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Re: [talk-ph] [SPAM] Re: Philippine multilingual place names (English/native language)

2017-08-24 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick

I would like to chime in here. I agree with Eugene - I don't think listing 
multiple names in the name=* tag is a good practice, maybe except in a few 
very specific cases where it is hard to say whether a name is actually a 
common name even in English texts, but I don't think there should be many of 
those cases, if any. Tagalog should be avoided completely in non-Tagalog areas 
(and even those that were *originally* non-tagalog, as place names tend to lag 
far behind language shifts).
It makes good sense to use the English name as default, as Eugene mentioned, 
it is an official language, and it doesn't bear the same political connotation 
as the use of Tagalog. Of course, English is not the native language either; 
Cebuano, Ilocano, Kapampangan, etc. are. I find though that many place names 
are used in their English form even by locals - with exceptions of course.
Eugene's suggestion to use native form "when the native form is overwhelmingly 
used even in English texts" makes perfect sense to me. There's no point 
translating a commonly used name to English. I can think of a few, like 
"Pulung Maragul" in Angeles, which in Kapampangan means "Big Island" - a name 
nobody would recognize, or "Patio" in Magalang - which is the Town Plaza, but 
everyone of course calls it Patio. Or Cong Dadong Dam - I have never heard 
anyone call it anything else. Even kids who do not speak English calls it "dam".
At least in Pampanga, which is the place I know, everybody including locals 
refer to the road names as "___ Road" or "___ Street", not "Dalan ___", which 
would be the local name, and certain natural places like a water fall is 
referred to by locals as "___ Falls", not to mention "Mount Arayat", which is 
technically "Bunduk Arayat" in Kapampangan, but most people use the English 
name, so using English as default here seems perfectly logical.


That said, from a linguistic heritage point of view, I would prefer if roads 
in Pampanga would be called "Dalan Arayat", etc. instead of "Arayat Road", and 
similar in other areas with other languages, but this is simply not the case, 
and maps should reflect reality, so personal preference is not relevant here.


It must be said that I neither am nor look like a Filipino, so people may 
choose to use English names around me for that reason, but given that I 
generally speak Kapampangan (with a great number of grammatical mistakes, I'm 
sure, but still) when in Pampanga, I don't think this is much of a problem. 
Still worth considering.


In essence, the priority list could be:
1. Commonly used local name (even in English texts)
2. In the absence of the above, English

Ref:
Pulung Maragul:  http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/963007863
Patio, Magalang: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/28855819
Cong Dadong Dam: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/262208377

Another thing to consider - what about places and roads officially named after 
politicians (typically), but which name locals have not adopted (and perhaps 
never will)? I would tend to prefer the name actually in use, ignoring the 
"official" name.

One pretty prominent example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/312897853
I think it's officially named Diosdado Macapagal International Airport, but I 
have yet to hear a single person refer to it as anything but "Clark".


Ronny.


On 2017-08-23 14:03, ianlopez wrote:
In a lot of cases, I'm going with the "what locals call it" plus "official 
name" rule of thumb when using the name=* tag, aside from the numerous name:xx 
tags used in mapping the Philippines. Aside from Eugene's examples, another 
specific case would be Taal, Batangas where the street names in its poblacion 
area are appended with "Calle" instead of "Street".



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On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 9:23 AM, Jherome Miguel > wrote:



It already looks important to have place names under the name= tag be
bilingual or multilingual, not just in English, especially when taking
regard speakers of native languages (Tagalog, Cebuano, Hiligaynon,
Kapampangan, Ilocano, etc.), and use of native. I am proposing a scheme
where the name under the place tag would have English as first name, and
second name in the Tagalog (usually formal), and the third name in the
native language (on places other than those in Tagalog speaking areas)


[Oops. Sent too early.]

So in essence, you want to propose something like what is done in Belgium?

I don't agree. I want the name=* to use just a single name,

Re: [talk-ph] Usability of translating Wikidata world places to Tagalog/Filipino

2017-05-06 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick

I agree with Eugene, if you choose specifically to display the map in Tagalog, 
you should get whatever name for the place that is correct Tagalog.
Same way if you specifically choose Chinese, you should see the Chinese names 
of Filipino places, if available.


The question is though, how would apply the other way?
If we're looking at a map of the Philippines without selecting language, would 
it then be displayed in Tagalog? I'm just wondering, because not all of the 
Philippines is Tagalog area? Bulacan is written with a C and Angeles City is 
not "Lungsod ng Angeles" to the locals, and pretty much anyone else.
In fact, in case of Angeles City, it's actually "Lakanbalen ning Angeles", but 
does OSM support languages on regions, not just countries? If so, how do we 
deal with multilingual areas?
You might look how it is done in Belgium and Switzerland, both countries with 
multiple official languages generally divided by area. Or India, I believe 
they have 20-something official languages.


Will adding Tagalog names for places result in that becoming the default 
language for place names in the Philippines when viewing a map without 
actively selecting a language?
If that's the case, I think it's a bad idea - simply because Tagalog is not 
the only language in the Philippines - there are more than a hundred of them!

That would be undermining the linguistic diversity of the country.

If the default will be the English (or "international") names, and you only 
get Tagalog names by actively selecting Tagalog language, then it makes good 
sense.


If you get the place names written in Kapampangan, Visayan, Ilocano, etc. as 
default in the areas where they are spoken (and English/International as a 
backup in case the local language is not avaiable), then it sounds like a good 
idea to use the various Filipino languages as default, otherwise it makes 
sense to use the other official language of the Philippines - English as the 
default.


If you can differentiate the language used when actively selecting "Tagalog" 
as your language from the default language for a country, you may consider 
creating a fictive language "Filipino languages" to use as default for the 
Philippines, based on current default (English) and replacing the default with 
Tagalog names for those areas. This way you'll get "Maynila", but not "Lungsod 
ng whatever" in non-Tagalog areas.


(Yes I know we shouldn't use prefixes like "Lungsod ng" on the map, but I 
couldn't come up with a better example off the top of my head. It's the 
principle, not the particulars that matter here.)


Ronny.


On 2017-05-05 08:27, Jim Morgan wrote:

maning sambale wrote on Thursday, 04 May, 2017 06:55 PM:

Our team at Mapbox is pushing for completing Wikidata places
translation to several languages [0] including Filipino/Tagalog.  The
aim is to connect the two projects and leverage from the data that
both project have (location in OSM, translations in Wikidata). [1]


So, for me, the ideal situation is this: the map allows you to select a 
language preference. If I'm looking at a map of China and I select English, the 
english name should display if available, but if not, then the default Chinese 
name should appear.

Applying this to your comment about Germany, the map would appear initially in 
German. If you selected Tagalog, any place names with a tagalog translation 
would display, but otherwise the name would appear in German. This would allow 
people to flip between several languages as they desired. Places with vastly 
different alphabets (Thailand, China, Russia etc) would definitely benefit from 
this arrangement.

Jim


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Re: [talk-ph] Forest landcover

2016-02-03 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick

I'm not an authority on this, but I can't see a reason why not. The current
lines are unlikely to be accurate the way you describe them and matches what
I've seen elsewhere in the Philippines.
Ronny.

On 2016-02-02 18:17, David Groom wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Firstly let me introduce myself, I'm based in the UK.  I've been involed with
> OSM pretty much from the start, (I attended the first ever mapping party), was
> responsible for a large part of the original worldwide coastline import, 
> spent a lot of time fixing coastline errors, did most of the original mapping
> of Baghdad from Bing & Yahoo imagery, and have done of lot of other mappng
> from imagery worldwide, as well as mapping from my own GPX tracks here in th
> UK and wherever I vacation.
> 
> I have recently started mapping parts of Leyte. Initially focusing on some of
> the smaller scale mapping ( tracing builings etc) .
> 
> I then noticed that some areas of coastline on the west of the island needed
> updating from imagery since it had the typical "saw-tooth" effect resulting
> from imports of coastline data. so have been working on that.  I'm not
> finished yet!
> 
> Anyway, the purpose of my post to the list is to ask about landuse = forest
> areas.  If you look at the central part of Leyte some large areas have been
> mapped and tagged for the forest, but :
> 
> (1) these seem to have arbitary boundaries (long strainght lines where the
> areas simply have not been accuarely mapped to any natural feature)
> 
> (2) The areas so far mapped with tree cover (either "natural = wood", or
> "landuse = forest" represent a smnall proportion of the actual forest cover on
> the island.
> 
> My question is, is it OK if as I map other things I extend the tree cover
> areas .  This may result in a large part of Leyte "turning green" on the map.
> 
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Re: [talk-ph] routing bug

2015-08-31 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick

That should (theoretically at least) fix it. If an intersection doesn't have a
node, it's not actually an intersection. Then it's just two roads crossing one
another, presumably (assumed by the various routing software) on different 
levels.
If you fixed the first intersection you had problems with (by adding a node)
before we managed to get a look at the original, then that could explain what
happened. The routing software probably updates once a day or something like
that, so your recent change would not have propagated to it yet. In other
words, even if you fixed it, it still routed incorrectly - until it was
finally updated.
When you've fixed the other intersections, give it a day or two and see how it
goes then.
Ronny.

On 2015-08-31 15:22, Erwin Olario wrote:
> Ian, thank you for the update. While that solves that particular routing task,
> I still get other routing errors in the same area (this one [0], for example]
>  I've updated the area by adding nodes at intersections (where missing),
> hoping it fixes the problem.
> 
> I'll check this out again soon.
> 
> [0] http://osrm.at/feA
> [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33703680
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> Managed to fix it by splitting way 290296534 into two at the junction with
> Bacong-Valencia Road. You can verify this by using the Routing plugin in
> JOSM[0].
>  
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> 
> 
> For a week now, I've been trying to find out why this particular route, on
> a car,  couldn't give me a "simple" left turn but route me around
> elsewhere instead:  http://osrm.at/fa2
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[talk-ph] NHN 2 Luzon

2015-03-11 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick

I noticed Rally's recent update including MacArthur highway in NHN 2 Luzon:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4659407#map=8/15.824/120.361
I assume this was due to some updated guidelines from DPWH or something.

I noticed this because I had just meticulously updated the name of every
segment of MacArthur Highway from San Fernando/Angeles Border to
Angeles/Mabalacat border, and every single name I had fixed, as well as all
the previous ones, had now disappeared. I updated the name manually working
myself south until I realized something must be up (yes, I know, it takes a
bit of time sometimes), and then I noticed the new relation, and I noticed
that (probably) on every segment of this relation, the name had disappeared.

