Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4 not an update

[Peter Duran via Talk]

As somebody else pointed out already.  This is a patch only. No bugs are fixed 
and no new enhancements are included.

Peter Duran
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Re: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4 - THANK YOU!

[Dave via Talk]

At least our complaints actually have something to do with Window Eyes,
unlike your complaint.  

Grumpy Dave


-- 
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Registry Cleaner

[via Talk]

A little off topic, but what is the best accessible registry cleaner and
will it also repair the registry?  I attempted  installing the new WE
9.5.4 update and the install failed with a 0x80040707 unhandled
exception error.  I talked with the WinEyes Support and they had no idea
what it could be.  A google search had a little info on it and suggested
a register clean and repair might fix it.
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Re: recycle bin

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

arrow down once and then arrow back, that will select it, then press 
enter on it, and you should be good to go.


On 1/19/2017 5:17 PM, Jerrie Ricks via Talk wrote:

   My desktop has no response for recycle bin. My desktop starts
with the item. My question is, How can I get to the recycle bin?

-Original Message- From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 5:01 PM
To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Chris Grabowski

Where did you get that?  I have never heard anything like that, and I am a
member of it.  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 3:27 PM
To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Chris Grabowski

The NFB has been in bed with Jaws for years and have openly been against
Window eyes. Want to thank them now or just wait till it's over?

-Original Message- From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 2:22 PM
To: Reeva Webb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Chris Grabowski

So Chris is gone along with all the others who used to monitor the list.
 So I think we are down to Doug and I would not expect him to take up
all the slack for all the others who have left.  I also am on the Open
Book users list and it is a known fact that no monitoring of the list is
done by FS.

On 1/19/2017 1:14 PM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:

Are there any staff monitoring the list from ai2/vfo now?


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Jan 19, 2017 12:56 PM, "Chris G via Talk" 
wrote:


Hi Don,
My last day with ai squared was December 30.  It was my choice as I
didn't
have time to build Mystic Access, creating tutorials etc  It was also my
choice to leave quietly
I really didn't want to make a big announcement.  That is just me, I
fade
away into the sunset. (smile)



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From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Thursday, Jan 19, 2017 9:27 AM EST
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Subject: Chris Grabowski

Has Chris Grabowski also left the Window Eyes team?  A Emaiil directly
to him gets no response and have not seen any postings from him for a
while.
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recycle bin

[Jerrie Ricks via Talk]

   My desktop has no response for recycle bin. My desktop starts with 
the item. My question is, How can I get to the recycle bin?


-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 5:01 PM
To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Chris Grabowski

Where did you get that?  I have never heard anything like that, and I am a
member of it.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 3:27 PM
To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Chris Grabowski

The NFB has been in bed with Jaws for years and have openly been against
Window eyes. Want to thank them now or just wait till it's over?

-Original Message- 
From: Don H via Talk

Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 2:22 PM
To: Reeva Webb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Chris Grabowski

So Chris is gone along with all the others who used to monitor the list.
 So I think we are down to Doug and I would not expect him to take up
all the slack for all the others who have left.  I also am on the Open
Book users list and it is a known fact that no monitoring of the list is
done by FS.

On 1/19/2017 1:14 PM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:

Are there any staff monitoring the list from ai2/vfo now?


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Jan 19, 2017 12:56 PM, "Chris G via Talk" 
wrote:


Hi Don,
My last day with ai squared was December 30.  It was my choice as I 
didn't

have time to build Mystic Access, creating tutorials etc  It was also my
choice to leave quietly
I really didn't want to make a big announcement.  That is just me, I fade
away into the sunset. (smile)



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 Original Message 
From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Thursday, Jan 19, 2017 9:27 AM EST
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Chris Grabowski

Has Chris Grabowski also left the Window Eyes team?  A Emaiil directly
to him gets no response and have not seen any postings from him for a
while.
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RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

[Steve Jacobson via Talk]

Steve,

It would be interesting to sit down with you and understand better what your
approach is, I would guess that there is a good deal I could learn from you.
However, I still feel you are missing the point of what I wrote.  

To clarify, I would maintain that if Microsoft changed to some new menu
structure tomorrow and you and a sighted co-worker sat down tomorrow to do
some task and the items needed for that task was on the screen that it is
likely they would do it faster until you became more familiar with the new
structure and developed an approach.  I have not ever argued that you might
not develop methods of doing it more quickly, but you have to go through the
development process.  Many of us do this and we compete well.  When I
originally wrote on this, I was responding some to posts that indicated that
we tend to not like change and that we have to realize the world is
changing.  I'm paraphrasing.  My contention was that when things change, we
tend to have to take the time to develop and/or learn alternative means to
work efficiently.  In some cases, the methods we choose will be more
efficient than the visual interface that is generally used.  I also
recognize that some sighted people develop their own more efficient
approaches as well.  Therefore, change poses more of a problem for those of
us who need to develop a more efficient way of operating because we are at
somewhat of a disadvantage until we have alternative procedures in place.
Our alternative approaches, once in place, may very well be more efficient,
but in some cases, our alternative approaches need better support.

.  You may have a way around this, but I have found that using keystrokes in
Excel, for example, has gotten more frustrating.  I find that if I type a
three key sequence quickly to get to a known item on the ribbon, sometimes
keystrokes are lost.  Therefore, I have to throttle back sometimes.  I
probably still get there faster, though, than by moving a mouse.  Let me be
clear, I am not saying it can't be done and that we can't get good at it,
only that I think we have more of a challengs at the outset which makes us
not embrace change when it happens.  You may still disagree with me, but I
have never argued that we could never be more efficient than someone using a
mouse, as long as some of the methods we use are implemented well.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Steve Nutt [mailto:st...@comproom.co.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 10:38 AM
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

Hi Steve,

I would disagree.  I can often find things in word quicker than sighted
people using that box.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
Sent: 15 January 2017 20:29
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

Steve,

This is a useful tip, and I was not trying to assume anything.  My point,
though, was that we adopt strategies to be efficient that may depend upon a
number of less obvious features of programs.  Even your solution is not as
quick as visually finding something on the ribbon, moving the mouse pointer
to it and clicking.  However, adding a feature that is used often to the
custom toolbar is probably quicker than using a mouse, but this still
involves some setup.  We work to find ways of being efficient and by
networking and such we succeed pretty well.  I was not saying it couldn't be
done.  However, when software is updated, our methods of being efficient are
often broken and need to be recreated, even if the software is technically
accessible.  I think this makes some of our resistance to change
understandable, and I also think we have to think some about interface
issues in the long run because change will become more and more a part of
the evolution of technology.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


-Original Message-
From: Steve Nutt [mailto:st...@comproom.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 12:48 PM
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

Hi Steve,

You're assuming though that everyone has to go the long way round to access
ribbons and options within them.

