Re: [OSM-talk] ford=no for highways which are known to have no fords?

[Warin]

On 6/1/2016 7:18 AM, Richard wrote:

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 07:01:07PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:

2016-05-31 15:03 GMT+02:00 Richard :


often enough I get messages from people saying that drawing a bridge
or culvert for every minor highway/waterway crossing causes more
trouble than use and I tend to agree.


If you and they don't 'like' them .. don't enter them and don't render them.
There are a few things in OSM that I have no interest in .. but I don't 
advocate there demotion.



I disagree. Either there is a bridge / culvert in reality, and in this case
why wouldn't we want it in OSM, or there isn't and then it is a simple
error waiting to be corrected.

so what do you do if you drove along a track know there is not a single
ford but don't have enough information to know whether there is
a bridge or culvert in most places? There are some notable bridges but
everything that is notable probably deserves at least a man_made=bridge
anyway while the rest ist just I don't get wet feet here.


If you don't know if there are bridges/culverts then you don't map them ...


Which trouble do these elements cause? I realize they make it harder to
apply modifications to long (i.e. probably more pieces) ways, but on the
other hand, casual mistakes also don't extend very far.

I have seen many examples of culverts applied to the wrong segment
of the way.. theese seem to go easily unnoticed for long periods of
time.



Any entry is prone to error. Even ford=no!
Introducing a new tag/value just introduces more possible errors if you want to 
look at it that way.
You are looking for a solution to a problem, but your proposed solution just 
adds yet another potential problem.




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Re: [OSM-talk] Burger King use of OSM without Attribution

[Mikel Maron]

Thanks -- yes appreciate the heads up on the issue, and please give us a few 
days to get this fixed. Mapbox takes attribution very seriously, and has 
relationships with the relevant customers to get this addressed.
And by the way, working on setting up a contact point where attribution issues 
on Mapbox hosted maps can be directly reported. 
-Mikel
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On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 5:03 PM, Milo van der Linden  
wrote:
 
 

 I agree, as we are on "speaking terms"  with mapbox, it seems to me that we 
can easily fix this like gentlemen.
Kind regards,
Milo
2016-05-31 22:35 GMT+02:00 Benoît Barteaux :

  They don't seem to cut the image, as the problem seems to come from mapbox 
directly. I think that sending now a copyright notice to BK/mapbox would seem a 
bit premature and upfront. Give them time for the email to travel to the right 
person and to think/react for a bit. After some time then, maybe. Cheers, Benoit
  
 On 31/05/16 22:16, Clifford Snow wrote:
  
 Mikel, I wonder if they just crop the image for the website, cutting off 
attribution? They haven't replied to me, so I am going to look for something 
like a legal contact at Burger King. Though we could issue a copyright takedown 
to AWS. 
  
   
 On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Mikel Maron  wrote:
 
   Thanks for the report, we're looking into sorting out this attribution issue 
at Mapbox.   * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron   
 
  On Saturday, May 28, 2016 4:51 AM, Milo van der Linden 
 wrote:
  
 
 
Burgerking is using the static image api from mapbox: 
  
http://api.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/dondeinc.ilo032fk/url-http%3A%2F%2Fs3.amazonaws.com%2Fdonde-img%2Fpin-bk.png%3Fc%3D3(-117.4382504,47.71573001)/-117.4382504,47.71573001,16/640x640.png
  
  So perhaps mapbox should be asked why attribution is not visible in the 
static image api.  
 2016-05-28 7:22 GMT+02:00 Clifford Snow :
 
  I notices a new user added a fast food node [1] in Spokane, WA. The name was 
entered as BK. Assuming it was probably a Burger King, I did a search and  
found that it was actually a Burger King restaurant. What I noticed was their 
map [2] was identical to OSM.  
  I sent a message via their contact me link on the page asking that they 
comply with our terms of use.  
  Has anyone else noticed Burger King using OSM data before?  
  [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/39617650 [2] 
http://www.bk.com/restaurants/wa/spokane/1804-west-francis-ave-5816.html 
  On a side note, I did send the user a message asking to verify the name. 
First time user with MAPS.ME.  
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Re: [OSM-talk] ford=no for highways which are known to have no fords?

