Re: FW: whole migrating situation

2017-05-17 Thread Colleen Huff via Talk 

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On 5/17/2017 9:04 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:

How am I unreasonable when mlb wasn't working you would be moaning and groaning 
calling everyone you could since you have the time to do  it since you don't 
work. You seem to be knowledgable, so why don't you go to vfo and ask them if 
they can use you  as a consultant so you can get paid?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:55 AM
To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

Wow your unreasonable to say the least

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:50 AM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

AI have a full time job, a lot of blindpeople are unemployeed and they don't
have the money to even buy software or embossers if they want to braille. gw
micro should have been working with microsoft from the getgo. People can
work from home and work in their underwear to help people, that's why vfo
should have 24 hour tech support. t
04:25 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:

Richard,

Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know.
That has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if
not from their inception.

However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech

capability.

Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is
not designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not
have good enough functionality for anything other than the simplest.

Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions
for the problem came up with speech reading software.

I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power
full time for many years for nothing.
How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their families?

~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader
manufacturers.




Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM
To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people
do not need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra
software and even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind
people should be given software so they can survive in this tech world.
I've read many  of your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes
up and  you are completely right however you have all the time in the
world since and I'm not trying to offend  you, but once you told me
that you don't work and if I am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have
to go a million steps to be able use a  computer if  you are blind.
Sighted people all they do is click and drag all day long. If they use
any  key strokes it is the windows key strokes since they don't need to

know any key strokes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM
To: 'Nick Sarames' <nicksara...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

I agree either accept the offer or don't.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys
(for example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so
probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but
others need far more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have
to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or
commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well).

On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:


-Original Message-
From: Kurlander Richard (75)
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' <talk-l...@window-eyes.com>
Subject: whole migrating situation

As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are
us

RE: FW: whole migrating situation

2017-05-17 Thread Kurlander Richard (750000) via Talk 
How am I unreasonable when mlb wasn't working you would be moaning and groaning 
calling everyone you could since you have the time to do  it since you don't 
work. You seem to be knowledgable, so why don't you go to vfo and ask them if 
they can use you  as a consultant so you can get paid?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:55 AM
To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

Wow your unreasonable to say the least

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:50 AM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

AI have a full time job, a lot of blindpeople are unemployeed and they don't
have the money to even buy software or embossers if they want to braille. gw
micro should have been working with microsoft from the getgo. People can
work from home and work in their underwear to help people, that's why vfo
should have 24 hour tech support. t
04:25 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
>Richard,
>
>Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. 
>That has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if 
>not from their inception.
>
>However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech
capability.
>Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is 
>not designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not 
>have good enough functionality for anything other than the simplest.
>
>Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions 
>for the problem came up with speech reading software.
>
>I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power 
>full time for many years for nothing.
>How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their families?
>
>~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader 
>manufacturers.
>
>
>
>
>Regards, John
>
>Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
>Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk
>[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
>Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM
>To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation
>
>It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people 
>do not need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra 
>software and even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind 
>people should be given software so they can survive in this tech world. 
>I've read many  of your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes 
>up and  you are completely right however you have all the time in the 
>world since and I'm not trying to offend  you, but once you told me 
>that you don't work and if I am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have 
>to go a million steps to be able use a  computer if  you are blind. 
>Sighted people all they do is click and drag all day long. If they use 
>any  key strokes it is the windows key strokes since they don't need to
know any key strokes.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk
>[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
>Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM
>To: 'Nick Sarames' <nicksara...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
><talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation
>
>I agree either accept the offer or don't.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk 
>[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
>Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
>To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
>Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation
>
>With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have 
>realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and 
>experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys 
>(for example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so 
>probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but 
>others need far more than I do.
>
>No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have 
>to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or 
>commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well).
>
>On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wro

Re: FW: whole migrating situation

2017-05-17 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk 
And what if Microsoft wasn't interested?  It would be nice if we were a 
strong economic force with leverage, but we're not.

