Re: [OSM-talk] Subscribe to feeds of changes in your area with Changepipe
Michal: http://migurski.github.com/Changepipe/ Serge: http://matt.dev.openstreetmap.org/owl_viewer/ Colin: http://www.itoworld.com/product/osm/map I would be interested to know how Changepipe compares to both of the above. Perhaps I'll have to email a polygon... Owl is great in that it only tells you about changes in your bbox and not changesets that are larger than your bbox, cover the bbox, but contain no changes within it. It does fall behind occasionally, but when it is up-to-date it is great (though usually too overloaded to view the tiles on the site itself). The ITOworld product does great visualisations of changes in your area and lets you filter them in various ways, but only seems to cover ways so wouldn't report on new/edited/deleted POIs (unless this has changed recently). Ed ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Change in OSM Inspector License View/WTFE
One possible enhancement would be a filter, so you could show e.g. only highways or only waterways. I don't know how complicated this would be. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Change in OSM Inspector License View/WTFE
On 2/1/2012 12:05 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: http://wtfe.gryph.de/report/way/5656569 This should answer the question of why is something red/orange/yellow/unmarked. If you find anything strange with that, let me know too. I'm confused. http://wtfe.gryph.de/report/way/11023229 is marked as harmless, but the JOSM plugin says it's possible data loss. I cleaned it two weeks ago, so it's not a case of lag. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Subscribe to feeds of changes in your area with Changepipe
Nice. GeoRSS? I would really love to see these kind of monitoring tools baked into osm.org... * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron From: Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com To: openstreetmap Openstreetmap talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2012 2:15 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] Subscribe to feeds of changes in your area with Changepipe Hi, I'm experimenting with minutely diffs and I made this: http://migurski.github.com/Changepipe/ Want me to bake you a feed of fresh OSM changesets for your area? Draw a polygon and mail to me following the directions on the page! -mike. michal migurski- m...@stamen.com 415.558.1610 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM @ FOSDEM?
Michael Kugelmann schrieb: BTW: ist there somebody from the OSM community at the friday beer event? http://www.fosdem.org/2012/beerevent I'll be there, but probably more with the Mozilla folks in the end. Robert Kaiser ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Subscribe to feeds of changes in your area with Changepipe
On 02/02/12 13:58, Mikel Maron wrote: I would really love to see these kind of monitoring tools baked into osm.org... As I'm sure you're well aware you will have them as soon as Matt gets OWL up and running on the dedicated server we provided for the task. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Critical Mass for license change-over
andrzej zaborowski schrieb: Assignment of your rights requires a written agreement in some jurisdictions so there's no talk of that. Mozilla, Facebook, etc, as you say, require a grant of the right to sublicense and other rights. No, Mozilla has no sublicense requirement. And Facebook is proprietary and completely different anyhow. Yes, of course, I think it is Mike DuPont who said give away. But obviously we're talking about the grant of rights. Yes, every open soruce license is a grant of rights, as that's the basic definition of open. If there wouldn't be a grant of any rights, no license would be needed at all, as copyright law in various countries covers not being able to use other people's work pretty well. All we are about is being able to use other people's work, though. Robert Kaiser ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-talk] odbl non-agreement and humanitarian exceptions.
Hi All, Apologies for any overlap in recipients for this - I very rarely post to mailing lists, so I am not sure how wide a net for this issue would be appropriate. There was a discussion on the #osm irc channel recently about the possibility of approaching non-agreers to the new CT about any data they may have contributed to areas where the removal of such data could have a negative effect on our humanitarian efforts. Looking for example at how much data we stand to lose in Haiti, this is something that may limit the difficulty of those that are on the ground in these places and struggling to remap. The possibility of haing a bounding box around areas such as these was mentioned - and there is aparantly a precedent for a users data within a BB being retained. Any thoughts, comments, or points? Thanks, Larry O'Neill ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Subscribe to feeds of changes in your area with Changepipe
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com wrote: Hi, I'm experimenting with minutely diffs and I made this: http://migurski.github.com/Changepipe/ Want me to bake you a feed of fresh OSM changesets for your area? Draw a polygon and mail to me following the directions on the page! -mike. Yes, cool. I'd love to try it. I just drew something. Finished up with a double click. Polygon turns orange. The box below says 'draw something above'. Repeat. Anyway, I'm interested in Salt Lake City ;) Like others, I wonder how this will relate to OWL, which is about to get its own server. It would be good to have one tool for monitoring. I looked at OWL before but the core is C++ . Would there be a way to consolidate? -- martijn van exel geospatial omnivore 1109 1st ave #2 salt lake city, ut 84103 801-550-5815 http://oegeo.wordpress.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [CrisisMappers] odbl non-agreement and humanitarian exceptions.
(Added talk-ht@osm as that might well reach some ppl involved that the other lists don't.) Having bn part of the below-mentioned #OSM IRC discussion (finally using irc after 15 years of avoiding, ayii!) Here's my 2 cents: The OSM Haiti data's v1 odbl complient edit rates for nodes and ways are 68% and 54%, respectively. v1+last edit comopliency rates are 89 and 95%, respectively. These figures r for data of the whole island and the losses in DR are _significantly_ higher. That will have a partial impact on e.g. Local OpenGeo-related economic activity, which has a direct link with local sustainable hunanitarian activities and all data activity on the Haitian side. In any case the direct impact is -- in my guesstimate -- to at least a quarter of Haiti data. And the viability of OSM will take a clear hit because of this. And that impacts humanitarian use without a doubt. Unless there's a renewed interest to help remap Haiti from the community -- or(/and) the data damage is limited in some ways. The thing is that we (in and currently actively involved with Haiti mapping) are limited in capacity to do more advanced data loss mitigation and I think also the capacity to remap is limited in a number of ways. So, having heard that some gave and got a special right to allow retaining his data in OSM for a given bbox _in the U.S._ I don't see why we wouldn't try that in Haiti as well as other humanitarian operations areas. With best regards from Haiti, -Jaakko http://osm.org/user/jaakkoh Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Larry O'Neill larryone...@gmail.com Sender: crisismapp...@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 15:23:10 To: hoth...@openstreetmap.org; crisismapp...@googlegroups.com; OSM Talktalk@openstreetmap.org Reply-To: crisismapp...@googlegroups.com Subject: [CrisisMappers] odbl non-agreement and humanitarian exceptions. Hi All, Apologies for any overlap in recipients for this - I very rarely post to mailing lists, so I am not sure how wide a net for this issue would be appropriate. There was a discussion on the #osm irc channel recently about the possibility of approaching non-agreers to the new CT about any data they may have contributed to areas where the removal of such data could have a negative effect on our humanitarian efforts. Looking for example at how much data we stand to lose in Haiti, this is something that may limit the difficulty of those that are on the ground in these places and struggling to remap. The possibility of haing a bounding box around areas such as these was mentioned - and there is aparantly a precedent for a users data within a BB being retained. Any thoughts, comments, or points? Thanks, Larry O'Neill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CrisisMappers group. To post to this group, send email to crisismapp...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to crisismappers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/crisismappers?hl=en. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Subscribe to feeds of changes in your area with Changepipe
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com wrote: Hi, I'm experimenting with minutely diffs and I made this: http://migurski.github.com/Changepipe/ Want me to bake you a feed of fresh OSM changesets for your area? Draw a polygon and mail to me following the directions on the page! Yes, cool. I'd love to try it. I just drew something. Finished up with a double click. Polygon turns orange. The box below says 'draw something above'. Repeat. It's not entirely intuitive. The 'send me an email' mailto link includes the polygon in the body. -Josh ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Subscribe to feeds of changes in your area with Changepipe
On Feb 2, 2012, at 7:59 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com wrote: Hi, I'm experimenting with minutely diffs and I made this: http://migurski.github.com/Changepipe/ Want me to bake you a feed of fresh OSM changesets for your area? Draw a polygon and mail to me following the directions on the page! -mike. Yes, cool. I'd love to try it. I just drew something. Finished up with a double click. Polygon turns orange. The box below says 'draw something above'. Repeat. Anyway, I'm interested in Salt Lake City ;) Like others, I wonder how this will relate to OWL, which is about to get its own server. It would be good to have one tool for monitoring. I looked at OWL before but the core is C++ . Would there be a way to consolidate? Hm - that box should have a long POLYGON or MULTIPOLYGON string in it when you've finished drawing, not draw something. What's your OS/browser? -mike. michal migurski- m...@stamen.com 415.558.1610 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] odbl non-agreement and humanitarian exceptions.
On 02/02/2012 16:23, Larry O'Neill wrote: Hi All, Apologies for any overlap in recipients for this - I very rarely post to mailing lists, so I am not sure how wide a net for this issue would be appropriate. There was a discussion on the #osm irc channel recently about the possibility of approaching non-agreers to the new CT about any data they may have contributed to areas where the removal of such data could have a negative effect on our humanitarian efforts. Looking for example at how much data we stand to lose in Haiti, this is something that may limit the difficulty of those that are on the ground in these places and struggling to remap. The possibility of haing a bounding box around areas such as these was mentioned - and there is aparantly a precedent for a users data within a BB being retained. Any thoughts, comments, or points? Thanks, Larry O'Neill Hi Larry, It looks as though there are no specific licensing issues as regards base data/photos used in Haiti [1]. The issue appears to be confined to mappers who have been active in the area but have either declined or not yet responded to requests to re-license? [2] We will need their individual permissions, the simplest way being just to ask them to respond to the new terms. Friendly, courteous messages coming from individual mappers working in the same area have been highly effective in a number of countries. I would expect it to be doubly so here. We can then revisit the issue in say, two weeks time and see if anyone is left. I am immediately going to ask for a Haiti/Dominican Republic link to be added to http://odbl.de/ and http://odbl.poole.ch/ Then you can just read off the names and status. Meanwhile, you can use the OSMI License View tool to get started. Here is an incomplete list I just grabbed using it: Exponent, Brent Miller, cetest, osmapb1, Tinono, rendle, Tinono, EvaStern, robbert, Sidneyleenen, Elle_M, DDDarek, veugelke, Mirko Küster, Eddy Frometa, Alfredo Gil, Jochen Plumeyer, llibre It is good know their status. You can do that by feeding them into http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ or seeing if they are on http://odbl.poole.ch/central-america-20111208-20120201-poly.html This wiki page can be used to coordinate efforts: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Asking_users_to_accept_the_ODbL Please do not hesitate to coordinate with us at le...@osmfoundation.org . We will do our best to assist. Mike License Working Group [1]. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue (Appears to be only Digital Orthophotos) [2] http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfelon=-71.35913lat=18.22309zoom=7opacity=0.69overlays=overview,wtfe_point_clean,wtfe_line_clean,wtfe_point_harmless,wtfe_line_harmless,wtfe_point_modified,wtfe_line_modified_cp,wtfe_line_modified,wtfe_point_created,wtfe_line_created_cp,wtfe_line_created ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Subscribe to feeds of changes in your area with Changepipe
On Feb 2, 2012, at 8:44 AM, Michal Migurski wrote: On Feb 2, 2012, at 7:59 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: Yes, cool. I'd love to try it. I just drew something. Finished up with a double click. Polygon turns orange. The box below says 'draw something above'. Repeat. Anyway, I'm interested in Salt Lake City ;) Hm - that box should have a long POLYGON or MULTIPOLYGON string in it when you've finished drawing, not draw something. What's your OS/browser? Oops, sorry Firefox users. Element.innerText wasn't working, but it should do the right thing now. -mike. michal migurski- m...@stamen.com 415.558.1610 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Subscribe to feeds of changes in your area with Changepipe
