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Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Hunting area tagging

[Warin]

I would use the 'Open Data from official sources' to confirm the 'on the 
ground' public signage. A conflict should lead to further 
investigation/thought.


  On 25-Oct-16 10:45 AM, john whelan wrote:


A very interesting comment, considering the lengths we seem to go to 
to avoid importing Open Data from official sources.


Cheerio John


On 24 Oct 2016 7:35 pm, "Pine W" > wrote:


Just a comment that I'd be wary of "No hunting", "Hunting
allowed", or "Private property", or other signs on the ground that
can actually be placed by anyone, whether or not they are legal. A
problem that I've encountered more than once is a private property
owner putting out what appeared to me to be an illegal sign, like
putting a home-made speed limit sign on the small street that goes
by their house. A similar problem that I've heard about is
business owners putting out "No parking", "Customer parking only",
"Private beach", and similar signs which were made to look
official but actually were not approved by any government agency.
So signage that you see in public is not always trustworthy, and I
would be cautious about relying on it. Relying on official
databases seems to me to be preferable to relying on signage.

Pine

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer
> wrote:



sent from a phone

> Il giorno 24 ott 2016, alle ore 20:22, yvecai
> ha scritto:
>
> Michal,
> You're half right IMO. I don't see such problems if
> 1) tagging is made by hunters
> 2) mapping is made by hunters


I'm not a hunter, but I have encountered a lot of "hunting
forbidden" signs in different places, sometimes every few
meters apparently delimiting an area. While I didn't map them
at the time, I guess I could have done it without having
deeper insights into the hunting business, simply by looking
where the signs were.

What you ask for is desirable, but I would not make it a
requirement. In any field you can provide better mapping if
you know more about the topic, but this hasn't led us to only
ask specialists for their contribution.


cheers,
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[Talk-us] Rail rendering support in our wiki?

[OSM Volunteer stevea]

As I contribute to our wiki pages, I find it useful in certain circumstances to 
use this syntax:



to display (instead of mapnik/Standard) a bicycle-oriented map (Cycle Map 
layer, note "layer=cycle" above).  See, for example, 
http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/South_Bay_(SF),_California for Silicon Valley's unique 
"Expressways" and extensive bicycle infrastructure.

As I also make USA rail contributions, is there any way that our wiki might 
allow similar "layer=rail" syntax to display OpenRailwayMap (.org), for example 
to display an appropriate rendering at the top of our California/Railroads wiki 
page?

Also, if OSM's "layer" control (stack icon) added OpenRailwayMap, (to 
complement our Transport layer; thank you, Andy), that would be GREAT!

Thanks in advance to whomever might get this or these "stitched in" to our 
wonderful project,

SteveA
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Tag pour constructeur de maisons ?

[Jérôme Amagat]

pour moi c'est très bien

Le 24 octobre 2016 à 20:38, pepilepi...@ovh.fr  a écrit
:

> Le 24/10/2016 à 00:55, Jérôme Amagat a écrit :
>
> [...]
> Après avoir fait ton choix tu peux aussi ajouter quelque chose sur la page
> de discussion de office= https://wiki.openstreetmap.
> org/wiki/Talk:Key:office en expliquant un peu ce que fait cette
> entreprise et ton choix pour voir ce qu'en pense d'autres (des anglophones
> qui connaissent un peu ce type de travail).
>
> Comme ça
> 
> ?
>
> J'ai un peu l'impression de lancer une bouteille à la mer...
>
de laisser une trace dans la discussion ça permet de laisser une trace
quelque part. si quelqu'un a le même problème que toi pour taguer le même
genre de chose il peut tomber sur ton commentaire.


> Bonne soirée,
>
> JP
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Hunting area tagging

[john whelan]

A very interesting comment, considering the lengths we seem to go to to
avoid importing Open Data from official sources.

Cheerio John

On 24 Oct 2016 7:35 pm, "Pine W"  wrote:

> Just a comment that I'd be wary of "No hunting", "Hunting allowed", or
> "Private property", or other signs on the ground that can actually be
> placed by anyone, whether or not they are legal. A problem that I've
> encountered more than once is a private property owner putting out what
> appeared to me to be an illegal sign, like putting a home-made speed limit
> sign on the small street that goes by their house. A similar problem that
> I've heard about is business owners putting out "No parking", "Customer
> parking only", "Private beach", and similar signs which were made to look
> official but actually were not approved by any government agency. So
> signage that you see in public is not always trustworthy, and I would be
> cautious about relying on it. Relying on official databases seems to me to
> be preferable to relying on signage.
>
> Pine
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer <
> dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> sent from a phone
>>
>> > Il giorno 24 ott 2016, alle ore 20:22, yvecai  ha
>> scritto:
>> >
>> > Michal,
>> > You're half right IMO. I don't see such problems if
>> > 1) tagging is made by hunters
>> > 2) mapping is made by hunters
>>
>>
>> I'm not a hunter, but I have encountered a lot of "hunting forbidden"
>> signs in different places, sometimes every few meters apparently delimiting
>> an area. While I didn't map them at the time, I guess I could have done it
>> without having deeper insights into the hunting business, simply by looking
>> where the signs were.
>>
>> What you ask for is desirable, but I would not make it a requirement. In
>> any field you can provide better mapping if you know more about the topic,
>> but this hasn't led us to only ask specialists for their contribution.
>>
>>
>> cheers,
>> Martin
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Hunting area tagging

[Pine W]

Just a comment that I'd be wary of "No hunting", "Hunting allowed", or
"Private property", or other signs on the ground that can actually be
placed by anyone, whether or not they are legal. A problem that I've
encountered more than once is a private property owner putting out what
appeared to me to be an illegal sign, like putting a home-made speed limit
sign on the small street that goes by their house. A similar problem that
I've heard about is business owners putting out "No parking", "Customer
parking only", "Private beach", and similar signs which were made to look
official but actually were not approved by any government agency. So
signage that you see in public is not always trustworthy, and I would be
cautious about relying on it. Relying on official databases seems to me to
be preferable to relying on signage.

Pine

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> > Il giorno 24 ott 2016, alle ore 20:22, yvecai  ha
> scritto:
> >
> > Michal,
> > You're half right IMO. I don't see such problems if
> > 1) tagging is made by hunters
> > 2) mapping is made by hunters
>
>
> I'm not a hunter, but I have encountered a lot of "hunting forbidden"
> signs in different places, sometimes every few meters apparently delimiting
> an area. While I didn't map them at the time, I guess I could have done it
> without having deeper insights into the hunting business, simply by looking
> where the signs were.
>
> What you ask for is desirable, but I would not make it a requirement. In
> any field you can provide better mapping if you know more about the topic,
> but this hasn't led us to only ask specialists for their contribution.
>
>
> cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Hunting area tagging

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Il giorno 24 ott 2016, alle ore 20:22, yvecai  ha scritto:
> 
> Michal,
> You're half right IMO. I don't see such problems if
> 1) tagging is made by hunters
> 2) mapping is made by hunters


I'm not a hunter, but I have encountered a lot of "hunting forbidden" signs in 
different places, sometimes every few meters apparently delimiting an area. 
While I didn't map them at the time, I guess I could have done it without 
having deeper insights into the hunting business, simply by looking where the 
signs were.

What you ask for is desirable, but I would not make it a requirement. In any 
field you can provide better mapping if you know more about the topic, but this 
hasn't led us to only ask specialists for their contribution.


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] JOSM pour tracer les bâtiments

[André Pirard]

  
  
On 2016-10-24 17:26, Sus Verhoeven
  wrote:


  

  2016-10-24 0:55 GMT+02:00 André
Pirard :

  
On
  2016-10-23 20:54, Guy Vanvuchelen wrote:


  Voor het tekenen van gebouwen
gebruik ik het “Gebouwen tekenen (B)”. Bij dit
gereedschap kan je met “X” een lijn tussen twee
punten verplaatsen.
  De laatste tijd lukte dat niet
meer goed. De lijn werd soms schuin, en niet
loodrecht, verplaatst en zelf in ‘sprongen’ zodat
nauwkeurig tekenen niet gemakkelijk of zelfs
onmogelijk was. Ik ben wat gaan testen in de
voorkeuren en merkte dat het  probleem opgelost is
als ik de “Kaartprojectie” die ingesteld was op
EPSG4326 wijzigde in EPSG3857.  Van die
kaartprojectie snap ik niet veel en ik vraag me af
of ik die zomaar mag veranderen. 

La manière certainement la plus simple de cartographier
les bâtiments est le plugin Area Selection.
En un seul clic, il détermine et trace le pourtour du
bâtiment et il met les tags en incrémentant le n° de
maison.
On peut donc remplir une rue très rapidement en faisant
un clic par maison.
C'est tout à fait fantastique.
Mais rien n'est parfait, il faut parfois faire des
retouches, surtout de maisons connexes.
Et, pis que cela,  la dernière version de AS ne
fonctionne plus, du moins avec le PICC (essayer en AU).
Il va encore falloir que je me dévoue pour introduire un
bug.
C'était tout à fait fantastique.
Quelqu'un sait-il comment on trouve les anciennes
version des plugins?
C'est moi qui ai demandé qu'on les garde pour JOSM.

C'est désolant de pouvoir ainsi placer des maison aussi
facilement à 20 cm de précision et de rencontrer des
maisons qui se trouvent à 3-5m de leur endroit réel, et
sans tags? Que faut-il faire quand il faut 50 fois plus
de temps pour corriger que pour effacer et faire un
clic?

À mois qu'il n'y ait une raison d'utiliser EPSG4326, il
faut utiliser EPSG3857.
EPSG4326 introduit une légère erreur de positionnement.

Cordialement, 


  

  André.

  

  


  
Cet Areaselector plug-in  me semblait trés
  prometteur mais avec les images de AGIV il ne
  fonctione pas non plus..

Dommage. Vivement qu'on le remette en état.

  
  Avec regret.
  
  
  
  Sus 



  

  

I have submitted https://github.com/JOSM/areaselector/issues/25

Since an unknown time, Area Selector no longer works. It draws 4
ways at the border of the window.
Neither with BE SPW PICC, nor with BE AGIV I was told, and not even
as I can see with AT basemat.at which is your testbed I think.
I don't think the problem occurred with an AS update but rather with
a JOSM one.
I ran josm-snapshot-10693.jar and AS did run, but very badly again.
It does not draws its ways onto the building walls but around them.
However, that shows better some interested friends what they will
have when it will run superbly again.
TIA for fixing this !!!

I hope this will get you a better idea of Area Selector.
Tell us if you found a correctly working version, or better the last
one after which it broke.

Cheers



  

  André.

  



  


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Re: [OSM-co] Carlos Felipe Castillo invited you to join Verify.Wiki

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Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

[James]

I believe Bjenk was kidding when stating he'd be buying a coffee.

