Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset comment function
Definitely a handy feature for getting in touch with mystery editors in a context-sensitive way. On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 4:36 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: I would like to personally thank ukasiu, emacsen, woodpeck and TomH for developing and deploying this. A much wanted and needed feature. Simon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset comment function
On 03/11/14 01:14, Serge Wroclawski wrote: Yes, that's a good idea for sure. It's something I didn't have on the roadmap, but after just a day of using the feature in real life, I already want it. Another possible sidetrack for this mechanism would be a little more difficult to link in, but taking an analogy from the DVCS book, rather than discussing after the event, proposed changes that get refined before a change set is actually created. There is a thread on the talk-gb list about various changes of shop names. If each of those had it's own 'push' request and the fine detail could be hammered out then committed once agreed ... rather than pulling it apart in later discussions on that changeset? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Changeset comment function
I would like to personally thank ukasiu, emacsen, woodpeck and TomH for developing and deploying this. A much wanted and needed feature. Simon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset comment function
I like! Do you know if people comment on a changeset you make, will you automatically get an e-mail mentioning said comment, or will you be in the dark and have to stumble across said comment? -James ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset comment function
On 02/11/14 10:47, James Mast wrote: I like! Do you know if people comment on a changeset you make, will you automatically get an e-mail mentioning said comment, or will you be in the dark and have to stumble across said comment? Yes you will get as email, as will anybody else that has previously commented on that changeset. You can also choose to subscribe to the changeset without actually leaving a comment, in which case you will get emails. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset comment function
Wonderful. Thank you and well done, ukasiu, emacsen, woodpeck and TomH. Great to have this long anticipated option. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset comment function
Great job! Is there an API to get comments? I didn't find such on the wiki. Also, are anonymous comments allowed? Le 2 nov. 2014 12:20, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com a écrit : Wonderful. Thank you and well done, ukasiu, emacsen, woodpeck and TomH. Great to have this long anticipated option. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset comment function
On Nov 2, 2014 6:29 AM, Vincent Privat vinc...@josm.openstreetmap.de wrote: Great job! Is there an API to get comments? I didn't find such on the wiki. Also, are anonymous comments allowed? I had to sign in. Seems like anonymous comments are not allowed. But let's check the code? This appears to be the commit. I'm looking for the api stuff. :-) https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/commit/2f228437324d80cb8a408d27912cc716a36aa3b0 Thanks again everybody! Le 2 nov. 2014 12:20, "Richard Weait" rich...@weait.com a crit : Wonderful. Thank you and well done, ukasiu, emacsen, woodpeck and TomH. Great to have this long anticipated option. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset comment function
On Sun, 02 Nov 2014 11:36:38 +0100 Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: A much wanted and needed feature. I'm not attempting to disparage the hard work of those who contributed to this feature but it is not immediately apparent to me how this feature should be used. Perhaps one of those people who needed this feature could give a brief description of why it is useful and when it would be appropriate to use this method rather than sending a PM? -- Regards, Andy Street ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset comment function
On 02/11/14 11:48, Andy Street wrote: A much wanted and needed feature. I'm not attempting to disparage the hard work of those who contributed to this feature but it is not immediately apparent to me how this feature should be used. Perhaps one of those people who needed this feature could give a brief description of why it is useful and when it would be appropriate to use this method rather than sending a PM? Personally I find this a missing link in discussion on changes that have been made to the data. A private message may be appropriate if you do not want public discussion, but often like the current debate on the talk-gb list about 'automatic updates', people who were not originally involved spot problems that they can either add their own fix for, but a note on the problematic original change may well flag other similar corrections which private messaging can never initiate. I would probably go on to propose that grouping a large number of similar but data wise unrelated changes be flagged as bad practice so that elements of a change CAN be discussed better via this mechanism. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset comment function
