must be missing something as you
didn't pick this (obvious) tag. Can you explain why you don't want to
use/think abotu/like  this tag ?
The wiki page [1] starts with "A garden is a distinguishable planned space,
usually outdoors, set aside for the display, cultivation, and enjoyment of
plants and other forms of nature. " This seems like a good match to me.

regards

m

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dgarden


On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 3:36 AM, johnw  wrote:

> I assume there are many around the world, But I am trying to tag a group
> of flower fields that are used year round to create a decoration by growing
> vast fields of a single type of flower.  They are not harvested or sold,
> they are there merely for the visitors of a very large 3sq KM mixed-use
> park to see large fields of pretty flowers growing over a small set of
> hills near the seaside.
>
>
> https://www.google.com/maps/place/〒312-0012+茨城県ひたちなか市馬渡+大字馬渡大沼605−4+Kokuei+Hitachi+Seaside+Park/@36.403663,140.598901,3a,66.8y,58.23h,73.42t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sdFkpXra77eNjJofBUdZ4gQ!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x60222e737d51437f:0x369e485be0b9dbf
>
> it is bigger than it looks int he picturees. This isn’t farmland, nor is
> it a (normal) garden or a grazing meadow. is there some tag or sub-tag for
> decorative flower fields?
>
> The blue flowers in the google street view above will be removed and other
> flowers planted to grow for the next season.
>
> The hill looked like this last week.
> http://hitachikaihin.jp/hana/kochia.html, with cosmos too
> http://hitachikaihin.jp/hana/cosmos.html
>
>
> is there some gardenish tag for these fields?
>
>
> Javbw
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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[Gerd Petermann]

My understanding was that John wants to point out that this part

of the nature is very beautiful at a certain time and

without the "help" of humans.

A garden seems to imply that it is man_made.


Gerd



Von: Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com>
Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. November 2015 08:03
An: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
Betreff: Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

John,

I would use leisure=garden, but I assume I must be missing something as you 
didn't pick this (obvious) tag. Can you explain why you don't want to use/think 
abotu/like  this tag ?
The wiki page [1] starts with "A garden is a distinguishable planned space, 
usually outdoors, set aside for the display, cultivation, and enjoyment of 
plants and other forms of nature. " This seems like a good match to me.

regards

m

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dgarden
[http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/thumb/9/9a/SF_Japanese_Garden.JPG/200px-SF_Japanese_Garden.JPG]<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dgarden>

Tag:leisure=garden - OpenStreetMap Wiki
Description See garden on Wikipedia. A garden is a distinguishable planned 
space, usually outdoors, set aside for the display, cultivation, and enjoyment 
of plants ...
Weitere 
Informationen...<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dgarden>



On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 3:36 AM, johnw <jo...@mac.com<mailto:jo...@mac.com>> 
wrote:
I assume there are many around the world, But I am trying to tag a group of 
flower fields that are used year round to create a decoration by growing vast 
fields of a single type of flower.  They are not harvested or sold, they are 
there merely for the visitors of a very large 3sq KM mixed-use park to see 
large fields of pretty flowers growing over a small set of hills near the 
seaside.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/?312-0012+???+??605?4+Kokuei+Hitachi+Seaside+Park/@36.403663,140.598901,3a,66.8y,58.23h,73.42t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sdFkpXra77eNjJofBUdZ4gQ!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x60222e737d51437f:0x369e485be0b9dbf

it is bigger than it looks int he picturees. This isn't farmland, nor is it a 
(normal) garden or a grazing meadow. is there some tag or sub-tag for 
decorative flower fields?

The blue flowers in the google street view above will be removed and other 
flowers planted to grow for the next season.

The hill looked like this last week. http://hitachikaihin.jp/hana/kochia.html, 
with cosmos too http://hitachikaihin.jp/hana/cosmos.html


is there some gardenish tag for these fields?


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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[Dave Swarthout]

Thailand has sunflower fields - actually a Japanese variety if I recall
correctly.

https://www.google.com/search?q=sunflowers+mae+hong+son

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 9:36 AM, johnw  wrote:

> I assume there are many around the world, But I am trying to tag a group
> of flower fields that are used year round to create a decoration by growing
> vast fields of a single type of flower.  They are not harvested or sold,
> they are there merely for the visitors of a very large 3sq KM mixed-use
> park to see large fields of pretty flowers growing over a small set of
> hills near the seaside.
>
>
> https://www.google.com/maps/place/〒312-0012+茨城県ひたちなか市馬渡+大字馬渡大沼605−4+Kokuei+Hitachi+Seaside+Park/@36.403663,140.598901,3a,66.8y,58.23h,73.42t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sdFkpXra77eNjJofBUdZ4gQ!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x60222e737d51437f:0x369e485be0b9dbf
>
> it is bigger than it looks int he picturees. This isn’t farmland, nor is
> it a (normal) garden or a grazing meadow. is there some tag or sub-tag for
> decorative flower fields?
>
> The blue flowers in the google street view above will be removed and other
> flowers planted to grow for the next season.
>
> The hill looked like this last week.
> http://hitachikaihin.jp/hana/kochia.html, with cosmos too
> http://hitachikaihin.jp/hana/cosmos.html
>
>
> is there some gardenish tag for these fields?
>
>
> Javbw
>
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Chiang Mai, Thailand
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[Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[johnw]

I assume there are many around the world, But I am trying to tag a group of 
flower fields that are used year round to create a decoration by growing vast 
fields of a single type of flower.  They are not harvested or sold, they are 
there merely for the visitors of a very large 3sq KM mixed-use park to see 
large fields of pretty flowers growing over a small set of hills near the 
seaside.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/〒312-0012+茨城県ひたちなか市馬渡+大字馬渡大沼605−4+Kokuei+Hitachi+Seaside+Park/@36.403663,140.598901,3a,66.8y,58.23h,73.42t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sdFkpXra77eNjJofBUdZ4gQ!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x60222e737d51437f:0x369e485be0b9dbf

it is bigger than it looks int he picturees. This isn’t farmland, nor is it a 
(normal) garden or a grazing meadow. is there some tag or sub-tag for 
decorative flower fields?

The blue flowers in the google street view above will be removed and other 
flowers planted to grow for the next season. 

The hill looked like this last week. http://hitachikaihin.jp/hana/kochia.html 
, with cosmos too 
http://hitachikaihin.jp/hana/cosmos.html 
 


is there some gardenish tag for these fields?


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