RE: laptops and window-eyes

[Chip Orange via Talk]

Don,

In my Dell inWin7, you can turn off the touchpad by getting your list of 
systray icons and there's one for the touchpad control software.  I can't 
remember if you right click it and use a context menu, or double click it and 
go into the software; but this lets you do it in such a way that it's easily 
undone if a sighted person wants to help you, or use, your pc.

You can also disable the touchpad as you say in the device manager, but then 
it's really difficult for a sighted user to deal with that.

Chip





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Florida Public Service Commission
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850-413-6314



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+corange=psc.state.fl...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 9:42 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: laptops and window-eyes

I could be doing it the wrong way but for stopping such things as the 
finger print reader I just go into the device manager and disable it.
One other issue I have had with a HP laptop and Windows 10 is that the 
touch pad has no way to turn it off.  There is no special function key, 
a place to hit on the touch pad nor a BIOS way to disable it.  In the 
case of the HP Envy laptop I have there is one driver that allows you to 
disable the touch pad if you have a external mouse plugged in however 
with the Windows 10 auto update feature the driver gets updated that 
prevents this from being turned off.  There is a way to turn off auto 
updates for drivers under advanced system settings but apparently the 
last update broke this feature, least that is what the Microsoft 
disability hot line person I talked to said.  I did finally find a 
driver that allowed the disabling of the touch pad that Windows 10 did 
not want to update.  If there is a issue with windows 10 that I don't 
like it is the auto updates you can't disable.  

On 11/2/2015 8:17 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
> That only works in windows ten though, am I right?  Pam.
>
> -Original Message- From: Raj via Talk
> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 5:08 PM
> To: don bishop ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: laptops and window-eyes
>
> Okay, here are some instructions if this is the one you have.
> Replace the word click with enter on.
> To disable finger print, do the following.
> Step 1
> Click the Windows "Start" button and choose "All Programs."
>
> Step 2
> Click "Access IBM" from the list of programs. Select "Fingerprint Software"
> and click "Control Center."
>
> Step 3
> Choose "Settings" and select "Logon Settings." Remove the check marks next
> to "Replace windows logon with fingerprint protect logon" and "Power-On
> Security."
>
> Step 4
> Close the open windows and restart your computer for the changes to take
> effect.
>
> - Original Message - From: "don bishop via Talk"
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 4:56 PM
> Subject: Fw: laptops and window-eyes
>
>
>> If the lenovo isn't the best choice can you suggest something better?
>> I know some laptops use proprietary sztware which may not work as well
>> with screen readers.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> don
>>
>>
>> ----- Forwarded Message -
>> From: Raj via Talk  <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> To: "Rick Jarvis"  <r.jarvi...@hotmail.com>,"Window-Eyes Discussion
>> List" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> Date: Monday, November 2, 2015 12:38 pm
>> Subject: Re: laptops and window-eyes
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I know, the Lenovo is not the best one for us, I use to work with
>>> some of
>>> the clients who had them, and had to advise the company/supplier to
>>> change
>>> it. was a nightmare for some people.
>>> - Original Message - From: "Rick Jarvis via Talk"
>>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>>> To: "Pamela Dominguez" <geo...@optonline.net>; "Window-Eyes
>>> Discussion List"
>>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 3:30 PM
>>> Subject: Re: laptops and window-eyes
>>>
>>>
>>> > Is there any way to disable it?
>>> >
>>> > On 11/2/2015 12:24 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>>> >> I just bought a Lenovo Thinkpad with a numberpad.  It's thinner and
>>> >> somewhat lighter than my Dell that doesn't have one.  But the keys
>>> are
>>> >> all squished together, so you have to watch out when you use it.  The
>

RE: laptops and window-eyes

[Chip Orange via Talk]

Hi Karyn,

If the problem is just the function keys, it seems likely you could create a 
script for Window-eyes which sent the keystroke for the "real" function key 
each time a Lenovo function key was pressed (you'd lose this bit of extra 
functionality, being able to do whatever these function keys did which was 
unusual if you implemented such a script, but it would undo whatever Lenovo had 
done if there was no other way to handle it).

I'd guess there's a piece of Lenovo keyboard software which let you modify how 
the keyboard works, and it of course would be easier than writing your own 
script.

I also found, and have installed on my pc at home, a free keyboard mapping 
utility which let you make registry changes which controlled what keycodes were 
sent when each key on the keyboard was pressed.  This is likely what Lenovo has 
done when shipping these pcs, so with this utility you could essentially 
reverse it.  I used this utility on my Dell laptop because it had no 
applications key, which is a lot easier to use than shift-f10 when you want a 
context menu.  I used the utility to take some unused key on my keyboard and 
make it send the keycode for an applications key instead.  I may not have time 
until this weekend, but I could try and track down the name of this utility and 
post it here if anyone has need of it (or you might find it just by googling on 
windows keyboard remap and other such terms).

Chip





Chip Orange
Florida Public Service Commission
Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+corange=psc.state.fl...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Karyn Campbell via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 9:37 AM
To: 'Pamela Dominguez'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: laptops and window-eyes

Pam,

You likely also have to use an extra key for some things as Lanovo is
infamous for the F keys across the topperforming media functions.  This
means, for example, to close anything you have to hit ctrl-function key-F4.
If you do this without the function key, it won't work.

