RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time
The tutorial messages can be turned off. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 3:48 AM To: wohlg...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time Hi, I think for the customers I'm talking to, it's not so much learning keystrokes, it's that they want it to "sound" more like Window-Eyes. Those tutorial messages in JAWS can be a bit annoying for example, if you are used to Window-Eyes more terse way of talking. I'm just surmising here. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Jim via Talk Sent: 30 May 2017 19:20 To: Amanda Lee <amandainparadise...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time Hi there! I made the switch from W.E. to jaws about a week or so ago, and for the most part have had little or no issues at all with the switch over. Yes, I did have to learn and memorize a few new key combinations, but memorizing is extremely easy for me<SMILE!>. Not certain of exactly what it is that folks have to learn that is more than memorizing some new keystrokes..? Good Luck & Have A Good 1! de . On 30-May-17 13:19, Amanda Lee via Talk wrote: > Agreed with the exception that both don't always interpret the unique > issues of controls and content of applications beyond Microsoft and > known applications. This doesn't really affect the typical user > though so there is no reason why anyone should be afraid of the > learning curve. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail.com@lists.window-eyes.c > om] On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 12:52 PM > To: Tom Fairhurst <tfairhu...@kc.rr.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List > <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over > Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at > 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time > > Hi, Then thing I see is that while there are some differences in > WE and Jaws, the windows stuff is the same. There are some different > keystrokes for > > some things, but quite a few are the same. There's really not too much > to learn other than just remembering some new key combinations. Some > of you are > > acting like your having to learn some completely new out of this world > program. If some of you spent as much time learning the new key > strokes as you do complaining about people selling their help > products, you would already be and expert. Could we please quit > cluttering up the list just to bitch about stuff? I'm sure you can > find list out there that are devoted to whinners. > > -Original Message- > From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:43 AM > To: CJ MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The > Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm > Eastern, 7pm UK Time > > I agree. I think people areacting because they are mad about the fate > of Window-Eyes, not just the cost of the tutorial. Furthermore, we > don't have any proof that Mr. Hartgen had anything to do with the > demise of Window-Eyes. While I am not familiar with his tutorials, I > have purchased others in the past. I admit, some I have found very > helpful and others not so much. While I don't intend to purchase one > at this time, I think the tutorial should be evaluated on its own merits. > > -Original Message- > From: CJ MAY via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:40 AM > To: 'Scott Wheat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The > Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm > Eastern, 7pm UK Time > > I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a > tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can > use, but why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and > effort in creating a tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't > think twice about purchasing Anna Dresner's tutorial and it was money really worth spending. > > In the past I have used some of Brian Hartgen's tutorials and they > were always of a high standard. > > There is free learning material
RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time
Hi, I think for the customers I'm talking to, it's not so much learning keystrokes, it's that they want it to "sound" more like Window-Eyes. Those tutorial messages in JAWS can be a bit annoying for example, if you are used to Window-Eyes more terse way of talking. I'm just surmising here. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Jim via Talk Sent: 30 May 2017 19:20 To: Amanda Lee <amandainparadise...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time Hi there! I made the switch from W.E. to jaws about a week or so ago, and for the most part have had little or no issues at all with the switch over. Yes, I did have to learn and memorize a few new key combinations, but memorizing is extremely easy for me<SMILE!>. Not certain of exactly what it is that folks have to learn that is more than memorizing some new keystrokes..? Good Luck & Have A Good 1! de . On 30-May-17 13:19, Amanda Lee via Talk wrote: > Agreed with the exception that both don't always interpret the unique > issues of controls and content of applications beyond Microsoft and > known applications. This doesn't really affect the typical user > though so there is no reason why anyone should be afraid of the learning curve. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail.com@lists.window-eyes.c > om] On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 12:52 PM > To: Tom Fairhurst <tfairhu...@kc.rr.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List > <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over > Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at > 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time > > Hi, Then thing I see is that while there are some differences in > WE and Jaws, the windows stuff is the same. There are some different > keystrokes for > > some things, but quite a few are the same. There's really not too much > to learn other than just remembering some new key combinations. Some > of you are > > acting like your having to learn some completely new out of this world > program. If some of you spent as much time learning the new key > strokes as you do complaining about people selling their help > products, you would already be and expert. Could we please quit > cluttering up the list just to bitch about stuff? I'm sure you can > find list out there that are devoted to whinners. > > -Original Message----- > From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:43 