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com wrote: On Feb 2, 2012, at 7:59 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com wrote: Hi, I'm experimenting with minutely diffs and I made this: http://migurski.github.com/Changepipe/ Want me to bake you a feed of fresh OSM changesets for your area? Draw a polygon and mail to me following the directions on the page! -mike. Yes, cool. I'd love to try it. I just drew something. Finished up with a double click. Polygon turns orange. The box below says 'draw something above'. Repeat. Anyway, I'm interested in Salt Lake City ;) Like others, I wonder how this will relate to OWL, which is about to get its own server. It would be good to have one tool for monitoring. I looked at OWL before but the core is C++ . Would there be a way to consolidate? Hm - that box should have a long POLYGON or MULTIPOLYGON string in it when you've finished drawing, not draw something. What's your OS/browser? Up to date Firefox on Windows 7. It does work in up-to-date Chrome on the same platform. I just checked and can confirm that the email link *does* contain the polygon info in Firefox even if it doesn't display in the box underneath the map. -- martijn van exel geospatial omnivore 1109 1st ave #2 salt lake city, ut 84103 801-550-5815 http://oegeo.wordpress.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Subscribe to feeds of changes in your area with Changepipe
I didn't take it that way, Serge, but thank you. To be honest I didn't really think about OWL and ITOWorld when writing this. I was just looking for a minimally useful thing that handled polygons smoothly and was fast to set up. I was motivated by the potential needs of US users like Learon Dalby, who spoke at the Atlanta SOTM-US about his need for a way to see changes in Arkansas so that he could notify county GIS managers about them and make appropriate corrections to government data. Administrative boundaries are large, irregular shapes, and OWL seemed to be focused on small urban areas (correct me if I'm wrong about this). Mikel: I'm using Atom; can I just namespace GeoRSS into an Atom feed and have it work? Are bounding boxes for changesets the most useful thing, because I'm using node positions to calculate intersections. -mike. On Feb 2, 2012, at 7:55 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: I received some feedback that I was not very positive on this project. If my question came out that way, I want to publicly correct this perception. I find this code very exciting, and can see several potential uses for it already. - Serge On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 2:15 AM, Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com wrote: Hi, I'm experimenting with minutely diffs and I made this: http://migurski.github.com/Changepipe/ Want me to bake you a feed of fresh OSM changesets for your area? Draw a polygon and mail to me following the directions on the page! -mike. michal migurski- m...@stamen.com 415.558.1610 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk michal migurski- m...@stamen.com 415.558.1610 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Subscribe to feeds of changes in your area with Changepipe
This is kick-ass great, again. Dead-simple way to create areas to follow. I love it how easy it is to create the polygons -- and get the plain txt coordinates for them. Could this polygon tool pt b integrated w OWL? Can someone give guidance on visualizing the feed content? I'm copying this to both hot talk-ht as I just yesterday talked w Nico Brian about (and pulled hair out of my head due to) following edits in defined areas and know that this will help many operations on the field. I'll send the polygons later, Mike. Thnx! And cheers from the bumpy rds of PaP, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 08:57:59 To: openstreetmap Openstreetmaptalk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Subscribe to feeds of changes in your area with Changepipe I didn't take it that way, Serge, but thank you. To be honest I didn't really think about OWL and ITOWorld when writing this. I was just looking for a minimally useful thing that handled polygons smoothly and was fast to set up. I was motivated by the potential needs of US users like Learon Dalby, who spoke at the Atlanta SOTM-US about his need for a way to see changes in Arkansas so that he could notify county GIS managers about them and make appropriate corrections to government data. Administrative boundaries are large, irregular shapes, and OWL seemed to be focused on small urban areas (correct me if I'm wrong about this). Mikel: I'm using Atom; can I just namespace GeoRSS into an Atom feed and have it work? Are bounding boxes for changesets the most useful thing, because I'm using node positions to calculate intersections. -mike. On Feb 2, 2012, at 7:55 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: I received some feedback that I was not very positive on this project. If my question came out that way, I want to publicly correct this perception. I find this code very exciting, and can see several potential uses for it already. - Serge On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 2:15 AM, Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com wrote: Hi, I'm experimenting with minutely diffs and I made this: http://migurski.github.com/Changepipe/ Want me to bake you a feed of fresh OSM changesets for your area? Draw a polygon and mail to me following the directions on the page! -mike. michal migurski- m...@stamen.com 415.558.1610 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk michal migurski- m...@stamen.com 415.558.1610 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] odbl non-agreement and humanitarian exceptions.
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: [ ... ] Meanwhile, you can use the OSMI License View tool to get started. Here is an incomplete list I just grabbed using it: Exponent, Brent Miller, cetest, osmapb1, Tinono, rendle, Tinono, EvaStern, robbert, Sidneyleenen, Elle_M, DDDarek, veugelke, Mirko Küster, Eddy Frometa, Alfredo Gil, Jochen Plumeyer, llibre A new (to me) function on cleanmap[1] allows one to select a bounding box and see a list of all non-CT/ODbL authors in that area. The bb size is limited, but I was able to get a list of several dozen accounts who edited in PaP. Create your own bb for up to date info, or other areas, or start with this list retrieved a few minutes ago. http://weait.com/pap_non-ct.html [1] http://cleanmap.poole.ch/?zoom=9lat=19.05872lon=-72.34551layers=B00 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Re. Critical Mass for license change-over
So, to tie up the discussion. As in everything OSM, we should be transparent and crowd-sourced. A community rebuild group is beginning work on use the WTFE algorithm as a basis for the final rebuild. Its deliberations are public [1]. WTFE is indicating that roughly 2.6% of the database is affected if we rebuilt today. From the feedback received, it is important to check that is actually true or not before doing anything permanent. I am therefore strongly encouraging the group to not only develop the necessary re-build scripts but also test them in a manner that we can see, ideally in the form of a test map, on a *copy* of part or all of the OSM database. The OSM Foundation board is firmly committed to supporting and providing the resources the group may require. Meanwhile, the LWG will focus on further reducing the 2.6% by contacting undecided users, encouraging constructive remapping and resolving country issues. Our next step is to launch a global personal contact-and-remap campaign, (well, almost global, there remain some special cases). This has been piloted in a few countries and been very successful. Given the straight-line trends [2] I am confident that we will get a lot closer to a residual 1% of data that we will have to remove no matter what. Mike LWG [1] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/rebuild/ [2] http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/munin.html ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Night of the living maps 07.02.2012 - Avoid API congestion
And here are some problems: Thank you, Toby, for reporting these issues. I've just released a new version which solves the problems: 1) Activating this plugin seems to overwrite the default JOSM download action so the only way to start using the normal API again is to remove the plugin which doesn't seem entirely good. Fixed. 2) after I bring up the URL dialog, there is no way to dismiss it. I can also bring up multiple copies at the same time Fixed. 3) downloading via this plugin does not trigger JOSM's Draw boundaries of downloaded data feature. I've fixed it in the way that the plugin uses the requested bounding box to draw boundaries. Suggestion: Why require source changes and a recompile to change the URL? Just make the JComboBox editable. Done. I think I'll embed these URLs somehow in the settings, but I haven't yet figured out how. Cheers, Roland ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] odbl non-agreement and humanitarian exceptions.
http://odbl.poole.ch/haiti-domrep-20111208-20120201-poly.html Most of Mirkos stuff is in Santo Domingo so not that relevant. Simon Am 02.02.2012 17:46, schrieb Michael Collinson: On 02/02/2012 16:23, Larry O'Neill wrote: Hi All, Apologies for any overlap in recipients for this - I very rarely post to mailing lists, so I am not sure how wide a net for this issue would be appropriate. There was a discussion on the #osm irc channel recently about the possibility of approaching non-agreers to the new CT about any data they may have contributed to areas where the removal of such data could have a negative effect on our humanitarian efforts. Looking for example at how much data we stand to lose in Haiti, this is something that may limit the difficulty of those that are on the ground in these places and struggling to remap. The possibility of haing a bounding box around areas such as these was mentioned - and there is aparantly a precedent for a users data within a BB being retained. Any thoughts, comments, or points? Thanks, Larry O'Neill Hi Larry, It looks as though there are no specific licensing issues as regards base data/photos used in Haiti [1]. The issue appears to be confined to mappers who have been active in the area but have either declined or not yet responded to requests to re-license? [2] We will need their individual permissions, the simplest way being just to ask them to respond to the new terms. Friendly, courteous messages coming from individual mappers working in the same area have been highly effective in a number of countries. I would expect it to be doubly so here. We can then revisit the issue in say, two weeks time and see if anyone is left. I am immediately going to ask for a Haiti/Dominican Republic link to be added to http://odbl.de/ and http://odbl.poole.ch/ Then you can just read off the names and status. Meanwhile, you can use the OSMI License View tool to get started. Here is an incomplete list I just grabbed using it: Exponent, Brent Miller, cetest, osmapb1, Tinono, rendle, Tinono, EvaStern, robbert, Sidneyleenen, Elle_M, DDDarek, veugelke, Mirko Küster, Eddy Frometa, Alfredo Gil, Jochen Plumeyer, llibre It is good know their status. You can do that by feeding them into http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ or seeing if they are on http://odbl.poole.ch/central-america-20111208-20120201-poly.html This wiki page can be used to coordinate efforts: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Asking_users_to_accept_the_ODbL Please do not hesitate to coordinate with us at le...@osmfoundation.org . We will do our best to assist. Mike License Working Group [1]. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue (Appears to be only Digital Orthophotos) [2] http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfelon=-71.35913lat=18.22309zoom=7opacity=0.69overlays=overview,wtfe_point_clean,wtfe_line_clean,wtfe_point_harmless,wtfe_line_harmless,wtfe_point_modified,wtfe_line_modified_cp,wtfe_line_modified,wtfe_point_created,wtfe_line_created_cp,wtfe_line_created ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] [CrisisMappers] odbl non-agreement and humanitarian exceptions.
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Jaakko Helleranta.com jaa...@helleranta.com wrote: (Added talk-ht@osm as that might well reach some ppl involved that the other lists don't.) Having bn part of the below-mentioned #OSM IRC discussion (finally using irc after 15 years of avoiding, ayii!) Here's my 2 cents: The OSM Haiti data's v1 odbl complient edit rates for nodes and ways are 68% and 54%, respectively. v1+last edit comopliency rates are 89 and 95%, respectively. These figures r for data of the whole island and the losses in DR are _significantly_ higher. That will have a partial impact on e.g. Local OpenGeo-related economic activity, which has a direct link with local sustainable hunanitarian activities and all data activity on the Haitian side. In any case the direct impact is -- in my guesstimate -- to at least a quarter of Haiti data. And the viability of OSM will take a clear hit because of this. And that impacts humanitarian use without a doubt. Unless there's a renewed interest to help remap Haiti from the community -- or(/and) the data damage is limited in some ways. The thing is that we (in and currently actively involved with Haiti mapping) are limited in capacity to do more advanced data loss mitigation and I think also the capacity to remap is limited in a number of ways. So, having heard that some gave and got a special right to allow retaining his data in OSM for a given bbox _in the U.S._ I don't see why we wouldn't try that in Haiti as well as other humanitarian operations areas. With best regards from Haiti, -Jaakko To be clear, the current mechanism for overriding ODbL cleanliness is based on changesets and documented on the wiki[1]. So to clean all contributions from a given user in a bbox requires looking up all changesets by that user which lie entirely within a bbox and then adding them to the wiki. The list of changesets there is periodically pulled in by the maintainers of license change analysis tools. And it isn't limited to the US although that is one of the bigger use cases for this method of overriding license acceptance. I wrote a bit of python[2] that parses the weekly changeset dump from planet.osm.org into a database to make it queryable for such things. You are free to set up your own database or I would be happy to do some queries by request on my database. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Quick_History_Service [2] https://github.com/ToeBee/ChangesetMD Toby ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] odbl non-agreement and humanitarian exceptions.
