Re: installing Windows 10
Richard, As mentioned, there are a couple screens that come up that do not have Window-Eyes running. These couple screens will require you to run Narrator. But all other places the upgrade process will allow Window-Eyes to run and be used. Doug On 7/27/2015 12:57 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) wrote: So if I understand right when I put 9.2 on my windows 8.1 machine I can install windows 10 using windoweyes and it will talk or do I have to use narrator? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 12:39 PM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Re: installing Windows 10 Don, There are four scenarios when it comes to Windows 10 and Window-Eyes. Let me address each. 1) You get a new computer and it already has Windows 10 installed You must have the full Window-Eyes 9.2 installer. Windows 10 will block the installation of any version less than 9.2. 2) You manually install Windows 10 on a system Windows 10 is no different than any other operating system at this point. Window-Eyes itself can not be installed until Windows 10 itself is fully installed so you would need to use Windows Narrator to help you with the Windows 10 installation. Windows Narrator can be launched with Windows-Enter. 3) You are upgrading from Windows 7 to Windows 10 You must have Window-Eyes 9.2 installed on your Windows 7 system before the Windows 10 upgrade will allow you to continue. I have not seen the final Windows 10 upgrade which will start being pushed out on Wednesday so I can't say specifically what will happen but on the internal builds I've been testing I've seen the following. I had Windows 9.2 installed and running on my Windows 7 system when I started the Windows 10 upgrade. Everything was working well and speaking perfectly. However, there are eventually two back to back screens which have Window-Eyes unloaded and require you to launch Narrator. After those two screens the upgrade will continue and Window-Eyes will eventually launch and be working under Windows 10. However, under Windows 7 only there is a problem with the Window-Eyes accessibility driver. The issue is Windows 7 requires a mirror driver which Window-Eyes has. But after the upgrade, Windows 10 does not support mirror drivers so it blocks them leaving Window-Eyes without the driver causing there to be no off screen model. In most cases you don't even need an off screen model but it is still important to resolve this. The easiest way to resolve this is to simply run your Window-Eyes 9.2 upgrade on itself under Windows 10. So after Window 10 has been installed just download your Window-Eyes 9.2 upgrade and run it. This will install the necessary accessibility driver causing you to have a full 9.2 working copy under Windows 10. 4) You are upgrading from Windows 8.x to Windows 10 You must have Window-eyes 9.2 installed on your Windows 8 system before the Windows 10 upgrade will allow you to continue. Like Windows 7 there are a couple screens that come up without Window-Eyes running so you will need Narrator. After that Window-Eyes will come up and your Windows 10 will be running perfectly with Window-Eyes 9.2. There is nothing extra you need to do. Windows 8 and Windows 10 both use an accessibility driver, not a mirror driver, so life is good after the upgrade. Regarding how Microsoft is going to upgrading a billion devices to Windows 10, there is an interesting blog post you may find interesting: http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/07/02/windows-10-preparing-to-upgrade-one-billion-devices/ Regards, Doug On 7/27/2015 10:44 AM, Don H via Talk wrote: When Windows 10 becomes available can it be installed without sighted help? Will WE 9.2 have to be reinstalled after installing Win 10? Thanks ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgeoffray%40aisquared.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rkurlan%40schools.nyc.gov. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views
Re: installing Windows 10
Don, There are four scenarios when it comes to Windows 10 and Window-Eyes. Let me address each. 1) You get a new computer and it already has Windows 10 installed You must have the full Window-Eyes 9.2 installer. Windows 10 will block the installation of any version less than 9.2. 2) You manually install Windows 10 on a system Windows 10 is no different than any other operating system at this point. Window-Eyes itself can not be installed until Windows 10 itself is fully installed so you would need to use Windows Narrator to help you with the Windows 10 installation. Windows Narrator can be launched with Windows-Enter. 3) You are upgrading from Windows 7 to Windows 10 You must have Window-Eyes 9.2 installed on your Windows 7 system before the Windows 10 upgrade will allow you to continue. I have not seen the final Windows 10 upgrade which will start being pushed out on Wednesday so I can't say specifically what will happen but on the internal builds I've been testing I've seen the following. I had Windows 9.2 installed and running on my Windows 7 system when I started the Windows 10 upgrade. Everything was working well and speaking perfectly. However, there are eventually two back to back screens which have Window-Eyes unloaded and require you to launch Narrator. After those two screens the upgrade will continue and Window-Eyes will eventually launch and be working under Windows 10. However, under Windows 7 only there is a problem with the Window-Eyes accessibility driver. The issue is Windows 7 requires a mirror driver which Window-Eyes has. But after the upgrade, Windows 10 does not support mirror drivers so it blocks them leaving Window-Eyes without the driver causing there to be no off screen model. In most cases you don't even need an off screen model but it is still important to resolve this. The easiest way to resolve this is to simply run your Window-Eyes 9.2 upgrade on itself under Windows 10. So after Window 10 has been installed just download your Window-Eyes 9.2 upgrade and run it. This will install the necessary accessibility driver causing you to have a full 9.2 working copy under Windows 10. 