[Tagging] RFD Camp ground Kitchens and their fittings
Hi, Follow a thread on another forum (non OSM, but talking about side issues) I think the following things should be mapped to add information to the map in regards some, mainly commercial, camp grounds that have communal kitchens; stove top (no, not a bbq) microwave_oven fridge (or refrigerator to give it a fuller name?) sink Most of these have a simple roof structure, leaving all or most sides open, a few tables and chairs. But it is the above features that make it better and something I'd look for. These features may eventually make there way onto indoor mapping too. They are all man_made so could go there. So all those features under 'man_made'? What ideas/preferences are there? I, as a beginner, could simply slot them in there .. but I don't like it .. but have no better idea. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] How to tag a cistern?
Hi,I've been mapping on Africa in HOT tasks and around, I've seen some cisterns, also know that some humanitarian NGOs have made many cisterns on Africa (also water_wells). Question:How to tag a cistern (it seems to be not like what is shown for landuse=reservoir; rather a small man made reservoir, on ground level or escavated, for either natural or treated water)? Or, in addition, since there are tags for man_made=water_well, man_made=water_tower, wouldn't it be worth to have a tag like man_made=cistern? Thank you in advance, regards,Sérgio (user:SergioAJV)svo...@hotmail.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag a cistern?
The Wikipedia defintion of cistern is much wider than the toilet cistern: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cistern On 1 February 2015 at 10:21, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 31/01/2015 10:49 AM, S Volk wrote: Hi, I've been mapping on Africa in HOT tasks and around, I've seen some cisterns, also know that some humanitarian NGOs have made many cisterns on Africa (also water_wells). Question: How to tag a cistern (it seems to be not like what is shown for landuse=reservoir; rather a small man made reservoir, on ground level or escavated, for either natural or treated water)? Or, in addition, since there are tags for man_made=water_well, man_made=water_tower, wouldn't it be worth to have a tag like man_made=cistern? Thank you in advance, regards, Sérgio (user:SergioAJV) svo...@hotmail.com A 'cistern' has a mechanism for keeping a water level stable, commonly used in toilets. And OSM has no tag for that feature (yet). They are connected to a water supply with some pressure behind it. I'd think you want to map the provision of water? If it is 'drinkable' then the generic amenity=drinking_water would suit? If non potable then amenity=watering_place ? If you don't know if it is drinkable then assume not, so use amenity=watering_place ? Maybe add a note ? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag a cistern?
cistern in English implies underground or covered. You want something like man_made=water_tank (unfortunately often used as firw-water tank) or man_made=storage storage=water On 31 January 2015 at 00:49, S Volk svo...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I've been mapping on Africa in HOT tasks and around, I've seen some cisterns, also know that some humanitarian NGOs have made many cisterns on Africa (also water_wells). Question: How to tag a cistern (it seems to be not like what is shown for landuse=reservoir; rather a small man made reservoir, on ground level or escavated, for either natural or treated water)? Or, in addition, since there are tags for man_made=water_well, man_made= water_tower, wouldn't it be worth to have a tag like man_made=cistern? Thank you in advance, regards, Sérgio (user:SergioAJV) svo...@hotmail.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag a cistern?
On 1/02/2015 8:31 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: cistern in English implies underground or covered. You want something like man_made=water_tank (unfortunately often used as fish?-water tank) or man_made=storage storage=water On 31 January 2015 at 00:49, S Volk svo...@hotmail.com mailto:svo...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I've been mapping on Africa in HOT tasks and around, I've seen some cisterns, also know that some humanitarian NGOs have made many cisterns on Africa (also water_wells). Question: How to tag a cistern (it seems to be not like what is shown for landuse=reservoir; rather a small man made reservoir, on ground level or escavated, for either natural or treated water)? I don't see any limits for 'landuse=reservoir' ? So it could be used from small to large. And if that is the 'best fit' then use it. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] JOSM 7995 (January 2015) released
Spreading the word. Thanks to the devs. -- Forwarded message -- From: Dirk Stöcker openstreet...@dstoecker.de Date: 2015-02-01 13:40 GMT+01:00 Subject: [josm-dev] JOSM 7995 (January 2015) released To: josm-...@openstreetmap.org Hello, the new JOSM tested version for last month is out. Feel free to spread the word :-) Ciao ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] RFD Camp ground Kitchens and their fittings
On 1/02/2015 7:47 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: There is much that needs to be done to bring OSM up to speed regarding camping facilities IMO. We have only a very few tags tourism=camp_site, tourism=caravan_site, and in a stretch, leisure=summer camp to describe the myriad of facilities out there. AFAIK, there is no way to distinguish a primitive camp site from one that caters to motorized tourists, or one that offers kitchen facilities to customers. In New Zealand many campgrounds have a shared kitchen area, which they refer to as an ablution block, that includes assorted pots and pans and a source of hot water. A very nice feature indeed. ? Umm according to wiki and corresponds to my understanding abolition is cleaning oneself. So showers? Nothing to do with preparing or cooking food.. They couldbe in the same structure .. but an abolition block may not have food facilities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ablution http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ablution I don't have any suggestions but want to wish you luck on getting your tagging resolved. Cheers, Dave Thanks. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag a cistern?
