Re: [talk-ph] West Philippine Sea
Just in case you have not seen these maps. http://forum.globaltimes.cn/forum/showthread.php?t=28865page=24 Noli On 9/12/12, Noli Sicad nsi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Have you read this AO on West Philippine Sea? http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/09/12/12/pnoy-signs-ao-west-philippine-sea Noli ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] New bing imagery Batch 9
Just a correction: The following two places have imagery from Bing Batch 8 since June. Calayan Islands and northern islands and the rest of Cagayan: http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#19.31175,121.468749,14 Babuyan Island: http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#19.519872,121.93335,14 The rest seem to be recent. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[OSM-talk-be] Ed Parsons (Geospatial Technologist Google) geeft een lezing in Leuven morgenavond
Misschien wel interessant om eens te horen wat hij te vertellen heeft? http://www.ac2012-leuven.eu/lectureInfo.php?lectureID=4 Geen inschrijving nodig en publiek toegankelijk. Polyglot ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] highway-tag per ongeluk verwijderd
Op 12 september 2012 17:49 schreef Joren DC joren.libreoff...@telenet.behet volgende: Hey Jo, Bedankt voor je reply! Ik was het gisteren al van plan, maar het is er niet meer van gekomen. Bedankt voor het toevoegen van busroutes! Ik heb de 555 wel ontdubbeld. We maken 1 routerelatie per richting aan. Zo is het heel duidelijk welke weg de bus volgt en welke haltes bij die richting horen. De ways hebben dan geen rollen nodig en de haltes krijgen als role 'platform'. Busroute 555 heb ik niet toegevoegd :-). Welke waren dan wel jouw werk? Ik weet het, ik kan ook in de edit history gaan kijken... Als je dat ook met de andere wenst te doen, een paar tips: (In de veronderstelling dat je dat met JOSM doet) Dupliceer de relatie en wissel from en to om in de kopie. Sluit de relation editor vensters. Duid nu alle haltes en ways aan die niet bij een bepaalde richting horen aan. Als je klaar bent, dubbelklik je op de relatie voor die richting en dan op het vuilbakje. Nu kan je ze laten sorteren en dan is het meteen duidelijk of het een ononderbroken lijn vormt. Als ik dubbelklik op de relatie zie ik een hele waslijst van 'Leden'. De meeste Leden hebben 'incompleet' staan bij 'Verwijst naar'. In het 'relation editor pane' (de rechthoek waar de lijst met relaties staat aan de rechterkant) met de rechtermuisknop op de relatie klikken en dan 'download incomplete members'. Je kan er met control left click ook een paar tegelijk selecteren en het dan op 1 ervan rechts klikken. Ook zijn er een heel deel dat rol 'Forward' hebben. Moet ik mij hier iets van aantrekken? Al de 'Forward'-leden geven ook blijkbaar een melding dat 'weg niet verboden is met vorig of volgend lid van de relatie'. Volgens http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/%C3%96pnvkarte#Roles_of_the_members is dit van toepassing op éénrichtingsstraten waar de bus netjes de weg volgt (niet tegen de richting in rijdt). Dit is voor heel de rit van toepassing. Hoe kan ik de melding 'niet verbonden' wegkrijgen dan? Die pagina geeft aan hoe je het kan doen als je 1 relatie voor beide richtingen gebruikt. Mijn voorkeur gaat uit naar een relatie per richting en dan hoeven de ways geen role meer te hebben. Groeten, Jo ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] highway-tag per ongeluk verwijderd
Op 12/09/12 19:16, Jo schreef: Op 12 september 2012 17:49 schreef Joren DC joren.libreoff...@telenet.be mailto:joren.libreoff...@telenet.be het volgende: Hey Jo, Bedankt voor je reply! Ik was het gisteren al van plan, maar het is er niet meer van gekomen. Bedankt voor het toevoegen van busroutes! Ik heb de 555 wel ontdubbeld. We maken 1 routerelatie per richting aan. Zo is het heel duidelijk welke weg de bus volgt en welke haltes bij die richting horen. De ways hebben dan geen rollen nodig en de haltes krijgen als role 'platform'. Busroute 555 heb ik niet toegevoegd :-). Welke waren dan wel jouw werk? Ik weet het, ik kan ook in de edit history gaan kijken... Eigenlijk al de rest in Lier (90, 130, 131, 132, 550, 297, 422, 423, 425, 426, 428, 561) :p. Van de meeste heb ik een 'beginnetje' gemaakt en ben ik van plan om later uit te breiden. Als je dat ook met de andere wenst te doen, een paar tips: (In de veronderstelling dat je dat met JOSM doet) Dupliceer de relatie en wissel from en to om in de kopie. Sluit de relation editor vensters. Duid nu alle haltes en ways aan die niet bij een bepaalde richting horen aan. Als je klaar bent, dubbelklik je op de relatie voor die richting en dan op het vuilbakje. Nu kan je ze laten sorteren en dan is het meteen duidelijk of het een ononderbroken lijn vormt. Als ik dubbelklik op de relatie zie ik een hele waslijst van 'Leden'. De meeste Leden hebben 'incompleet' staan bij 'Verwijst naar'. In het 'relation editor pane' (de rechthoek waar de lijst met relaties staat aan de rechterkant) met de rechtermuisknop op de relatie klikken en dan 'download incomplete members'. Je kan er met control left click ook een paar tegelijk selecteren en het dan op 1 ervan rechts klikken. Ook zijn er een heel deel dat rol 'Forward' hebben. Moet ik mij hier iets van aantrekken? Al de 'Forward'-leden geven ook blijkbaar een melding dat 'weg niet verboden is met vorig of volgend lid van de relatie'. Volgens http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/%C3%96pnvkarte#Roles_of_the_members is dit van toepassing op éénrichtingsstraten waar de bus netjes de weg volgt (niet tegen de richting in rijdt). Dit is voor heel de rit van toepassing. Hoe kan ik de melding 'niet verbonden' wegkrijgen dan? Die pagina geeft aan hoe je het kan doen als je 1 relatie voor beide richtingen gebruikt. Mijn voorkeur gaat uit naar een relatie per richting en dan hoeven de ways geen role meer te hebben. Perfect, ik heb de 'forward'-role verwijderd. Bedankt voor je hulp! Ik waardeer het echt. Groet, Joren ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-legal-talk] Mapnik attribution
I'm sorry if this is already discussed. After the license change to ODbL, how should I change the attribution of mapnik tiles using openlayers like this: http://osm.jp Like this? Map tile (c) CC BY-SA 2.0 OpenStreetMap Or like this? Map data (c) ODbL 1.0 OpenStreetMap contributors and Map tile (c) CC BY-SA 2.0 OpenStreetMap Shu Higashi ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Mapnik attribution
Shu Higashi wrote: Map data (c) ODbL 1.0 OpenStreetMap contributors and Map tile (c) CC BY-SA 2.0 OpenStreetMap That would be fine, but you could also do: (c) OpenStreetMap contributors: license where license is hyperlinked to http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/OSM-legal-talk-Mapnik-attribution-tp5724875p5724876.html Sent from the Legal Talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Mapnik attribution
(c) OpenStreetMap contributors: license where license is hyperlinked to http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright I will do so. Thank you. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/OSM-legal-talk-Mapnik-attribution-tp5724875p5724876.html Sent from the Legal Talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap GPS Points Map
Well, I'm not an expert, but as when you upload a GPX track it gives you 4 options for visibility for each track, then that choice is effectively the extent of how you licence that individual track for use by anyone (as well as whatever licence the full database of points is released under). If you don't want your gpx files to be available to other mappers, don't upload them. If you've changed your mind then delete them. Ed ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] I would like to add names in languages of French Polynesia. How to do ?