Much of this data has already been ground surveyed. Would it be possible based on the source tags to mark things odbl=clean? I think that would take care of a large majority of the problem, since there has been so much on the ground work since the earthquake. -Kate On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: On 02/02/2012 16:23, Larry O'Neill wrote: Hi All, Apologies for any overlap in recipients for this - I very rarely post to mailing lists, so I am not sure how wide a net for this issue would be appropriate. There was a discussion on the #osm irc channel recently about the possibility of approaching non-agreers to the new CT about any data they may have contributed to areas where the removal of such data could have a negative effect on our humanitarian efforts. Looking for example at how much data we stand to lose in Haiti, this is something that may limit the difficulty of those that are on the ground in these places and struggling to remap. The possibility of haing a bounding box around areas such as these was mentioned - and there is aparantly a precedent for a users data within a BB being retained. Any thoughts, comments, or points? Thanks, Larry O'Neill Hi Larry, It looks as though there are no specific licensing issues as regards base data/photos used in Haiti [1]. The issue appears to be confined to mappers who have been active in the area but have either declined or not yet responded to requests to re-license? [2] We will need their individual permissions, the simplest way being just to ask them to respond to the new terms. Friendly, courteous messages coming from individual mappers working in the same area have been highly effective in a number of countries. I would expect it to be doubly so here. We can then revisit the issue in say, two weeks time and see if anyone is left. I am immediately going to ask for a Haiti/Dominican Republic link to be added to http://odbl.de/ and http://odbl.poole.ch/ Then you can just read off the names and status. Meanwhile, you can use the OSMI License View tool to get started. Here is an incomplete list I just grabbed using it: Exponent, Brent Miller, cetest, osmapb1, Tinono, rendle, Tinono, EvaStern, robbert, Sidneyleenen, Elle_M, DDDarek, veugelke, Mirko Küster, Eddy Frometa, Alfredo Gil, Jochen Plumeyer, llibre It is good know their status. You can do that by feeding them into http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ or seeing if they are on http://odbl.poole.ch/central-america-20111208-20120201-poly.html This wiki page can be used to coordinate efforts: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Asking_users_to_accept_the_ODbL Please do not hesitate to coordinate with us at le...@osmfoundation.org . We will do our best to assist. Mike License Working Group [1]. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue (Appears to be only Digital Orthophotos) [2] http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfelon=-71.35913lat=18.22309zoom=7opacity=0.69overlays=overview,wtfe_point_clean,wtfe_line_clean,wtfe_point_harmless,wtfe_line_harmless,wtfe_point_modified,wtfe_line_modified_cp,wtfe_line_modified,wtfe_point_created,wtfe_line_created_cp,wtfe_line_created ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] odbl non-agreement and humanitarian exceptions.
This is going to require some analysis, but I believe all of the decliners were tracing from satellite imagery. So the specific tags added would have been detailed information about those objects. On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: If it wasn't you surveying it, you'd have to verify that nothing remained of the decliners contributions. Just because someone surveyed something doesn't mean that they surveyed all the v1 data (for an example where v1 was from a decliner) -Original Message- From: Kate Chapman [mailto:k...@maploser.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 5:18 PM To: Michael Collinson Cc: hot; OSM Talk Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] odbl non-agreement and humanitarian exceptions. Much of this data has already been ground surveyed. Would it be possible based on the source tags to mark things odbl=clean? I think that would take care of a large majority of the problem, since there has been so much on the ground work since the earthquake. -Kate On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: On 02/02/2012 16:23, Larry O'Neill wrote: Hi All, Apologies for any overlap in recipients for this - I very rarely post to mailing lists, so I am not sure how wide a net for this issue would be appropriate. There was a discussion on the #osm irc channel recently about the possibility of approaching non-agreers to the new CT about any data they may have contributed to areas where the removal of such data could have a negative effect on our humanitarian efforts. Looking for example at how much data we stand to lose in Haiti, this is something that may limit the difficulty of those that are on the ground in these places and struggling to remap. The possibility of haing a bounding box around areas such as these was mentioned - and there is aparantly a precedent for a users data within a BB being retained. Any thoughts, comments, or points? Thanks, Larry O'Neill Hi Larry, It looks as though there are no specific licensing issues as regards base data/photos used in Haiti [1]. The issue appears to be confined to mappers who have been active in the area but have either declined or not yet responded to requests to re-license? [2] We will need their individual permissions, the simplest way being just to ask them to respond to the new terms. Friendly, courteous messages coming from individual mappers working in the same area have been highly effective in a number of countries. I would expect it to be doubly so here. We can then revisit the issue in say, two weeks time and see if anyone is left. I am immediately going to ask for a Haiti/Dominican Republic link to be added to http://odbl.de/ and http://odbl.poole.ch/ Then you can just read off the names and status. Meanwhile, you can use the OSMI License View tool to get started. Here is an incomplete list I just grabbed using it: Exponent, Brent Miller, cetest, osmapb1, Tinono, rendle, Tinono, EvaStern, robbert, Sidneyleenen, Elle_M, DDDarek, veugelke, Mirko Küster, Eddy Frometa, Alfredo Gil, Jochen Plumeyer, llibre It is good know their status. You can do that by feeding them into http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ or seeing if they are on http://odbl.poole.ch/central-america-20111208-20120201-poly.html This wiki page can be used to coordinate efforts: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Asking_users_to_accept_the_ODbL Please do not hesitate to coordinate with us at le...@osmfoundation.org . We will do our best to assist. Mike License Working Group [1]. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue (Appears to be only Digital Orthophotos) [2] http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfelon=-71.35913lat=18.22309z oom=7opacity=0.69overlays=overview,wtfe_point_clean,wtfe_line_clean, wtfe_point_harmless,wtfe_line_harmless,wtfe_point_modified,wtfe_line_m odified_cp,wtfe_line_modified,wtfe_point_created,wtfe_line_created_cp, wtfe_line_created ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] odbl non-agreement and humanitarian exceptions.
In a case like that, I would expect that the geometry would then be the issue and retracing would be required. I suppose a potential workflow would be to look at an objects, see what tags are CT-clean and then trace a new object with those tags. -Original Message- From: Kate Chapman [mailto:k...@maploser.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 7:18 PM To: Paul Norman Cc: openstreetmap; nicolas chavent Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] odbl non-agreement and humanitarian exceptions. This is going to require some analysis, but I believe all of the decliners were tracing from satellite imagery. So the specific tags added would have been detailed information about those objects. On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: If it wasn't you surveying it, you'd have to verify that nothing remained of the decliners contributions. Just because someone surveyed something doesn't mean that they surveyed all the v1 data (for an example where v1 was from a decliner) -Original Message- From: Kate Chapman [mailto:k...@maploser.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 5:18 PM To: Michael Collinson Cc: hot; OSM Talk Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] odbl non-agreement and humanitarian exceptions. Much of this data has already been ground surveyed. Would it be possible based on the source tags to mark things odbl=clean? I think that would take care of a large majority of the problem, since there has been so much on the ground work since the earthquake. -Kate On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: On 02/02/2012 16:23, Larry O'Neill wrote: Hi All, Apologies for any overlap in recipients for this - I very rarely post to mailing lists, so I am not sure how wide a net for this issue would be appropriate. There was a discussion on the #osm irc channel recently about the possibility of approaching non-agreers to the new CT about any data they may have contributed to areas where the removal of such data could have a negative effect on our humanitarian efforts. Looking for example at how much data we stand to lose in Haiti, this is something that may limit the difficulty of those that are on the ground in these places and struggling to remap. The possibility of haing a bounding box around areas such as these was mentioned - and there is aparantly a precedent for a users data within a BB being retained. Any thoughts, comments, or points? Thanks, Larry O'Neill Hi Larry, It looks as though there are no specific licensing issues as regards base data/photos used in Haiti [1]. The issue appears to be confined to mappers who have been active in the area but have either declined or not yet responded to requests to re-license? [2] We will need their individual permissions, the simplest way being just to ask them to respond to the new terms. Friendly, courteous messages coming from individual mappers working in the same area have been highly effective in a number of countries. I would expect it to be doubly so here. We can then revisit the issue in say, two weeks time and see if anyone is left. I am immediately going to ask for a Haiti/Dominican Republic link to be added to http://odbl.de/ and http://odbl.poole.ch/ Then you can just read off the names and status. Meanwhile, you can use the OSMI License View tool to get started. Here is an incomplete list I just grabbed using it: Exponent, Brent Miller, cetest, osmapb1, Tinono, rendle, Tinono, EvaStern, robbert, Sidneyleenen, Elle_M, DDDarek, veugelke, Mirko Küster, Eddy Frometa, Alfredo Gil, Jochen Plumeyer, llibre It is good know their status. You can do that by feeding them into http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ or seeing if they are on http://odbl.poole.ch/central-america-20111208-20120201-poly.html This wiki page can be used to coordinate efforts: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Asking_users_to_accept_the_ODbL Please do not hesitate to coordinate with us at le...@osmfoundation.org . We will do our best to assist. Mike License Working Group [1]. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue (Appears to be only Digital Orthophotos) [2] http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfelon=-71.35913lat=18.2230 9z oom=7opacity=0.69overlays=overview,wtfe_point_clean,wtfe_line_cle an, wtfe_point_harmless,wtfe_line_harmless,wtfe_point_modified,wtfe_lin e_m odified_cp,wtfe_line_modified,wtfe_point_created,wtfe_line_created_ cp, wtfe_line_created ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Night of the living maps 07.02.2012 - Avoid API congestion
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Roland Olbricht roland.olbri...@gmx.de wrote: And here are some problems: Thank you, Toby, for reporting these issues. I've just released a new version which solves the problems: Excellent! I actually still can't close the URL dialog on this computer but I could when I tried it on another one earlier so I think it is my window manager. Come to think of it... I can't close the JOSM geotagged picture viewer either. Both of them just doesn't have the minimize/maximize/close window decorations on it. I blame gnome 3. Anyway, thanks for making this. Toby ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-it] R: Foto Bing e PCN
Ed allora sì , dopo aver controllato quelle impostazioni posso dire che nella mia zona il Pcn è meno definito. Pazienza. Pensate che si possa usare Bing per ricalcaregli edifici e tornare poi al Portale Cartografico per posizionarli correttamente ? Bisognerebbe spostare una casa per volta ? Poi ho notato che 3 chilometri più a ovest un utente ha disegnato un po’ di condomini , ma con risultato un po’ approssimativo avendo forse usato Potlatch2 e realizzando solo rettangoli e quadrati anche quando l’edificioha un cortile interno . E’ già qualcosa ma si può fare meglio, solo che non mi pare si possa correggere come si fa con l’aggiunta di punti sulle curve di una strada: posso allora cancellare i suoi Building ? Ed infine , per correggere il disegno di una strada già esistente ma realizzata con pochi punti , come si fa a spostare l’immagine di sfondo di Bing ?? ( in Potlatch2 premeresti la barraspazio …) Ciao, Alessandro. Da: Maurizio Daniele [mailto:maurizio.dani...@gmail.com] Inviato: martedì 31 gennaio 2012 9.50 A: openstreetmap list - italiano Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] R: R: R: R: Foto Bing e Yahoo! Il giorno 31 gennaio 2012 09:23, Alech OSM alech.hos...@gmail.com ha scritto: Riprendo il messaggio perché ancora qualcosa non mi torna ! In josm è molto comodo il plugin per gli edifici ma … Com’è che continuo ad ottenere ingrandimenti sgranati ??? Si , ho capito che bisogna agire sul frame di destra ed aggiornare il livello di zoom , ma il meglio che ottengo è comunque meno definito del Bing! in Potlatch oppure del PCN se viene aperto all’interno di Compegps . Forse che il pcn del 2006 non è l’unico disponibile e bisogna agganciarne uno più recente e più definito ? Nelle impostazioni del layer WMS (F12 / WMS / Impostazioni) hai impostato un livello max di ingrandimento alto? Se è più basso di 22-24 non sfrutti a pieno quel che il PCN può. Fermo restando che in alcune zone Bing è peggio definito del PCN che, a sua volta, è abbastanza scarsino. Io ho messo normalmente 30, ma qualche volta è eccessivo e se esagero con lo zoom non carica niente. -- Maurizio Daniele - maurizio.daniele (a) gmail.com ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] R: Foto Bing e PCN