Was it intentional to delete the name of every segment of the road now called
Route 2?
If not, there are probably a lot of other segments that needs its name restored.

By the way, is Manila North Road another name for MacArthur Highway, or is
MacArthur just a small part of it?

As pointed out earlier, it used to be called R-9, which is a theoretical name
only, as everyone refers to it - or at least the segment I'm familiar with -
as MacArthur Highway. Now, it's suddenly called 2. Again, nobody who lives
or works or drives along this road apart from maybe a few of us and some
people at DPWH knows about this, yet the 2 label is the most prominent on a
lot of maps, as it's defined by the ref tag in OSM. I regularly drive this
route, and I have yet to see a single sign with either R-9 or 2 or N2 or
whatever. Granted, there's probably not a single sign saying MacArthur Highway
either, but that's the name people know.
If you print a map and based on that ask people how to get to Route 2, N2, or
R-9 your query is unlikely to receive an answer. So in terms of usefulness,
having that ref displayed prominently is pointless.

Do we map ground truth and use the references that are most useful to people
(putting DPWH dream labels like 2 and R-9 in nat_ref), or should we
blindly follow official references, even if nobody else are actively using
them and no signs indicate them?
The latter means waiting for DPWH to put up signs, which could take 10 or 20
years, if not eternity.

Or shall we use both?
Personally, I would set ref to MacArthur;2 or MacArthur;N2, set nat_ref to
2 and leave the name as the full name of the given road, regardless of route
membership. This way we deal with both current and future needs.

PS: I realize DPWH may be looking to build a route network like in Europe or
America, and that's great. But until they have finished putting up the signs,
it's meaningless. In Europe the E-roads are well known, and putting the E
route number as a ref is completely logical, as every road in this network is
marked with the route number after *every* intersection, plus every few km
should there be no intersections for a while. In Europe, if they build a new
improved road in the E-network, that road is marked as such before it is
opened, and the old road is marked as something else (a regional route
number), and all signs with the E-route number are removed from it overnight.
I'd love that to be the case here, but until then, we need to consider what
ref to actually use.


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Re: [talk-ph] NHN 2 Luzon

2015-03-11 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick

 be recycled for other purposes,
eg. administrative boundaries, bus routes, navigation apps, other custom
routes, will be very easy coz we don't have to trace same routes again etc.
(like somebody in Davao is mapping transport routes on top of existing roads
(by literally drawing another way on top), which is a pain to look at)
 -Digital Sat Nav devices' auto-route are now referring to Route
Numbers instead of the non-consistent highway names (makes travelling simple)
eg. follow highway shield (road markers with route numbers along the highway)
instead of looking at the varying road names.

 Will discuss more later (sorry for my usual me, this email is
getting very long)

 Cheers,
 Rally :-)



 On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Ronny Ager-Wick
ro...@ager-wick.com mailto:ro...@ager-wick.com wrote:

 I noticed Rally's recent update including MacArthur highway in
NHN 2 Luzon:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4659407#map=8/15.824/120.361
 I assume this was due to some updated guidelines from DPWH or
something.

 I noticed this because I had just meticulously updated the name
of every
 segment of MacArthur Highway from San Fernando/Angeles Border to
 Angeles/Mabalacat border, and every single name I had fixed, as
well as all
 the previous ones, had now disappeared. I updated the name
manually working
 myself south until I realized something must be up (yes, I know,
it takes a
 bit of time sometimes), and then I noticed the new relation, and
I noticed
 that (probably) on every segment of this relation, the name had
disappeared.

 Was it intentional to delete the name of every segment of the
road now called
 Route 2?
 If not, there are probably a lot of other segments that needs
its name restored.

 By the way, is Manila North Road another name for MacArthur
Highway, or is
 MacArthur just a small part of it?

 As pointed out earlier, it used to be called R-9, which is a
theoretical name
 only, as everyone refers to it - or at least the segment I'm
familiar with -
 as MacArthur Highway. Now, it's suddenly called 2. Again,
nobody who lives
 or works or drives along this road apart from maybe a few of us
and some
 people at DPWH knows about this, yet the 2 label is the most
prominent on a
 lot of maps, as it's defined by the ref tag in OSM. I regularly
drive this
 route, and I have yet to see a single sign with either R-9 or 2
or N2 or
 whatever. Granted, there's probably not a single sign saying
MacArthur Highway
 either, but that's the name people know.
 If you print a map and based on that ask people how to get to
Route 2, N2, or
 R-9 your query is unlikely to receive an answer. So in terms of
usefulness,
 having that ref displayed prominently is pointless.

 Do we map ground truth and use the references that are most
useful to people
 (putting DPWH dream labels like 2 and R-9 in nat_ref), or
should we
 blindly follow official references, even if nobody else are
actively using
 them and no signs indicate them?
 The latter means waiting for DPWH to put up signs, which could
take 10 or 20
 years, if not eternity.

 Or shall we use both?
 Personally, I would set ref to MacArthur;2 or MacArthur;N2,
set nat_ref to
 2 and leave the name as the full name of the given road,
regardless of route
 membership. This way we deal with both current and future needs.

 PS: I realize DPWH may be looking to build a route network like
in Europe or
 America, and that's great. But until they have finished putting
up the signs,
 it's meaningless. In Europe the E-roads are well known, and
putting the E
 route number as a ref is completely logical, as every road in
this network is
 marked with the route number after *every* intersection, plus
every few km
 should there be no intersections for a while. In Europe, if they
build a new
 improved road in the E-network, that road is marked as such
before it is
 opened, and the old road is marked as something else (a regional
route
 number), and all signs with the E-route number are removed from
it overnight.
 I'd love that to be the case here, but until then, we need to
consider what
 ref to actually use.





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Re: [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels

2015-02-18 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick

Hi, Pierre,

Thanks for the reply. It seems to me that when a road has a ref tag, the
itinerary calculator generally ignores street names, including the one given
to the Abacan Bridge. This may make sense in Europe and the US, but here it's
actually quite confusing.
The ref (R-9 fo MacArthur Highway) is generally not used outside of the
mapping community, and hardly within I believe. If I ask 500 random people on
the street in Angeles City where R-9 or R-8 is, I doubt a single one would
know. Furthermore, I can't remember seeing a single sign along a road stating
the ref. The ideal displayed name for this road would be MacArthur Highway -
that's what everyone calls it. Same for R-9, which is known as NLEX, or
simply the expressway. Is there a way to make that happen, but still not tag
for display purposes? Could we simply remove the ref tag entirely, maybe
renaming it to future_ref or something awaiting the local government
actually putting up signs so that people are aware of it (likely to take
decades)? If we're supposed to map reality, the ref tag, at least outside of
Metro Manila, does not reflect it at the moment.

Also, the itinerary calculator unfortunately doesn't seem to handle
roundabouts very well. Or are they incorrectly tagged? If I was to give that
itinerary description to someone, I am sure they would get lost, as I can
hardly think of a more complicated way to describe an essentially straight
piece of road. Knowing I might have been tagging incorrectly in this area
myself, is there any way we could tag this differently to improve the routing?

Ideally this stretch would be described as:
Follow MacArthur Highway
Turn slight right onto Abacan Bridge
Turn slight left onto MacArthur Highway (or better, Take 3rd exit in the
roundabout onto MacArthur Highway, but this may be hard if the routing
software doesn't know it's a roundabout...)
Reach destination.

Ronny.

On 2015-02-19 09:33, Pierre Béland wrote:
Hi Ronny,

I thought of using the new itinary calculation crossing the Abacan bridge.
I can see from the map in this area that in Philippines, like elsewhere, ref
tag is used for roads (here ref=R-9).
See the link for the itinary
http://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=osrm_carroute=15.1682%2C120.5893%3B15.1426%2C120.5962#map=15/15.1554/120.5929

With OSRM, it does show the ref-R-9 but do not report bridge crossing. With
Mapquest, there is even less info.

I wonder if OSMAnd on Android or any other road calculation software would
report bridge crossing.

Pierre

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This is a good point Eugene, and in fact the bridge names are very good
landmarks, given that there are not many other signs on the roads in the
Philippines, especially in rural areas. Another thing to take into
consideration is that many bridges gain their name from the river they cross
over, so there may be many bridges with the same name. They are definitely
not tagged consistently at the moment, for example:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/15.15516/120.59219
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/15.15840/120.60712
If I remember correctly, they are both named Abacan Bridge, but only one of
them has that name on the map, and incidentally the one with a different
road name on each side does not.

Do you know if common routing software will pick up the bridge:name=* tag?
Yes, I know we're not supposed to tag based on what current software will
pick up, but it is interesting to know, given that bridges are such great
landmarks.

It would be great with a published suggested standard that fits the
Philippine conditions.
Ronny.

On 2015-02-19 08:08, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
Hi Pierre,

Most bridges here in the Philippines have names no matter how small. You
can usually spot their name on the guard rail or on a small sign just
before the bridge. These names are almost always accompanied by the maximum
load the bridge can handle (which is tagged using maxweight=*) and
sometimes with the distance from the island's zero-kilometer marker (I have
no idea how to tag these. Maybe distance=*?).

Some examples:

http://www.philippinesdailyphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/bukidnon-atugan-bridge.jpg
http://www.zamboanga.com/z/images/0/09/Calapan_Bridge,_Calapan,_Kabasalan,_Zamboanga_Sibugay,_Philippines.JPG
http://static.rappler.com/images/tullahan-bridge-screengrab-20130708.jpg

Regards,
Eugene

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:59 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr
mailto:pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote:

Eugene,

I expect that only the major bridges have name. And we generally refer
to these by their name and not the road reference. Unless you

Re: [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels

2015-02-18 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick

Thanks again, Pierre,

First of all, I think I made that roundabout ages ago and forgot to add the
junction=roundabout tag. Fixed. That will surely help! I've also fixed unnamed
road sections near roundabouts, so I will rest the routing again later when it
has been updated.

What do the rest of you think of renaming all ref tags to ref:ph? I know it
would make sense here, and probably everywhere outside of Metro Manila, but
what about Manila?
I assume C-5 is this type of reference, and it's in common use there, isn't
it? But I also think EDSA has a reference that nobody cares about, so it's not
consistent.
If the consensus is that we would be better off putting these tags on hold
(making them ref:ph instead of ref), I assume this could be done through a
batch routine? We would have to make very sure that we only remove references
that are confusing, not ones that are actually in use, if any.

