Re: email program recommendation

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Although unsupported, I have a version of outlook express that runs 
under seven.  If you are interested, write off list to


but...@shellworld.net

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sat, 23 Jul 
2016, Kim Lingo via Talk wrote:



Hi everyone,
I'm currently using Window-Eyes version 8.4.  I'm starting to have real 
difficulty with Windows XP and Internet Explorer, so I decided to finally get 
a newer computer which comes with Windows 7.  I realize that Windows x is now 
out there, but this is the route I'm going to take for now, because it's a 
good deal.  I'm currently using Outlook Express.  I understand that this no 
longer works with Windows 7.  Does anyone have a recommendation for a good 
email program that works well with Window-Eyes and also Windows 7?
Kim Lingo 


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RE: email program recommendation

[JOHN RIEHL via Talk]

Hi. I'm using Windows-7 and Outlook 2010. I prefer Outlook 2003, that's not
an option. Outlook has many of the same features as Outlook Express and, as
I said, it works well with Windows-7. You'll want to upgrade your copy of
Windoweyes to the latest version, which also works well with Windows-7. 

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+realman02=verizon@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Charles Short via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 10:45 PM
To: 'Kim Lingo'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: email program recommendation

Windows XP is no longer supported.  Nowadays, new computer use windows 8 and
windows 10.  If you're looking for a pc that uses Windows 7, you're out of
luck.  You'll probably have it specially ordered through Amazon.


Charlie Short

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On Behalf Of Kim Lingo via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 10:32 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: email program recommendation

Hi everyone,
I'm currently using Window-Eyes version 8.4.  I'm starting to have real
difficulty with Windows XP and Internet Explorer, so I decided to finally
get a newer computer which comes with Windows 7.  I realize that Windows x
is now out there, but this is the route I'm going to take for now, because
it's a good deal.  I'm currently using Outlook Express.  I understand that
this no longer works with Windows 7.  Does anyone have a recommendation for
a good email program that works well with Window-Eyes and also Windows 7?
Kim Lingo 


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RE: email program recommendation

[Charles Short via Talk]

Windows XP is no longer supported.  Nowadays, new computer use windows 8 and
windows 10.  If you're looking for a pc that uses Windows 7, you're out of
luck.  You'll probably have it specially ordered through Amazon.


Charlie Short

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On Behalf Of Kim Lingo via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 10:32 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: email program recommendation

Hi everyone,
I'm currently using Window-Eyes version 8.4.  I'm starting to have real
difficulty with Windows XP and Internet Explorer, so I decided to finally
get a newer computer which comes with Windows 7.  I realize that Windows x
is now out there, but this is the route I'm going to take for now, because
it's a good deal.  I'm currently using Outlook Express.  I understand that
this no longer works with Windows 7.  Does anyone have a recommendation for
a good email program that works well with Window-Eyes and also Windows 7?
Kim Lingo 


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Re: email program recommendation

[RJ Sandefur via Talk]

Thunderbird.


On 7/23/2016 10:31 PM, Kim Lingo via Talk wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> I'm currently using Window-Eyes version 8.4.  I'm starting to have 
> real difficulty with Windows XP and Internet Explorer, so I decided to 
> finally get a newer computer which comes with Windows 7.  I realize 
> that Windows x is now out there, but this is the route I'm going to 
> take for now, because it's a good deal.  I'm currently using Outlook 
> Express.  I understand that this no longer works with Windows 7.  Does 
> anyone have a recommendation for a good email program that works well 
> with Window-Eyes and also Windows 7?
> Kim Lingo
>
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email program recommendation

[Kim Lingo via Talk]

Hi everyone,
I'm currently using Window-Eyes version 8.4.  I'm starting to have real 
difficulty with Windows XP and Internet Explorer, so I decided to finally 
get a newer computer which comes with Windows 7.  I realize that Windows x 
is now out there, but this is the route I'm going to take for now, because 
it's a good deal.  I'm currently using Outlook Express.  I understand that 
this no longer works with Windows 7.  Does anyone have a recommendation for 
a good email program that works well with Window-Eyes and also Windows 7?
Kim Lingo 



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we apps

[Don Smith via Talk]

Hi Folks:

Using windows 7.5, we 9.4

 

I am using a number of apps from wi eyes and all are working as they should
be.

 

Apps on the gw miro apps folders that I would like to try.

