Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] RFC open - new key - bridge_type=

[Gervase Markham]

Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote:
> Is it not simpler to use bridge=suspension|bascule|etc|etc in place of the
> default bridge=true|yes to define a specific type. Lot more logical than
> adding another key?

Assuming that would be just as easy for renderers, then I see no problem 
with that. They could render known types with a particular icon, and 
unknown types generically.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Tracking with Palm and Tomtom

[Listas]

Bruce Cowan escribió:
> On Thu, 2008-02-14 at 15:09 -0800, Alex S. wrote:
>   
>> Listas wrote:
>> 
>>> Robert (Jamie) Munro escribió:
>>>   
 I presume you mean a Palm with TomTom software?
 
>>> Yes, I only have a Palm with TomTom software.
>>>   
 Or do you have a fully fledged TomTom as well as your Palm?

 If the former, then your question is just a OSM on Palm question. If 
 the latter, see the TomTom page in the wiki.
 
>>> I don't understand this... Can you explain a bit more ?
>>>   
>> In other words, if you have Palm hardware, you should be looking for OSM 
>> via Palm info.  If you have TomTom hardware, you should look at the 
>> TomTom page.
>>
>> Having TomTom software on your Palm likely doesn't matter.
>> 
>
> Indeed, I used cotogps [0] when I used my Palm PDA for tracking.
>
> [0] http://core.de/~coto/projects/cotogps/
>   
Yes, I used to do my first tracking. I uploaded this trackings and try 
to edit the map. I make the way successfully but I can't see in the map. 
First time I do with play option but then I do with start option to make 
a real way. Needs it to be validated ??

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Re: [OSM-talk] Tracking with Palm and Tomtom

[Bruce Cowan]

On Thu, 2008-02-14 at 15:09 -0800, Alex S. wrote:
> Listas wrote:
> > Robert (Jamie) Munro escribió:
> >> I presume you mean a Palm with TomTom software?
> >
> > Yes, I only have a Palm with TomTom software.
> 
> >> Or do you have a fully fledged TomTom as well as your Palm?
> >>
> >> If the former, then your question is just a OSM on Palm question. If 
> >> the latter, see the TomTom page in the wiki.
> >
> > I don't understand this... Can you explain a bit more ?
> 
> In other words, if you have Palm hardware, you should be looking for OSM 
> via Palm info.  If you have TomTom hardware, you should look at the 
> TomTom page.
> 
> Having TomTom software on your Palm likely doesn't matter.

Indeed, I used cotogps [0] when I used my Palm PDA for tracking.

[0] http://core.de/~coto/projects/cotogps/

-- 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Neuer OSM T-Shirt Vorschlag

[Ulf Lamping]

Ulf Lamping schrieb:
> Hi!
>   
Sh.., wrong list! Should have gone to the german one. Anyway, I've added 
a new OSM T-Shirt design, you may just follow the links ;-)

Regards, ULFL
> Ich hab mich auch mal in der hohen Kunst des T-Shirt Designs versucht ;-)
>
> Bei meinen Experimenten hab ich einiges ausprobiert, z.B. auch eine 
> "bildliche Kausalkette" versucht - also Bilder von Satellit, GPS 
> Receiver, Computer, Karte - das sieht aber dann irgendwie wegen der 
> vielen Details nicht so richtig toll aus.
>
>
> Mein jetzt recht schlichter OSM T-Shirt Vorschlag (sowohl Deutsch als 
> auch Englisch) ist zu "bewundern" unter:
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tshirt_competition#ulfl.27s_entry
>
> insbesondere gefällt mir 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Image:Osm-blackt-de.png schon 
> ganz gut.
>
>
> Was meint Ihr?
>
> Gruß ULFL
>
> P.S: Ich hab davon auch SVG Versionen, wenn Ihr eigene Experimente 
> darauf basierend machen wollt ...
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Re: [OSM-talk] correctly mapping avenues

[Karl Newman]

>
> | I am against east/west/north/south because there are a lot of
> | ways/areas/things which do not go straight ahead.
>
> But they nearly all run nearer to one of those directions than they do
> to any of the others. If you want to say that a North East road is one
> way, you can call it North or East - there is no contradiction. Pick the
> one it is closest to, or either if the road is really exactly at 45
> degrees.
>

Umm... What happens if the road is not straight, but in fact winds around
quite a bit? Then left and right are still unambiguous, but cardinal
directions are definitely not.

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Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Polygons and Multipolygons

[Robert (Jamie) Munro]

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Artem Pavlenko wrote:
| On 8 Feb 2008, at 11:50, Frederik Ramm wrote:
|
|> Hi,
|>
|>> I found the way term 'Multipolygon' is used in OSM context is
|>> confusing.
|> True. What we had been looking for was a term for "polygons with
|> holes"; it seemed unreasonable to create a relation "type=polygon"
|> as plain polygons, without holes, don't require relations. But
|> multipolygon is somewhat of a misnomer.
|>
|>> Shouldn't we be calling MultiPolygon  Polygon?
|> There are only 2788 in the database so it would not be too hard to
|> change. I wanted to automatically add the "inner" and "outer" flags
|> to the existing polygons anyway, although they're not strictly
|> required they would make processing easier for some.
|
| I think having 'outer' and 'inner' flags/tags will help at the data
| entry stage as well.