4) You are upgrading from Windows 8.x to Windows 10 You must have Window-eyes 9.2 installed on your Windows 8 system before the Windows 10 upgrade will allow you to continue. Like Windows 7 there are a couple screens that come up without Window-Eyes running so you will need Narrator. After that Window-Eyes will come up and your Windows 10 will be running perfectly with Window-Eyes 9.2. There is nothing extra you need to do. Windows 8 and Windows 10 both use an accessibility driver, not a mirror driver, so life is good after the upgrade. Regarding how Microsoft is going to upgrading a billion devices to Windows 10, there is an interesting blog post you may find interesting: http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/07/02/windows-10-preparing-to-upgrade-one-billion-devices/ Regards, Doug On 7/27/2015 10:44 AM, Don H via Talk wrote: When Windows 10 becomes available can it be installed without sighted help? Will WE 9.2 have to be reinstalled after installing Win 10? Thanks ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgeoffray%40aisquared.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: installing Windows 10
So if I understand right when I put 9.2 on my windows 8.1 machine I can install windows 10 using windoweyes and it will talk or do I have to use narrator? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 12:39 PM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Re: installing Windows 10 Don, There are four scenarios when it comes to Windows 10 and Window-Eyes. Let me address each. 1) You get a new computer and it already has Windows 10 installed You must have the full Window-Eyes 9.2 installer. Windows 10 will block the installation of any version less than 9.2. 2) You manually install Windows 10 on a system Windows 10 is no different than any other operating system at this point. Window-Eyes itself can not be installed until Windows 10 itself is fully installed so you would need to use Windows Narrator to help you with the Windows 10 installation. Windows Narrator can be launched with Windows-Enter. 3) You are upgrading from Windows 7 to Windows 10 You must have Window-Eyes 9.2 installed on your Windows 7 system before the Windows 10 upgrade will allow you to continue. I have not seen the final Windows 10 upgrade which will start being pushed out on Wednesday so I can't say specifically what will happen but on the internal builds I've been testing I've seen the following. I had Windows 9.2 installed and running on my Windows 7 system when I started the Windows 10 upgrade. Everything was working well and speaking perfectly. However, there are eventually two back to back screens which have Window-Eyes unloaded and require you to launch Narrator. After those two screens the upgrade will continue and Window-Eyes will eventually launch and be working under Windows 10. However, under Windows 7 only there is a problem with the Window-Eyes accessibility driver. The issue is Windows 7 requires a mirror driver which Window-Eyes has. But after the upgrade, Windows 10 does not support mirror drivers so it blocks them leaving Window-Eyes without the driver causing there to be no off screen model. In most cases you don't even need an off screen model but it is still important to resolve this. The easiest way to resolve this is to simply run your Window-Eyes 9.2 upgrade on itself under Windows 10. So after Window 10 has been installed just download your Window-Eyes 9.2 upgrade and run it. This will install the necessary accessibility driver causing you to have a full 9.2 working copy under Windows 10. 4) You are upgrading from Windows 8.x to Windows 10 You must have Window-eyes 9.2 installed on your Windows 8 system before the Windows 10 upgrade will allow you to continue. Like Windows 7 there are a couple screens that come up without Window-Eyes running so you will need Narrator. After that Window-Eyes will come up and your Windows 10 will be running perfectly with Window-Eyes 9.2. There is nothing extra you need to do. Windows 8 and Windows 10 both use an accessibility driver, not a mirror driver, so life is good after the upgrade. Regarding how Microsoft is going to upgrading a billion devices to Windows 10, there is an interesting blog post you may find interesting: http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/07/02/windows-10-preparing-to-upgrade-one-billion-devices/ Regards, Doug On 7/27/2015 10:44 AM, Don H via Talk wrote: When Windows 10 becomes available can it be installed without sighted help? Will WE 9.2 have to be reinstalled after installing Win 10? Thanks ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgeoffray%40aisquared.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rkurlan%40schools.nyc.gov. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: installing Windows 10
Thanks when I decide to upgrade to windows 10 hopefully everything will work. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 1:06 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: installing Windows 10 Richard, As mentioned, there are a couple screens that come up that do not have Window-Eyes running. These couple screens will require you to run Narrator. But all other places the upgrade process will allow Window-Eyes to run and be used. Doug On 7/27/2015 12:57 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) wrote: So if I understand right when I put 9.2 on my windows 8.1 machine I can install windows 10 using windoweyes and it will talk or do I have to use narrator? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 12:39 PM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Re: installing Windows 10 Don, There are four scenarios when it comes to Windows 10 and Window-Eyes. Let me address each. 1) You get a new computer and it already has Windows 10 installed You must have the full Window-Eyes 9.2 installer. Windows 10 will block the installation of any version less than 9.2. 2) You manually install Windows 10 on a system Windows 10 is no different than any other operating system at this point. Window-Eyes itself can not be installed until Windows 10 itself is fully installed so you would need to use Windows Narrator to help you with the Windows 10 installation. Windows Narrator can be launched with Windows-Enter. 