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[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Yes.

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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[kitty hevener via Talk]

folks, please please let this topic die!  I'm getting carpel tunnel syndrome 
just hitting the delete key so many times.  Seriously, I think we have 
beaten this horse to death!!!


-Original Message- 
From: Bill Tillery via Talk

Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:47 PM
To: 'Chris Skarstad' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Yes, and thanks for stating this.  All the speculation is nothing until the
owners of the software say things have changed!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+trbft=mediacombb@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 11:18 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's the
thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my
friends...




On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still
selling it?  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai
Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.

-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
this tell you?

On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there FOLKS!

Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far as
I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for the
future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about
Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
APPRECIATE!. 


On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:

Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very good
job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job than
Window Eyes.

But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and
they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest
upgrade,
and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, andcx isn't
all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra $200.
Then
they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has
trouble
installing on more than one or two Systems.

And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something else
in my system that caused the system lock up.

I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves and
we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear Grandmother's eyes,
as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find her without someone
taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.

Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to do
with the desperation of many who are Blind.
  Here is something to think about-
I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a Quad
Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for
$250.

We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests
them
and puts them up for sale.
So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of
JAWS
is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.

When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as the
computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.

And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the owners,
and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem with a
Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to raise its
uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they believe the
Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting paid for by our
Government, the same government that will pay $600 for a Toilet Seat,
why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen Reader program? After all,
Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few people who are Blind can
afford it, with most living on minimum wage jobs, or some level of
Social Security.

JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than Window
Eyes, in some cases.

I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they
interacted with their customers.

I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of
people
to work and deal with when you needed to do so.  From the days of
DOS to
just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I 

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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

I called not too long ago to ask about buying a esp (the zt version of a
sma) for fusion the person on the phone words were "you might wanna buy one
sooner than later. so they'll sell you a sma, we and fusion. Whether you'll
get all you paid for under vfo? i'm not counting on it but y'all can be
optimistic.


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Dec 18, 2016 12:18 PM, "Bob Tinney via Talk" 
wrote:

> If VFO decides to stop  selling and supporting Window-Eyes because
> JAWS cost more,they will lose me as a customer as I can not stand JAWS at
> all!  I have Narrator and NVDA as backups and WE until it won't work
> anymore!
>
>
> Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net
>
> On 12/18/2016 12:17 PM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
>
>> until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's the
>> thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my
>> friends...
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

The problem isn't that you haven't received any hints, the problem is 
listers don't believe any reassurance we've received.  What you want is 
some sort of guarantee, and that' not the way business works.

On 12/18/2016 12:51 PM, bj colt via Talk wrote:
> Dear List,
>
> It is only natural to speculate about a program, most of us have used
> for a long time. In truth it isn't the fault of list members but that of
> VFO and ~Ai squared for not posting something positive about what is
> happening with Window-eyes.
>
> It really is as simple as that. If the list is being monitored by A I
> Squared staff and or maybe VFO staff. A slight hint, a positive message
> would go a long way to quell everyone's thoughts. I studied Public
> Relations at University and all I can say is that. This is the worst
> Public Relations I have ever come across to date. #No matter what
> happens this will affect both AI Squared and VFO for a long time to
> come. I truly don't understand it. One thing for sure is that, i'm glad
> I am not doing any Public Relations for either company at the oment.
>
> Live long and prosper, John
>
> -Original Message- From: Jim via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 5:35 PM
> To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> You know it's rumors and gosup
>
>  like this that creates a great deal more problems than it actualy
> solves.  So, when we here a rumor or a tid bit of gosup we should simply
> ignore it unless it comes directly from AISquared or VFO. Lets continue
> to use this list for what it was intended for, discussing Window-Eyes
> and issues pertaining to Window-Eyes.  Catch Ya Later! de
> .
> On 18-Dec-16 12:17, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
>> until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's
>> the thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my
>> friends...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>>> Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still
>>> selling it?  Pam.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
>>> To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>
>>>And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai
>>> Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
>>> To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>
>>> I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
>>> support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
>>> this tell you?
>>>
>>> On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
 Hi there FOLKS!

 Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far as
 I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
 future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
 obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for the
 future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about
 Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
 APPRECIATE!. 


 On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:
> Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very
> good
> job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job than
> Window Eyes.
>
> But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and
> they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest
> upgrade,
> and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, andcx isn't
> all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra $200.
> Then
> they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has
> trouble
> installing on more than one or two Systems.
>
> And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
> loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something
> else
> in my system that caused the system lock up.
>
> I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves and
> we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear Grandmother's
> eyes,
> as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find her without someone
> taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.
>
> Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to do
> with the desperation of many who are Blind.
>   Here is something to think about-
> I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a
> Quad
> Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for
> $250.
>
> We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests
> them
> and puts them 

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

If VFO decides to stop  selling and supporting Window-Eyes because 
JAWS cost more,they will lose me as a customer as I can not stand JAWS 
at all!  I have Narrator and NVDA as backups and WE until it won't work 
anymore!



Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 12/18/2016 12:17 PM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's 
the thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my 
friends...






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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[bj colt via Talk]

Dear List,

It is only natural to speculate about a program, most of us have used for a 
long time. In truth it isn't the fault of list members but that of VFO and 
~Ai squared for not posting something positive about what is happening with 
Window-eyes.


