Re: [Tagging] works_as_highway=primary
sent from a phone Am 01.08.2015 um 23:18 schrieb John Eldredge jfeldre...@gmail.com: It makes sense to me to go more by physical attributes than the official primary/secondary/tertiary rating I don't understand why we are having this same discussion every 2 years. Please read the wiki for the outcome of past discussions. cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] works_as_highway=primary
It makes sense to me to go more by physical attributes than the official primary/secondary/tertiary rating. Among other reasons, medium-term conditions such as construction projects may mean that the quickest route from point A to point B involves the use of a lower-rated roadway to bypass a choke point. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. -- Martin Luther King, Jr. On July 29, 2015 8:24:23 AM Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: A better router might weight physical attributes such as lanes, surface and effective speed more prominently than heuristics based on logical stuff like administrative classifications and legal maximum speeds. Artificially manipulating the tagging to influence the results of routing algorithms is not the way to go - there is name for that... If the government say its primary, then it's primary, unless you want to replace that with subjective assessments. On 29 July 2015 15:08:33 CEST, Andrew Guertin andrew.guer...@uvm.edu wrote: On 07/29/2015 07:11 AM, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: Routers can already use 'prefer primary to secondary' worldwide. Nowhere in the OSM world is secondary defined as better than primary. In any given area. a car router can confidently prefer 'primary'. Based on what John Willis has said about tagging in Japan, I don't think this is true. From what I understand from his previous posts to this and other OSM mailing lists, the OSM tagging in Japan follows the official classification, and often results in small windy roads through cities that are historically important being marked as primary, while modern bypass roads are marked as secondary or even lower. I think that this breaks a router's idea that primary is better than secondary, and I think that this problem is exactly why people advocate for not following official classification. --Andrew ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] works_as_highway=primary
W dniu 29.07.2015 17:01, Martin Koppenhoefer napisał(a): This is admittedly only the German situation but my guess is that many other countries operate in a similar way (i.e. do have more complex road classes internally than what is visible from signposted ref). We have similar discussion about class of roads in Poland (this part is in English, because the guest user joined): http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=519584#p519584 I was also asking few days ago about internal classification in different countries, because the proposed scheme for Poland was: highway:class:pl=S/A/GP/G highway:category:pl=2/4/6/7 (the number is the same as the corresponding admin_level) [ https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2015-July/025649.html ] I am interested in rendering road (and railway) networks on the world level for default OSM map style. Currently it's probably not possible, but I guess what users expect is to see the - more or less - regular network for all the countries and regions, regardless of technical/local highway class or category changes. Any gap there mean we're drifting away from the functional model, which is needed there instead of purely technical one. But maybe if we have the local technical classifications tagged, we could use global classes for such a functional view? Or maybe there is another approach to show such coherent transport networks? -- The train is always on time / The trick is to be ready to put your bags down [A. Cohen] ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] works_as_highway=primary
sent from a phone Am 29.07.2015 um 18:37 schrieb Daniel Koć daniel@koć.pl: highway:class:pl=S/A/GP/G highway:category:pl=2/4/6/7 (the number is the same as the corresponding admin_level) category and class are very generic terms, if you can specify more precisely the kind of class/category it would be better, e.g. maintenance_level=2/4/6/7 or highway:admin_level=2/4/6/7 (no pl / Polish language tag needed there IMHO). In the first example the pl should be PL (Poland, not Polish). cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] works_as_highway=primary
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 5:29 PM, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: I was arguing against a worldwide unified classification. What you're worried about is only local classification : A router won't care about classification differences between far away places like Germany to Ethiopia. They just care about taking the best road in the area, and as long as OSM is locally consistent, this works. Even if a trunk turns into a primary for no physical reason and Seems like I didn't make my point correctly. I was trying to ask for global consistency so the router can use the same default weights for street types, everywhere in the world. Something like 'prefer primary roads over secondary' roads to travel large distances. Of course more detailed mapping of maxspeeds, number of lanes or street width, etc similar results can be achieved, will give better results than the default values a router assume for a certain highway class. I'll agree with you that that additional tags such as works_as_highway=primary will not be taken up by the data consumers (renderers/routers any time soon and would rather not introduce them. regards m ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] works_as_highway=primary