In Office for example, you don't need to access the ribbon when you can't
find something.  Just bring it up, then tab to the Tell Me What To Do edit
box, and type in what you want.  It is usually found, however deeply it is
buried.  The problem is training.  Trainers don't teach these additional
methods of getting there quickly.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
Sent: 13 January 2017 16:53
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Re: Chris Grabowski

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Where did you get that?  I have never heard anything like that, and I am a 
member of it.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 3:27 PM
To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Chris Grabowski

The NFB has been in bed with Jaws for years and have openly been against
Window eyes. Want to thank them now or just wait till it's over?

-Original Message- 
From: Don H via Talk

Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 2:22 PM
To: Reeva Webb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Chris Grabowski

So Chris is gone along with all the others who used to monitor the list.
 So I think we are down to Doug and I would not expect him to take up
all the slack for all the others who have left.  I also am on the Open
Book users list and it is a known fact that no monitoring of the list is
done by FS.

On 1/19/2017 1:14 PM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:

Are there any staff monitoring the list from ai2/vfo now?


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Jan 19, 2017 12:56 PM, "Chris G via Talk" 
wrote:


Hi Don,
My last day with ai squared was December 30.  It was my choice as I 
didn't

have time to build Mystic Access, creating tutorials etc  It was also my
choice to leave quietly
I really didn't want to make a big announcement.  That is just me, I fade
away into the sunset. (smile)



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 Original Message 
From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Thursday, Jan 19, 2017 9:27 AM EST
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Chris Grabowski

Has Chris Grabowski also left the Window Eyes team?  A Emaiil directly
to him gets no response and have not seen any postings from him for a
while.
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Re: support?

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Tony:

I always like to say that the bigger they are, the slower they are.





























































































































































































































































































































On 11/1/16, Tony C via Talk  wrote:
> Hi, How long does it usually take to get an email response from Ai squared?
> I know it used to be pretty quick with GW micro. I sent a message this
> morning and still haven’t gotten a response. just wondering.
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Re: Selecting text with thunderbird

[Chris G via Talk]

Hi,
f8, then hit your end key, then f8 again.
Chris



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 Original Message 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Thursday, Jan 19, 2017 3:31 AM EST
To: L Urie; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Selecting text with thunderbird

Yeah if it's only a link, that's the easiest.  I occasionally have an
issue when there is only one line of text such as a URL without a link.
I'd like to avoid having to right arrow through the entire URL.  Is
there a way to copy the URL without right arrowing?

On 1/18/2017 9:35 PM, L Urie via Talk wrote:
Hi,


I'm using Windows 10 with the latest version of WE. I can't select text
in an email when using thunderbird.  I can select a whole email by doing
control A but if I only want to select just a line, like a link for
example, I can't do it.  Shift with any of the arrow keys doesn't work.
What am I missing?


Thanks


Lee



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Re: Chris Grabowski

[Lynn White via Talk]

And Mystic Access rocks.  Listening again to the Twitter Tutorial and 
got up and running with the Apple Watch tutorial.



On 1/19/2017 12:56 PM, Chris G via Talk wrote:

Hi Don,
My last day with ai squared was December 30.  It was my choice as I 
didn't have time to build Mystic Access, creating tutorials etc It was 
also my choice to leave quietly
I really didn't want to make a big announcement.  That is just me, I 
fade away into the sunset. (smile)




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 Original Message 
From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Thursday, Jan 19, 2017 9:27 AM EST
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Chris Grabowski

Has Chris Grabowski also left the Window Eyes team?  A Emaiil directly
to him gets no response and have not seen any postings from him for a
while.
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RE: Chris Grabowski

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

I agree with you Don, but perhaps Doug does look in from time to time.  
According to the notification of the need to update Window-Eyes, he does have a 
management role, not a customer support function.  So: managers couldn't be 
expected to wade through the noise on this list as it was in the good old days, 
but probably do see stuff brought to their attention.

So: who does now wade through this stuff?  The old GW approach of active 
monitoring of the list was something many appreciated, but it wasn't always 
easy - of that I am sure.


VFO has acquired the apalling arrogance of Freedom Scientific.


Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Friday, 20 January 2017 9:22 a.m.
To: Reeva Webb; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Chris Grabowski

So Chris is gone along with all the others who used to monitor the list. 
  So I think we are down to Doug and I would not expect him to take up all the 
slack for all the others who have left.  I also am on the Open Book users list 
and it is a known fact that no monitoring of the list is done by FS.

On 1/19/2017 1:14 PM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:
> Are there any staff monitoring the list from ai2/vfo now?
>
>
> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never 
> promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls 
> Of Jericho
>
> Reeva
>
> On Jan 19, 2017 12:56 PM, "Chris G via Talk" 
> 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Don,
>> My last day with ai squared was December 30.  It was my choice as I 
>> didn't have time to build Mystic Access, creating tutorials etc  It 
>> was also my choice to leave quietly I really didn't want to make a 
>> big announcement.  That is just me, I fade away into the sunset. 
>> (smile)
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Grabowski
>> Mystic Access
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>>
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>>
>>  Original Message 
>> From: Don H via Talk
>> Sent: Thursday, Jan 19, 2017 9:27 AM EST
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Chris Grabowski
>>
>> Has Chris Grabowski also left the Window Eyes team?  A Emaiil 
>> directly to him gets no response and have not seen any postings from 
>> him for a while.
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Re: Chris Grabowski

[Tony C via Talk]

The NFB has been in bed with Jaws for years and have openly been against 
Window eyes. Want to thank them now or just wait till it's over?


-Original Message- 
From: Don H via Talk

Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 2:22 PM
To: Reeva Webb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Chris Grabowski

So Chris is gone along with all the others who used to monitor the list.
 So I think we are down to Doug and I would not expect him to take up
all the slack for all the others who have left.  I also am on the Open
Book users list and it is a known fact that no monitoring of the list is
done by FS.

On 1/19/2017 1:14 PM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:

Are there any staff monitoring the list from ai2/vfo now?