It really is as simple as that. If the list is being monitored by A I 
Squared staff and or maybe VFO staff. A slight hint, a positive message 
would go a long way to quell everyone's thoughts. I studied Public Relations 
at University and all I can say is that. This is the worst Public Relations 
I have ever come across to date. #No matter what happens this will affect 
both AI Squared and VFO for a long time to come. I truly don't understand 
it. One thing for sure is that, i'm glad I am not doing any Public Relations 
for either company at the oment.


Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message- 
From: Jim via Talk

Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 5:35 PM
To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

You know it's rumors and gosup

 like this that creates a great deal more problems than it actualy
solves.  So, when we here a rumor or a tid bit of gosup we should simply
ignore it unless it comes directly from AISquared or VFO. Lets continue
to use this list for what it was intended for, discussing Window-Eyes
and issues pertaining to Window-Eyes.  Catch Ya Later! de
.
On 18-Dec-16 12:17, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's the 
thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my 
friends...





On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still 
selling it?  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai
Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.

-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
this tell you?

On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there FOLKS!

Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far as
I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for the
future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about
Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
APPRECIATE!. 


On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:

Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very good
job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job than
Window Eyes.

But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and
they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest 
upgrade,

and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, andcx isn't
all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra $200.
Then
they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has 
trouble

installing on more than one or two Systems.

And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something else
in my system that caused the system lock up.

I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves and
we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear Grandmother's eyes,
as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find her without someone
taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.

Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to do
with the desperation of many who are Blind.
  Here is something to think about-
I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a Quad
Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for 
$250.


We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests 
them

and puts them up for sale.
So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of 
JAWS

is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.

When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as the
computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.

And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the owners,
and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem with a
Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to raise its
uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they believe the
Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting paid for by our
Government, the same 

RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Bill Tillery via Talk]

Yes, and thanks for stating this.  All the speculation is nothing until the
owners of the software say things have changed!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+trbft=mediacombb@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 11:18 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's the 
thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my 
friends...




On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
> Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still 
> selling it?  Pam.
>
> -Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
> To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
>And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai
> Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.
>
> -Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
> To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
> support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
> this tell you?
>
> On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
>> Hi there FOLKS!
>>
>> Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far as
>> I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
>> future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
>> obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for the
>> future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about
>> Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
>> APPRECIATE!. 
>>
>>
>> On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:
>>> Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very good
>>> job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job than
>>> Window Eyes.
>>>
>>> But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and
>>> they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest 
>>> upgrade,
>>> and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, andcx isn't
>>> all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra $200.
>>> Then
>>> they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has 
>>> trouble
>>> installing on more than one or two Systems.
>>>
>>> And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
>>> loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something else
>>> in my system that caused the system lock up.
>>>
>>> I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves and
>>> we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear Grandmother's eyes,
>>> as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find her without someone
>>> taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.
>>>
>>> Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to do
>>> with the desperation of many who are Blind.
>>>   Here is something to think about-
>>> I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a Quad
>>> Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for 
>>> $250.
>>>
>>> We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests 
>>> them
>>> and puts them up for sale.
>>> So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of 
>>> JAWS
>>> is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.
>>>
>>> When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as the
>>> computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.
>>>
>>> And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the owners,
>>> and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem with a
>>> Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to raise its
>>> uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they believe the
>>> Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting paid for by our
>>> Government, the same government that will pay $600 for a Toilet Seat,
>>> why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen Reader program? After all,
>>> Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few people who are Blind can
>>> afford it, with most living on minimum wage jobs, or some level of
>>> Social Security.
>>>
>>> JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than Window
>>> Eyes, in some cases.
>>>
>>> I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they
>>> interacted with their customers.
>>>
>>> I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of 
>>> people
>>> to work and deal with when you needed to do so.  From the days of 
>>> DOS to
>>> just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I Squared  I felt their
>>> customer service and program 

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Jim via Talk]

You know it's rumors and gosup

 like this that creates a great deal more problems than it actualy 
solves.  So, when we here a rumor or a tid bit of gosup we should simply 
ignore it unless it comes directly from AISquared or VFO. Lets continue 
to use this list for what it was intended for, discussing Window-Eyes 
and issues pertaining to Window-Eyes.  Catch Ya Later! de

.
On 18-Dec-16 12:17, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's 
the thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my 
friends...





On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still 
selling it?  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai
Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.

-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
this tell you?

On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there FOLKS!

Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far as
I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for the
future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about
Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
APPRECIATE!. 


On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:
Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very 
good

job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job than
Window Eyes.

But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and
they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest 
upgrade,

and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, andcx isn't
all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra $200.
Then
they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has 
trouble

installing on more than one or two Systems.

And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something 
else

in my system that caused the system lock up.

I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves and
we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear Grandmother's 
eyes,

as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find her without someone
taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.

Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to do
with the desperation of many who are Blind.
  Here is something to think about-
I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a 
Quad
Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for 
$250.


We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests 
them

and puts them up for sale.
So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of 
JAWS

is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.

When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as the
computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.

And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the owners,
and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem with a
Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to raise its
uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they believe the
Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting paid for by our
Government, the same government that will pay $600 for a Toilet Seat,
why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen Reader program? After all,
Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few people who are Blind can
afford it, with most living on minimum wage jobs, or some level of
Social Security.

JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than Window
Eyes, in some cases.

I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they
interacted with their customers.

I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of 
people
to work and deal with when you needed to do so.  From the days of 
DOS to

just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I Squared  I felt their
customer service and program support was very very good. And there 
were

times when the guys could not fix what ever my issue was at the time.
But, they didn't just ignore my situation, or mock me for having a
problem.

I almost always found Window Eyes to be a very reliable program, 
and so

when I did have those times when my 

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's the 
thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my 
friends...





On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still 
selling it?  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai
Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.

-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
this tell you?

On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there FOLKS!

Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far as
I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for the
future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about
Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
APPRECIATE!. 


On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:

Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very good
job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job than
Window Eyes.

But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and
they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest 
upgrade,

and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, andcx isn't
all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra $200.
Then
they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has 
trouble

installing on more than one or two Systems.

And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something else
in my system that caused the system lock up.

I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves and
we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear Grandmother's eyes,
as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find her without someone
taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.

Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to do
with the desperation of many who are Blind.
  Here is something to think about-
I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a Quad
Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for 
$250.


We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests 
them

and puts them up for sale.
So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of 
JAWS

is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.

When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as the
computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.

And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the owners,
and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem with a
Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to raise its
uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they believe the
Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting paid for by our
Government, the same government that will pay $600 for a Toilet Seat,
why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen Reader program? After all,
Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few people who are Blind can
afford it, with most living on minimum wage jobs, or some level of
Social Security.

JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than Window
Eyes, in some cases.

I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they
interacted with their customers.

I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of 
people
to work and deal with when you needed to do so.  From the days of 
DOS to

just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I Squared  I felt their
customer service and program support was very very good.  And there 
were

times when the guys could not fix what ever my issue was at the time.
But, they didn't just ignore my situation, or mock me for having a
problem.

I almost always found Window Eyes to be a very reliable program, and so
when I did have those times when my system would freeze or lock up, I
was prone to think it was Internet Exploder, or some other program,
including Windows Itself  to be the culprit before I considered the
Screen Reader.   That is the very high level of reliability I came to
expect from GW Micro, because that is what they produced for years.

Today, I do not have the same degree of Faith in those who run GW 
Micro.

And I do not know if this is only because some of the old 

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still selling 
it?  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai
Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.

-Original Message- 
From: brice Mijares via Talk

Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
this tell you?

On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there FOLKS!

Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far as
I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for the
future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about
Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
APPRECIATE!. 


On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:

Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very good
job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job than
Window Eyes.

But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and
they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest upgrade,
and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, andcx isn't
all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra $200.
Then
they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has trouble
installing on more than one or two Systems.

And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something else
in my system that caused the system lock up.

I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves and
we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear Grandmother's eyes,
as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find her without someone
taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.

Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to do
with the desperation of many who are Blind.
  Here is something to think about-
I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a Quad
Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for $250.

We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests them
and puts them up for sale.
So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of JAWS
is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.

When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as the
computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.

And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the owners,
and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem with a
Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to raise its
uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they believe the
Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting paid for by our
Government, the same government that will pay $600 for a Toilet Seat,
why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen Reader program?After all,
Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few people who are Blind can
afford it, with most living on minimum wage jobs, or some level of
Social Security.

JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than Window
Eyes, in some cases.

I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they
interacted with their customers.

I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of people
to work and deal with when you needed to do so.  From the days of DOS to
just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I Squared  I felt their
customer service and program support was very very good.  And there were
times when the guys could not fix what ever my issue was at the time.
But, they didn't just ignore my situation, or mock me for having a
problem.

I almost always found Window Eyes to be a very reliable program, and so
when I did have those times when my system would freeze or lock up, I
was prone to think it was Internet Exploder, or some other program,
including Windows Itself  to be the culprit before I considered the
Screen Reader.   That is the very high level of reliability I came to
expect from GW Micro, because that is what they produced for years.

Today, I do not have the same degree of Faith in those who run GW Micro.
And I do not know if this is only because some of the old staff are now
gone, and those replacing them are not quite as good, or if what I sense
is the hand of the Parent Company influencing how those who still work
at GW Micro do their jobs.  And now that A I Squared has been 

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Jim via Talk]

Actually I will phone support with questions and when I do I always get 
my problems resolved.  I actually did send support a couple emails in 
the last month and both times I got a response within approximately 7 to 
10 days.  The Number I call is (260)489-3671 and press option 3.  
Generally The operater will come on and ask how she can direct your call 
and also ask for your name.  I give my name and then tell her I wish to 
speak with someone in tech support and she connects me right up.  Not 
certain of the number that Pam is using, but I presume she has had a 
similar experience.  BTW, There have been times that I simply left a 
message and they got back to me the same day or at the latest the next 
day.  Good Luck BRICE! and Have A Great Day! de


.


On 18-Dec-16 11:32, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
I never emaille support.  I always get on the phone to them, so I can 
talk one on one with somebody.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 9:35 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
this tell you?

On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there FOLKS!

Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far as
I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for the
future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about
Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
APPRECIATE!. 


On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:

Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very good
job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job than
Window Eyes.