3) You are upgrading from Windows 7 to Windows 10 You must have Window-Eyes 9.2 installed on your Windows 7 system before the Windows 10 upgrade will allow you to continue. I have not seen the final Windows 10 upgrade which will start being pushed out on Wednesday so I can't say specifically what will happen but on the internal builds I've been testing I've seen the following. I had Windows 9.2 installed and running on my Windows 7 system when I started the Windows 10 upgrade. Everything was working well and speaking perfectly. However, there are eventually two back to back screens which have Window-Eyes unloaded and require you to launch Narrator. After those two screens the upgrade will continue and Window-Eyes will eventually launch and be working under Windows 10. However, under Windows 7 only there is a problem with the Window-Eyes accessibility driver. The issue is Windows 7 requires a mirror driver which Window-Eyes has. But after the upgrade, Windows 10 does not support mirror drivers so it blocks them leaving Window-Eyes without the driver causing there to be no off screen model. In most cases you don't even need an off screen model but it is still important to resolve this. The easiest way to resolve this is to simply run your Window-Eyes 9.2 upgrade on itself under Windows 10. So after Window 10 has been installed just download your Window-Eyes 9.2 upgrade and run it. This will install the necessary accessibility driver causing you to have a full 9.2 working copy under Windows 10. 4) You are upgrading from Windows 8.x to Windows 10 You must have Window-eyes 9.2 installed on your Windows 8 system before the Windows 10 upgrade will allow you to continue. Like Windows 7 there are a couple screens that come up without Window-Eyes running so you will need Narrator. After that Window-Eyes will come up and your Windows 10 will be running perfectly with Window-Eyes 9.2. There is nothing extra you need to do. Windows 8 and Windows 10 both use an accessibility driver, not a mirror driver, so life is good after the upgrade. Regarding how Microsoft is going to upgrading a billion devices to Windows 10, there is an interesting blog post you may find interesting: http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/07/02/windows-10-preparing-to-upgrade-one-billion-devices/ Regards, Doug On 7/27/2015 10:44 AM, Don H via Talk wrote: When Windows 10 becomes available can it be installed without sighted help? Will WE 9.2 have to be reinstalled after installing Win 10? Thanks ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgeoffray%40aisquared.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http
Re: installing Windows 10
Hi Doug: Thanks for pointing out the problem with the mirror drivers in Windows 7. Now suppose I have Windows 7 and want to stay with it, but I have downloaded Windows 9.2. How will the lack of a mirror driver affect me? Will there be any applications which will become unusable for me? Kevin Huber On 7/27/15, Doug Geoffray via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote: Don, There are four scenarios when it comes to Windows 10 and Window-Eyes. Let me address each. 1) You get a new computer and it already has Windows 10 installed You must have the full Window-Eyes 9.2 installer. Windows 10 will block the installation of any version less than 9.2. 2) You manually install Windows 10 on a system Windows 10 is no different than any other operating system at this point. Window-Eyes itself can not be installed until Windows 10 itself is fully installed so you would need to use Windows Narrator to help you with the Windows 10 installation. Windows Narrator can be launched with Windows-Enter. 3) You are upgrading from Windows 7 to Windows 10 You must have Window-Eyes 9.2 installed on your Windows 7 system before the Windows 10 upgrade will allow you to continue. I have not seen the final Windows 10 upgrade which will start being pushed out on Wednesday so I can't say specifically what will happen but on the internal builds I've been testing I've seen the following. I had Windows 9.2 installed and running on my Windows 7 system when I started the Windows 10 upgrade. Everything was working well and speaking perfectly. However, there are eventually two back to back screens which have Window-Eyes unloaded and require you to launch Narrator. After those two screens the upgrade will continue and Window-Eyes will eventually launch and be working under Windows 10. However, under Windows 7 only there is a problem with the Window-Eyes accessibility driver. The issue is Windows 7 requires a mirror driver which Window-Eyes has. But after the upgrade, Windows 10 does not support mirror drivers so it blocks them leaving Window-Eyes without the driver causing there to be no off screen model. In most cases you don't even need an off screen model but it is still important to resolve this. The easiest way to resolve this is to simply run your Window-Eyes 9.2 upgrade on itself under Windows 10. So after Window 10 has been installed just download your Window-Eyes 9.2 upgrade and run it. This will install the necessary accessibility driver causing you to have a full 9.2 working copy under Windows 10. 4) You are upgrading from Windows 8.x to Windows 10 You must have Window-eyes 9.2 installed on your Windows 8 system before the Windows 10 upgrade will allow you to continue. Like Windows 7 there are a couple screens that come up without Window-Eyes running so you will need Narrator. After that Window-Eyes will come up and your Windows 10 will be running perfectly with Window-Eyes 9.2. There is nothing extra you need to do. Windows 8 and Windows 10 both use an accessibility driver, not a mirror driver, so life is good after the upgrade. Regarding how Microsoft is going to upgrading a billion devices to Windows 10, there is an interesting blog post you may find interesting: http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/07/02/windows-10-preparing-to-upgrade-one-billion-devices/ Regards, Doug On 7/27/2015 10:44 AM, Don H via Talk wrote: When Windows 10 becomes available can it be installed without sighted help? Will WE 9.2 have to be reinstalled after installing Win 10? Thanks ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgeoffray%40aisquared.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/huber.kevin7%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can