 

Question is are all of the apps safe and have been tested so as not to screw
up my computer if I want to try some of them

 

Thanks

Son

There a number of 

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Re: Help with Pandora

[Mike Rogers via Talk]

Thanks.
It doesn't seem to be any more accessible.  Hope worked great, but suddenly 
became corrupted and my friend is a computer trouble shooter for a big 
industry.  He couldn't fix it.  Not sure that buying a copy will help.

Mike



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www.woodeneyemusic.com


On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 16:41:20 +
Marc Solomon via Talk  wrote:

> Mike, the last time I checked, there was very little keyboard accessibility 
> on Panora's website. In other words, if you can't use the physical mouse, you 
> might not be able to use certain features on the site. Hopefully, the website 
> is more accessible since the last time I tested it.
> Best,
> Marc
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> On July 23, 2016 10:22:43 AM Mike Rogers via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> > I've been using Hope ap with Pandora.  The other day, some kind of error 
> > popped up and it no longer works.  My computer tech can't get it to work 
> > anymore.  I tried just going to Pandora, but W.E. won't take me to my music 
> > stations.  Firefox won't give me much help as no mouse keys work.  How do 
> > you use Pandora without the Hope ap.  Amy suggestions  appreciated.
> >
> > 
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> > www.harmonicaworkshops.com
> > www.woodeneyemusic.com
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Re accessible forex trading sites

[Mark Cussons via Talk]

HI List,
Does anybody successfully use an accessible forex trading site with window
eyes, to trade forex?
Regards 
Mark 

Mark Cussons 
email:  lo...@mweb.co.za 

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Re: Help with Pandora

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Mike, the last time I checked, there was very little keyboard accessibility on 
Panora's website. In other words, if you can't use the physical mouse, you 
might not be able to use certain features on the site. Hopefully, the website 
is more accessible since the last time I tested it.
Best,
Marc

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On July 23, 2016 10:22:43 AM Mike Rogers via Talk  
wrote:

> I've been using Hope ap with Pandora.  The other day, some kind of error 
> popped up and it no longer works.  My computer tech can't get it to work 
> anymore.  I tried just going to Pandora, but W.E. won't take me to my music 
> stations.  Firefox won't give me much help as no mouse keys work.  How do you 
> use Pandora without the Hope ap.  Amy suggestions  appreciated.
>
> 
>
> www.harmonicaworkshops.com
> www.woodeneyemusic.com
>
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Re: Question about Itunes and Windoweyes

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I would suggest as many of you who are having problems with itunes contact:

Apple has specially trained tech support staff familiar with VoiceOver. If
you need help:
Phone: 877-204-3930
E-mail: accessibil...@apple.com

-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 5:49 AM
To: 'JOHN RIEHL' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Question about Itunes and Windoweyes

Hi John,

Actually, this is a very appropriate topic, as it involves the accessibility
of a commonly-used program.
I just tried this myself, and believe me, I appreciate your frustration with
these newest versions of iTunes.
At first, I couldn't see my playlists either, but then I tabbed around a
bit, came back to the list of playlist, arrowed down a bunch of times, and,
lo and behold, the playlists I created appeared mixed in with those you
mentioned.
That's the secret to this new version of iTunes:  tab around and arrow a
whole lot and things eventually appear.

Good luck,

Rod

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Of JOHN RIEHL via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 11:35 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Question about Itunes and Windoweyes

Beginning with this ent version of iTunes (actually the previous version,
since we just got an update), I have been unable to access any of my
playlists. I've got about ten made, but when I go into playlists all Is ee
are pre-set ones - Classical Music, 90's music, etc, that I didn't make.
What secret key do I need to press to get my playlists back?

Thanks. If this isn't a topic appropriate to this list, I apologize.

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Help with Pandora

[Mike Rogers via Talk]

I've been using Hope ap with Pandora.  The other day, some kind of error popped 
up and it no longer works.  My computer tech can't get it to work anymore.  I 
tried just going to Pandora, but W.E. won't take me to my music stations.  
Firefox won't give me much help as no mouse keys work.  How do you use Pandora 
without the Hope ap.  Amy suggestions  appreciated.



www.harmonicaworkshops.com
www.woodeneyemusic.com


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RE: strange speaking of character

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi David and Carol,

It's funny, but I just tested Kate, Paul and James, and I'm not seeing this
behavior.
I am using the current releases of these voices, however, as these are
bundled with the current version of K1000.
Perhaps this glitch was corrected with the current versions of these voices.