But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and
they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest 
upgrade,

and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, andcx isn't
all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra $200.
Then
they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has 
trouble

installing on more than one or two Systems.

And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something else
in my system that caused the system lock up.

I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves and
we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear Grandmother's eyes,
as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find her without someone
taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.

Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to do
with the desperation of many who are Blind.
  Here is something to think about-
I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a Quad
Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for 
$250.


We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests 
them

and puts them up for sale.
So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of 
JAWS

is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.

When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as the
computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.

And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the owners,
and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem with a
Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to raise its
uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they believe the
Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting paid for by our
Government, the same government that will pay $600 for a Toilet Seat,
why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen Reader program? After all,
Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few people who are Blind can
afford it, with most living on minimum wage jobs, or some level of
Social Security.

JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than Window
Eyes, in some cases.

I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they
interacted with their customers.

I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of 
people
to work and deal with when you needed to do so.  From the days of 
DOS to

just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I Squared  I felt their
customer service and program support was very very good.  And there 
were

times when the guys could not fix what ever my issue was at the time.
But, they didn't just ignore my situation, or mock me for having a
problem.

I almost always found Window Eyes to be a very reliable program, and so
when I did have those times when my system would freeze or lock up, I
was prone to think it was Internet Exploder, or some other program,
including Windows Itself  to be 

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I never emaille support.  I always get on the phone to them, so I can talk 
one on one with somebody.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: brice Mijares via Talk

Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 9:35 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
this tell you?

On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there FOLKS!

Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far as
I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for the
future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about
Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
APPRECIATE!. 


On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:

Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very good
job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job than
Window Eyes.

But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and
they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest upgrade,
and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, andcx isn't
all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra $200.
Then
they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has trouble
installing on more than one or two Systems.

And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something else
in my system that caused the system lock up.

I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves and
we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear Grandmother's eyes,
as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find her without someone
taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.

Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to do
with the desperation of many who are Blind.
  Here is something to think about-
I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a Quad
Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for $250.

We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests them
and puts them up for sale.
So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of JAWS
is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.

When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as the
computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.

And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the owners,
and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem with a
Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to raise its
uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they believe the
Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting paid for by our
Government, the same government that will pay $600 for a Toilet Seat,
why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen Reader program?After all,
Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few people who are Blind can
afford it, with most living on minimum wage jobs, or some level of
Social Security.

JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than Window
Eyes, in some cases.

I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they
interacted with their customers.

I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of people
to work and deal with when you needed to do so.  From the days of DOS to
just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I Squared  I felt their
customer service and program support was very very good.  And there were
times when the guys could not fix what ever my issue was at the time.
But, they didn't just ignore my situation, or mock me for having a
problem.

I almost always found Window Eyes to be a very reliable program, and so
when I did have those times when my system would freeze or lock up, I
was prone to think it was Internet Exploder, or some other program,
including Windows Itself  to be the culprit before I considered the
Screen Reader.   That is the very high level of reliability I came to
expect from GW Micro, because that is what they produced for years.

Today, I do not have the same degree of Faith in those who run GW Micro.
And I do not know if this is only because some of the old staff are now
gone, and those replacing them are not quite as good, or if what I sense
is the hand of the Parent Company influencing how those who still work
at GW Micro do their jobs.  And now that A I Squared has been swallowed
by the Parent Company of JAWS, there is even a greater distance theTop
decision makers  have from the every day user of Window Eyes.So it
takes longer and longer to fix problems, or to make alterations to
Window Eyes etc.

Personally, I need a powerful Screen Reader.  I use NVDA on occasion,

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

   And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai 
Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.


-Original Message- 
From: brice Mijares via Talk

Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
this tell you?

On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there FOLKS!

Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far as
I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for the
future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about
Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
APPRECIATE!. 


On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:

Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very good
job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job than
Window Eyes.

But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and
they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest upgrade,
and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, andcx isn't
all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra $200.
Then
they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has trouble
installing on more than one or two Systems.

And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something else
in my system that caused the system lock up.

I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves and
we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear Grandmother's eyes,
as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find her without someone
taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.

Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to do
with the desperation of many who are Blind.
  Here is something to think about-
I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a Quad
Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for $250.

We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests them
and puts them up for sale.
So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of JAWS
is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.

When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as the
computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.

And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the owners,
and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem with a
Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to raise its
uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they believe the
Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting paid for by our
Government, the same government that will pay $600 for a Toilet Seat,
why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen Reader program?After all,
Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few people who are Blind can
afford it, with most living on minimum wage jobs, or some level of
Social Security.

JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than Window
Eyes, in some cases.

I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they
interacted with their customers.

I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of people
to work and deal with when you needed to do so.  From the days of DOS to
just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I Squared  I felt their
customer service and program support was very very good.  And there were
times when the guys could not fix what ever my issue was at the time.
But, they didn't just ignore my situation, or mock me for having a
problem.

I almost always found Window Eyes to be a very reliable program, and so
when I did have those times when my system would freeze or lock up, I
was prone to think it was Internet Exploder, or some other program,
including Windows Itself  to be the culprit before I considered the
Screen Reader.   That is the very high level of reliability I came to
expect from GW Micro, because that is what they produced for years.