[Richard]

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 07:01:07PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> 2016-05-31 15:03 GMT+02:00 Richard :
> 
> > often enough I get messages from people saying that drawing a bridge
> > or culvert for every minor highway/waterway crossing causes more
> > trouble than use and I tend to agree.
> >
> 
> 
> I disagree. Either there is a bridge / culvert in reality, and in this case
> why wouldn't we want it in OSM, or there isn't and then it is a simple
> error waiting to be corrected.

so what do you do if you drove along a track know there is not a single 
ford but don't have enough information to know whether there is
a bridge or culvert in most places? There are some notable bridges but
everything that is notable probably deserves at least a man_made=bridge
anyway while the rest ist just I don't get wet feet here.

> Which trouble do these elements cause? I realize they make it harder to
> apply modifications to long (i.e. probably more pieces) ways, but on the
> other hand, casual mistakes also don't extend very far.

I have seen many examples of culverts applied to the wrong segment
of the way.. theese seem to go easily unnoticed for long periods of 
time.

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Re: [OSM-talk] ford=no for highways which are known to have no fords?

[Richard]

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 11:13:36AM -0700, Ben Discoe wrote:
> FWIW, I simply set the following key mapping in JOSM:
> 
> Shift-D: add bridge=yes, layer=1
> Shift-C: add tunnel=culvert, layer=-1

nice.. but still need to select or add two nodes, split the
ways, and select the correct segment before hitting s-d/s-c.

I found plenty of places where people have done everything
correctly but accidentally applied the bridge/culvert/layer
to the wrong way segment or one of the nodes - any way to 
automate that even more?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Burger King use of OSM without Attribution

[Milo van der Linden]

I agree, as we are on "speaking terms"  with mapbox, it seems to me that we
can easily fix this like gentlemen.

Kind regards,

Milo

2016-05-31 22:35 GMT+02:00 Benoît Barteaux :

> They don't seem to cut the image, as the problem seems to come from mapbox
> directly.
>
> I think that sending now a copyright notice to BK/mapbox would seem a bit
> premature and upfront. Give them time for the email to travel to the right
> person and to think/react for a bit. After some time then, maybe.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Benoit
>
> On 31/05/16 22:16, Clifford Snow wrote:
>
> Mikel,
> I wonder if they just crop the image for the website, cutting off
> attribution? They haven't replied to me, so I am going to look for
> something like a legal contact at Burger King. Though we could issue a
> copyright takedown to AWS.
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Mikel Maron 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the report, we're looking into sorting out this attribution
>> issue at Mapbox.
>>
>> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, May 28, 2016 4:51 AM, Milo van der Linden 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Burgerking is using the static image api from mapbox:
>>
>>
>> http://api.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/dondeinc.ilo032fk/url-http%3A%2F%2Fs3.amazonaws.com%2Fdonde-img%2Fpin-bk.png%3Fc%3D3(-117.4382504,47.71573001)/-117.4382504,47.71573001,16/640x640.png
>> 
>>
>> So perhaps mapbox should be asked why attribution is not visible in the
>> static image api.
>>
>> 2016-05-28 7:22 GMT+02:00 Clifford Snow < 
>> cliff...@snowandsnow.us>:
>>
>> I notices a new user added a fast food node [1] in Spokane, WA. The name
>> was entered as BK. Assuming it was probably a Burger King, I did a search
>> and found that it was actually a Burger King restaurant. What I noticed was
>> their map [2] was identical to OSM.
>>
>> I sent a message via their contact me link on the page asking that they
>> comply with our terms of use.
>>
>> Has anyone else noticed Burger King using OSM data before?
>>
>> [1] 
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/39617650
>> [2]
>> 
>> http://www.bk.com/restaurants/wa/spokane/1804-west-francis-ave-5816.html
>>
>> On a side note, I did send the user a message asking to verify the name.
>> First time user with MAPS.ME .
>>
>> Clifford
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Re: [OSM-talk] Burger King use of OSM without Attribution

[Benoît Barteaux]

They don't seem to cut the image, as the problem seems to come from 
mapbox directly.


I think that sending now a copyright notice to BK/mapbox would seem a 
bit premature and upfront. Give them time for the email to travel to the 
right person and to think/react for a bit. After some time then, maybe.