Re: installing Windows 10
Doug, So, during the process, how will you know when to run Narrator? On 7/27/2015 12:05 PM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote: Richard, As mentioned, there are a couple screens that come up that do not have Window-Eyes running. These couple screens will require you to run Narrator. But all other places the upgrade process will allow Window-Eyes to run and be used. Doug On 7/27/2015 12:57 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) wrote: So if I understand right when I put 9.2 on my windows 8.1 machine I can install windows 10 using windoweyes and it will talk or do I have to use narrator? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 12:39 PM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Re: installing Windows 10 Don, There are four scenarios when it comes to Windows 10 and Window-Eyes. Let me address each. 1) You get a new computer and it already has Windows 10 installed You must have the full Window-Eyes 9.2 installer. Windows 10 will block the installation of any version less than 9.2. 2) You manually install Windows 10 on a system Windows 10 is no different than any other operating system at this point. Window-Eyes itself can not be installed until Windows 10 itself is fully installed so you would need to use Windows Narrator to help you with the Windows 10 installation. Windows Narrator can be launched with Windows-Enter. 3) You are upgrading from Windows 7 to Windows 10 You must have Window-Eyes 9.2 installed on your Windows 7 system before the Windows 10 upgrade will allow you to continue. I have not seen the final Windows 10 upgrade which will start being pushed out on Wednesday so I can't say specifically what will happen but on the internal builds I've been testing I've seen the following. I had Windows 9.2 installed and running on my Windows 7 system when I started the Windows 10 upgrade. Everything was working well and speaking perfectly. However, there are eventually two back to back screens which have Window-Eyes unloaded and require you to launch Narrator. After those two screens the upgrade will continue and Window-Eyes will eventually launch and be working under Windows 10. However, under Windows 7 only there is a problem with the Window-Eyes accessibility driver. The issue is Windows 7 requires a mirror driver which Window-Eyes has. But after the upgrade, Windows 10 does not support mirror drivers so it blocks them leaving Window-Eyes without the driver causing there to be no off screen model. In most cases you don't even need an off screen model but it is still important to resolve this. The easiest way to resolve this is to simply run your Window-Eyes 9.2 upgrade on itself under Windows 10. So after Window 10 has been installed just download your Window-Eyes 9.2 upgrade and run it. This will install the necessary accessibility driver causing you to have a full 9.2 working copy under Windows 10. 4) You are upgrading from Windows 8.x to Windows 10 You must have Window-eyes 9.2 installed on your Windows 8 system before the Windows 10 upgrade will allow you to continue. Like Windows 7 there are a couple screens that come up without Window-Eyes running so you will need Narrator. After that Window-Eyes will come up and your Windows 10 will be running perfectly with Window-Eyes 9.2. There is nothing extra you need to do. Windows 8 and Windows 10 both use an accessibility driver, not a mirror driver, so life is good after the upgrade. Regarding how Microsoft is going to upgrading a billion devices to Windows 10, there is an interesting blog post you may find interesting: http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/07/02/windows-10-preparing-to-upgrade-one-billion-devices/ Regards, Doug On 7/27/2015 10:44 AM, Don H via Talk wrote: When Windows 10 becomes available can it be installed without sighted help? Will WE 9.2 have to be reinstalled after installing Win 10? Thanks ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgeoffray%40aisquared.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rkurlan%40schools.nyc.gov. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: installing Windows 10
While this could change, I've found that Narrator works after the second reboot. Regards, Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+sclower=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Lynn White via Talk Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 3:15 PM To: Doug Geoffray dgeoff...@aisquared.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Re: installing Windows 10 Doug, So, during the process, how will you know when to run Narrator? On 7/27/2015 12:05 PM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote: Richard, As mentioned, there are a couple screens that come up that do not have Window-Eyes running. These couple screens will require you to run Narrator. But all other places the upgrade process will allow Window-Eyes to run and be used. Doug On 7/27/2015 12:57 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) wrote: So if I understand right when I put 9.2 on my windows 8.1 machine I can install windows 10 using windoweyes and it will talk or do I have to use narrator? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 12:39 PM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Re: installing Windows 10 Don, There are four scenarios when it comes to Windows 10 and Window-Eyes. Let me address each. 1) You get a new computer and it already has Windows 10 installed You must have the full Window-Eyes 9.2 installer. Windows 10 will block the installation of any version less than 9.2. 2) You manually install Windows 10 on a system Windows 10 is no different than any other operating system at this point. Window-Eyes itself can not be installed until Windows 10 itself is fully installed so you would need to use Windows Narrator to help you with the Windows 10 installation. Windows Narrator can be launched with Windows-Enter. 