Today, I do not have the same degree of Faith in those who run GW Micro.
And I do not know if this is only because some of the old staff are now
gone, and those replacing them are not quite as good, or if what I sense
is the hand of the Parent Company influencing how those who still work
at GW Micro do their jobs.  And now that A I Squared has been swallowed
by the Parent Company of JAWS, there is even a greater distance theTop
decision makers  have from the every day user of Window Eyes.So it
takes longer and longer to fix problems, or to make alterations to
Window Eyes etc.

Personally, I need a powerful 

RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

You were responded to directly on this list, why reply to the same question 
twice?
It was about your default set being loaded in file explorer.  This is correct.

Chris



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 9:35 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent support a 
question and still haven't heard back from them. What does this tell you?

On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
> Hi there FOLKS!
>
> Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far 
> as I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
> future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
> obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for 
> the future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about 
> Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY 
> APPRECIATE!. 
>
>
> On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:
>> Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very 
>> good job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job 
>> than Window Eyes.
>>
>> But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and 
>> they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest 
>> upgrade, and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, 
>> andcx isn't all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra 
>> $200.
>> Then
>> they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has 
>> trouble installing on more than one or two Systems.
>>
>> And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I 
>> loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something 
>> else in my system that caused the system lock up.
>>
>> I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves 
>> and we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear Grandmother's 
>> eyes, as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find her without 
>> someone taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.
>>
>> Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to do 
>> with the desperation of many who are Blind.
>>   Here is something to think about-
>> I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a 
>> Quad Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for 
>> $250.
>>
>> We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests 
>> them and puts them up for sale.
>> So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of 
>> JAWS is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.
>>
>> When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as the 
>> computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.
>>
>> And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the owners, 
>> and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem with a 
>> Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to raise its 
>> uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they believe 
>> the Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting paid for 
>> by our Government, the same government that will pay $600 for a Toilet Seat,
>> why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen Reader program?After all,
>> Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few people who are Blind can 
>> afford it, with most living on minimum wage jobs, or some level of 
>> Social Security.
>>
>> JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than 
>> Window Eyes, in some cases.
>>
>> I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they 
>> interacted with their customers.
>>
>> I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of 
>> people to work and deal with when you needed to do so.  From the days 
>> of DOS to just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I Squared  I 
>> felt their customer service and program support was very very good.  
>> And there were times when the guys could not fix what ever my issue was at 
>> the time.
>> But, they didn't just ignore my situation, or mock me for having a 
>> problem.
>>
>> I almost always found Window Eyes to be a very reliable program, and 
>> so when I did have those times when my system would freeze or lock 
>> up, I was prone to think it was Internet Exploder, or some other 
>> program, including Windows Itself  to be the culprit before I considered the
>> Screen Reader.   That is the very high level of reliability I came to
>> expect from GW Micro, because that is what they produced for years.
>>
>> Today, I do not have the same degree of Faith in those who run GW Micro.
>> And I do not know if this is only because some of the old staff are 
>> now gone, and those replacing them are not quite as good, or if what 

RE: Reminder: Helping Out On The List

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Please do not ever be afraid or allow yourself to be haunted by fear when it
comes to posting questions here!  I am not an expert on anything, but, if I
have the answer to a question, I'll shout it out from the mountain tops.
We're all here to help each other get better at using our favourite screen
reader; some will do a good job, others may elect to pull their snipers'
triggers!  I say run with the former, leave the latter alone.  What's
important is that the question asked gets an answer.  

Sincerely,
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Re: Reminder: Helping Out On The List

[via Talk]