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 6:16 PM, john whelan  wrote:

> Both the City of Ottawa and the Canadian Federal Government have rules in
> place about bribery and corruption.  Buying a civil servant a coffee these
> days is one of the forbidden activities.  I do trust you are not suggesting
> that illegal methods were used when the data was obtained.
>
> The use of the particular data concerned was first raised by one of the
> Open Data specialists at Carlton University at a meeting between many
> parties.  Open data guy at the City of Ottawa unfortunately was not present
> but the representatives from the City of Ottawa did say it would be looked
> into.  Later I spoke to them after the meeting and they thought with the
> current climate of cooperation with different government levels there
> should not be a problem.
>
> The traditional way to gently refuse something is for it to get lost in
> the system.  I haven't seen any signs of that yet.
>
> I think things have moved forward but perhaps not at the pace everyone
> might like.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 24 Oct 2016 6:03 pm, "James"  wrote:
>
>> Bjenk(STATS Can) is communicating/pushing with the the city of Ottawa,
>> even may resolve to offering coffee bribes to be able to host the shared
>> file on open.canada.ca. He's been relentless in his effort to move the
>> project forward, but as most Canadian gouvernment entities it moves at a
>> snails pace as it is stuck in bureaucratic hell.
>>
>> On Oct 24, 2016 5:38 PM, "Stewart C. Russell"  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Christoph,
>>>
>>> > Could you please clarify what the alleged source of the building data
>>> to
>>> > be imported is?
>>>
>>> Yes, as far as I understand it, at least: these data to be imported were
>>> given to a group of OSM contributors by the City of Ottawa. They have
>>> explicit permission to include it in OSM from the City. The only place
>>> you can inspect the data is on the contributors' own hosting sites, as
>>> the city doesn't host it anywhere. Details of the licence and
>>> permissions are on the Ottawa import information page.
>>>
>>> > What is shown in
>>> >
>>> > https://gist.github.com/scruss/5a3f469c47df5d27fdba28258c273b45
>>> >
>>> > does not match geometry-wise.
>>>
>>> I know. That link was derived from the city's own topo database from
>>> 2011, which *is* published on the city's open data website. I have a
>>> feeling that the city doesn't want to give away their 2016 topo database
>>> — not realising that by allowing the 2016 building outlines to be
>>> imported into OSM, they kind of *are* giving away the current database
>>> ...
>>>
>>> The public 2011 data set is cut into 2×1 km tiles, slicing through
>>> buildings on the border. There are no common attributes which would
>>> allow repair, as the data is packaged in AutoCAD DWG files.
>>>
>>> So the options are:
>>>
>>> 1. Import from a current source that we have OSM contributors' word that
>>> was provided by the city under a permissive licence, or
>>>
>>> 2. Import from a data set that is published on the City website but is
>>> possibly outdated, is in a horrible file format, has no documentation or
>>> metadata (apart from the licence) and would need a large amount of
>>> cleanup to be remotely usable.
>>>
>>> If [2] is the only option, I have a feeling that the Canadian federal
>>> government, the City of Ottawa and Open North (the open data advocacy
>>> group providing coding and community liaison support) would be strongly
>>> disinclined to work with or support OSM again. Worst of all, the tiny
>>> Canadian OSM community might lose some very dedicated mappers if this
>>> process puts them off contributing again.
>>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

[john whelan]

Both the City of Ottawa and the Canadian Federal Government have rules in
place about bribery and corruption.  Buying a civil servant a coffee these
days is one of the forbidden activities.  I do trust you are not suggesting
that illegal methods were used when the data was obtained.

The use of the particular data concerned was first raised by one of the
Open Data specialists at Carlton University at a meeting between many
parties.  Open data guy at the City of Ottawa unfortunately was not present
but the representatives from the City of Ottawa did say it would be looked
into.  Later I spoke to them after the meeting and they thought with the
current climate of cooperation with different government levels there
should not be a problem.

The traditional way to gently refuse something is for it to get lost in the
system.  I haven't seen any signs of that yet.

I think things have moved forward but perhaps not at the pace everyone
might like.

Cheerio John

On 24 Oct 2016 6:03 pm, "James"  wrote:

> Bjenk(STATS Can) is communicating/pushing with the the city of Ottawa,
> even may resolve to offering coffee bribes to be able to host the shared
> file on open.canada.ca. He's been relentless in his effort to move the
> project forward, but as most Canadian gouvernment entities it moves at a
> snails pace as it is stuck in bureaucratic hell.
>
> On Oct 24, 2016 5:38 PM, "Stewart C. Russell"  wrote:
>
>> Hi Christoph,
>>
>> > Could you please clarify what the alleged source of the building data to
>> > be imported is?
>>
>> Yes, as far as I understand it, at least: these data to be imported were
>> given to a group of OSM contributors by the City of Ottawa. They have
>> explicit permission to include it in OSM from the City. The only place
>> you can inspect the data is on the contributors' own hosting sites, as
>> the city doesn't host it anywhere. Details of the licence and
>> permissions are on the Ottawa import information page.
>>
>> > What is shown in
>> >
>> > https://gist.github.com/scruss/5a3f469c47df5d27fdba28258c273b45
>> >
>> > does not match geometry-wise.
>>
>> I know. That link was derived from the city's own topo database from
>> 2011, which *is* published on the city's open data website. I have a
>> feeling that the city doesn't want to give away their 2016 topo database
>> — not realising that by allowing the 2016 building outlines to be
>> imported into OSM, they kind of *are* giving away the current database ...
>>
>> The public 2011 data set is cut into 2×1 km tiles, slicing through
>> buildings on the border. There are no common attributes which would
>> allow repair, as the data is packaged in AutoCAD DWG files.
>>
>> So the options are:
>>
>> 1. Import from a current source that we have OSM contributors' word that
>> was provided by the city under a permissive licence, or
>>
>> 2. Import from a data set that is published on the City website but is
>> possibly outdated, is in a horrible file format, has no documentation or
>> metadata (apart from the licence) and would need a large amount of
>> cleanup to be remotely usable.
>>
>> If [2] is the only option, I have a feeling that the Canadian federal
>> government, the City of Ottawa and Open North (the open data advocacy
>> group providing coding and community liaison support) would be strongly
>> disinclined to work with or support OSM again. Worst of all, the tiny
>> Canadian OSM community might lose some very dedicated mappers if this
>> process puts them off contributing again.
>>
>> cheers,
>>  Stewart
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Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

[James]

Bjenk(STATS Can) is communicating/pushing with the the city of Ottawa, even
may resolve to offering coffee bribes to be able to host the shared file on
open.canada.ca. He's been relentless in his effort to move the project
forward, but as most Canadian gouvernment entities it moves at a snails
pace as it is stuck in bureaucratic hell.

On Oct 24, 2016 5:38 PM, "Stewart C. Russell"  wrote:

> Hi Christoph,
>
> > Could you please clarify what the alleged source of the building data to
> > be imported is?
>
> Yes, as far as I understand it, at least: these data to be imported were
> given to a group of OSM contributors by the City of Ottawa. They have
> explicit permission to include it in OSM from the City. The only place
> you can inspect the data is on the contributors' own hosting sites, as
> the city doesn't host it anywhere. Details of the licence and
> permissions are on the Ottawa import information page.
>
> > What is shown in
> >
> > https://gist.github.com/scruss/5a3f469c47df5d27fdba28258c273b45
> >
> > does not match geometry-wise.
>
> I know. That link was derived from the city's own topo database from
> 2011, which *is* published on the city's open data website. I have a
> feeling that the city doesn't want to give away their 2016 topo database
> — not realising that by allowing the 2016 building outlines to be
> imported into OSM, they kind of *are* giving away the current database ...
>
> The public 2011 data set is cut into 2×1 km tiles, slicing through
> buildings on the border. There are no common attributes which would
> allow repair, as the data is packaged in AutoCAD DWG files.
>
> So the options are:
>
> 1. Import from a current source that we have OSM contributors' word that
> was provided by the city under a permissive licence, or
>
> 2. Import from a data set that is published on the City website but is
> possibly outdated, is in a horrible file format, has no documentation or
> metadata (apart from the licence) and would need a large amount of
> cleanup to be remotely usable.
>
> If [2] is the only option, I have a feeling that the Canadian federal
> government, the City of Ottawa and Open North (the open data advocacy
> group providing coding and community liaison support) would be strongly
> disinclined to work with or support OSM again. Worst of all, the tiny
> Canadian OSM community might lose some very dedicated mappers if this
> process puts them off contributing again.
>
> cheers,
>  Stewart
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Hunting area tagging

[Warin]

On 25-Oct-16 01:01 AM, Michał Brzozowski wrote:

I, for one, think that hunting areas don't really belong to OSM. Or at
least benefits are outweighed by problems.


OSM was initially aimed at mapping streets.
Do not limit the development of OSM in any direction! IF someone wants to give 
an indication then they should not be restrained but rather encouraged.


  Firstly they may or may not
be associated with OSM features. In the latter case, there's no
guarantee that someone who edits a forest would understand it and not
merge it with other forest (Not to mention inconsistency of treating
ponds/lakes in forests as either cutting a hole or not). Also, there
may or may not be any on-the-ground markings. If there are none, there
should be an official database to which one can refer, in which case
there's no point in duplicating it in OSM.


The same can be said for National Parks, Forests, local playgrounds, 
supermarkets ... OSM would be much less usefull without this 'duplicated data'.
Placing all this data into one open source data base makes OSM itself much more 
usefull.


The legal details vary around the world and we have seen that both
mapping legal state and implementing very elaborate tagging (here it'd
be: who, when, what, how) have not been successful.


The mapping of legal country boundaries (where not in dispute) looks good to 
me. It is certainly usable by me and therefore usefull = successful.



Not to mention any hunter who needs this data would rather go to
official sources and not trust a map that anyone can edit.


"Anyone who needs a map would rather go to an 'official source' and not trust 
OSM." Yep .. sounds good Michał.


Obviously, we map legal state sometimes (like for routing), but this
is mostly pragmatic and secondary to the feature. Here the legal state
is a feature in itself.



Could say the same for a National Park...

 My view is

1) If someone wants to map something, they can map it in OSM. That cannot be 
disputed.

2) The question then becomes .. What is the best method of mapping it? And that 
is the question this group was set up to answer.

If you disagree with 1) then your not really open source.
If you don't want to answer 2) then why are you here?


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Re: [Talk-es] Datos libres Gobierno Vasco

[Santi Aguirre]

Por lo que he visto el trazado de los cauces es parecido en ambas
versiones. A parte, cada una de las fuentes tiene sus pros y sus contras:

GOBIERNO VASCO
A favor:
- Tiene dibujadas mas cabeceras de arroyos.
- Mas variedad de nombres: en un solo arroyo puede recoger hasta tres
nombres diferentes.
- Indican la longitud del arroyo.
- Indican la cuenca a la que pertenece el río (no se si hay etiqueta para
eso en OSM).

En contra:
- Todos los nombres con mayúsculas y sin indicar si son ríos o arroyos.
- Las letras con acento desaparecen y por tanto hay nombres mal escritos.
- No he revisado todas las comarcas pero en la zona sur de Alava hay
bastantes arroyos a los que les faltan el nombre.

*Además*: dibujan los ejes de los ríos de principio a fin,
independientemente de si es un tramo subterráneo o no.


IGN
A favor:
- Nombres en minúsculas y e indicando si es río o arroyo con una salvedad:
en euskera "río" y "arroyo" van detrás del nombre y la primer letra
minúscula pero aquí la han puesto mayúscula.
- Indican si es curso intermitente o no, pero no lo considero un dato
fiable.
- Se dibujan los márgenes de muchos ríos, aunque como línea. Habría que
convertirlos en polígonos.

En contra:
- Allí donde hay dibujados márgenes no está dibujado el eje del río.
- Lo arroyos que desembocan en un río con márgenes se conectan al márgen.
- Si un tramo es subterráneo o atraviesa un pantano no está dibujado.

¿Que os parece?