Hi, I added many points with multiple languages with name:fr, name:en, name:ja, name:ja_rm, name:ja_kana. I would like to add names in languages of French Polynesia. How to do ? ISO code for writing and speaking is the same ? - Tahitian. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tahitian_language. ISO 639-1: ty. ISO 639-2: tah. ISO 639-3: tah. Personnally, I prefer use tah from ISO 639-3, but can I arbitrarily use ISO 639-3 instead of ISO 639-1 ? Until recently, historically, because of religious influences, there were two ways of writing tahitian language : - one from protestants (http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Syst%C3%A8me_graphique_de_l%E2%80%99%C3%89glise_Protestante_Maohi), - one from catholics which could be the standard (http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Syst%C3%A8me_graphique_de_l%E2%80%99Acad%C3%A9mie_tahitienne). How to differentiate the two writing systems ? - Marquesan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquesan_language. Two dialects. ISO 639-3: mrq – North Marquesan, mqm – South Marquesan. - Tuamotuan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuamotuan_language. ISO 639-3: pmt. - Mangareva. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangareva_language. ISO 639-3: mrv. - Austral. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austral_language. ISO 639-3: aut. - Rapa. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapa_language. ISO 639-3: ray. - … Bye. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Licence change
Hello all, If you go to: http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright you might notice a slight difference. :) OSM data downloaded after 9am today is now licensed under the Open Database Licence. The first ODbL-licensed planet.osm file is currently being generated. These pages summarise the main changes: http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/ODbL/License_Transition/Guidance_To_Data_Consumers The main supporting documents on the wiki have been updated but translations and some of the more obscure documents will need attention. Our recommended attribution is now © OpenStreetMap contributors plus a link to www.openstreetmap.org/copyright . That page then gives further details of the ODbL and other relevant information. cheers Richard [Please check follow-ups when replying. Feel free to forward to local mailing lists/forums.] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] I would like to add names in languages of French Polynesia. How to do ?
On 12/09/12 10:02, LIVINE Christin wrote: I added many points with multiple languages with name:fr, name:en, name:ja, name:ja_rm, name:ja_kana. I would like to add names in languages of French Polynesia. How to do ? ISO code for writing and speaking is the same ? That's not a simple question, but in generally I think they are mostly about writing and I'm not sure how well they can differentiate between different pronunciations of the same language. - Tahitian. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tahitian_language. ISO 639-1: ty. ISO 639-2: tah. ISO 639-3: tah. Personnally, I prefer use tah from ISO 639-3, but can I arbitrarily use ISO 639-3 instead of ISO 639-1 ? I would have thought it was generally better to use the two letter tag from ISO 639-1 where one exists and only use the three letter tag when that is actually necessary. What is your reason for preferring the 639-3 three letter tag? Until recently, historically, because of religious influences, there were two ways of writing tahitian language : - one from protestants (http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Syst%C3%A8me_graphique_de_l%E2%80%99%C3%89glise_Protestante_Maohi), - one from catholics which could be the standard (http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Syst%C3%A8me_graphique_de_l%E2%80%99Acad%C3%A9mie_tahitienne). How to differentiate the two writing systems ? Are there not script subtags or something that will differentiate between these? There usually are where multiple orthographies exist for a language. - Marquesan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquesan_language. Two dialects. ISO 639-3: mrq – North Marquesan, mqm – South Marquesan. - Tuamotuan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuamotuan_language. ISO 639-3: pmt. - Mangareva. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangareva_language. ISO 639-3: mrv. - Austral. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austral_language. ISO 639-3: aut. - Rapa. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapa_language. ISO 639-3: ray. If these only exist in 639-3 then I would say the three letter tag is fine. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] I would like to add names in languages of French Polynesia. How to do ?
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:02 AM, LIVINE Christin l...@mail.pf wrote: Hi, I added many points with multiple languages with name:fr, name:en, name:ja, name:ja_rm, name:ja_kana. I would like to add names in languages of French Polynesia. How to do ? ISO code for writing and speaking is the same ? Yes and no, and this is one of the assumptions that is responsible for the language tagging mess we currently have. For example, writing system for a language can also include specifics of the script as one language can be written down in multiple scripts. As I've been arguing before, I think OSM should start following BCP 47 [1]. Most of the time, ISO 639 code will suffice, but for the above example of Japanese, ja_rm is an invalid code. ja_kana is not canonical (ja-Kana to BCP 47) but systems should parse this form as well. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IETF_language_tag ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] I would like to add names in languages of French Polynesia. How to do ?
On 12/09/12 10:25, Miloš Komarčević wrote: For example, writing system for a language can also include specifics of the script as one language can be written down in multiple scripts. As I've been arguing before, I think OSM should start following BCP 47 [1]. I thought we mostly did, except perhaps for a tendency to use underscore instead of dash as the separator. I was actually just hunting through the IANA registry to see if I could find variants for the languages in question - you can find it here: http://www.iana.org/assignments/language-subtag-registry Haven't found anything yet, though I did discover that en-GB-scouse is a valid tag ;-) Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Licence change
There is also a need for other changes. In Italy we have many contributions from some PAs - ISTAT National Institute of Statistics (Italy) - Satellite Images from Portale Cartografico Nazionale - Regione Emilia-Romagna - Regione Friuli Venezia Giulia - Regione Piemonte - Regione Veneto - Provincia Autonoma di Trento - Comune di Merano - Comune di Pavia - Comune di Schio ... and other that i must discover :) On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Hello all, If you go to: http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright you might notice a slight difference. :) OSM data downloaded after 9am today is now licensed under the Open Database Licence. The first ODbL-licensed planet.osm file is currently being generated. These pages summarise the main changes: http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/ODbL/License_Transition/Guidance_To_Data_Consumers The main supporting documents on the wiki have been updated but translations and some of the more obscure documents will need attention. Our recommended attribution is now © OpenStreetMap contributors plus a link to www.openstreetmap.org/copyright . That page then gives further details of the ODbL and other relevant information. cheers Richard [Please check follow-ups when replying. Feel free to forward to local mailing lists/forums.] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Maurizio Napo Napolitano http://de.straba.us ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Elections - congratulations and thank you
I am back in DC now from a great State of the Map Tokyo. Congratulations to Frederik, Henk and Simon to their election to the board. I am looking forward to working with each one of you. A big thank you to the 62 individuals who have given me their support [1]. Even if my bid didn't make it, I am glad I stood for election. Based on my manifesto built on bringing in a new comer's perspective [2] I had many great conversations which will be very helpful moving this agenda forward. I am planning to work on improving the OSM onramp outside of the board, here's one concrete step you could get involved with: https://github.com/hotosm/learnosm/issues/1 Alex [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM12/Election_to_Board [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Lxbarth/2012_OSMF_Board_Elections_Manifesto PS: Turnout wasn't exactly exhilerating. About 160 voters? Dermot has the exact number. We should have more participation, the board matters. Signing up takes a minute and is a simple way to support a great project: http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Join Don't make not having the 15 pound stop you - apply for a waiver, perfectly legit: http://blog.osmfoundation.org/contact/ Alex Barth http://twitter.com/lxbarth tel (+1) 202 250 3633 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] I would like to add names in languages of French Polynesia. How to do ?