We put Window-Eyes on a Lanovo at work and that was a mistake as no one can
get the thing to shut up despite the fact that I told them
ctrl-insert-function-F4 should work.

As you can tell, it is my recommendation to stay away from Lanovo anything.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA, karyn1...@gmail.com
Using WE 9.2  on HP Pavilion laptop running Windows 8.1 home premium 64-bit
with Office 2013 and IE 11 as well as Acer netbook running Windows 7  home
premium 64-bit with Office 2007 and IE 11 and Microsoft Windows Defender
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Re: laptops and window-eyes

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

You can just change them to the regular mode by pressing function key 
escape.  If you want to have them go back to the way they are now, do it 
again.  It's a toggle.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Chip Orange via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 12:27 PM
To: Karyn Campbell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: laptops and window-eyes

Hi Karyn,

If the problem is just the function keys, it seems likely you could create a 
script for Window-eyes which sent the keystroke for the "real" function key 
each time a Lenovo function key was pressed (you'd lose this bit of extra 
functionality, being able to do whatever these function keys did which was 
unusual if you implemented such a script, but it would undo whatever Lenovo 
had done if there was no other way to handle it).


I'd guess there's a piece of Lenovo keyboard software which let you modify 
how the keyboard works, and it of course would be easier than writing your 
own script.


I also found, and have installed on my pc at home, a free keyboard mapping 
utility which let you make registry changes which controlled what keycodes 
were sent when each key on the keyboard was pressed.  This is likely what 
Lenovo has done when shipping these pcs, so with this utility you could 
essentially reverse it.  I used this utility on my Dell laptop because it 
had no applications key, which is a lot easier to use than shift-f10 when 
you want a context menu.  I used the utility to take some unused key on my 
keyboard and make it send the keycode for an applications key instead.  I 
may not have time until this weekend, but I could try and track down the 
name of this utility and post it here if anyone has need of it (or you might 
find it just by googling on windows keyboard remap and other such terms).


Chip





Chip Orange
Florida Public Service Commission
Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+corange=psc.state.fl...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Karyn Campbell via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 9:37 AM
To: 'Pamela Dominguez'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: laptops and window-eyes

Pam,

You likely also have to use an extra key for some things as Lanovo is
infamous for the F keys across the topperforming media functions.  This
means, for example, to close anything you have to hit ctrl-function key-F4.
If you do this without the function key, it won't work.

We put Window-Eyes on a Lanovo at work and that was a mistake as no one can
get the thing to shut up despite the fact that I told them
ctrl-insert-function-F4 should work.

As you can tell, it is my recommendation to stay away from Lanovo anything.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA, karyn1...@gmail.com
Using WE 9.2  on HP Pavilion laptop running Windows 8.1 home premium 64-bit
with Office 2013 and IE 11 as well as Acer netbook running Windows 7  home
premium 64-bit with Office 2007 and IE 11 and Microsoft Windows Defender
onAcer netbook as well as Macaffee Live Safe on HP Pavilion.

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RE: laptops and window-eyes

[Chip Orange via Talk]

Thanks Pam.  Does the toggle stay toggled, or do you have to do it each time 
you boot up?

Chip





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-Original Message-
From: Pamela Dominguez [mailto:geo...@optonline.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 3:53 PM
To: Chip Orange; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: laptops and window-eyes

You can just change them to the regular mode by pressing function key 
escape.  If you want to have them go back to the way they are now, do it 
again.  It's a toggle.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Chip Orange via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 12:27 PM
To: Karyn Campbell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: laptops and window-eyes

Hi Karyn,

If the problem is just the function keys, it seems likely you could create a 
script for Window-eyes which sent the keystroke for the "real" function key 
each time a Lenovo function key was pressed (you'd lose this bit of extra 
functionality, being able to do whatever these function keys did which was 
unusual if you implemented such a script, but it would undo whatever Lenovo 
had done if there was no other way to handle it).

I'd guess there's a piece of Lenovo keyboard software which let you modify 
how the keyboard works, and it of course would be easier than writing your 
own script.

I also found, and have installed on my pc at home, a free keyboard mapping 
utility which let you make registry changes which controlled what keycodes 
were sent when each key on the keyboard was pressed.  This is likely what 
Lenovo has done when shipping these pcs, so with this utility you could 
essentially reverse it.  I used this utility on my Dell laptop because it 
had no applications key, which is a lot easier to use than shift-f10 when 
you want a context menu.  I used the utility to take some unused key on my 
keyboard and make it send the keycode for an applications key instead.  I 
may not have time until this weekend, but I could try and track down the 
name of this utility and post it here if anyone has need of it (or you might 
find it just by googling on windows keyboard remap and other such terms).

Chip





Chip Orange
Florida Public Service Commission
Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+corange=psc.state.fl...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Karyn Campbell via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 9:37 AM
To: 'Pamela Dominguez'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: laptops and window-eyes

Pam,

You likely also have to use an extra key for some things as Lanovo is
infamous for the F keys across the topperforming media functions.  This
means, for example, to close anything you have to hit ctrl-function key-F4.
If you do this without the function key, it won't work.