El lun., 24 oct. 2016 a las 22:50, Matías h ()
escribió:

> Hola.
> Estoy de acuerdo en lo de aunar esfuerzos pero quizás no en lo de utilizar
> una sola fuente, principalmente porque alomejor  las fuentes más locales,
> entiéndase autonomías, pueden tener mejor calidad e información más valiosa
> y/o certera.
>
> Habrá que comparar, en este tema de la hidrografía, será algo fácil de
> hacer.
>
> Lo que si podemos es aprovechar princesita procesos similares,
> herramientas, etc y luego decidir que datos tienen más valor.
>
> Saludos
>
> El 24 oct. 2016 22:31, "Santi Aguirre"  escribió:
>
> Santiago, yo diría que el buen trabajo lo estás haciendo tú.
>
> Mi idea era importar los cursos de agua de Gipuzkoa pero viendo que Matías
> y tú estais trabajando en la importación de los mismos datos del IGN me he
> convencido de que es mas provechoso aunar esfuerzos y utilizar una sola
> fuente. Al menos la aprobación del Gobierno Vasco ya la tenemos para
> futuros trabajos.
>
> Un saludo
>
> El lun., 24 oct. 2016 a las 20:06, Santiago Crespo (<
> openstreet...@flanera.net>) escribió:
>
> Enhorabuena, buen trabajo.
>
> Lo ideal es una carta de autorización expresa, pero creo que con dejar
> claro que cumplimos con su cláusula de atribución y que los datos en OSM
> tienen licencia ODbL es suficiente.
>
> Y por si acaso, una vez tengas la aprobación de esta lista para la
> primera importación, yo la enviaría a imports para que la revisen también.
>
> Avisa si necesitas una mano en cualquier paso.
>
> Saludos,
> Santiago Crespo
>
> On 10/24/2016 07:46 PM, Santi Aguirre wrote:
> > Hola,
> >
> > Copiando el método de los usuarios experimentados me he permitido pedir
> > permiso al Gobierno Vasco para el uso en OSM de los datos abiertos
> > disponibles en el portal geoEuskadi [1].
> >
> > Han dado su aprobación [2] y lo he informado en la wiki de Euskadi [3].
> >
> > Antes de añadirlo a la lista de Contributors me gustaría conocer vuestra
> > opinión y así asegurarme de que todo es correcto.
> >
> > Por cierto, como podréis leer en su respuesta, están interesados en
> > utilizar la cartografía de OSM.
> >
> > Un saludo
> >
> > [1] http://www.geo.euskadi.eus/s69-15375/es/
> > [2]
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Permiso_Gobierno_Vasco.png
> > [3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Euskadi
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Re: [Talk-ca] Ottawa Buildings has the revert finished? Is it safe to add a new Internet cafe yet?

[john whelan]

Thanks John

On 24 Oct 2016 4:54 pm, "Frederik Ramm"  wrote:

> John,
>
>the bulk of the revert has run its course, I'm just sifting through
> the remaining incomplete things for a little fixup here and there. I
> think normal mapping should be safe now ;)
>
> Bye
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] TLPE et OSM : coment la publicité extérieure aide à compléter OSM !

[Paul Desgranges]

Normalement, chaque exploitant/propriétaire de dispositifs publicitaires 
doit déclarer annuellement ses dispositifs auprès de la commune ou 
l'EPCI dans lequel ils se trouvent, et la TLPE (Taxe Locale sur la 
Publicité Extérieure, taxe facultative) est calculée sur cette base 
déclarative. La déclaration doit contenir suffisamment de "choses" pour 
que le calcul de la TLPE soit possible.


Le calcul de la TLPE, est basé sur la superficie de la "partie utile" du 
dispositif publicitaire (c'est-à-dire sans le cadre ou la moulure et en 
prenant le rectangle encadrant). La TLPE et également fonction du nombre 
de faces, car la taxe s'applique par face. Si le dispositif est  
déroulant (et non pas fixe) la taxe est multiplée par le nombre 
d'affiches visibles au total. De plus un dispositif numérique est taxé 
comme trois dispositifs non-numeriques (Il y a d'autres règles, des 
exemptions, et les municipalités peuvent adapter un peu). En fonction de 
tout ceci, les communes ou EPCI calculent la taxe en prenant en compte 
les montants maximum fixés par l'Etat, en m²/an, et ceci suivant la 
taille de la commune ou l'EPCI (trois catégories : -50 000 habitants, 
entre 50 000 et 199 999 habitants, 200 000 habitants et +) et ceci par 
type de dispositifs.


Si la SOGEFI collecte pour le compte de municipalités, les données qui 
vont leur permettre d'encaisser la TLPE, il est certain que ces 
données-là aussi (superficie exacte au cm² près, nombre de faces, type 
fixe ou déroulant, numérique ou pas) sont également collectées. Est-il 
alors envisageable que ces données-là soient libérées également ?


Ces données supplémentaires sur les dispositifs publicitaires 
intéressent OSM, ceci pour qualifier complêtement les dispostifs 
publicitaires et pas simplement en faire l'inventaire. Les dispositifs 
publicitaires visibles dans l'espace public concernent tout le monde (et 
donc OSM), les citoyens qui veulent préserver la qualité de leur cadre 
de vie, les défenseurs du paysage, et aussi les citoyens qui 
souhaiteraient aller jusqu'à contrôler la perception de la TLPE...


Merci



On 24/10/2016 16:05, Philippe Verdy wrote:
Les données LTPE des 8 villes françaises sont un plus, mais demandent 
à être retravaillées comme l'indique la page. La précision "métrique" 
peut aussi être problématique dans OSM où il faudra recaler les objets 
par endroit pour qu'ils ne se retrouvent pas au milieu des polygones 
de batiments ou du mauvais côté de la route: soit c'est les données 
qui sont pas assez précises, soit c'est les autres objets OSM qui sont 
à retravailler autour pour assurer la cohérence)


En revanche, en quoi les "ressources" sont "utiles" pour nous ? Ces 
ressources ne semblent être qu'un changement de format des données OSM 
(QIS et SHP) sans apport supplémentaire (elles visiblement mises à 
jour automatiquement tous les 2-3 jours à partir d'OSM ; la page 
indique une mise à jour "quotidienne", mais ce qui est quotidien est 
peut-être l'extraction, pas la mise en ligne qui ajoute un délai, 
actuellement 48h environ).




Le 24 octobre 2016 à 10:48, PanierAvide > a écrit :


Bonjour,

Bravo pour cette démarche d'ouverture. Est-ce prévu d'étendre à
d'autres villes (Rennes par exemple) ?

Cordialement,

PanierAvide.


Le 24/10/2016 à 10:14, Pierre Touzard a écrit :

Bonjour à tous,

Ca y est, c'est "officiellement" diffusé  !

*http://www.sogefi-sig.com/ressources/*


sur la page, sélectionner l'onglet "Données OpenStreetMap TLPE"

Pierre T.



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Re: [Talk-ca] Ottawa Buildings has the revert finished? Is it safe to add a new Internet cafe yet?

[Frederik Ramm]

John,

   the bulk of the revert has run its course, I'm just sifting through
the remaining incomplete things for a little fixup here and there. I
think normal mapping should be safe now ;)

Bye
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Re: [Talk-es] Datos libres Gobierno Vasco

[Matías h]

Hola.
Estoy de acuerdo en lo de aunar esfuerzos pero quizás no en lo de utilizar
una sola fuente, principalmente porque alomejor  las fuentes más locales,
entiéndase autonomías, pueden tener mejor calidad e información más valiosa
y/o certera.

Habrá que comparar, en este tema de la hidrografía, será algo fácil de
hacer.

Lo que si podemos es aprovechar princesita procesos similares,
herramientas, etc y luego decidir que datos tienen más valor.

Saludos

El 24 oct. 2016 22:31, "Santi Aguirre"  escribió:

> Santiago, yo diría que el buen trabajo lo estás haciendo tú.
>
> Mi idea era importar los cursos de agua de Gipuzkoa pero viendo que Matías
> y tú estais trabajando en la importación de los mismos datos del IGN me he
> convencido de que es mas provechoso aunar esfuerzos y utilizar una sola
> fuente. Al menos la aprobación del Gobierno Vasco ya la tenemos para
> futuros trabajos.
>
> Un saludo
>
> El lun., 24 oct. 2016 a las 20:06, Santiago Crespo (<
> openstreet...@flanera.net>) escribió:
>
>> Enhorabuena, buen trabajo.
>>
>> Lo ideal es una carta de autorización expresa, pero creo que con dejar
>> claro que cumplimos con su cláusula de atribución y que los datos en OSM
>> tienen licencia ODbL es suficiente.
>>
>> Y por si acaso, una vez tengas la aprobación de esta lista para la
>> primera importación, yo la enviaría a imports para que la revisen también.
>>
>> Avisa si necesitas una mano en cualquier paso.
>>
>> Saludos,
>> Santiago Crespo
>>
>> On 10/24/2016 07:46 PM, Santi Aguirre wrote:
>> > Hola,
>> >
>> > Copiando el método de los usuarios experimentados me he permitido pedir
>> > permiso al Gobierno Vasco para el uso en OSM de los datos abiertos
>> > disponibles en el portal geoEuskadi [1].
>> >
>> > Han dado su aprobación [2] y lo he informado en la wiki de Euskadi [3].
>> >
>> > Antes de añadirlo a la lista de Contributors me gustaría conocer vuestra
>> > opinión y así asegurarme de que todo es correcto.
>> >
>> > Por cierto, como podréis leer en su respuesta, están interesados en
>> > utilizar la cartografía de OSM.
>> >
>> > Un saludo
>> >
>> > [1] http://www.geo.euskadi.eus/s69-15375/es/
>> > [2] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/
>> Permiso_Gobierno_Vasco.png
>> > [3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Euskadi
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Re: [Talk-es] Datos libres Gobierno Vasco

[Santi Aguirre]

Santiago, yo diría que el buen trabajo lo estás haciendo tú.

Mi idea era importar los cursos de agua de Gipuzkoa pero viendo que Matías
y tú estais trabajando en la importación de los mismos datos del IGN me he
convencido de que es mas provechoso aunar esfuerzos y utilizar una sola
fuente. Al menos la aprobación del Gobierno Vasco ya la tenemos para
futuros trabajos.

Un saludo

El lun., 24 oct. 2016 a las 20:06, Santiago Crespo (<
openstreet...@flanera.net>) escribió:

> Enhorabuena, buen trabajo.
>
> Lo ideal es una carta de autorización expresa, pero creo que con dejar
> claro que cumplimos con su cláusula de atribución y que los datos en OSM
> tienen licencia ODbL es suficiente.
>
> Y por si acaso, una vez tengas la aprobación de esta lista para la
> primera importación, yo la enviaría a imports para que la revisen también.
>
> Avisa si necesitas una mano en cualquier paso.
>
> Saludos,
> Santiago Crespo
>
> On 10/24/2016 07:46 PM, Santi Aguirre wrote:
> > Hola,
> >
> > Copiando el método de los usuarios experimentados me he permitido pedir
> > permiso al Gobierno Vasco para el uso en OSM de los datos abiertos
> > disponibles en el portal geoEuskadi [1].
> >
> > Han dado su aprobación [2] y lo he informado en la wiki de Euskadi [3].
> >
> > Antes de añadirlo a la lista de Contributors me gustaría conocer vuestra
> > opinión y así asegurarme de que todo es correcto.
> >
> > Por cierto, como podréis leer en su respuesta, están interesados en
> > utilizar la cartografía de OSM.
> >
> > Un saludo
> >
> > [1] http://www.geo.euskadi.eus/s69-15375/es/
> > [2]
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Permiso_Gobierno_Vasco.png
> > [3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Euskadi
> >
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[Talk-it] tag memorial=*

[demon.box]

a parte aver appena scoperto che esistono 2 diversi tag ufficiali ed entrambi
in uso praticamente con lo stesso significato:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:memorial

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:memorial:type

boh

fino ad oggi io ho utilizzato il primo cioè memorial per definire il tipo di
memoriale.

riferito a memorial=plaque il wiki stesso spiega che può essere fissato ad
un muro, piuttosto che ad una sasso (stone) ma mi domando se ho ad esempio
una "mattonella" di marmo fissata su un grosso masso oppure su una roccia
affiorante come faccio a definire entrambe le cose? a me è venuto in mente
di aggiungere il tag support anche se non è documentato il valore stone ne
il valore rock. cioè:

historic=memorial
memorial=plaque
support=stone oppure rock

aggiungere natural=stone oppure natural=rock sullo stesso nodo non mi sembra
corretto.

questo è un esempio:

 

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Tag pour constructeur de maisons ?