On 31/01/2015 10:49 AM, S Volk wrote: Hi, I've been mapping on Africa in HOT tasks and around, I've seen some cisterns, also know that some humanitarian NGOs have made many cisterns on Africa (also water_wells). Question: How to tag a cistern (it seems to be not like what is shown for landuse=reservoir; rather a small man made reservoir, on ground level or escavated, for either natural or treated water)? Or, in addition, since there are tags for man_made=water_well, man_made=water_tower, wouldn't it be worth to have a tag like man_made=cistern? Thank you in advance, regards, Sérgio (user:SergioAJV) svo...@hotmail.com A 'cistern' has a mechanism for keeping a water level stable, commonly used in toilets. And OSM has no tag for that feature (yet). They are connected to a water supply with some pressure behind it. I'd think you want to map the provision of water? If it is 'drinkable' then the generic amenity=drinking_water would suit? If non potable then amenity=watering_place ? If you don't know if it is drinkable then assume not, so use amenity=watering_place ? Maybe add a note ? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] RFD Camp ground Kitchens and their fittings
There is much that needs to be done to bring OSM up to speed regarding camping facilities IMO. We have only a very few tags tourism=camp_site, tourism=caravan_site, and in a stretch, leisure=summer camp to describe the myriad of facilities out there. AFAIK, there is no way to distinguish a primitive camp site from one that caters to motorized tourists, or one that offers kitchen facilities to customers. In New Zealand many campgrounds have a shared kitchen area, which they refer to as an ablution block, that includes assorted pots and pans and a source of hot water. A very nice feature indeed. I don't have any suggestions but want to wish you luck on getting your tagging resolved. Cheers, Dave On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Frank sundowne...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Hi, Follow a thread on another forum (non OSM, but talking about side issues) I think the following things should be mapped to add information to the map in regards some, mainly commercial, camp grounds that have communal kitchens; stove top (no, not a bbq) microwave_oven fridge (or refrigerator to give it a fuller name?) sink Most of these have a simple roof structure, leaving all or most sides open, a few tables and chairs. But it is the above features that make it better and something I'd look for. These features may eventually make there way onto indoor mapping too. They are all man_made so could go there. So all those features under 'man_made'? What ideas/preferences are there? I, as a beginner, could simply slot them in there .. but I don't like it .. but have no better idea. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Dave Swarthout Homer, Alaska Chiang Mai, Thailand Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag a cistern?
amenity =drinking_water sounds right for the drinkable water, I wouldn't use tank, rather also add a man_made=cistern for the kind of object cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag a cistern?
My error on the 'cistern'.. or rather limiting the application. I'm thinking of the 'ballcock' ... not a plumber. On 1/02/2015 8:33 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: The Wikipedia defintion of cistern is much wider than the toilet cistern: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cistern On 1 February 2015 at 10:21, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 31/01/2015 10:49 AM, S Volk wrote: Hi, I've been mapping on Africa in HOT tasks and around, I've seen some cisterns, also know that some humanitarian NGOs have made many cisterns on Africa (also water_wells). Question: How to tag a cistern (it seems to be not like what is shown for landuse=reservoir; rather a small man made reservoir, on ground level or escavated, for either natural or treated water)? Or, in addition, since there are tags for man_made=water_well, man_made=water_tower, wouldn't it be worth to have a tag like man_made=cistern? Thank you in advance, regards, Sérgio (user:SergioAJV) svo...@hotmail.com mailto:svo...@hotmail.com A 'cistern' has a mechanism for keeping a water level stable, commonly used in toilets. And OSM has no tag for that feature (yet). They are connected to a water supply with some pressure behind it. I'd think you want to map the provision of water? If it is 'drinkable' then the generic amenity=drinking_water would suit? If non potable then amenity=watering_place ? If you don't know if it is drinkable then assume not, so use amenity=watering_place ? Maybe add a note ? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag a cistern?