Can't we use clockwise / anticlockwise rules? The colour is on the
right, therefore polygons run clockwise, holes run anti-clockwise,
islands inside those holes run clockwise again. Under this model, the
sea is a (normally blue coloured) polygon, and the land is a hole in the
sea. AFAICT, this is how it is drawn by the renderers at the moment (the
land colour is just the default rendering background colour).

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[OSM-talk] Neuer OSM T-Shirt Vorschlag

[Ulf Lamping]

Hi!

Ich hab mich auch mal in der hohen Kunst des T-Shirt Designs versucht ;-)

Bei meinen Experimenten hab ich einiges ausprobiert, z.B. auch eine 
"bildliche Kausalkette" versucht - also Bilder von Satellit, GPS 
Receiver, Computer, Karte - das sieht aber dann irgendwie wegen der 
vielen Details nicht so richtig toll aus.


Mein jetzt recht schlichter OSM T-Shirt Vorschlag (sowohl Deutsch als 
auch Englisch) ist zu "bewundern" unter:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tshirt_competition#ulfl.27s_entry

insbesondere gefällt mir 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Image:Osm-blackt-de.png schon 
ganz gut.


Was meint Ihr?

Gruß ULFL

P.S: Ich hab davon auch SVG Versionen, wenn Ihr eigene Experimente 
darauf basierend machen wollt ...


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Re: [OSM-talk] correctly mapping avenues

[Robert (Jamie) Munro]

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Karl Newman wrote:
| On Feb 11, 2008 7:20 AM, Bernd Raichle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| > wrote:
|
| Hi,
|
|
| on Sunday, 10 February 2008 08:34:31 -0800,
| Karl Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
| writes:
|  > On Feb 10, 2008 4:21 AM, Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| > wrote:
|  > > > Since trees lining a way/street are such a common
occurence, why
|  > > > not have a simple additional tag to the main road.
|  > > >
|  > > > lined_by_trees=yes/no/left/right
|  > >
|  > > I'm a bit unhappy about needlessly inflating the importance
of the
|  > > direction of ways. Long-term, I would actually like to get rid
| of the
|  > > direction and express everything in relations.
|
| This means, that you find it necessary to have something like a
| "direction" or a "side", both of this features related to a way?
| But you don't want to express a direction or a side by the _implicit
| order_ of the way nodes.
|
|
|  > > The reasons for
| this
|  > > are
|  > >
|  > > (a) the direction is too easily changed, sometimes by mistake
|
| ... because none of the current OSM editors show direction- or
| side-related tags explicitly.
|
|
|  > > (b) there might be multiple conflicting things that rely on the
|  > >direction, e.g. a road that is oneway from A to B but has a
|  > >slope from B to A
|  > >
|  > > Anything with "left/right" in it also relies on direction. I'd
| prefer
|  > > "east/west/north/south", or using an explicit relation that says
|  > > "trees on the right between nodes A and B along road C".
|
| I am against east/west/north/south because there are a lot of
| ways/areas/things which do not go straight ahead.
|
|
|  > Okay, this thread is at risk of spinning wildly off-topic, but
| I've been
|  > thinking about this situation recently. It seems to clamor for
| the use of
|  > specialized relations that are "direction-aware". That way, if a
| way is a
|  > member of a relation and has directional properties (left/right),
| then the
|  > editors could look for those relations when the way is reversed
| and either
|  > fix them automatically or at the minimum raise a warning dialog.
|  >
|  > I also had some other ideas about enforcing referential
integrity for
|  > another type of specialized relation (if one or more node
| relation members
|  > is required to be part of a way relation member, then enforce
| that rule).
|  > That rule could actually be enforced by the API.
|  >
|  > These specialized relations would just give some structure to the
| wide-open
|  > relation type, without implying anything about the nature of the
| relation.
|  > It could possibly be accomplished through special tags on the
| existing
|  > relation structure.
|
| Do you have any propositions how this will look like or how this
| should be done?
|
| A few days ago I have started a new proposal for a "Segmented Tag",
| which relates a set of tags to a directed or undirected part of a way
| (I have called this part "segment" inspired by GDF's "Segmented
| Attributes").  I have not found the time yet to finalize the proposal
| adding some examples, nonetheless it can already be found in the OSM
| Wiki (Relations/Proposed/Segmented Tags).
|
|
| Best wishes,
|  -bernd
|
|
| Big +1 on this proposal. That's exactly what I've been thinking about
| lately. It's stupid to chop up nice long ways just because the speed
| limit changes or the way happens to cross a bridge.

I think the opposite - we should move nearly all tags from ways into
relations so that we can chop the ways more - probably at every junction
- - without causing duplication.