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Jan 19, 2017 12:56 PM, "Chris G via Talk" 
wrote:


Hi Don,
My last day with ai squared was December 30.  It was my choice as I 
didn't

have time to build Mystic Access, creating tutorials etc  It was also my
choice to leave quietly
I really didn't want to make a big announcement.  That is just me, I fade
away into the sunset. (smile)



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Sent: Thursday, Jan 19, 2017 9:27 AM EST
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Subject: Chris Grabowski

Has Chris Grabowski also left the Window Eyes team?  A Emaiil directly
to him gets no response and have not seen any postings from him for a
while.
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Re: Chris Grabowski

[Don H via Talk]

So Chris is gone along with all the others who used to monitor the list. 
 So I think we are down to Doug and I would not expect him to take up 
all the slack for all the others who have left.  I also am on the Open 
Book users list and it is a known fact that no monitoring of the list is 
done by FS.


On 1/19/2017 1:14 PM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:

Are there any staff monitoring the list from ai2/vfo now?


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Jan 19, 2017 12:56 PM, "Chris G via Talk" 
wrote:


Hi Don,
My last day with ai squared was December 30.  It was my choice as I didn't
have time to build Mystic Access, creating tutorials etc  It was also my
choice to leave quietly
I really didn't want to make a big announcement.  That is just me, I fade
away into the sunset. (smile)



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Subject: Chris Grabowski

Has Chris Grabowski also left the Window Eyes team?  A Emaiil directly
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RE: Chris Grabowski

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

Hi Don.

I've seen Chris's reply, so you have probably also seen it.  However: I did get 
two responses to an email sent to his old AI Squared address, and one of these 
was from Doug.  Looks as if Window-Eyes support services are now down to Doug 
and maybe others who are not contributing to the list.

So: questions regarding monitoring of the list, list moderation, and as Curtis 
commented - profiling new releases are still causes for concern and conjecture.


Vaughan.



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Has Chris Grabowski also left the Window Eyes team?  A Emaiil directly to him 
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Re: Chris Grabowski

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

Are there any staff monitoring the list from ai2/vfo now?


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Jan 19, 2017 12:56 PM, "Chris G via Talk" 
wrote:

> Hi Don,
> My last day with ai squared was December 30.  It was my choice as I didn't
> have time to build Mystic Access, creating tutorials etc  It was also my
> choice to leave quietly
> I really didn't want to make a big announcement.  That is just me, I fade
> away into the sunset. (smile)
>
>
>
> Chris Grabowski
> Mystic Access
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> Sent: Thursday, Jan 19, 2017 9:27 AM EST
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
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Re: screen reader mode Jarte

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Brice,

I've heard of that copying a line of text to the clipboard method many 
times. but I've never had to use it. consequently I don't know what it is.


I would uninstall Jarte and then be sure to uninstall the Office 
compatibility pack as well.


Then download and install this different version of the compatibility 
pack. It fixed Jarte for me.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/k0knh4oged1j45y/OfficeConverterPack.zip?dl=1

Then reinstall Jarte and it should be ready to roll. You may have to 
close and reopen it to get it to sink up with the compatibility pack. I 
can't remember. But again, I've never had to do anything else to get 
Jarte to work.


Hth,
Tom


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I need to remove Jarte and re-install Jarte. In order for Jarte to
worked in screen reader mode , there is a line of text that must be
copied to the clipboard in order for screen reader mode to work. Does
anyone happen to remember the text? One more question. Please give
instructions, do I also need to uninstall the Micro soft compatibility
pack  ? Thanks.
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Re: screen reader mode Jarte

[Chris G via Talk]

enable screen reader mode



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Sent: Thursday, Jan 19, 2017 9:32 AM EST
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: screen reader mode Jarte

I need to remove Jarte and re-install Jarte. In order for Jarte to
worked in screen reader mode , there is a line of text that must be
copied to the clipboard in order for screen reader mode to work. Does
anyone happen to remember the text? One more question. Please give
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Re: Chris Grabowski

[Chris G via Talk]

Hi Don,
My last day with ai squared was December 30.  It was my choice as I 
didn't have time to build Mystic Access, creating tutorials etc  It was 
also my choice to leave quietly
I really didn't want to make a big announcement.  That is just me, I 
fade away into the sunset. (smile)




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From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Thursday, Jan 19, 2017 9:27 AM EST
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Chris Grabowski

Has Chris Grabowski also left the Window Eyes team?  A Emaiil directly
to him gets no response and have not seen any postings from him for a
while.
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Re: Selecting text with thunderbird

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

The F8 method only works when in browse mode. So when viewing a message 
in browse mode you need to use it. When writing a message you have to 
use the standard shifted keys method.


When in browse mode and on a link just press home to go to the beginning 
and then F8 twice. this will select the entire link.


When you have the text of a link but it doesn't register as a link, or 
whenever you want to select a line, home to the beginning, F8, end to 
the end, F8, and you've selected and copied that line.


Hth,
Tom


On 1/19/2017 3:31 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

Yeah if it's only a link, that's the easiest.  I occasionally have an
issue when there is only one line of text such as a URL without a link.
I'd like to avoid having to right arrow through the entire URL.  Is
there a way to copy the URL without right arrowing?

On 1/18/2017 9:35 PM, L Urie via Talk wrote:

Hi,


I'm using Windows 10 with the latest version of WE. I can't select text
in an email when using thunderbird.  I can select a whole email by doing
control A but if I only want to select just a line, like a link for
example, I can't do it.  Shift with any of the arrow keys doesn't work.
What am I missing?


Thanks


Lee



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Re: problem with key echo of typing characters

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Ted,

I'd try going into the control panel, sounds, and checking the check box 
to disable all enhancements on your sound card. It may be the problem.


Hth,
Tom


On 1/18/2017 10:30 PM, Ted Larson via Talk wrote:

Dear List:

I have windows ten and the latest window eyes on my new Asus computer.  When
I am typing characters, one after the other, the key echo of characters
works fine.  However, if I wait for more than five seconds, and start
typing, the first character is cut off at the beginning of the character.
Such as window eyes saying eriod instead of saying period.  It does this
when typing in all applications.  It seems as if the computer is groggily
waking up whenever I start typing anything.  What could be going on here?
Thanks for any ideas.  Regards:  Ted Larson

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Re: Going Backward in Accessibility?

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

And yet, I have never used the ribbon and haven't a clue about it.  Not 
sure whether to feel ignorant or what?