We put Window-Eyes on a Lanovo at work and that was a mistake as no one can
get the thing to shut up despite the fact that I told them
ctrl-insert-function-F4 should work.

As you can tell, it is my recommendation to stay away from Lanovo anything.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA, karyn1...@gmail.com
Using WE 9.2  on HP Pavilion laptop running Windows 8.1 home premium 64-bit
with Office 2013 and IE 11 as well as Acer netbook running Windows 7  home
premium 64-bit with Office 2007 and IE 11 and Microsoft Windows Defender
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Re: laptops and window-eyes

[Jo Taliaferro via Talk]

I recently saw an assist computer with a keyboard and numb pad nice spacing 
between function keys for eight and 12. I would like to see that in a 
solid-state drive computer. Just my thoughts.

Jo Taliaferro 

On Nov 2, 2015, at 8:12 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

On top of that, I had to find out how to change the action of the function 
keys, because the default was different.  For anybody who has this, my tech 
found out that it is a toggle of function key escape that does this. Anyway, 
the configuration being different, there is a touchpad, but no six pack.  The 
page up and down are to the left and right of the up arrow, making that look 
like a six pack, and the rest of the sixpack are in a row along the top.  So 
when I use it, I have to do it slowly and be careful. Pam.

-Original Message- From: Raj via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 3:40 PM
To: Rick Jarvis ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: laptops and window-eyes

I know, the Lenovo is not the best one for us, I use to work with some of
the clients who had them, and had to advise the company/supplier to change
it. was a nightmare for some people.
- Original Message - From: "Rick Jarvis via Talk" 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: "Pamela Dominguez" <geo...@optonline.net>; "Window-Eyes Discussion List"
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: laptops and window-eyes


> Is there any way to disable it?
> 
>> On 11/2/2015 12:24 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>> I just bought a Lenovo Thinkpad with a numberpad.  It's thinner and
>> somewhat lighter than my Dell that doesn't have one.  But the keys are
>> all squished together, so you have to watch out when you use it.  The
>> other thing that is annoying is that it has that awful finger print
>> thing that's in the middle of everything and things happen when you
>> accidentally touch it.  Pam.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Chip Orange via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 12:04 PM
>> To: don bishop ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: RE: laptops and window-eyes
>> 
>> Hi Don,
>> 
>> While Marilyn's point is a nice one, and I have such a Dell laptop at
>> home with a numpad, it weighs about 5 pounds.  If you want one which
>> weighs around 2 pounds which you can easily carry around with you, I
>> don't believe it will be possible to get one with a numpad on the keypad.
>> 
>> Marilyn's suggestion of carrying around an external numpad is one way of
>> dealing with this, but as she says, an awkward one.  It's not the only
>> one however; Window-Eyes does offer a laptop keyboard layout
>> specifically for those keyboards which don't have numpads.  They move
>> all the functions which would be handled by a numpad on to other keys.
>> 
>> Alternatively, instead of using the WE laptop layout, almost all laptops
>> have a special key which make a group of keys centered around the j, k,
>> and l keys act like they are a numpad when you hold down this special
>> key.  This is how I used WE with my previous Dell laptop which was
>> smaller, and which did not have a numpad on its keyboard.  I found this
>> very easy to adapt to (actually easier than switching to the laptop
>> layout), although you may need some sighted help (or support help from
>> the manufacturer) initially to find the special key, and to know what
>> keystrokes it generates when used with other keyboard keys.
>> 
>> So, it all depends on what your needs are, and which keyboard you wish
>> to purchase, and how you wish to adapt to not having a numpad if you
>> want the smaller laptops; but don't think you could ever adjust to some
>> different layout, it's much easier than you'd believe.
>> 
>> Hth,
>> 
>> Chip
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chip Orange
>> Florida Public Service Commission
>> Computer Systems Analyst
>> 850-413-6314
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+corange=psc.state.fl...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of don bishop via Talk
>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 12:21 PM
>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>> Subject: laptops and window-eyes
>> 
>> Any suggestions for a laptop which works well with window-eyes?
>> Thanks,
>> Don
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RE: laptops and window-eyes

[Karyn Campbell via Talk]

Pam,

You likely also have to use an extra key for some things as Lanovo is
infamous for the F keys across the topperforming media functions.  This
means, for example, to close anything you have to hit ctrl-function key-F4.
If you do this without the function key, it won't work.

We put Window-Eyes on a Lanovo at work and that was a mistake as no one can
get the thing to shut up despite the fact that I told them
ctrl-insert-function-F4 should work.