Speaking of cisterns, Does this notion of cistern are reservoirs cover fire cisterns? In most urban and suburban areas of Japan, there are underground hydrants, but there are a lot of fire cisterns as well out here in rural Japan. The fire trucks carry a snorkel. I assume this is an old system (some look 50 years old), but there are tons of them - is there a fire hydrant-esque version? We're talking 2-3m concrete boxes with fireman only access through a manhole lid for the snorkel. The concrete boxes are often above ground and in bothersome positions (right next to the road), and labeled as a fire cistern on their road sign, as opposed to hydrant. I looked up the emergency=fire hydrant, and the page mentioned pond, but there is still some kind of hydrant that is there as an attachment for the hose, whereas the cistern is merely a box with a lid. Maybe adding a value to: fire_hydrant:type:cistern And fire_hydrant:water_source=cistern would be appropriate, so they are included in the hydrant system (as opposed to reservoir), where they seem to belong - or is this the case where it would get both tags? Interested in how you'd tag it to be part of the hydrant system. Javbw On Feb 1, 2015, at 6:51 PM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/02/2015 8:31 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: cistern in English implies underground or covered. You want something like man_made=water_tank (unfortunately often used as fish?-water tank) or man_made=storage storage=water On 31 January 2015 at 00:49, S Volk svo...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I've been mapping on Africa in HOT tasks and around, I've seen some cisterns, also know that some humanitarian NGOs have made many cisterns on Africa (also water_wells). Question: How to tag a cistern (it seems to be not like what is shown for landuse=reservoir; rather a small man made reservoir, on ground level or escavated, for either natural or treated water)? I don't see any limits for 'landuse=reservoir' ? So it could be used from small to large. And if that is the 'best fit' then use it. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] JOSM 7995 (January 2015) released
Big thank to the devs ! *François Lacombe* fl dot infosreseaux At gmail dot com www.infos-reseaux.com @InfosReseaux http://www.twitter.com/InfosReseaux 2015-02-01 14:04 GMT+01:00 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com: Spreading the word. Thanks to the devs. -- Forwarded message -- From: Dirk Stöcker openstreet...@dstoecker.de Date: 2015-02-01 13:40 GMT+01:00 Subject: [josm-dev] JOSM 7995 (January 2015) released To: josm-...@openstreetmap.org Hello, the new JOSM tested version for last month is out. Feel free to spread the word :-) Ciao ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] JOSM 7995 (January 2015) released
I have just started up JOSM and, while it did upload 7995 and ask me to update my plug-ins the last entry on the start page is still ... 2014-12-29 (7906) On 1 February 2015 at 15:45, Michał Brzozowski www.ha...@gmail.com wrote: Oddly enough, there is no info on the JOSM start page. I thought this info gets updated automatically. I did clear the cache, btw. Michał On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote: Spreading the word. Thanks to the devs. -- Forwarded message -- From: Dirk Stöcker openstreet...@dstoecker.de Date: 2015-02-01 13:40 GMT+01:00 Subject: [josm-dev] JOSM 7995 (January 2015) released To: josm-...@openstreetmap.org Hello, the new JOSM tested version for last month is out. Feel free to spread the word :-) Ciao ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag a cistern?