I agree i have asked questions on other lists and have had some rude comment 
for an answer and that does make me not want to post to the list with my 
questions because i am afraid i will get yelled at 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 18, 2016, at 5:48 AM, Diana Kube via Talk  
> wrote:
> 
> Many thanks for your comments Dave. Having asked a simple question a year or
> so ago and receiving uninformative replies and personally directed
> derogatory comments from a person whom I have never met, I have hesitated to
> aske for other information, preferring to find out for myself, even if that
> means making a number of errors on the way. This has seemed a deal better
> than  having to deal with non-relevant, abusive responses to what are
> reasonable requests for advice.
> 
> 
> Diana
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+kube=netspace.net...@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of David via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, 18 December 2016 6:52 PM
> To: WE English Mailinglist 
> Subject: Reminder: Helping Out On The List
> 
> Listers,
> Every now and then, we see someone asking a polite question here, and then a
> load of more or less "useless" - sometimes nearly abrupt replies.
> 
> Say a person asks
> "what is the better choice for an AntiVirus", and the reply goes
> something like:
> "BlahBlah is crabware".
> 
> First of all, the reply was of absolutely no use to the person asking. 
> Long as you did not tell WHY you think the software is of no use, has lacks
> of accessibility, or the customer service is minimal. Very likely, the
> person did ask, because they were wondering. Perhaps you are not all that
> eloquent, and you do not have the time to write 10 pages for an answer. But
> a few relevant points of information, on why you feel the way you do, would
> have made a far better education for the recipient.
> 
> Further, the person likely did call for facts. Or, at least some experience.
> If they were asking for rumors - or running words - they would have gone
> anywhere else. Again, for the illustrative purpose, someone recently asked:
> "What is wrong with Jaws, compared with Win-Eyes?"
> One reply simply stated:
> "Because Jaws is crabware."
> I did not find that informative. Likely, neither did the person raising the
> question. Had the user specified a few things that would be wrong with the
> software asked for, it at least could have helped someone in their choice
> making. All I can read out of such a statement, is that the replier did have
> little self-obtained experience, and likely just have learned to repeat a
> running word.
> 
> In general, I do see that, not only on this list, blind people always tend
> to think THEIR INDIVIDUAL choice of a product, is the ONE AND ONLY right
> thing. Sorry. There is no such. Could we please be respectful, and accept
> the fact that others might have numerous reasons for not making the same
> choice, or feel the same way about a product. If they did, why would they
> ask in the first place?
> 
> Lastly, may I be allowed to bring out a polite request.
> The computer market is overflowing with different brands and models -
> software as well as hardware. And there exists a true jungle of dealers,
> manufacturers and other company names, in the same market. In addition, keep
> in mind please, that this list is International, meaning that what you will
> know locally, might be totally new info for the ones reading your message.
> 
> Now, if you use "replacement names", or nicknames of more or less flattering
> characteristics, the reader might start to wonder if he has missed out on
> some important product. No matter if we like a brand name or not,
> independent of whether you agree in the product name or not - the
> manufacturer has decided to promote his product with ONE specific name. Did
> he name it Jaws, then its name is Jaws, and should be refered to as such in
> all messages. Is the company name FREEDOM whatever, it should not be changed
> to GREEDOM or anything else.
> 
> Again, people out of other cultures and locations, might loose out on your
> point. They could for instance be aware to not buy "the shark", because you
> had warned against it; and still buy Jaws, since you did never mention that
> one. Besides, it is totally disrespectful to the manufacturer, to not honor
> the name they have chosen. You likely would not appreciate someone renaming
> you, in an attempt to bring dishonor to you as a person.
> 
> Listers, I am open for the sharing of factual information. I do appreciate
> an informative, even short and concise answer to questions. 
> Should you have personal opinions, please keep them to facts, and back them
> up with some realities, or experiences. Welcome to share all your
> experiences with a product or company, good or worse, but bring us some REAL
> stuff, please.
> 
> 
> If you do not have any other to say, than just putting out silly utterances,

RE: Reminder: Helping Out On The List

[Diana Kube via Talk]

Many thanks for your comments Dave. Having asked a simple question a year or
so ago and receiving uninformative replies and personally directed
derogatory comments from a person whom I have never met, I have hesitated to
aske for other information, preferring to find out for myself, even if that
means making a number of errors on the way. This has seemed a deal better
than  having to deal with non-relevant, abusive responses to what are
reasonable requests for advice.


Diana
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+kube=netspace.net...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of David via Talk
Sent: Sunday, 18 December 2016 6:52 PM
To: WE English Mailinglist 
Subject: Reminder: Helping Out On The List

Listers,
Every now and then, we see someone asking a polite question here, and then a
load of more or less "useless" - sometimes nearly abrupt replies.

Say a person asks
 "what is the better choice for an AntiVirus", and the reply goes
something like:
 "BlahBlah is crabware".

First of all, the reply was of absolutely no use to the person asking. 
Long as you did not tell WHY you think the software is of no use, has lacks
of accessibility, or the customer service is minimal. Very likely, the
person did ask, because they were wondering. Perhaps you are not all that
eloquent, and you do not have the time to write 10 pages for an answer. But
a few relevant points of information, on why you feel the way you do, would
have made a far better education for the recipient.

Further, the person likely did call for facts. Or, at least some experience.
If they were asking for rumors - or running words - they would have gone
anywhere else. Again, for the illustrative purpose, someone recently asked:
 "What is wrong with Jaws, compared with Win-Eyes?"
One reply simply stated:
 "Because Jaws is crabware."
I did not find that informative. Likely, neither did the person raising the
question. Had the user specified a few things that would be wrong with the
software asked for, it at least could have helped someone in their choice
making. All I can read out of such a statement, is that the replier did have
little self-obtained experience, and likely just have learned to repeat a
running word.

In general, I do see that, not only on this list, blind people always tend
to think THEIR INDIVIDUAL choice of a product, is the ONE AND ONLY right
thing. Sorry. There is no such. Could we please be respectful, and accept
the fact that others might have numerous reasons for not making the same
choice, or feel the same way about a product. If they did, why would they
ask in the first place?

Lastly, may I be allowed to bring out a polite request.
The computer market is overflowing with different brands and models -
software as well as hardware. And there exists a true jungle of dealers,
manufacturers and other company names, in the same market. In addition, keep
in mind please, that this list is International, meaning that what you will
know locally, might be totally new info for the ones reading your message.

Now, if you use "replacement names", or nicknames of more or less flattering
characteristics, the reader might start to wonder if he has missed out on
some important product. No matter if we like a brand name or not,
independent of whether you agree in the product name or not - the
manufacturer has decided to promote his product with ONE specific name. Did
he name it Jaws, then its name is Jaws, and should be refered to as such in
all messages. Is the company name FREEDOM whatever, it should not be changed
to GREEDOM or anything else.

Again, people out of other cultures and locations, might loose out on your
point. They could for instance be aware to not buy "the shark", because you
had warned against it; and still buy Jaws, since you did never mention that
one. Besides, it is totally disrespectful to the manufacturer, to not honor
the name they have chosen. You likely would not appreciate someone renaming
you, in an attempt to bring dishonor to you as a person.