Sorry, didn't reply to list... On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 12/09/12 10:25, Miloš Komarčević wrote: For example, writing system for a language can also include specifics of the script as one language can be written down in multiple scripts. As I've been arguing before, I think OSM should start following BCP 47 [1]. I thought we mostly did, except perhaps for a tendency to use underscore instead of dash as the separator. Mostly, because most of the tags just use ISO 639 _only_. But then there are: ja_rm and ko_rm - Japanese and Korean as written when in some road vehicles from 1949 on Madagascar ;) zh_tw and zh_cn instead of zh-Hant and zh-Hans to distinguish traditional vs simplified Chinese (as if you can never write traditional on the mainland?) ...and probably some other examples. Re, separator and lowercase, it is not canonical according to BCP 47, but the spec says systems should be tolerant to this other format as well, so that's less of an issue. M On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 12/09/12 10:25, Miloš Komarčević wrote: For example, writing system for a language can also include specifics of the script as one language can be written down in multiple scripts. As I've been arguing before, I think OSM should start following BCP 47 [1]. I thought we mostly did, except perhaps for a tendency to use underscore instead of dash as the separator. I was actually just hunting through the IANA registry to see if I could find variants for the languages in question - you can find it here: http://www.iana.org/assignments/language-subtag-registry Haven't found anything yet, though I did discover that en-GB-scouse is a valid tag ;-) Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] I would like to add names in languages of French Polynesia. How to do ?
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: Technically zh-TW-Hant and zh-HK-Hant would be valid to distinguish traditional chinese as used in Taiwan from that used in Hong Kong and likewise for zh-CN-Hans vs zh-SG-Hans even without considering more unusual cases like traditional chinese used on the mainland ;-) Again, these are not valid, please do not spread the confusion. It goes lang-Script-COUNTRY. M ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Licence change
Maurizio We currently have a bit of a mess wrt how we manage external data sources and imports. Currently each source should have: - a wiki page with the details - in the case of an import a dedicated user account - an entry in the import catalogue - if attribution is necessary outside of changeset tags an entry on - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors or if a major source, an entry on - http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright Everybody who was involved with the nitty gritty details of the licence change has probably realized that the above documentation is woefully incomplete and that the lists are becoming unmanageably large. And from an attribution pov the decision on which page the source lands is rather arbitrary. I've done some thinking about replacing some of the above with a database based solution that would make some aspects easier (by for example generating attribution lists automatically) and will probably whip up a prototype when I get back home from vacation if nobody beats me to it. For now I would suggest simply completing the existing lists. Simon Am 12.09.2012 11:34, schrieb Maurizio Napolitano: There is also a need for other changes. In Italy we have many contributions from some PAs - ISTAT National Institute of Statistics (Italy) - Satellite Images from Portale Cartografico Nazionale - Regione Emilia-Romagna - Regione Friuli Venezia Giulia - Regione Piemonte - Regione Veneto - Provincia Autonoma di Trento - Comune di Merano - Comune di Pavia - Comune di Schio ... and other that i must discover :) On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Hello all, If you go to: http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright you might notice a slight difference. :) OSM data downloaded after 9am today is now licensed under the Open Database Licence. The first ODbL-licensed planet.osm file is currently being generated. These pages summarise the main changes: http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/ODbL/License_Transition/Guidance_To_Data_Consumers The main supporting documents on the wiki have been updated but translations and some of the more obscure documents will need attention. Our recommended attribution is now © OpenStreetMap contributors plus a link to www.openstreetmap.org/copyright . That page then gives further details of the ODbL and other relevant information. cheers Richard [Please check follow-ups when replying. Feel free to forward to local mailing lists/forums.] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Licence change
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Maurizio We currently have a bit of a mess wrt how we manage external data sources and imports. Currently each source should have: yes! You are right. Sorry for the request. [..] or if a major source, an entry on - http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright yes! I want only ask if it's possible add two of the major source for Italy: ISTAT and the permission to digitize information from the aerial photos of the national cartographic portal of Italy In any case is better if i use my time to help to translate the copyright page in italian language. Thanks a lot for your great job ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Licence change
On 12/09/12 11:34, Maurizio Napolitano wrote: On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: [..] or if a major source, an entry on - http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright yes! I want only ask if it's possible add two of the major source for Italy: ISTAT and the permission to digitize information from the aerial photos of the national cartographic portal of Italy Best way is to submit a pull request with the changes. You would need to change two places: https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/blob/master/app/views/site/copyright.html.erb#L48 https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/blob/master/config/locales/en.yml#L1068 Otherwise open a ticket with the requested wording. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap GPS Points Map
On 12/09/2012 05:51, Nick Hocking wrote: mike wrote I have been wondering what the license is on the gps points? That's a good question. I certainly will not be uploading any new GPS track logs until my GPS contributiuons are under the same single license (ODbL) as my other contributions Mike, Nick, We discussed this at the July 24th LWG meeting and made a formal statement: https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1cHyaSBGT3493IvpJmnsAGZeIYeSBY-QieQwdOkh3wXw Item 5 As you can see, we find it very hard to see any creative value that CC-BY-SA can protect and so far have simply advised folks that do not want their traces to be used to remove them. I have now had a further discussion today. What we will now do is this: A full archive of all the publicly visible trace files up to today has not yet been made. This will be done and published under CC-BY-SA at http://planet.openstreetmap.org/gps/ or similar. Once done, (I hesitate to put any technical volunteer on the spot by saying when), we will then remove all traces by non-continuing contributors. If anyone is looking for a definitive point in time when the distribution is absolutely ODbL, this would be it. By the way, *and this is a purely personal aside*, I feel that GPX traces are an ideal area where it is both technically feasible and not too strategically important to experiment with multiple licensing if the community wishes. We could then re-publish CC-BY-SA tracks for individual download but not integrate them into editor views. Mike ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] I would like to add names in languages of French Polynesia. How to do ?
Whao, interesting answers from everyone. I learned many things. I've never thought that IETF are interested by languages in the world, and that IANA have a database of languages. It removes my doubts on translation projects for other softwares (OpenOffice / LibreOffice, spellcheker ...). Le 11/09/2012 23:14, Tom Hughes a écrit : - Tahitian. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tahitian_language. ISO 639-1: ty. ISO 639-2: tah. ISO 639-3: tah. Personnally, I prefer use tah from ISO 639-3, but can I arbitrarily use ISO 639-3 instead of ISO 639-1 ? I would have thought it was generally better to use the two letter tag from ISO 639-1 where one exists and only use the three letter tag when that is actually necessary. What is your reason for preferring the 639-3 three letter tag? Because, the others tags have three letters. And tah is more easy to remember than ty. But I understand that with so many letters, not everyone can be satisfied. I'll use the two letters tag ty. Until recently, historically, because of religious influences, there were two ways of writing tahitian language : - one from protestants (http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Syst%C3%A8me_graphique_de_l%E2%80%99%C3%89glise_Protestante_Maohi), - one from catholics which could be the standard (http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Syst%C3%A8me_graphique_de_l%E2%80%99Acad%C3%A9mie_tahitienne). How to differentiate the two writing systems ? Are there not script subtags or something that will differentiate between these? There usually are where multiple orthographies exist for a language. To my knowledge, in French Polynesia, there is nothing official about the distinction between these two systems of writing, only the writing of the Bible. For almost 20 years, there is an institution for the Tahitian language (Fare Vāna'a, Académie tahitienne http://www.farevanaa.pf), it uses the Catholic writing. But I do not know about his influence in education in Protestant schools. I'll look for informations from these two institutions. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Vespucci 0.8.0 Beta - Call for Testers and Translators