As you can tell, it is my recommendation to stay away from Lanovo anything.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA, karyn1...@gmail.com
Using WE 9.2  on HP Pavilion laptop running Windows 8.1 home premium 64-bit
with Office 2013 and IE 11 as well as Acer netbook running Windows 7  home
premium 64-bit with Office 2007 and IE 11 and Microsoft Windows Defender
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Re: laptops and window-eyes

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I just bought a Lenovo Thinkpad with a numberpad.  It's thinner and somewhat 
lighter than my Dell that doesn't have one.  But the keys are all squished 
together, so you have to watch out when you use it.  The other thing that is 
annoying is that it has that awful finger print thing that's in the middle 
of everything and things happen when you accidentally touch it.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Chip Orange via Talk

Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 12:04 PM
To: don bishop ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: laptops and window-eyes

Hi Don,

While Marilyn's point is a nice one, and I have such a Dell laptop at home 
with a numpad, it weighs about 5 pounds.  If you want one which weighs 
around 2 pounds which you can easily carry around with you, I don't believe 
it will be possible to get one with a numpad on the keypad.


Marilyn's suggestion of carrying around an external numpad is one way of 
dealing with this, but as she says, an awkward one.  It's not the only one 
however; Window-Eyes does offer a laptop keyboard layout specifically for 
those keyboards which don't have numpads.  They move all the functions which 
would be handled by a numpad on to other keys.


Alternatively, instead of using the WE laptop layout, almost all laptops 
have a special key which make a group of keys centered around the j, k, and 
l keys act like they are a numpad when you hold down this special key.  This 
is how I used WE with my previous Dell laptop which was smaller, and which 
did not have a numpad on its keyboard.  I found this very easy to adapt to 
(actually easier than switching to the laptop layout), although you may need 
some sighted help (or support help from the manufacturer) initially to find 
the special key, and to know what keystrokes it generates when used with 
other keyboard keys.


So, it all depends on what your needs are, and which keyboard you wish to 
purchase, and how you wish to adapt to not having a numpad if you want the 
smaller laptops; but don't think you could ever adjust to some different 
layout, it's much easier than you'd believe.


Hth,

Chip





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Florida Public Service Commission
Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+corange=psc.state.fl...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of don bishop via Talk

Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 12:21 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: laptops and window-eyes

Any suggestions for a laptop which works well with window-eyes?
Thanks,
Don

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RE: laptops and window-eyes

[Chip Orange via Talk]

Hi Don,

While Marilyn's point is a nice one, and I have such a Dell laptop at home with 
a numpad, it weighs about 5 pounds.  If you want one which weighs around 2 
pounds which you can easily carry around with you, I don't believe it will be 
possible to get one with a numpad on the keypad.

Marilyn's suggestion of carrying around an external numpad is one way of 
dealing with this, but as she says, an awkward one.  It's not the only one 
however; Window-Eyes does offer a laptop keyboard layout specifically for those 
keyboards which don't have numpads.  They move all the functions which would be 
handled by a numpad on to other keys.

Alternatively, instead of using the WE laptop layout, almost all laptops have a 
special key which make a group of keys centered around the j, k, and l keys act 
like they are a numpad when you hold down this special key.  This is how I used 
WE with my previous Dell laptop which was smaller, and which did not have a 
numpad on its keyboard.  I found this very easy to adapt to (actually easier 
than switching to the laptop layout), although you may need some sighted help 
(or support help from the manufacturer) initially to find the special key, and 
to know what keystrokes it generates when used with other keyboard keys.

So, it all depends on what your needs are, and which keyboard you wish to 
purchase, and how you wish to adapt to not having a numpad if you want the 
smaller laptops; but don't think you could ever adjust to some different 
layout, it's much easier than you'd believe.

Hth,

Chip





Chip Orange
Florida Public Service Commission
Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314



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On Behalf Of don bishop via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 12:21 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: laptops and window-eyes

Any suggestions for a laptop which works well with window-eyes? 
Thanks, 
Don  

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Re: laptops and window-eyes

[Joe Paton via Talk]

Hi,

open windows explorer.

tgo to tools
arrow down to folder options.

press enter.

shift tab to general, then arrow right to view.
tab to advanced settings, files and folders.

press the end key to go to the bottom of the list.

Select the typed item in the view, should be selected.  The option that is 
selected in your case is automatically type in to the search box.

Sorry this is sketchy.


On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 13:05:03 -0800
Curtis Delzer via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

speaking of laptops and window-eyes, guys, ladies, :)
I have an issue where instead of first letter navigation in windows 7 and 
windows explorer, the immediate thing that happens is that I go to the "search" 
pane when I tap any letter while navigating the list of files displayed.
How can I change it to just "going" to the first occurrence of the first-letter 
in the list as it does on all my other computers.