Hth,

Rod

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Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 4:19 AM
To: Carol and Roger ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
; Lloyd Rasmussen 
Subject: Re: strange speaking of character

Glad you got it figured out.

My guess is, even though wild, that you will experience similar issues,
should you change the I with a V or X in your sample line. V is the Roman
Number 5, and X is 10 - so your synth may read those numbers to you. Could
be interesting to know if this is the case. I did use to have Paul and Kate
installed, but currently don't, so cannot do the testing of my idea right
off-hand.

To handle the issue, my suggestion would be to install the Extended
Dictionary, since you then could make an entry that took care of a comma,
space and capitalized I sequence, and forced the voice to recognize that as
a legal English word. The basic exception dictionary of Window-Eyes won't
let you do this kind of tweaking, due to it not honoring non-textual
characters.


David

On 7/23/2016 2:59 AM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
> Thanks to the Window-Eyes staff and David, my problem has been solved. 
> First, I am using Neospeech Paul or Voiceware Paul, whichever you 
> choose to call the voice.  It appears the problem here is the comma 
> after the word "hi" and before the letter "I." If I break the line, it 
> says "i" and if I choose another voice, it says "i" meaning that the 
> VWPaul voice must have a feature which allows for Roman Numerals.  I 
> will also check my WE settings to see if there is another option.
> After playing with my settings, I have determined that the issue is 
> with the voice, not Window-Eyes. Thank you for the assistance, I am 
> sure.  OK, now that I have that figured out, the I after the comma 
> next to the word assistance, does say I, not one as I might expect, 
> grin. Anyway, it is no big deal, I just couldn't figure out why it was 
> saying one.  And, it has not done it anywhere else except in the 
> example I referred to earlier.  Everyone have a nice weekend.
>
> Carol
>
>
>
> On 7/22/2016 8:31 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:
>> Eloquence's pronunciation of many words does depend on the context. 
>> So I wouldn't be completely surprised if I was interpreted as a Roman 
>> numeral 1 in a few cases.
>>
>>
>>
>> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
>> http://lras.home.sprynet.com
>> -Original Message- From: David via Talk
>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 8:28 PM
>> To: Carol and Roger ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: strange speaking of character
>>
>> OK, I am using Eloquence, and Thunderbird. Reading to the end, or 
>> arrowing line by line, it doesn't matter - I do not see the behavior 
>> you are experiencing, sorry. Yet, I do appreciate that you may have 
>> another synthesizer, and you may have settings or even apps that 
>> could cause this kind of behavior, so the following will be of 
>> general interest, annd hence you will have to do a bit of playing to 
>> see what would help you out.
>>
>> Looking through the line in question, the main differences between 
>> the two I's, that I noticed, is that there is a comma at the end of 
>> the preceeding word of the first I. Now, if some ap you have 
>> installed, or even your synthesizer's firmware interprets a 
>> capitalized I in the beginning of a clause, should be pronounced as 
>> the Roman number 1, you are right at the core of the issue.
>>
>> Solutions?
>> My first go, would have been to copy the line in question to a blank 
>> document in something like Notepad. This so as to let you play around 
>> with it, without disturbing anything. try to edit the line, removing 
>> the comma, and then let the synthesizer read it out to you. Does the 
>> same behavior display? Try leaving the comma in place, but break the 
>> phrase into two different lines, that the first line will hold the 
>> text up to the comma, and the second line will start out with the 
>> first I. Arrow up and down, realizing how your synth will do the job.
>>
>> If any of the above would improve the speech, chances are that my 
>> guess had something to it - your screen reader interprets the first I 
>> as Roman number 1. Numerous reasons could play their role, the two 
>> main ones would be the synth used may have this kind of built-in 
>> interpretation, and the second one would be any apps you have 
>> installed. So try turning off any apps that may have an impact on 
>> your textual interpretation. I do know, there used to exist an app on 
>> App Central for 

RE: Question about Itunes and Windoweyes

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi John,

Actually, this is a very appropriate topic, as it involves the accessibility
of a commonly-used program.
I just tried this myself, and believe me, I appreciate your frustration with
these newest versions of iTunes.
At first, I couldn't see my playlists either, but then I tabbed around a
bit, came back to the list of playlist, arrowed down a bunch of times, and,
lo and behold, the playlists I created appeared mixed in with those you
mentioned.
That's the secret to this new version of iTunes:  tab around and arrow a
whole lot and things eventually appear.