3) You are upgrading from Windows 7 to Windows 10 You must have Window-Eyes 9.2 installed on your Windows 7 system before the Windows 10 upgrade will allow you to continue. I have not seen the final Windows 10 upgrade which will start being pushed out on Wednesday so I can't say specifically what will happen but on the internal builds I've been testing I've seen the following. I had Windows 9.2 installed and running on my Windows 7 system when I started the Windows 10 upgrade. Everything was working well and speaking perfectly. However, there are eventually two back to back screens which have Window-Eyes unloaded and require you to launch Narrator. After those two screens the upgrade will continue and Window-Eyes will eventually launch and be working under Windows 10. However, under Windows 7 only there is a problem with the Window-Eyes accessibility driver. The issue is Windows 7 requires a mirror driver which Window-Eyes has. But after the upgrade, Windows 10 does not support mirror drivers so it blocks them leaving Window-Eyes without the driver causing there to be no off screen model. In most cases you don't even need an off screen model but it is still important to resolve this. The easiest way to resolve this is to simply run your Window-Eyes 9.2 upgrade on itself under Windows 10. So after Window 10 has been installed just download your Window-Eyes 9.2 upgrade and run it. This will install the necessary accessibility driver causing you to have a full 9.2 working copy under Windows 10. 4) You are upgrading from Windows 8.x to Windows 10 You must have Window-eyes 9.2 installed on your Windows 8 system before the Windows 10 upgrade will allow you to continue. Like Windows 7 there are a couple screens that come up without Window-Eyes running so you will need Narrator. After that Window-Eyes will come up and your Windows 10 will be running perfectly with Window-Eyes 9.2. There is nothing extra you need to do. Windows 8 and Windows 10 both use an accessibility driver, not a mirror driver, so life is good after the upgrade. Regarding how Microsoft is going to upgrading a billion devices to Windows 10, there is an interesting blog post you may find interesting: http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/07/02/windows-10-preparing-to-upgrade-one-billion-devices/ Regards, Doug On 7/27/2015 10:44 AM, Don H via Talk wrote: When Windows 10 becomes available can it be installed without sighted help? Will WE 9.2 have to be reinstalled after installing Win 10? Thanks ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgeoffray%40aisquared.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: installing Windows 10
Hi, Start the process, after it reboots, walk away. Go have some coffee or a drink. Come back after 20 to 30 minutes and try windows-enter. If Windows 10 is ready narrator will come up. Chris Window-Eyes Product Support Ai Squared 725 Airport North Office Park Fort Wayne, IN 46825 (802) 362-3612 www.aisquared.com -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Lynn White via Talk Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 3:15 PM To: Doug Geoffray dgeoff...@aisquared.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Re: installing Windows 10 Doug, So, during the process, how will you know when to run Narrator? On 7/27/2015 12:05 PM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote: Richard, As mentioned, there are a couple screens that come up that do not have Window-Eyes running. These couple screens will require you to run Narrator. But all other places the upgrade process will allow Window-Eyes to run and be used. Doug On 7/27/2015 12:57 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) wrote: So if I understand right when I put 9.2 on my windows 8.1 machine I can install windows 10 using windoweyes and it will talk or do I have to use narrator? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 12:39 PM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Re: installing Windows 10 Don, There are four scenarios when it comes to Windows 10 and Window-Eyes. Let me address each. 1) You get a new computer and it already has Windows 10 installed You must have the full Window-Eyes 9.2 installer. Windows 10 will block the installation of any version less than 9.2. 2) You manually install Windows 10 on a system Windows 10 is no different than any other operating system at this point. Window-Eyes itself can not be installed until Windows 10 itself is fully installed so you would need to use Windows Narrator to help you with the Windows 10 installation. Windows Narrator can be launched with Windows-Enter. 3) You are upgrading from Windows 7 to Windows 10 You must have Window-Eyes 9.2 installed on your Windows 7 system before the Windows 10 upgrade will allow you to continue. I have not seen the final Windows 10 upgrade which will start being pushed out on Wednesday so I can't say specifically what will happen but on the internal builds I've been testing I've seen the following. I had Windows 9.2 installed and running on my Windows 7 system when I started the Windows 10 upgrade. Everything was working well and speaking perfectly. However, there are eventually two back to back screens which have Window-Eyes unloaded and require you to launch Narrator. After those two screens the upgrade will continue and Window-Eyes will eventually launch and be working under Windows 10. However, under Windows 7 only there is a problem with the Window-Eyes accessibility driver. The issue is Windows 7 requires a mirror driver which Window-Eyes has. But after the upgrade, Windows 10 does not support mirror drivers so it blocks them leaving Window-Eyes without the driver causing there to be no off screen model. In most cases you don't even need an off screen model but it is still important to resolve this. The easiest way to resolve this is to simply run your Window-Eyes 9.2 upgrade on itself under Windows 10. So after Window 10 has been installed just download your Window-Eyes 9.2 upgrade and run it. This will install the necessary accessibility driver causing you to have a full 9.2 working copy under Windows 10. 4) You are upgrading from Windows 8.x to Windows 10 You must have Window-eyes 9.2 installed on your Windows 8 system before the Windows 10 upgrade will allow you to continue. Like Windows 7 there are a couple screens that come up without Window-Eyes running so you will need Narrator. After that Window-Eyes will come up and your Windows 10 will be running perfectly with Window-Eyes 9.2. There is nothing extra you need to do. Windows 8 and Windows 10 both use an accessibility driver, not a mirror driver, so life is good after the upgrade. Regarding how Microsoft is going to upgrading a billion devices to Windows 10, there is an interesting blog post you may find interesting: http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/07/02/windows-10-prepar ing-to-upgrade-one-billion-devices/ Regards, Doug On 7/27/2015 10:44 AM, Don H via Talk wrote: When Windows 10 becomes available can it be installed without sighted help? Will WE 9.2 have to be reinstalled after installing Win 10? Thanks ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com