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Re: [OSM-talk] correctly mapping avenues

[Robert (Jamie) Munro]

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Bernd Raichle wrote:
| Hi,
|
|
| on Sunday, 10 February 2008 08:34:31 -0800,
| Karl Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
|  > On Feb 10, 2008 4:21 AM, Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|  > > > Since trees lining a way/street are such a common occurence, why
|  > > > not have a simple additional tag to the main road.
|  > > >
|  > > > lined_by_trees=yes/no/left/right
|  > >
|  > > I'm a bit unhappy about needlessly inflating the importance of the
|  > > direction of ways. Long-term, I would actually like to get rid of the
|  > > direction and express everything in relations.
|
| This means, that you find it necessary to have something like a
| "direction" or a "side", both of this features related to a way?
| But you don't want to express a direction or a side by the _implicit
| order_ of the way nodes.
|
|
|  > > The reasons for this
|  > > are
|  > >
|  > > (a) the direction is too easily changed, sometimes by mistake
|
| ... because none of the current OSM editors show direction- or
| side-related tags explicitly.
|
|
|  > > (b) there might be multiple conflicting things that rely on the
|  > >direction, e.g. a road that is oneway from A to B but has a
|  > >slope from B to A
|  > >
|  > > Anything with "left/right" in it also relies on direction. I'd prefer
|  > > "east/west/north/south", or using an explicit relation that says
|  > > "trees on the right between nodes A and B along road C".
|
| I am against east/west/north/south because there are a lot of
| ways/areas/things which do not go straight ahead.

But they nearly all run nearer to one of those directions than they do
to any of the others. If you want to say that a North East road is one
way, you can call it North or East - there is no contradiction. Pick the
one it is closest to, or either if the road is really exactly at 45 degrees.

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Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] RFC open - new key - bridge_type=

[Andy Robinson (blackadder)]

Gervase Markham wrote:
>Sent: 14 February 2008 10:26 PM
>To: talk@openstreetmap.org
>Subject: [OSM-talk] [tagging] RFC open - new key - bridge_type=
>
>It is useful to know what sort of bridge a bridge is, in order to e.g.
>use an appropriate icon, or (perhaps on canals) to know whether you need
>to get the kids up to move the swing bridge in five minutes time.
>
>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Bridge_Type
>

Is it not simpler to use bridge=suspension|bascule|etc|etc in place of the
default bridge=true|yes to define a specific type. Lot more logical than
adding another key?

Cheers

Andy

>Gerv
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Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] RFC open - new key - aqueduct=yes

[Andy Robinson (blackadder)]

Gervase Markham wrote:
>Sent: 14 February 2008 10:34 PM
>To: talk@openstreetmap.org
>Subject: [OSM-talk] [tagging] RFC open - new key - aqueduct=yes
>
>Currently, we have "waterway=aqueduct" on nodes only. It seems to me to
>make much more sense to treat aqueducts like bridges, with which they
>are closely analogous. So we should replace it with "aqueduct=yes",
>applicable to nodes or ways.
>

That's the way I've been tagging for some time.

Cheers

Andy

>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Aqueduct
>
>Gerv
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[OSM-talk] [tagging] RFC open - new key - aqueduct=yes

[Gervase Markham]

Currently, we have "waterway=aqueduct" on nodes only. It seems to me to 
make much more sense to treat aqueducts like bridges, with which they 
are closely analogous. So we should replace it with "aqueduct=yes", 
applicable to nodes or ways.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Aqueduct

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[OSM-talk] [tagging] RFC open - new key - mooring=yes/private/no

[Gervase Markham]

Length of bank where specific mooring conditions are indicated; replaces 
waterway=mooring.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Mooring

Gerv


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[OSM-talk] [tagging] RFC open - new key - maystay=

[Gervase Markham]

On moorings (and perhaps in car parks or other places where you park 
other vehicles) the length of stay is sometimes restricted. This tag 
encodes that in the same manner as maxwidth, maxlength etc.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Maximum_Stay

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Re: [OSM-talk] Tracking with Palm and Tomtom

[Alex S.]

Listas wrote:
> Robert (Jamie) Munro escribió:
>> I presume you mean a Palm with TomTom software?
>
> Yes, I only have a Palm with TomTom software.

>> Or do you have a fully fledged TomTom as well as your Palm?
>>
>> If the former, then your question is just a OSM on Palm question. If 
>> the latter, see the TomTom page in the wiki.
>
> I don't understand this... Can you explain a bit more ?

In other words, if you have Palm hardware, you should be looking for OSM 
via Palm info.  If you have TomTom hardware, you should look at the 
TomTom page.

Having TomTom software on your Palm likely doesn't matter.


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[OSM-talk] [tagging] RFC open - new key - bridge_type=

[Gervase Markham]

It is useful to know what sort of bridge a bridge is, in order to e.g. 
use an appropriate icon, or (perhaps on canals) to know whether you need 
to get the kids up to move the swing bridge in five minutes time.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Bridge_Type

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[OSM-talk] [tagging] RFC open - Amenity: Sanitary Station

[Gervase Markham]

A place where canal boats can empty small toilet tanks manually.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Sanitary_Station

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Re: [OSM-talk] Straw Poll - Disk space used by OSM photos/audio

[Alex S.]