Cheers,

Benoit


On 31/05/16 22:16, Clifford Snow wrote:

Mikel,
I wonder if they just crop the image for the website, cutting off 
attribution? They haven't replied to me, so I am going to look for 
something like a legal contact at Burger King. Though we could issue a 
copyright takedown to AWS.




On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Mikel Maron > wrote:


Thanks for the report, we're looking into sorting out this
attribution issue at Mapbox.
* Mikel Maron * +14152835207  @mikel s:mikelmaron


On Saturday, May 28, 2016 4:51 AM, Milo van der Linden
mailto:m...@dogodigi.net>> wrote:



Burgerking is using the static image api from mapbox:


http://api.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/dondeinc.ilo032fk/url-http%3A%2F%2Fs3.amazonaws.com%2Fdonde-img%2Fpin-bk.png%3Fc%3D3(-117.4382504,47.71573001)/-117.4382504,47.71573001,16/640x640.png



So perhaps mapbox should be asked why attribution is not
visible in the static image api.

2016-05-28 7:22 GMT+02:00 Clifford Snow
mailto:cliff...@snowandsnow.us>>:

I notices a new user added a fast food node [1] in
Spokane, WA. The name was entered as BK. Assuming it was
probably a Burger King, I did a search and found that it
was actually a Burger King restaurant. What I noticed was
their map [2] was identical to OSM.

I sent a message via their contact me link on the page
asking that they comply with our terms of use.

Has anyone else noticed Burger King using OSM data before?

[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/39617650
[2]

http://www.bk.com/restaurants/wa/spokane/1804-west-francis-ave-5816.html

On a side note, I did send the user a message asking to
verify the name. First time user with MAPS.ME
.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Burger King use of OSM without Attribution

[Clifford Snow]

OK - Sent message to Burger King's legal department. Let's see what happens.



On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Clifford Snow 
wrote:

> Mikel,
> I wonder if they just crop the image for the website, cutting off
> attribution? They haven't replied to me, so I am going to look for
> something like a legal contact at Burger King. Though we could issue a
> copyright takedown to AWS.
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Mikel Maron 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the report, we're looking into sorting out this attribution
>> issue at Mapbox.
>>
>> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, May 28, 2016 4:51 AM, Milo van der Linden 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Burgerking is using the static image api from mapbox:
>>
>>
>> http://api.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/dondeinc.ilo032fk/url-http%3A%2F%2Fs3.amazonaws.com%2Fdonde-img%2Fpin-bk.png%3Fc%3D3(-117.4382504,47.71573001)/-117.4382504,47.71573001,16/640x640.png
>>
>> So perhaps mapbox should be asked why attribution is not visible in the
>> static image api.
>>
>> 2016-05-28 7:22 GMT+02:00 Clifford Snow :
>>
>> I notices a new user added a fast food node [1] in Spokane, WA. The name
>> was entered as BK. Assuming it was probably a Burger King, I did a search
>> and found that it was actually a Burger King restaurant. What I noticed was
>> their map [2] was identical to OSM.
>>
>> I sent a message via their contact me link on the page asking that they
>> comply with our terms of use.
>>
>> Has anyone else noticed Burger King using OSM data before?
>>
>> [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/39617650
>> [2]
>> http://www.bk.com/restaurants/wa/spokane/1804-west-francis-ave-5816.html
>>
>> On a side note, I did send the user a message asking to verify the name.
>> First time user with MAPS.ME .
>>
>> Clifford
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Re: [OSM-talk] Burger King use of OSM without Attribution

[Nicolás Alvarez]

Don't rush it. Give Mapbox time to handle it from their side.

And I don't see how AWS is involved, the image is coming from
api.tiles.mapbox.com...

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2016-05-31 17:16 GMT-03:00 Clifford Snow :