On 5/17/2017 1:50 AM, richard kurlander via Talk wrote:
> AI have a full time job, a lot of blindpeople are unemployeed and they 
> don't have the money to even buy software or embossers if they want to 
> braille. gw micro should have been working with microsoft from the 
> getgo. People can work from home and work in their underwear to help 
> people, that's why vfo should have 24 hour tech support. t 04:25 PM 
> 5/16/2017, you wrote:
>> Richard,
>>
>> Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. That
>> has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if not 
>> from
>> their inception.
>>
>> However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech 
>> capability.
>> Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is not
>> designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not have 
>> good
>> enough functionality for anything other than the simplest.
>>
>> Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the 
>> solutions for
>> the problem came up with speech reading software.
>>
>> I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain 
>> power full
>> time for many years for nothing.
>> How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their 
>> families?
>>
>> ~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader
>> manufacturers.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards, John
>>
>> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
>> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM
>> To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation
>>
>> It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people 
>> do not
>> need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra 
>> software and
>> even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be
>> given software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many  of
>> your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and  you are
>> completely right however you have all the time in the world since and I'm
>> not trying to offend  you, but once you told me that you don't work 
>> and if I
>> am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be 
>> able
>> use a  computer if  you are blind. Sighted people all they do is click 
>> and
>> drag all day long. If they use any  key strokes it is the windows key
>> strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM
>> To: 'Nick Sarames' <nicksara...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation
>>
>> I agree either accept the offer or don't.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
>> To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation
>>
>> With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
>> realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
>> experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
>> example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so 
>> probably
>> any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others 
>> need far
>> more than I do.
>>
>> No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
>> adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
>> (meaning for the sighted public as well).
>>
>> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Kurlander Richard (75)
>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
>> > To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' <talk-l...@window-eyes.com>
>>

RE: FW: whole migrating situation

2017-05-16 Thread Dennis Long via Talk 
Wow your unreasonable to say the least

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:50 AM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

AI have a full time job, a lot of blindpeople are unemployeed and they don't
have the money to even buy software or embossers if they want to braille. gw
micro should have been working with microsoft from the getgo. People can
work from home and work in their underwear to help people, that's why vfo
should have 24 hour tech support. t
04:25 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
>Richard,
>
>Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. 
>That has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if 
>not from their inception.
>
>However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech
capability.
>Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is 
>not designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not 
>have good enough functionality for anything other than the simplest.
>
>Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions 
>for the problem came up with speech reading software.
>
>I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power 
>full time for many years for nothing.
>How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their families?
>
>~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader 
>manufacturers.
>
>
>
>
>Regards, John
>
>Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
>Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk
>[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (750000) via Talk
>Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM
>To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation
>
>It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people 
>do not need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra 
>software and even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind 
>people should be given software so they can survive in this tech world. 
>I've read many  of your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes 
>up and  you are completely right however you have all the time in the 
>world since and I'm not trying to offend  you, but once you told me 
>that you don't work and if I am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have 
>to go a million steps to be able use a  computer if  you are blind. 
>Sighted people all they do is click and drag all day long. If they use 
>any  key strokes it is the windows key strokes since they don't need to
know any key strokes.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk
>[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
>Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM
>To: 'Nick Sarames' <nicksara...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
><talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation
>
>I agree either accept the offer or don't.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk 
>[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
>Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
>To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
>Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation
>
>With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have 
>realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and 
>experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys 
>(for example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so 
>probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but 
>others need far more than I do.
>
>No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have 
>to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or 
>commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well).
>
>On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kurlander Richard (75)
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
> > To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' <talk-l...@window-eyes.com>
> > Subject: whole migrating situation
> >
> > As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are 
> > using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and 
> > Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since 
> > vfo bought all these other companies that they should tried to make 
> > the screen readers as close to each othe

RE: FW: whole migrating situation

2017-05-16 Thread richard kurlander via Talk 
AI have a full time job, a lot of blindpeople are unemployeed and 
they don't have the money to even buy software or embossers if they 
want to braille. gw micro should have been working with microsoft 
from the getgo. People can work from home and work in their underwear 
to help people, that's why vfo should have 24 hour tech support. t 
04:25 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:

Richard,

Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. That
has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if not from
their inception.