Il giorno 02 febbraio 2012 10:21, Alech OSM alech.hos...@gmail.com ha scritto: Ed allora sì , dopo aver controllato quelle impostazioni posso dire che nella mia zona il Pcn è meno definito. Pazienza. Pensate che si possa usare Bing per ricalcaregli edifici e tornare poi al Portale Cartografico per posizionarli correttamente ? Bisognerebbe spostare una casa per volta ? ** O le selezioni tutte e ne trascini solo una :D ** Poi ho notato che 3 chilometri più a ovest un utente ha disegnato un po’ di condomini , ma con risultato un po’ approssimativo avendo forse usato Potlatch2 e realizzando solo rettangoli e quadrati anche quando l’edificioha un cortile interno . E’ già qualcosa ma si può fare meglio, solo che non mi pare si possa correggere come si fa con l’aggiunta di punti sulle curve di una strada: posso allora cancellare i suoi Building ? ** Se vuoi aggiungere i cortili interni aggiungili e poi trasformi in multipolygon dando outer e inner role. ** Ed infine , per *correggere *il disegno di una strada già esistente ma realizzata con pochi punti , come si fa a spostare l’immagine di sfondo di Bing ?? ( in Potlatch2 premeresti la barraspazio …) ** C'è quel bottone con una mappa e quattro frecce che ti permette di aggiustare le immagini :) Magari quando trovi la posizione migliore salvati la posizione (con il bookmark nello stesso menu) ** ** ** Ciao, Alessandro. Ciao, Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] R: Foto Bing e PCN
Il giorno 02 febbraio 2012 10:21, Alech OSM alech.hos...@gmail.com ha scritto: Ed allora sì , dopo aver controllato quelle impostazioni posso dire che nella mia zona il Pcn è meno definito. Pazienza. Pensate che si possa usare Bing per ricalcaregli edifici e tornare poi al Portale Cartografico per posizionarli correttamente ? Bisognerebbe spostare una casa per volta ? ** E' quello che faccio io di solito. Disegno su bing e posiziono su PCN. E si, bisogna spostare una casa alla volta perché la referenziazione di bing è inesistente (tra l'altro cambia anche con il livello di zoom :-o ) per cui non c'è un offset che vada bene a tutti i livelli di zoom, e tantomeno che vada bene per una zona vasta Poi ho notato che 3 chilometri più a ovest un utente ha disegnato un po’ di condomini , ma con risultato un po’ approssimativo avendo forse usato Potlatch2 e realizzando solo rettangoli e quadrati anche quando l’edificioha un cortile interno . E’ già qualcosa ma si può fare meglio, solo che non mi pare si possa correggere come si fa con l’aggiunta di punti sulle curve di una strada: posso allora cancellare i suoi Building ? Si che si possono correggere. un edificio è solo una way chiusa, quindi puoi aggiungere tutti i nodi che vuoi. Puoi anche aggiungere il cortile interno e poi convertire le due way (interno ed esterno) in un multipoligono. Ed infine , per *correggere *il disegno di una strada già esistente ma realizzata con pochi punti , come si fa a spostare l’immagine di sfondo di Bing ?? ( in Potlatch2 premeresti la barraspazio …) Eh? ^^; Non ho capito. Puoi cliccare sul layer Bing e aggiungere un offset. -- Maurizio Daniele - maurizio.daniele (a) gmail.com ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] R: Foto Bing e PCN
Il 02/02/2012 10:44, Maurizio Daniele ha scritto: Il giorno 02 febbraio 2012 10:21, Alech OSM alech.hos...@gmail.com ha scritto: Ed allora s , dopo aver controllato quelle impostazioni posso dire che nella mia zona il Pcn meno definito. Pazienza. Pensate che si possa usare Bing per ricalcaregli edifici e tornare poi al Portale Cartografico per posizionarli correttamente ? Bisognerebbe spostare una casa per volta ? E' quello che faccio io di solito. Disegno su bing e posiziono su PCN. E si, bisogna spostare una casa alla volta perch la referenziazione di bing inesistente (tra l'altro cambia anche con il livello di zoom :-o ) per cui non c' un offset che vada bene a tutti i livelli di zoom, e tantomeno che vada bene per una zona "vasta" E' vero, per un lavoraccio. Io di solito riposiziono le foto Bing in base a quelle PCN, poi contro spesso l'offset man mano che mi sposto. Ciao Giuliano -- Maurizio Daniele - maurizio.daniele (a) gmail.com ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] sintassi da usare per filtrare aree
Grazie Alberto stasera provo, devo solo digitare closed nel box dove mi chiede la stringa giusto? Per caso sai anche con Potlacth2 online come si fa? grazie ancora E' nata indoona : chiama, videochiama e messaggia Gratis. Scarica indoona per iPhone, Android e PC ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] R: Foto Bing e PCN
Il 02/02/2012 10:21, Alech OSM ha scritto: Pensate che si possa usare Bing per ricalcaregli edifici e tornare poi al Portale Cartografico per posizionarli correttamente ? Bisognerebbe spostare una casa per volta ? No, esiste un modo migliore di procedere: prima trasli le foto bing in modo da allinearle al PCN, poi cominci a ricalcare. Ovviamente stando attento che allontanandoti dal punto di partenza non si perda l'allineamento. -- Giacomo Boschi ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] R: R: Foto Bing e PCN
Si certo, immagino che all'interno di un isolato di 300x300mt. l'allineamento resti corretto. Ma , per allineare Bing al Pcn ??? È forse possibile sovrapporli in trasparenza ? Altrimenti : disegno 1 casa su Bing , la posiziono grazie al Pcn , allineo Bing sulla base di quella casa . -Messaggio originale- Da: Giacomo Boschi [mailto:gwil...@gmail.com] Inviato: giovedì 2 febbraio 2012 11.13 A: talk-it@openstreetmap.org Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] R: Foto Bing e PCN Il 02/02/2012 10:21, Alech OSM ha scritto: Pensate che si possa usare Bing per ricalcaregli edifici e tornare poi al Portale Cartografico per posizionarli correttamente ? Bisognerebbe spostare una casa per volta ? No, esiste un modo migliore di procedere: prima trasli le foto bing in modo da allinearle al PCN, poi cominci a ricalcare. Ovviamente stando attento che allontanandoti dal punto di partenza non si perda l'allineamento. -- Giacomo Boschi ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] R: R: Foto Bing e PCN
Il 02/02/2012 11:22, Alech OSM ha scritto: Ma , per allineare Bing al Pcn ??? È forse possibile sovrapporli in trasparenza ? Scoperto ora che si può: nella finestrella dei Livelli di JOSM c'è il bottone con la funzione regola opacità del livello. Altrimenti di solito disegno un nodo su un elemento puntiforme del pcn, poi apro il livello Bing e lo traslo in modo da far allineare lo stesso dettaglio al nodo appena disegnato. -- Giacomo Boschi ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] R: R: Foto Bing e PCN
2012/2/2 Giacomo Boschi gwil...@gmail.com: Altrimenti di solito disegno un nodo su un elemento puntiforme del pcn, poi apro il livello Bing e lo traslo in modo da far allineare lo stesso dettaglio al nodo appena disegnato. Non riesco a ritrovare il riferimento sul Wiki, ma stavano sviluppando un sistema centralizzato (un database) per collezionare gli offset delle fotografie aeree in modo da ridurre o addirittura automatizzare questo spostamento manuale. Qualcuno ne sa qualcosa di più / lo ha già usato? Ciao ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] R: R: Foto Bing e PCN
[quasiofftopic] Cambiando il livello di zoom cambiano proprio le foto , ed il giorno (anno?) nel quale sono state scattate. Ricalcando l’aeroporto di Firenze vedevo gli aerei parcheggiati apparire e scomparire … ;-) [/quasiofftopic] Da: Maurizio Daniele [mailto:maurizio.dani...@gmail.com] Inviato: giovedì 2 febbraio 2012 10.44 A: openstreetmap list - italiano Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] R: Foto Bing e PCN Il giorno 02 febbraio 2012 10:21, Alech OSM alech.hos...@gmail.com ha scritto: E' quello che faccio io di solito. Disegno su bing e posiziono su PCN. E si, bisogna spostare una casa alla volta perché la referenziazione di bing è inesistente (tra l'altro cambia anche con il livello di zoom :-o ) per cui non c'è un offset che vada bene a tutti i livelli di zoom, e tantomeno che vada bene per una zona vasta -- Maurizio Daniele - maurizio.daniele (a) gmail.com ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] R: R: Foto Bing e PCN
2012/2/2 Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com: Altrimenti di solito disegno un nodo su un elemento puntiforme del pcn, poi apro il livello Bing e lo traslo in modo da far allineare lo stesso dettaglio al nodo appena disegnato. Non riesco a ritrovare il riferimento sul Wiki, ma stavano sviluppando un sistema centralizzato (un database) per collezionare gli offset delle fotografie aeree in modo da ridurre o addirittura automatizzare questo spostamento manuale. Qualcuno ne sa qualcosa di più / lo ha già usato? questo? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/True_Offset_Process -- -S ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Edifici Emilia Romagna - guida all' importazione
Sul wiki (1) una pagina di istruzioni per importare in OSM l' edificato della Regione Emilia Romagna. Grazie a tutti per le dritte !! Alberto (1) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Emilia_Romagna_edificato#Conversione_con_shp-to-osm ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] GMaps condannata in Francia
G condannata in Francia a rimborsare 500.000,00 euro per concorrenza sleale del servizio di geolocalizzazione di G Maps. Nell'articolo si parla anche di censura dei dati geolocalizzati, a seconda del Paese da cui ha origine la ricerca. Mi sembrano altri due ottimi argomenti di discussione nei prossimi talk. Ciao --FP http://www.zeusnews.it/index.php3?ar=stampacod=16778 ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Licenze mappe
Ciao a tutti devo fare un lavoro per un apt una brochure che riguarda storia, sport, natura e ho deciso di usare le mappe osm x i percorsi, con aggiunta di dettagli che aggiungero'. Per la licenza devo citarla sotto ogni mappa inserita o basta solo nei credits alla fine? Grazie Mich74 Le mail ti raggiungono ovunque con BlackBerry® from Vodafone! ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] GMaps condannata in Francia
Sapevo che qualcuno postava la notizia qui :D Ho letto prima su PI, ci godo abbastanza. Ne approfitto per segnalare anche questo http://techpresident.com/news/21709/google-world-bank-deal-ask-too-much-crowd Il giorno 02 febbraio 2012 22:11, niubii f.pelu...@gmail.com ha scritto: G condannata in Francia a rimborsare 500.000,00 euro per concorrenza sleale del servizio di geolocalizzazione di G Maps. Nell'articolo si parla anche di censura dei dati geolocalizzati, a seconda del Paese da cui ha origine la ricerca. Mi sembrano altri due ottimi argomenti di discussione nei prossimi talk. Ciao --FP http://www.zeusnews.it/index.php3?ar=stampacod=16778 ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Licenze mappe
Il 02 febbraio 2012 23:15, mima...@tin.it ha scritto: Ciao a tutti devo fare un lavoro per un apt una brochure che riguarda storia, sport, natura e ho deciso di usare le mappe osm x i percorsi, con aggiunta di dettagli che aggiungero'. Per la licenza devo citarla sotto ogni mappa inserita o basta solo nei credits alla fine? ti ha risposto martin alla mail che avevi già spedito ;-) Grazie Mich74 -- ciao Luca http://gis.cri.fmach.it/delucchi/ www.lucadelu.org ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] GMaps condannata in Francia
Avevo letto la notizia sul Corriere, ed ero rimasto alquanto perplesso, soprattutto considerando che tecnicamente quello di GMaps non è un monopolio: Yahoo!, Bing, OpenStreetMap stessa (che tra l'altro è libera) e molti altri (ViaMichelin, per prendere un sito francese) offrono servizi analoghi e altrettanto gratuiti. Boh. Sinceramente faccio fatica a vedere l'abuso di posizione dominante. Ovviamente Google farà ricorso: vediamo come va a finire. Notte! Carlo -- .' `. | Registered Linux User #443882 |a_a | | http://counter.li.org/ .''`. \_)__/ +--- : :' : /( )\ ---+ `. `'` |\`/\ Registered Debian User #9 | `- \_|=='|_/ http://debiancounter.altervista.org/ | ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] GMaps condannata in Francia
Il giorno 03/feb/2012 03.40, Carlo Stemberger carlo.stember...@gmail.com ha scritto: Avevo letto la notizia sul Corriere, ed ero rimasto alquanto perplesso, soprattutto considerando che tecnicamente quello di GMaps non è un monopolio: Yahoo!, Bing, OpenStreetMap stessa (che tra l'altro è libera) e molti altri (ViaMichelin, per prendere un sito francese) offrono servizi analoghi e altrettanto gratuiti. Boh. Sinceramente faccio fatica a vedere l'abuso di posizione dominante. Ovviamente Google farà ricorso: vediamo come va a finire. +1 Notte! Carlo Ciao Luca http://www.lucadelu.org http://gis.cri.fmach.it/delucchi ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Problemi con immagini PCN
Il giorno 01/feb/2012 16.46, Maurizio Daniele maurizio.dani...@gmail.com ha scritto: Il giorno 01 febbraio 2012 16:06, Elena ``of Valhalla'' elena.valha...@gmail.com ha scritto: On 2012-02-01 at 14:43:49 +0100, Paolo Pozzan wrote: serve la flotta di aerodroni :D con il satellite non si fanno foto a risoluzione paragonabile a quella del PCN Seriamente: mi sono sempre chiesto se con quegli aerodroni giocattolo che vendono ultimamente si possano fare delle ortofoto decenti da altezze di un centinaio di metri Dipende dalla camera che ci sta su, comunque si si possono fare. Al lavoro stiamo valutandone l'acquisto... Ciao Luca http://www.lucadelu.org http://gis.cri.fmach.it/delucchi ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Problemi con immagini PCN
Il giorno 01/feb/2012 17.49, Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com ha scritto: Secondo me il problema non è fare delle foto buone, ma georeferenziarle correttamente. Con un aeroplanino l'incertezza sulla sua posizione spaziale (coordinate GPS lat e lon + altitudine, ma soprattutto le inclinazioni sui 3 assi) è tale che non riesci a posizionare la foto in piano. Con l'ortorettifica si dovrebbe riuscire a correggere questo tipo di errori...non si userebbe il gps Ciao, Federico Ciao Luca http://www.lucadelu.org http://gis.cri.fmach.it/delucchi ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Edifici Emilia Romagna - guida all' importazione
2012/2/2 alberto albertobon...@libero.it: Sul wiki (1) una pagina di istruzioni per importare in OSM l' edificato della Regione Emilia Romagna. Grazie a tutti per le dritte !! Alberto (1) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Emilia_Romagna_edificato#Conversione_con_shp-to-osm grazie per la guida. -- -S ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-at] Night of the living maps in Wien?