AM > To: CJ MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The > Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm > Eastern, 7pm UK Time > > I agree. I think people areacting because they are mad about the fate > of Window-Eyes, not just the cost of the tutorial. Furthermore, we > don't have any proof that Mr. Hartgen had anything to do with the > demise of Window-Eyes. While I am not familiar with his tutorials, I > have purchased others in the past. I admit, some I have found very > helpful and others not so much. While I don't intend to purchase one > at this time, I think the tutorial should be evaluated on its own merits. > > -Original Message- > From: CJ MAY via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:40 AM > To: 'Scott Wheat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The > Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm > Eastern, 7pm UK Time > > I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a > tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can > use, but why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and > effort in creating a tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't > think twice about purchasing Anna Dresner's tutorial and it was money really worth spending. > > In the past I have used some of Brian Hartgen's tutorials and they > were always of a high standard. > > There is free learning materials available for those who don't want to > splash out extra money but they really can't expect people to > undertake such a big piece of work and receive no reward. > > > > Alison > > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership
Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time
Hi Jim: That makes a lot of sense, but since not everything is contained in one menu system like Window-eyes, one has to know which menu to find things like changing whether you want the name of a key that you do not want spoken, or controling the speed or volume of your synthesizer. Of course, that wouldn't be too hard to learn. Having said that, although am a window-eyes user, I still am quite familiar with JAWS. I have to be, for my job as a trainer. Kevin Huber Kevin Huber On 5/30/17, Jim via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > Hi there! > > I made the switch from W.E. to jaws about a week or so ago, and for the > most part have had little or no issues at all with the switch over. > Yes, I did have to learn and memorize a few new key combinations, but > memorizing is extremely easy for me<SMILE!>. Not certain of exactly > what it is that folks have to learn that is more than memorizing some > new keystrokes..? Good Luck & Have A Good 1! de . > > > > On 30-May-17 13:19, Amanda Lee via Talk wrote: >> Agreed with the exception that both don't always interpret the unique >> issues >> of controls and content of applications beyond Microsoft and known >> applications. This doesn't really affect the typical user though so >> there >> is no reason why anyone should be afraid of the learning curve. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] >> On >> Behalf Of Tony C via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 12:52 PM >> To: Tom Fairhurst <tfairhu...@kc.rr.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> >> Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The >> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, >> 7pm >> UK Time >> >> Hi, Then thing I see is that while there are some differences in WE >> and >> Jaws, the windows stuff is the same. There are some different keystrokes >> for >> >> some things, but quite a few are the same. There's really not too much to >> learn other than just remembering some new key combinations. Some of you >> are >> >> acting like your having to learn some completely new out of this world >> program. If some of you spent as much time learning the new key strokes >> as >> you do complaining about people selling their help products, you would >> already be and expert. Could we please quit cluttering up the list just >> to >> bitch about stuff? I'm sure you can find list out there that are devoted >> to >> whinners. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:43 AM >> To: CJ MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The >> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, >> 7pm >> UK Time >> >> I agree. I think people areacting because they are mad about the fate of >> Window-Eyes, not just the cost of the tutorial. Furthermore, we don't >> have >> any proof that Mr. Hartgen had anything to do with the demise of >> Window-Eyes. While I am not familiar with his tutorials, I have purchased >> others in the past. I admit, some I have found very helpful and others >> not >> so much. While I don't intend to purchase one at this time, I think the >> tutorial should be evaluated on its own merits. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: CJ MAY via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:40 AM >> To: 'Scott Wheat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The >> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, >> 7pm >> UK Time >> >> I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a >> tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can use, >> but >> why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and effort in creating >> a >> tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't think twice about >> purchasing >> Anna Dresner's tutorial and it was money really worth spending. >> >> In the past I have used some of Brian Hartgen's tutorials and they were >> always of a high standard. >> >> There is free learning materials available for those who don't want to >> splash out extra money but they really can't expect people to undertake >> such >> a big piece of
Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time