On 1/19/2017 12:16 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
> Hi there GUYS!
>
> When the ribbin was first introduced I wanted nothing to do with it.
> Now it is just a part of my everyday computing and I never give it a
> second thought unless there is something there which I cannot find.  My
> first PC was an old xp then a 286 then a 486 all runnig  various
> versions of DOS.  I really didn't wish to switch to windows, but my
> buddy that was helping me with computers simply brought over a win 98
> system and I started using it.  My first Windows screen reader was
> VinVision and I really liked the ease of use with that software.  Of
> course when I went to XP I had to switch to Window Eyes which I have kep
> since then.  I went from 98 to XP to Win 7 then Win 10 and I found
> it to be a rather easy trip. Maybe the facth that I have a lot of
> technical friends that I can call on when I have a question most
> certainly helps! Anyhow, just a bit of personal computing history.
> Catch Ya All Later! de
>
> .
>
>
> On 19-Jan-17 11:37, Steve Nutt via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> I would disagree.  I can often find things in word quicker than sighted
>> people using that box.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
>> Sent: 15 January 2017 20:29
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
>> Subject: RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?
>>
>> Steve,
>>
>> This is a useful tip, and I was not trying to assume anything.  My point,
>> though, was that we adopt strategies to be efficient that may depend
>> upon a
>> number of less obvious features of programs.  Even your solution is
>> not as
>> quick as visually finding something on the ribbon, moving the mouse
>> pointer
>> to it and clicking.  However, adding a feature that is used often to the
>> custom toolbar is probably quicker than using a mouse, but this still
>> involves some setup.  We work to find ways of being efficient and by
>> networking and such we succeed pretty well.  I was not saying it
>> couldn't be
>> done.  However, when software is updated, our methods of being
>> efficient are
>> often broken and need to be recreated, even if the software is
>> technically
>> accessible.  I think this makes some of our resistance to change
>> understandable, and I also think we have to think some about interface
>> issues in the long run because change will become more and more a part of
>> the evolution of technology.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Steve Nutt [mailto:st...@comproom.co.uk]
>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 12:48 PM
>> To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> 
>> Subject: RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?
>>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> You're assuming though that everyone has to go the long way round to
>> access
>> ribbons and options within them.
>>
>> In Office for example, you don't need to access the ribbon when you can't
>> find something.  Just bring it up, then tab to the Tell Me What To Do
>> edit
>> box, and type in what you want.  It is usually found, however deeply
>> it is
>> buried.  The problem is training.  Trainers don't teach these additional
>> methods of getting there quickly.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
>> Sent: 13 January 2017 16:53
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
>> Subject: RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?
>>
>> Peter and all,
>>
>> While I mostly agree with you, especially given that we have fairly good
>> accessibility built into products that are much more complicated than
>> those
>> of fifteen or twenty years ago, I think we are often affected more by
>> change
>> than are sighted people.  There needs to be some thought as to how
>> this can
>> be handled.  While this can affect the ability of a new blind user to
>> learn
>> software, its greatest impact is on those who have used software for a
>> long
>> time and have become efficient in its use.
>>
>> For example, let's look at the Microsoft Ribbon.  This was a major
>> change to
>> the way that options are displayed in Microsoft products.  However, even
>> though it can be frustrating for sighted users. It is usually possible to
>> locate options by visually inspecting the ribbon and then moving the
>> mouse
>> directly to that item without serious delay.  The act of moving the
>> mouse to
>> a given location and then clicking on it is a standard action that is not
>> dependent on anything that is unique to the ribbon or Microsoft
>> Office.  The
>> complaints I hear from sighted users are more along the 

Re: Going Backward in Accessibility?

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there GUYS!

When the ribbin was first introduced I wanted nothing to do with it.  
Now it is just a part of my everyday computing and I never give it a 
second thought unless there is something there which I cannot find.  My 
first PC was an old xp then a 286 then a 486 all runnig  various 
versions of DOS.  I really didn't wish to switch to windows, but my 
buddy that was helping me with computers simply brought over a win 98 
system and I started using it.  My first Windows screen reader was 
VinVision and I really liked the ease of use with that software.  Of 
course when I went to XP I had to switch to Window Eyes which I have kep 
since then.  I went from 98 to XP to Win 7 then Win 10 and I found 
it to be a rather easy trip. Maybe the facth that I have a lot of 
technical friends that I can call on when I have a question most 
certainly helps! Anyhow, just a bit of personal computing history.  
Catch Ya All Later! de


.


On 19-Jan-17 11:37, Steve Nutt via Talk wrote:

Hi Steve,

I would disagree.  I can often find things in word quicker than sighted
people using that box.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
Sent: 15 January 2017 20:29
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

Steve,

This is a useful tip, and I was not trying to assume anything.  My point,
though, was that we adopt strategies to be efficient that may depend upon a
number of less obvious features of programs.  Even your solution is not as
quick as visually finding something on the ribbon, moving the mouse pointer
to it and clicking.  However, adding a feature that is used often to the
custom toolbar is probably quicker than using a mouse, but this still
involves some setup.  We work to find ways of being efficient and by
networking and such we succeed pretty well.  I was not saying it couldn't be
done.  However, when software is updated, our methods of being efficient are
often broken and need to be recreated, even if the software is technically
accessible.  I think this makes some of our resistance to change
understandable, and I also think we have to think some about interface
issues in the long run because change will become more and more a part of
the evolution of technology.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


-Original Message-
From: Steve Nutt [mailto:st...@comproom.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 12:48 PM
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

Hi Steve,

You're assuming though that everyone has to go the long way round to access
ribbons and options within them.

In Office for example, you don't need to access the ribbon when you can't
find something.  Just bring it up, then tab to the Tell Me What To Do edit
box, and type in what you want.  It is usually found, however deeply it is
buried.  The problem is training.  Trainers don't teach these additional
methods of getting there quickly.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
Sent: 13 January 2017 16:53
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

Peter and all,

While I mostly agree with you, especially given that we have fairly good
accessibility built into products that are much more complicated than those
of fifteen or twenty years ago, I think we are often affected more by change
than are sighted people.  There needs to be some thought as to how this can
be handled.  While this can affect the ability of a new blind user to learn
software, its greatest impact is on those who have used software for a long
time and have become efficient in its use.

For example, let's look at the Microsoft Ribbon.  This was a major change to
the way that options are displayed in Microsoft products.  However, even
though it can be frustrating for sighted users. It is usually possible to
locate options by visually inspecting the ribbon and then moving the mouse
directly to that item without serious delay.  The act of moving the mouse to
a given location and then clicking on it is a standard action that is not
dependent on anything that is unique to the ribbon or Microsoft Office.  The
complaints I hear from sighted users are more along the line of how much
space the ribbon takes, and there are even some workarounds for that.  I
don't read a lot of complaints about the ribbon any more in the general
press although I suppose there are complaints out there yet.