[djo_man]

  
  
à écrire ça, tu méconnais le travail
  des architectes.
  Leur travail ne s’arrête certainement pas à la production de jolis
  plans...
  Ils font presque tous de la coordination de chantier.
  C'est en général les responsables du déroulé des chantiers.
  On appelle ça "la direction de chantier" dans  le jargon des
  bâtiments publics.
  Comme tout bon maître d’œuvre qui assume son boulot...
  ça se perd, c'est vrai, dans le marché privé de la "maison" et de
  la promotion immobilière de base.
  
  djoman
  
  Le 24/10/2016 à 20:38, pepilepi...@ovh.fr a écrit :


  
  Le 24/10/2016 à 00:55, Jérôme Amagat
a écrit :
  
  

  [...]
  
  Après avoir fait ton choix tu peux aussi ajouter quelque chose
  sur la page de discussion de office= https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:office
  en expliquant un peu ce que fait cette entreprise et ton choix
  pour voir ce qu'en pense d'autres (des anglophones qui
  connaissent un peu ce type de travail).

  
  Comme ça
?
  J'ai un peu l'impression de lancer une bouteille à la mer...
  Bonne soirée,
  JP
  


  


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Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

[Jeff McKenna]

On 2016-10-24 4:08 PM, James wrote:

I've updated the file(I can't delete it without and admin)




thanks James, looks good.

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Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

[James]

I've updated the file(I can't delete it without and admin)

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Jeff McKenna  wrote:

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>> It was more to prove that the emails are Trusted sources and not made
>> up. The emails are public already in the contact section of the import
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Re: [Talk-ca] Ottawa Buildings has the revert finished? Is it safe to add a new Internet cafe yet?

[James]

Judging by
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/woodpeck_repair/history#map=10/45.2996/-75.6981
There hasn't been activity in 24hrs... Frederik Ramm said he'd update us.

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Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

[Jeff McKenna]

On 2016-10-24 3:50 PM, James wrote:

It was more to prove that the emails are Trusted sources and not made
up. The emails are public already in the contact section of the import
wiki.If I hide emails/domains then I'm obfuscating the process. These
emails are public emails @ottawa.ca  and @canada.ca
. No personal emails are visible

There are full contact info, including work phone numbers, included in 
that screenshot.  Please be careful and respect privacy, in sharing 
emails to public (and forever archived) mailing lists, where bots and 
other nasty things do live.  I am giving you my strong advice, managing 
thousands of these mailing lists for decades now; but I am not a 
'talk-ca' admin.


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[Talk-ca] Ottawa Buildings has the revert finished? Is it safe to add a new Internet cafe yet?

[john whelan]

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Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

[James]

It was more to prove that the emails are Trusted sources and not made up.
The emails are public already in the contact section of the import wiki.If
I hide emails/domains then I'm obfuscating the process. These emails are
public emails @ottawa.ca and @canada.ca. No personal emails are visible

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Jeff McKenna  wrote:

> On 2016-10-24 3:28 PM, James wrote:
>
>> I've received a forwarded email from Bjenk that may settle the debate
>> where the data originates from (I'd forward it to the list, but it would
>> be lost in the mail archive and detach the main thread(:
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:ProofOttawaStatsCan.png
>>
> Hi James, maybe upload another version of that email with those private
> email addresses removed.  Just to respect everyone's privacy (even mailing
> list archives remove all sender email addresses).  Openness is great, but
> we must be careful.
>
> -jeff
>
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Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

[Jeff McKenna]

On 2016-10-24 3:28 PM, James wrote:

I've received a forwarded email from Bjenk that may settle the debate
where the data originates from (I'd forward it to the list, but it would
be lost in the mail archive and detach the main thread(:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:ProofOttawaStatsCan.png
Hi James, maybe upload another version of that email with those private 
email addresses removed.  Just to respect everyone's privacy (even 
mailing list archives remove all sender email addresses).  Openness is 
great, but we must be careful.


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Tag pour constructeur de maisons ?

[pepilepi...@ovh.fr]

  
  
Le 24/10/2016 à 00:55, Jérôme Amagat a
  écrit :


  
[...]

Après avoir fait ton choix tu peux aussi ajouter quelque chose
sur la page de discussion de office= https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:office
en expliquant un peu ce que fait cette entreprise et ton choix
pour voir ce qu'en pense d'autres (des anglophones qui
connaissent un peu ce type de travail).
  

Comme ça
  ?
J'ai un peu l'impression de lancer une bouteille à la mer...
Bonne soirée,
JP


  
  
  
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Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

[James]

You asked:
Could you please clarify what the alleged source of the building data to
be imported is?

I clarified. I did not change the subject. The source of the data is the
city of Ottawa

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Christoph Hormann 
wrote:

> On Monday 24 October 2016, James wrote:
> > As stated, multiple times on this list already: the city of Ottawa
> > gave data to Statistics Canada. Statistics Canada gave us (amazon
> > cloud link) data, which is just building outlines.
>
> Please don't change the subject, Stewart asked
>
> > are people generally happy with the provenance of the data now?
>
> indicating there is new information on this available now.  If not we
> are still at what i said earlier:
>
> > Well - without context on specifications and origin of the data i
> > cannot properly assess the import plans for it.  We do not even know
> > when this data was surveyed.
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Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

[James]

As for general availability of the files I have this email chain(which was
documented that there was bureaucracy behind the scenes):


*From:* Perkins, Stephen M [mailto:stephen.perk...@ottawa.ca]
*Sent:* July-26-16 4:15 PM
*To:* Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) 
*Cc:* Cross, Ian 
*Subject:* RE: Open Canada



So long as it can be noted that the City of Ottawa does not intend to keep
this information up-to-date, I don’t see why not.

*-Stephen*



*From:* Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) [mailto:bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca
]
*Sent:* 26 July, 2016 9:30 AM
*To:* Cross, Ian; Perkins, Stephen M
*Subject:* Open Canada



Hello,



I want to thank you for sharing the data on urban buildings. I am looking
into getting this file into the hands of OSM Canada and I am considering
the open.canada.ca portal.



Are you comfortable with that approach?



Kind regards,



Bjenk Ellefsen, PhD



Data Exploration and Integration Lab (DEIL) | Lab pour l’exploration et
l’intégration de données (LEID)

Center for Special Business Projects | Centre des Projets Spéciaux sur les
entreprises

Statistics Canada | Statistique Canada

(343) 998-3004







This e-mail originates from the City of Ottawa e-mail system. Any
distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains
by other than the intended recipient(s) is unauthorized. Thank you.
Le présent courriel a été expédié par le système de courriels de la Ville
d'Ottawa. Toute distribution, utilisation ou reproduction du courriel ou
des renseignements qui s'y trouvent par une personne autre que son
destinataire prévu est interdite. Je vous remercie de votre collaboration.



*From:* Cross, Ian [mailto:ian.cr...@ottawa.ca]
*Sent:* July-26-16 11:13 AM
*To:* Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) ; Perkins,
Stephen M 
*Subject:* RE: Open Canada



Hi Bjenk,

I have no problem with that.



Ian


On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:28 PM, James  wrote:

> I've received a forwarded email from Bjenk that may settle the debate
> where the data originates from (I'd forward it to the list, but it would be
> lost in the mail archive and detach the main thread(:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:ProofOttawaStatsCan.png
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:13 PM, James  wrote:
>
>> As stated, multiple times on this list already: the city of Ottawa gave
>> data to Statistics Canada. Statistics Canada gave us (amazon cloud link)
>> data, which is just building outlines.
>>
>> In case you are in doubt this project is actually happening or not (and I
>> am just making the whole thing up):
>> http://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/crowdsourcing
>> on facebook(https://www.facebook.com/StatisticsCanada):
>> https://www.facebook.com/StatisticsCanada/photos/a.168165143
>> 295004.32908.125909694187216/996642833780560/?type=3
>> https://www.facebook.com/StatisticsCanada/photos/a.168165143
>> 295004.32908.125909694187216/995955653849278/?type=3
>> https://www.facebook.com/StatisticsCanada/photos/a.168165143
>> 295004.32908.125909694187216/994856040625906/?type=3
>>
>> As well as Bjenk(current project lead on this) posting on the mailing
>> list back in july:
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ca/2016-July/007034.html
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Christoph Hormann 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday 24 October 2016, Stewart C. Russell wrote:
>>> >
>>> > The new data is pretty close, though. Anyone need a
>>> > demo/writeup/picture, or are people generally happy with the
>>> > provenance of the data now?
>>>
>>> Could you please clarify what the alleged source of the building data to
>>> be imported is?
>>>
>>> What is shown in
>>>
>>> https://gist.github.com/scruss/5a3f469c47df5d27fdba28258c273b45
>>>
>>> does not match geometry-wise.
>>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

[Denis Carriere]

Christoph,

At the moment the Ottawa building footprint dataset is not on any official
portal other then being shared on a public Amazon S3 Bucket.

You can download the file here:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/statscan/ottawa-buildings.geojson

The data doesn't contain any specific tags, only the following:

*source: *City of Ottawa
*building: *yes


Cheers,




*~~*
*Denis Carriere*
*GIS Software & Systems Specialist*

*Twitter: @DenisCarriere *
*OSM: DenisCarriere *
GitHub: DenisCarriere 
Email: carriere.de...@gmail.com

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:13 PM, James  wrote:

> As stated, multiple times on this list already: the city of Ottawa gave
> data to Statistics Canada. Statistics Canada gave us (amazon cloud link)
> data, which is just building outlines.
>
> In case you are in doubt this project is actually happening or not (and I
> am just making the whole thing up):
> http://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/crowdsourcing
> on facebook(https://www.facebook.com/StatisticsCanada):
> https://www.facebook.com/StatisticsCanada/photos/a.168165143295004.32908.
> 125909694187216/996642833780560/?type=3
> https://www.facebook.com/StatisticsCanada/photos/a.168165143295004.32908.
> 125909694187216/995955653849278/?type=3
> https://www.facebook.com/StatisticsCanada/photos/a.168165143295004.32908.
> 125909694187216/994856040625906/?type=3
>
> As well as Bjenk(current project lead on this) posting on the mailing list
> back in july:
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ca/2016-July/007034.html
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Christoph Hormann 
> wrote:
>
>> On Monday 24 October 2016, Stewart C. Russell wrote:
>> >
>> > The new data is pretty close, though. Anyone need a
>> > demo/writeup/picture, or are people generally happy with the
>> > provenance of the data now?
>>
>> Could you please clarify what the alleged source of the building data to
>> be imported is?
>>
>> What is shown in
>>
>> https://gist.github.com/scruss/5a3f469c47df5d27fdba28258c273b45
>>
>> does not match geometry-wise.
>>
>> --
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>> http://www.imagico.de/
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Appli mobile pour mapper les arrêts de bus

[Noémie Lehuby]

Bonjour,

Pour cartographier les arrêts de bus (qui sont l'un de mes TOCs), je me 
suis faite une petite webapp. Elle est accessible à cette adresse : 
https://microcosm.5apps.com/poi.html?poi_type=bus_stop#18/48.84885/2.37222 
  All bugs included !


Elle permet de modifier le nom des arrêts existants, et d'y indiquer les 
lignes de bus qui y passent (en idf uniquement)
On ne peut enrichir que des lignes où la relation route existe déjà dans 
OSM et est pas trop mal renseignée (pour la retrouver dans 
l'auto-complétion, il faut que network, ref et to soient renseignés)
Lorsqu'on ajoute la ligne sur un arrêt dans l'appli, ça ajoute le nœud 
comme dernier élément de la relation, avec un rôle fixme.
Reste encore à repasser dessus chez soi pour remettre de l'ordre dans la 
relation.


Ça ne permet pas de créer les arrêts de bus manquants, j'utilise Maps.me 
pour cela.
Je pense d'ailleurs que Maps.me est un bon candidat pour la maman de 
Florian :p
Je leur ai déjà fait une issue github sur l'amélioration du rendu des 
arrêts de bus : https://github.com/mapsme/omim/issues/1067



L'appli est plutôt destinée à cartographier dans le bus ou à pied en se 
promenant ?
Si c'est dans le bus, c'est une contrainte à ne pas minimiser : c'est 
assez difficile de bien cartographier en prenant le bus, il y a peu de 
temps et beaucoup de choses à regarder.
Quelque soit l'outil que j'utilise (OSM Tracker, Maps.me ou MicrocOSM), 
j'ai rarement le temps de noter toutes les infos d'un arrêt avant que le 
bus ne reparte.