Ronny.

On 2015-02-19 11:12, Pierre Béland wrote:
Hi Ronny,

for the refs that are not implemented yet (ie no signs on the road), you
could convert to ref:ph
This way, it would keep the reference and it would be easy later to convert
back.

On the map, both the ref and the road name are showed. I am not sure that
the name will be showed by the routing applications if you remove the ref.
You will see the result if you look at areas where there is no ref.

About the roundabout in the calculator, we see in this link that small
segments with no names are reported as unamed.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=osrm_carroute=15.1653%2C120.6177%3B15.2239%2C120.5914#map=20/15.16086/120.60972layers=H

You could try to discuss on the osm main list about this reporting how this
new routing feature could be enhanced.

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Re: [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels

2015-02-18 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick

This is a good point Eugene, and in fact the bridge names are very good
landmarks, given that there are not many other signs on the roads in the
Philippines, especially in rural areas. Another thing to take into
consideration is that many bridges gain their name from the river they cross
over, so there may be many bridges with the same name. They are definitely not
tagged consistently at the moment, for example:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/15.15516/120.59219
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/15.15840/120.60712
If I remember correctly, they are both named Abacan Bridge, but only one of
them has that name on the map, and incidentally the one with a different road
name on each side does not.

Do you know if common routing software will pick up the bridge:name=* tag?
Yes, I know we're not supposed to tag based on what current software will pick
up, but it is interesting to know, given that bridges are such great landmarks.

It would be great with a published suggested standard that fits the Philippine
conditions.
Ronny.

On 2015-02-19 08:08, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
Hi Pierre,

Most bridges here in the Philippines have names no matter how small. You can
usually spot their name on the guard rail or on a small sign just before the
bridge. These names are almost always accompanied by the maximum load the
bridge can handle (which is tagged using maxweight=*) and sometimes with the
distance from the island's zero-kilometer marker (I have no idea how to tag
these. Maybe distance=*?).

Some examples:

Regards,
Eugene

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:59 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr
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Eugene,

I expect that only the major bridges have name. And we generally refer
to these by their name and not the road reference. Unless you have
particularities in Philippines.
Example Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco bay.
OpenStreetMap | ‪Golden Gate Bridge‬ (‪52477381‬)
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/52477381

Pierre

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Hi Ervin,

Option 1 is what I do.

Take note that if we have a way with highway=something and bridge=yes,
then the object is primarily a highway/road and the bridge is only an
aspect or property of the highway/road segment. Therefore, the name=*
tag should be the name of the highway/road. And then put the name of the
bridge on the bridge:name=* tag.

Besides, it will be very weird to have a long highway with unconnected
names just because there are bridges along the highway.

The only time I would put the name of the bridge on the name=* tag is if
the roads from both ends of the bridge have different names. For
example, the bridge formerly called Del Pan in Manila:
www.openstreetmap.org/way/4304674
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/4304674

~Eugene

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Query regarding tagging bridges.
What is the appropriate way of tagging bridges?

Option1: Use the name of the road, and place the name of the bridge
under bridge:name or the name of the tunnel under tunnel:name

Option2: Use the name of the bridge/tunnel, omit the road name

Thanks

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Re: [talk-ph] road name changes in Makati?

2014-07-07 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick


On 07/07/14 18:20, Jim Morgan wrote:

Senator Gil Puyat to Nicolas Buendia Road:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/146300437/history


Senator Gil Puyat used to be called Buendia, and in fact everyone knows it 
as that. I use the old name in taxis so that the driver knows I've been 
around for a while.


Maybe it should have an alternate_name tag as Buendia? Would that show up on 
searches though? Otherwise pretty useless. I do wish they'd stop changing 
road names by the way. Just leave them alone and name a new road after 
yourself!


I don't know many places in Metro Manila, but this is one of the few roads I 
do know. Jim's right, the road's name in people's mind is Buendia. The MRT 
station is called Buendia. I share your annoyance with those bloody 
politicians who keep naming stuff after themselves in their endless vanity. 
People don't care about repeated renaming, and even if road signs say one 
thing, people will ignore it and call it what they've always called it, 
causing no ends of confusion, especially for people who are new to the area.
If it was up to me, I'd simply name it Buendia Avenue, but if you need to be 
politically correct, and take into account that there may be one or two street 
signs using the other name, maybe Buendia Ave (Sen Gil Puyat Ave) or in 
worst case Sen Gil Puyat Ave / Buendia Ave. Not sure what the OSM rules say 
about de facto vs. politically correct names?


By the way, the original name was Buendia Avenue, not Nicolas Buendia 
Road. The patch of asphalt even has its own wikipedia article: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gil_Puyat_Avenue


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Re: [talk-ph] Governor Pineda (Pampanga) willing to support OSM for mapping other municipalities in the province

2014-06-25 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick


On 25/06/14 10:13, maning sambale wrote:

Great!  Will surely ask your help for Magalang.
Yes, by all means do. Also neighbouring municipalities Arayat and Angeles are 
within easy reach to me. Although I think I need to attend one of those 
training event myself, just to make sure I teach the best practices. Any 
coming up soon?


Here's the local news of the event yesterday:
http://www.headlinegl.com/pineda-lauds-world-banks-capacity-building-projects/

Although, I'm a little bit uncomfortable with Hulog ng langit remark
by one of the Board Member.
Well, as long as they credit OSM and not some grumpy old middle eastern 
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Re: [talk-ph] Governor Pineda (Pampanga) willing to support OSM for mapping other municipalities in the province

2014-06-24 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick

Wow that's great to hear that they appreciate the efforts, and even will 
support it, especially when it comes from the jueteng lord/lady, eh.. I mean 
governor... Kudos on your political manoeuvring, Maning.
As this is my area, especially the northern part, I will aim to get more 
involved. Specifically, what I'd love to see is that the very people that 
would benefit from the maps actually maintained them. If the engineering, 
health, education, etc. departments in the municipalities each have people 
that know how to update the map, then I think the chance that things are being 
kept up to date is much higher. They could even hand out walking papers to 
people as they go to different places. I'd be happy to spend some time on 
training people from the municipalities around here.

Ronny.


On 24/06/14 18:06, maning sambale wrote:

Hi,

I just came back from a presentation/meeting Governor Lilia Pineda of
Pampanga, Mayor Mylyn Pineda - Cayabyab of Lubao and, members of the
Provincial Council of Pampanga.  This is part of our Pampanga work to
update the provincial government on the status of the project.

Together with WorldBank and the 3 partner LGUs (Candaba, Lubao and
Guagua), we presented the participatory mapping initiative (OSM and
InaSAFE) in the last 6 months of last year.

Governor Pineda appreciated the mapping initiative and is planning to
replicate the approach to the rest of the province particularly to the
flood-prone municipalities of the province.  She instructed the
Provincial DRRM Office to coordinate this initiative and she commited
to provide instructions/directive to the specific mayors of these LGUs
to facilitate the mapping.

In addition, the provincial legislative board will also draft a
provincial resolution to support Governor Pineda's instructions.

I think this development is very significant for the OSM-PH community.
While details on how to specifically implement is still at an early
stage, we hope we can forge greater partnership and collaboration with
government of Pampanga in the future.

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Re: [talk-ph] Icons on POI's - Proposal

2014-05-24 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick


Totally agree, Eugene.
Much better with consistent data, with one way to tag a certain thing, than to 
have different processes adapt to incorrect tags, regardless of how frequent. 
Besides, anyone calling McDonalds a *restaurant* clearly needs to get out more! :)

Ronny.

On 25/05/14 04:44, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:

Hi Mark,

I think it would be better for all users of the data in the long run that 
the inconsistent name field is the one corrected instead of your system 
adjusting for it.


Let's say that you have a rule that says that that name=McDonald's with 
amenity=fast_food gets the Golden Arches icon.


Now let's say you have other rules that detect stuff that are probably 
McDonald's: name=McDonalds amenity=restaurant


Instead of tagging stuff like this with an additional tag 
icon:ph=mcdonalds.png, it would be better to correct those POIs that don't 
follow the correct tagging. If you have a system that detects such 
near-misses, then I'm sure the community would like to get a list of them so 
that they can be corrected.


I hope other mappers and users can chime in with their ideas.




On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 6:32 PM, Mark Cupitt markcup...@gmail.com 
mailto:markcup...@gmail.com wrote:


Folks, have been thinking about how we specify Icons for POI's in the
Philippines OSM Map. I have Icons for most of the PH specific
businesses, like Jollibee, Banks, and so on and would like to use them

At the moment, the only way to do this is to run through the database
checking the name tag and seeing if it starts with jollibee, BDO mcdo,
etc. This is a very intensive effort on a million+ points. I am doing
the code for it now and it has to be run on a very regular basis to pick
up new POI'S from the daily diff updates. It also suffers form spelling
errors, and fomat errors, for example the jollibee will to be
identified as the name has to start with jollibee (in text string
searches in postgres do not use indexes, and are too expensive on the
database, so we have to assume that the name starts with the search text.

I will publish the icons we have at some stage very soon where they can
be viewed by anyone.

To make it very easy to have granular control over icon display, I
propose that we do the following:

Add an icon:ph tag to nodes as they are created that contains the
filename of the icon to display (from the list published)

For example, a node of a Mcdonalds might have a tag amenity=fast_food
name=Mcdonalds Quezon City and a icon:ph=mcdonalds.png

The system will first check if the icon:ph exists and use the icon
specified in that. if not, it will fall back to database determined
value done on a weekly or monthly basis, with all the inherent pitfalls
in the use of the name field. If that does not work, it will display a
generic icon which is a Red Dot.

One big advantage of this proposal is that people can submit their own
logos in icon form, they are easy to add to the system, them specify
them for specific businesses, leisure, bars, etc. on the actual poi ..so
the value added to the map will be tremendous in the future.

Thoughts, flames, thumbs up, thumbs down, rounds of applause on this
proposal very much appreciated ..

Regards

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Re: [talk-ph] multiple multipolygons for Pampanga River

2014-02-19 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick


Thanks for the clarification, Pierre.
Actually, I tagged the relation both with natural=water, water=river and 
waterway=riverbank as advised in the wiki (see New Tagging) I assume this is 
the recommended way to do it?


As for Obrero, I haven't been that far north yet :) I only traced it up to the 
point where someone else had traced it. I stopped around Sta Rosa: 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/15.4214/120.9354
But, yes I agree, that needs to be retraced. It was probably traced from an 
old lower resolution satellite image like some of my own earlier work.