Jo wrote:
> Robert Vollmert schreef:
>> I believe gpsbabel supports this kind of operation:
>>
>> gpsbabel -i gpx -f raw.gpx -x  
>> radius,exclude,distance=1.5M,lat=30.0,lon=-90.0 -o gpx -F filtered.gpx
>>
> Of course if you use the actual position of your house as the center of 
> that radius, it would still be trivial to find where you live. That's 
> why I tried to exclude points using a polygon (saved as a text file). 
> This didn't seem to work though.

There was a presentation by microsoft at google concerning managing 
large groups of anonymous gps traces posted here a while back.  Their 
result for best masking of origin was to choose a random point in a 
circle up to .5km from the origin to use as the center of a 1km circle 
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[OSM-talk] [tagging] RFC open - Amenity: Pumpout

[Gervase Markham]

A place where canal boats can have their human waste tanks emptied by a 
machine.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Pumpout

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[OSM-talk] [tagging] RFC open - new key - bridge_ref=

[Gervase Markham]

Canal bridges, and some other bridge types too (railway bridges, 
certainly) have bridge numbers for navigation or for quick unambiguous 
reference. Canal boaters use bridge numbers as a primary means of 
navigation and direction. We need a tag to encode this.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Bridge_Number

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[OSM-talk] [tagging] RFC open - new key - narrows=yes

[Gervase Markham]

Sometimes, waterways get narrower for a brief period of time, such as 
"under" a long-removed bridge. It's useful, when reading a map, to know 
that this is coming. It's also a handy navigational aid.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Narrows

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[OSM-talk] [tagging] RFC open - new key - rise=

[Gervase Markham]

A canal lock has a distance between the upper and lower levels which it 
is useful sometimes to know. (It allows you to calculate the total 
height of the flight, and is a factor in transition time.) This distance 
is referred to as the "rise".

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Rise

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[OSM-talk] [tagging] RFC open - new key - towpath=yes

[Gervase Markham]

Most canals have towpaths. One could just have a way alongside which is 
otherwise unassociated, but it seems to make sense to indicate the 
towpath's status as such, so it can be unambiguously picked out for 
rendering on e.g. canal maps. This is particularly important where the 
towpath leaves the canal (e.g. for tunnels).

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Towpath

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[OSM-talk] [tagging] RFC open - deprecation of "boat=private"

[Gervase Markham]

proposal for deletion - replace with access=private.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/boat%3Dprivate

Gerv


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Re: [OSM-talk] Straw Poll - Disk space used by OSM photos/audio

[Jo]

Robert Vollmert schreef:
> Hello,
>
> On Feb 13, 2008 9:41 AM, Gregory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Maybe (I possibly thought this when I started) so nobody knows  
>> where I live/start, but I could easily not worry about that.
>> 
>
>
> On Feb 13, 2008, at 19:14, Karl Newman wrote:
>   
>> Yeah, I've been collecting traces, too, but not yet uploading them  
>> because I don't really want the cluster of points around my house.  
>> I found a graphical editor that can edit traces (GPSTrackMaker) but  
>> I haven't had time to edit them for uploading yet.
>> 
>
> I believe gpsbabel supports this kind of operation:
>
> gpsbabel -i gpx -f raw.gpx -x  
> radius,exclude,distance=1.5M,lat=30.0,lon=-90.0 -o gpx -F filtered.gpx
>
> should remove all points within 1 1/2 miles of the specified lat/lon  
> pair from raw.gpx, saving the output in filtered.gpx. (I haven't  
> tested this.)
>
> See also http://www.gpsbabel.org/htmldoc-development/ 
> filter_radius.html .
>
> Would it make sense to add these kind of filters to the GPX upload  
> facility to encourage more people to upload their traces? I'd also  
> like some automatic time shift (to say the first of the month, at  
> 0:00)...
>   
Of course if you use the actual position of your house as the center of 
that radius, it would still be trivial to find where you live. That's 
why I tried to exclude points using a polygon (saved as a text file). 
This didn't seem to work though.
I like the idea of timeshifting the timestamps.

Polyglot

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[OSM-talk] [tagging] RFC open - Amenity: Waste_Disposal

[Gervase Markham]

A rubbish dumping area; replaces waterway=waste_disposal and redefines 
it to make the definition fit the name better.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Waste_Disposal

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[OSM-talk] Fwd: Japanese and Chinese unicode fonts

[serge karamazov]

Forgot to reply all, again...


-- Forwarded message --
From: serge karamazov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2008/2/14
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Japanese and Chinese unicode fonts
To: Artem Pavlenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Romaji are just the latin alphabet really.
 As Martin pointed it out (I don't know if you got the mail) there seem
 to be some accentuated characters missing, such as ō (unicode 014d).

 Renaud.