> Mikel,
> I wonder if they just crop the image for the website, cutting off
> attribution? They haven't replied to me, so I am going to look for
> something like a legal contact at Burger King. Though we could issue a
> copyright takedown to AWS.
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Mikel Maron 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the report, we're looking into sorting out this attribution
>> issue at Mapbox.
>>
>> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, May 28, 2016 4:51 AM, Milo van der Linden 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Burgerking is using the static image api from mapbox:
>>
>>
>> http://api.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/dondeinc.ilo032fk/url-http%3A%2F%2Fs3.amazonaws.com%2Fdonde-img%2Fpin-bk.png%3Fc%3D3(-117.4382504,47.71573001)/-117.4382504,47.71573001,16/640x640.png
>>
>> So perhaps mapbox should be asked why attribution is not visible in the
>> static image api.
>>
>> 2016-05-28 7:22 GMT+02:00 Clifford Snow :
>>
>> I notices a new user added a fast food node [1] in Spokane, WA. The name
>> was entered as BK. Assuming it was probably a Burger King, I did a search
>> and found that it was actually a Burger King restaurant. What I noticed was
>> their map [2] was identical to OSM.
>>
>> I sent a message via their contact me link on the page asking that they
>> comply with our terms of use.
>>
>> Has anyone else noticed Burger King using OSM data before?
>>
>> [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/39617650
>> [2]
>> http://www.bk.com/restaurants/wa/spokane/1804-west-francis-ave-5816.html
>>
>> On a side note, I did send the user a message asking to verify the name.
>> First time user with MAPS.ME .
>>
>> Clifford
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Re: [OSM-talk] Burger King use of OSM without Attribution

[Clifford Snow]

Mikel,
I wonder if they just crop the image for the website, cutting off
attribution? They haven't replied to me, so I am going to look for
something like a legal contact at Burger King. Though we could issue a
copyright takedown to AWS.



On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Mikel Maron  wrote:

> Thanks for the report, we're looking into sorting out this attribution
> issue at Mapbox.
>
> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>
>
> On Saturday, May 28, 2016 4:51 AM, Milo van der Linden 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Burgerking is using the static image api from mapbox:
>
>
> http://api.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/dondeinc.ilo032fk/url-http%3A%2F%2Fs3.amazonaws.com%2Fdonde-img%2Fpin-bk.png%3Fc%3D3(-117.4382504,47.71573001)/-117.4382504,47.71573001,16/640x640.png
>
> So perhaps mapbox should be asked why attribution is not visible in the
> static image api.
>
> 2016-05-28 7:22 GMT+02:00 Clifford Snow :
>
> I notices a new user added a fast food node [1] in Spokane, WA. The name
> was entered as BK. Assuming it was probably a Burger King, I did a search
> and found that it was actually a Burger King restaurant. What I noticed was
> their map [2] was identical to OSM.
>
> I sent a message via their contact me link on the page asking that they
> comply with our terms of use.
>
> Has anyone else noticed Burger King using OSM data before?
>
> [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/39617650
> [2]
> http://www.bk.com/restaurants/wa/spokane/1804-west-francis-ave-5816.html
>
> On a side note, I did send the user a message asking to verify the name.
> First time user with MAPS.ME .
>
> Clifford
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Re: [OSM-talk] Burger King use of OSM without Attribution

[Mikel Maron]

Thanks for the report, we're looking into sorting out this attribution issue at 
Mapbox. * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

On Saturday, May 28, 2016 4:51 AM, Milo van der Linden  
wrote:
 
 

 Burgerking is using the static image api from mapbox:
http://api.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/dondeinc.ilo032fk/url-http%3A%2F%2Fs3.amazonaws.com%2Fdonde-img%2Fpin-bk.png%3Fc%3D3(-117.4382504,47.71573001)/-117.4382504,47.71573001,16/640x640.png

So perhaps mapbox should be asked why attribution is not visible in the static 
image api.
2016-05-28 7:22 GMT+02:00 Clifford Snow :

I notices a new user added a fast food node [1] in Spokane, WA. The name was 
entered as BK. Assuming it was probably a Burger King, I did a search and found 
that it was actually a Burger King restaurant. What I noticed was their map [2] 
was identical to OSM. 
I sent a message via their contact me link on the page asking that they comply 
with our terms of use. 
Has anyone else noticed Burger King using OSM data before? 
[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/39617650[2] 
http://www.bk.com/restaurants/wa/spokane/1804-west-francis-ave-5816.html
On a side note, I did send the user a message asking to verify the name. First 
time user with MAPS.ME.
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Re: [OSM-talk] ford=no for highways which are known to have no fords?

[Ben Discoe]

FWIW, I simply set the following key mapping in JOSM:

Shift-D: add bridge=yes, layer=1
Shift-C: add tunnel=culvert, layer=-1

Making bridges/culverts is then very quick and easy.