At 12:40 PM 11/2/2015, you wrote:
>I know, the Lenovo is not the best one for us, I use to work with >some of the 
>clients who had them, and had to advise the >company/supplier to change it. 
>was a nightmare for some people.
>- Original Message - From: "Rick Jarvis via Talk" 
>><talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>To: "Pamela Dominguez" <geo...@optonline.net>; "Window-Eyes >Discussion List" 
><talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 3:30 PM
>Subject: Re: laptops and window-eyes
>
>
>>Is there any way to disable it?
>>
>>On 11/2/2015 12:24 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>>>I just bought a Lenovo Thinkpad with a numberpad.  It's thinner and
>>>somewhat lighter than my Dell that doesn't have one.  But the keys are
>>>all squished together, so you have to watch out when you use it.  The
>>>other thing that is annoying is that it has that awful finger print
>>>thing that's in the middle of everything and things happen when you
>>>accidentally touch it.  Pam.
>>>
>>>-Original Message- From: Chip Orange via Talk
>>>Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 12:04 PM
>>>To: don bishop ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>Subject: RE: laptops and window-eyes
>>>
>>>Hi Don,
>>>
>>>While Marilyn's point is a nice one, and I have such a Dell laptop at
>>>home with a numpad, it weighs about 5 pounds.  If you want one which
>>>weighs around 2 pounds which you can easily carry around with you, I
>>>don't believe it will be possible to get one with a numpad on the keypad.
>>>
>>>Marilyn's suggestion of carrying around an external numpad is one way of
>>>dealing with this, but as she says, an awkward one.  It's not the only
>>>one however; Window-Eyes does offer a laptop keyboard layout
>>>specifically for those keyboards which don't have numpads.  They move
>>>all the functions which would be handled by a numpad on to other keys.
>>>
>>>Alternatively, instead of using the WE laptop layout, almost all laptops
>>>have a special key which make a group of keys centered around the j, k,
>>>and l keys act like they are a numpad when you hold down this special
>>>key.  This is how I used WE with my previous Dell laptop which was
>>>smaller, and which did not have a numpad on its keyboard.  I found this
>>>very easy to adapt to (actually easier than switching to the laptop
>>>layout), although you may need some sighted help (or support help from
>>>the manufacturer) initially to find the special key, and to know what
>>>keystrokes it generates when used with other keyboard keys.
>>>
>>>So, it all depends on what your needs are, and which keyboard you wish
>>>to purchase, and how you wish to adapt to not having a numpad if you
>>>want the smaller laptops; but don't think you could ever adjust to some
>>>different layout, it's much easier than you'd believe.
>>>
>>>Hth,
>>>
>>>Chip
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Chip Orange
>>>Florida Public Service Commission
>>>Computer Systems Analyst
>>>850-413-6314
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Talk
>>>[mailto:talk-bounces+corange=psc.state.fl...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>>>Behalf Of don bishop via Talk
>>>Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 12:21 PM
>>>To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>>>Subject: laptops and window-eyes
>>>
>>>Any suggestions for a laptop which works well with window-eyes?
>>>Thanks,
>>>Don
>>>
>>>___

Re: laptops and window-eyes

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

speaking of laptops and window-eyes, guys, ladies, :)
I have an issue where instead of first letter navigation in windows 7 
and windows explorer, the immediate thing that happens is that I go 
to the "search" pane when I tap any letter while navigating the list 
of files displayed.
How can I change it to just "going" to the first occurrence of the 
first-letter in the list as it does on all my other computers.


At 12:40 PM 11/2/2015, you wrote:
I know, the Lenovo is not the best one for us, I use to work with 
some of the clients who had them, and had to advise the 
company/supplier to change it. was a nightmare for some people.
- Original Message - From: "Rick Jarvis via Talk" 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: "Pamela Dominguez" <geo...@optonline.net>; "Window-Eyes 
Discussion List" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: laptops and window-eyes



Is there any way to disable it?

On 11/2/2015 12:24 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

I just bought a Lenovo Thinkpad with a numberpad.  It's thinner and
somewhat lighter than my Dell that doesn't have one.  But the keys are
all squished together, so you have to watch out when you use it.  The
other thing that is annoying is that it has that awful finger print
thing that's in the middle of everything and things happen when you
accidentally touch it.  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Chip Orange via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 12:04 PM
To: don bishop ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: laptops and window-eyes

Hi Don,

While Marilyn's point is a nice one, and I have such a Dell laptop at
home with a numpad, it weighs about 5 pounds.  If you want one which
weighs around 2 pounds which you can easily carry around with you, I
don't believe it will be possible to get one with a numpad on the keypad.

Marilyn's suggestion of carrying around an external numpad is one way of
dealing with this, but as she says, an awkward one.  It's not the only
one however; Window-Eyes does offer a laptop keyboard layout
specifically for those keyboards which don't have numpads.  They move
all the functions which would be handled by a numpad on to other keys.

Alternatively, instead of using the WE laptop layout, almost all laptops
have a special key which make a group of keys centered around the j, k,
and l keys act like they are a numpad when you hold down this special
key.  This is how I used WE with my previous Dell laptop which was
smaller, and which did not have a numpad on its keyboard.  I found this
very easy to adapt to (actually easier than switching to the laptop
layout), although you may need some sighted help (or support help from
the manufacturer) initially to find the special key, and to know what
keystrokes it generates when used with other keyboard keys.

So, it all depends on what your needs are, and which keyboard you wish
to purchase, and how you wish to adapt to not having a numpad if you
want the smaller laptops; but don't think you could ever adjust to some
different layout, it's much easier than you'd believe.

Hth,

Chip





Chip Orange
Florida Public Service Commission
Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314



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[mailto:talk-bounces+corange=psc.state.fl...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of don bishop via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 12:21 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: laptops and window-eyes

Any suggestions for a laptop which works well with window-eyes?
Thanks,
Don

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Re: laptops and window-eyes

[Raj via Talk]

Okay, here are some instructions if this is the one you have.
Replace the word click with enter on.
To disable finger print, do the following.
Step 1
Click the Windows "Start" button and choose "All Programs."