Ronny.


On 2014-02-19 21:01, Pierre Béland wrote:

Ronny,

It is not necessary fo merge the two relations, Each of these riverbank 
polygons must be a closed polygon.

See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:waterway%3Driverbank

For the relation 2411084, you must replaced the Tag natural=water to 
waterway=riverbank.


North of Obrero the riverbank must be retraced and the island must be traced 
independently from the riverbank. The island will be included in the 
relation with the role=inner.  The island is in fact smaller and a smaller 
river on the right connect to the main river.

see http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/15.544/121.0012

Pierre

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I've been adding polygons for Pampanga River and some of its contributories,
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existing multipolygon - http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2411084. I then
worked myself southwards until I found another multipolygon for Pampanga River
- http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2913607 .
Is there a way to merge these?
Or doesn't it matter that the river is split into several multipolygons as
long as they are joined by shared nodes?

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Re: [talk-ph] tagging questions

2013-11-04 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick


On 2013-10-31 23:55, Ervin Malicdem wrote:

/What tag to use for fish ponds./
As fish thrives in water i suggest natural:water ; crop=fish

/Poultry farms/
landuse:farmland ;  crop:chicken

Thanks, that's useful.



/Waterway tagging (suggestion) :/
Rivers: if the width of the flowing body of water seems to be wider than 50 
meters and deeper than 10 meters

streams: if smaller than my concept of a river
irrigation canal: a stream if it is natural ; a drain if it is artificial
Is this the canonical definition of a river? If it is, I need to redefine a 
lot of rivers! I tend to mark it as a river if it has a name that includes the 
word river or if most people refer to it as the river or sapa, but 
downgrade it to stream around the place it becomes so small that you can 
(easily) drive across it  - where there is a ford. Admittedly, I drive across 
rivers too (at least my definition of river), but that's just because I like 
to play in water (and find it fascinating to get stuck occationally)...
Would you say that here in Pampanga, it's pretty much only Pampanga river that 
is a river and that everything else is a stream?
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Re: [talk-ph] MILF satellite camp?

2012-12-03 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick


Anyone volunteering to verify? :)

On 03/12/12 16:15, maning sambale wrote:

Found this in the OSm DB:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/102679650




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Re: [talk-ph] MILF satellite camp?

2012-12-03 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick

If this becomes a new trend (marking clearly on the map wherever we find 
illegal activities) maybe law enforcement will start using our maps!
It's a great idea - I'll keep this in mind whenever I discover something less 
than legal :)
Would it be advisable to hide behind a temporary username when we do this - I 
mean, just in case?


On 03/12/12 22:56, samuel cruz wrote:
i guess thats true. i guess i sumitted a tracks there though i wasnt who 
made the polygon



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Found this in the OSm DB:
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 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/102679650





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Re: [talk-ph] Want more aerial imagery? Why not do it yourself?

2010-06-26 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick


I love this type of projects!
The problem I can imagine with having it on a string is:
- the string gets quite heavy when it's a few hundred meters up in the 
air, not to mention 1 few km.

- if the string snaps, what then?
- the string may be visible on the photos
- all the overhead cables! (could work in far away places in the barrio 
though)


If we could use something like this:
http://www.chinavasion.com/product_info.php/pName/gps-cellphone-wrist-watch/
it could send us coordinates (and altitude) by sms. And maybe could log 
as well to geocode the imagery :)
If we could hook it up to a computer as well (you can probably get 
something similar to Commodore 64 the size of a button now), hooked up 
to a valve for the helium baloon, then we could program it to release 
some helium when it reaches a certain altitude, until it stabilizes. Add 
a propeller for thrust and another for steering, and you can program it 
to fly forth and back (navigating using GPS coordinates) until it has 
covered the area you want to cover. Then, preferably before the battery 
or fuel for the propeller runs out, it can pre programmed to deflate the 
helium baloon and attempt to return to base :)


Sounds like an expensive toy, but we could cover all of the Philippines 
with that!
(except around major airports and above Malacañang and military areas - 
probably not very popular!)


Ronny.

maning sambale wrote:

@murlwe,

my plan is not to release the balloon.  I want it on low altitudes as
far as my string and helium can support.

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:
  

The guys in the vimeo link I posted used GPS tracking. I don't know exactly
how, but it seems that the package transmits GPS coordinates somehow and
they used it to track where the package fell.

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Marloue Pidor mur...@mail2engineer.com
wrote:


maning, question... how are you going to retrieve at least the camera
attached to the balloon?


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Cool!

I have a similar balloon mapping ideas in my mind for the last two
months already.
I hacked my canon cam with chdk for this.
Tried some experiments with kites but they were too unstable.

I'm actually looking for cheap weather balloons and a helium tank to
test my rig.
Any tips where to buy cheap balloons and borrow a portable aluminum
helium tank?

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
wrote:


http://vimeo.com/12421661


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Re: [talk-ph] Want more aerial imagery? Why not do it yourself?

2010-06-26 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick


I guess this is a good start:
http://www.picotux.com/
Ideally I'd like a bit more RAM and an interface to some flash memory, 
but at least it's *much* more powerful than a C64!


Or this one:
http://www.shimafuji.co.jp/product/spacecube01.html
http://www.handlewithlinux.com/smallest-linux-pc
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/08/27/a-real-space-oddity-arrives-at-pc-pro/


Ronny Ager-Wick wrote:

I love this type of projects!
The problem I can imagine with having it on a string is:
- the string gets quite heavy when it's a few hundred meters up in the 
air, not to mention 1 few km.

- if the string snaps, what then?
- the string may be visible on the photos
- all the overhead cables! (could work in far away places in the 
barrio though)


If we could use something like this:
http://www.chinavasion.com/product_info.php/pName/gps-cellphone-wrist-watch/
it could send us coordinates (and altitude) by sms. And maybe could 
log as well to geocode the imagery :)
If we could hook it up to a computer as well (you can probably get 
something similar to Commodore 64 the size of a button now), hooked up 
to a valve for the helium baloon, then we could program it to release 
some helium when it reaches a certain altitude, until it stabilizes. 
Add a propeller for thrust and another for steering, and you can 
program it to fly forth and back (navigating using GPS coordinates) 
until it has covered the area you want to cover. Then, preferably 
before the battery or fuel for the propeller runs out, it can pre 
programmed to deflate the helium baloon and attempt to return to base :)


Sounds like an expensive toy, but we could cover all of the 
Philippines with that!
(except around major airports and above Malacañang and military areas 
- probably not very popular!)


Ronny.

maning sambale wrote:

@murlwe,

my plan is not to release the balloon.  I want it on low altitudes as
far as my string and helium can support.

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:
  

The guys in the vimeo link I posted used GPS tracking. I don't know exactly
how, but it seems that the package transmits GPS coordinates somehow and
they used it to track where the package fell.

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Marloue Pidor mur...@mail2engineer.com
wrote:


maning, question... how are you going to retrieve at least the camera
attached to the balloon?


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From: maning sambale [emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com]
Sent: 6/26/2010 1:41:17 PM
To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Want more aerial imagery? Why not do it yourself?

Cool!

I have a similar balloon mapping ideas in my mind for the last two
months already.
I hacked my canon cam with chdk for this.
Tried some experiments with kites but they were too unstable.

I'm actually looking for cheap weather balloons and a helium tank to
test my rig.
Any tips where to buy cheap balloons and borrow a portable aluminum
helium tank?

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http://vimeo.com/12421661


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Re: [talk-ph] motorways leading to nowhere?

2010-06-23 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick

Yes, I feel the same. One of the definitions of a motorway is that it 
does not cross at level with any road, railway or tramway track, or 
footpath (according to wikipedia) so if this road does, then it's 
definitely not a motorway.



Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
I'm inclined to think that this is merely a trunk road. While it's not 
a requirement that the road is a tollway as opposed to a freeway to be 
a motorway, the fact that it's not limited access and has at-grade 
intersection suggests that it is not really a motorway.



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emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com mailto:emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:


On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 8:33 PM, ianlopez
ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.com mailto:ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.com wrote:

 AFAIK, the Bataan Provincial Expressway is a two-lane motorway
 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-lane_expressway and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Provincial_Expressway )

The discussion tab in the above page disputes its class as a motorway.
 However, according to a friend who went there last month, it is
indeed a dual-carriageway but no tollbooths.  I added another
carriageway but didn't changed the motorway tag.  Probably needs an
actual visit
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5048028

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Re: [talk-ph] UN-SPIDER is using OSM data

2010-06-16 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick


what about between OSM and MapMaker?
would be interesting to see how they compare.

maning sambale wrote:

I compared the road data from NAMRIA and OSM and Google MapMaker:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/esambale/sets/72157624161537611/

On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Marloue Pidor
mur...@mail2engineer.com wrote:
  

Oops, typo error

You do? That's nice.

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Subject: Re: [talk-ph] UN-SPIDER is using OSM data

link should be:
http://www.un-spider.org/story/gist-data-sets-philippines

I now work for the UN? :)

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http://www.un-spider.org/story/gist-data-sets-philippinest




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Re: [talk-ph] cost of GPS data loggers

2010-06-10 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick

Maning,
a lot of the items on ebay.co.uk allow international shipment, without
prohibitive cost:

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/i.html?_nkw=gps+data+logger+bluetooth_sacat=0_dmpt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_GPSSystems_GPSSystems_odkw=gps+data+logger+bluetooth

I own this one, which works fine on Ubuntu Linux (although with a bit of
fiddling to get it to work at firstm being u nfamiliar withh everything):

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/747A-Bluetooth-Cable-GPS-AGPS-Data-Logger-66CH-/360270057213?cmd=ViewItempt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_GPSSystems_GPSSystemshash=item53e1c4cefd
It's ?30, and only ?5 shipping to the phils, which totals PHP2367 at the
moment.
I always use it with bluetooth, leaving it on the dashboard while having
the computer somewhere else in the car. Battery lasts for at least 24
hours, maybe even longer. You can charge with cigarette lighter adapter
or USB cable, both included (at least when I bought it). A cool feature
is that it uses a standard old-style Nokia battery! Should be easy to
get replacements :)
Can log to memory or straight to the computer. Logging interval
adustable down to 1 sec (a bit tricky, command line only, but at least
it's possible - and you only have to do that once anyway)
Struggles a bit in urban canyons, but other than that I'm very happy
with it.
And it uses the MTK II chipset, which apparently is much better than the
older SIRF ones - but this is just what I've read.