 On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Artem Pavlenko


<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 > Renaud,
 >
 >
 >
 >  > Japanese characters are ok here. The missing characters seem to be
 >  > romaji characters but I can't take a look at the raw data right now so
 >  > not sure.
 >  >
 >  >
 >
 >  Thanks, we need to use font with romaji glyphs then
 >
 >
 >  > Renaud.
 >  >
 >
 >  Artem
 >
 >
 > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 1:00 AM, Artem Pavlenko
 >  > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 >  >> While experimenting with Japanese fonts, I was using Osaka.dfont (OS
 >  >>  X) :
 >  >>
 >  >>  http://artem.dev.openstreetmap.org/files/osaka.jpg
 >  >>
 >  >>  Japanese characters appears correct, but some others are missing,
 >  >>  which font should we be using for Japanese (and Chinese) characters?
 >  >>
 >  >>  Cheers
 >  >>  Artem
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Re: [OSM-talk] Straw Poll - Disk space used by OSM photos/audio

[Karl Newman]

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 2:04 AM, Robert Vollmert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> On Feb 13, 2008 9:41 AM, Gregory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Maybe (I possibly thought this when I started) so nobody knows
> > where I live/start, but I could easily not worry about that.
>
>
> On Feb 13, 2008, at 19:14, Karl Newman wrote:
> > Yeah, I've been collecting traces, too, but not yet uploading them
> > because I don't really want the cluster of points around my house.
> > I found a graphical editor that can edit traces (GPSTrackMaker) but
> > I haven't had time to edit them for uploading yet.
>
> I believe gpsbabel supports this kind of operation:
>
> gpsbabel -i gpx -f raw.gpx -x
> radius,exclude,distance=1.5M,lat=30.0,lon=-90.0 -o gpx -F filtered.gpx
>
> should remove all points within 1 1/2 miles of the specified lat/lon
> pair from raw.gpx, saving the output in filtered.gpx. (I haven't
> tested this.)
>
> See also http://www.gpsbabel.org/htmldoc-development/
> filter_radius.html .
>

I tried exactly that filter first, a while ago. For some strange reason,
that filter only works on waypoints, not trackpoints. I think I read
somewhere that the author said it "didn't make sense" to filter trackpoints
like that--didn't know what to do with the points after the gap (hint: new
track segment).


> Would it make sense to add these kind of filters to the GPX upload
> facility to encourage more people to upload their traces?


It would probably encourage more people like me to upload. However, since I
carry my GPS around with me almost everywhere (at least when I'm going
places where I don't yet have tracks), I'd probably need to filter out a
bunch of useless stuff anyway, such as the cluster of points when I stop at
a store or something.

I'd also
> like some automatic time shift (to say the first of the month, at
> 0:00)...


What's the purpose of that change? To disguise the actual timestamps?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Arabic shaping

[Artem Pavlenko]

On 14 Feb 2008, at 09:40, Martin Vidner wrote:

> Yes, the primary highway has a proper rendition of "shari` al-hasan
> al-thani" (Hasan II. Street). Similarly for the other street.
>
Cool, thanks
A
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:59 AM, Artem Pavlenko
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  http://artem.dev.openstreetmap.org/files/morocco.jpg
>>  Could someone, verify, and tell me it looks cool.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Japanese and Chinese unicode fonts

[Artem Pavlenko]

Renaud,


> Japanese characters are ok here. The missing characters seem to be
> romaji characters but I can't take a look at the raw data right now so
> not sure.
>
>

Thanks, we need to use font with romaji glyphs then


> Renaud.
>

Artem
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 1:00 AM, Artem Pavlenko
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> While experimenting with Japanese fonts, I was using Osaka.dfont (OS
>>  X) :
>>
>>  http://artem.dev.openstreetmap.org/files/osaka.jpg
>>
>>  Japanese characters appears correct, but some others are missing,
>>  which font should we be using for Japanese (and Chinese) characters?
>>
>>  Cheers
>>  Artem
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch Background Imagery

[Richard Fairhurst]

Patrick Weber wrote:

> This is confusing, and given the limited
> extent currently of high quality data on there, wouldnt it make much
> more sense to keep Yahoo as the default Imagery?

Yes, that was the intention. Yahoo is still meant to be the default.  
It's a bug which I'm planning to fix (related to  
http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/684 ).

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Re: [OSM-talk] Tracking with Palm and Tomtom

[Rodrigo Moya]

On Thu, 2008-02-14 at 12:30 +0100, Listas wrote:
> Hello,
> Andy Robinson (blackadder) escribió:
> > Do you check:
> >
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/TomTom
> >   
> This is only for TomTom machines but I have a Palm OS PDA. I want to 
> track zones but I don't know how to include street names in tracking. I 
> think if I use TomTom maps and log these routes I can make my own gpx 
> files to upload in Open Street Map. I want to track all of my zones 
> because there isn't any track maked. Can you send me some ideas ?? I 
> think if I track my routes with pathaway, cetus or coto, I only have 
> positions, points of my route but I haven't street names, zone names...
> 
> I find this project today and I want to start today! I am very happy to 
> contribute to it!
> 
tomtom software, AFAIK, does not include tracking, so you'll need a
separate application. Check this page:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/GPS_Reviews

there might be something about your specific PDA model
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Re: [OSM-talk] Tracking with Palm and Tomtom