So why was the change to the ribbon difficult for us?  The ribbon has pretty
much always been accessible in a technical sense.  In my opinion, it is
because our greatest efficiency is achieved by our memory and our ability to
repeat a sequence of 

Re: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4 - THANK YOU!

[Tony C via Talk]

Ditto!!

-Original Message- 
From: Grant Metcalf via Talk

Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 10:36 AM
To: Robert Ringwald ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4 - THANK YOU!

If you think about it, there are thousands of people who are using
Window-Eyes and are not complaining, just a few, and unfortunately, they are
never satisfied. I could wish they were fully sighted, then, they could find
somewhere else to gripe and something else to gripe about. And that's my
gripe!


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Re: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4 - THANK YOU!

[Jim via Talk]

Thanks You Grant! You echo my feelings almost exactly.

.


On 19-Jan-17 11:36, Grant Metcalf via Talk wrote:
If you think about it, there are thousands of people who are using 
Window-Eyes and are not complaining, just a few, and unfortunately, 
they are never satisfied. I could wish they were fully sighted, then, 
they could find somewhere else to gripe and something else to gripe 
about. And that's my gripe!



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RE: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

I didn't get this issue at all on Windows 10.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: 18 January 2017 18:23
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

Hello

I just installed this update.  There is a minor problem.  After the download
completes, you are asked to allow Windows to install this program.  You need
to activate the Yes button, but Window-Eyes does not speak the option, as it
did in the past; sighted help is necessary.

Peter Duran
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RE: Alternative Interface?

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi Dave,

Some interesting points.

NoteTab Pro, http://www.notetab.com has accessibility settings, so some
programs do this.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: 15 January 2017 22:36
To: A I Squared Support 
Subject: Alternative Interface?

When it comes to making items accessible.  When it comes to software, for
years, I have wondered why a Software Company could not have two interfaces,
one for the Sighted world, and one for the blind, that use screen readers.

And the choosing of which interface to use can be done the first time the
software runs, or at any time after.  

I am a Musician that plays guitar and some Keyboard.  As Sonar became more
and more complex, it seemed as if the accessibility shrank and shrank until
the last three or four editions are almost useless to someone using a screen
reader.  

JAWS seems to be a bit further ahead, when it comes to Scripts but even
then, I don't know if they have done anything for reading any edition of
Sonar past 8.X. 

There are software based Synthesizers, that are quite powerful that are for
the most part off limits to someone using a screen reader. 
Addictive Drums is a software package that simulates Drums, all kinds of
drums.  Everything from the old time drum kits from the 1920's to the ultra
modern Hip-Hop electronic drums sounds.  Loads of drum styles, and I start
Drooling when I think of what I could do to improve the sound of my
recordings, if only I had access to this Addictive Drum software package.
But, last I checked, it isn't a package that is all that accessible.  

Same goes for some software based Guitar Pedal packages.  Loads of guitar
effects, all customizable to my own tastes and it is all off limits.  Screen
reader can't read the screens.  The one I wanted is absolutely silent.  

And for those you who think I am whining, think again.   Please don't
insult me because I point out an area that I wish was available to me and
others.  

I wondered if it would be possible to have a second main screen, this one
friendly to screen readers etc.  

How much would it cost the Company to add such a screen?  Don't know. 
Don't know how much effort it would take to make such a screen.  

I dream of such screens for all of the software that I find less than
friendly to screen reader usage.  

What if it took another week or two of development, or even another month of
development time.  Would you pay another $100 extra to have such a
accessible screen? I know I would.  

Companies that make an attempt to make their software Screen Reader
Friendly, seem to make the attempt to making their main screens accessible.
have no idea if they have ever considered making an alternative screen for
their programs use by the Blind.  

Today when pricing is so competitive, and Companies are striving to be the
cheapest, even if it is by a Dollar or two under their competitors product,
I don't know how willing some company would be to add a Screen Reader
friendly interface, if doing that will cause their products price to rise by
$100.  


Grumpy Dave


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RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi Steve,

I would disagree.  I can often find things in word quicker than sighted
people using that box.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
Sent: 15 January 2017 20:29
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

Steve,

This is a useful tip, and I was not trying to assume anything.  My point,
though, was that we adopt strategies to be efficient that may depend upon a
number of less obvious features of programs.  Even your solution is not as
quick as visually finding something on the ribbon, moving the mouse pointer
to it and clicking.  However, adding a feature that is used often to the
custom toolbar is probably quicker than using a mouse, but this still
involves some setup.  We work to find ways of being efficient and by
networking and such we succeed pretty well.  I was not saying it couldn't be
done.  However, when software is updated, our methods of being efficient are
often broken and need to be recreated, even if the software is technically
accessible.  I think this makes some of our resistance to change
understandable, and I also think we have to think some about interface
issues in the long run because change will become more and more a part of
the evolution of technology.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


-Original Message-
From: Steve Nutt [mailto:st...@comproom.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 12:48 PM
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

Hi Steve,

You're assuming though that everyone has to go the long way round to access
ribbons and options within them.

In Office for example, you don't need to access the ribbon when you can't
find something.  Just bring it up, then tab to the Tell Me What To Do edit
box, and type in what you want.  It is usually found, however deeply it is
buried.  The problem is training.  Trainers don't teach these additional
methods of getting there quickly.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
Sent: 13 January 2017 16:53
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

Peter and all,

While I mostly agree with you, especially given that we have fairly good
accessibility built into products that are much more complicated than those
of fifteen or twenty years ago, I think we are often affected more by change
than are sighted people.  There needs to be some thought as to how this can
be handled.  While this can affect the ability of a new blind user to learn
software, its greatest impact is on those who have used software for a long
time and have become efficient in its use.

For example, let's look at the Microsoft Ribbon.  This was a major change to
the way that options are displayed in Microsoft products.  However, even
though it can be frustrating for sighted users. It is usually possible to
locate options by visually inspecting the ribbon and then moving the mouse
directly to that item without serious delay.  The act of moving the mouse to
a given location and then clicking on it is a standard action that is not
dependent on anything that is unique to the ribbon or Microsoft Office.  The
complaints I hear from sighted users are more along the line of how much
space the ribbon takes, and there are even some workarounds for that.  I
don't read a lot of complaints about the ribbon any more in the general
press although I suppose there are complaints out there yet.