Hello everyone! Vespucci is an OpenStreetMap editor for Android and we are intending to soon release version 0.8.0 as a major upgrade from the current 0.7.0. The changes for this release are: * New Honeycomb style Action Bar user interface, even on pre-HC devices. * New EasyEdit editing mode that unifies all previous editing modes (which are still available for now) into one mode. * Support Undo/Redo. * Show way direction. * Support way reversal and deletion. * Add JOSM preset support in tag editor, customisations can be added. * When tracking position, the direction you're pointing/travelling is shown. * Export GPS tracks as GPX files. * Transfer/Other Location shows coordinates of last location. * Allow installing to SD card. * Allow nothing as a background, drop Osmarender. * Allow downloaded data to be saved as a JOSM-compatible OSC file. * Add support for Croatian, Danish, Japanese, Norwegian, Polish, and Russian languages. * Add crash error reporting using ACRA. * Support alternate OpenStreetMap API servers. * Many other bug fixes and improvements. Right now we'd like people to visit our project download page and download a beta test copy. The latest beta can be found at: http://code.google.com/p/osmeditor4android/downloads/list and the file will be called Vespucci-rXXX.apk, where XXX is 330 as I type this, but it will change to higher numbers when later test versions are built. We intend to keep this updated as often as possible. Apart from giving the new functionality a good test, we'd like to get the various language translations as correct and complete as possible. We currently have support for many languages, of which English is the only one I would expect to be correct and complete. All the others will have issues, some languages more than others. Apart from English, the other languages we currently support are: * Czech * Danish * German * French * Croatian * Hungarian * Italian * Japanese * Norwegian (three variants) * Polish * Russian Any additions (including whole new languages!) and/or corrections would be welcome. We would prefer a ready-to-go UTF-8 encoded strings.xml file, but will try to accept just about anything. The text string files can be found in the SVN trunk at: http://code.google.com/p/osmeditor4android/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fres in the various values folders. values by itself is the default (English) folder. Click on the folder, then click on strings.xml, then on the page that appears right-click on view raw file link over on the right side of the page and save the linked file. Some strings have been marked DO NOT TRANSLATE. Don't even copy them into a strings.xml in a language-specific folder. Just leave them out of translations. If you're a developer, please check out the trunk. Note that the Sequoyah Eclipse plugin (Eclipse Help - Install New Software) could assist editing the various files. Thanks in advance to all our testers and translators. New contributors will be added to our list - see Authors and licenses at the bottom of the application Preferences. Or not, if you prefer. Andrew Gregory, Vespucci developer ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Licence change
On 2012-09-12 11:11, Richard Fairhurst wrote: OSM data downloaded after 9am today is now licensed under the Open Database Licence. at first: a big thanks to all involved in the whole process of licence change! It was a long time effort which came to a good end finally. To nag a little bit (but not too much ;-) and to improve on further announcements (in means of lessons learned): within a multinational worldwide project it is recommended to add a time zone if a time is given. 9am is different in Japan than in UK and the US (which itself has multiple time zones)... Cheers, Michael. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Licence change
2012/9/12 Michael Kugelmann michaelk_...@gmx.de: announcements (in means of lessons learned): within a multinational worldwide project it is recommended to add a time zone if a time is given. I'd expect it to be either zulu-time-zone (UTC+0) or British summer time (UTC+1) (because the seat of OSMF is in London). It should be only relevant to you, if you download data from the API, given that it is supposed to be legally impossible to make a soft license transition by applying diffs to a cc-by-sa planet. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Field Coordinator position for the EUROSHA project - reopening for another 15 days
*Hi,* * * *One month ago, HOT published a Field Coordinator position for the EUROSHA project. As a reminder, EUROSHA is a European Union pilot project that wants to build up a European Open-Source Humanitarian Aid corps of volunteers to address humanitarian issues and specifically ensure inclusive humanitarian information-sharing in crisis preparedness. 26 volunteers from Europe and Africa will be deployed 6 months in 4 African countries (Chad, Central African Republic, Burundi and Kenya) for 6 months, starting mid October. During these missions, HOT will support the volunteers in accomplishing the training, mapping and outreach activities planned for each country during the months of preparation, involving the EUROSHA local partner organization as well as local and international humanitarian organizations, local government institutions, and local tech or social communities. We’d like to thank the persons who applied for the position of Field Coordinator with HOT in the EUROSHA project: there is no doubt that you will be able to contribute greatly to HOT projects in the future and we will be contacting you if any further project arise. Unfortunately the proficiency in French was a criteria insufficiently met by the applicants. Since this project involves three French speaking countries, we decided to reopen this position for another 15 days (until 27-Sept). Work includes one 3 weeks trip in November and potentially a second one over January and February after evaluation of the first deployment. The position requires familiarity with HOT work, experience in the OSM project, strong expertise in JOSM, GPS, QGIS and other open source GIS tools and a commitment to continue supporting the mapping project that would have been set up throughout the mission. Given the the tight deadlines on this project, we will be conducting interviews as application come. **We would also like to encourage people interested in working with HOT on-the-ground to take advantage of this call to apply and get known by us.* * The complete description of the position: http://hot.openstreetmap.org/get_involved/hot_eurosha_field_coordinator_position More information on the Eurosha project: http://hot.openstreetmap.org/projects/eurosha_0 **Sincerely,** * http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/224326500pxHotlogowithtext.png * Severin MENARD Senior Project Lead France tel (+33) 9 7046 7595 Brasil tel1 (+55) 71 3355 4471 Brasil tel2 (+55) 71 8222 1145 Skype ID severin.menard * * * ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Change to ODbL imminent
OFK responded to our picnic to enjoy sandwiches :) http://blog.okfn.org/2012/09/12/open-street-map-has-officially-switched-to-odbl-and-celebrates-with-a-picnic/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+okfn+%28Open+Knowledge+Foundation+Weblog%29 2012/9/12, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com: please translate and propagate to your local lists, and other interested parties. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk-nl] Oude topografische kaarten
Ik weet niet of het hier al een keer genoemd is, maar op http://www.topomapper.com kun je oude topografische kaarten zien, en ook split-screen vergelijken met de huidige situatie in o.a. OSM. De digitale kaarten zijn van russische oorsprong, dus je kunt je cyrillisch ook nog oefenen. Helaas geen transparante overlay met OSM. Is zoiets extern te realiseren? Ik heb ze al een verzoek gestuurd of ze dat zelf kunnen toevoegen. Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Oude topografische kaarten
Nog meer interessante oude topokaarten vind je hier: http://www.the-end-of-the.net/topography/ http://www.watwaswaar.nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Oude topografische kaarten