Hi, ich könnt mir auch vorstellen mitzumappen, natürlich auch nicht die Nacht durch, da ich am nächsten Tag arbeiten muss, aber so zwischen 18 und 23 Uhr.. Grüße! Markus 2012/1/31 Manuela Schmidt manu...@cartography.tuwien.ac.at: Am 31.01.2012 08:17, schrieb Stephan Plepelits: On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 07:04:12AM +0100, Andreas Labres wrote: On 31.01.12 06:40, Stephan Plepelits wrote: Was gehört denn da noch so gemacht? Ich meinte eigentlich organisatorisch ;) wenn ich das richtig sehe [1], eigentlich eh nicht viel... vermutlich hauptsächlich: Zeit festlegen, alles auf der Wikiseite eintragen, nochmal einen Reminder an die lokale Community rausschicken. Und vielleicht noch paar Essens-/Trinkensachen besorgen (da kann ich aber auch helfen). Oder jeder bringt selbst irgendwas mit? Wär cool, wenn ihr dabei wärt! Mir wärs eigentlich auch ganz recht, wenns nicht ganz bis ins Morgengrauen dauert ;) Aber wenn genügend motivierte Leute da sind, ist das auch okay... lg Manu [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Night_of_the_living_maps/own -- DI(FH) Manuela Schmidt Research Group Cartography Vienna University of Technology email: manuela.schm...@tuwien.ac.at phone: +43-1-58801-12613 skype: schmidt.manuela http://cartography.tuwien.ac.at DVR: 0005886 ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
[Talk-at] Wer fährt zur FOSSGIS nach Dessau?
Hallo! Plant jemand zur FOSSGIS nach Dessau zu fahren? http://www.fossgis.de/konferenz/2012/ /al ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] Wer fährt zur FOSSGIS nach Dessau?
Hallo! Plant jemand zur FOSSGIS nach Dessau zu fahren? Ich werde (voraussichtlich mit dem Zug Innsbruck–München–Dessau) hinfahren. Grüße Simon ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
[Talk-at] Night of the living maps in Wien - die Ankündigung
Hi! Wie bereits in den letzten Tagen hierzulists diskutiert, wird es nächste Woche am Dienstag ein Mapping Event an der Forschungsgruppe für Kartographie der TU-Wien geben: The night of living maps[1], einem internationalen Mapping event. Details: Wann: Dienstag, 7.2.2012, ab 20:00 Wo: Erzherzog-Johann-Platz 1/127-2, 1. Stock, 1040 Wien - wenn Haustür zu ist, 01-58801-12613 rufen! Lon/Lat fürs GPS: 16.36872, 48.19636 Für ein bisserl Knabberei und Säfte wird gesorgt sein, alle sind herzlich eingeladen noch ein bisserl mehr mitzubringen. Im OSM-Wiki[2] gibts noch mehr Informationen zum Event, bitte sich einzutragen wer plant zu kommen. Auch können Ideen gesammelt werden, was gemappt werden soll. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Night_of_the_living_maps [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wien/Night_of_the_living_Maps Ich freu mich auf bald! Stephan -- Seid unbequem, seid Sand, nicht Öl im Getriebe der Welt! - Günther Eich ,-. | Stephan Plepelits, | | Technische Universität Wien -Studien Informatik Raumplanung | | Projects: | | openstreetbrowser.org couchsurfing.org tubasis.at bl.mud.at | | Contact:| | Mail: sk...@xover.mud.at Blog: plepe.at | | Twitter: twitter.com/plepe Jabber: sk...@jabber.at | `-' signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
[Talk-at] Neue Idee für's lanes-mapping
Hi! Aufbauend auf Walter Schlögl's Idee und nach ein wenig Brainstorming mit zverik haben wir derzeit folgende Idee für's spurgenaue Mapping: statt neuer Tags kann an bestehende Tags am Ende des Keys ein :lanes ergänzt werden. Die Werte pro Spur können dann mit , getrennt angegeben werden. Für die unterschiedlichen Richtung wird wie üblich :forward bzw. :backward abschließend ergänzt. Einfaches Beispiel mit Geschwindigkeitsbegrenzungen: lanes:forward=3 maxspeed:lanes:forward=80,80,50 Das sollte ohne weitere Erklärung klar sein. Ein Beispiel mit einer hier ja so beliebten Radspur: lanes:forward=3 bicycle:lanes:forward=no,designated,no Das lässt sich mit praktisch jedem OSM-Key machen. Für Abbiegespuren gibt es ja noch nichts wirklich einheitliches. Diese könnte man aber z.B. so darstellen: turn:lanes:forward=left,through,through;right Das demonstriert auch wie man einem Key (hier turn) mehrere Werte zuordnen kann - genauso wie bisher auch mit ; getrennt. Frage, Wünsche, Anregungen? lg, Martin ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] Neue Idee für's lanes-mapping
On 02/02/2012 04:35 PM, Martin Vonwald wrote: Ein Beispiel mit einer hier ja so beliebten Radspur: lanes:forward=3 bicycle:lanes:forward=no,designated,no Hat etwas gedauert bis ich das lesen konnte. Seh ich das richtig, dass das hier 3 Spuren (in eine Richtung) sind und der Radfahrer fährt in der Mitte (weil bspw. rechts eine Abbiegespur ist)? Für Abbiegespuren gibt es ja noch nichts wirklich einheitliches. Diese könnte man aber z.B. so darstellen: turn:lanes:forward=left,through,through;right Das demonstriert auch wie man einem Key (hier turn) mehrere Werte zuordnen kann - genauso wie bisher auch mit ; getrennt. Was passiert bei komplizierteren Kreuzungen? ab \ \ / / \ \/ / -- -- C - Fahrtrichtung (und Wegrichtung) Wie kann ich darstellen, dass ich von der Haupstraße C in Fahrtrichtung nur in Nebenstraße a oder b, nicht aber in beide abbiegen darf. Mit turn:lanes:forward=left kann ich das nicht hinreichend genau bestimmen, welche der beiden Möglichkeiten gemeint ist. Richtungsangaben sind zwar toll, weil man sie leicht lesen kann, aber man hat halt damit nur vier Möglichkeiten. Wenn man mehr braucht, wirds kompliziert. Man könnte natürlich den Kreuzungspunkt durch zwei Punkte ersetzen, aber das wäre dann wieder ein künstlicher Weg, der so nicht wirklich erkennbar ist und auch (wegen seiner Kürze) nur schwer wartbar wäre. Oder erfasse ich mit den turn:lanes nur die Bodenmarkierung und muss die Restrictions wie gehabt über Relationen abbilden? Norbert ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] Neue Idee für's lanes-mapping
Am 02.02.2012 um 16:51 schrieb Norbert Wenzel norbert.wenzel.li...@gmail.com: Seh ich das richtig, dass das hier 3 Spuren (in eine Richtung) sind und der Radfahrer fährt in der Mitte (weil bspw. rechts eine Abbiegespur ist)? Korrekt. Was passiert bei komplizierteren Kreuzungen? ab \ \ / / \ \/ / -- -- C - Fahrtrichtung (und Wegrichtung) Wie kann ich darstellen, dass ich von der Haupstraße C in Fahrtrichtung nur in Nebenstraße a oder b, nicht aber in beide abbiegen darf. Mit turn:lanes:forward=left kann ich das nicht hinreichend genau bestimmen, welche der beiden Möglichkeiten gemeint ist. Kannst du dafür ein Beispiel (Luftbild) geben? Generell wirst du komplizierte Kreuzungen immer nur mit Relationen darstellen können. Die lanes_restriction Relation von zverik's Proposal würde hier passen. Nur mit Tags kannst du nie zuverlässig Wegverbindungen darstellen - dafür brauchst du Relationen. Ich stimme dir aber zu, dass Relationen so selten wie möglich notwendig sein sollten. ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] Wer fährt zur FOSSGIS nach Dessau?
Am 02.02.2012 15:25, schrieb Simon Legner: Hallo! Plant jemand zur FOSSGIS nach Dessau zu fahren? Ich werde (voraussichtlich mit dem Zug Innsbruck–München–Dessau) hinfahren. Ich auch (allerdings vermutlich Wien-München, München-Dessau). lg Manuela ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] Neue Idee für's lanes-mapping
On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 07:54:14PM +0100, Martin Vonwald wrote: Ich bin für Taggingschemas die alle Standardfälle mit möglichst wenig Relationen abbilden. In Spezialfällen wird man aber nur selten darauf verzichten können und deshalb ist es wichtig ein Taggingschema zu finden, welches sich durch Relationen ergänzen lässt aber diesen nicht widerspricht. Dann überleg doch halt mal, wie und ob sich das durch Relationen gut ergänzen lässt. Ich glaube, Alle warten auf eine gute lanes-Variante, wenn, dann müssen halt echt die Abbiegerelationen Teil des neuen Proposals sein. Wie waers mit den Rollen: from:lanes:3 to:lanes:1-2 - um von der dritten Spur des Ursprungsweges auf die erste und zweite Spur des anderen Weges abzubiegen. War nur ne schnelle Idee und ist sicherlich nicht durchdacht. Aber Du (und alle anderen hier) können ja mal überlegen, ob das eine Option wäre. gruesse, Stephan -- Seid unbequem, seid Sand, nicht Öl im Getriebe der Welt! - Günther Eich ,-. | Stephan Plepelits, | | Technische Universität Wien -Studien Informatik Raumplanung | | Projects: | | openstreetbrowser.org couchsurfing.org tubasis.at bl.mud.at | | Contact:| | Mail: sk...@xover.mud.at Blog: plepe.at | | Twitter: twitter.com/plepe Jabber: sk...@jabber.at | `-' signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] Neue Idee für's lanes-mapping
On 02.02.2012 23:35, Martin Vonwald wrote: Hi! Aufbauend auf Walter Schlögl's Idee und nach ein wenig Brainstorming mit zverik haben wir derzeit folgende Idee für's spurgenaue Mapping: statt neuer Tags kann an bestehende Tags am Ende des Keys ein :lanes ergänzt werden. Die Werte pro Spur können dann mit , getrennt angegeben werden. Für die unterschiedlichen Richtung wird wie üblich :forward bzw. :backward abschließend ergänzt. Einfaches Beispiel mit Geschwindigkeitsbegrenzungen: lanes:forward=3 maxspeed:lanes:forward=80,80,50 Abgesehen davon dass ich das bisherige Proposal zu lanes deutlich besser finde, empfinde ich es einen Graus mehrere Values für einen Key zu benutzen. Das schafft nur Probleme in der Datenauswertung, aber auch bei der Eingabe un den Editoren. Ein Wert pro Schlüssel ist deutlich besser... ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
[talk-ph] what features the top 20 PH mappers are mapping
http://osmranking.altogetherlost.com/73 -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[OSM-legal-talk] Is an object created by a non-agreer always tainted, even if all info has been deleted/changed by agreers?