C'est un beau challenge en tout cas, je suis curieuse de voir si on peut 
tenir les objectifs proposés ;)


Noémie
@nlehuby


Le 2016-10-23 23:42, talk-fr-requ...@openstreetmap.org a écrit :

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Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 23:41:47 +0200
From: Jo 
To: Philippe Verdy 
Cc: Discussions sur OSM en français  
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Appli mobile pour mapper les arrêts de bus
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Ici, les highway=bus_stop sont ceux qui reçoivent 
public_transport=platform

et ce ne sont que ceux qui ont les détails, name, ref, route_ref, zone.
Entretemps il est vrai que ceux-là sont devenus

ref:De_Lijn
ref:TEC
route_ref:De_Lijn
route_ref:TEC

Le même pour les tags zone. Pour les arrêts du STIB/MIVB à Bruxelles, 
ref

et route_ref sont suffisant.

Il est vrai que ref:BE:De_Lijn aurait p-ê été mieux encore.

De toute façon les informations de De Lijn et TEC viennent des 
operateurs
eux-mêmes. Donc ces route_ref-là sont 'calculés'. Le STIB/MIVB a choisi 
de
ne pas partager leurs données. Ils ne sont même pas capables de 
repondre

aux courriers. Their loss. Le réseau n'est pas si grand que ça.

Jo

2016-10-23 20:09 GMT+02:00 Philippe Verdy :

Je ne suis pas sûr que ce soit utile, sauf dans le cadre d'un survey 
de

terrain où on ne voit que les arrêts mais pas exactement les lignes
suivies. De plus tous les numéros ne sont pas forcément affichés (il y 
a

des lignes rurales qui passent devant et où l'arrêt est possible à la
demande en faisant signe au chauffeur ou en lui demandant une 
descente, on

ne voit qu'un poteau ou un bateau mais aucun indicateur des lignes
possibles).

Je pense que pour les lignes de transport publiques il vaut mieux se 
fier

aux informations données par les exploitants de réseaux ou les
collectivités (mais là encore les données peuvent être parcellaires,
notamment pour les fiches horaires affichées, qui ne mentionnent pas
toujours tous les arrêts "mineurs" ou pas les horaires précis pour 
chacun

des arrêts précédents et suivants.

Même quand ces arrêts sont listés sur les fiches horaires, ils ne sont 
pas

toujours affichés pour toutes les lignes sur le terrain. Bref le
"route_ref" risque d'être incomplet... Surtout pour les variantes 
d'une
ligne ou les lignes partiellement partagées (deux numéros de lignes 
pour le
même bus: c'est le bus qui indique le numéro et sa destination, il 
peut sur
un segment servir à plusieurs réseaux, par exemple un réseau local et 
un
réseau régional, et aussi assurer un trafic commercial au delà hors 
des
réseaux publics sous un numéro supplémentaire propre à l'exploitant, 
ou
passer d'un réseau public à un autre sur son parcours).. C'est peu 
courant
pour les bus urbains des grandes villes, mais plus courant pour les 
cars
qui desservent depuis une plus grande ville des zones rurales qui sont 
hors

de la compétence de la grande ville (ou intercommunalité).

Si tu fais ça, ce que tu vas taguer ce sont les "platform" (ou 
"bus_stop"
de l'ancien schéma), mais pas les "stop" ("stop_position") du schéma 
v2 qui
nécessitent une connaissance des parcours pour les mettre précisément 
sur

les chemins.

Malheureusement les anciens objets "bus_stop" sont souvent posés sur 
un
chemin, donc sans 

[Talk-es] Lugares de culto de Madrid

[Santiago Crespo]

Hola,

Estoy preparando la importación manual de los lugares de culto de
Madrid. El Ayto. los ha separado en 2 conjuntos de datos: templos
católicos y templos no-católicos.

En los no-católicos, he añadido las etiquetas "religion" y
"denomination" basándome en el nombre.

Aquí hay más detalles de la importación (en inglés):

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Madrid_Places_of_Worship_Import

Si queréis echar un ojo al archivo procesado (no subir a OSM)

http://flanera.net/Lugares_de_culto_de_Madrid.osm

Los pasos que propongo seguir en el gestor de tareas:

* Abre JOSM y pulsa en este enlace (carga los lugares de culto de la
zona en JOSM)

* En JOSM, selecciona todos los elementos a revisar y añádelos al ToDo
pulsando el botón "+ Añadir".

* Haz click en el botón "Zoom" y esto te llevará al primer nodo. Por
cada nodo:

* Descarga los datos de OSM

* Copia el nombre de calle como aparece en OSM y pégalo en addr:street

* Si es un lugar de culto nuevo, corrige la posición y determina si el
edificio es un templo o no usando la ortofoto del PNOA y Bing. Si el
edificio no es un templo, quita la etiqueta building=temple.

* Si ya existe en OSM: compara los valores de las etiquetas nuevas con
las que ya hay. En caso de conflicto, no cambies datos existentes en OSM
sin verificarlos antes sobre el terreno. Selecciona todas las etiquetas
que quieras copiar excepto source y source:date y cópialas con Ctrl-C.
Selecciona el nodo o área existente y pégalas con Ctrl-V. Borra el nodo
suelto. Añade las etiquetas source específicas que sean necesarias
dependiendo de la información que importes.

* Pulsa el botón "Mark" y pasa al siguiente nodo.

* Una vez termines con todos, súbelos a OSM usando las etiquetas para el
conjunto de cambios que se especifican a continuación.

* Al terminar una zona, pulsa el botón "Marcar la tarea como hecha".

Saludos,
Santiago Crespo

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Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Hunting area tagging

[yvecai]

Michal,
You're half right IMO. I don't see such problems if
1) tagging is made by hunters
2) mapping is made by hunters

Yves

On 24.10.2016 16:01, Michał Brzozowski wrote:

I, for one, think that hunting areas don't really belong to OSM. Or at
least benefits are outweighed by problems. Firstly they may or may not
be associated with OSM features. In the latter case, there's no
guarantee that someone who edits a forest would understand it and not
merge it with other forest (Not to mention inconsistency of treating
ponds/lakes in forests as either cutting a hole or not). Also, there
may or may not be any on-the-ground markings. If there are none, there
should be an official database to which one can refer, in which case
there's no point in duplicating it in OSM.
The legal details vary around the world and we have seen that both
mapping legal state and implementing very elaborate tagging (here it'd
be: who, when, what, how) have not been successful.
Not to mention any hunter who needs this data would rather go to
official sources and not trust a map that anyone can edit.
Obviously, we map legal state sometimes (like for routing), but this
is mostly pragmatic and secondary to the feature. Here the legal state
is a feature in itself.

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Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

[James]

As stated, multiple times on this list already: the city of Ottawa gave
data to Statistics Canada. Statistics Canada gave us (amazon cloud link)
data, which is just building outlines.

In case you are in doubt this project is actually happening or not (and I
am just making the whole thing up):
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/crowdsourcing
on facebook(https://www.facebook.com/StatisticsCanada):
https://www.facebook.com/StatisticsCanada/photos/a.168165143295004.32908.125909694187216/996642833780560/?type=3
https://www.facebook.com/StatisticsCanada/photos/a.168165143295004.32908.125909694187216/995955653849278/?type=3
https://www.facebook.com/StatisticsCanada/photos/a.168165143295004.32908.125909694187216/994856040625906/?type=3

As well as Bjenk(current project lead on this) posting on the mailing list
back in july:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ca/2016-July/007034.html


On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Christoph Hormann 
wrote:

> On Monday 24 October 2016, Stewart C. Russell wrote:
> >
> > The new data is pretty close, though. Anyone need a
> > demo/writeup/picture, or are people generally happy with the
> > provenance of the data now?
>
> Could you please clarify what the alleged source of the building data to
> be imported is?
>
> What is shown in
>
> https://gist.github.com/scruss/5a3f469c47df5d27fdba28258c273b45
>
> does not match geometry-wise.
>
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Re: [Talk-es] Datos libres Gobierno Vasco

[Santiago Crespo]

Enhorabuena, buen trabajo.

Lo ideal es una carta de autorización expresa, pero creo que con dejar
claro que cumplimos con su cláusula de atribución y que los datos en OSM
tienen licencia ODbL es suficiente.

Y por si acaso, una vez tengas la aprobación de esta lista para la
primera importación, yo la enviaría a imports para que la revisen también.

Avisa si necesitas una mano en cualquier paso.

Saludos,
Santiago Crespo

On 10/24/2016 07:46 PM, Santi Aguirre wrote:
> Hola,
> 
> Copiando el método de los usuarios experimentados me he permitido pedir
> permiso al Gobierno Vasco para el uso en OSM de los datos abiertos
> disponibles en el portal geoEuskadi [1].
> 
> Han dado su aprobación [2] y lo he informado en la wiki de Euskadi [3].
> 
> Antes de añadirlo a la lista de Contributors me gustaría conocer vuestra
> opinión y así asegurarme de que todo es correcto.
> 
> Por cierto, como podréis leer en su respuesta, están interesados en
> utilizar la cartografía de OSM.
> 
> Un saludo
> 
> [1] http://www.geo.euskadi.eus/s69-15375/es/
> [2] 
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Permiso_Gobierno_Vasco.png
> [3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Euskadi
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[Talk-es] Datos libres Gobierno Vasco

[Santi Aguirre]

Hola,

Copiando el método de los usuarios experimentados me he permitido pedir
permiso al Gobierno Vasco para el uso en OSM de los datos abiertos
disponibles en el portal geoEuskadi [1].

Han dado su aprobación [2] y lo he informado en la wiki de Euskadi [3].

Antes de añadirlo a la lista de Contributors me gustaría conocer vuestra
opinión y así asegurarme de que todo es correcto.

Por cierto, como podréis leer en su respuesta, están interesados en
utilizar la cartografía de OSM.

Un saludo

[1] http://www.geo.euskadi.eus/s69-15375/es/
[2]
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Permiso_Gobierno_Vasco.png
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Re: [Talk-ht] Retounen nan Ayiti

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welcome Severin,
   Mwen kontan li mesaj s malgre mwen te deja
okouran de prezans ou sou Ayiti...
Mwen espere ke tout kontribite OSM pral mete tet ansanm pou pwofite de
fomasyon Severin pote pou nou ki pral grandi nou teknikman nan OSM ak lot
aktivite ki konekte ak katografi epi kolek done rapid epi pi fasil

yon lot fwa anko mwen vle motive tout jen Ayisyen pou mete tet ansanm...


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> Bonjou tout moun,
>
> Mesaj sa a pou anonse nou mwen antre nan Ayiti pou twa semèn kòm volontè
> OSM. Mwen vle vizite tout kominotè OSM Ayiti ki vle patisipe nan katografi
> a distans ak teren tou pou repons siklòn Mathieu. Map fè fomasyon sou
> katografi kriz ak nouvèl teknik yo (foto, smartphone, ODK, etc.) ak
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>
> Wè nou talè !
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Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

[James]

Seems like they may have dumped it on their servers to the public:
http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/cad-topographic-data
This would explain why some buildings are outdated:


*Update Frequency: Never*as compared to:
http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/addresspoints

*Update Frequency: Weekly*

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Stewart C. Russell 
wrote:

> On 2016-10-24 08:04 AM, James wrote:
> > I've updated the documentation and incorporated Scruss's findings on the
> > build source data:
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Ontario:
> Ottawa/Import/TopographicMap
>
> Cool! I was hoping to be able to show that the geojson data that you
> were given exactly matches that on the City of Ottawa website, and in
> doing so help out by saying
>
> If James's data* == City of Ottawa public data,
> then it clears up the data availability issue
>
> … but it doesn't exactly match. The city's AutoCAD data looks older, as
> it has the odd building and feature missing.
>
> The new data is pretty close, though. Anyone need a
> demo/writeup/picture, or are people generally happy with the provenance
> of the data now?
>
> cheers,
>  Stewart
>
> *: yes, I know it's not James's data, but it's a lot shorter than typing
> in the source and history.
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Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

[Stewart C. Russell]

On 2016-10-24 08:04 AM, James wrote:
> I've updated the documentation and incorporated Scruss's findings on the
> build source data:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Ontario:Ottawa/Import/TopographicMap

Cool! I was hoping to be able to show that the geojson data that you
were given exactly matches that on the City of Ottawa website, and in
doing so help out by saying

If James's data* == City of Ottawa public data,
then it clears up the data availability issue

… but it doesn't exactly match. The city's AutoCAD data looks older, as
it has the odd building and feature missing.