On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 3:31 AM, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com wrote: cistern in English implies underground or covered. You want something like man_made=water_tank (unfortunately often used as firw-water tank) or man_made=storage storage=water I realize there's a bit of a bikeshedding factor, but at least regionally, homesteaders (still surprisingly common here!) refer to a large, above-ground tank used to store drinking water as a cistern. Usually placed immediately adjacent to the building it serves and is fed by the rain gutters from said structure. Usually some kind of plastic, and in the 1500-3000 gallon range. Also, most likely the toilets in the same building are of the RV variety to conserve water, and therefore are highly unlikely to have a cistern. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] RFD Camp ground Kitchens and their fittings
On Feb 1, 2015 2:49 AM, Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com wrote: There is much that needs to be done to bring OSM up to speed regarding camping facilities IMO. We have only a very few tags tourism=camp_site, tourism=caravan_site, and in a stretch, leisure=summer camp to describe the myriad of facilities out there. Another one: caravan sites. There's not any way to cleanly distinguish one at a state park that, save for the campground host, doesn't allow long term stays, to ones that allow permanent accommodation and rent trailers (such as the one I live in), to ones that are exclusively long term only (think like as seen in the Canadian TV series The Trailer Park Boys). ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] JOSM 7995 (January 2015) released
Oddly enough, there is no info on the JOSM start page. I thought this info gets updated automatically. I did clear the cache, btw. Michał On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote: Spreading the word. Thanks to the devs. -- Forwarded message -- From: Dirk Stöcker openstreet...@dstoecker.de Date: 2015-02-01 13:40 GMT+01:00 Subject: [josm-dev] JOSM 7995 (January 2015) released To: josm-...@openstreetmap.org Hello, the new JOSM tested version for last month is out. Feel free to spread the word :-) Ciao ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging Voting system- time for reform?
On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: And it seems for the most part, the tags with the most staying power seem to be ones that were natural fits, and *then* were documented *how they're actually used* in the wiki retroactively. A mostly +1 on that. The *problem* tags however are the ones with murky meaning, that can never be sorted out later without a field survey that will never happen. Oh FFS...I'm pretty sure I've said it before, but I'll say it again: If you can cover my costs, I'll be happy to ground truth anyplace I can legally go with a US passport (which, as of this writing, seems to be everywhere but Cuba, Canada and North Korea) and figure it out. Honestly I'd rather be a cartographer for a living anyway... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Motorroad does not apply to all lanes
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:06 AM, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com wrote: *I looked carefully at the situation of that road bridge in Bremen, and to me it looks clear that the stretch on the bridge cannot legally be a motorroad. When you enter from the west on the on-ramp I bet you do not find any sign telling you that you are entering a motorraod. The motorroad starts again at the next exit, immediately after the bridge where non-motor vehicle have to exit*. It is only for practical reasons that non-motor-vehicles will stay on the right hand lane only. So the correct mapping is that yo remove put motorroad=no on the short stretch on the bridge. This also has the advantage that the average routing algorithm will route your horse-drawn calach correctly over the bridge. You joke, but this is important to know before hailing an Amish taxi. Which...actually is a thing. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] JOSM 7995 (January 2015) released
On 2015-02-01 16:45, Michał Brzozowski wrote : Oddly enough, there is no info on the JOSM start page. I thought this info gets updated automatically. I did clear the cache, btw. It's a plain Web page https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/StartupPage and you should try to find why you don't see it. OK here. Funny enough, it was missing here right after a Java upgrade. but it was only Murphy on duty, network timeouts. BTW, Under Download: Ubuntu repository https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Download#Ubuntu, I have added a note showing where older versions are kept on my request. Пока, Cheers André. Michał On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote: Spreading the word. Thanks to the devs. -- Forwarded message -- From: Dirk Stöcker openstreet...@dstoecker.de Date: 2015-02-01 13:40 GMT+01:00 Subject: [josm-dev] JOSM 7995 (January 2015) released To: josm-...@openstreetmap.org Hello, the new JOSM tested version for last month is out. Feel free to spread the word :-) Ciao ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging Voting system- time for reform?
On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 8:00 AM, Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com wrote: +1 Nobody votes because it's a borderline pointless endeavor. I joined this group to effect changes in tagging things of interest to me. But the discussions inevitably go round and round with nary a thing getting resolved. If someone has what seems like a good idea there is always someone else who takes issue with it. The mailing lists and just going out and tagging seem to do more good than calling convoluted proposals and voting sessions, so there's that. For best results, get a working model going first. It's not like the database is going to kick out esoterickey=unknownvalue... Frankly, getting anything done is just too time consuming. I realize getting consensus on a topic is a difficult goal but I decided to just avoid using any controversial tags. There's enough basic mapping needed where I live to keep me plenty busy. This. Also glad Mapillary is a thing; I'm starting to try to use this to avoid having to rely so heavily on memory and searching geolocations on photos I've taken and hoping it happened to capture what I need... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Electronic or 'e' cigarettes?