Ronny.

maning sambale wrote:

Hi,

Any idea of the cost of GPS data loggers in the Philippines? I'm
looking for the very basic small sized high sensitivity logger with
bluetooth connection you can interface with a smart phone or a laptop.

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Re: [talk-ph] OpenStreetMap Philippines Inc. is a GO!

2010-05-27 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick


Fantastic!

Thanks  for all the effort, Andre - very much appreciated!
This starts a new era for OSM-PH :)

Ronny.

Andre Marcelo-Tanner wrote:
OpenStreetMap Philippines Inc., a nonstock corporation, has been 
approved for SEC incorporation and will become official next Thursday!


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Re: [talk-ph] road conversion from primary to trunk

2010-04-12 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.


I assume routing software will prefer a trunk road over a primary road?

The way I've done it, primary roads are the main thoroughfare through an 
area - the road most locals would choose when going *through*. I've 
upgraded a few roads to primary due to their importance. You could 
possible ask the question If I'm in this town, and I'm to the town 
after the neighbouring town, which road would I choose? The answer is 
most likely a primary road. But, I would normally not touch roads I am 
not local to and thus *know* the importance of. However the only 
exception was a map maning send to the list conttaining the main roads 
of Luzon, which I upgraded a couple of roads based on because it made 
complete sense.


Now, truck roads I feel are a bit sacred. My ffeling is that these are 
roads that cross provinces. For example McArthur highway is the only 
truck road in Pampanga.
I guess a trunk road will function like a motorway if one was not 
present, but cannot be upgraded to one because of the standard.
In cities, my gut feeling is that trunk roads are the ones most people 
would choose to get in or out of the city, or through it - the ones you 
will guise people without knowleedge to take. For example, ,you'd 
probably guide them to go on EDSA when going from the south to the 
north, not a combination of minor roads that may save theem 10 minutes 
of driving if you know what roads to take.
Disclosure: I may be wrong, I don't know my way around metro Manila. *I* 
go on EDSA so that I won't get lost! :)


Take a look at central London: http://osm.org/go/euu4KZ5
There are no trunk roads in the center itself, except one - park lane - 
which is a major thoroughfare, and kind of splits the western part of 
central London from the main center. Park Lane is also the only way to 
go through central London north to south at daytime without paying ?8 
congestion charge, so you can imagine it being pretty well utilized :)
There's a ring road surrounding the center, which consist of trunk 
roads. This helps people looking at the map to choose the right route to 
take, as there are so many primary roads. They tend to be wider than 
primary roads, but some portions of them are just the saem size as 
primary - the upgrade is merely to help people choose the right route.


So my 2 centavos worth is: If it helps people choose the best (most 
used) route through an area with lots of primary roads, then an upgrade 
to trunk seems sensible. I also think trunk roads should be connected to 
other trunk roads, thus act to help people not known to the area which 
route to take to get outta there! :)


Ronny.

maning sambale wrote:

Pardon my ignorance,  what is the benefit of re-classifying the roads
form primary to trunk?  I don't mind doing this for my area, but I
need clear benefits before doing this.

Does this provide better routing?

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:
  

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote:


Eugene Alvin Villar wrote, On Sunday, 11 April, 2010 09:55 PM:
  

That said, I was actually thinking of upgrading Espana-Quezon Avenue to
trunk. :-)

What do other people think?


My 2 centavos: Trunk roads are inter-city / town. Its also to do with the
way people enter/exit the road. So ... NLEX should be a trunk: EDSA should
be a primary road.

Jim
  

the way people enter/exit the road That sounds like highway=motorway. And
indeed, NLEX is highway=motorway because it's a high-speed road with limited
entry/exit points and usually has a toll.


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[talk-ph] [Fwd: RapidFTR project (for UNICEF). Please join us!]

2010-03-25 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.


Crossposting this to:
Philippine Ruby Users Group (http://groups.google.com/group/ruby-phil)
Openstreetmap Philippines 
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines)


This just came into my inbox from my local London Google OSJam mailing 
list. Although I don't expect anyone to be able to get to the meeting in 
Holborn (part of central London), I think there may be some on both 
lists that may be interested in participating in this software, 
particularly as disasters where this software can help are known to 
occur in the Philippines, it's written in Ruby on Rails and mapping 
integration is likely to be useful to implement.
I'll try to join them on Saturday, if I can manage to shift around other 
arrangements.


Hope this is of interest!

Ronny.


 Original Message 
Subject: 	[open-source-jam] Open source code jam this Sat 27th, Holborn, 
London: RapidFTR project (for UNICEF). Please join us!

Date:   Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:30:04 -0700 (PDT)
From:   Tom tom.el...@gmail.com
Reply-To:   london-open-source-...@googlegroups.com
To: London Open Source Jam london-open-source-...@googlegroups.com
CC: tel...@thoughtworks.com



Hi all.  Apologies for posting at such short notice, but hopefully
this will be of interest to some of you.  We're hosting a code jam at
the Thoughtworks office in Holborn this Saturday to work on the open
source RapidFTR project (http://www.rapidftr.com).

RapidFTR was an idea coined by post-grad students at New York
University, which some of us at Thoughtworks have been helping them to
implement.  It's a great idea that can make a massive difference to
the Family Tracing and Reunification work that aid organisations do in
humanitarian disaster areas.  i.e. reuniting lost children with their
families.  (See the RapidFTR website for details.)  UNICEF are already
very interested in it, and would like to be able to deploy it as soon
as possible.  (The first areas they will deploy it to would probably
be Haiti, and IDP camps in Uganda and Sudan.)

We're having the code jam to see if we can get enough done so that it
can start being used in the field.  There's also lots more we would
like to add after the initial deployment if people are are keen to
work help out beyond this Saturday.  There are many different areas
that people can help with:

RESTful API and Ruby on Rails backend, and a web admin interface;
Search functionality (CouchDB);
Blackberry phone client (specifically requested by UNICEF since that's
what their aid workers have);
Android phone client (so RapidFTR can be used by more NGOs);
Any other form of RapidFTR client that people are interested in
building.

For more information about the project please visit: http://www.rapidftr.com/

Event details:

Saturday March 27, 2010  from 10:00am - 4:00pm (or as long as people
can stay)
ThoughtWorks UK Office
Berkshire House, 168-173 High Holborn
London, United Kingdom, England WC1V 7AA

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mail: tel...@thoughtworks.com so we can make sure we have plenty of
food and drink for everyone.  :-)  If there's a particular functional
area you'd like to work on, let me know that to.

Thanks!

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Re: [talk-ph] advise on tagging barangay health centers

2010-03-15 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.

I've been wondering about that myself. I just used 
amenity=public_building for now, but of course, there's no icon on the 
map for that. As this is an important place, maybe particularly in the 
province, it would be great if we could all agree on a tag for it, as 
well as map icon (or use an existing tag with icon).
Ronny.

maning sambale wrote:
 I discovered during my barangay hall visits that each barangay in
 Marikina has a separate health center, botika (pharmacy)  and police
 precincts, usually located within the barangay hall complex but
 separate from other barangay amenities. Nice.
 Question: What tag for barangay health centers?  Which is not really a
 hospital or doctor/s.

 Thanks!
   

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Re: [talk-ph] advise on tagging barangay health centers

2010-03-15 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.


After a bit of research, strike my previous suggestion.
+.5 on amenity=clinic for me.

See http://www.mail-archive.com/t...@openstreetmap.org/msg05884.html

Statements from the discussion:
- Clinic can apply to other medical folks, such as chiropodists and
physiotherapists too.
- And physical rehabilitation, dementia care, psychiatric counseling...
the list might be quite a long one.

However it was suggested for our purposes to mean polyclinics. Do our 
municipial health centers fall under this category? In my opinion, yes, 
pretty much.


We can also consider adding:

medical=servicelist
where servicelist is a semicolon-separated list of values from 
{dentist, doctor, chiropodist, physiotherapy, minor_surgery, ...}.

and

emergency=yes|no
as well as
operator=Municipality of ___

Ronny.

ianlopez wrote:

+1 for amenity=clinic

@eric: i didn't know the consequences of not distinguishing health 
centers from barangay outposts until now. thanks.


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From: Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [talk-ph] advise on tagging barangay health centers
To: eric pareja eric.par...@gmail.com
Cc: ianlopez ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.com, OSM-PH
talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 9:31 PM

How about amenity=clinic?

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 9:26 PM, eric pareja
eric.par...@gmail.com /mc/compose?to=eric.par...@gmail.com wrote:

hi ian, maning,

tagging health centers as public building or doctor's clinic
would probably be correct in keeping with generic tagging, but
it would be more useful if they are tagged specifically as
health centers. i've been convincing my boss at the national
telehealth center, UP Manila, to use openstreetmap.org
http://openstreetmap.org and this would be a good use case
for us.

ian, if both health centers and police outposts are tagged as
public buildings, how do we differentiate them? there's value
in distinguishing the health centers as such, and we'd like to
be able to work with that data to help direct patients to the
nearest one. 



On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 8:00 PM, ianlopez
ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.com
/mc/compose?to=ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.com wrote:

Health centers should be tagged, either as a public
building or as a doctor's clinic. Boticas owned/operated
by barangay can be tagged as a pharmacy. Barangay police
outposts can be tagged either as a public building or as a
police station.

(Just a question: Is it OK to add Comelec/PNP Gun Ban
checkpoints? We could be accused of encouraging some
people to evade checkpoints and allow some of them to pack
some heat and add more bodies to the count - see

http://mashable.com/2009/12/31/drunken-drivers-evade-the-cops-with-twitter/
and http://mashable.com/2010/02/03/los-twitteros/ )

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From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
/mc/compose?to=emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
Subject: [talk-ph] advise on tagging barangay health
centers
To: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
/mc/compose?to=talk...@openstreetmap.org
Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 7:05 PM


I discovered during my barangay hall visits that each
barangay in
Marikina has a separate health center, botika
(pharmacy) and police
precincts, usually located within the barangay hall
complex but
separate from other barangay amenities. Nice.
Question: What tag for barangay health centers?  Which
is not really a
hospital or doctor/s.

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Re: [talk-ph] MAJOR PROBLEM in San Fernando, Pampanga portion

2009-09-24 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.