On 2012-09-12 09:38, Frank Fesevur wrote: Op 12 september 2012 08:01 heeft Maarten Deen het volgende geschreven: Ik weet niet of het hier al een keer genoemd is, maar op http://www.topomapper.com kun je oude topografische kaarten zien, en ook split-screen vergelijken met de huidige situatie in o.a. OSM. Zijn inderdaad oude kaarten, ik gok jaren 80. Dan pas zie je hoeveel er bijvoorbeeld in en om Den Haag is bijgebouwd. Nog daarvoor. Als ik op http://www.autosnelwegen.nl/asw/netw/netwerk2.htm kijk en zie dat de A50 onder Valburg alleen nog als stippellijn is ingetekend en de A28 vanaf Meppel ontbreekt (daar is wel een andere kaart gebruikt), en de A50 van Den Bosch naar Heesch er wel al is, dan is het stand 1975. Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Oude topografische kaarten
Het zou ook van pas kunnen komen bij humanitaire mapping. Kunnen goede aanwijzingen zijn voor wegen in afgelegen gebieden. Bijvoorbeeld http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/47 Is er een kans dat deze russische kaarten als WMS beschikbaar komen voor bijvoorbeeld JOSM? Op 12 september 2012 10:38 schreef Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl het volgende: On 2012-09-12 09:38, Frank Fesevur wrote: Op 12 september 2012 08:01 heeft Maarten Deen het volgende geschreven: Ik weet niet of het hier al een keer genoemd is, maar op http://www.topomapper.com kun je oude topografische kaarten zien, en ook split-screen vergelijken met de huidige situatie in o.a. OSM. Zijn inderdaad oude kaarten, ik gok jaren 80. Dan pas zie je hoeveel er bijvoorbeeld in en om Den Haag is bijgebouwd. Nog daarvoor. Als ik op http://www.autosnelwegen.nl/asw/netw/netwerk2.htmkijk en zie dat de A50 onder Valburg alleen nog als stippellijn is ingetekend en de A28 vanaf Meppel ontbreekt (daar is wel een andere kaart gebruikt), en de A50 van Den Bosch naar Heesch er wel al is, dan is het stand 1975. Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl -- Groet, Paul L. Smits ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[OSM-talk-nl] http://www.waarismijnstembureau.nl
De kaart op http://www.waarismijnstembureau.nl toont default een OSM laag. Toch staat ook daar onderin een Google-logo. Ik zie nergens een OSM-attributie. Reinder ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] http://www.waarismijnstembureau.nl
On 2012-09-12 13:58, Reinder Verlinde wrote: De kaart op http://www.waarismijnstembureau.nl toont default een OSM laag. Toch staat ook daar onderin een Google-logo. Ik zie nergens een OSM-attributie. Ik ook niet, maar dat komt omdat hij in geen van mijn browsers (firefox of IE) laadt. Dus niet veel mensen hebben er wat aan. Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] http://www.waarismijnstembureau.nl
On 2012-09-12 14:36, Maarten Deen wrote: On 2012-09-12 13:58, Reinder Verlinde wrote: De kaart op http://www.waarismijnstembureau.nl toont default een OSM laag. Toch staat ook daar onderin een Google-logo. Ik zie nergens een OSM-attributie. In Chromium wordt er idd verwezen naar een verhaal van Google en geen OSM. Ik zou zeggen een fix en een rectificatie op de voorpagina. ;) Ik ook niet, maar dat komt omdat hij in geen van mijn browsers (firefox of IE) laadt. Dus niet veel mensen hebben er wat aan. Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] http://www.waarismijnstembureau.nl
On 09/12/12 13:58, Reinder Verlinde wrote: De kaart op http://www.waarismijnstembureau.nl toont default een OSM laag. Toch staat ook daar onderin een Google-logo. Ik zie nergens een OSM-attributie. Het met het feit dat er OSM als naam op de laag staat (rechts bovenin), is aan de attributie toch voldaan? Stefan ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] http://www.waarismijnstembureau.nl
On Wed, 2012-09-12 at 16:00 +0200, Stefan de Konink wrote: On 09/12/12 13:58, Reinder Verlinde wrote: De kaart op http://www.waarismijnstembureau.nl toont default een OSM laag. Toch staat ook daar onderin een Google-logo. Ik zie nergens een OSM-attributie. Het met het feit dat er OSM als naam op de laag staat (rechts bovenin), is aan de attributie toch voldaan? Stefan Volgens de OSM gebruiksvoorwaarden is dat niet voldoende: -Je voldoet aan de licentievoorwaarden als je de volgende tekst, inclusief werkende hyperlinks, bij een herpublicatie of afgeleid werk op neemt: -Data by OpenStreetMap.org contributors under CC BY-SA 2.0 license. -Overigens loopt er op dit moment een discussie binnen de OpenStreetMap gemeenschap die mogelijk leidt tot een verandering van de licentie. De nieuwe licentie wordt mogelijk de Open Database Licentie. Dat laatste zinnetje heb ook maar even gekopieerd omdat ik denk dat de tekst niet helemaal up-to-date is. Overigens weer eens wat anders om de blauwe Google Streetview lijntjes op een OSM achtergrond te zien. Dat krijg je als je OSM tiles in Google maps software plakt. De app is trouwens 'gebouwd' door Centric. Gertjan ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] http://www.waarismijnstembureau.nl
On 09/12/12 16:33, Gertjan Idema wrote: -Je voldoet aan de licentievoorwaarden als je de volgende tekst, inclusief werkende hyperlinks, bij een herpublicatie of afgeleid werk op neemt: -Data by OpenStreetMap.org http://www.openstreetmap.org contributors under CC BY-SA 2.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/ license/./ Er staat niet: je voldoet _niet_ aan de licentievoorwaarden als je het bovenstaande _niet_ plaatst. Links om of rechts om OSM wordt genoemd, de discussie lijkt nu weer te gaan naar te weinig. Das gewoon flauw. Overigens weer eens wat anders om de blauwe Google Streetview lijntjes op een OSM achtergrond te zien. Dat krijg je als je OSM tiles in Google maps software plakt. Ik vind het trouwens erg hip gedaan, blijkt dat er dus vrij veel overlap is. De app is trouwens 'gebouwd' door Centric. Als de map zich op Utrecht had gecentreerd had het misschien ook nog gewerkt ;) Stefan ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[OSM-talk-nl] maps
Hoi, Hoe kom ik er achter of deze maps ook met een gewone gps zijn te gebruiken die werkt met maps.fbl? Henk___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] maps
Henk, Als ik je vraag goed begrijp wil je OpenStreetMap-kaarten gebruiken op je Mio autonavigatie? Volgens mij gaat dat niet. Mio staat hier, net als alle andere fabrikanten, niet om te springen want dat scheelt ze een hoop inkomsten omdat hun eigen kaarten minder verkocht worden. Voor Garmin hebben mensen het interne mapformaat ontcijferd en nagemaakt, maar voor zover ik weet is dat voor de andere fabrikanten niet gedaan. Gegroet, Frank Op 12 sep. 2012 17:04 schreef Henk Drenth hw.dre...@live.nl het volgende: Hoi, Hoe kom ik er achter of deze maps ook met een gewone gps zijn te gebruiken die werkt met maps.fbl? Henk ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [talk-au] National borders (was: import of state borders?)
Hi, 2012/8/31 Michael Krämer ohr...@gmail.com 2012/8/31 Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com Well, I think the baseline is defined here.. http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2006L00525 I don't think we have any issues using those facts as a source. That looks great, combining this with the coastline should work. The coastline can be either drawn via osmosis from a planet extract or perhaps also from OverpassAPI. But I guess we'll have to generate all those line segments in QGIS to get the coordinate systems right. A quick update from my side on this: I'm afraid it's not as straightforward as I had assumed... I managed to generate an osm file from the points given in the proclamation [1]. This gives the straight pieces of the baseline. But the problem is that the coastline doesn't really give the right baseline for the rest (high vs. low water mark). When I checked briefly I came across some pronounced differences for example in the gulf of carpentaria. I guess it will be the same along the Great Barrier Reef. So we would have to do some guesswork to combine coastline and straight segements. BTW, it's very likely not a projection issue. I made sure by doing a check of my calculations against the data Geoscience Australia provides. Michael --- [1] https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1222615/baseline.osm ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-br] Reverter changeset?
Message: 3 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:15:33 -0300 From: Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com To: OSM talk-br talk-br@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-br] Reverter changeset? Provavelmente fui eu no Rio de Janeiro, fui editar algumas coisas na Barra da Tijuca e reparei que tinham vários sinais separados das vias e as editei para inclui-los, apagando os nós originais. Mas foram muito poucos - 10, talvez? -, numa área muito pequena e sempre conferindo no Bing. Ah, não. Tinha outros também. Provavelmente apagou seus semáforos pois se eram alguns metros, não tinha certeza se o colega não só moveu o caminho (com os semáforos) ou se sabia da existência de semáforos. Passei por Rio e espero que possa colocar alguns pontos de ônibus logo. Mas tem pontos muito complexos com vários abrigos que exigem mais coordenação que os nossos em Floripa. (Além disso percebi que semáforos não têm grande autoridade no Rio depois das 22 horas.) Martin ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Reverter changeset?