So why was the change to the ribbon difficult for us?  The ribbon has pretty
much always been accessible in a technical sense.  In my opinion, it is
because our greatest efficiency is achieved by our memory and our ability to
repeat a sequence of actions reliably.  When confronted with the ribbon
rather than a typical menu system, our method of finding an item is to use
the navigation that is built into Office to examine the ribbon sequentially.
If that navigation is sluggish, it will slow our ability even beyond what we
are already experiencing because of needing to look sequentially.
Therefore, even when accessibility is implemented, we depend upon more
levels of the software, operating system and specific software, to get the
information we need.  In addition, we are needing to access information
sequentially rather than being able to take the shortest path to the desired
item as can be done visually with the mouse.

We do get around all this in time by learning keyboard shortcuts and
accellerator keys.  As a rule, though, keyboard shortcuts and accellerators
are assigned to some degree by their locations in menus and ribbons.  In
menus, there were generally two keystrokes involved, the first to get to the
pulldown and the 

Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4 - THANK YOU!

[Grant Metcalf via Talk]

If you think about it, there are thousands of people who are using 
Window-Eyes and are not complaining, just a few, and unfortunately, they are 
never satisfied. I could wish they were fully sighted, then, they could find 
somewhere else to gripe and something else to gripe about. And that's my 
gripe!



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Re: first time, ever!

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

i have noticed this, but i wonder if they are waiting for a major release?


On 1/19/2017 4:24 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:

do you all realize that for the very first time, not a single
representative has touted the new release or update of window-eyes since
the beginning of the company?
That is what is disconcerting to me!

-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA


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Re: Question regarding Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

[Matthew Chao via Talk]

Based on the email, we might after Jan. 26.  Not sure, however.--Matthew 
Chao





On 1/19/2017 9:08 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
Do we need a window-eyes 9.5.4 cd to install window-eyes on a new 
computer or to reinstall?


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Re: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

[Loy via Talk]

If you own WE 8X or greater you can use it to install WE then run the upgrade, 
or contact WE support E-Mail: wesupp...@aisquared.com
Phone: 802-362-3612, and they can give you a link to download a full copy or 
you can order a CD for $20.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Russ Kiehne via Talk 
  To: Peter Duran ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
  Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 9:19 AM
  Subject: Re: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4


  I didn't have that problem.

  My only question is, do you need a 9.5.4 cd if you want to install it on a 
  new computer or reinstall it?

  -Original Message- 
  From: Peter Duran via Talk
  Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 10:22 AM
  To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  Subject: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

  Hello

  I just installed this update.  There is a minor problem.  After the download 
  completes, you are asked to allow Windows to install this program.  You need 
  to activate the Yes button, but Window-Eyes does not speak the option, as it 
  did in the past; sighted help is necessary.

  Peter Duran
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screen reader mode Jarte

[brice Mijares via Talk]

I need to remove Jarte and re-install Jarte. In order for Jarte to 
worked in screen reader mode , there is a line of text that must be 
copied to the clipboard in order for screen reader mode to work. Does 
anyone happen to remember the text? One more question. Please give 
instructions, do I also need to uninstall the Micro soft compatibility 
pack  ? Thanks.

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Chris Grabowski

[Don H via Talk]

Has Chris Grabowski also left the Window Eyes team?  A Emaiil directly 
to him gets no response and have not seen any postings from him for a while.

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Re: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I didn't have that problem.

My only question is, do you need a 9.5.4 cd if you want to install it on a 
new computer or reinstall it?


-Original Message- 
From: Peter Duran via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 10:22 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

Hello

I just installed this update.  There is a minor problem.  After the download 
completes, you are asked to allow Windows to install this program.  You need 
to activate the Yes button, but Window-Eyes does not speak the option, as it 
did in the past; sighted help is necessary.


Peter Duran
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Re: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I didn't realize that the original poster's problem was with UAC.  Usually 
that comes on in the beginning.  He seemed to say he installed it and 
everything except that in the end, there was something that a sighted person 
had to click.  That didn't sound like UAC.  I did get prompted by UAC, and I 
told it yes, and it continued, and everything went fine.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 3:01 PM
To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

Hmm! I have the account control on, but was not prompted.

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 1:34 PM
To: Jim Ruby ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

I think this probably has to do with the way Windows account control is
set up.  I have mine completely turned off and was not prompted to have
the program installed.  It just did it.


On 1/18/2017 1:37 PM, Jim Ruby via Talk wrote:
I did not have this problem, everything read just fine here on both 
machines

running windows 10.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+jim=blindsea@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 12:23 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

Hello

I just installed this update.  There is a minor problem.  After the 
download
completes, you are asked to allow Windows to install this program.  You 
need
to activate the Yes button, but Window-Eyes does not speak the option, as 
it

did in the past; sighted help is necessary.

Peter Duran
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Question regarding Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Do we need a window-eyes 9.5.4 cd to install window-eyes on a new computer 
or to reinstall?


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Re: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I didn't have a problem.  It downloaded and installed normally.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Iaen Cordell via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 1:24 PM
To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

Not at all, I just waited and then alt/tab several times and the box did
show up.
Cheers
IC

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 5:23 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

Hello

I just installed this update.  There is a minor problem.  After the download
completes, you are asked to allow Windows to install this program.  You need
to activate the Yes button, but Window-Eyes does not speak the option, as it
did in the past; sighted help is necessary.

Peter Duran
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Re: first time, ever!

[Loy via Talk]

We apologize for the inconvenience this issue has caused you, but assure you we 
are doing everything possible to rectify this matter as soon as possible. To 
minimize downtime, we encourage you to update your software as soon as possible.
If you have questions or require assistance resolving this problem, contact the 
Ai Squared support team at (727) 803-8600 option 2 or 
mailto:supp...@aisquared.com.


As some of you may have already noticed, we just released English Window-Eyes 
9.5.4 this morning (January 18th).  Other languages will soon follow.  It is 
very important if you are using Window-Eyes 9.5.1 or 9.5.2 or 9.5.3 that you 
upgrade to 9.5.4 before the digital certificate described above is revoked.

There are 3 changes from version 9.5.3 to 9.5.4:

1)  Support has been added for the HumanWare BrailleNote Touch braille display.
2) An issue where multiple hooking errors would occur in the latest testing 
builds (insider build) of Windows 10 has been fixed.
3) An updated digital certificate has been used to sign all executables. (as 
per the description above)

Again, it is critical you upgrade your copy of Window-Eyes 9.5.1 or 9.5.2 or 
9.5.3 to 9.5.4 immediately.  Once the certificate is revoke these copies of 
Window-Eyes will no longer launch leaving you without speech and/or braille.