Re: installing Windows 10
Kevin, Oh, there is no problem at all if you just stay with Windows 7. The upgrade always contains the mirror driver when being installed under Windows Vista and Windows 7 and the accessibility driver when being installed under Windows 8.x and Windows 10. It just figures out your environment and installs the correct one. The issue is only when you upgrade from Windows 7 to 10 because the driver itself never got switched from mirror to accessibility. But since all Window-Eyes upgrade installers have everything, this is why I suggested just running it after going to 10 as it will realize you are in 10 and install the accessibility driver. Doug On 7/27/2015 4:02 PM, Kevin Huber wrote: Hi Doug: Thanks for pointing out the problem with the mirror drivers in Windows 7. Now suppose I have Windows 7 and want to stay with it, but I have downloaded Windows 9.2. How will the lack of a mirror driver affect me? Will there be any applications which will become unusable for me? Kevin Huber On 7/27/15, Doug Geoffray via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote: Don, There are four scenarios when it comes to Windows 10 and Window-Eyes. Let me address each. 1) You get a new computer and it already has Windows 10 installed You must have the full Window-Eyes 9.2 installer. Windows 10 will block the installation of any version less than 9.2. 2) You manually install Windows 10 on a system Windows 10 is no different than any other operating system at this point. Window-Eyes itself can not be installed until Windows 10 itself is fully installed so you would need to use Windows Narrator to help you with the Windows 10 installation. Windows Narrator can be launched with Windows-Enter. 3) You are upgrading from Windows 7 to Windows 10 You must have Window-Eyes 9.2 installed on your Windows 7 system before the Windows 10 upgrade will allow you to continue. I have not seen the final Windows 10 upgrade which will start being pushed out on Wednesday so I can't say specifically what will happen but on the internal builds I've been testing I've seen the following. I had Windows 9.2 installed and running on my Windows 7 system when I started the Windows 10 upgrade. Everything was working well and speaking perfectly. However, there are eventually two back to back screens which have Window-Eyes unloaded and require you to launch Narrator. After those two screens the upgrade will continue and Window-Eyes will eventually launch and be working under Windows 10. However, under Windows 7 only there is a problem with the Window-Eyes accessibility driver. The issue is Windows 7 requires a mirror driver which Window-Eyes has. But after the upgrade, Windows 10 does not support mirror drivers so it blocks them leaving Window-Eyes without the driver causing there to be no off screen model. In most cases you don't even need an off screen model but it is still important to resolve this. The easiest way to resolve this is to simply run your Window-Eyes 9.2 upgrade on itself under Windows 10. So after Window 10 has been installed just download your Window-Eyes 9.2 upgrade and run it. This will install the necessary accessibility driver causing you to have a full 9.2 working copy under Windows 10. 4) You are upgrading from Windows 8.x to Windows 10 You must have Window-eyes 9.2 installed on your Windows 8 system before the Windows 10 upgrade will allow you to continue. Like Windows 7 there are a couple screens that come up without Window-Eyes running so you will need Narrator. After that Window-Eyes will come up and your Windows 10 will be running perfectly with Window-Eyes 9.2. There is nothing extra you need to do. Windows 8 and Windows 10 both use an accessibility driver, not a mirror driver, so life is good after the upgrade. Regarding how Microsoft is going to upgrading a billion devices to Windows 10, there is an interesting blog post you may find interesting: http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/07/02/windows-10-preparing-to-upgrade-one-billion-devices/ Regards, Doug On 7/27/2015 10:44 AM, Don H via Talk wrote: When Windows 10 becomes available can it be installed without sighted help? Will WE 9.2 have to be reinstalled after installing Win 10? Thanks ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgeoffray%40aisquared.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For
Re: installing Windows 10
Thanks Doug: That's a great relief. Kevin Huber On 7/27/15, Doug Geoffray via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote: Kevin, Oh, there is no problem at all if you just stay with Windows 7. The upgrade always contains the mirror driver when being installed under Windows Vista and Windows 7 and the accessibility driver when being installed under Windows 8.x and Windows 10. It just figures out your environment and installs the correct one. The issue is only when you upgrade from Windows 7 to 10 because the driver itself never got switched from mirror to accessibility. But since all Window-Eyes upgrade installers have everything, this is why I suggested just running it after going to 10 as it will realize you are in 10 and install the accessibility driver. Doug On 7/27/2015 4:02 PM, Kevin Huber wrote: Hi Doug: Thanks for pointing out the problem with the mirror drivers in Windows 7. Now suppose I have Windows 7 and want to stay with it, but I have downloaded Windows 9.2. How will the lack of a mirror driver affect me? Will there be any applications which will become unusable for me? Kevin Huber On 7/27/15, Doug Geoffray via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote: Don, There are four scenarios when it comes to Windows 10 and Window-Eyes. Let me address each. 1) You get a new computer and it already has Windows 10 installed You must have the full Window-Eyes 9.2 installer. Windows 10 will block the installation of any version less than 9.2. 