2012/9/12 Martin Weilandt martin...@gmx.net Message: 3 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:15:33 -0300 From: Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com To: OSM talk-br talk-br@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-br] Reverter changeset? Provavelmente fui eu no Rio de Janeiro, fui editar algumas coisas na Barra da Tijuca e reparei que tinham vários sinais separados das vias e as editei para inclui-los, apagando os nós originais. Mas foram muito poucos - 10, talvez? -, numa área muito pequena e sempre conferindo no Bing. Ah, não. Tinha outros também. Provavelmente apagou seus semáforos pois se eram alguns metros, não tinha certeza se o colega não só moveu o caminho (com os semáforos) ou se sabia da existência de semáforos. Tudo bem, faz parte. Passei por Rio e espero que possa colocar alguns pontos de ônibus logo. Mas tem pontos muito complexos com vários abrigos que exigem mais coordenação que os nossos em Floripa. (Além disso percebi que semáforos não têm grande autoridade no Rio depois das 22 horas.) Cidade Maravilhosa, cheia de encantos mil... /ironia Martin ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Tutorial OSM em 5 minutos
Valeu pela sugestão, Arlindo! Fiz a troca da imagem que você citou. A URL continua a mesma: http://wille.blog.br/wp-content/gallery/geral/osm-tutorial-pt_br.jpg Quanto à explicação sobre o OSM, ainda não encontrei uma forma de dizer tudo sem ocupar muito espaço na imagem. Depois tento terminar isso. abçs, On 11-09-2012 18:44, Arlindo Pereira wrote: Vendo rapidinho, meus 2 centavos: - Acho que a captura de tela do passo 5 ficou ruim por causa dessa linha em forma de V que tem em cima, ficou um pouco confuso. Acho que valia a pena pegar um exemplo de ruas em grid, apagar uma das linhas e refazê-la (sem salvar, claro). - Acho que vale a pena explicar de alguma forma rapidamente sobre a licença e a motivação do OSM. No mais, achei duca! Pilho até de imprimir algumas cópias em A2 (quatro folhas A4) e sair colando por aí. ;) []s 2012/9/11 Wille wi...@wille.blog.br mailto:wi...@wille.blog.br Sempre senti falta de um tutorial que mostrasse de forma rápida e simples como começar a colaborar com o OSM. Então, diagramei um tutorial: http://wille.blog.br/wp-content/gallery/geral/osm-tutorial-pt_br.jpg Alguém sugere alguma modificação? Vamos divulgar?! Coloquei o SVG num repositório GIT, caso alguém queira fazer alguma modificação ou traduzir para outros idiomas: https://gitorious.org/osmtutorial abraços, wille ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Tutorial OSM em 5 minutos
Olá, Samuel Coloquei o link encurtado para a página Map_Features no quadro Saiba mais: tinyurl.com/osmtags valeu! abçs, On 12-09-2012 10:01, Samuel Vale wrote: On Ter, 2012-09-11 at 18:33 -0300, Wille wrote: Sempre senti falta de um tutorial que mostrasse de forma rápida e simples como começar a colaborar com o OSM. Então, diagramei um tutorial: http://wille.blog.br/wp-content/gallery/geral/osm-tutorial-pt_br.jpg Alguém sugere alguma modificação? Vamos divulgar?! Coloquei o SVG num repositório GIT, caso alguém queira fazer alguma modificação ou traduzir para outros idiomas: https://gitorious.org/osmtutorial Muito bom Wille! Talvez fosse legal ter um link direto para a tabela de features [0], para servir de guia. Talvez por falta de direção, algumas vezes aparecem vias etiquetadas erradas por novatos (por exemplo, vias residenciais marcadas como primárias). 0 - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features Abraço, ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
[Talk-de] Zeitplan zur Generierung eines neuen ODBL-Planets
Hallo, in seinem Post http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2012-September/064100.html hat Richard Weait noch mal die Zeitablauf für das Bereitstellen des ersten OSBL-Plantes und der Umstellung der API auf ODBL aufgezeigt. Grüße, Michael. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] place=locality = Flurbezeichnung ?!?
Hi, wer hat denn diese Uebersetzung gemacht - Flurbezeichnung?!?!? Das haette ich mal in den boundarys erwartet oder aehnliches - aber was soll eine Flurbezeichnung in einem place= ?!? Mal davon abgesehen das die Englische beschreibung nichts von legal name oder land registry oder cadastre schreibt. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dlocality The place=locality tag can be used to name unpopulated place which is not associated with any extant feature to which such a tag could be associated http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Key:place locality Flurbezeichung. Name eines Ortes, wo keine Leute Leben (Flurname). Flo -- Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] place=locality = Flurbezeichnung ?!?
Moin, ich nehme an, weil es in gefühlten 90 % der Fälle zutrifft. Dort wo sich der Namen auch im Sprachgebrauch noch erhalten hat ist er in aller Regel mit dem Flurnamen identisch. Und jetzt können die Logiker aus ihren Erdhöhlen kommen ;-) und darlegen, dass es logisch (natürlich) anders sein sollte. Aber weil wir bei OSM immer erst mappen und später ggf. strukturieren ist es hier eben doch so gekommen. Ich glaube es gab auch schon einmal Vorschläge für Flurnamen und ihrem administrativen Hintergrund. Scheint sich aber bisher nicht durchgesetzt zu haben -- fehlende Doku (?), nicht intuitiv (?), ich weiß es nicht ... Wenn sich locality zu sehr häuft sieht es auf der Karte auch sehr grauselig aus: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.72295lon=6.70185zoom=15layers=M Gruß, Falk Am 12. September 2012 09:23 schrieb Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de: Hi, wer hat denn diese Uebersetzung gemacht - Flurbezeichnung?!?!? Das haette ich mal in den boundarys erwartet oder aehnliches - aber was soll eine Flurbezeichnung in einem place= ?!? Mal davon abgesehen das die Englische beschreibung nichts von legal name oder land registry oder cadastre schreibt. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dlocality The place=locality tag can be used to name unpopulated place which is not associated with any extant feature to which such a tag could be associated http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Key:place locality Flurbezeichung. Name eines Ortes, wo keine Leute Leben (Flurname). Flo -- Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQIVAwUBUFA4cJDdQSDLCfIvAQhLJRAAjEPvLL5L8LeKur0js71MkMRpr41+OA7i KKcKhM/oAMuuqHYg1VEVH5cg+Q92rC8//kY4/84X/j+6P5Z0xwP2qwZQNKjZVEzV DYc6rqMTSRM9YT0oHAosi2iBSv11v458tJrxJ0jIw9nCPlNJFW2hVTfnsDTp+qCE wHbpLeygNOBsVvQyMBxpvzsjppz1Z6JC0H0VvJGrtQbegv+trfCOj2UMWYcRlbCA TXECdsIpxSmb33x4yQmM8PGyVW3IhVcStaNy3z7UvQOxmBozCVUkpVqhodc0woEd g1TAEu49xKdLrSzyiwE46gMHL32F3VVOeA7duQ+hPKuNcQRD6dJpD6VihK6U4hla u6PspK2NXGT/JIHCcJMKppqFRX2AWF/sZXJuLO9lm5o9B7fMSyxxN2CoY7XSZq+o 3Cn4Qmppq+yaS5XWzrglvNq9RDVyeQYneI5LR+KaYFc84DanAPs7sGjEOewGU0y0 kRhDG+i5TtvuBXte01pywYRXVjWrhb3MlnA7X6C1yATkR8oYcXl0AvHwvCxXETFR kmVQ5K3uu2OtKjJkdA2PC/vjsLFdtyPiEcWz1ODaZFYs5xIabcNzgb/loXz27HXa iyPymZ1UaZ9fS1hOoSOCXqUtIj06Cwadlmwr+GwsDmp2NBNCgb+75omQdpMRWCmU zzpBXqrs6L4= =dGWY -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] place=locality = Flurbezeichnung ?!?