Hi there! I made the switch from W.E. to jaws about a week or so ago, and for the most part have had little or no issues at all with the switch over. Yes, I did have to learn and memorize a few new key combinations, but memorizing is extremely easy for me<SMILE!>. Not certain of exactly what it is that folks have to learn that is more than memorizing some new keystrokes..? Good Luck & Have A Good 1! de . On 30-May-17 13:19, Amanda Lee via Talk wrote: Agreed with the exception that both don't always interpret the unique issues of controls and content of applications beyond Microsoft and known applications. This doesn't really affect the typical user though so there is no reason why anyone should be afraid of the learning curve. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 12:52 PM To: Tom Fairhurst <tfairhu...@kc.rr.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time Hi, Then thing I see is that while there are some differences in WE and Jaws, the windows stuff is the same. There are some different keystrokes for some things, but quite a few are the same. There's really not too much to learn other than just remembering some new key combinations. Some of you are acting like your having to learn some completely new out of this world program. If some of you spent as much time learning the new key strokes as you do complaining about people selling their help products, you would already be and expert. Could we please quit cluttering up the list just to bitch about stuff? I'm sure you can find list out there that are devoted to whinners. -Original Message- From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:43 AM To: CJ MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time I agree. I think people areacting because they are mad about the fate of Window-Eyes, not just the cost of the tutorial. Furthermore, we don't have any proof that Mr. Hartgen had anything to do with the demise of Window-Eyes. While I am not familiar with his tutorials, I have purchased others in the past. I admit, some I have found very helpful and others not so much. While I don't intend to purchase one at this time, I think the tutorial should be evaluated on its own merits. -Original Message- From: CJ MAY via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:40 AM To: 'Scott Wheat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can use, but why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and effort in creating a tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't think twice about purchasing Anna Dresner's tutorial and it was money really worth spending. In the past I have used some of Brian Hartgen's tutorials and they were always of a high standard. There is free learning materials available for those who don't want to splash out extra money but they really can't expect people to undertake such a big piece of work and receive no reward. Alison ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tfairhurst%40k c.rr.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40media combb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/amandainparadi se777%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-
Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time
Hi: That is true for some of us. I migrated from JAWS to Window-eyes in the 1990s and it wasn't so dificult for me, but some people on the list do need some assistance and there are choices for that. I wonder if anyone has actually compared Brian's tutorial with Rau's tutorials and if so, could someone give the list a report on their findings. Kevin Huber On 5/30/17, Dennis Long via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > I agree. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 12:52 PM > To: Tom Fairhurst; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The > Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm > UK Time > > Hi, Then thing I see is that while there are some differences in WE and > Jaws, the windows stuff is the same. There are some different keystrokes > for > some things, but quite a few are the same. There's really not too much to > learn other than just remembering some new key combinations. Some of you > are > acting like your having to learn some completely new out of this world > program. If some of you spent as much time learning the new key strokes as > you do complaining about people selling their help products, you would > already be and expert. Could we please quit cluttering up the list just to > bitch about stuff? I'm sure you can find list out there that are devoted to > whinners. > > -Original Message- > From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:43 AM > To: CJ MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The > Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm > UK Time > > I agree. I think people areacting because they are mad about the fate of > Window-Eyes, not just the cost of the tutorial. Furthermore, we don't have > any proof that Mr. Hartgen had anything to do with the demise of > Window-Eyes. While I am not familiar with his tutorials, I have purchased > others in the past. I admit, some I have found very helpful and others not > so much. While I don't intend to purchase one at this time, I think the > tutorial should be evaluated on its own merits. > > -Original Message- > From: CJ MAY via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:40 AM > To: 'Scott Wheat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The > Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, > 7pm > UK Time > > I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a > tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can use, but > why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and effort in creating > a > tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't think twice about purchasing > Anna Dresner's tutorial and it was money really worth spending. > > In the past I have used some of Brian Hartgen's tutorials and they were > always of a high standard. > > There is free learning materials available for those who don't want to > splash out extra money but they really can't expect people to undertake > such > a big piece of work and receive no reward. > > > > Alison > > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tfairhurst%40k > c.rr.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40media > combb.net. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40
RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time