Listers, I am open for the sharing of factual information. I do appreciate
an informative, even short and concise answer to questions. 
Should you have personal opinions, please keep them to facts, and back them
up with some realities, or experiences. Welcome to share all your
experiences with a product or company, good or worse, but bring us some REAL
stuff, please.


If you do not have any other to say, than just putting out silly utterances,
may I remind you: The list has quite an amount of traffic already.

Please, do take this as a friendly wanting, from one of the list-members.
Just find it devastating to read loads of messages, with people dashing one
another, or any company or product they just happen to not enjoy for the
moment. The ones subscribing to this list, are all enjoying Window-Eyes for
their screen reader. But that does not dictate that everything else is out
of question. Many users have found it 

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Ten years is a long time to use a product you don't like.  Did you not 
know about WE when you first purchased Jaws, or did the quality of Jaws 
decrease over the years?

On 12/17/2016 6:15 PM, Bryan Peterson via Talk wrote:
> Because the Shark is a piece of crap. I used it for ten or twelve years 
> before I switched to WE and hated it. I will never go back.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 3:09 PM, Veronica Smith  wrote:
>>
>> Why not use the shark? I've only ever used WE so don't know much about that
>> fish. Tell me why or why not. V
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+madison_tewe=spinn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
>> Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 3:19 AM
>> To: Tom Kingston; Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>
>> I for one have already been working on getting more familiar with NVDA,
>> mostly because for the life of me I still cannot get my version of WE to
>> read documents in Word 2010 despite trying the steps in the various related
>> articles in the knowledge base and NVDA will read them. I do hope that WE
>> will continue to be around but I'm preparing for the worst by trying to
>> learn NVDA. I absolutely will not go back to using the Shark.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Tom Kingston via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 10:52 PM
>> To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>
>> Pam,
>>
>> User windows are a very powerful feature that are really more or less
>> scripting in another form. Unfortunately everyone ignored them because
>> they weren't called scripting.
>>
>> You can create standard windows relative to screen coordinates or
>> floating windows that automatically adjust their coordinates based on
>> several different things. You can make them speak with a hot key or make
>> them speak automatically or make them silent. You can tie them to
>> specific colors, have them watch for highlighting, or not, and on and on.
>>
>> Then there are hyperactive windows. These monitor the defined area in
>> many different ways and can react in many different ways, e.g. say
>> something, speak a window, execute a hot key, load a set file, and on
>> and on.
>>
>> I remember how everyone was so excited when scripting was introduced. I
>> only shook my head thinking we had a lot of that power from the
>> beginning through these windows. It was amazing how some jumped on
>> scripting while prior to its introduction everyone seemed to scream and
>> run every time I mentioned user windows.
>>
>> You won't even see them in the control panel unless "Show advanced
>> options" is checked under the Help menu.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>> On 11/28/2016 8:51 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>>> Okay, at the risk of sounding stupid:  what are these user windows you
>>> are talking about?  pam.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Dave via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 6:10 PM
>>> To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>
>>> I Miss a big big feature  that is no longer in the version 9.X of Window
>>> eyes.  I use those User Windows, in a couple of Set Files I've created
>>> for a couple of programs I use.  Without those User Windows, Window Eyes
>>> 9.x does not give me the same abilities as Window Eyes 8.X This for the
>>> way I use Window Eyes is going backwards.
>>>
>>> This next one is a personal preference, but the way version 9.X Copies
>>> Text on the Internet is not to my liking.It is not Windows Standard.
>>> I find the New way to copy text a bit Funky, and I tend to get more text
>>> than I want.
>>>
>>>
>>> I dislike other minor issues in Version 9.X, and so it isn't a matter of
>>> going backwards, but more of a consistency issue.
>>>
>>> I suspect the problem I occasionally have is a Script problem, and not
>>> so much a Window Eyes problem.  From time to time, I have major problems
>>> using Gold Wave 6 in Windows 10.
>>>
>>> I no longer have the ability to Read to End when reading Email in Becky.
>>>
>>> When in File Explorer, I cannot use the Send To feature because either
>>> the Script is not reading what Drives I have available, or Windows 10 is
>>> not displaying the Drives.
>>>
 From time to time, the drives are read by Window Eyes, but only one time.
>>> If I want to send another file, then the Drives no longer are shown, or
>>> read by Window Eyes 9.5.
>>>
>>> This last problem started after downloading the Anniversary Edition of
>>> Windows 10.
>>>
>>> These last three issues are probably Script issues.  Either they did not
>>> load correctly, or once loaded, failed to work properly.  But, if there
>>> is no more development on Window Eyes, it is small stuff like this that
>>> never will be fixed. And it is little stuff like this that will force me
>>> to buy JAWS or some other 

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

To be fair, a new copy of WE isn't significantly less expensive than 
Jaws.  That said, price was a contributing factor in my decision to 
purchase WE back in 2001.  Back then, I paid basically the same price 
for my PC as I did for WE.  The only reason PCs have gone significantly 
down in price is the market isn't all that interested.