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Hi A shop that solely sells electronic cigarettes has been added locally. I guess this type of product will be on the increase so I think it's best to clarify unified tag, if there's ever been such a thing in OSM :-) Checking Tag-info it's 8/6 in favour of electronic_cigarettes over e-cigarettes. To me, electronic_cigarettes is clearer should be used, but I thought it best to discuss first. I don't smoke, are all these power based? As far as I am aware, yes, all e-cigarettes contain batteries. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Motorroad does not apply to all lanes
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 8:36 PM, 715371 osmu715...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, I have a very, very special case here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/318383959 There is a road with four lanes, but not all of them seem to be motorroad. There is a sign which suggests that. I do not like to have a separate way there, so I used the following tagging. motorroad:lanes=yes|yes|yes|no What do you think? Better ideas? Is this even a motorroad? Do we have Mapillary for this segment that has the signage that would lead one to believe this is a motorroad? Granted, I'm not horribly acute on EU road issues (beyond what's covered in European Truck Simulator 2), but just looking at the aerials, this looks like some kind of primary or secondary route. Also granted, my knowledge of these is limited to Oregon, Washington, California and Pennsylvania for the most part. However, this looks like something that would be open to nonmotorized modes. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Draft Additions to camp_site
Subject Was - RFD Camp ground Kitchens and their fittings On Sun, 2015-02-01 at 09:47 -0600, Paul Johnson wrote: Another one: caravan sites. There's not any way to cleanly distinguish one at a state park that, save for the campground host, doesn't allow long term stays, to ones that allow permanent accommodation and rent trailers (such as the one I live in), to ones that are exclusively long term only . Yes Paul, agree. Lets look at a small set of additional tags to add to tourism=camp_site ? How about (with typical data to start the disussion)- max_stay=2 (and define it as days) min_stay=2 (again, days) shade=yes defined_sites=yes They sound easy, now how to define the 'type' of campground. You mention State Park and commercial, I'd add 'free', common term in Oz and means more than no monetary charge. I reckon we could spend some time getting agreement on that list. Warin's advice was to avoid a big package. Hmm I'd also like to add mention of amenity=toilets fee=yes/no To the camp_site page, they are already defined elsewhere but are needed here. Again, non-controversial ? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site attempted this some years ago but it appears to have grown too big and it run out of steam. David ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Draft Additions to camp_site
On Feb 1, 2015, at 2:50 PM, David Bannon wrote: Subject Was - RFD Camp ground Kitchens and their fittings On Sun, 2015-02-01 at 09:47 -0600, Paul Johnson wrote: Another one: caravan sites. There's not any way to cleanly distinguish one at a state park that, save for the campground host, doesn't allow long term stays, to ones that allow permanent accommodation and rent trailers (such as the one I live in), to ones that are exclusively long term only . Yes Paul, agree. Lets look at a small set of additional tags to add to tourism=camp_site ? How about (with typical data to start the disussion)- max_stay=2 (and define it as days) min_stay=2 (again, days) shade=yes defined_sites=yes They sound easy, now how to define the 'type' of campground. You mention State Park and commercial, I'd add 'free', common term in Oz and means more than no monetary charge. I reckon we could spend some time getting agreement on that list. Warin's advice was to avoid a big package. Hmm I'd also like to add mention of amenity=toilets fee=yes/no To the camp_site page, they are already defined elsewhere but are needed here. Again, non-controversial ? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site attempted this some years ago but it appears to have grown too big and it run out of steam. David I would like to have some of the items on Extend_camp_site page brought onto the main camp_site page. Specifically the site/pitch specific tags at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site#Tagging_of_individual_pitches While they are not widely used, I see a fairly big geographical distribution which implies that they might be understood and universal enough to warrant better mention. And, of course, I used them myself when mapping a couple of U.S. Forest Service campgrounds. :) -Tod ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Electronic or 'e' cigarettes?