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 10:01 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer
 wrote:
>
> 2016-05-31 15:03 GMT+02:00 Richard :
>>
>> often enough I get messages from people saying that drawing a bridge
>> or culvert for every minor highway/waterway crossing causes more
>> trouble than use and I tend to agree.
>
>
>
> I disagree. Either there is a bridge / culvert in reality, and in this case
> why wouldn't we want it in OSM, or there isn't and then it is a simple error
> waiting to be corrected.
> Which trouble do these elements cause?

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Re: [OSM-talk] ford=no for highways which are known to have no fords?

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2016-05-31 15:03 GMT+02:00 Richard :

> often enough I get messages from people saying that drawing a bridge
> or culvert for every minor highway/waterway crossing causes more
> trouble than use and I tend to agree.
>


I disagree. Either there is a bridge / culvert in reality, and in this case
why wouldn't we want it in OSM, or there isn't and then it is a simple
error waiting to be corrected.
Which trouble do these elements cause? I realize they make it harder to
apply modifications to long (i.e. probably more pieces) ways, but on the
other hand, casual mistakes also don't extend very far.

Think how much work it is to construct a culvert or a bridge, those will
last typically for a long time (also because they are there for a reason),
and compare to how much work it is to put them into OSM (2 nodes, split,
add one tag). Is this still a real problem?

If you are not interested in mapping them, don't do it, but please do not
invent a tag that encourages not to map them.

Cheers,
Martin
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Re: [OSM-talk] Minor highways crossing, was ford=no for highways which are known to have no fords?

[Richard]

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 03:00:04PM +, Pierre Béland wrote:
> A good simplification would be to allow bridge=culvert or tunnel=culvert on a 
> highway node A lot simpler and more rapid to trace or revise highways with 
> successive culverts.

You mean 
  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Simple_one_node_bridge

I had that (or very similar) idea before but did not earn much approval.. hence 
this idea with ford=no.

Richard


>  
>  
> Pierre 
> 
> 
>   De : Richard 
>  À : talk@openstreetmap.org 
>  Envoyé le : mardi 31 mai 2016 9h03
>  Objet : [OSM-talk] ford=no for highways which are known to have no fords?
>
> Hi,
> 
> often enough I get messages from people saying that drawing a bridge 
> or culvert for every minor highway/waterway crossing causes more 
> trouble than use and I tend to agree.
> Splitting the ways and applying a bunch of tags for every single 
> tunnel/bridge is work and has a non-zero chance to introduce some 
> errors for zero gain.
> 
> So I was wondering - if we know that a long segment of a highway
> has no fords - could it be marked with ford=no? Or other similar
> attribute?
> 
> For some classes of roads like freeways this could be also
> declared to be the implicit default.
> 
> Richard
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Minor highways crossing, was ford=no for highways which are known to have no fords?

[Pierre Béland]

A good simplification would be to allow bridge=culvert or tunnel=culvert on a 
highway node A lot simpler and more rapid to trace or revise highways with 
successive culverts.
 
 
Pierre 


  De : Richard 
 À : talk@openstreetmap.org 
 Envoyé le : mardi 31 mai 2016 9h03
 Objet : [OSM-talk] ford=no for highways which are known to have no fords?
   
Hi,

often enough I get messages from people saying that drawing a bridge 
or culvert for every minor highway/waterway crossing causes more 
trouble than use and I tend to agree.
Splitting the ways and applying a bunch of tags for every single 
tunnel/bridge is work and has a non-zero chance to introduce some 
errors for zero gain.

So I was wondering - if we know that a long segment of a highway
has no fords - could it be marked with ford=no? Or other similar
attribute?

For some classes of roads like freeways this could be also
declared to be the implicit default.

Richard



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[OSM-talk] ford=no for highways which are known to have no fords?

[Richard]

Hi,

often enough I get messages from people saying that drawing a bridge 
or culvert for every minor highway/waterway crossing causes more 
trouble than use and I tend to agree.
Splitting the ways and applying a bunch of tags for every single 
tunnel/bridge is work and has a non-zero chance to introduce some 
errors for zero gain.

So I was wondering - if we know that a long segment of a highway
has no fords - could it be marked with ford=no? Or other similar
attribute?

For some classes of roads like freeways this could be also
declared to be the implicit default.

Richard



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