On 29/07/2015, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 5:29 PM, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: A router won't care about classification differences between far away places like Germany to Ethiopia. They just care about taking the best road in the area, and as long as OSM is locally consistent, this works. Even if a trunk turns into a primary for no physical reason and Seems like I didn't make my point correctly. I was trying to ask for global consistency so the router can use the same default weights for street types, everywhere in the world. Something like 'prefer primary roads over secondary' roads to travel large distances. Routers can already use 'prefer primary to secondary' worldwide. Nowhere in the OSM world is secondary defined as better than primary. In any given area. a car router can confidently prefer 'primary'. What's true is that 'primary is X times better than secondary' will have different X values from one place to the next. But the differences between section of a given road can already be more important than the average difference between primary and secondary (for example an Irish secondary´s maxspeed can go from 60 to 100, but a primary isn´t generally 1.6x better than a secondary). Consider also the case of motorways : in all countries I've driven in they are very clearly defined and have legal specificities. OSM couldn't afford to mistake a motoway with something else. Yet the difference between a motorway and the next best thing is bigger in Germany than in Ireland. TD;DR: It's naive to think that routers can make a good decision using the highway tag alone. Harmonising highway tag worldwide would be of little use, and it would break local expectations. A locally coherent highway tag is preferable, and if you want more precise routing add the other tags. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] works_as_highway=primary
Hi Pavel, First let me say that I am totally against the idea of “silly tags” such as works_as_highway=primary. This just indicates a lack of understanding of the real situation. I have looked at your problem and understand what you are seeing. I will give you examples in the Czech Republic as that appears to be the area of concern. My case example is the D1 from Praha all the way to the border with Poland. http://www.rsd.cz/rsd/rsd.nsf/0/80345976071FCBACC12575CF004E133E/$file/RSD2009cz.pdf (Page 23) You will see that the D1 is incomplete from before Prerov to Ostrava. The cross-border European road network (E462) has chosen the D1 onto R46 onto R35 then back onto D1 as their choice of Primary Route. http://www.rsd.cz/rsd/rsd.nsf/0/80345976071FCBACC12575CF004E133E/$file/RSD2009en.pdf (Page 7) which shows that a Primary route does not necessarily mean it follows the route numbering of a country. You can also see from here that the Primary route bypasses Brno to the south and does not actually go through Brno and many countries countries have adopted this routing to avoid congestion and thus delays along their primary routes so Primary routes do not always take you into your destination city, town, village or hamlet. Where a Primary route is “incomplete” it does not mean that the road just drops off into a deep hole. The lesser roads are the Primary route and were the Primary route before the new planned routes came into existence ... irrespective of the alpha-numeric numbers allocated to them now just because they are not motorways or dual carriageways. So you are dealing with a multi-layered numbering system with EU on top of National on top of Local. The OSM classification irons out all those inconsistencies into a single understandable continuity and should show a continuous primary route along a route that changes from an international to a National to a Local or dual carriageway to two way hard top to a two way unsurfaced and in some countries down to a single lane unsurfaced road. It would be impossible to render all roads according to their National numbering, type of road and state of surface but we can tag them accordingly. From: Pavel Zbytovský Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 10:02 AM To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Tagging] works_as_highway=primary Hi, we have a following issue at mapy.cz (zooms cca 13 are OSM data). We try to render primary road overview in Czech republic, so the drivers could easily see where its possible to drive. But sometimes the primary road ends and continues as a secondary road - it could be in cites, or possibly temporary detour. (see links below) Is there any recommended solution already availible? Otherwise we have two solutions to discuss. 1) technically the small secondary roads part works as primary road network. So we would suggest a tag similar to works_as_highway=primary. Do you think its ok? Any suggestions? 2) less preferable solution would be to add render specific tag. Something like low_zoom_as_higway=primary. Thanks for reply, Pavel Zbytovský [1] http://www.mapy.cz/s/hf6Y http://www.osm.org/way/27074773 [2] http://www.mapy.cz/s/k35L http://www.osm.org/way/49798938 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] works_as_highway=primary