Another legitimate terms for these shops is a vape shop, and the practice of using any sort of electronic cigarette is now referred to as vaping. This is a better term than smoking, as the product emits vapors, not smoke. We are enthusiastic about seeing this term standardized, as many jurisdictions do not license or regulate vape shops in the same way they do places that sell cigarettes (and thus e-cigarette is a confusing term). Our research is often about tobacco shops, and vape shops, because they're not licensed, introduce a new wrinkle. Tac On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Hi A shop that solely sells electronic cigarettes has been added locally. I guess this type of product will be on the increase so I think it's best to clarify unified tag, if there's ever been such a thing in OSM :-) Checking Tag-info it's 8/6 in favour of electronic_cigarettes over e-cigarettes. To me, electronic_cigarettes is clearer should be used, but I thought it best to discuss first. I don't smoke, are all these power based? As far as I am aware, yes, all e-cigarettes contain batteries. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Draft Additions to camp_site
The http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site is quite a comprehensive proposal. One small thing I noticed in that one is that waterway=water_point should be changed to amenity=water_point, to be consistent with current OSM usage. I guess the only issue I have with the what Tod's proposing is the use of the British term pitch to describe an individual site. It's confusing because the term is already used to describe large playing fields, as in soccer and baseball. To use it here to describe an individual camp_site in an area with many other sites is a bit counterintuitive to me. I would prefer tourism=campground or leisure=campground for the whole camping area and then campground=camp_site for individual areas it contains. But that's my American-centric view; I can live with the set of tags for individual pitches if that's what most people want. On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 6:22 AM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: On Feb 1, 2015, at 2:50 PM, David Bannon wrote: Subject Was - RFD Camp ground Kitchens and their fittings On Sun, 2015-02-01 at 09:47 -0600, Paul Johnson wrote: Another one: caravan sites. There's not any way to cleanly distinguish one at a state park that, save for the campground host, doesn't allow long term stays, to ones that allow permanent accommodation and rent trailers (such as the one I live in), to ones that are exclusively long term only . Yes Paul, agree. Lets look at a small set of additional tags to add to tourism=camp_site ? How about (with typical data to start the disussion)- max_stay=2 (and define it as days) min_stay=2 (again, days) shade=yes defined_sites=yes They sound easy, now how to define the 'type' of campground. You mention State Park and commercial, I'd add 'free', common term in Oz and means more than no monetary charge. I reckon we could spend some time getting agreement on that list. Warin's advice was to avoid a big package. Hmm I'd also like to add mention of amenity=toilets fee=yes/no To the camp_site page, they are already defined elsewhere but are needed here. Again, non-controversial ? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site attempted this some years ago but it appears to have grown too big and it run out of steam. David I would like to have some of the items on Extend_camp_site page brought onto the main camp_site page. Specifically the site/pitch specific tags at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site#Tagging_of_individual_pitches While they are not widely used, I see a fairly big geographical distribution which implies that they might be understood and universal enough to warrant better mention. And, of course, I used them myself when mapping a couple of U.S. Forest Service campgrounds. :) -Tod ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Dave Swarthout Homer, Alaska Chiang Mai, Thailand Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Draft Additions to camp_site
On Feb 1, 2015, at 4:25 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: The http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site is quite a comprehensive proposal. One small thing I noticed in that one is that waterway=water_point should be changed to amenity=water_point, to be consistent with current OSM usage. I guess the only issue I have with the what Tod's proposing is the use of the British term pitch to describe an individual site. It's confusing because the term is already used to describe large playing fields, as in soccer and baseball. To use it here to describe an individual camp_site in an area with many other sites is a bit counterintuitive to me. I would prefer tourism=campground or leisure=campground for the whole camping area and then campground=camp_site for individual areas it contains. But that's my American-centric view; I can live with the set of tags for individual pitches if that's what most people want. IIRC, when those tags went in the discussion on the list had campground=camp_site in the original and the suggestion was to change to the more British centric pitch. :) Tod ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Draft Additions to camp_site