On 02/11/2014, Andy Street a...@street.me.uk wrote: On Sun, 02 Nov 2014 11:36:38 +0100 Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: I'm not attempting to disparage the hard work of those who contributed to this feature but it is not immediately apparent to me how this feature should be used. Perhaps one of those people who needed this feature could give a brief description of why it is useful and when it would be appropriate to use this method rather than sending a PM? The most immediate use I see is for the original changeset author, to amend a comment that was empty, lacking or wrong. Maybe at another contributor's request. I sometimes PM to ask are you sure about that changeset ?; the new feature allows this discussoon to happen in public where it belongs. It might nice to be able to CC somebody when commenting, as an easy to notify the DWG for example. But maybe PMs or MLs are still a better tool for that ? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset comment function
I hope to use changeset discussions to publicly thanks new mappers in my area as a way to encourage them. We have many communication tools at our disposal, lists, fora, PM, social media, local meetings. Such diversity of channels allows subtleties of application. :-) The potential risks are dilution of messages, and (over-)repetition across channels. So we'll want to watch that. I think changeset discussions might be as instantly-useful as Mikel's addition of the map of changeset bounding boxes. To me they both inspire, Wow, that is so helpful! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset comment function
On 02/11/2014 11:48, Andy Street wrote: On Sun, 02 Nov 2014 11:36:38 +0100 Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: A much wanted and needed feature. I'm not attempting to disparage the hard work of those who contributed to this feature but it is not immediately apparent to me how this feature should be used. Perhaps one of those people who needed this feature could give a brief description of why it is useful and when it would be appropriate to use this method rather than sending a PM? Similar to what Andy says, there's nothing wrong with this, but I'm failing to understand the benefits over existing PMs: https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2014/11/02/introducing-changeset-discussions/ This example just mentions a cafe in a changeset that could be full of cafe amendments. For it to be clear which one is under discussion a hyperlink to the node/way still needs to be given which can just as easily be supplied in a PM. As this still a direct message between two users, to truly make it 'public' how does a third party become aware of the messages? Can I get a notification if it falls within 'my area'? David F. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset comment function
Andy, This is a good question. I'd hoped to write the blog post about the feature before it went live, but it didn't happen. I did end up writing it, and in my blog post, I presented several use case scenarios for it: https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2014/11/02/introducing-changeset-discussions/ As for utility vs PMs, I'd argue that a majority of the time when communicating to someone about something OSM DB related, this should be the preferred method. You can think of this as something akin to the Discussion page on a wiki. If you compliment someone on their work, make it public. If you have a question, make it public, etc. I'd say the need for PMs in OSM should be greatly diminished with the introduction of this feature. - Serge ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset comment function
Fantastic to see Changeset Comments (or discussions: yes, agree a more clear label). Question: Is there a way to see a list of all the Changesets I have discussed? or have subscribed to? If not, count this as a suggestion! Thanks! -Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron On Sunday, November 2, 2014 6:58 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: Andy, This is a good question. I'd hoped to write the blog post about the feature before it went live, but it didn't happen. I did end up writing it, and in my blog post, I presented several use case scenarios for it: https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2014/11/02/introducing-changeset-discussions/ As for utility vs PMs, I'd argue that a majority of the time when communicating to someone about something OSM DB related, this should be the preferred method. You can think of this as something akin to the Discussion page on a wiki. If you compliment someone on their work, make it public. If you have a question, make it public, etc. I'd say the need for PMs in OSM should be greatly diminished with the introduction of this feature. - Serge ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset comment function
Mikel, Short answer: Not at this time. Longer answer: Yes, that's a good idea for sure. It's something I didn't have on the roadmap, but after just a day of using the feature in real life, I already want it. There are a bunch of other features that would be nice to implement based changeset discussions, some of which gave been discussed on the thread, and some of which haven't been. But after the GSoC window ended, Tom decided that we'd push to get the main functionality in place first, and then we could always add more. I completely agree with him on this. If we tried to do it all at once, it would just end up delaying things. You've already written code for osm.org, so you might even have less of a ramp-up time to create a patch for this than even I would (I haven't looked at this code since the summer). - Serge ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