What is the consensus on the legal status of an object that has been created by a non-agreer, but all of the nodes and all of the tags have been deleted/changed by agreers? i.e.: 1) Non-agreer creates a way with tags 'name=A' and 'highway=tertiary', and 3 nodes (with no tags). 2) An agreer then deletes 1 node and moves the other 2 nodes, and changes the tags to be 'name=B' and 'highway=secondary'. Is that way now clean or still tainted? I think that it is clean. My thoughts: Tags I think that the changing of those tags makes the tags clean. The existence of the 'name' and 'highway' tags (separate from the actual tag values) is not creative. The values of the tags could be creative, but the values have been changed. I guess that it could be argued that the existence of some other obscure tags might be creative enough. Can anyone think of any tags whose mere existence on an object (but with a different value) carries enough ownership to make the way tainted? Nodes I think that the nodes are also clean. However, I think that there was a discussion about this a while ago, where someone argued that, if the new nodes/node-positions were derived in some way from the original nodes, then they would still be tainted. However, surely we are trusting agreers to only use odbl/CT- compatible sources to enter those new nodes/node-positions, so they can't be tainted? If the agreer was actually creating a completely new way, we are also trusting that they only use compatible sources to position the nodes, so it is equivalent surely? Another thought - What if the scenario is actually: 0) Agreer creates a way with 3 nodes and with tags 'name=Z' and 'highway=residential' 1) Non-agreer changes tags 'name=A' and 'highway=tertiary', and moves all 3 nodes. 2) An agreer then deletes 1 node and moves the other 2 nodes, and changes the tags to be 'name=B' and 'highway=secondary'. is the way tainted or clean?I think that it must be clean. Is this conceptually any different from the first scenario? The only difference in scenario 2 is that the way was originally created by an agreer rather than a non-agreer. If we accept that all of the agreers must be using odbl/CT-compatible sources, then surely both scenarios must result in a way that is clean? ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Critical Mass for license change-over
On 2 February 2012 15:11, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: andrzej zaborowski schrieb: Yes, of course, I think it is Mike DuPont who said give away. But obviously we're talking about the grant of rights. Yes, every open soruce license is a grant of rights, as that's the basic definition of open. If there wouldn't be a grant of any rights, no license would be needed at all, as copyright law in various countries covers not being able to use other people's work pretty well. All we are about is being able to use other people's work, though. Yep. But then I don't understand what your point is, I think we agree about the terms. Cheers ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is an object created by a non-agreer always tainted, even if all info has been deleted/changed by agreers?
On 2 February 2012 13:43, Woll Newall w...@2-islands.com wrote: What is the consensus on the legal status of an object that has been created by a non-agreer, but all of the nodes and all of the tags have been deleted/changed by agreers? i.e.: 1) Non-agreer creates a way with tags 'name=A' and 'highway=tertiary', and 3 nodes (with no tags). 2) An agreer then deletes 1 node and moves the other 2 nodes, and changes the tags to be 'name=B' and 'highway=secondary'. Is that way now clean or still tainted? I think that it is clean. That example probably would be, but how would you distinguish it from the following: 1) Non-agreer creates a way with tags 'name=Main Rd.' and 'highway=tertairy', and 3 nodes (with no tags). 2) An agreer then deletes 1 node and moves the other 2 nodes, and corrects the tags to be 'name=Main Road' and 'highway=tertiary'. While the route of the way may now be clean, the tagging is clearly a derivative of the original mapper's work. (Ok, so individual facts like a road name and classification may or may not attract copyright, but enough of these facts make a database, which could well be protected.) However, I think that there was a discussion about this a while ago, where someone argued that, if the new nodes/node-positions were derived in some way from the original nodes, then they would still be tainted.However, surely we are trusting agreers to only use odbl/CT-compatible sources to enter those new nodes/node-positions, so they can't be tainted? If the agreer was actually creating a completely new way, we are also trusting that they only use compatible sources to position the nodes, so it is equivalent surely? You might hope that that's the case now (though I'm not sure we've really had enough publicity to guarantee it). However, I don't think there's much chance of this being the case before the license change procedure got into full swing. For example, I'm sure lots of mappers have replaced POI nodes with building outlines from aerial imagery, and copied the tags across, using the original node as the source, rather than having an independent source of their own. Not that there's much we can do about that particular type of copying from OSM to itself now though... -- Robert Whittaker ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is an object created by a non-agreer always tainted, even if all info has been deleted/changed by agreers?
OK, so spelling corrections could be viewed as not removing the taint, because we can't tell if the agreer making the change used a odbl/CT-compatible source for the change or not. Thinking about it, other edits done by bots to normalise the tagging into a standard (e.g. changing something like leisure=swimming_pool into sport=swimming [that's a made-up example off the top of my head!]), could also be viewed as not removing the taint, because we also can't tell if the agreer used an odbl/CT-compatible source or not. However, we could add something to the taint checking that would ignore the taint of specific tags if changes of specific tag values from one official value to another official value had been made. It seems that it is quite difficult to imagine all of the different scenarios though, so it sounds as if such tests would need to be very specific (e.g. 'A change of the highway tag from one official value to another official value, removes the taint from that tag). There are probably other specific tags, for which we could define similar specific changes which would remove the tag. Maybe for the name tag, the taint checking could check to see if the new value is just a spelling variation or a completely different value (using some kind of fuzzy string matching?) - with a completely different value resulting in the taint being removed from that tag? It's obviously a bit more complicated than it first appears, but I think that there must be some additions that could be made to the taint checking to remove the taint in specific, well-defined situations, which would hopefully reduce the amount of supposedly-tainted data a bit (how much. I'm not sure). -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/OSM-legal-talk-Is-an-object-created-by-a-non-agreer-always-tainted-even-if-all-info-has-been-deleted-tp5450719p5452068.html Sent from the Legal Talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [talk-au] Boundary removal.
Mark wrote Mark wrote I haven't looked at all the state borders yet, but some of them at least are based on ABS data - prior to the ABS import, was there other data for state borders that can be undeleted, or will we need to add these in again? Yes - it's still a very good question. Once I've calmed down a bit, I will download an old planet file and start to investigate recovering our pre ABS boarders. At first (and second glance) it appears that the mad importers have just blown away all the state borders before dumping their free data on the map. All the hard work I did to get the Black Allan line exact at a proper geometry (NOT a straight line) has been quietly removed. This state border is now badly wrong (as bad as google's version also is. The importers did not even consider whether other people had edited that area before just blowing it away. Ok - I'm calm now (despite appearences). Does anyone know if there are old (August 2008) Australian OSM extracts available otherwise I'll start the planet download (only 5 gig !!!) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Mapping Coastlines (Was: Re: Boundary removal.)
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: I tried remapping some coastline down near Eden, from Bing imagery. This works well buit is very time comsuming and the coastline is BIG and probably Bing imagery does not cover it all at the necessary resolution. I suggest we get back our old state natrional boundaries from before ABS and then improve them over the next year or so, at our leisure. I'm curious about how to map the coastline from imagery? The coastline is meant to be mean high tide, but with all those waves coming in and only a rough guess of where abouts in the 12 hr cycle the imagery was taken how do you know where to put the way? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping Coastlines (Was: Re: Boundary removal.)
On 2 February 2012 21:46, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious about how to map the coastline from imagery? The coastline is meant to be mean high tide, but with all those waves coming in and only a rough guess of where abouts in the 12 hr cycle the imagery was taken how do you know where to put the way? If there is a man made seawall or barrier, I use that. If not, I try to estimate how high the water comes at high tide from the look of the terrain. If all we have is one image, then that's all we have. Ian. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Boundary removal.
On 02/02/2012, at 9:41 PM, Nick Hocking wrote: Does anyone know if there are old (August 2008) Australian OSM extracts available otherwise I'll start the planet download (only 5 gig !!!) I don't have an OSM extracts, but there might be another way: undeleting the old ways. At http://osm.mapki.com/history/relation.php?id=80370 is a list of all the ways for the South Australian border (replace the relation number for the other borders) including all the previously deleted borders. All(?!) you need to do is find at what date the borders were changed to the import borders, then undelete the ways that were deleted at this time. Mark P. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Boundary removal.
Mark wrote I don't have an OSM extracts, but there might be another way: undeleting the old ways. Thanks Mark, There is one more consideration which applies to state boundaries and coastlines. Some CT-agreers have put in a lot of hard work actually surveying and improving these borders after the ABS import. I *really* don't want them to lose this work and therefore, we need to save these mods away somehow to reapply after we restore the pre-abs borders. I don't believe it matters whose name appears on the edits or ways but the work done must be preserved. This will not be a trivial task but if someone can think of a relatively painless way of achieving this, then, speak up Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[Talk-br] Mapas da prefeitura de São Paulo
Oi. Alguém já tem informações sobre o uso dos mapas do Infocidade ( http://infocidade.prefeitura.sp.gov.br/index.php )? Ao selecionar uma subprefeitura qualquer, é possível baixar um mapa da região. Seria útil para os nomes das ruas. --- Ygor ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-de] Night of the living maps 07.02.2012 - API-Überlastung vorbeugen
Hi Roland, großes Danke auch von mir :) Könnte mir jemand noch mal kurz erklären, durch was ein Bann ausgelöst wird? Wenn zu viele Edits von einem Account ausgehen? (wäre bei Demo-Accounts für die Party wohl der Fall) oder wenn man zu goße Gebiete herunterlädt? Gruß Matthias Am 01.02.2012 23:46, schrieb Roland Olbricht: Liebe JOSM-Nutzer, um mit dem kommenden Mapping-Event nicht so schnell die Main API zu verstopfen, wie es in der Vergangenheit leider mehrmals mit der Folge von IP- Adress-Blockaden passiert ist, habe ich pünktlich zur Night of the living maps 07.02.2012 das Zusammenspiel von Overpass API und JOSM noch weiter verbessert. Mit dem Plugin mirrored_download lassen sich nun die minutenaktuellen Quelldaten statt von der Main API in gleicher Qualität von einer der Overpass- API-Instanzen herunterladen. Dies entlastet nicht nur die Main API von Lesezugriffen, sondern wird fast immer auch spürbar schneller sein. Dazu muss das Plugin nur auf dem üblichen Weg (Bearbeiten Einstellungen Stecker-Symbol Plugin-Liste mirrored_download) heruntergeladen und JOSM anschließend neu gestartet werden. Weitere API-Server in der Liste sind ebenfalls willkommen; das Plugin benutzt für maximale Kompatibilität extra den XAPI-Kompatibilitätslayer. Einfach Server im JOSM SVN unter josm/plugins/mirrored_download/src/mirrored_download/UrlSelectionDialog.java eintragen und committen. Viel Spaß mit dem Plugin, Roland Olbricht ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Projekt Offenes Köln mit OSM-Daten
Hallo! Ich finde die Aufmachung und die Umsetzung sehr schön. Chic gestaltet, aber nicht zu übertrieben. Sehr angenehm. Auch Leaflet macht sich einfach gut. Ich habe es gerade mal mit einer Adresse außerhalb von Köln versucht. Die Fehlermeldung ist leider nicht wirklich zutreffend. Es wird angezeigt, dass doch bitte eine Hausnummer oder eine PLZ angegeben werden soll. Vielleicht könnte man bei auswärtigen Straßen einen anderen Fehler ausgeben. Gruß, Philip -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Projekt-Offenes-Koln-mit-OSM-Daten-tp5447431p5450043.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Relation Deutsche Bundesstraßen gelöscht
Am 01.02.2012 21:14, schrieb Tirkon: Kann es denn vorkommen, dass JOSM einen Konflikt beim Hochladen nicht erkennt? JOSM kann Konflikte nur erkennen, wenn andere etwas bearbeitet haben. Wenn Du eine Straße an eine andere Stelle verschiebst, und dabei der Briefkasten auf einmal blöderweise auf der anderen Straßenseite steht, ist das ein Fehler, den JOSM nicht erkennen kann, den man aber mit gesundem Menschenverstand im Editor sieht und mit korrigiert - oder das verschieben sein lässt. Gruß Peter ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Night of the living maps 07.02.2012 - API-Überlastung vorbeugen
2012/2/1 Roland Olbricht roland.olbri...@gmx.de Liebe JOSM-Nutzer, um mit dem kommenden Mapping-Event nicht so schnell die Main API zu verstopfen, wie es in der Vergangenheit leider mehrmals mit der Folge von IP- Adress-Blockaden passiert ist,... Die Befürchtung, dass die NOTLM die API überlasten würde, halte ich für gänzlich unbegründet. Die Auslastung der API ist während der europäischen Nacht auf ihrem Tagesminimum. Ich bezweifle, dass das Event ausreicht um annähernd auch nur in den Bereich der Tagesbelastung zu kommen, geschweige denn darüber hinaus. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Amtliche Stelle?! Läßt BING Militärgebiete zensieren!