Something that strikes me as odd here is that it seems impossible to go 
north on MacArthur through this intersection. I am pretty sure I've gone 
north there myself on several occasions, but it's a while ago aand I'm 
back in London now so I can't verify.

Can someone local verify this?
Also, I'm pretty sure  you can turn left as well (under the viaduct), right?
Ronny.

maning sambale wrote:

junsamboy and others,

I edited the San Fernando area for a lot of obvious errors:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2593646

Mostly these area:
 - untagged ways
 - unconnected highways
 - duplicate nodes
 - overlapping highways

I think it requires several more passes because I may have missed
other errors.  Don't worry jun and ingguana, these errors are natural
for new areas.  We can improve on it as we learn the ropes.

So I appeal to other osm-ph members, maybe we can help the san
fernando contributors improve the data.  Please have a brief look and
correct the obvious errors.  The most common are unconnected
intersections.  This is very important for routing.

A critical road intersection is the olongapo-gapan-macarthur intersection:
http://osm.org/go/4zO2B2C9f--


On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:03 AM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
  

OK

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Jun Martin jun.mar...@gmail.com wrote:


maning sambale wrote:
  

OK, so we can override his edits then.  I'll try fix a few in the coming days.



Thanks.
  

I would be good if he can cite his source using the source tag.

Oh please invite ingguana to the talk-ph list.




I've relayed this to ingguana.  I hope he responds favorably.


  


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Re: [talk-ph] looking for local distributor of GPS data loggers

2009-09-21 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.

Guys, I've been using my iBlue 747A+ for a while now and it works
generally very well. As a receiver I've had no issues whatsoever. As a
logger, it's sometimes a bit tricky, but I can make it work when I rally
want to :)
Unfortunately our recent trip to the Phils was crippled somewhat by
non-functional cars (Mitsubishi is a pile of rubbish - never again!),
but I managed to get some good traces anyway
(http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Ronny%20Ager-Wick/traces/). Some are
from places without existing satellite images, which was nice. Virgin
territory :)
Most of the time (since I had some issues with downloading logs) I used
it as a receiver and brought my eee PC running eeebuntu everywhere, even
on a very bumpy trip to bunduk with a 4wd jeep (SSD instead of hard
drive is practical).

Anyway, I bought my GPS logger here:
http://electronics.shop.ebay.co.uk/GPS-/139835/i.html?_catref=1_fln=1_ipg=_ssn=higheststandardultimate_trksid=p3911.c0.m282
I ended up paying £23 + £3 postage for it, which I think is reasonable.
If this item is difficult to get hold of in the Phils and you want one,
I'm happy to get you one and either ship it to you directly, or if
you're not in a hurry and want to save on postage and customs charges, I
can put it in the next balikbayan box for you, and my family can just
send it from the local post office in Magalang. This will take a while
though, as we're planning on having one box arrive some time before xmas.

Ronny.

maning sambale wrote:
Can you refer some people I can purchase data loggers in Manila?

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Re: [talk-ph] GPS logger/receiver on Linux

2009-08-19 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.

Jim Morgan wrote:
 Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd. wrote, On Wednesday, 19 August, 2009 10:16 AM:
   
 Yep, TangoGPS is good stuff! I got the stable version from their
 website. Tried it this morning on a short walk. 
 

 Taking your laptop for a walk ... might be considered as a bit nerdy by some 
 ... :-)
   
You're joking! I find that perfectly normal :)
Not only that, I was actually walking with my two children as well, one
in the stroller (which had a perfect place for the eee on top, exactly
where I wanted it) and one beside it, who constantly wanted to see the
route we had walked as well. You can imagine explaining the urban canyon
effect to a 3 year old :)
  
   
 I am trying to get mtkbabel (http://sourceforge.net/projects/mtkbabel/)
 to download tracks from it 
 

 I seem to recall gpsbabel may help you out here getting the tracks off the 
 unit. If you're lucky and its in a format it understands ... Otherwise I 
 guess it wouldn't be too horrible to install the connection software on a 
 windows box which you could use when you need to pull off data files. 
   
Reading the docs of gpsbabel revealed that you can only download tracks
via USB cable. I've been trying to do it over bluetooth, so that
explains why I've been out of luck so far. First quick test leaves still
no joy, but this is a work in progress :)
I want to avoid having to maintain a windows box, even on a virtual
machine, just to download GPS tracks. I know that would be a simple
solution, but I'm looking for a good solution, not just *a* solution.
Progress doesn't happen by giving up - that's my excuse :)
The idea is that if I'm on a long trip, I can download the tracks to the
eee when the logger is getting full.
   
   
 I got josm working fine, but I'm a bit unfomfortable with it yet. 
 

 It really needs a bigger screen than the eeepc to use it well. Same with 
 Mercaartor. So it might be better to use these editors when you're back at 
 home rather than in the field. 
   
Yep, you're probably right. josm hardly fits on the screen actually,
even after removing the button bar.

 Jim
  

   
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Re: [talk-ph] GPS logger/receiver on Linux

2009-08-17 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.

Hi, guys,
Thanks Jim for useful info. I'm already running eeebuntu :) Installed it
within a few minutes after I received the computer.
I've done my research now and found that the MTK chipset is supposedly
superior to the SiRFStar-III, and when I got a great price on this one,
it made the choice easy:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=380145573933ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:GB:1123
The full name of the item is Transystems i-Blue 747 A+. Note that
there's also a 737, but it's a pure receiver with no logging.

I'm currently playing with various Linux software to make use of the
thing, including Navit, which is currently compiling. I will let you
know when I get it working.
Does anybody have any recommendations for tools/programs relevant to OSM
to use with Ubuntu?

Ronny.

Jim Morgan wrote:
Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd. wrote, On Tuesday, 28 July, 2009 04:46 AM:

Guys, I found I need to retire my old laptop, so I've ordered an eee PC
and I'm looking to get a GPS logger and receiver if I can only find one
that doesn't cost a fortune.

I've found these guys have some good prices.
http://www.expansys.com.hk/gps/gps-receivers

(They have a UK site as well. In fact its a UK company)

And this one looks as though it fits your general specs, except it doesn't do
bluetooth.
http://www.expansys.com.hk/d.aspx?i=149006

I'm 95% sure that if it supplies GPS over USB cable, then you can get Linux
to talk to it. I'd recommend installing eeeBuntu 3, which I just put on my
girlfriend's EEE. Very nicely done - everything works immediately and you
have access to the global Ubuntu repositories, so you can get your gpsd,
tangogps etc on there easily.

Contact me offlist if you want to go into techy details ...

Jim

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Re: [talk-ph] Draft MoA between the OSM-F and any possible localchapter

2009-07-27 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.

Sorry I missed this.
Yes, I still volunteer, and I'm going to the Phils in 3 weeks anyway, so
if it will happen between 3 and 7 weeks from now, perfect!
Ronny.


Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
 Ronny volunteered to be one of the incorporators before:
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2009-May/000901.html

 On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Andre Marcelo-Tanner
 an...@enthropia.com mailto:an...@enthropia.com wrote:

 no responses yet, need 1 more, 4 cannot make a company, need 5

 

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Re: [talk-ph] GPS reservation request

2009-07-17 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.



Jim Morgan wrote:
 Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd. wrote, On Tuesday, 14 July, 2009 06:52 PM:
   
 Thanks Jim, that is very useful! Will definitely check out one of those
 converters.
 

 You can probably get them anywhere, but I just found them on that site 
 recently. 
   
Yep, I was aware of their existence, I just didn't realize they were so
cheap :)
   
 I was thinking of simply collecting all the data and process it when we
 come home to Magalang, but it seems increasingly intriguing to bring a
 laptop and do edits directly on the road. Do you know if usable
 packages exit for Ubuntu that can act as a GPS with one of the loggers
 connected to the USB port?
 

 According to Maning, the guys in Davao did just that:
   
 The davao guys murlwe and smackcode used the gpstogo units with tangogps:
 http://mapping.ideacampdavao.com/2009/06/diy-gps-navigation-rig.html
 
This is perfect for mapping from a car, which is fortunately most of the
time.
However, if I go on a long trip on foot, the laptop will eventually run
out of battery, so I can't depend on logging straight to TagoGPS all the
time.


 I'm not sure how that worked exactly, but tangoGPS uses gpsd, so anything 
 that can communicate with that  will work. I was using a bluetooth dongle, 
 but a USB connection would work just as well, as long as Ubuntu recognises 
 it. You have to fiddle with rfcomm a bit I seem to remember. Hopefully those 
 pointers will give you enough to go on. 

   USB - rfcomm - gpsd - TangoGPS

 The only 'gotcha' with the GT-31 is that its waypoints dump needs to be 
 converted to a recognisable format on a windows box. So you'd sidestep that 
 if you were logging directly to TangoGPS.

 Jim

   
Very useful, Jim! Thanks a lot for that.
That gotcha is definitely a big gotcha. I don't stock windoze computers,
so that would be pretty annoying. *Does anyone know of any gps loggers
that can be bought for a reasonable amount of money that does NOT use
some obscure proprietary file format?*
I'm still in the UK so I can get one from here if needed.
I could always use my dusty old Win2k VM, which I'm sure I can dig out
from my backup hard drive somewhere, but I can't remember if USB was
even invented at that time, not do I know if it will work in VMWare. But
I really just want to avoid reliance on proprietary stuff. I want to be
able to help others with this after I've done it, and people that know
me knows very well that I will never say then just start up Windows to
download and convert this file. There must be a better solution.
Will search for some linux friendly GPS loggers on Amazon later :)

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Re: [talk-ph] GPS reservation request

2009-07-14 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.

Thanks Jim, that is very useful! Will definitely check out one of those
converters.
I was thinking of simply collecting all the data and process it when we
come home to Magalang, but it seems increasingly intriguing to bring a
laptop and do edits directly on the road. Do you know if usable
packages exit for Ubuntu that can act as a GPS with one of the loggers
connected to the USB port?
Ronny.

Jim Morgan wrote:
 Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd. wrote, On Sunday, 12 July, 2009 11:23 PM:
   
 A GPS logger with car charger would be preferable, unless they have
 battery life of up to two-three days. Please let me know if any are
 available. I assume you can use these things with Linux (Ubuntu)?
 

 The GPS to go units have a pretty good battery life - they seemed to go for 
 well over 24 hours on one charge. In addition they have a USB charger which 
 can be plugged into the cigarette lighter socket in the car. 