[Listas]

Robert (Jamie) Munro escribió:
> Listas wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I want to know how to make a track with a Palm and Tomtom. Is this 
>> possible ?? I know how to do a track log with pathaway,
>> cetus, coto, etc But with a tomtom maps and a Palm with Gps ??
>
> I presume you mean a Palm with TomTom software?
Yes, I only have a Palm with TomTom software.
>
> Or do you have a fully fledged TomTom as well as your Palm?
>
> If the former, then your question is just a OSM on Palm question. If 
> the latter, see the TomTom page in the wiki.
I don't understand this... Can you explain a bit more ?
>
> Robert (Jamie) Munro
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[OSM-talk] Potlatch Background Imagery

[Patrick Weber]

Hi

Just wanted to edit a way in Potlatch, and noticed that the "Yahoo 
Imagery" had decreased resolution suddenly. I thought whats going on ?? 
Then I checked the Potlatch options, and saw the the Background Layer 
was set as Undefined. Setting it to Yahoo explicitely then showed again 
the usual good quality Imagery. It seems that now the OpenAerial Imagery 
is set as the default. This is confusing, and given the limited extent 
currently of high quality data on there, wouldnt it make much more sense 
to keep Yahoo as the default Imagery?


Cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] Japanese and Chinese unicode fonts

[serge karamazov]

Aye I wasn't sure which character. Anyway Japanese characters are
displaying fine, that's good news I guess.


Renaud.

2008/2/14 Martin Vidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Here it appears to be a single missing character, o with macron, ō.
>
>
>
>  On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:58 AM, serge karamazov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > Japanese characters are ok here. The missing characters seem to be
>  >  romaji characters but I can't take a look at the raw data right now so
>  >  not sure.
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Re: [OSM-talk] FYI: Yahoo Fire Eagle

[Ben Ward]

Trying again with different sender address:


On 13/02/2008, Robert (Jamie) Munro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> This seems like something we will be interested in:
> http://fireeagle.research.yahoo.com/
> Perhaps someone in the foundation can click the interested in
> partnerships link on that page.
>
> Quoting
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs/2008/02/indoor_camping_and_the_social.shtml
>
> "For me I'm really exited by Tom Coates and Rabble's latest Yahoo!
> project: Fire Eagle; which allows you to share you location with
> friends, other websites or services.



I am actually an alpha member of this.  It's quite interesting, though how
it relates to OSM currently requires some imagination.

When I'm logging for badgertrack (which submits my location to fireeagle and
gsmloc) I tend to put it on an intelligent update mode (ie. kalman filter,
degrees of change, distance from last update).  When I'm doing OSM GPX
logging I use 1-second resolution (unless I'm walking).

I tend to find that the control on my mobile software doesn't really let me
log at a different rate to that which I'm uploading my position, so
resolution suffers for logging or I send http requests before the response
reaches me and probably end up getting rate-limited somewhere along the
line.  So if you write mobile GPS client software take note :-)

Here's an example of the output of the Public URL (you can control the
detail of the results for the public feed.
http://fireeagle.research.yahoo.com/api/queryLoc.php?public=.FRqBBEHIXvPFNR3Zk03_8bRJos-

Fire Eagle is an interesting project.  Using the output of the geocoding is
my next priority (especially cellid lookups) but this is likely to be
copyright data and not of interest to the OSM  project.  I think the most
important part of it is that it has permission and detail control for
individual applications, acting as a location-broker.  Very forward-thinking
if you ask me.

Ben


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Re: [OSM-talk] Straw Poll - Disk space used by OSM photos/audio

[80n]

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Michael Collinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 11:04 AM 2/14/2008, Robert Vollmert wrote:
> >Hello,
> >
> >On Feb 13, 2008 9:41 AM, Gregory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Maybe (I possibly thought this when I started) so nobody knows
> > > where I live/start, but I could easily not worry about that.
> >
> >
> >On Feb 13, 2008, at 19:14, Karl Newman wrote:
> > > Yeah, I've been collecting traces, too, but not yet uploading them
> > > because I don't really want the cluster of points around my house.
> > > I found a graphical editor that can edit traces (GPSTrackMaker) but
> > > I haven't had time to edit them for uploading yet.
> >
> >I believe gpsbabel supports this kind of operation:
> >
> >gpsbabel -i gpx -f raw.gpx -x
> >radius,exclude,distance=1.5M,lat=30.0,lon=-90.0 -o gpx -F filtered.gpx
> >
> >should remove all points within 1 1/2 miles of the specified lat/lon
> >pair from raw.gpx, saving the output in filtered.gpx. (I haven't
> >tested this.)
> >
> >See also http://www.gpsbabel.org/htmldoc-development/
> >filter_radius.html .
> >
> >Would it make sense to add these kind of filters to the GPX upload
> >facility to encourage more people to upload their traces? I'd also
> >like some automatic time shift (to say the first of the month, at
> >0:00)...
>
> The radius filter sounds a good idea. It does not bother me, but it
> is a common concern that regularly comes up.
>

It's a good idea, but you should not make the centre of the circle the exact
place where you live, otherwise it's a bit of a giveaway.