On 12/17/2016 8:27 PM, Dave via Talk wrote:
> Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very good
> job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job than
> Window Eyes.
>
> But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and
> they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest upgrade,
> and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, andcx isn't
> all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra $200.  Then
> they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has trouble
> installing on more than one or two Systems.
>
> And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
> loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something else
> in my system that caused the system lock up.
>
> I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves and
> we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear Grandmother's eyes,
> as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find her without someone
> taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.
>
> Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to do
> with the desperation of many who are Blind.
>  Here is something to think about-
> I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a Quad
> Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for $250.
>
> We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests them
> and puts them up for sale.
> So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of JAWS
> is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.
>
> When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as the
> computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.
>
> And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the owners,
> and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem with a
> Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to raise its
> uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they believe the
> Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting paid for by our
> Government, the same government that will pay $600 for a Toilet Seat,
> why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen Reader program?After all,
> Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few people who are Blind can
> afford it, with most living on minimum wage jobs, or some level of
> Social Security.
>
> JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than Window
> Eyes, in some cases.
>
> I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they
> interacted with their customers.
>
> I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of people
> to work and deal with when you needed to do so.  From the days of DOS to
> just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I Squared  I felt their
> customer service and program support was very very good.  And there were
> times when the guys could not fix what ever my issue was at the time.
> But, they didn't just ignore my situation, or mock me for having a
> problem.
>
> I almost always found Window Eyes to be a very reliable program, and so
> when I did have those times when my system would freeze or lock up, I
> was prone to think it was Internet Exploder, or some other program,
> including Windows Itself  to be the culprit before I considered the
> Screen Reader.   That is the very high level of reliability I came to
> expect from GW Micro, because that is what they produced for years.
>
> Today, I do not have the same degree of Faith in those who run GW Micro.
> And I do not know if this is only because some of the old staff are now
> gone, and those replacing them are not quite as good, or if what I sense
> is the hand of the Parent Company influencing how those who still work
> at GW Micro do their jobs.  And now that A I Squared has been swallowed
> by the Parent Company of JAWS, there is even a greater distance theTop
> decision makers  have from the every day user of Window Eyes.So it
> takes longer and longer to fix problems, or to make alterations to
> Window Eyes etc.
>
> Personally, I need a powerful Screen Reader.  I use NVDA on occasion,
> but it is not powerful enough to do everything I need from a Screen
> Reader.  There may come a Day when I must buy my own copy of JAWS.  I
> won't like it, but if they are the only Game in town, then what choice
> do I have?I will reluctantly make my purchase.
>
> Grumpy Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

It tells me nothing.  While I admit I have rarely e-mailed "support," I 
found much more success with phone support than e-mail.

On 12/17/2016 9:35 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
> I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
> support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
> this tell you?
>
> On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
>> Hi there FOLKS!
>>
>> Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far as
>> I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
>> future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
>> obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for the
>> future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about
>> Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
>> APPRECIATE!. 
>>
>>
>> On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:
>>> Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very good
>>> job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job than
>>> Window Eyes.
>>>
>>> But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and
>>> they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest
>>> upgrade,
>>> and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, andcx isn't
>>> all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra $200.
>>> Then
>>> they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has trouble
>>> installing on more than one or two Systems.
>>>
>>> And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
>>> loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something else
>>> in my system that caused the system lock up.
>>>
>>> I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves and
>>> we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear Grandmother's eyes,
>>> as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find her without someone
>>> taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.
>>>
>>> Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to do
>>> with the desperation of many who are Blind.
>>>   Here is something to think about-
>>> I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a Quad
>>> Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for
>>> $250.
>>>
>>> We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests them
>>> and puts them up for sale.
>>> So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of JAWS
>>> is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.
>>>
>>> When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as the
>>> computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.
>>>
>>> And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the owners,
>>> and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem with a
>>> Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to raise its
>>> uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they believe the
>>> Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting paid for by our
>>> Government, the same government that will pay $600 for a Toilet Seat,
>>> why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen Reader program?After
>>> all,
>>> Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few people who are Blind can
>>> afford it, with most living on minimum wage jobs, or some level of
>>> Social Security.
>>>
>>> JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than Window
>>> Eyes, in some cases.
>>>
>>> I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they
>>> interacted with their customers.
>>>
>>> I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of people
>>> to work and deal with when you needed to do so.  From the days of DOS to
>>> just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I Squared  I felt their
>>> customer service and program support was very very good.  And there were
>>> times when the guys could not fix what ever my issue was at the time.
>>> But, they didn't just ignore my situation, or mock me for having a
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> I almost always found Window Eyes to be a very reliable program, and so
>>> when I did have those times when my system would freeze or lock up, I
>>> was prone to think it was Internet Exploder, or some other program,
>>> including Windows Itself  to be the culprit before I considered the
>>> Screen Reader.   That is the very high level of reliability I came to
>>> expect from GW Micro, because that is what they produced for years.
>>>
>>> Today, I do not have the same degree of Faith in those who run GW Micro.
>>> And I do not know if this is only because some of the old staff are now
>>> gone, and those replacing them are not quite as good, or if what I sense
>>> is the hand of the Parent Company influencing how those who still work
>>> at GW Micro do their jobs.  And now that A I Squared has been swallowed
>>> by the Parent Company of JAWS, there is even a greater distance theTop
>>>