However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech capability.
Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is not
designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not have good
enough functionality for anything other than the simplest.

Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions for
the problem came up with speech reading software.

I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power full
time for many years for nothing.
How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their families?

~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader
manufacturers.




Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM
To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do not
need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software and
even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be
given software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many  of
your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and  you are
completely right however you have all the time in the world since and I'm
not trying to offend  you, but once you told me that you don't work and if I
am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be able
use a  computer if  you are blind. Sighted people all they do is click and
drag all day long. If they use any  key strokes it is the windows key
strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM
To: 'Nick Sarames' <nicksara...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

I agree either accept the offer or don't.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably
any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far
more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
(meaning for the sighted public as well).

On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' <talk-l...@window-eyes.com>
> Subject: whole migrating situation
>
> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are
> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and
> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo
> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the
> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have
> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers
> you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not
> use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep
> switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes
> keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants
> everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more.
> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or
> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I
> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are
> the cheat sheets that
  c
>   an

Re: FW: whole migrating situation

2017-05-16 Thread Loy via Talk 
There is nothing free, someone has to pay for it. You can't expect a company 
like GWMicro to provide WE to blind people. free. However a company like 
Microsoft could develope a screen reader where all blind people could have 
access, the cost could be spread acros millions of Windows user and cost 
would minial.


- Original Message - 
From: "Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: "Dennis Long" <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:27 PM
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation


It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do 
not need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra 
software and even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind 
people should be given software so they can survive in this tech world. 
I've read many  of your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up 
and  you are completely right however you have all the time in the world 
since and I'm not trying to offend  you, but once you told me that you 
don't work and if I am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a 
million steps to be able use a  computer if  you are blind. Sighted people 
all they do is click and drag all day long. If they use any  key strokes 
it is the windows key strokes since they don't need to know any key 
strokes.


-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM
To: 'Nick Sarames' <nicksara...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

I agree either accept the offer or don't.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably
any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need 
far

more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
(meaning for the sighted public as well).

On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:



-Original Message-
From: Kurlander Richard (75)
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' <talk-l...@window-eyes.com>
Subject: whole migrating situation

As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are
using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and
Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo
bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the
screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have
to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers
you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not
use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep
switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes
keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants
everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more.
I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or
listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I
have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are
the cheat sheets that

 c

  an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All

screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you
have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as 
well

as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The
Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all 
screne

readers.

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Re: FW: whole migrating situation

2017-05-16 Thread Singing Sparrow via Talk 
narrator first started in windows xp I remember me and my mother talking 
to microsoft  at the time and we actually got to speak with bill gates 
about putting speech into windows which I am glad he had taken the idea 
and put speech into windows.



On 5/16/2017 3:25 PM, John Farley via Talk wrote:

Richard,

Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. That
has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if not from
their inception.

However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech capability.
Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is not
designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not have good
enough functionality for anything other than the simplest.

Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions for
the problem came up with speech reading software.

I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power full
time for many years for nothing.
How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their families?

~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader
manufacturers.




Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM
To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do not
need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software and
even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be
given software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many  of
your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and  you are
completely right however you have all the time in the world since and I'm
not trying to offend  you, but once you told me that you don't work and if I
am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be able
use a  computer if  you are blind. Sighted people all they do is click and
drag all day long. If they use any  key strokes it is the windows key
strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM
To: 'Nick Sarames' <nicksara...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

I agree either accept the offer or don't.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably
any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far
more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
(meaning for the sighted public as well).