Regards,
Doug


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  - Original Message - 
  From: Curtis Delzer via Talk 
  To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
  Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 5:24 AM
  Subject: first time, ever!


  do you all realize that for the very first time, not a single
  representative has touted the new release or update of window-eyes since
  the beginning of the company?
  That is what is disconcerting to me!

  -
  Curtis Delzer, HS.
  K6VFO
  San Bernardino, CA


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RE: first time, ever!

[gosselin_louis via Talk]

I don't understand that statement; could you please explain further? I'm
betting the only one left over there who could tout it is Doug, and I'm also
betting he hasn't had time to tie his shoes for the past month or so, let
alone time to tout Win-Eyes!
Louis Gosselin


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On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer via Talk
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 5:25 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: first time, ever!

do you all realize that for the very first time, not a single
representative has touted the new release or update of window-eyes since
the beginning of the company?
That is what is disconcerting to me!

-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA


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Re: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

[Tony C via Talk]

Whym, the truth is the truth. Whine whine, cry cry.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 1:48 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

Oh stop it.



-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 11:13 PM
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

   As much bitching as there has been about the Window eyes stuff. If I was
in charge I would scrap it just because everyone has bitched so much and
seem to expect it. Scrap it and take a long vacation on a tropical island.
lol

-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 12:00 AM
To: 'Don H' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

Are people ever?  Is that all you can do is bitch?  They added support for a
braille display.  Do you have any idea how hard it is to program.  I suspect
the main purpose was to make people could continue using the product some
people are never happy!  Thank you for the update it's appreciated.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 6:08 PM
To: CJ  MAY; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

It is good that a update was done but if you look at the readme for what
changes were made there were no real improvements or bug fixes.
Normally in the past a update would include a long list of improvements and
bug fixes.  So this update was to keep it working, which is a good thing,
but shows no effort taking place as in the past to keep improving on WE.

On 1/18/2017 4:10 PM, CJ  MAY via Talk wrote:

I find it rather reassuring that we are still getting updates.



Alison





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Re: first time, ever!

[Robert Grimwood via Talk]

Dear Curtis,


I think that this is really a patch, not an update.


Regards,

Robert


On 1/19/2017 10:24 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:

do you all realize that for the very first time, not a single
representative has touted the new release or update of window-eyes since
the beginning of the company?
That is what is disconcerting to me!

-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA


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first time, ever!

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

do you all realize that for the very first time, not a single
representative has touted the new release or update of window-eyes since
the beginning of the company?
That is what is disconcerting to me!

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Re: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

[Robert Ringwald via Talk]

Oh stop it.



-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 11:13 PM
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

   As much bitching as there has been about the Window eyes stuff. If I was
in charge I would scrap it just because everyone has bitched so much and
seem to expect it. Scrap it and take a long vacation on a tropical island.
lol

-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 12:00 AM
To: 'Don H' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

Are people ever?  Is that all you can do is bitch?  They added support for a
braille display.  Do you have any idea how hard it is to program.  I suspect
the main purpose was to make people could continue using the product some
people are never happy!  Thank you for the update it's appreciated.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 6:08 PM
To: CJ  MAY; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

It is good that a update was done but if you look at the readme for what
changes were made there were no real improvements or bug fixes.
Normally in the past a update would include a long list of improvements and
bug fixes.  So this update was to keep it working, which is a good thing,
but shows no effort taking place as in the past to keep improving on WE.

On 1/18/2017 4:10 PM, CJ  MAY via Talk wrote:

I find it rather reassuring that we are still getting updates.



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Re: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I find this new version of window-eyes less likely to crash and is a
whole lot faster with FireFox than other versions!

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Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 01:00:45 -0500
Dennis Long via Talk  wrote:

> Are people ever?  Is that all you can do is bitch?  They added support for a
> braille display.  Do you have any idea how hard it is to program.  I suspect
> the main purpose was to make people could continue using the product some
> people are never happy!  Thank you for the update it's appreciated.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Don H via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 6:08 PM
> To: CJ  MAY; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4
> 
> It is good that a update was done but if you look at the readme for what
> changes were made there were no real improvements or bug fixes. 
> Normally in the past a update would include a long list of improvements and
> bug fixes.  So this update was to keep it working, which is a good thing,
> but shows no effort taking place as in the past to keep improving on WE.
> 
> On 1/18/2017 4:10 PM, CJ  MAY via Talk wrote:
> > I find it rather reassuring that we are still getting updates.
> >
> >
> >
> > Alison
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Called JAWS the other day

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

there is an add-on for the triple talk.
-
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K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Sun, 15 Jan 2017 10:17:34 -0500
Charles Adkins via Talk  wrote:

> Excuse my ignorance, but is there way to get NVDA and other screen readers 
> like it to work with external synthesizers? I do a lot of recording and would 
> like to have my speech running on something separately. I could assign a 
> different sound card for the speech I suppose.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jan 15, 2017, at 10:00 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Where does one get the access32 addon?  I have a friend who has started 
> > using NVDA.
> > 
> > -Original Message- From: Don H via Talk
> > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 5:04 PM
> > To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: Called JAWS the other day
> > 
> > As far as NVDA voices I am currently using the Access32 add on and NVDA
> > sounds just like WE with the Decaccess32 voice for Window Eyes.
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Re: Going Backward in Accessibility?