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 09:43:42AM +0200, Falk Zscheile wrote: Moin, ich nehme an, weil es in gefühlten 90 % der Fälle zutrifft. Dort wo sich der Namen auch im Sprachgebrauch noch erhalten hat ist er in aller Regel mit dem Flurnamen identisch. Und jetzt können die Logiker aus ihren Erdhöhlen kommen ;-) und darlegen, dass es logisch (natürlich) anders sein sollte. Aber weil wir bei OSM immer erst mappen und später ggf. strukturieren ist es hier eben doch so gekommen. Ich glaube es gab auch schon einmal Vorschläge für Flurnamen und ihrem administrativen Hintergrund. Scheint sich aber bisher nicht durchgesetzt zu haben -- fehlende Doku (?), nicht intuitiv (?), ich weiß es nicht ... Ich habe in der vergangenheit Locality durchaus fuer dinge verwendet die Regionale Punkt/Gebietsbezeichnungen sind die gar nichts mit Flurnamen zu tun haben. Wenn sich locality zu sehr häuft sieht es auf der Karte auch sehr grauselig aus: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.72295lon=6.70185zoom=15layers=M Fuer einzelne Wiesen habe ich das jetzt nicht verwendet ;) Ich wunder mich nur ueber die Uebersetzung - Die bedeutung im Englischen und im Deutschen haben so gar nichts miteinander zu tun - ausser das es beides unbewohnt ist. Flo -- Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] place=locality = Flurbezeichnung ?!?
Am 12.09.2012 09:54, schrieb Florian Lohoff: Ich wunder mich nur ueber die Uebersetzung - Die bedeutung im Englischen und im Deutschen haben so gar nichts miteinander zu tun - ausser das es beides unbewohnt ist. Wenn in der DE Version steht, dass es NUR für Flurstücke benutzt werden soll halte ich das auch für falsch. Es wird in DE mangels Alternative AUCH für Flurstücke benutzt. Chris ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] place=locality = Flurbezeichnung ?!?
Moin, Chris66 wrote [...] Es wird in DE mangels Alternative AUCH für Flurstücke benutzt. [...] wir haben hier bei uns in der Gegend als Alternative Flurnamen mit place = field_name erfasst, damit sie erstmal in der DB sind, aber nicht so prominent erscheinen. Was dann später damit gemacht wird, kann man immer noch sehen ;) Grüße -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/place-locality-Flurbezeichnung-tp5724813p5724833.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Grosse OSM Updates (ODBL, Posgresql, postgis,...)
Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.de wrote: PostgreSQL wurde gerade in 9.2 veröffentlicht. Gibt es etwas das dagegen spricht? Eventuell, dass noch keiner damit Erfahrung hat? Im Prinzip sehe ich da aber kein problem. Ich werde den deutschen Tileserver wohl auch auf Postgresql 9.2/Postgis 2.0.1 Basis neu aufsetzen. Welche Version von Postgis ist im OSM Umfeld erprobt? Funktioniert 2.01 Mapnik 2.1? Das Problem an Postgis2 ist für mich eher, dass es für Debian/Ubuntu leider immer noch keine offiziellen Pakete gibt :( Ich habe einen selbstgebauten backport für Debian stable und Postgis 9.1.x auf Basis von https://launchpad.net/~sharpie/+archive/postgis-stable, falls den jemand haben möchte. Gruss Sven -- How to prevent Java from forking? Use a spoon. (Found on http://slashdot.org) /me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Fwd: Who is the owner of refbotDE?
Original Message Subject: Who is the owner of refbotDE? Date: 2012-09-11 10:34 From: Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl To: talk-de@openstreetmap.org Hi, sorry for speaking english. Who is the owner of refbotDE? I tried to contact him via his OSM account, but haven't received a response. refbotDE changed a few refs on Dutch motorways to include a space (A67 - A 67), which is not how we tag in the Netherlands. I can change the refs back, but I would like to make sure refbotDE will not change them back again. Apparently it thinks these ways are in Germany, but they're not. Examples: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/6701628 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/86143377 Regards, Maarten ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Fwd: Who is the owner of refbotDE?
Hi, sorry for speaking english. Who is the owner of refbotDE? I tried to contact him via his OSM account, but haven't received a response. refbotDE changed a few refs on Dutch motorways to include a space He is not included in the list of bots here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits So, it don't seems to be a friendly bot. ;-) If you have no other solution you should contact the Data Working Group. Chris ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] place=locality = Flurbezeichnung ?!?
Hallo. Am 12.09.2012 10:51, schrieb Fabian Patzke: wir haben hier bei uns in der Gegend als Alternative Flurnamen mit place = field_name erfasst, damit sie erstmal in der DB sind, aber nicht so prominent erscheinen. Was dann später damit gemacht wird, kann man immer noch sehen ;) Flurnamen zu rendern ist eine gewisse Kunst, denn je nach dem wie groß das Gebiet ist, sollten die kleiner oder größer gerendert werden. Für die Darstellung ist es daher wohl unvermeidlich, zumindest ungefähr die Fläche der Flur zu mappen. place=locality ist mir jedenfalls auch zu prominent dargestellt für einfache Flurnamen, daher finde ich deinen Ansatz besser. Leider gibt es bei uns mehr Wald als Felder und daher widerstrebt mit field_name ein bisschen... :( Gruß, Bernd -- Die Erde ist das einzige Irrenhaus, das von seinen Insassen verwaltet wird. - U. Schmidt signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] geplante und historische Objekte
Am 12.09.2012 um 03:16 schrieb Garry garr...@gmx.de: Wenn ein Kartenersteller es nützlich findet, kann er aus name und opening_date den Kartentext zusammensetzen. Korrekter Name und eine Zusatzinformation dahinter in Klammer sollte ein gangbarer Kompromiss sein um einerseits nicht die Anwendungen zu stören, andererseits dem Nutzer wichtige Zusatzinformationen zu geben auf die er sonst keinen Zugriff hat. Aber nicht im name-tag sondern auf Anwendungsseite. In den Name-Tag gehört der reine Name und kein Kompromiss. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] place=locality = Flurbezeichnung ?!?
Moin, Bernd Wurst wrote Am 12.09.2012 10:51, schrieb Fabian Patzke: wir haben hier bei uns in der Gegend als Alternative Flurnamen mit place = field_name erfasst, damit sie erstmal in der DB sind, aber nicht so prominent erscheinen. Was dann später damit gemacht wird, kann man immer noch sehen ;) Flurnamen zu rendern ist eine gewisse Kunst, denn je nach dem wie groß das Gebiet ist, sollten die kleiner oder größer gerendert werden. Für die Darstellung ist es daher wohl unvermeidlich, zumindest ungefähr die Fläche der Flur zu mappen. place=locality ist mir jedenfalls auch zu prominent dargestellt für einfache Flurnamen, daher finde ich deinen Ansatz besser. Leider gibt es bei uns mehr Wald als Felder und daher widerstrebt mit field_name ein bisschen... :( Jo, das stimmt, aber mit Grenzen bei so schwammigen Regionen tu ich mir irgendwie auch schwer ;) field_name war halt das was wir als Übersetzung für Flurname gefunden haben. Im Niederländischen heißen die auch Veldnamm. Wenn jemand allerdings eine bessere Übersetzung ins Englische hat nur her damit. Grüße -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/place-locality-Flurbezeichnung-tp5724813p5724848.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Fwd: Who is the owner of refbotDE?
Hi, We had the same problem in Austria, but we changed most of the refs back and nothing happend. The last time the changebotDE operated was in late 2010. Jimmy Am 12.09.2012 11:02, schrieb Maarten Deen: Original Message Subject: Who is the owner of refbotDE? Date: 2012-09-11 10:34 From: Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl To: talk-de@openstreetmap.org Hi, sorry for speaking english. Who is the owner of refbotDE? I tried to contact him via his OSM account, but haven't received a response. refbotDE changed a few refs on Dutch motorways to include a space (A67 - A 67), which is not how we tag in the Netherlands. I can change the refs back, but I would like to make sure refbotDE will not change them back again. Apparently it thinks these ways are in Germany, but they're not. Examples: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/6701628 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/86143377 Regards, Maarten ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] place=locality = Flurbezeichnung ?!?