On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:


-Original Message-
From: Kurlander Richard (75)
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' <talk-l...@window-eyes.com>
Subject: whole migrating situation

As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are
using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and
Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo
bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the
screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have
to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers
you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not
use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep
switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes
keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants
everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more.
I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or
listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I
have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are
the cheat sheets that

   c

   an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All

screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you
have to do and  that  is where vfo

Re: FW: whole migrating situation

2017-05-16 Thread Matthew Chao via Talk 
If Microsoft really wanted to push product and promote customer goodwill 
(not that they need to do that), they'd follow Apple's lead and make 
Windows more accessible out of the box.  I'm not happy about the 
Window-Eyes debacle, nor the monoply that VFO appears to be creating.  
Perhaps we as a group should be louder in what we want to remain 
productive.  For me, an easy-to-use and unobtrusive screenreader is a 
big priority.  That's just for starters.  Just my thoughts.--Matthew Chao.





On 5/16/2017 4:25 PM, John Farley via Talk wrote:

Richard,

Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. That
has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if not from
their inception.

However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech capability.
Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is not
designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not have good
enough functionality for anything other than the simplest.

Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions for
the problem came up with speech reading software.

I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power full
time for many years for nothing.
How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their families?

~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader
manufacturers.




Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM
To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do not
need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software and
even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be
given software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many  of
your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and  you are
completely right however you have all the time in the world since and I'm
not trying to offend  you, but once you told me that you don't work and if I
am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be able
use a  computer if  you are blind. Sighted people all they do is click and
drag all day long. If they use any  key strokes it is the windows key
strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM
To: 'Nick Sarames' <nicksara...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

I agree either accept the offer or don't.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably
any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far
more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
(meaning for the sighted public as well).

On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:


-Original Message-
From: Kurlander Richard (75)
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' <talk-l...@window-eyes.com>
Subject: whole migrating situation

As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are
using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and
Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo
bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the
screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have
to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers
you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not
use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep
switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes
keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants
everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more.
I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or
listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I
have the time or energy to have to liste

RE: FW: whole migrating situation

2017-05-16 Thread John Farley via Talk 
Richard,

Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. That
has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if not from
their inception.

However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech capability.
Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is not
designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not have good
enough functionality for anything other than the simplest.

Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions for
the problem came up with speech reading software. 

I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power full
time for many years for nothing.
How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their families?

~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader
manufacturers.




Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM
To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do not
need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software and
even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be
given software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many  of
your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and  you are
completely right however you have all the time in the world since and I'm
not trying to offend  you, but once you told me that you don't work and if I
am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be able
use a  computer if  you are blind. Sighted people all they do is click and
drag all day long. If they use any  key strokes it is the windows key
strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM
To: 'Nick Sarames' <nicksara...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

I agree either accept the offer or don't.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably
any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far
more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
(meaning for the sighted public as well).

On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' <talk-l...@window-eyes.com>
> Subject: whole migrating situation
> 
> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are 
> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and 
> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo 
> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the 
> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have 
> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers 
> you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not 
> use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep 
> switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes 
> keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants 
> everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more. 
> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or 
> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I 
> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are 
> the cheat sheets that
  c
>   an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All
screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you
have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well
as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The
Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trai

RE: FW: whole migrating situation

2017-05-16 Thread Joseph Norton via Talk 
So, blind people shouldn’t need to use a cane to get around.  We shouldn’t need 
a guide dog either.  Sighted people just walk around all day.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:39 PM
To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do not 
need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software and 
even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be given 
software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many  of your 
e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and  you are completely right 
however you have all the time in the world since and I'm not trying to offend  
you, but once you told me that you don't work and if I am wrong now I'm sorry. 
You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be able use a  computer if  you are 
blind. Sighted people all they do is click and drag all day long. If they use 
any  key strokes it is the windows key strokes since they don't need to know 
any key strokes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM
To: 'Nick Sarames' <nicksara...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

I agree either accept the offer or don't.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably
any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far
more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
(meaning for the sighted public as well).