The new data is pretty close, though. Anyone need a
demo/writeup/picture, or are people generally happy with the provenance
of the data now?

cheers,
 Stewart

*: yes, I know it's not James's data, but it's a lot shorter than typing
in the source and history.


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Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

[James]

So to obtain all data for building outlines(from source) (from what scruss
has provided) we would need to convert all tiles of the building outline
and join them together as it clips on edge of tile:
http://i66.tinypic.com/2i1ffpx.png
As for additional information from the DWG I have not see any except if you
assume(may be inaccurate) certain attributes based on the layer (i.e. house
layer = building=house) instead of using the more generic value of
building=yes.

I do not see any advantages working from the source file over the geojson
linked in this discussion

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 8:04 AM, James  wrote:

> I've updated the documentation and incorporated Scruss's findings on the
> build source data:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Ontario:
> Ottawa/Import/TopographicMap
>
> On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 5:58 PM, Begin Daniel  wrote:
>
>> Well, only very large buildings can be found as polygons in the Canvec
>> product.
>>
>> Furthermore, NRCan did not update the Canvec buildings layer for more
>> than 20 years (the oldest is 1944), with only a few exceptions…
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* James [mailto:james2...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 22 October, 2016 10:54
>> *To:* Stewart C. Russell
>> *Cc:* Talk-CA OpenStreetMap
>> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses
>> [Statistics Canada project]
>>
>>
>>
>> http://ftp.geogratis.gc.ca/pub/nrcan_rncan/vector/canvec/shp/ManMade/
>>
>> 50K man made just seems to be nodes of where buildings are located,
>> instead of outlines.
>>
>> Judging by :
>> http://atlas.gc.ca/toporama/en/index.html
>>
>> They have a few buildings in CanVEC, but not all of them. Seems like
>> massive buildings like schools and malls, residential buildings are out.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Stewart C. Russell 
>> wrote:
>>
>> On 2016-10-21 11:41 PM, James wrote:
>> > Sounds like it, but the data handed to us didnt have sidewalks and
>> > roads, driveways etc. Ottawa may have exported data from this file
>>
>> Yes, for sure.
>>
>> I've now had more of a chance to look at the data (thanks, Ottawa, for
>> providing no docs at all ...). I'm pretty sure that the data at
>> http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/cad-topographic-data is the source of what
>> the Ottawa group were given.
>>
>> In the 31 gigabytes of converted files, about 8-10 of the 177 total
>> layers might be of interest. But:
>>
>> * The files are in some kind of MTM projection, but I don't know the
>> datum. Some munis still love their NAD27, so getting this right is
>> crucial.
>>
>> * These were digitized 2010-2011 at the latest. Since municipalities
>> share data with NRCan, aren't these outlines already available in a
>> recent iteration of CanVec in a much more useful (i.e., anything but
>> DWG) format?
>>
>> My notes on the files, so far:
>> https://gist.github.com/scruss/e7f85da2e7943cb1a1d13772fbe14
>> 4d3#file-ottawabfomapdata-md
>>
>> (feel free to use/modify/etc)
>>
>> If anyone wants 31 GB of converted DXFs, let me know. It took Teigha
>> several hours on a quad core with SSDs to convert this, so I'm not going
>> to delete it lightly.
>>
>> cheers,
>>  Stewart
>>
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Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: Re: Mancata attribuzione: il Festival della Scienza ci ricasca a metà

[Andrea Solari]

Il 24/10/2016 18:18, Federico Cortese ha scritto:
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 6:12 PM, Andrea Solari  wrote:
>>
>> nel file pdf del programma scaricabile qui
>> http://www.festivalscienza.it/site/home/programma.html
>>
>> alla pagina 60 nella mappa in fondo a sx appare openstreetmap
>> contributors www.openstreetmap.org/copyright
>>
> Si infatti nella sua prima email Alessandro ha specificato che il
> problema non è il programma, ma i cartelloni grandi dove
> l'attribuzione manca amcora.

Era per chiarezza. Almeno il programma in pdf è ok


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Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: Re: Mancata attribuzione: il Festival della Scienza ci ricasca a metà

[Alessandro Palmas]

Il 24/10/2016 18:12, Andrea Solari ha scritto:



nel file pdf del programma scaricabile qui
http://www.festivalscienza.it/site/home/programma.html

alla pagina 60 nella mappa in fondo a sx appare openstreetmap
contributors www.openstreetmap.org/copyright




Ciao Andrea,
sugli stampati è ok.
Il problema sono le mappe giganti poste in città


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Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: Re: Mancata attribuzione: il Festival della Scienza ci ricasca a metà

[Alessandro Palmas]

Il 24/10/2016 18:12, Andrea Solari ha scritto:



nel file pdf del programma scaricabile qui
http://www.festivalscienza.it/site/home/programma.html

alla pagina 60 nella mappa in fondo a sx appare openstreetmap
contributors www.openstreetmap.org/copyright




Ciao Andrea,
sugli stampati è ok.
Il problema sono le mappe giganti poste in città

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Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: Re: Mancata attribuzione: il Festival della Scienza ci ricasca a metà

[Federico Cortese]

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 6:12 PM, Andrea Solari  wrote:
>
> nel file pdf del programma scaricabile qui
> http://www.festivalscienza.it/site/home/programma.html
>
> alla pagina 60 nella mappa in fondo a sx appare openstreetmap
> contributors www.openstreetmap.org/copyright
>
Si infatti nella sua prima email Alessandro ha specificato che il
problema non è il programma, ma i cartelloni grandi dove
l'attribuzione manca amcora.
Ciao
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Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: Re: Mancata attribuzione: il Festival della Scienza ci ricasca a metà

[Andrea Solari]

Il 24/10/2016 17:24, Alessandro ha scritto:
> Il 24/10/2016 16:28, Luca Delucchi ha scritto:
>> 2016-10-24 15:58 GMT+02:00 Alessandro Palmas
>> :
> 
>>
>> belin quest'anno non riesco a attaccare adesivi sui cartelloni
>>
>>> Ora vedremo di passare anche ad avvertimenti ufficiali.
>>>
>>
>> e sarebbe anche il caso che facessero una bella donazione

nel file pdf del programma scaricabile qui
http://www.festivalscienza.it/site/home/programma.html

alla pagina 60 nella mappa in fondo a sx appare openstreetmap
contributors www.openstreetmap.org/copyright

ciao
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Re: [OSM-ja] 10/29(土) 「近江八幡漫遊マップづくり」開催

[K.Sakanoshita]

堀田さん

坂ノ下@LILOです。

転送ありがとうございます。また機会があればよろしくお願いします。

それでは。

On 2016年10月24日 06:48, HOTTA Sadamichi wrote:

堀田　貞通@滋賀LUGです。

せっかくの地元開催ですので滋賀LUG-Mlに[shigalug-ml 003650]にて転送しました。
私は仕事の都合上参加できませんが。



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Re: [Talk-ca] Open data in Canada

[Alan Richards]

I've previously documented the Lower Mainland ones here as well:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:British_Columbia:Vancouver#GIS_sources_by_city
Maybe some of this should be moved to your table.
Note the OGL-BC which many of these cities are based on seems to have some
potential problems with the license that may have to be worked out before
use.

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 8:32 AM, James  wrote:

> I've been looking for open data portals for potential future import into
> OpenStreetMap(why duplicate efforts right?)
>
> I've documented the one's I've found here:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada#Open_Data
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[Talk-ca] Open data in Canada

[James]

I've been looking for open data portals for potential future import into
OpenStreetMap(why duplicate efforts right?)

I've documented the one's I've found here:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada#Open_Data
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Re: [Talk-it] landuse=meadow o natural=fell

[pietro marzani]

Il Lunedì 24 Ottobre 2016 16:06, demon.box  ha scritto:


>cioè, per esempio (sparo una ipotesi) da quota 1600m in su è sempre
>natural=fell e al di sotto invece è landuse=meadow

>che dite? come vi regolate voi?


In linea di massimo metto meadow se è un terreno coltivato ad erba che è 
circondato
da bosco o altri campi e fell quando invece l'area raggiunge il crinale della
montagna oltre il limite della vegetazione.
Ciao
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Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: Re: Mancata attribuzione: il Festival della Scienza ci ricasca a metà

[Alessandro]

Il 24/10/2016 16:28, Luca Delucchi ha scritto:

2016-10-24 15:58 GMT+02:00 Alessandro Palmas :




belin quest'anno non riesco a attaccare adesivi sui cartelloni


Ora vedremo di passare anche ad avvertimenti ufficiali.



e sarebbe anche il caso che facessero una bella donazione



Forse Stefano ha alcuni adesivi.

Ho inviato la mail di richiesta d'attribuzione in termini leggermente 
meno rilassati della comunicazione standard facendo notare che è il 
terzo anno di fila che accade, e soprattutto che l'anno scorso promisero 
di non ricascarci.


Nei prossimi giorni vediamo come muoverci. Intanto chiedevo alla 
comunità di smuovere un pò di social per creare attenzione mediatica 
alla cosa.


Tra l'altro venerdì pomeriggio Piero Boccardo, professore del POLITO e 
direttore di Ithaca parlerà anche di OSM.


Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT




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Re: [Talk-cz] Francois555 ... ???

[Matěj Cepl]

On 2016-10-24, 10:04 GMT, Marián Kyral wrote:
> Proč se ho nezeptáš pod nějakým changesetem? Pochybuji, že čte @talk-cz.

Zeptám, máš pravdu.

> A nevím, čemu říkáš tuny. Moc toho není. Nevím jak moc přesné ty informace 
> jsou v porovnáním se skutečností, ale dle jeho historie editací bych to 
> viděl, že v Praze asi byl a tyhle informace si poznamenal. Možná v Osmand. 
> Protože tam nemá moc podrobností.

No, 17 changesetů velikosti 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/43109441 je dost 
neobvyklá velikost. A je pravda, že jsou většinou dost stručné.

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Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: Re: Mancata attribuzione: il Festival della Scienza ci ricasca a metà

[Luca Delucchi]

2016-10-24 15:58 GMT+02:00 Alessandro Palmas :
>
> Cara comunità, che ne direste di mandare qualche tweet di protesta? Mi
> raccomando rimanete nella civiltà ed educazione ma vediamo di far sapere in
> giro che non possono continuare a prenderci per il naso.
>

belin quest'anno non riesco a attaccare adesivi sui cartelloni

> Ora vedremo di passare anche ad avvertimenti ufficiali.
>

e sarebbe anche il caso che facessero una bella donazione

> Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] TLPE et OSM : coment la publicité extérieure aide à compléter OSM !

[Philippe Verdy]

Les données LTPE des 8 villes françaises sont un plus, mais demandent à
être retravaillées comme l'indique la page. La précision "métrique" peut
aussi être problématique dans OSM où il faudra recaler les objets par
endroit pour qu'ils ne se retrouvent pas au milieu des polygones de
batiments ou du mauvais côté de la route: soit c'est les données qui sont
pas assez précises, soit c'est les autres objets OSM qui sont à
retravailler autour pour assurer la cohérence)

En revanche, en quoi les "ressources" sont "utiles" pour nous ? Ces
ressources ne semblent être qu'un changement de format des données OSM (QIS
et SHP) sans apport supplémentaire (elles visiblement mises à jour
automatiquement tous les 2-3 jours à partir d'OSM ; la page indique une
mise à jour "quotidienne", mais ce qui est quotidien est peut-être
l'extraction, pas la mise en ligne qui ajoute un délai, actuellement 48h
environ).