I agree. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 12:52 PM To: Tom Fairhurst; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time Hi, Then thing I see is that while there are some differences in WE and Jaws, the windows stuff is the same. There are some different keystrokes for some things, but quite a few are the same. There's really not too much to learn other than just remembering some new key combinations. Some of you are acting like your having to learn some completely new out of this world program. If some of you spent as much time learning the new key strokes as you do complaining about people selling their help products, you would already be and expert. Could we please quit cluttering up the list just to bitch about stuff? I'm sure you can find list out there that are devoted to whinners. -Original Message- From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:43 AM To: CJ MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time I agree. I think people areacting because they are mad about the fate of Window-Eyes, not just the cost of the tutorial. Furthermore, we don't have any proof that Mr. Hartgen had anything to do with the demise of Window-Eyes. While I am not familiar with his tutorials, I have purchased others in the past. I admit, some I have found very helpful and others not so much. While I don't intend to purchase one at this time, I think the tutorial should be evaluated on its own merits. -Original Message- From: CJ MAY via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:40 AM To: 'Scott Wheat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can use, but why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and effort in creating a tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't think twice about purchasing Anna Dresner's tutorial and it was money really worth spending. In the past I have used some of Brian Hartgen's tutorials and they were always of a high standard. There is free learning materials available for those who don't want to splash out extra money but they really can't expect people to undertake such a big piece of work and receive no reward. Alison ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tfairhurst%40k c.rr.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40media combb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time
Agreed with the exception that both don't always interpret the unique issues of controls and content of applications beyond Microsoft and known applications. This doesn't really affect the typical user though so there is no reason why anyone should be afraid of the learning curve. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 12:52 PM To: Tom Fairhurst <tfairhu...@kc.rr.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time Hi, Then thing I see is that while there are some differences in WE and Jaws, the windows stuff is the same. There are some different keystrokes for some things, but quite a few are the same. There's really not too much to learn other than just remembering some new key combinations. Some of you are acting like your having to learn some completely new out of this world program. If some of you spent as much time learning the new key strokes as you do complaining about people selling their help products, you would already be and expert. Could we please quit cluttering up the list just to bitch about stuff? I'm sure you can find list out there that are devoted to whinners. -Original Message- From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:43 AM To: CJ MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time I agree. I think people areacting because they are mad about the fate of Window-Eyes, not just the cost of the tutorial. Furthermore, we don't have any proof that Mr. Hartgen had anything to do with the demise of Window-Eyes. While I am not familiar with his tutorials, I have purchased others in the past. I admit, some I have found very helpful and others not so much. While I don't intend to purchase one at this time, I think the tutorial should be evaluated on its own merits. -Original Message- From: CJ MAY via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:40 AM To: 'Scott Wheat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can use, but why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and effort in creating a tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't think twice about purchasing Anna Dresner's tutorial and it was money really worth spending. In the past I have used some of Brian Hartgen's tutorials and they were always of a high standard. There is free learning materials available for those who don't want to splash out extra money but they really can't expect people to undertake such a big piece of work and receive no reward. Alison ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tfairhurst%40k c.rr.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40media combb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/amandainparadi se777%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/
Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time
Hi, Then thing I see is that while there are some differences in WE and Jaws, the windows stuff is the same. There are some different keystrokes for some things, but quite a few are the same. There's really not too much to learn other than just remembering some new key combinations. Some of you are acting like your having to learn some completely new out of this world program. If some of you spent as much time learning the new key strokes as you do complaining about people selling their help products, you would already be and expert. Could we please quit cluttering up the list just to bitch about stuff? I'm sure you can find list out there that are devoted to whinners. -Original Message- From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:43 AM To: CJ MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time I agree. I think people areacting because they are mad about the fate of Window-Eyes, not just the cost of the tutorial. Furthermore, we don't have any proof that Mr. Hartgen had anything to do with the demise of Window-Eyes. While I am not familiar with his tutorials, I have purchased others in the past. I admit, some I have found very helpful and others not so much. While I don't intend to purchase one at this time, I think the tutorial should be evaluated on its own merits. -Original Message- From: CJ MAY via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:40 AM To: 'Scott Wheat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can use, but why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and effort in creating a tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't think twice about purchasing Anna Dresner's tutorial and it was money really worth spending. In the past I have used some of Brian Hartgen's tutorials and they were always of a high standard. There is free learning materials available for those who don't want to splash out extra money but they really can't expect people to undertake such a big piece of work and receive no reward. Alison ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tfairhurst%40kc.rr.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