Step 2
Click "Access IBM" from the list of programs. Select "Fingerprint Software" 
and click "Control Center."


Step 3
Choose "Settings" and select "Logon Settings." Remove the check marks next 
to "Replace windows logon with fingerprint protect logon" and "Power-On 
Security."


Step 4
Close the open windows and restart your computer for the changes to take 
effect.


- Original Message - 
From: "don bishop via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 4:56 PM
Subject: Fw: laptops and window-eyes


If the lenovo isn't the best choice can you suggest something better? I 
know some laptops use proprietary sztware which may not work as well with 
screen readers.


Thanks,
don


- Forwarded Message -
From: Raj via Talk  <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: "Rick Jarvis"  <r.jarvi...@hotmail.com>,"Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Date: Monday, November 2, 2015 12:38 pm
Subject: Re: laptops and window-eyes




I know, the Lenovo is not the best one for us, I use to work with some of
the clients who had them, and had to advise the company/supplier to 
change

it. was a nightmare for some people.
- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Jarvis via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: "Pamela Dominguez" <geo...@optonline.net>; "Window-Eyes Discussion 
List"

<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: laptops and window-eyes


> Is there any way to disable it?
>
> On 11/2/2015 12:24 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>> I just bought a Lenovo Thinkpad with a numberpad.  It's thinner and
>> somewhat lighter than my Dell that doesn't have one.  But the keys are
>> all squished together, so you have to watch out when you use it.  The
>> other thing that is annoying is that it has that awful finger print
>> thing that's in the middle of everything and things happen when you
>> accidentally touch it.  Pam.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Chip Orange via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 12:04 PM
>> To: don bishop be Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: RE: laptops and window-eyes
>>
>> Hi Don,
>>
>> While Marilyn's point is a nice one, and I have such a Dell laptop at
>> home with a numpad, it weighs about 5 pounds.  If you want one which
>> weighs around 2 pounds which you can easily carry around with you, I
>> don't believe it will be possible to get one with a numpad on the 
>> keypad.

>>
>> Marilyn's suggestion of carrying around an external numpad is one way 
>> of

>> dealing with this, but as she says, an awkward one.  It's not the only
>> one however; Window-Eyes does offer a laptop keyboard layout
>> specifically for those keyboards which don't have numpads.  They move
>> all the functions which would be handled by a numpad on to other keys.
>>
>> Alternatively, instead of using the WE laptop layout, almost all 
>> laptops
>> have a special key which make a group of keys centered around the j, 
>> k,

>> and l keys act like they are a numpad when you hold down this special
>> key.  This is how I used WE with my previous Dell laptop which was
>> smaller, and which did not have a numpad on its keyboard.  I found 
>> this

>> very easy to adapt to (actually easier than switching to the laptop
>> layout), although you may need some sighted help (or support help from
>> the manufacturer) initially to find the special key, and to know what
>> keystrokes it generates when used with other keyboard keys.
>>
>> So, it all depends on what your needs are, and which keyboard you wish
>> to purchase, and how you wish to adapt to not having a numpad if you
>> want the smaller laptops; but don't think you could ever adjust to 
>> some

>> different layout, it's much easier than you'd believe.
>>
>> Hth,
>>
>> Chip
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Chip Orange
>> Florida Public Service Commission
>> Computer Systems Analyst
>> 850-413-6314
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+corange=psc.state.fl...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of don bishop via Talk
>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 12:21 PM
>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>

Re: laptops and window-eyes

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

On top of that, I had to find out how to change the action of the function 
keys, because the default was different.  For anybody who has this, my tech 
found out that it is a toggle of function key escape that does this. 
Anyway, the configuration being different, there is a touchpad, but no six 
pack.  The page up and down are to the left and right of the up arrow, 
making that look like a six pack, and the rest of the sixpack are in a row 
along the top.  So when I use it, I have to do it slowly and be careful. 
Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Raj via Talk

Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 3:40 PM
To: Rick Jarvis ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: laptops and window-eyes

I know, the Lenovo is not the best one for us, I use to work with some of
the clients who had them, and had to advise the company/supplier to change
it. was a nightmare for some people.
- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Jarvis via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

To: "Pamela Dominguez" <geo...@optonline.net>; "Window-Eyes Discussion List"
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: laptops and window-eyes



Is there any way to disable it?

On 11/2/2015 12:24 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

I just bought a Lenovo Thinkpad with a numberpad.  It's thinner and
somewhat lighter than my Dell that doesn't have one.  But the keys are
all squished together, so you have to watch out when you use it.  The
other thing that is annoying is that it has that awful finger print
thing that's in the middle of everything and things happen when you
accidentally touch it.  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Chip Orange via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 12:04 PM
To: don bishop ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: laptops and window-eyes

Hi Don,

While Marilyn's point is a nice one, and I have such a Dell laptop at
home with a numpad, it weighs about 5 pounds.  If you want one which
weighs around 2 pounds which you can easily carry around with you, I
don't believe it will be possible to get one with a numpad on the keypad.