Le 24 octobre 2016 à 10:48, PanierAvide  a écrit :

> Bonjour,
>
> Bravo pour cette démarche d'ouverture. Est-ce prévu d'étendre à d'autres
> villes (Rennes par exemple) ?
>
> Cordialement,
>
> PanierAvide.
>
>
> Le 24/10/2016 à 10:14, Pierre Touzard a écrit :
>
>> Bonjour à tous,
>>
>> Ca y est, c'est "officiellement" diffusé  !
>>
>> *http://www.sogefi-sig.com/ressources/*
>>
>> sur la page, sélectionner l'onglet "Données OpenStreetMap TLPE"
>>
>> Pierre T.
>>
>>
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[Talk-it] landuse=meadow o natural=fell

[demon.box]

come da oggetto mi ritrovo nell'indecisione sull'utilizzo dei 2 tag:

landuse=meadow oppure natural=fell

a quote basse ci sta sicuramente landuse=meadow ma a quote più alte dove in
pratica non crescono alberi e piante ma c'è solo erba, va bene natural=fell

la mia domanda però è (e la rivolgo anche a chi dal punto di vista di
conoscenza della flora alpina ne sa di più di me) da che quota in poi
secondo voi va utilizzato natural=fell anzichè landuse=meadow?

cioè, per esempio (sparo una ipotesi) da quota 1600m in su è sempre
natural=fell e al di sotto invece è landuse=meadow

che dite? come vi regolate voi?

grazie.
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Hunting area tagging

[Michał Brzozowski]

I, for one, think that hunting areas don't really belong to OSM. Or at
least benefits are outweighed by problems. Firstly they may or may not
be associated with OSM features. In the latter case, there's no
guarantee that someone who edits a forest would understand it and not
merge it with other forest (Not to mention inconsistency of treating
ponds/lakes in forests as either cutting a hole or not). Also, there
may or may not be any on-the-ground markings. If there are none, there
should be an official database to which one can refer, in which case
there's no point in duplicating it in OSM.
The legal details vary around the world and we have seen that both
mapping legal state and implementing very elaborate tagging (here it'd
be: who, when, what, how) have not been successful.
Not to mention any hunter who needs this data would rather go to
official sources and not trust a map that anyone can edit.
Obviously, we map legal state sometimes (like for routing), but this
is mostly pragmatic and secondary to the feature. Here the legal state
is a feature in itself.

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[Talk-it] Fwd: Re: Mancata attribuzione: il Festival della Scienza ci ricasca a metà

[Alessandro Palmas]

Ahimè, per il TERZO anno consecutivo, il Festival della Scienza inonda 
Genova di queste mappe di circa 1 metro per 1 metro e non le attribuisce.
L'anno scorso si erano scusati e almeno avevano attribuito le mappe nel 
programma cartaceo. Quest'anno le mappe nel programma sono sempre OK ma 
quelle grosse non hanno alcuna attribuzione come potete vedere da questa 
foto scattata poco fa da Sabas

https://twitter.com/Ale_Zena_IT/status/790548176017223680

Cara comunità, che ne direste di mandare qualche tweet di protesta? Mi 
raccomando rimanete nella civiltà ed educazione ma vediamo di far sapere 
in giro che non possono continuare a prenderci per il naso.


Ora vedremo di passare anche ad avvertimenti ufficiali.

Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT


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Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] Mancata attribuzione: il Festival della Scienza 
ci ricasca a metà (e si scusa)

Data: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 08:14:06 +0100
Mittente: Luca Delucchi 
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2015-10-25 14:31 GMT+01:00 Alessandro :

Anche quest'anno eravamo al Linux Day per parlare di OSM e nuovamente ho
trovato la mappa del Festival della Scienza senza attribuzione.
Quest'anno ci sono cascati a metà, nel senso che sui depliant cartacei (dopo
la cazziata dell'anno scorso) era correttamente attribuita.

Stamane ripasso e noto che ieri sera un uccellino (si vabbè, un uccellino
con la barba che di nome inizia con LucaDelu :-P ) ci aveva messo una pezza,
anzi ben 4!
https://twitter.com/Ale_Zena_IT/status/658201631503290368/photo/1



peccato che ho beccato solo quella... avevo adesivi per correggerne 
diverse :-)




Missione compiuta .. ma il prossimo anno stiamo di nuovo in campana ;-)



;-)


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Re: [Talk-dk] Put and Take søer

[Niels Elgaard Larsen]

On 2016-10-24 05:45 AM, Jørgen Elgaard Larsen wrote:

Thomas Andersen skrev:



Taginfo siger, at der er 4 tilfælde af fishing=put_and_take.
Eftersom det begreb svjv. kun bruges i Danmark og Sverige, er det nok
ikke den bedste værdi for tagget.


Jeg kan se, at det i alle 4 tilfælde er mig, der har tagget det.
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/jAa

Så Thomas, du skal endelig rette dem til, hvad du beslutter dig for.



Mit forslag er fishing=stocked, men
dine fiske-kontakter må kunne fortælle, hvad begrebet kaldes
internationalt.

I alle tilfælde ville jeg dokumentere brugen af tagget på wikien:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fishing

Jeg ville også diskutere det på tagging-listen.


Læs i øvrigt om opfindelse af egne tags her:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Any_tags_you_like

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Re: [Talk-cz] nahrávání rozcestníků přes old.openstreetmap.cz

[Michal Grézl]

2016-10-20 14:20 GMT+02:00 Marián Kyral :
>
...
>
> Jo. Chci to hlavně pro chybějící rozcestníky a poteciálně i pro nějakou
> desktopovou aplikaci pro hromadné nahrávání. Jen jsem narážel na to, že tak
> jak to máš teď (Phase1, Phase2) a do toho ten perl taky generuje html
> formulář. Ten html kód by měl být samostatně a s API by měl akorát
> komunikovat stylem - tady máš obrázek API. A API řekne - OK. Formulář se
> zeptá na nějaké podrobnosti a dostane API mu je dá. A nakonec se nahrávání
> dokončí nebo zruší.
>

hmm to je jedno, klidne si muze kazdej pouzivat formulare svoje, neni
potreba pouzivat ty moje.

mam teda presunout na api.openstreetmap.cz ten starej php upload?


>
> Ale tuhle diskuzi bychom asi mohli přesunout na github.
>

https://github.com/osmcz/api/issues/17


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[OSM-talk-fr] Rencontre parisienne 27 octobre 2016

[Donat ROBAUX]

Bonjour,

Dans la froideur de l'automne, qui est dispo ce jeudi à 19h30 pour se
rencontrer?

Nous nous rencontrons jeudi 27 septembre 2016 à partir de 19h30. Les locaux
peuvent être ouverts un peu avant je pense.
C'est ici: FPH, Fondation Charles-Léopold Mayer pour le Progrès de l'Homme
38 rue Saint-Sabin Paris 11

Pour le reste des infos, c'est par là:
http://www.agendadulibre.org/events/12072

On peut en discuter sur le forum pour ne pas polluer la liste
http://forum.openstreetmap.fr/viewtopic.php?f=18=4878

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Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

[James]

I've updated the documentation and incorporated Scruss's findings on the
build source data:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Ontario:Ottawa/Import/TopographicMap

On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 5:58 PM, Begin Daniel  wrote:

> Well, only very large buildings can be found as polygons in the Canvec
> product.
>
> Furthermore, NRCan did not update the Canvec buildings layer for more than
> 20 years (the oldest is 1944), with only a few exceptions…
>
>
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
> *From:* James [mailto:james2...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, 22 October, 2016 10:54
> *To:* Stewart C. Russell
> *Cc:* Talk-CA OpenStreetMap
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses
> [Statistics Canada project]
>
>
>
> http://ftp.geogratis.gc.ca/pub/nrcan_rncan/vector/canvec/shp/ManMade/
>
> 50K man made just seems to be nodes of where buildings are located,
> instead of outlines.
>
> Judging by :
> http://atlas.gc.ca/toporama/en/index.html
>
> They have a few buildings in CanVEC, but not all of them. Seems like
> massive buildings like schools and malls, residential buildings are out.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Stewart C. Russell 
> wrote:
>
> On 2016-10-21 11:41 PM, James wrote:
> > Sounds like it, but the data handed to us didnt have sidewalks and
> > roads, driveways etc. Ottawa may have exported data from this file
>
> Yes, for sure.
>
> I've now had more of a chance to look at the data (thanks, Ottawa, for
> providing no docs at all ...). I'm pretty sure that the data at
> http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/cad-topographic-data is the source of what
> the Ottawa group were given.
>
> In the 31 gigabytes of converted files, about 8-10 of the 177 total
> layers might be of interest. But:
>
> * The files are in some kind of MTM projection, but I don't know the
> datum. Some munis still love their NAD27, so getting this right is crucial.
>
> * These were digitized 2010-2011 at the latest. Since municipalities
> share data with NRCan, aren't these outlines already available in a
> recent iteration of CanVec in a much more useful (i.e., anything but
> DWG) format?
>
> My notes on the files, so far:
> https://gist.github.com/scruss/e7f85da2e7943cb1a1d13772fbe144
> d3#file-ottawabfomapdata-md
>
> (feel free to use/modify/etc)
>
> If anyone wants 31 GB of converted DXFs, let me know. It took Teigha
> several hours on a quad core with SSDs to convert this, so I'm not going
> to delete it lightly.
>
> cheers,
>  Stewart
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcode Analysis

[Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)]

On 19 October 2016 at 10:42, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
 wrote:
> The OSM data for
> http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/postcodes/osm-errors.html comes from
> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/ and it's currently the latest
> available. At the moment, the updates are scripted but I have to
> launch them manually. I haven't quite figured out what to do with
> automating at the moment, but since it's quick and resource-light to
> refresh the taginfo data, frequent updates are certainly possible.

The updates to http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/postcodes/osm-errors.html
are now fully automated. The page should be re-generated around
11:15am UK time each day, to make use of the latest UK Taginfo data,
which seems to usually be taken from OSM around 7:30pm the night
before.

I don't think anyone's come forward yet to propose / implement an
automated edit to fix some of the obvious spacing and case issues, so
if anyone out there is interested please do speak up.

Robert.

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Re: [Talk-dk] Put and Take søer

[Thomas Andersen]

Tak Ole og Jørgen
Vi prøver at se på det, og vil prøve med din løsning Jørgen. Det kan være
vi vender tilbage, hvis vi får problemer med tags :)

-Thomas

2016-10-24 11:45 GMT+02:00 Jørgen Elgaard Larsen :

> Thomas Andersen skrev:
>
>> Så hvad er den bedste fremgangsmåde, er det at skrive put and take i
>> navnet, og så lave et ekstra navn med søens navn? Eller skulle man
>> oprette en tag med put and take?
>>
>
> Det er i hvert fald forkert (og ubrugeligt for en app) at putte det i
> navnet. Medmindre søen rent faktisk hedder det, f.x. "Bennys Put and
> Take-dam".
>
> Det rigtige er at bruge et tag. Jeg har nu heller ikke kunnet finde noget
> etableret tag til det.
>
> I din situation ville jeg tagge som f.x.
>
> name=Store Sø
> natural=water
> water=lake
> leisure=fishing
> fishing=stocked
> operator=Roskilde Fiskeland
>
>
> Taginfo siger, at der er 4 tilfælde af fishing=put_and_take.
> Eftersom det begreb svjv. kun bruges i Danmark og Sverige, er det nok ikke
> den bedste værdi for tagget. Mit forslag er fishing=stocked, men dine
> fiske-kontakter må kunne fortælle, hvad begrebet kaldes internationalt.
>
> I alle tilfælde ville jeg dokumentere brugen af tagget på wikien:
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fishing
>
> Jeg ville også diskutere det på tagging-listen.
>
>
> Læs i øvrigt om opfindelse af egne tags her:
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Any_tags_you_like
>
> - Jørgen
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Re: [Talk-cz] Francois555 ... ???