 If you're using them with a laptop (linux, tango gps etc), then probably your 
 biggest problem is going to be your laptop battery. In which case I came 
 across a bunch of cheap inverters the other day at CDR-King, which will power 
 any AC 240 volt device in a car. A 100 watt model was about 500 pesos, and a 
 500 watt version was just over 1000 pesos. Seemed like a good price.

 They're on the website, but I can't link directly to the page ... just search 
 for inverter in the product search.
   http://www.cdrking.com.ph/
 You'll probably have to go to one of the bigger branches to pick one up. 

 Jim


   
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Re: [talk-ph] GPS reservation request

2009-07-14 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.

Maning, that sounds very cool! I've been wanting to increase awareness
there and this could be a good way. I can ask my niece, who's studying
in Pampanga Agricultural College if she can spread the word in her
class, and maybe get some participants from there, hopefully teachers.
But to make it affective, I think at least 1 or 2 of you veterans
would be good.
Ronny.

maning sambale wrote:
Hmmm a mapping party in Pampanga? Anyone?

On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo
Ltd.r...@develo.ltd.uk wrote:

Hi guys,
We're planning a trip to the Phils and thought it would be a good idea
to use the opportunity to do some traces at the same time. It'll be
mostly around Magalang, Pampanga, but also in the neighboring towns like
Angeles, Dau and hopefully a trip to Mt. Pinatubo (into the crater). I
hope to be able to map some unmapped territory while I'm there.
I put a reservation request here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/GPStogo_program#Reservation_requests
A GPS logger with car charger would be preferable, unless they have
battery life of up to two-three days. Please let me know if any are
available. I assume you can use these things with Linux (Ubuntu)?

The davao guys murlwe and smackcode used the gpstogo units with tangogps:
http://mapping.ideacampdavao.com/2009/06/diy-gps-navigation-rig.html

@ murlwe and smackcode,

Is it possible to use the cyclemap instead of the the default osm map
within tangogps? That would be a better map to use in pinatubo.

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Re: [talk-ph] philippine speed limits

2009-06-27 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.

Hehehe, I was quite surprised myself!
Usually when they pull me over, the police will invent some laws on the
spot or refer to an ancient sign that everyone, including themselves,
ignore - if it's even visible. But of course they decided to enforce it
right now, while 350 other cars are breaking the exact same law during
the time we argue about it - yey! Yep, can't help but to love those guys
:) Can't be easy though, enforcing laws most people don't know exist.
Fines also seem to be random, but luckily it's possible to bargain...
Would still prefer a more structured and fair system though.

People lose respect for the law when it's ridiculous, irrelevant or both
- something which is painfully evident.
I think they should make the traffic laws a wiki! At least someone would
update them every now and then :)
Ronny.

Jim Morgan wrote:
 Wait ... there are traffic laws here!? ;-)

 Jim

 maning sambale wrote, On Thursday, 25 June, 2009 10:46 PM:
   
 In the absence of max_speed data in osmph roads, I'm looking at
 putting default values for garmin gps routing.  The Philippine law is
 not very helpful and is probably obsolete:
 http://www.lawphil.net/statutes/repacts/ra1964/ra_4136_1964.html

 See
 CHAPTER IV TRAFFIC RULES ARTICLE I
 Speed Limit and Keeping to the Right

 

   
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Re: [talk-ph] tagging distinctly Philippine POIs

2009-06-17 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.

Very interesting conversation!
I often wonder which tag to put on certain POIs and sometimes resort to
guessing, which of course is not good. What if we use this discussion as
a basis for a wiki page for Pinoy POIs, sort of like a dictionary of
amenities, like:
MMDA urinals - see toilets
Toilets - amenity=toilets; fee=yes/no
Newspaper stand - shop=newsagent
Cockfighting arena - sport=cockfighting
Multipurpose hall - building=yes; amenity=public_building
etc.
I would include the generic world wide ones as well, so we can use this
as a guideline for how to tag stuff when in doubt.

Or is there already such a page?
Ronny.

ian lopez wrote:
 For pay toilets, amenity=toilets; fee=yes, while shop=newsagent is for
 newspaper stands (I think). for DVD shops, I think that there is no
 tag for it. The big G has Quiapo DVD (somewhat prominent when you
 look at it), but I think that we can't tag it since it is somewhat
 illegal. Basketball courts are easy, use sport=basketball. AFAIK,
 multipurpose buildings should be building=yes,
 amenity=public_building. In some places, I tag cockfighting arenas as
 sport=cockfighting, though a good number of people outside the
 Philippines do not consider sabong as a sport (and illegal in some
 places). Yellow Cab is a pizza place, most likely to be tagged as
 amenity=restaurant.

 Regarding MMDA's urinals, it should be amenity=toilets, fee=no (from
 what I know, most, if not all of its urinals are used for free),
 operator=Metropolitan Manila Development Authority

 --- On *Wed, 6/17/09, Rally de Leon /rall...@gmail.com/* wrote:


 From: Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [talk-ph] tagging distinctly Philippine POIs
 To: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
 Cc: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
 Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 5:08 PM

 (not all are distinctly ph poi's, but for the sake of discussion, here
 are some POI examples i know or don't know):

 -Ukay-ukay / Wagwagan
 -Hilot (manghihilot / mangtatawas)
 -Daycare - is this classified as a school?
 -Multipurpose Hall / Barangay Covered Courts - that cannot be plainly
 classified as basketball court.
 -Store that only sells LPG tank (gasul)
 -Junkshop (buy and sells scrap)
 -Store that primarily sells reconditioned and surplus equipments
 (eg. HMR)
 -Barangay Outpost or Police Outpost (small booth only, not barangay
 hall or police station)
 -FX Terminal (including a tag for their route destination, eg.
 crossing, ayala, megamall)
 -Newspaper stand (Tabloid / Broadsheet) - some sari-sari store sell
 newspaper, bulgar, taliba, most don't.
 -Pay Restrooms (distinction between free/public and pay restroom)
 -Auction houses/yard like the ones in subic (or are these just
 considered buildings?)
 -DIY shop that is specialized in electronic/speaker/radio parts, not a
 typical hardware (Raon-type of store, more like a radioshack
 equivalent, or Kuryente) - or just generalize this as hardware shop?
 -free-standing betting stations/ pagcor / lotto outlets and alikes
 -DVD DVD (or is this supposed to be secret) ;-)

 -clear and easy guideline which are considered fastfood and
 restaurant. as we don't want too many POI icons on the map.
 Eg. If you pay first (at the counter before you eat), then it's
 FASTFOOD (eg. mcdo, jollibee, greenwich, and those at regular food
 courts, including burger machine and good burger).
 If you eat-first-then-pay-the-bill, then we generally put it under
 RESTAURANT (especially if there's a waiter).

 except for the free-standing semi-permanent fishball/isaw/shawarma
 stand/kiosk (and alikes) where you eat first, then pay all the
 fishballs you've eaten. Is this classified as fastfood or simply
 snack stand?

 So is yellow cab or goldilocks a restaurant or a fastfood?

 i believe goldilocks and redribbon falls under bakeshop? so
 therefore, as long as they sell cake, even if they sell fastfood, the
 priority tag must be bakeshop. is this ok? that way, we use lesser and
 easier to identify POI icons (for use on mobile devices)


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Re: [talk-ph] tag for vulcanizing shops

2009-06-16 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.

As OSM originated in the UK, they would write tyre rather than tire
so it's hard to say which one to use. I think, to avoid confusion and
because it's more accurate shop=vulcanizing is a good tag for a
vulcanizing shop :)
Ronny.

Nacario Neil wrote:
 shop=vulcanizing

 or

 shop=tire







 - Original Message 
 From: George Tujan gtu...@gmail.com
 To: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
 Cc: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
 Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:14:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [talk-ph] tag for vulcanizing shops

 why not just use
 amenity=vulcanizing?

 btw, what should be the attributes/tag for government offices?
 can we just set a generic tag (that will show up on the map) for POIs
 marked that will be updated/identified later?

 On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:09 AM, maning
 sambaleemmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
   
 amenity=tire?

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Re: [talk-ph] gps traces from a delivery service company

2009-06-10 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.

Totally agree,
the more tracks the better.
On your number 2, do we have time stamps as well for the tracks that are
submitted? Is this normally stored in the GPX trances?
If we have loads of tracks, that's potentially very useful data!
I think when I go back there and I buy a GPS, I might drive around with
it constantly gathering data, and upload it. If 1000s of people did
that, we'll have a massive resource for route planning. LTO and DPWH
would probably find this very useful as well :)
Ronny.

maning sambale wrote:
 On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Rally de Leonrall...@gmail.com wrote:
   
 We only need a few quality tracks.
 
 Generally, I am in favor of uploading the GPX traces in OSM even if
 you don't think your personal traces is not very much useful to
 others.
 Who knows in the future, some OSM hacker might:
 1. use multiple traces to interpolate road width;

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3564/3613408786_f4fb5f791b_o.jpg
 that's edsa by the way from josm

 2. analyze timestamps and point intervals, to interpolate traffic and
 average speed at certain times of the day.


   
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Re: [talk-ph] change road type based on road condition

2009-06-05 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.

What about downgrading it to a track to reflect its de facto standard? :)
Ronny.

maning sambale wrote:
 Hi,

 A mapper pointed me to this discussion re: removing a road network
 because of the bad road condition and is currently under repair
 http://www.roadguide.ph/forums/showpost.php?p=5911postcount=1

 I don't think removing the segment is good,  even though it's full of
 potholes, I believe it is still being used by locals.

 Any additional tag we can add?

 potholes=many
 smoothness=horrible
 locals=nasty

 :)

   

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[talk-ph] addr:has_apartments / addr:apartment_number_format

2009-06-02 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.

Guys,
I re-read this page, which I made some edits to a couple of months ago:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Philippine_addressing#Proposed_schema
I added the following tags, which based upon my experience will provide
very valuable information for later address verification and other
automated tasks:
|addr:has_apartments
||addr:apartment_number_format

At the time of edit, I read the heading (Proposed schema) and went
ahead with my proposal. This time I read the subtitle:
 I suggest we adopt the Karlsruhe Schema and adopt all possible tags
that fit the Philippines
 Tags

 The following tags are defined *and in common use*:

Note: My two suggested tags are not in common use, they are my
suggestions only. So if they are inappropriate, feel free to remove them.
If the community decides to keep them, a similar syste||m could be used
for an addr:house_number_format tag on street level.|
|Ronny.
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[talk-ph] bocaue / balintawak / toll gates + round abouts

2009-04-11 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.