Marilyn's suggestion of carrying around an external numpad is one way of
dealing with this, but as she says, an awkward one.  It's not the only
one however; Window-Eyes does offer a laptop keyboard layout
specifically for those keyboards which don't have numpads.  They move
all the functions which would be handled by a numpad on to other keys.

Alternatively, instead of using the WE laptop layout, almost all laptops
have a special key which make a group of keys centered around the j, k,
and l keys act like they are a numpad when you hold down this special
key.  This is how I used WE with my previous Dell laptop which was
smaller, and which did not have a numpad on its keyboard.  I found this
very easy to adapt to (actually easier than switching to the laptop
layout), although you may need some sighted help (or support help from
the manufacturer) initially to find the special key, and to know what
keystrokes it generates when used with other keyboard keys.

So, it all depends on what your needs are, and which keyboard you wish
to purchase, and how you wish to adapt to not having a numpad if you
want the smaller laptops; but don't think you could ever adjust to some
different layout, it's much easier than you'd believe.

Hth,

Chip





Chip Orange
Florida Public Service Commission
Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+corange=psc.state.fl...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of don bishop via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 12:21 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: laptops and window-eyes

Any suggestions for a laptop which works well with window-eyes?
Thanks,
Don

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Re: laptops and window-eyes

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

That only works in windows ten though, am I right?  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Raj via Talk

Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 5:08 PM
To: don bishop ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: laptops and window-eyes

Okay, here are some instructions if this is the one you have.
Replace the word click with enter on.
To disable finger print, do the following.
Step 1
Click the Windows "Start" button and choose "All Programs."

Step 2
Click "Access IBM" from the list of programs. Select "Fingerprint Software"
and click "Control Center."

Step 3
Choose "Settings" and select "Logon Settings." Remove the check marks next
to "Replace windows logon with fingerprint protect logon" and "Power-On
Security."

Step 4
Close the open windows and restart your computer for the changes to take
effect.

- Original Message - 
From: "don bishop via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 4:56 PM
Subject: Fw: laptops and window-eyes


If the lenovo isn't the best choice can you suggest something better? I 
know some laptops use proprietary sztware which may not work as well with 
screen readers.


Thanks,
don


- Forwarded Message -
From: Raj via Talk  <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: "Rick Jarvis"  <r.jarvi...@hotmail.com>,"Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Date: Monday, November 2, 2015 12:38 pm
Subject: Re: laptops and window-eyes




I know, the Lenovo is not the best one for us, I use to work with some of
the clients who had them, and had to advise the company/supplier to 
change

it. was a nightmare for some people.
- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Jarvis via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: "Pamela Dominguez" <geo...@optonline.net>; "Window-Eyes Discussion 
List"

<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: laptops and window-eyes


> Is there any way to disable it?
>
> On 11/2/2015 12:24 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>> I just bought a Lenovo Thinkpad with a numberpad.  It's thinner and
>> somewhat lighter than my Dell that doesn't have one.  But the keys are
>> all squished together, so you have to watch out when you use it.  The
>> other thing that is annoying is that it has that awful finger print
>> thing that's in the middle of everything and things happen when you
>> accidentally touch it.  Pam.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Chip Orange via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 12:04 PM
>> To: don bishop be Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: RE: laptops and window-eyes
>>
>> Hi Don,
>>
>> While Marilyn's point is a nice one, and I have such a Dell laptop at
>> home with a numpad, it weighs about 5 pounds.  If you want one which
>> weighs around 2 pounds which you can easily carry around with you, I
>> don't believe it will be possible to get one with a numpad on the 
>> keypad.

>>
>> Marilyn's suggestion of carrying around an external numpad is one way 
>> of

>> dealing with this, but as she says, an awkward one.  It's not the only
>> one however; Window-Eyes does offer a laptop keyboard layout
>> specifically for those keyboards which don't have numpads.  They move
>> all the functions which would be handled by a numpad on to other keys.
>>
>> Alternatively, instead of using the WE laptop layout, almost all 
>> laptops
>> have a special key which make a group of keys centered around the j, 
>> k,

>> and l keys act like they are a numpad when you hold down this special
>> key.  This is how I used WE with my previous Dell laptop which was
>> smaller, and which did not have a numpad on its keyboard.  I found 
>> this

>> very easy to adapt to (actually easier than switching to the laptop
>> layout), although you may need some sighted help (or support help from
>> the manufacturer) initially to find the special key, and to know what
>> keystrokes it generates when used with other keyboard keys.
>>
>> So, it all depends on what your needs are, and which keyboard you wish
>> to purchase, and how you wish to adapt to not having a numpad if you
>> want the smaller laptops; but don't think you could ever adjust to 
>> some

>> different layout, it's much easier than you'd believe.
>>
>> Hth,
>>
>> Chip
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Chip Orange
>> Florida Public Service Commission
>> Computer Systems Analyst
>> 850-413-6314
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
&g

Re: laptops and window-eyes

[Don H via Talk]

I could be doing it the wrong way but for stopping such things as the 
finger print reader I just go into the device manager and disable it.
One other issue I have had with a HP laptop and Windows 10 is that the 
touch pad has no way to turn it off.  There is no special function key, 
a place to hit on the touch pad nor a BIOS way to disable it.  In the 
case of the HP Envy laptop I have there is one driver that allows you to 
disable the touch pad if you have a external mouse plugged in however 
with the Windows 10 auto update feature the driver gets updated that 
prevents this from being turned off.  There is a way to turn off auto 
updates for drivers under advanced system settings but apparently the 
last update broke this feature, least that is what the Microsoft 
disability hot line person I talked to said.  I did finally find a 
driver that allowed the disabling of the touch pad that Windows 10 did 
not want to update.  If there is a issue with windows 10 that I don't 
like it is the auto updates you can't disable.	