On Sun, 2015-02-01 at 15:22 -0800, Tod Fitch wrote: . I would like to have some of the items on Extend_camp_site page brought onto the main camp_site page. Specifically the site/pitch specific tags at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site#Tagging_of_individual_pitches While they are not widely used, I see a fairly big geographical distribution which implies that they might be understood and universal enough to warrant better mention. And, of course, I used them myself when mapping a couple of U.S. Forest Service campgrounds. :) Tod, I agree with the idea but mindful of Warin's advice, more things on the page, less chance of getting it approved. Incidently, AU we'd say 'site', the overall area would be a campground (but too late, its already called camp_site). I don't know if I, personally, would ever bother to map a campground down to individual sites (or pitches as you would say). But campground owners sure would and it would be useful indeed. I'd vote for them. Maybe we should try and do parallel development of these things, bring up a proposal for - 1. Overall campground, titled additions to tourism=camp_site 2. Site specific additions, pitch specific additions to tourism=camp_site 3. Warin's kitchen specific ones. We could prepare and discuss as a set but keep voting separate so we don't get a few negative votes killing whole thing ? David ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Draft Additions to camp_site
On Mon, 2015-02-02 at 12:24 +1100, Warin wrote: I've edited the wiki page on camp sites https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_site to include links to the tags for fee, shower, laundry, firepit and water tap. OK, if thats how its done, I have added toilets. But seems you are restructuring things as I do so. Not sure I like the separate table you just added, it needs a second column describing when a mapper should consider using the listed tag, too slow to browse off to each page when looking up something. For example, water. At present you have drinking_water= in the first table, for consistency, it probably should be in the second table and listed with amenity=water_point and amenity=drinking_water, possibly amenity=watering_place and man_made=water_tap! Clearly need an explanation of why all these in a camping context So, if you have no objections, I'll add a second column ... David ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Draft Additions to camp_site
On 2/02/2015 2:33 PM, David Bannon wrote: On Mon, 2015-02-02 at 12:24 +1100, Warin wrote: I've edited the wiki page on camp sites https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_site to include links to the tags for fee, shower, laundry, firepit and water tap. OK, if thats how its done, I have added toilets. But seems you are restructuring things as I do so. Not sure I like the separate table you just added, it needs a second column describing when a mapper should consider using the listed tag, too slow to browse off to each page when looking up something. I think the second table is better as it contains things that should/could be separate nodes/areas, where as the first table is for sub tags of the key 'campsite'.It also makes it easier for other s to clearly see the major addition. For example, water. At present you have drinking_water= in the first table, for consistency, it probably should be in the second table and listed with amenity=water_point and amenity=drinking_water, possibly amenity=watering_place and man_made=water_tap! Clearly need an explanation of why all these in a camping context So, if you have no objections, I'll add a second column ... Feel free! I was too lazy to add the second column! At least at this stage. Also needs electrical power places, sewage dump points .. more as I think of them .. I'm making a list for later look up. And my 'should be mapped' needs to change to 'could be mapped' on the page .. less assertive, more encouragement? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Draft Additions to camp_site
On 2/02/2015 10:22 AM, Tod Fitch wrote: On Feb 1, 2015, at 2:50 PM, David Bannon wrote: Subject Was - RFD Camp ground Kitchens and their fittings On Sun, 2015-02-01 at 09:47 -0600, Paul Johnson wrote: Another one: caravan sites. There's not any way to cleanly distinguish one at a state park that, save for the campground host, doesn't allow long term stays, to ones that allow permanent accommodation and rent trailers (such as the one I live in), to ones that are exclusively long term only . Yes Paul, agree. Lets look at a small set of additional tags to add to tourism=camp_site ? How about (with typical data to start the disussion)- max_stay=2 (and define it as days) min_stay=2 (again, days) shade=yes defined_sites=yes They sound easy, now how to define the 'type' of campground. You mention State Park and commercial, I'd add 'free', common term in Oz and means more than no monetary charge. I reckon we could spend some time getting agreement on that list. Warin's advice was to avoid a big package. Hmm I'd also like to add mention of amenity=toilets fee=yes/no To the camp_site page, they are already defined elsewhere but are needed here. Again, non-controversial ? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site attempted this some years ago but it appears to have grown too big and it run out of steam. David I would like to have some of the items on Extend_camp_site page brought onto the main camp_site page. Specifically the site/pitch specific tags at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site#Tagging_of_individual_pitches While they are not widely used, I see a fairly big geographical distribution which implies that they might be understood and universal enough to warrant better mention. And, of course, I used them myself when mapping a couple of U.S. Forest Service campgrounds. :) -Tod I've edited the wiki page on camp sites https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_site to include links to the tags for fee, shower, laundry, firepit and water tap. Tod you could do the same for your desired additional tags? Any complaints to me.. or just edit the page yourself? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Draft Additions to camp_site