What I try to say is that you should not map a important road for large distances as secondary + works_as_primary just because it is a smaller, has a different surface, a different ref or whatever. Then (large distance, important road) it is a primary road IMHO, regardless of any other tags. If one downgrades such a road to secondary, the router can no longer prefer it over other (real secondary) roads. (as you wrote) Perhaps Ralph Aytoun expressed it better. But I tried to say the same as he. Of course we shouldn't tag secondary or primary roads as trunk road or motorways, but secondary primary roads should only be tagged based on their function, not on their appearance. regards m On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 1:11 PM, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: On 29/07/2015, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 5:29 PM, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: A router won't care about classification differences between far away places like Germany to Ethiopia. They just care about taking the best road in the area, and as long as OSM is locally consistent, this works. Even if a trunk turns into a primary for no physical reason and Seems like I didn't make my point correctly. I was trying to ask for global consistency so the router can use the same default weights for street types, everywhere in the world. Something like 'prefer primary roads over secondary' roads to travel large distances. Routers can already use 'prefer primary to secondary' worldwide. Nowhere in the OSM world is secondary defined as better than primary. In any given area. a car router can confidently prefer 'primary'. What's true is that 'primary is X times better than secondary' will have different X values from one place to the next. But the differences between section of a given road can already be more important than the average difference between primary and secondary (for example an Irish secondary´s maxspeed can go from 60 to 100, but a primary isn´t generally 1.6x better than a secondary). Consider also the case of motorways : in all countries I've driven in they are very clearly defined and have legal specificities. OSM couldn't afford to mistake a motoway with something else. Yet the difference between a motorway and the next best thing is bigger in Germany than in Ireland. TD;DR: It's naive to think that routers can make a good decision using the highway tag alone. Harmonising highway tag worldwide would be of little use, and it would break local expectations. A locally coherent highway tag is preferable, and if you want more precise routing add the other tags. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] works_as_highway=primary
On 07/29/2015 07:11 AM, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: Routers can already use 'prefer primary to secondary' worldwide. Nowhere in the OSM world is secondary defined as better than primary. In any given area. a car router can confidently prefer 'primary'. Based on what John Willis has said about tagging in Japan, I don't think this is true. From what I understand from his previous posts to this and other OSM mailing lists, the OSM tagging in Japan follows the official classification, and often results in small windy roads through cities that are historically important being marked as primary, while modern bypass roads are marked as secondary or even lower. I think that this breaks a router's idea that primary is better than secondary, and I think that this problem is exactly why people advocate for not following official classification. --Andrew ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] works_as_highway=primary
A better router might weight physical attributes such as lanes, surface and effective speed more prominently than heuristics based on logical stuff like administrative classifications and legal maximum speeds. Artificially manipulating the tagging to influence the results of routing algorithms is not the way to go - there is name for that... If the government say its primary, then it's primary, unless you want to replace that with subjective assessments. On 29 July 2015 15:08:33 CEST, Andrew Guertin andrew.guer...@uvm.edu wrote: On 07/29/2015 07:11 AM, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: Routers can already use 'prefer primary to secondary' worldwide. Nowhere in the OSM world is secondary defined as better than primary. In any given area. a car router can confidently prefer 'primary'. Based on what John Willis has said about tagging in Japan, I don't think this is true. From what I understand from his previous posts to this and other OSM mailing lists, the OSM tagging in Japan follows the official classification, and often results in small windy roads through cities that are historically important being marked as primary, while modern bypass roads are marked as secondary or even lower. I think that this breaks a router's idea that primary is better than secondary, and I think that this problem is exactly why people advocate for not following official classification. --Andrew ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] works_as_highway=primary
sent from a phone Am 29.07.2015 um 15:08 schrieb Andrew Guertin andrew.guer...@uvm.edu: I think that this breaks a router's idea that primary is better than secondary, and I think that this problem is exactly why people advocate for not following official classification. I believe the term official classification is often mistaken or at least not thoroughly looked at. Often there is more than one official classification: visible and obvious is the maintaining entity, e.g. the country, state or municipality level, but what is not so well known and not visible easily is the conceptual level/class of connection roads (importance of connection) which together with the estimated traffic intensity and available funds and topographical setting and political processes determine the actual road that will be built (or enhanced). E.g. in Germany the official classification that most people are aware of is Bundesstraße (nationwide network) Landesstraße (state maintained network) Kreisstraße (Landkreis maintained network, slightly bigger than municipality) But if you look at the planning guidelines and standards you will see much more different types, e.g here: https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verbindungsfunktion#Verbindungsfunktionsstufen there are ~categories (A-E, inside or outside of settlements, with or without adjacent buildings) ~levels of connection functions (I - VI, what does the road connect) The result of the combination of these 2 groups is the road class (e.g. B III), in theory 30 different classes, but not all combinations make sense. This is admittedly only the German situation but my guess is that many other countries operate in a similar way (i.e. do have more complex road classes internally than what is visible from signposted ref). Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] works_as_highway=primary