[Marián Kyral]

Proč se ho nezeptáš pod nějakým changesetem? Pochybuji, že čte @talk-cz.

A nevím, čemu říkáš tuny. Moc toho není. Nevím jak moc přesné ty informace 
jsou v porovnáním se skutečností, ale dle jeho historie editací bych to 
viděl, že v Praze asi byl a tyhle informace si poznamenal. Možná v Osmand. 
Protože tam nemá moc podrobností.

Marián


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Datum: 24. 10. 2016 11:30:16
Předmět: [Talk-cz] Francois555 ... ???

"Dobrý den,

mohl bych poprosit o informaci od Francois555, kde bere ty tuny 
informací, které teď pumpuje do OSM v Praze ... 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Francois555/history ? Všechny 
jsou určitě z public domain zdrojů, že?

Hezký den,

Matěj

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Re: [Talk-dk] Put and Take søer

[Jørgen Elgaard Larsen]

Thomas Andersen skrev:

Så hvad er den bedste fremgangsmåde, er det at skrive put and take i
navnet, og så lave et ekstra navn med søens navn? Eller skulle man
oprette en tag med put and take?


Det er i hvert fald forkert (og ubrugeligt for en app) at putte det i 
navnet. Medmindre søen rent faktisk hedder det, f.x. "Bennys Put and 
Take-dam".


Det rigtige er at bruge et tag. Jeg har nu heller ikke kunnet finde 
noget etableret tag til det.


I din situation ville jeg tagge som f.x.

name=Store Sø
natural=water
water=lake
leisure=fishing
fishing=stocked
operator=Roskilde Fiskeland


Taginfo siger, at der er 4 tilfælde af fishing=put_and_take.
Eftersom det begreb svjv. kun bruges i Danmark og Sverige, er det nok 
ikke den bedste værdi for tagget. Mit forslag er fishing=stocked, men 
dine fiske-kontakter må kunne fortælle, hvad begrebet kaldes internationalt.


I alle tilfælde ville jeg dokumentere brugen af tagget på wikien:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fishing

Jeg ville også diskutere det på tagging-listen.


Læs i øvrigt om opfindelse af egne tags her:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Any_tags_you_like

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[Talk-cz] Francois555 ... ???

[Matěj Cepl]

Dobrý den,

mohl bych poprosit o informaci od Francois555, kde bere ty tuny 
informací, které teď pumpuje do OSM v Praze ...  
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Francois555/history ? Všechny 
jsou určitě z public domain zdrojů, že?

Hezký den,

Matěj

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Re: [Talk-dk] Put and Take søer

[Ole Laursen]

24. oktober 2016 kl. 10.54 skrev Thomas Andersen
:
> Så hvad er den bedste fremgangsmåde, er det at skrive put and take i navnet,
> og så lave et ekstra navn med søens navn? Eller skulle man oprette en tag
> med put and take?

Helt klart et tag på en eller anden måde. Det ser umiddelbart ud til
at put and take er et dansk begreb. Det engelske begreb er vist
stocked fishing pond/lake.

"Other ponds could be stocked with food fish for recreational fishing."

Måske er det bedste at spørge på den engelske liste om der er nogle
bestemte tags folk bruger? Kan se der er en leisure=fishing, men det
er jo nok kun den ene side af det (altså take-delen, ikke put-delen).


Ole

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[Talk-dk] Put and Take søer

[Thomas Andersen]

Kære alle

Jeg skal hjælpe nogle venner med at digitalisere put-and-take søer i
Danmark til en fiskeri App. I den forbindelse vil jeg høre jer om den
bedste måde at gøre det på (så det bliver gjort rigtigt).

Såvidt jeg kan se at der ikke er noget tag for put-and-take søerne, i
stedet har man skrevet "put and take" i navnet på søen. Problemet er at put
and take søen, jo hedder noget andet, end put-and-take, f.eks. "Roskilde
Fiskeland".

Så hvad er den bedste fremgangsmåde, er det at skrive put and take i
navnet, og så lave et ekstra navn med søens navn? Eller skulle man oprette
en tag med put and take?


Med Venlig Hilsen / Regards

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Thomas Kristian Andersen
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] TLPE et OSM : coment la publicité extérieure aide à compléter OSM !

[PanierAvide]

Bonjour,

Bravo pour cette démarche d'ouverture. Est-ce prévu d'étendre à d'autres 
villes (Rennes par exemple) ?


Cordialement,

PanierAvide.


Le 24/10/2016 à 10:14, Pierre Touzard a écrit :

Bonjour à tous,

Ca y est, c'est "officiellement" diffusé  !

*http://www.sogefi-sig.com/ressources/*

sur la page, sélectionner l'onglet "Données OpenStreetMap TLPE"

Pierre T.



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] TLPE et OSM : coment la publicité extérieure aide à compléter OSM !

[Pierre Touzard]

Bonjour à tous,

Ca y est, c'est "officiellement" diffusé  !

*http://www.sogefi-sig.com/ressources/*

sur la page, sélectionner l'onglet "Données OpenStreetMap TLPE"

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Re: [OSM-talk] The movie Eye in the Sky credits OpenStreetMap

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2016-10-23 14:40 GMT+02:00 Simon Poole :

> Yes, but the point is that we don't actually give any guidance as to what
> we would consider sufficient notice if a link is not possible (as in your
> typical book or film) and we should add some text as to what we are happy
> with (I suspect that it might boil down to requiring a typed out link).



ok. But regardless the possibilities of linking, in no way "(c) OSM
contributors" makes "clear that the data is available under the Open
Database License"

Cheers,
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Re: [Talk-it] Attribuzione in "Inferno" di Ron Howard

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Il giorno 23 ott 2016, alle ore 18:16, Lorenzo Beba Beltrami 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> frase "© OpenStreetMap contributors"!!!



sulla lista internazionale ci stanno discutendo per un attribuzione così, 
perché la licenza in realtà chiede anche di dire sotto quale licenza sono 
disponibili i dati.

ciao,
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Tag pour constructeur de maisons ?

[pepilepi...@ovh.fr]

Le 24/10/2016 à 00:55, Jérôme Amagat a écrit :
> Si il fallait que je choisisse :
> je dirais que craft= ça correspond pas, pour moi c'est l'artisanat
> donc fabriqué quelque choser de ses mains donc ça va pas dans ce cas
> c'est plutôt office=

+1

> Si on regarde la page office= sur le wiki ce qui se rapproche le plus
> ça serait architect mais c'est pas trop ça. l'entreprise doit faire
> travailler des architectes soit directement dans l'entreprise soit a
> l’extérieur mais ils ne font pas que ça.
> Le tag office= comme d'autres (exemple industrial=) c'est un tag où
> toute les valeurs possible ne sont pas affiché sur la page wiki et tu
> peut mettre n'importe quoi.

Tu me l'apprends, merci

> Il vaut mieux quand même bien choisir pour ne pas être le seul a
> choisir cette valeur de tag sinon ton tag risque d’être supprimé ou de
> ne servir a rien (et il faut qu'il soit en anglais).
> Pour voir tout les tag office= déjà utiliser dans osm il faut aller
> sur taginfo https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/?key=office#values
> En cherchant un peu sur le net je dirais que c'est une entreprise qui
> fait de la maîtrise d’œuvre (cette entreprise fait travailler des
> architectes, des conducteurs de travaux ...).
> la maîtrise d’œuvre
> (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%C3%AEtrise_d%27%C5%93uvre) d'apres
> wikipedia c'est pour le General contractor
> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_contractor)
> Donc je mettrais bien office=general_contractor
> bon d’après taginfo il y en a que 2 tagués comme ça dans le monde
> c'est pas terrible mais c'est mieux que 0

OK, je vais faire monter ça de 50% !

> Après avoir fait ton choix tu peux aussi ajouter quelque chose sur la
> page de discussion de office=
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:office en expliquant un
> peu ce que fait cette entreprise et ton choix pour voir ce qu'en pense
> d'autres (des anglophones qui connaissent un peu ce type de travail).

J'ai pas le temps maintenant mais je me garde ça pour les jours qui
viennent.

Merci, bonne semaine

Jean-Pierre

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Re: [OSM-talk] The movie Eye in the Sky credits OpenStreetMap

[Pine W]

My reading of https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright is that, under the
current terms, printing the link to that page in addition to printing “©
OpenStreetMap contributors” would be sufficient. However, I do wonder
whether a credit like "“© OpenStreetMap contributors, licensed under
https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright; might give the mistaken impression
that a production paid for a license, so perhaps it would be good to
further specify that the text "The data is available under the Open
Database License, and the cartography is licensed under Creative Commons
Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0" would be preferred. This might improve the
visibility of the open licensing scheme.

Pine

On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 5:40 AM, Simon Poole  wrote:

> Yes, but the point is that we don't actually give any guidance as to what
> we would consider sufficient notice if a link is not possible (as in your
> typical book or film) and we should add some text as to what we are happy
> with (I suspect that it might boil down to requiring a typed out link).
>
> Simon
>
> Am 23.10.2016 um 05:07 schrieb Pine W:
>
> Hi Simon,
>
> Not quite. Per "https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright;, licensees "must
> also make it clear that the data is available under the Open Database
> License, and if using our map tiles, that the cartography is licensed as CC
> BY-SA. You may do this by linking to this copyright page
> ."
>
> So, while noting “© OpenStreetMap contributors”, is a good start, it's
> insufficient to fulfill the terms of the license.
>
> I would expect that a project with a cost of about $75 million would have
> plenty of resources with which to do legal research and completely fulfill
> the terms of the license.
>
> Pine
>
> On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 1:08 AM, Simon Poole  wrote:
>
>> “© OpenStreetMap contributors” has been the suggested attribtion text
>> since day one post licence change (see http://www.openstreetmap.org/c
>> opyright and http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Licence_and_Legal
>> _FAQ ). While you could argue that the OSMF is wrong headed to ask for
>> that, you defintely can't complain about the productions.
>> Simon
>>
>>
>> Am 22.10.2016 um 07:00 schrieb Pine W:
>>
>> With a budget of about $75 million [1], productions like this certainly
>> have the resources to get the credits and licensing right, so there is no
>> excuse for being sloppy. Does the OSM Foundation have lawyers or
>> communications staff who would be in a good position to address this issue
>> with the responsible parties?
>>
>> Pine
>>
>> [1] https://variety.com/2016/film/news/box-office-tom-hanks-infe
>> rno-international-1201890418/
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2016 9:06 PM, "Eugene Alvin Villar"  wrote:
>>
>>> I saw another mainstream film that credits OSM in the end credits and
>>> this is the film adaptation of Dan Brown's novel Inferno. The credit
>>> went “© OpenStreetMap contributors”. There was no mention of any license
>>> again.
>>>
>>> I've decided to create a new wiki page[1] to list these films, linked
>>> from the "Press" wiki page[2].
>>>
>>> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Films
>>> [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Portal:Press
>>>
>>> ~Eugene
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 I just saw the film Eye in the Sky, starring Helen Mirren and Alan
 Rickman (the movie is really good), and I was pleasantly surprised to
 see OpenStreetMap and its contributors get a credit in the end
 credits. The surprise is partly because I do not recall seeing any map
 in the film that looked like it came from OSM.

 IIRC, the credit went like “OpenStreetMap © OpenStreetMap
 contributors”. No mention of any license though.

 Now I'm wondering whether there are any other mainstream films that
 also use and credit OpenStreetMap as well. This is the first time I've
 seen such a credit and I don't recall any mention as well on this
 mailing list.

 ~Eugene

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