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

One thing, in Becky if you wish read-to-end to work again, you can
change, under general settings, the third page of options, (message view),
the HTML option that "convert to plain text, to use, instead, the IE5
view which is the second from the top of 3 radio buttons.
Then your read-to-end keys are the same as those you'd use in Internet
explorer of which it is using one of the components of.
Other advantages are easier clicking on links in HTML email messages,
but, there are disadvantages as well, though you can as easily turn it
off and go back to "convert to plain text" as well to get what you have
now, back again.
Of course, in the normal view of Becky, hitting the space bar to scroll
the message 24 or so lines and then hitting control=-shift-d to read the
field which I use works too, but auto-read works well when using the
html view.
That option is about 21 tabs from the start of the "message view" page,
or about 10 or so shift-tabs from the other way. :)

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K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 09:03:39 -0800 (PST)
Butch Bussen via Talk  wrote:

> You are so right, and have you looked at stereo systems lately?  Same old, 
> same old, read the display.
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
> 
> 
> On Fri, 13 Jan 2017, Dave via Talk wrote:
> 
> > Hi Jim,
> >
> > There are all kinds of examples.  In Becky, I once had the ability to
> > Read to End, and now I no longer have this ability.
> >
> > Numerous Web Sites that once were reasonably accessible, now require
> > more effort on my part to find the same information.
> >
> > Ebay is a simple example.  I once could easily type in the item I was
> > looking for and run a search.  Now I need to take a few extra steps to
> > do the same thing, and then, sometimes, the reading of the search
> > results is quite flaky.
> >
> > This is probably due more to Ebay changing something than Window Eyes
> > doing something wrong.  But the bottom line is that I now am working
> > harder to get where I once could go fairly easily.
> >
> > The other day, I was on a web site, I was attempting to create an
> > account, I could not because some where on that screen I was leaving a
> > Field open, and try as I might, I could never find the field, and I
> > could not create the account.  I'll need to get sighted help to do this
> > in the next day or two.
> >
> > Operating Systems and programs all have multiplied the number of
> > features, and a program that once had 50 features, now has 200.  My
> > screen reader might read many of these new menu choices, and then again,
> > it might not.
> >
> > Oh, I can still use the basic features, but I find that I don't always
> > have the ability to go into some of those new areas, and be able to read
> > all the selections, choices and options.
> >
> > This is partly due to multiple factors, and I am not holding Window Eyes
> > responsible for the two steps backwards.
> >
> > Frankly, I would think it is almost impossible for a Screen reading
> > company to give 100 per cent access to Windows, or Office, or many other
> > programs.
> >
> > Outside of Screen Readers, I think the Blind are given fewer and fewer
> > choices.  I bought a brand new Top of the Line Washer and Dryer for my
> > Wife.  I thought I might be able to continue to help do the wash from
> > time to time.  The machines had buttons.  Well, it turns out, even
> > though there are buttons, the user needs to read a screen to select the
> > exact cycle wanted for that load of wash.  And the dryer isn't any
> > easier.  It too has a screen and it requires the user to read the screen
> > in order to choose the desired dryer setting, time temp etc.
> >
> > I now need to read from a Braille card, the number of buttons to push
> > and in which order, to do a simple load of wash.
> >
> > There are many Kitchen appliances that require sight to use them
> > accurately.
> >
> > The phone system where I work is almost impossible for me to use.  I can
> > pick up calls and dial out, but it requires sight to see another one of
> > those screens to pick the person you wish to transfer a call.
> >
> > customer Service Data bases, my Screen reader doesn't read well.  Not
> > well enough to effectively use it.  Same with the Tech Data base.
> >
> > I may have said that accessibility is taking one step forwards, and two
> > back.  Perhaps I should have said, that accessibility is not keeping up
> > with what accessibility is needed, which ends up meaning the same thing
> > for most Blind.  We can't use the equipment, or navigate the Web page,
> > or create an account, or do some type of editing, because we can't get
> > to the feature to use it.
> >
> >
> > I am older, and some my want to say, that I am just an old dude who is
> > stuck in the past.
> >
> > However, what I see, is the typical consumer has a load of Electronic
> > equipment, and very very few know much more than the bare basics when it
> > comes to 

Re: Talk Digest, Vol 703, Issue 1

[adérito Carvalho via Talk]

The aroga that translates the windoweyes into Portuguese. Because I do 
not understand English and when low the windoweyes does not have the 
Portuguese language.

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Re: Email programs, Your Choice?

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I use Becky! because I can go through a lot of mail in a hurry if needed,
or even display mail with html formatting using it's ability through IE
to properly display it, and the filters work for handling mail into
separate mailboxes automatically.
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K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 05:58:34 -0800
Dave via Talk  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> For those of you who have used more than one Email program, if you have
> an opinion as to which program you like the best, would you share that
> opinion?  
> 
> I currently use Becky, and it works, but it has its quirks.  
> 
> I used Eudora a very long time, but grew tired of jumping through the
> Hoops needed to make it work in the next version of MS Windows.And
> the 7.1 version has a few Bugs that never were fixed before the Company
> retired Eudora.  
> 
> Windows Live Mail is used by some, but Microsoft has just said that
> Windows Live Mail will no longer be supported,.  I would still use it,
> if WLM is quick and simple to use.  
> 
> The Email program that comes in Win 10 is an alternative to Windows Live
> Mail.  I have not looked at it yet, but have listened to a video about
> it.  Kind of a functional no fancy features kind of program.  I might
> check it out, providing it works well enough with Window Eyes.
> 
> And then there is Thunderbird.  I used Thunderbird about four years ago. 
> Had it at work and I never liked it much, especially the Spell Checker.   
> I like getting a list of word possibilities, and if I recall,
> Thunderbird doesn't give much in the way of a list.  
> 
> However, several updates have come and gone since I used it, and so if
> any here use Thunderbird and love it.  Tell me why you love it.  
> Also The Window Eyes Support for Thunderbird might be better today than
> in the past.  I like a program where the Screen Reader allows me to read
> the screens well.  Moving around with the Tab key doesn't take me into
> areas the Screen Reader doesn't read etc.  
> 
> 
> And if there are any Email programs I haven't mentioned, and you use
> them, and like them, would you tell me about them as well?  
> 
> Thanks for any opinions.  
> 
> Grumpy Dave
>   
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Re: to Curtis from michael about voices.

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

sorry for not replying Michael, didn't see your message.
the voice has some idiosyncrasies, but it works well, and the discount
when I bought it was significant.

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On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 19:56:31 +1100
michaels mail via Talk  wrote:

> Hi Curtis i di dbuy the US John  male voice cos their was no Australian ones.
> But i find its not quiet as good as the sample one i played on their web site.
> Did you notice any difference.
> I have played with the tone and speed.
> Cheers Michael.
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Re: Selecting text with thunderbird

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Yeah if it's only a link, that's the easiest.  I occasionally have an 
issue when there is only one line of text such as a URL without a link. 
I'd like to avoid having to right arrow through the entire URL.  Is 
there a way to copy the URL without right arrowing?

On 1/18/2017 9:35 PM, L Urie via Talk wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> I'm using Windows 10 with the latest version of WE. I can't select text
> in an email when using thunderbird.  I can select a whole email by doing
> control A but if I only want to select just a line, like a link for
> example, I can't do it.  Shift with any of the arrow keys doesn't work.
> What am I missing?
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Lee
>
>
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