On 11/2/2015 8:17 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

That only works in windows ten though, am I right?  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Raj via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 5:08 PM
To: don bishop ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: laptops and window-eyes

Okay, here are some instructions if this is the one you have.
Replace the word click with enter on.
To disable finger print, do the following.
Step 1
Click the Windows "Start" button and choose "All Programs."

Step 2
Click "Access IBM" from the list of programs. Select "Fingerprint Software"
and click "Control Center."

Step 3
Choose "Settings" and select "Logon Settings." Remove the check marks next
to "Replace windows logon with fingerprint protect logon" and "Power-On
Security."

Step 4
Close the open windows and restart your computer for the changes to take
effect.

- Original Message - From: "don bishop via Talk"
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 4:56 PM
Subject: Fw: laptops and window-eyes



If the lenovo isn't the best choice can you suggest something better?
I know some laptops use proprietary sztware which may not work as well
with screen readers.

Thanks,
don


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Date: Monday, November 2, 2015 12:38 pm
Subject: Re: laptops and window-eyes




I know, the Lenovo is not the best one for us, I use to work with
some of
the clients who had them, and had to advise the company/supplier to
change
it. was a nightmare for some people.
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> Is there any way to disable it?
>
> On 11/2/2015 12:24 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>> I just bought a Lenovo Thinkpad with a numberpad.  It's thinner and
>> somewhat lighter than my Dell that doesn't have one.  But the keys
are
>> all squished together, so you have to watch out when you use it.  The
>> other thing that is annoying is that it has that awful finger print
>> thing that's in the middle of everything and things happen when you
>> accidentally touch it.  Pam.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Chip Orange via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 12:04 PM
>> To: don bishop be Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: RE: laptops and window-eyes
>>
>> Hi Don,
>>
>> While Marilyn's point is a nice one, and I have such a Dell laptop at
>> home with a numpad, it weighs about 5 pounds.  If you want one which
>> weighs around 2 pounds which you can easily carry around with you, I
>> don't believe it will be possible to get one with a numpad on the
>> keypad.
>>
>> Marilyn's suggestion of carrying around an external numpad is one
way >> of
>> dealing with this, but as she says, an awkward one.  It's not the
only
>> one however; Window-Eyes does offer a laptop keyboard layout
>> specifically for those keyboards which don't have numpads.  They move
>> all the functions which would be handled by a numpad on to other
keys.
>>
>> Alternatively, instead of using the WE laptop layout, almost all
>> laptops
>> have a special key which make a group of keys centered around the
j, >> k,
>> and l keys act like they are a numpad when you hold down this special
>

Re: laptops and window-eyes

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

On Saturday, October 31, 2015, M Dorn via Talk 
wrote:

> Just be sure that it has a working num-pad so that you can control
> WindowEyes.  Whether or not it's got separate keys, or uses the letters
> with a modifier key, to make the numpad work, it needs to do more than type
> numbers; otherwise, the WE controls to move the mouse pointer around to
> review the screen won't work.  If you have to add an extra device that
> hangs off the laptop, it rather defeats the purpose of the convenience of a
> laptop.  My Dell, which is about 3 or 4 years old now, has a full keyboard
> with it's own num-pad like a regular keyboard would have for a desktop
> computer.  It's nice and easy to use.  I got an HP before that didn't have
> the real num-pad, and I had to send it back.
>
> TTFN,
> Marilyn
>
> At 09:20 AM 10/30/2015, you wrote:
>
>> Any suggestions for a laptop which works well with window-eyes?
>> Thanks,
>> Don
>>
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Re: laptops and window-eyes

[M Dorn via Talk]

Just be sure that it has a working num-pad so that you can control 
WindowEyes.  Whether or not it's got separate keys, or uses the 
letters with a modifier key, to make the numpad work, it needs to do 
more than type numbers; otherwise, the WE controls to move the mouse 
pointer around to review the screen won't work.  If you have to add 
an extra device that hangs off the laptop, it rather defeats the 
purpose of the convenience of a laptop.  My Dell, which is about 3 or 
4 years old now, has a full keyboard with it's own num-pad like a 
regular keyboard would have for a desktop computer.  It's nice and 
easy to use.  I got an HP before that didn't have the real num-pad, 
and I had to send it back.


TTFN,
Marilyn

At 09:20 AM 10/30/2015, you wrote:

Any suggestions for a laptop which works well with window-eyes?
Thanks,
Don

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