2) You manually install Windows 10 on a system Windows 10 is no different than any other operating system at this point. Window-Eyes itself can not be installed until Windows 10 itself is fully installed so you would need to use Windows Narrator to help you with the Windows 10 installation. Windows Narrator can be launched with Windows-Enter. 3) You are upgrading from Windows 7 to Windows 10 You must have Window-Eyes 9.2 installed on your Windows 7 system before the Windows 10 upgrade will allow you to continue. I have not seen the final Windows 10 upgrade which will start being pushed out on Wednesday so I can't say specifically what will happen but on the internal builds I've been testing I've seen the following. I had Windows 9.2 installed and running on my Windows 7 system when I started the Windows 10 upgrade. Everything was working well and speaking perfectly. However, there are eventually two back to back screens which have Window-Eyes unloaded and require you to launch Narrator. After those two screens the upgrade will continue and Window-Eyes will eventually launch and be working under Windows 10. However, under Windows 7 only there is a problem with the Window-Eyes accessibility driver. The issue is Windows 7 requires a mirror driver which Window-Eyes has. But after the upgrade, Windows 10 does not support mirror drivers so it blocks them leaving Window-Eyes without the driver causing there to be no off screen model. In most cases you don't even need an off screen model but it is still important to resolve this. The easiest way to resolve this is to simply run your Window-Eyes 9.2 upgrade on itself under Windows 10. So after Window 10 has been installed just download your Window-Eyes 9.2 upgrade and run it. This will install the necessary accessibility driver causing you to have a full 9.2 working copy under Windows 10. 4) You are upgrading from Windows 8.x to Windows 10 You must have Window-eyes 9.2 installed on your Windows 8 system before the Windows 10 upgrade will allow you to continue. Like Windows 7 there are a couple screens that come up without Window-Eyes running so you will need Narrator. After that Window-Eyes will come up and your Windows 10 will be running perfectly with Window-Eyes 9.2. There is nothing extra you need to do. Windows 8 and Windows 10 both use an accessibility driver, not a mirror driver, so life is good after the upgrade. Regarding how Microsoft is going to upgrading a billion devices to Windows 10, there is an interesting blog post you may find interesting: http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/07/02/windows-10-preparing-to-upgrade-one-billion-devices/ Regards, Doug On 7/27/2015 10:44 AM, Don H via Talk wrote: When Windows 10 becomes available can it be installed without sighted help? Will WE 9.2 have to be reinstalled after installing Win 10? Thanks ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgeoffray%40aisquared.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions
RE: installing Windows 10
John, Windows-Enter will enable or disable Narrator. HTH, Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+sclower=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of John Chilelli via Talk Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 4:42 PM To: Doug Geoffray dgeoff...@aisquared.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: RE: installing Windows 10 Hi Doug, Is there a hot key to use to launch Narator? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+jac=neo.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 1:06 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: installing Windows 10 Richard, As mentioned, there are a couple screens that come up that do not have Window-Eyes running. These couple screens will require you to run Narrator. But all other places the upgrade process will allow Window-Eyes to run and be used. Doug On 7/27/2015 12:57 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) wrote: So if I understand right when I put 9.2 on my windows 8.1 machine I can install windows 10 using windoweyes and it will talk or do I have to use narrator? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 12:39 PM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Re: installing Windows 10 Don, There are four scenarios when it comes to Windows 10 and Window-Eyes. Let me address each. 1) You get a new computer and it already has Windows 10 installed You must have the full Window-Eyes 9.2 installer. Windows 10 will block the installation of any version less than 9.2. 2) You manually install Windows 10 on a system Windows 10 is no different than any other operating system at this point. Window-Eyes itself can not be installed until Windows 10 itself is fully installed so you would need to use Windows Narrator to help you with the Windows 10 installation. Windows Narrator can be launched with Windows-Enter. 3) You are upgrading from Windows 7 to Windows 10 You must have Window-Eyes 9.2 installed on your Windows 7 system before the Windows 10 upgrade will allow you to continue. I have not seen the final Windows 10 upgrade which will start being pushed out on Wednesday so I can't say specifically what will happen but on the internal builds I've been testing I've seen the following. I had Windows 9.2 installed and running on my Windows 7 system when I started the Windows 10 upgrade. Everything was working well and speaking perfectly. However, there are eventually two back to back screens which have Window-Eyes unloaded and require you to launch Narrator. After those two screens the upgrade will continue and Window-Eyes will eventually launch and be working under Windows 10. However, under Windows 7 only there is a problem with the Window-Eyes accessibility driver. The issue is Windows 7 requires a mirror driver which Window-Eyes has. But after the upgrade, Windows 10 does not support mirror drivers so it blocks them leaving Window-Eyes without the driver causing there to be no off screen model. In most cases you don't even need an off screen model but it is still important to resolve this. The easiest way to resolve this is to simply run your Window-Eyes 9.2 upgrade on itself under Windows 10. So after Window 10 has been installed just download your Window-Eyes 9.2 upgrade and run it. This will install the necessary accessibility driver causing you to have a full 9.2 working copy under Windows 10. 