>
> Mike
> Stockholm
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Re: [OSM-talk] Straw Poll - Disk space used by OSM photos/audio

[Michael Collinson]

At 11:04 AM 2/14/2008, Robert Vollmert wrote:
>Hello,
>
>On Feb 13, 2008 9:41 AM, Gregory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Maybe (I possibly thought this when I started) so nobody knows
> > where I live/start, but I could easily not worry about that.
>
>
>On Feb 13, 2008, at 19:14, Karl Newman wrote:
> > Yeah, I've been collecting traces, too, but not yet uploading them
> > because I don't really want the cluster of points around my house.
> > I found a graphical editor that can edit traces (GPSTrackMaker) but
> > I haven't had time to edit them for uploading yet.
>
>I believe gpsbabel supports this kind of operation:
>
>gpsbabel -i gpx -f raw.gpx -x
>radius,exclude,distance=1.5M,lat=30.0,lon=-90.0 -o gpx -F filtered.gpx
>
>should remove all points within 1 1/2 miles of the specified lat/lon
>pair from raw.gpx, saving the output in filtered.gpx. (I haven't
>tested this.)
>
>See also http://www.gpsbabel.org/htmldoc-development/
>filter_radius.html .
>
>Would it make sense to add these kind of filters to the GPX upload
>facility to encourage more people to upload their traces? I'd also
>like some automatic time shift (to say the first of the month, at
>0:00)...

The radius filter sounds a good idea. It does not bother me, but it 
is a common concern that regularly comes up.

Mike
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Re: [OSM-talk] Straw Poll - Disk space used by OSM photos/audio

[Gregory]

On 14/02/2008, David Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Robert Vollmert wrote:
>
>
> > Would it make sense to add these kind of filters to the GPX upload
> > facility to encourage more people to upload their traces? I'd also
> > like some automatic time shift (to say the first of the month, at
> > 0:00)...
> >
>
> Would an option in Josm to upload gpx with map edits also encourage this?
>
>
> David
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That would make it easier for sure.
Now I just need to know if there is a real request for my tracks?
It might be better for people not to see my traces untill I'm sure I've
fully finsihed tracing them as some helpful person could try tracing and
guessing what they are.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Tracking with Palm and Tomtom

[Andy Robinson (blackadder)]

Listas wrote:
>Sent: 14 February 2008 11:31 AM
>Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Tracking with Palm and Tomtom
>
>Hello,
>Andy Robinson (blackadder) escribió:
>> Do you check:
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/TomTom
>>
>This is only for TomTom machines but I have a Palm OS PDA. I want to
>track zones but I don't know how to include street names in tracking. I
>think if I use TomTom maps and log these routes I can make my own gpx
>files to upload in Open Street Map. I want to track all of my zones
>because there isn't any track maked. Can you send me some ideas ?? I
>think if I track my routes with pathaway, cetus or coto, I only have
>positions, points of my route but I haven't street names, zone names...

Whichever method of obtaining traces you use you still need to gather the
street names separately, either by writing them down as you travel, by
photographing them, or by using a Dictaphone/voice recorder.

>
>I find this project today and I want to start today! I am very happy to
>contribute to it!

Do spend a little time to read the various newbie pages and FAQ stuff on the
wiki. You might also have a play with potlatch (the online editor accessed
via the "Edit" tab on the OSM home page) in practice mode before you upload
data for real. Its worth spending a little time to get to know the tools.

Cheers

Andy
>
>Thank you!
>> Cheers
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:talk-
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Listas
>>> Sent: 14 February 2008 10:23 AM
>>> To: talk@openstreetmap.org
>>> Subject: [OSM-talk] Tracking with Palm and Tomtom
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I want to know how to make a track with a Palm and Tomtom. Is this
>possible
>>> ?? I know how to do a track log with pathaway, cetus, coto, etc But with
>a
>>> tomtom maps and a Palm with Gps ??
>>>
>>> Thank you!
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Re: [OSM-talk] Tracking with Palm and Tomtom

[Listas]

Hello,
Andy Robinson (blackadder) escribió:
> Do you check:
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/TomTom
>   
This is only for TomTom machines but I have a Palm OS PDA. I want to 
track zones but I don't know how to include street names in tracking. I 
think if I use TomTom maps and log these routes I can make my own gpx 
files to upload in Open Street Map. I want to track all of my zones 
because there isn't any track maked. Can you send me some ideas ?? I 
think if I track my routes with pathaway, cetus or coto, I only have 
positions, points of my route but I haven't street names, zone names...

I find this project today and I want to start today! I am very happy to 
contribute to it!