Good luck,

Rod

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of JOHN RIEHL via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 11:35 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Question about Itunes and Windoweyes

Beginning with this ent version of iTunes (actually the previous version,
since we just got an update), I have been unable to access any of my
playlists. I've got about ten made, but when I go into playlists all Is ee
are pre-set ones - Classical Music, 90's music, etc, that I didn't make.
What secret key do I need to press to get my playlists back?

Thanks. If this isn't a topic appropriate to this list, I apologize. 

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Re: strange speaking of character

[David via Talk]

Glad you got it figured out.

My guess is, even though wild, that you will experience similar issues, 
should you change the I with a V or X in your sample line. V is the 
Roman Number 5, and X is 10 - so your synth may read those numbers to 
you. Could be interesting to know if this is the case. I did use to have 
Paul and Kate installed, but currently don't, so cannot do the testing 
of my idea right off-hand.


To handle the issue, my suggestion would be to install the Extended 
Dictionary, since you then could make an entry that took care of a 
comma, space and capitalized I sequence, and forced the voice to 
recognize that as a legal English word. The basic exception dictionary 
of Window-Eyes won't let you do this kind of tweaking, due to it not 
honoring non-textual characters.



David

On 7/23/2016 2:59 AM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
Thanks to the Window-Eyes staff and David, my problem has been solved. 
First, I am using Neospeech Paul or Voiceware Paul, whichever you 
choose to call the voice.  It appears the problem here is the comma 
after the word "hi" and before the letter "I." If I break the line, it 
says "i" and if I choose another voice, it says "i" meaning that the 
VWPaul voice must have a feature which allows for Roman Numerals.  I 
will also check my WE settings to see if there is another option.  
After playing with my settings, I have determined that the issue is 
with the voice, not Window-Eyes. Thank you for the assistance, I am 
sure.  OK, now that I have that figured out, the I after the comma 
next to the word assistance, does say I, not one as I might expect, 
grin. Anyway, it is no big deal, I just couldn't figure out why it was 
saying one.  And, it has not done it anywhere else except in the 
example I referred to earlier.  Everyone have a nice weekend.


Carol



On 7/22/2016 8:31 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:
Eloquence's pronunciation of many words does depend on the context. 
So I wouldn't be completely surprised if I was interpreted as a Roman 
numeral 1 in a few cases.




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- From: David via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 8:28 PM
To: Carol and Roger ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: strange speaking of character

OK, I am using Eloquence, and Thunderbird. Reading to the end, or
arrowing line by line, it doesn't matter - I do not see the behavior you
are experiencing, sorry. Yet, I do appreciate that you may have another
synthesizer, and you may have settings or even apps that could cause
this kind of behavior, so the following will be of general interest,
annd hence you will have to do a bit of playing to see what would help
you out.

Looking through the line in question, the main differences between the
two I's, that I noticed, is that there is a comma at the end of the
preceeding word of the first I. Now, if some ap you have installed, or
even your synthesizer's firmware interprets a capitalized I in the
beginning of a clause, should be pronounced as the Roman number 1, you
are right at the core of the issue.

Solutions?
My first go, would have been to copy the line in question to a blank
document in something like Notepad. This so as to let you play around
with it, without disturbing anything. try to edit the line, removing the
comma, and then let the synthesizer read it out to you. Does the same
behavior display? Try leaving the comma in place, but break the phrase
into two different lines, that the first line will hold the text up to
the comma, and the second line will start out with the first I. Arrow up
and down, realizing how your synth will do the job.

If any of the above would improve the speech, chances are that my guess
had something to it - your screen reader interprets the first I as Roman
number 1. Numerous reasons could play their role, the two main ones
would be the synth used may have this kind of built-in interpretation,
and the second one would be any apps you have installed. So try turning
off any apps that may have an impact on your textual interpretation. I
do know, there used to exist an app on App Central for making the speech
read out Roman numbers correctly, so if you happen to be a user of that
one, it might be one to turn off for the testing. And again, changing
the synth may be the whole solution worth.

Hope any of this would prove helpful in your tracing the reason for this
behavior. Like I said, I did not hear the pronunciation you described.
To me, both the I's were spoken properly as what they inreality are, the
capitalized letter I. this even if arrowed up and down, or left and
right through your sample line. There did exist no difference in the
pronunciation. Hence, you may have something in use on your system, that
causes this kind of behavior to come through.

Like others on the list, if you happen to trace a possible reason for
the behavior, would you mind to post the results to the list? At least
it would be of