sent from a phone Am 28.07.2015 um 11:02 schrieb Pavel Zbytovský zbytov...@gmail.com: 1) technically the small secondary roads part works as primary road network. So we would suggest a tag similar to works_as_highway=primary. Do you think its ok? Any suggestions? from what you have written it seems to me that these are tagging errors: if a road works as primary it should get the primary tag in osm. Country specific deviations that result from following different criteria (like road maintenance class / entity, or physical criteria, etc.) should be repaired (map those properties differently and not in the highway tag) and the highway tag should be used like it is elsewhere. OSM is a global dataset and following everywhere the same criteria to determine the highway tag is important for a smooth usage of the data across borders. Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] works_as_highway=primary
On 28/07/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 28.07.2015 um 11:02 schrieb Pavel Zbytovský zbytov...@gmail.com: 1) technically the small secondary roads part works as primary road network. So we would suggest a tag similar to works_as_highway=primary. Do you think its ok? Any suggestions? from what you have written it seems to me that these are tagging errors: if a road works as primary it should get the primary tag in osm. Country specific deviations that result from following different criteria (like road maintenance class / entity, or physical criteria, etc.) should be repaired (map those properties differently and not in the highway tag) and the highway tag should be used like it is elsewhere. Sorry but no, too simplistic. A lot of local OSM communities follow the official national road classification where possible. For example in Ireland, any ref=Nxx road with xx51 is highway=trunk, and switches to highway=primary when xx50. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ireland/Roads This makes sense because it is expected by any Irish driver and map user. While it does result in some road classification changes without any physical changes, this just reflects the administrative reality. OSM is a global dataset and following everywhere the same criteria to determine the highway tag is important for a smooth usage of the data across borders. That ideal doesn't match the practical reality. highway=primary has a very different definition between Ethiopia and Germany, by necessity. A global uniform standard for highway=* would be pretty unusable. But we do use a collection of local standards, so we have local consistency (hopefully at least at the national level), which is the most important thing. That said, there are plenty of tags other than highway that are usefull and objective: maxspeed, lanes, width, traffic lights, speed bunps, and even surface (but that one is getting subjective again). Go map them, in that rough order of priority. They are used by routing software and solve the OP's question for routing. If you want to use those tags for rendering, talk to your map style developer (you'd need to do that anyway to make use of works_as_primary). ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] works_as_highway=primary
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 4:14 PM, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: That ideal doesn't match the practical reality. highway=primary has a very different definition between Ethiopia and Germany, by necessity. While they can be very different, a router should still be able to prefer a primary road to navigate you from city A to B and avoid secondary or tertiary roads. Of course in Germany it might be a smooth asphalted road and in another country a sand road, but that doesn't matter. Are the current router properly routing over the Irish roads ? Can they properly deal with the classification changes ? Or are those changes ignored because the speed limits are properly tagged. regards m ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] works_as_highway=primary
On 28/07/2015, Pavel Zbytovský zbytov...@gmail.com wrote: Since nobody objected much, i would probably go with works_as_highway=primary - i think it reflects the state of reality, so its useful to be added in OSM dataset. FWIW, I'm not a big fan of this, because it is just a variation of tagging for the renderer, with no support by current rendering styles to begin with. Routers should already have no problem with the data. That said, I don't see a better tag that your style could use to decide displaying that road (from your 1st example) earlyer. The maxspeed is just 50 and there are only two lanes, that seems like weak arguments for force early display. What I'm going to say may sound beside the point, but I suggest you simply ignore this as a non-problem. Leave the data and rendering as-is : * If the user asks for routing, the secondary road will be used properly. * If the user is looking at a low-zoom rendering, he's probably only interested in a rough idea anyway like I'll get near Praha using this primary road, and can probably reach city center from there. * If the user zooms in, he'll see the secondary road. See ? No problem to be solved :) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] works_as_highway=primary