On 2/02/2015 11:43 AM, David Bannon wrote: On Sun, 2015-02-01 at 15:22 -0800, Tod Fitch wrote: . I would like to have some of the items on Extend_camp_site page brought onto the main camp_site page. Specifically the site/pitch specific tags at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site#Tagging_of_individual_pitches While they are not widely used, I see a fairly big geographical distribution which implies that they might be understood and universal enough to warrant better mention. And, of course, I used them myself when mapping a couple of U.S. Forest Service campgrounds. :) Tod, I agree with the idea but mindful of Warin's advice, more things on the page, less chance of getting it approved. Incidently, AU we'd say 'site', the overall area would be a campground (but too late, its already called camp_site). Some pages are an over view .. well that is what it appears to be for me. They are good things to see. Being in AU too .. I don't mind pitch. I don't know if I, personally, would ever bother to map a campground down to individual sites (or pitches as you would say). Powered sites (ones with electrical power .. and possibly water and possibly waste water connections) would be high on the probability of being mapped. And that then falls in line with mapping the connections. Maybe we should try and do parallel development of these things, bring up a proposal for - 1. Overall campground, titled additions to tourism=camp_site 2. Site specific additions, pitch specific additions to tourism=camp_site 3. Warin's kitchen specific ones. We could prepare and discuss as a set but keep voting separate so we don't get a few negative votes killing whole thing ? That is may way of getting things through, with the least confusion and I think the easiest way to discuss individual features and make keys out of them. I've forgotten to add things to that campsite page .. payment options .. waste water point/s ..and probably otherthings too. And they may be better organised as 'Additional tags'? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Draft Additions to camp_site
On 2/02/2015 2:33 PM, David Bannon wrote: On Mon, 2015-02-02 at 12:24 +1100, Warin wrote: I've edited the wiki page on camp sites https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_site to include links to the tags for fee, shower, laundry, firepit and water tap. OK, if thats how its done, I have added toilets. Right. I've added power point/supply. Not found an OSM sewer dump point key. Reordered the water things into a ?better? order and added yet more words. Added and changed the tone of the introduction to this. Less dictatorship, more 'please'? See what you think of it in general.I don't think there is any harm done. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Draft Additions to camp_site
Sorry for the quote all, but the email app on this cell phone doesn't make it easy to edit quoted text. Regarding detail mapping of individual sites/pitches, the reason I mapped the camp sites in the campgrounds on a local mountain was for a Forest Service volunteer group. The local medical fire/ambulance agency saw it and asked for a copy. Changing my Mapnik style sheets around I was able to make a large scale printed map with the specific details they wanted. They believe it will save time in responding to medical incidents. When I get back in town and to a real computer I'll make the wiki edits suggested by another response on this thread. Tod On February 1, 2015 4:43:30 PM PST, David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote: On Sun, 2015-02-01 at 15:22 -0800, Tod Fitch wrote: . I would like to have some of the items on Extend_camp_site page brought onto the main camp_site page. Specifically the site/pitch specific tags at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site#Tagging_of_individual_pitches While they are not widely used, I see a fairly big geographical distribution which implies that they might be understood and universal enough to warrant better mention. And, of course, I used them myself when mapping a couple of U.S. Forest Service campgrounds. :) Tod, I agree with the idea but mindful of Warin's advice, more things on the page, less chance of getting it approved. Incidently, AU we'd say 'site', the overall area would be a campground (but too late, its already called camp_site). I don't know if I, personally, would ever bother to map a campground down to individual sites (or pitches as you would say). But campground owners sure would and it would be useful indeed. I'd vote for them. Maybe we should try and do parallel development of these things, bring up a proposal for - 1. Overall campground, titled additions to tourism=camp_site 2. Site specific additions, pitch specific additions to tourism=camp_site 3. Warin's kitchen specific ones. We could prepare and discuss as a set but keep voting separate so we don't get a few negative votes killing whole thing ? David ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