Hi, On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 04:31:36PM +, Sven Geggus wrote: Hallo zusammen, so viel also zum Thema Open Data... Für alle diejenigen von euch die wie ich das Forum seltener lesen möchte ich dann doch die Diskussion auch mal hierher bringen. Seit einigen Tagen zensiert Bing Luftbilder von Militärgebieten. Die eigentliche Frechheit daran ist jedoch, dass da wohl irgendein Amt Polygonumrisse geliefert hat und die stammen mit an Sicherheit grenzender Wahrscheinlichkeit aus unserer Datenbank. Ein klarer Verstoß gegen die alte und neue Lizenz von OSM. Wobei es uns natürlich nicht hilft wenn wir da Attribution fordern... Jau - Eben mal verifiziert - Das das geblurrt war hatte ich gesehen, allerdings nicht wenn man in die schraegbilder weiter reinzoomt - Komisch. Ich habe mir den Militaerflughafen der Briten in Harsewinkel/Marienfeld angesehen. Das Polygon ist von OSM, mit allen Fehlern die noch drin sind. Grundsaetzlich finde ich es klasse das anscheinend OSM als qualitative Quelle angesehen wird. Bloed find ich das das fuer so destruktive Zwecke eingesetzt wird. Flo -- Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Night of the living maps 07.02.2012 - API-Überlastung vorbeugen
Oki doki, hatte mich schon etwas gewundert, da ich die Admins vorher konsultiert hatte und die auch Entwarnung gegeben hatten ;) Gruß Matthias Am 02.02.2012 10:14, schrieb Robert S.: 2012/2/1 Roland Olbrichtroland.olbri...@gmx.de Liebe JOSM-Nutzer, um mit dem kommenden Mapping-Event nicht so schnell die Main API zu verstopfen, wie es in der Vergangenheit leider mehrmals mit der Folge von IP- Adress-Blockaden passiert ist,... Die Befürchtung, dass die NOTLM die API überlasten würde, halte ich für gänzlich unbegründet. Die Auslastung der API ist während der europäischen Nacht auf ihrem Tagesminimum. Ich bezweifle, dass das Event ausreicht um annähernd auch nur in den Bereich der Tagesbelastung zu kommen, geschweige denn darüber hinaus. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Night of the living maps 07.02.2012 - API-Überlastung vorbeugen
Hallo. Am 02.02.2012 09:32, schrieb Matthias Meißer: Könnte mir jemand noch mal kurz erklären, durch was ein Bann ausgelöst wird? Wenn zu viele Edits von einem Account ausgehen? (wäre bei Demo-Accounts für die Party wohl der Fall) oder wenn man zu goße Gebiete herunterlädt? Gesperrt wird, wer die Server über Gebühr belastet bzw. auffällig unkonstruktive Dinge tut. Das kann eine (exorbitant) große Zahl von Edits sein, das ist aber eher schwer weil z.B. Importe, Bots und ähnliches die Messlatte dafür sehr hoch legen. Riesige Gebiete auf einmal von der API herunterladen wird ja sowieso verhindert, da kann man also nicht versehentlich in eine Sperre geraten. Anders sieht es aus wenn man gezielt diese Sperre umgeht indem man (automatisiert) sehr viele leicht versetzte Download-Anfragen ausführt. Wenn sowas über eine gewisse Zeit praktiziert wird, dann muss man damit rechnen dass das jemandem auffällt. Gruß, Bernd signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Projekt Offenes Köln mit OSM-Daten
Hi, feedback an offeneskoeln.uservoice.com Mfg Marc Am 02.02.2012 um 09:50 schrieb Philip Gillißen: Hallo! Ich finde die Aufmachung und die Umsetzung sehr schön. Chic gestaltet, aber nicht zu übertrieben. Sehr angenehm. Auch Leaflet macht sich einfach gut. Ich habe es gerade mal mit einer Adresse außerhalb von Köln versucht. Die Fehlermeldung ist leider nicht wirklich zutreffend. Es wird angezeigt, dass doch bitte eine Hausnummer oder eine PLZ angegeben werden soll. Vielleicht könnte man bei auswärtigen Straßen einen anderen Fehler ausgeben. Gruß, Philip -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Projekt-Offenes-Koln-mit-OSM-Daten-tp5447431p5450043.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Potlach 2 - kein bing-Hintergrund-Bild mehr bei Militaerflaechen
Tirkon tirko...@yahoo.de wrote: Wenn es tatsächlich so ist, dass die Bundeswehr unsere Polygone an Bing gesendet hat, um ihre Gebiete zu blurren, hat sie mich schwer enttäuscht. Das AGeoBw hätte sicher keine OSM Polygone geliefert sondern etwas besseres. Gruss Sven -- TCP/IP: telecommunication protocol for imbibing pilsners (Man-page uubp(1C) on Debian/GNU Linux) /me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Potlach 2 - kein bing-Hintergrund-Bild mehr bei Militaerflaechen
Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Wenn wir nach politischen Wünschen und lokalen Gesetzen sämtlicher Einzelstaaten die Datenbank ausrichten würden, dann gute Nacht. +1 Falls es in Deutschland Gesetze geben sollte die dazu führen, dass Teile unserer Daten illegal sind, dann sollte man diese schnellstmöglich abschaffen. Gruss Sven -- A strategy for rewarding artists that regulates 'copies' makes as much sense in the digital age as a strategy for controlling greenhouse gases that regulates breathing. (Lawrence Lessig) /me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Mapnik2 und deutscher Stil
Josias Polchau sp...@youseeus.de wrote: Inzwischen ist die Weiterentwicklung von mapnik-en soweit fortgeschritten, dass es m.e. einfacher wäre ein Diff zwischen altem mapnik-en und mapnik-de zu erstellen, und dann halbautomatisch jeweils auf die aktuelle Version von mapnik-en anzuwenden. Da wir Aussicht haben das Ganze zeitnah auf weltweites Rendering erweitern zu können sollten wir das dringend mal angehen. Wenn jemand zum Hacking Wochenende nach Karlsruhe kommen möchte wäre das cool, denn da steht der neue Server sehr wahrscheinlich schon zur Verfügung. Gruss Sven -- TCP/IP: telecommunication protocol for imbibing pilsners (Man-page uubp(1C) on Debian/GNU Linux) /me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Mapnik2 und deutscher Stil
Am 02.02.2012 11:42, schrieb Sven Geggus: Da wir Aussicht haben das Ganze zeitnah auf weltweites Rendering erweitern zu können sollten wir das dringend mal angehen. Die inc-Dateien habe ich schon manuell übertragen. Die Haupt-xml fehlt noch, und die inc Landcover, die es damals noch nicht gab. Wenn jemand zum Hacking Wochenende nach Karlsruhe kommen möchte wäre das cool, denn da steht der neue Server sehr wahrscheinlich schon zur Verfügung. bin ich nicht zugegen. Mit dem Server und Linux-BS kenne ich mich auch nicht aus. Ich könnte euch bis dahin den Stil als Zip bereitstellen, kann aber nicht für 100% Übereinstimmung garantieren. Ackerflächen sind bei mir gaaanz dezent gelb, und Straßen im Bau hab ich wieder rein genommen, geplante bleiben außen vor. Ausserdem habe ich tracks lieber als Doppellinie. Noch ein Stolperstein: Bei mir (Windows-Version) will proj kein +init=epsg:4326 verstehen. Den Langtext bei entities.xml.inc eingetragen schluckt es aber. Ich weiß jetzt nicht, ob das im Python- oder im C-Teil verbockt ist. Gruß, André Joost ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Potlach 2 - kein bing-Hintergrund-Bild mehr bei Militaerflaechen
Sven Geggus wrote Das AGeoBw hätte sicher keine OSM Polygone geliefert sondern etwas besseres. Man könnte schon fast Absicht und nicht Faulheit vermuten. Unsere Polygone sind schlechter als deren - Just to confuse the Russians sagte man früher dazu ;) Gruss Walter -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Potlach-2-kein-bing-Hintergrund-Bild-mehr-bei-Militaerflaechen-tp5437617p5450459.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Amtliche Stelle?! Läßt BING Militärgebiete zensieren!
Moin Flo, was verstehst Du unter destruktiv? Klaus Am Donnerstag, den 02.02.2012, 10:26 +0100 schrieb Florian Lohoff: Hi, On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 04:31:36PM +, Sven Geggus wrote: Hallo zusammen, so viel also zum Thema Open Data... Für alle diejenigen von euch die wie ich das Forum seltener lesen möchte ich dann doch die Diskussion auch mal hierher bringen. Seit einigen Tagen zensiert Bing Luftbilder von Militärgebieten. Die eigentliche Frechheit daran ist jedoch, dass da wohl irgendein Amt Polygonumrisse geliefert hat und die stammen mit an Sicherheit grenzender Wahrscheinlichkeit aus unserer Datenbank. Ein klarer Verstoß gegen die alte und neue Lizenz von OSM. Wobei es uns natürlich nicht hilft wenn wir da Attribution fordern... Jau - Eben mal verifiziert - Das das geblurrt war hatte ich gesehen, allerdings nicht wenn man in die schraegbilder weiter reinzoomt - Komisch. Ich habe mir den Militaerflughafen der Briten in Harsewinkel/Marienfeld angesehen. Das Polygon ist von OSM, mit allen Fehlern die noch drin sind. Grundsaetzlich finde ich es klasse das anscheinend OSM als qualitative Quelle angesehen wird. Bloed find ich das das fuer so destruktive Zwecke eingesetzt wird. Flo ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Amtliche Stelle?! Läßt BING Militärgebiete zensieren!