On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' <talk-l...@window-eyes.com>
> Subject: whole migrating situation
> 
> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are 
> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and 
> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo 
> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the 
> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have 
> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers 
> you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not 
> use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep 
> switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes 
> keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants 
> everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more. 
> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or 
> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I 
> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are 
> the cheat sheets that
  c
>   an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All
screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you
have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well
as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The
Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne
readers.
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RE: FW: whole migrating situation

2017-05-16 Thread Kurlander Richard (750000) via Talk 
It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do not 
need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software and 
even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be given 
software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many  of your 
e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and  you are completely right 
however you have all the time in the world since and I'm not trying to offend  
you, but once you told me that you don't work and if I am wrong now I'm sorry. 
You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be able use a  computer if  you are 
blind. Sighted people all they do is click and drag all day long. If they use 
any  key strokes it is the windows key strokes since they don't need to know 
any key strokes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM
To: 'Nick Sarames' <nicksara...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

I agree either accept the offer or don't.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably
any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far
more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
(meaning for the sighted public as well).

On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' <talk-l...@window-eyes.com>
> Subject: whole migrating situation
> 
> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are 
> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and 
> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo 
> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the 
> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have 
> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers 
> you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not 
> use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep 
> switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes 
> keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants 
> everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more. 
> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or 
> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I 
> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are 
> the cheat sheets that
  c
>   an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All
screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you
have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well
as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The
Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne
readers.
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author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
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RE: FW: whole migrating situation

2017-05-16 Thread Dennis Long via Talk 
I agree either accept the offer or don't.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably
any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far
more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
(meaning for the sighted public as well).

On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' <talk-l...@window-eyes.com>
> Subject: whole migrating situation
> 
> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are 
> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and 
> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo 
> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the 
> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have 
> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers 
> you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not 
> use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep 
> switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes 
> keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants 
> everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more. 
> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or 
> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I 
> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are 
> the cheat sheets that
  c
>   an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All
screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you
have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well
as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The
Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne
readers.
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
> 
> For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40
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Re: FW: whole migrating situation

2017-05-16 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk 
With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have 
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and 
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for 
example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so 
probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but 
others need far more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to 
adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or 
commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well).

On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
> Subject: whole migrating situation
> 
> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using 
> window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all of 
> gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these other 
> companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close to each 
> other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader. I think 
> that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab 
> keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in 
> the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a 
> window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft 
> wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more. 
> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or listen to 
> pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I have the time or 
> energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are the cheat sheets that
  c
>   an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All 
> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you 
> have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well 
> as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The 
> Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne 
> readers.
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Re: FW: whole migrating situation

2017-05-16 Thread Matthew Chao via Talk 

That's one thing that's predictable: CHANGE!--Matthew Chao




On 5/16/2017 10:28 AM, Kevin Huber via Talk wrote:

Hi Richard:

We have to realize that Change happens whether we like it or not, and
we have to get used to it.  Many people did not like when DOS was
fazed out, if you remember, but we had to adapt and most of us did.

I don't think that anybody intentionally sold anybody down the river.
It's just that big companies eat up smaller companies.  That's the way
it is.

Kevin Huber

On 5/16/17, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
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-Original Message-
From: Kurlander Richard (75)
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
Subject: whole migrating situation

As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using
window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all
of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these
other companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close
to each other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader.
I think that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow
keys, tab keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is
a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have
had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that
Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome
any  more. I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel
or listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I
have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are the
cheat sheets that c
  an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All
screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you
have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well
as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The
Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne
readers.
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Re: FW: whole migrating situation

2017-05-16 Thread Kevin Huber via Talk 
Hi Richard:

We have to realize that Change happens whether we like it or not, and
we have to get used to it.  Many people did not like when DOS was
fazed out, if you remember, but we had to adapt and most of us did.

I don't think that anybody intentionally sold anybody down the river.
It's just that big companies eat up smaller companies.  That's the way
it is.

Kevin Huber

On 5/16/17, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
 wrote:
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
> Subject: whole migrating situation
>
> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using
> window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all
> of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these
> other companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close
> to each other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader.
> I think that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow
> keys, tab keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is
> a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have
> had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that
> Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome
> any  more. I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel
> or listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I
> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are the
> cheat sheets that c
>  an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All
> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you
> have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well
> as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The
> Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne
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