sent from a phone Am 28.07.2015 um 16:14 schrieb moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com: Sorry but no, too simplistic. A lot of local OSM communities follow the official national road classification where possible. That's too simplistic ;-) That ideal doesn't match the practical reality. highway=primary has a very different definition between Ethiopia and Germany, by necessity actually it hasn't, it has the same definition while the actual physical appearance might be very different. On the other hand, as it seems, Ireland and Poland might have different definitions ;-) Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] works_as_highway=primary
Thanks for updates, yes, we have similar rules as Ireland. Since nobody objected much, i would probably go with works_as_highway=primary - i think it reflects the state of reality, so its useful to be added in OSM dataset. Regards, Pavel út 28. 7. 2015 v 16:33 odesílatel Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com napsal: On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 4:14 PM, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: That ideal doesn't match the practical reality. highway=primary has a very different definition between Ethiopia and Germany, by necessity. While they can be very different, a router should still be able to prefer a primary road to navigate you from city A to B and avoid secondary or tertiary roads. Of course in Germany it might be a smooth asphalted road and in another country a sand road, but that doesn't matter. Are the current router properly routing over the Irish roads ? Can they properly deal with the classification changes ? Or are those changes ignored because the speed limits are properly tagged. regards m ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] works_as_highway=primary
On 28/07/2015, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 4:14 PM, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: That ideal doesn't match the practical reality. highway=primary has a very different definition between Ethiopia and Germany, by necessity. While they can be very different, a router should still be able to prefer a primary road to navigate you from city A to B and avoid secondary or tertiary roads. Of course in Germany it might be a smooth asphalted road and in another country a sand road, but that doesn't matter. Are the current router properly routing over the Irish roads ? Can they properly deal with the classification changes ? Or are those changes ignored because the speed limits are properly tagged. I was arguing against a worldwide unified classification. What you're worried about is only local classification : A router won't care about classification differences between far away places like Germany to Ethiopia. They just care about taking the best road in the area, and as long as OSM is locally consistent, this works. Even if a trunk turns into a primary for no physical reason and without additional helpfull tags like maxspeed, a router likely won't be thrown off and avoid the primary, because there's nothing better than the primary_which_used_to_be_trunk around. One routing error that came up recently is a trunk with a lower than typical maxspeed, and a trunk_link without a maxspeed tag. The router used its default idea of maxspeed for that link, and tried to use it as a shortcut. The router could have been smarter, but the data should have been more complete too, adding a naxspeed tag. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] works_as_highway=primary
On Jul 28, 2015, at 8:29 AM, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: One routing error that came up recently is a trunk with a lower than typical maxspeed, and a trunk_link without a maxspeed tag. The router used its default idea of maxspeed for that link, and tried to use it as a shortcut. The router could have been smarter, but the data should have been more complete too, adding a naxspeed tag. There are almost no motorway_link roads in the United States with a posted speed limit at all. And if a speed is posted, it is nearly always an advisory value rather than a mandatory limit. How should one tag what one sees on the ground for that? For what it is worth, the only router I’ve seen that has an issue is OSMand. And the fix is easy (I’ve done it in my routing.xml). Just because the developers of one routing engine need help is no reason to make up fake data to keep it happy. Tod ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] works_as_highway=primary
uto, 28. srp 2015. 11:53 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com je napisao: from what you have written it seems to me that these are tagging errors: if a road works as primary it should get the primary tag in osm. Country specific deviations that result from following different criteria (like road maintenance class / entity, or physical criteria, etc.) should be repaired (map those properties differently and not in the highway tag) and the highway tag should be used like it is elsewhere. OSM is a global dataset and following everywhere the same criteria to determine the highway tag is important for a smooth usage of the data across borders. Cheers Martin +1 I agree with everything. The 1:1 relation between various countries official road clasification and OSM is not something we should want. We should be flexible. In Croatia we have people that break roads in several places and then you have secondary/unclassified/secondary just because the road crossed city boundary: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/46.3399/16.4297 There's just no sense to keep up with that. Janko ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] works_as_highway=primary
sent from a phone Am 28.07.2015 um 17:57 schrieb moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com: That said, I don't see a better tag that your style could use to decide displaying that road rather than adding a tag: render like a primary you should check what it is that you are after (e.g. maintenance entity/class or designed network road class) and use an appropriate tag to store this information so you can render the map the way you like. cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