4) You are upgrading from Windows 8.x to Windows 10 You must have Window-eyes 9.2 installed on your Windows 8 system before the Windows 10 upgrade will allow you to continue. Like Windows 7 there are a couple screens that come up without Window-Eyes running so you will need Narrator. After that Window-Eyes will come up and your Windows 10 will be running perfectly with Window-Eyes 9.2. There is nothing extra you need to do. Windows 8 and Windows 10 both use an accessibility driver, not a mirror driver, so life is good after the upgrade. Regarding how Microsoft is going to upgrading a billion devices to Windows 10, there is an interesting blog post you may find interesting: http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/07/02/windows-10-prepari ng-to-upgrade-one-billion-devices/ Regards, Doug On 7/27/2015 10:44 AM, Don H via Talk wrote: When Windows 10 becomes available can it be installed without sighted help? Will WE 9.2 have to be reinstalled after installing Win 10? Thanks ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgeoffray%40ai squared.com. For subscription options, visit http
RE: installing Windows 10
Thanks doug for assuring all of us that window eyes will work for all of us whether we have the office version or the actual version of window eyes when we do the windows 10 upgrade . I appreciate having the company owners on the list assuring us that everything will be fine after an upgrae. That's the best about AI squared and gw micro. I cant say the same about the others. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+gmelconian619=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 1:23 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Re: installing Windows 10 Kevin, Oh, there is no problem at all if you just stay with Windows 7. The upgrade always contains the mirror driver when being installed under Windows Vista and Windows 7 and the accessibility driver when being installed under Windows 8.x and Windows 10. It just figures out your environment and installs the correct one. The issue is only when you upgrade from Windows 7 to 10 because the driver itself never got switched from mirror to accessibility. But since all Window-Eyes upgrade installers have everything, this is why I suggested just running it after going to 10 as it will realize you are in 10 and install the accessibility driver. Doug On 7/27/2015 4:02 PM, Kevin Huber wrote: Hi Doug: Thanks for pointing out the problem with the mirror drivers in Windows 7. Now suppose I have Windows 7 and want to stay with it, but I have downloaded Windows 9.2. How will the lack of a mirror driver affect me? Will there be any applications which will become unusable for me? Kevin Huber On 7/27/15, Doug Geoffray via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote: Don, There are four scenarios when it comes to Windows 10 and Window-Eyes. Let me address each. 1) You get a new computer and it already has Windows 10 installed You must have the full Window-Eyes 9.2 installer. Windows 10 will block the installation of any version less than 9.2. 2) You manually install Windows 10 on a system Windows 10 is no different than any other operating system at this point. Window-Eyes itself can not be installed until Windows 10 itself is fully installed so you would need to use Windows Narrator to help you with the Windows 10 installation. Windows Narrator can be launched with Windows-Enter. 3) You are upgrading from Windows 7 to Windows 10 You must have Window-Eyes 9.2 installed on your Windows 7 system before the Windows 10 upgrade will allow you to continue. I have not seen the final Windows 10 upgrade which will start being pushed out on Wednesday so I can't say specifically what will happen but on the internal builds I've been testing I've seen the following. I had Windows 9.2 installed and running on my Windows 7 system when I started the Windows 10 upgrade. Everything was working well and speaking perfectly. However, there are eventually two back to back screens which have Window-Eyes unloaded and require you to launch Narrator. After those two screens the upgrade will continue and Window-Eyes will eventually launch and be working under Windows 10. However, under Windows 7 only there is a problem with the Window-Eyes accessibility driver. The issue is Windows 7 requires a mirror driver which Window-Eyes has. But after the upgrade, Windows 10 does not support mirror drivers so it blocks them leaving Window-Eyes without the driver causing there to be no off screen model. In most cases you don't even need an off screen model but it is still important to resolve this. The easiest way to resolve this is to simply run your Window-Eyes 9.2 upgrade on itself under Windows 10. So after Window 10 has been installed just download your Window-Eyes 9.2 upgrade and run it. This will install the necessary accessibility driver causing you to have a full 9.2 working copy under Windows 10. 4) You are upgrading from Windows 8.x to Windows 10 You must have Window-eyes 9.2 installed on your Windows 8 system before the Windows 10 upgrade will allow you to continue. Like Windows 7 there are a couple screens that come up without Window-Eyes running so you will need Narrator. After that Window-Eyes will come up and your Windows 10 will be running perfectly with Window-Eyes 9.2. There is nothing extra you need to do. Windows 8 and Windows 10 both use an accessibility driver, not a mirror driver, so life is good after the upgrade. Regarding how Microsoft is going to upgrading a billion devices to Windows 10, there is an interesting blog post you may find interesting: http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/07/02/windows-10-prepar ing-to-upgrade-one-billion-devices/ Regards, Doug On 7/27/2015 10:44 AM, Don H via Talk wrote: When Windows 10 becomes available can it be installed without sighted help? Will WE 9.2 have to be reinstalled after installing Win 10? Thanks