I'm fixing some things on NLEX, but I'm not so familiar in this area
(apart form driving past there numerous times).
Is this the Bocaue toll barrier?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.80428lon=120.94194zoom=16
I'm assuming this is Balintawak toll barrier:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.67846lon=121.00214zoom=15

I was playing around a bit with the Dau Toll Barrier, but I'm beginning
to think I might have made a bit too much of an effort here:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=15.17075lon=120.60918zoom=16

Is there any recommendation for how to deal with issues like this:
- what do we call them (toll gates/barriers/booths)?
- how to tag them so that GPS navigators will deal with them in a
sensible way?
- is it a goo idea to do like I did in Dau, extending the one way path
tagged lanes=2 into however many lanes there are in the toll gate, or
is it better to keep it a single path and just tag it lanes=n instead,
positioning the path approximately in the middle?

The same goes for roundabouts. I've been quite accurate when making
them, letting the roads leading in and out enter the roundabout the way
the traffic normally flows (or is supposed to flow, if anybody were
following the rules), splitting them in two tiny one-way streets to show
the exact flow of the traffic in and out of the roundabout.
Is this a waste of time?
Should I rather just let the road go straight into the roundabout
without splitting it?
Examples:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=15.152958lon=120.592369zoom=18
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=15.161103lon=120.609488zoom=18
I'm trying to make the map usable for GPS navigation, but I'm not sure
if this is the best way to achieve that.
Any advice is appreciated.

Ronny.

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Re: [talk-ph] routing problems in Pampanga area

2009-04-10 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.

Finding this route slightly peculiar, I followed McArthur highway and
fixed some things that I though was obviously wrong. Most of these are
from my memory, with good help from Yahoo's imagery.
These are my main edits. If someone local could verify my changes that
would be great.

- made a new roundabout and connected lots of ways near the bridge south
of Brgy Balibago Angeles going to town proper:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=15.15404lon=120.59294zoom=17

- connected a few unconnected ways in this amazingly detailed
intersection:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=15.0394lon=120.68183zoom=17 (whoever
produced this amazing detail did a great job!)

- the same here:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=15.05036lon=120.69596zoom=16

- deleted duplicate section of McArthur here:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.9793lon=120.766zoom=13 (sorry,
after deleting, I realized it may have been two separated lanes, but
neither was marked as one way. I also connected the ends to the next
section.

- straightened and connected unconnected point on McArthur here:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=15.0338lon=120.6978zoom=14 (I can't
remember this diversion road so I set it as unclassified, please correct
me if my memory is letting me down)

- also, could someone local to Angeles / San Fernando verify this weird
diversion of McArthur?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=15.12082lon=120.60352zoom=16

Ronny.

maning sambale wrote:
 Hi,

 I found a couple of routing errors near Pampanga
 The shortest route from Bacolor to North of Angeles directs me to
 SCTEX not to the primary road along San Fernando to Angeles City.
 Please verify road intersections along this area.
 link: 
 http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=15.019941flon=120.66741tlat=15.251051tlon=120.563469v=motorcarfast=0layer=mapnik
   

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Re: [talk-ph] gpstogo units available

2009-04-03 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.

Yeah, I was also wondering which route you would take to achieve that :)

maning sambale wrote:
 On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Marloue Pidor mur...@mail2engineer.com 
 wrote:
   
 Another one will be traveling from Davao to Manila by land next week.
 
 Whoa! Totoo ba ito?  By land from Davao to Manila?


   
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[talk-ph] Timog/Quezon aves

2009-03-26 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.

I was just browsing and I seem to remember that at the end of Timog Ave,
where it meets Quezon Ave, the last bit of road is blocked, because you
can't go left there as would make a total chaos :)
I corrected it, but I was unsure of exactly how to mark it. Could
someone verify and also, if you happen to be in the area, could you
verify if my memory is as good as I think it is? :)
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.636952lon=121.026532zoom=19
Ronny.

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[talk-ph] sample addresses

2009-03-21 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.

In preparing for the address entry system, it would be useful to have a
lot of different address types, so we know we will be able to handle all
of them.
If they can be listed like this, it will make complete sense for
everyone: (including me :) )

999 San Nicolas Dos - House Number + Barangay (note: Dos is
frequently replaced by 2 or II)
Magalang, Pampanga 2011 - Town, Province + postal code

99 Gen. Segundo St. - House Number + Street name
Heroes Hill - Area or Subdivision
Quezon City - City

Rizal Street 999- Street name + house number
Barangay Lourdes- Barangay
Angeles City 2009   - City + postal code

Ground Floor, Manzen Bldg   - Floor + Building name
Santo Rosario St- Street
Angeles, 2009   - City (note lack of word city) + postal code
(this one i particularly annoying, as I could walk up and down the
entire Sto Rosario St without ever figuring out which building it is, as
building names rarely are advertised very visibly. Our db and system
should ideally be able to translate this into a house number)

Lot 99 Blk. 1 Road Lot 6 Phase 1  - lot number + block number + ? +
phase number
Pacific Heights Subd. - subdivision
Brgy. Tamayo, Calaca  - barangay + area within barangay (?)
Batangas City - city

Lot 3 Blk 11  - lot number + block number
Lipa Country Estate Bulacnin  - Subdivision + I assume Bulacnin is
either an area or a barangay (?)
Lipa City - city

Lot 18 Blk 18 Phase 3B- lot number + block number + phase
number (and letter!)
The Ridge Brgy. San Gregorio  - subdivision name and barangay (note
lack of comma)
Laurel, Batangas  - town, province

If we can compile a list of all kinds of normal and weird addresses and
their meaning, that would be great! Then we can make it as easy as
possible to first of all enter them, but secondly, automatically detect
them and match with an existing address in the database.

Ronny.

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Re: [talk-ph] seeing new mappers lately

2009-02-02 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.

I, for one, appreciated the message when you sent it to me. I joined
this list and added my name in the wiki because of it, and I think it's
a nice gesture - and very important for building the community.
Maybe you could add a little disclaimer on the bottom, for the kabalat
kapaya (sensitive) people out there, explaining that it's a personal
greeting, where you got the email address from and that no more email
will be send as a result of this, so if you don't want to see any more
emails like this, you don't have to do anything. Unless you will be in
touch, this is the first and last.. Something like that.
Ronny.


maning sambale wrote:
 Hi,

 I'm seeing new mappers around Metro manila and other areas lately.
 Anybody here welcoming them?
 I stopped doing it when I was labeled a spammer by another
 contributor.  Maybe my message of welcoming and invitation is too
 spammish.
 Can we craft a better non-spammish message for new mappers?

 Here's what I wrote before, feel free to improve.

 
 Hi! Just to want to say welcome to OSM Philippines!

 Little by little we are getting more contributors for the Philippines
 particularly in Metro Manila and adjacent provinces, more roads are
 added every week. I see your adding data, thank you for your
 contributions!

 We have a wikipage for coordinating things a bit:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/WikiProject_Philippines

 Also our mailinglist is:
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-ph

 Please add your name in the wiki and where you intend to to focus mapping.

 If you need help feel free to send us a message in talk-ph mailinglist.

 cheers,

 maning
 

   

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[talk-ph] Magalang disappearing when zooming out

2009-01-27 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.

I'm just a bit puzzled,
how come, when Magalang and Arayat appears fine here:
http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=15.153lon=120.678zoom=11layers=0B00FTF
If you zoom out, both Magalang and Arayat disappears, despite there is
more than enough space for the names on the map. However
I even tried moving the name Magalang a bit further out to make sure it
does not crash with Mabalacat or Clark Special Economic Zone. I don't
understand why Mexico and Mabalacat stays while Magalang and Arayat does
not? Funnily, using Mapnik instead of Osmarender yields completely
different results.

How does Osmarender (and Mapnik for that matter) calculate which names
to show and which to hide? I can't find any logic in this, and am at a
loss trying to rectify it.
Secondly, is there anything I can do to tell the rendering engine which
names have the same importance (or level)?

Ronny.

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Re: [talk-ph] Magalang disappearing when zooming out

2009-01-27 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.

Thanks, Eugene.
I updated some tags so that Mabalacat are Magalang are more similar (and
at the same time completing more information of course), as there were a
few differences. I'll see in a few days if that change did any good. If
not, I'll file a bug.
Ronny.

Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
 The topic of which labels get priority or not has been discussed often
 at the main talk mailing list. As far as I know, there's no agreed
 upon solution yet for tagging for importance especially for settlements.

 On the other hand, Mapnik renders both labels fine so it must be a
 rendering issue and there shouldn't be any tweaking of the tags just
 to force those labels to appear. You might want to file a trac bug for
 this; t...@h/Osmarender shouldn't be too choosy with name clashes; it
 clashes street names anyway at higher zoom levels.


 On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 6:30 AM, Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.
 r...@develo.ltd.uk mailto:r...@develo.ltd.uk wrote:

 I'm just a bit puzzled,
 how come, when Magalang and Arayat appears fine here:
 http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=15.153lon=120.678zoom=11layers=0B00FTF
 http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=15.153lon=120.678zoom=11layers=0B00FTF
 If you zoom out, both Magalang and Arayat disappears, despite there is
 more than enough space for the names on the map. However
 I even tried moving the name Magalang a bit further out to make
 sure it
 does not crash with Mabalacat or Clark Special Economic Zone. I don't
 understand why Mexico and Mabalacat stays while Magalang and
 Arayat does
 not? Funnily, using Mapnik instead of Osmarender yields completely
 different results.

 How does Osmarender (and Mapnik for that matter) calculate which names
 to show and which to hide? I can't find any logic in this, and am at a
 loss trying to rectify it.
 Secondly, is there anything I can do to tell the rendering engine
 which
 names have the same importance (or level)?

 Ronny.

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Re: [talk-ph] editing some in angeles area

2008-12-28 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.

Maning,
I've done almost all the major streets of Magalang, which is just near
Angeles, and a few bits and bobs in Angeles (such as the expressway
exit), Arayat and Mexico. I am new to OSM, so I am learning while doing.
Can you direct me to a couple of examples of unconnected intersections
and tell me how to fix it. I just want to make sure I'm doing it the
right way.
Ronny.

Maning Sambale wrote:
 Hi,

 I passed by Angeles, Pampanga (in the OSM sense) last night and it is
 progressing rapidly.  One thing I noticed is, there are a couple of
 unconnected intersections.  So I added intersection nodes to some.

 Cheers to those mapping this area.

   

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