Thank you!
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
>   
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:talk-
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Listas
>> Sent: 14 February 2008 10:23 AM
>> To: talk@openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: [OSM-talk] Tracking with Palm and Tomtom
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I want to know how to make a track with a Palm and Tomtom. Is this possible
>> ?? I know how to do a track log with pathaway, cetus, coto, etc But with a
>> tomtom maps and a Palm with Gps ??
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Tracking with Palm and Tomtom

[Andy Robinson (blackadder)]

Do you check:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/TomTom

Cheers

Andy

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>To: talk@openstreetmap.org
>Subject: [OSM-talk] Tracking with Palm and Tomtom
>
>Hello,
>
>I want to know how to make a track with a Palm and Tomtom. Is this possible
>?? I know how to do a track log with pathaway, cetus, coto, etc But with a
>tomtom maps and a Palm with Gps ??
>
>Thank you!
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Re: [OSM-talk] Straw Poll - Disk space used by OSM photos/audio

[Andy Robinson (blackadder)]

David Stevenson wrote:
>Sent: 14 February 2008 10:00 AM
>Cc: Talk Openstreetmap
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Straw Poll - Disk space used by OSM photos/audio
>
>Robert Vollmert wrote:
>
>
>> Would it make sense to add these kind of filters to the GPX upload
>> facility to encourage more people to upload their traces? I'd also
>> like some automatic time shift (to say the first of the month, at
>> 0:00)...
>>

I'm sure it would, though clearly some users still have a problem with
others being able identify their activities so perhaps some filtering of
data will be an additional requirement to encourage all to upload their
traces.

Cheers

Andy

>Would an option in Josm to upload gpx with map edits also encourage this?
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Straw Poll - Disk space used by OSM photos/audio

[David Stevenson]

Robert Vollmert wrote:


> Would it make sense to add these kind of filters to the GPX upload  
> facility to encourage more people to upload their traces? I'd also  
> like some automatic time shift (to say the first of the month, at  
> 0:00)...
> 
Would an option in Josm to upload gpx with map edits also encourage this?

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[OSM-talk] Tracking with Palm and Tomtom

[Listas]

Hello,

I want to know how to make a track with a Palm and Tomtom. Is this possible ?? 
I know how to do a track log with pathaway, cetus, coto, etc But with a tomtom 
maps and a Palm with Gps ??

Thank you!


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Re: [OSM-talk] Straw Poll - Disk space used by OSM photos/audio

[Robert Vollmert]

Hello,

On Feb 13, 2008 9:41 AM, Gregory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Maybe (I possibly thought this when I started) so nobody knows  
> where I live/start, but I could easily not worry about that.


On Feb 13, 2008, at 19:14, Karl Newman wrote:
> Yeah, I've been collecting traces, too, but not yet uploading them  
> because I don't really want the cluster of points around my house.  
> I found a graphical editor that can edit traces (GPSTrackMaker) but  
> I haven't had time to edit them for uploading yet.

I believe gpsbabel supports this kind of operation:

gpsbabel -i gpx -f raw.gpx -x  
radius,exclude,distance=1.5M,lat=30.0,lon=-90.0 -o gpx -F filtered.gpx

should remove all points within 1 1/2 miles of the specified lat/lon  
pair from raw.gpx, saving the output in filtered.gpx. (I haven't  
tested this.)

See also http://www.gpsbabel.org/htmldoc-development/ 
filter_radius.html .

Would it make sense to add these kind of filters to the GPX upload  
facility to encourage more people to upload their traces? I'd also  
like some automatic time shift (to say the first of the month, at  
0:00)...

Cheers
Robert


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Re: [OSM-talk] Japanese and Chinese unicode fonts

[serge karamazov]

Japanese characters are ok here. The missing characters seem to be
romaji characters but I can't take a look at the raw data right now so
not sure.


Renaud.

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 1:00 AM, Artem Pavlenko
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> While experimenting with Japanese fonts, I was using Osaka.dfont (OS
>  X) :
>
>  http://artem.dev.openstreetmap.org/files/osaka.jpg
>
>  Japanese characters appears correct, but some others are missing,
>  which font should we be using for Japanese (and Chinese) characters?
>
>  Cheers
>  Artem
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Re: [OSM-talk] Arabic shaping

[Martin Vidner]

Yes, the primary highway has a proper rendition of "shari` al-hasan
al-thani" (Hasan II. Street). Similarly for the other street.

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:59 AM, Artem Pavlenko
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  http://artem.dev.openstreetmap.org/files/morocco.jpg
>  Could someone, verify, and tell me it looks cool.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Kosmos on Linux

[Igor Brejc]

Daniel Schmidt wrote:
> Great job, Igor!
>
> It even works on my Macintosh (Mac OS X 10.5.2) using mono.
> Only issue I see right now is a constant fickering in the "open file"  
> dialog (but only in the Kosmos root directory and "srtm").
>
>   
Great to know, thanks!
Unfortunately, I cannot do much about the dialog - it's the standard 
Mono dialog. Do you use other Mono SW on your Mac? How does it behave there?

Regards,
Igor

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