Moin, gucks Du da, 8.8846104,51.9315003,8.8927320,51.9351253 ist falsch in OSM aber auch falsch verpixelt. Klaus Am Dienstag, den 31.01.2012, 16:31 + schrieb Sven Geggus: Hallo zusammen, so viel also zum Thema Open Data... Für alle diejenigen von euch die wie ich das Forum seltener lesen möchte ich dann doch die Diskussion auch mal hierher bringen. Seit einigen Tagen zensiert Bing Luftbilder von Militärgebieten. Die eigentliche Frechheit daran ist jedoch, dass da wohl irgendein Amt Polygonumrisse geliefert hat und die stammen mit an Sicherheit grenzender Wahrscheinlichkeit aus unserer Datenbank. Ein klarer Verstoß gegen die alte und neue Lizenz von OSM. Wobei es uns natürlich nicht hilft wenn wir da Attribution fordern... Hier bei der ehemaligen Rhönkaserne (die sogar gar kein Militärgebiet mehr ist) kann man das seht gut sehen, denn da ist unser Polygon besonders schlecht: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/43225781 http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=15lat=50.37561lon=9.93446layers=B00T Hier ist die Diskussion im Forum: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=217818 Und hier ist die zugehörige Wikiseite: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing/2012_Germany_Military_Blurring Sebstverständlich sind die Gebiete über die WMS Server der Ämter und bei Google weiterhin frei im Internet zu begutachten. Man fragt sich schon was das zu diesem Zeitpunkt noch soll. Da steht Google Earth nun schon mehr als 10 Jahre jedem kostenlos zur Verfügung und jetzt plötzlich soll das schlimm sein. Ohne Worte, echt! Sven ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Mapnik2 und deutscher Stil
Andre Joost andre+jo...@nurfuerspam.de wrote: Die inc-Dateien habe ich schon manuell übertragen. Die Haupt-xml fehlt noch, und die inc Landcover, die es damals noch nicht gab. Check das doch bitte in SVN in einen separaten Ordner ein, wenn Du fertig ist dann kann ich das mal ausprobieren. Mit dem Server und Linux-BS kenne ich mich auch nicht aus. Wer beim Stil mitarbeiten möchte braucht sich nicht mit dem Server auskennen. Unix Grundkenntnisse sind aber natürlich vorteilhaft. Sven -- Das Internet ist kein rechtsfreier Raum, das Internet ist aber auch kein bürgerrechtsfreier Raum. (Wolfgang Wieland Bündnis 90/Die Grünen) /me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Mapnik2 und deutscher Stil
Am 02.02.2012 14:02, schrieb Sven Geggus: Check das doch bitte in SVN in einen separaten Ordner ein, wenn Du fertig ist dann kann ich das mal ausprobieren. ... wenn ich wüsste, wie das geht :-( Ich kann grad mal svn checkout bedienen... Bin halt kein Programmierer. Gruß, André Joost ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Mapnik2 und deutscher Stil
Am 2. Februar 2012 14:14 schrieb Andre Joost andre+jo...@nurfuerspam.de: Am 02.02.2012 14:02, schrieb Sven Geggus: Check das doch bitte in SVN in einen separaten Ordner ein, wenn Du fertig ist dann kann ich das mal ausprobieren. ... wenn ich wüsste, wie das geht :-( Du müsstest das erstmal bei Dir lokal kopieren in einen separaten Unter-Ordner (mit svn, also svn cp trunk branches/mapnik2-wip oder so, bzw. mit GUI) und diesen Ordner dann ungefähr so einchecken (habs nicht ausprobiert): svn commit branches/mapnik2-wip -m Text mit einer Beschreibung Deiner Änderungen Das entweder im Hauptverzeichnis des Mapnik-Stils ausführen oder die Pfadangaben anpassen. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Night of the living maps 07.02.2012 - API-Überlastung vorbeugen
Robert S. osm-mail at autobahnen-europa.eu writes: Die Befürchtung, dass die NOTLM die API überlasten würde, halte ich für gänzlich unbegründet. Die Auslastung der API ist während der europäischen Nacht auf ihrem Tagesminimum. Ich bezweifle, dass das Event ausreicht um annähernd auch nur in den Bereich der Tagesbelastung zu kommen, geschweige denn darüber hinaus. Kommt darauf an, ab wann für die betroffenen so die Nacht beginnt. Also ich habe mir den Tag komplett freigehalten. Schon weil eine echte Night of the living maps für mich kaum machbar ist. Scheitert am unglücklichen Termin mitten in der Woche. Ich gehe einfach mal davon aus, dass ich kaum der einzige sein werde, der am Morgen darauf wieder Arbeiten gehen muss. Macht das das nächste Mal an einem Freitag! Solange mir das keiner verbietet werde ich dennoch meine Nachmittags-Changesets mit #notlm taggen. Gruß Manuel ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] FOSSGIS - Anmeldung jetzt moeglich
Hallo, das Konferenzprogramm zur FOSSGIS (20.-22.3. in Dessau) steht: http://www.fossgis.de/konferenz/2012/programm/ hier kann man sich zur Konferenz anmelden: https://www.fossgis.de/civicrm/event/register?id=2reset=1 Der Eintritt kostet nominell 120 Euro (75 Euro ermaessigt). Von diesen Eintrittsgeldern (und den Erloesen aus den Workshops) finanziert sich die Konferenz. Wer also einen Eintritt zahlen *kann*, z.B. weil er die Moeglichkeit hat, dienstlich an der Konferenz teilzunehmen und den Preis vom Arbeitgeber zahlen zu lassen, dem sind wir dankbar. Ansonsten gibt es aber freien Eintritt fuer alle Aktiven in der Open Source- und OSM-Community, d.h. jeder Mapper braucht einfach nur die 0 Euro anzukreuzen und im Feld Begruendung fuer Ermassigung zu schreiben, dass er bei OSM dabei ist. (Der Social Event am Dienstag abend kostet fuer *alle* 45 Euro, egal ob Mapper oder nicht. Darin sind Essen und ueblicherweise auch eine Getraenke-Flatrate enthalten. Details zu dieser Abendveranstaltung kenne ich noch nicht.) Ich wuerde mich freuen, viele von Euch in Dessau zu treffen! Ausser zahlreichen Vortraegen aus dem OSM- und GIS-Bereich (es gibt 2 parallele GIS-Tracks und einen OSM-Track) ist auch wieder ein OSM-Quiz geplant. Ferner streben die OSMF und der FOSSGIS an, dass der FOSSGIS das offizielle local chapter der OSMF wird. Zwar ist er das de facto schon, aber wir haben uns nie darum gekuemmert, das irgendwie auszuformulieren - was ist die Rolle der beiden Organisationen, wie arbeiten sie zusammen und so weiter. Dieses Thema wollen wir auf der FOSSGIS in einer 90minuetigen Community Session diskutieren (und hoffentlich zu Ergebnissen kommen). Bye Frederik ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Die spinnnen, die Gallier
Hallo, http://www.golem.de/news/google-maps-kostenlose-karten-in-frankreich-nicht-erlaubt-1202-89517.html Ohne Worte Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Die spinnnen, die Gallier
2012/2/2 Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu: http://www.golem.de/news/google-maps-kostenlose-karten-in-frankreich-nicht-erlaubt-1202-89517.html Ohne Worte Dann kann man nur hoffen, dass dieser französische Kartenanbieter nicht als nächstes OSM verklagt. Wir schaden sicherlich auch dem Wettbewerb der Kommerziellen, da wir unsere Karten ebenfalls kostenlos anbieten (SCNR). Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Mapnik2 und deutscher Stil
Moin, so einfach geht das nicht, Du solltest Dir eventuell einen Paten aus der Liste suchen, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Getting_The_Source#Getting_SVN_Commit_Access Klaus Am Donnerstag, den 02.02.2012, 14:33 +0100 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Am 2. Februar 2012 14:14 schrieb Andre Joost andre+jo...@nurfuerspam.de: Am 02.02.2012 14:02, schrieb Sven Geggus: Check das doch bitte in SVN in einen separaten Ordner ein, wenn Du fertig ist dann kann ich das mal ausprobieren. ... wenn ich wüsste, wie das geht :-( Du müsstest das erstmal bei Dir lokal kopieren in einen separaten Unter-Ordner (mit svn, also svn cp trunk branches/mapnik2-wip oder so, bzw. mit GUI) und diesen Ordner dann ungefähr so einchecken (habs nicht ausprobiert): svn commit branches/mapnik2-wip -m Text mit einer Beschreibung Deiner Änderungen Das entweder im Hauptverzeichnis des Mapnik-Stils ausführen oder die Pfadangaben anpassen. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Kostenlose Karten in Frankreich nicht erlaubt...
Hallo zusammen, das hier könnte auch für uns OSM'ler interessant sein? Kostenlose Karten in Frankreich nicht erlaubt http://www.golem.de/news/google-maps-kostenlose-karten-in-frankreich-nicht-erlaubt-1202-89517.html Grüße aus dem Elsass! ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Mapnik2 und deutscher Stil
Klaus-Hermann Otto Stanislaus Plöger k.ploe...@gastradata.de wrote: so einfach geht das nicht, Du solltest Dir eventuell einen Paten aus der Liste suchen, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Getting_The_Source#Getting_SVN_Commit_Access Wenn er das braucht ist das einfach zu bekommen. Fürs erste kann er mir gerne mal den geänderten Stil schicken. Gruss Sven -- If we want hardware to work to its full potential, we need to claim to be a recent version of Windows. (Matthew Garrett) /me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] osmfilter und ungleich-Vergleich
Kann jemand bestätigen, dass Ungleich nicht funktioniert bei
Osmfilter? Oder vielleicht setze ich es auch nur falsch ein. Alle
meine bisherigen Versuche hatten bisher nicht zum gewünschten Ergebnis
geführt.
Z.B. osmfilter italy-all.o5m --keep= --keep-nodes=( ref=SS* or
ref=SR* or ref=SP* or ref=A* ) and highway!= nodes.osm
sollte alle Nodes mit den entspr. Refs. zum Vorschein bringen, die
keinen highway-tag haben (und eigentlich dachte ich, dass damit auch
die zugehörigen Ways und ggf. Relationen auftauchen würden). Beides
ist aber nicht der Fall, es werden nur nodes gefunden, und die haben
auch noch alle einen highway-tag auf dem node.
Auch mit dieser Abfrage gabs ein Problem:
osmfilter $FILENAME.o5m --keep=( railway=station or railway=halt )
and disused!=yes ${FILENAME}_station.osm
da wurde gar nichts gefunden.
Muss man das != irgendwie escapen (oder nutze ich sonst irgendwie eine
falsche Syntax), oder gibt es da noch ein grundsätzliches Problem?
Zusatzfrage: gibt es irgendwie eine Möglichkeit bei der ersten Abfrage
z.B. so zu filtern, dass alle Nodes gefunden werden, die ein ref-tag
haben und Teil eines ways sind, der einen highway-tag hat? Ich könnte
das natürlich mit 2 Durchgängen machen, erst alle highways, dann die
entsprechenden Nodes...
Gruß Martin
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Re: [Talk-de] Kostenlose Karten in Frankreich nicht erlaubt...
Ich dachte zuerst, die spinnen die Franzosen als ich den deutschen Bericht gelesen habe. In dem Link dort zur Agenturmeldung der AFP wird aber das etwas konkretisiert. Es geht weniger um kostenlose Karten, sondern eher um unlauteren Wettbewerb weil Google seine dominante Marktposition benutzt, um Konkurrenten auszuschalten. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Kostenlose-Karten-in-Frankreich-nicht-erlaubt-tp5450784p5450917.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Germanen sind zu blöd Gerichtsurteile zu lesen.
From: Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu Message-ID: 20120202135333.gh2...@an3as.eu http://www.golem.de/news/google-maps-kostenlose-karten-in-frankreich-nicht-erlaubt-1202-89517.html Tja, Wettbewerbsrecht ist eben nicht für jeden. Und wer's nicht versteht, der produziert BILD-Schlagzeilen. -jha- ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Neue Idee für's lanes-mapping
Vielleicht hier auch interessant: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-at/2012-February/003769.html ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Amtliche Stelle?! Läßt BING Militärgebiete zensieren!
On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 01:21:35PM +0100, Klaus-Hermann Otto Stanislaus Plöger wrote: Moin Flo, was verstehst Du unter destruktiv? Luftbilder verpixeln nenne ich destruktiv. Kennst du eigentlich das hier: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOFU Flo -- Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Neue Idee für's lanes-mapping
Hallo. Am 02.02.2012 16:37, schrieb Martin Vonwald: Vielleicht hier auch interessant: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-at/2012-February/003769.html Ich finde das ist der erste Ansatz zu diesem Thema der einfach genug ist um das Zeug zum so machen wir's zu haben. Danke für den Vorschlag! Schwierig (wenngleich aber logisch und notwendig) ist die Unterscheidung von Komma und Semikolon, das enthält Potenzial für fiese Tippfehler und destruktive Verschlimmbesserungen durch Bots. ;-) Gruß, Bernd -- Das Ärgerlichste in dieser Welt ist, daß die Dummen todsicher und die Intelligenten voller Zweifel sind. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Neue Idee für's lanes-mapping
Schwierig (wenngleich aber logisch und notwendig) ist die Unterscheidung von Komma und Semikolon, das enthält Potenzial für fiese Tippfehler und destruktive Verschlimmbesserungen durch Bots. ;-) Absolut korrekt, aber die Alternativen sind rar. Es muss ein einfaches, halbwegs intuitives Zeichen sein und der Strichpunkt ist nun schon mal Standard für die Trennung mehrerer Werte pro Schlüssel und daher nicht wegzudiskutieren. Ich dachte zuerst an einen Doppelpunkt zur Trennung der Werte pro Spur, aber das ist auch nicht besser. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