Am 12.09.2012 11:29, schrieb Fabian Patzke: Moin, Bernd Wurst wrote Am 12.09.2012 10:51, schrieb Fabian Patzke: wir haben hier bei uns in der Gegend als Alternative Flurnamen mit place = field_name erfasst, damit sie erstmal in der DB sind, aber nicht so prominent erscheinen. Was dann später damit gemacht wird, kann man immer noch sehen ;) Flurnamen zu rendern ist eine gewisse Kunst, denn je nach dem wie groß das Gebiet ist, sollten die kleiner oder größer gerendert werden. Für die Darstellung ist es daher wohl unvermeidlich, zumindest ungefähr die Fläche der Flur zu mappen. place=locality ist mir jedenfalls auch zu prominent dargestellt für einfache Flurnamen, daher finde ich deinen Ansatz besser. Leider gibt es bei uns mehr Wald als Felder und daher widerstrebt mit field_name ein bisschen... :( Jo, das stimmt, aber mit Grenzen bei so schwammigen Regionen tu ich mir irgendwie auch schwer ;) field_name war halt das was wir als Übersetzung für Flurname gefunden haben. Im Niederländischen heißen die auch Veldnamm. Wenn jemand allerdings eine bessere Übersetzung ins Englische hat nur her damit. In England heißt die Flur cadastral section. Ich kriege jedoch beim Gedanken an place=cadastral_section leichte Bauchschmerzen. Wäre nicht besser boundery=cadastral border_type=cadastral_section ? Oder es muss halt ein neuer Schlüssel her. Gruß Burkhard ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] place=locality = Flurbezeichnung ?!?
Am 12.09.2012 13:46, schrieb bkmap: Wäre nicht besser boundery=cadastral border_type=cadastral_section ? Wie gesagt, da man die Umrisse oft nicht genau kennt, macht boundary wenig Sinn. place kann hingegen als Node und flächig gemappt werden. Ich schmeisse mal place=land_lot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_lot) oder place=parcel in die Runde. Chris ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] place=locality = Flurbezeichnung ?!?
Chris66 schrieb: Wenn in der DE Version steht, dass es NUR für Flurstücke benutzt werden soll halte ich das auch für falsch. Es wird in DE mangels Alternative AUCH für Flurstücke benutzt. Weshalb passt name= bzw alt_name= nicht? Gruß Thomas ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] place=locality = Flurbezeichnung ?!?
Chris66 wrote [...] Ich schmeisse mal place=land_lot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_lot) oder place=parcel in die Runde. Das land lot entspricht laut Wikipedia unserem Flurstück, die waren früher evtl. mal gleich mit den Gebieten, die bei uns Flurnamen tragen, heute sind es aber in Katastern verwalteten genau festgelegte Gebiete. Das entspricht nicht den lockeren Gebieten mit Flurnamen bei uns. Auch eine Parzelle ist wohl eher eine Bezeichnung für ein Flurstück, hier also denke ich auch eher unpassend. Grüße ;) -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/place-locality-Flurbezeichnung-tp5724813p5724902.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Neuimport nach Lizenzwechsel?
Hallo, eine kurze Frage: der Lizenzwechsel scheint ja nun durch zu sein. Muss ich nun ein neues Planetfile herunterladen und importieren, oder kann ich einfach die normalen Diff-Updates laufen lassen? Eigentlich müsste sich ja an den Daten seit dem Durchlaufen des Redaction Bots nichts mehr geändert haben, sodass kein Neuimport notwendig wäre, aber an verschiedenen Stellen (u.a. Forum) hörte es sich so an, als sei ein Neuimport notwendig. Ich hoffe, die Experten können mich ein wenig aufklären. Grüße Alex ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Neuimport nach Lizenzwechsel?
On 12.09.2012 20:55, Alexander Matheisen wrote: Hallo, eine kurze Frage: der Lizenzwechsel scheint ja nun durch zu sein. Muss ich nun ein neues Planetfile herunterladen und importieren, oder kann ich einfach die normalen Diff-Updates laufen lassen? Eigentlich müsste sich ja an den Daten seit dem Durchlaufen des Redaction Bots nichts mehr geändert haben, sodass kein Neuimport notwendig wäre, aber an verschiedenen Stellen (u.a. Forum) hörte es sich so an, als sei ein Neuimport notwendig. Ich hoffe, die Experten können mich ein wenig aufklären. Der Blogeintrag sagt: neu importieren, da das Format leicht geändert wurde. So verstehe ich http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2012-September/064100.html Grüße Alex MfG, Lars Schimmer -- - TU Graz, Institut für ComputerGraphik WissensVisualisierung Tel: +43 316 873-5405 E-Mail: l.schim...@cgv.tugraz.at Fax: +43 316 873-5402 PGP-Key-ID: 0x4A9B1723 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Neuimport nach Lizenzwechsel?
Hallo, On 12.09.2012 20:55, Alexander Matheisen wrote: eine kurze Frage: der Lizenzwechsel scheint ja nun durch zu sein. Muss ich nun ein neues Planetfile herunterladen und importieren, oder kann ich einfach die normalen Diff-Updates laufen lassen? Rechtlich gesehen ist ein Neuimport notwendig, denn Du kannst keine CC-BY-SA-Datenbank durch Hinzufuegen von Updates zu einer ODbL-Datenbank machen. Technisch gesehen hast Du aber recht; wenn Du einfach weiter Updates einspielst, sollte Deine Datenbank identisch zu einer neu importierten sein. Du musst dann aber steif und fest behaupten, Du haettest einen Neuimport gemacht ;) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Tiefgarage in Wohnsiedlung?
Moin! Ich häng mal wieder etwas. http://osm.org/go/0I5UUda6_-- Unter der Terassenhaussiedlung ist ne große Tiefgarage, die den gesamten Platz unterhalb der 4 Häuser und der Fläche dazwischen einnimmt, mit Zufahrt im süd-west und nord-ost. Wie tagt man dieses am besten? MfG, Lars Schimmer -- - TU Graz, Institut für ComputerGraphik WissensVisualisierung Tel: +43 316 873-5405 E-Mail: l.schim...@cgv.tugraz.at Fax: +43 316 873-5402 PGP-Key-ID: 0x4A9B1723 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Tiefgarage in Wohnsiedlung?
Am 12. September 2012 21:23 schrieb Lars Schimmer l.schim...@cgv.tugraz.at: Ich häng mal wieder etwas. http://osm.org/go/0I5UUda6_-- Unter der Terassenhaussiedlung ist ne große Tiefgarage, die den gesamten Platz unterhalb der 4 Häuser und der Fläche dazwischen einnimmt, mit Zufahrt im süd-west und nord-ost. Wie tagt man dieses am besten? Möglicherweise als Relation? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/parking#Underground_parking Gruß, Falk ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Neuimport nach Lizenzwechsel?
Am 12.09.2012 21:16, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hallo, On 12.09.2012 20:55, Alexander Matheisen wrote: eine kurze Frage: der Lizenzwechsel scheint ja nun durch zu sein. Muss ich nun ein neues Planetfile herunterladen und importieren, oder kann ich einfach die normalen Diff-Updates laufen lassen? Rechtlich gesehen ist ein Neuimport notwendig, denn Du kannst keine CC-BY-SA-Datenbank durch Hinzufuegen von Updates zu einer ODbL-Datenbank machen. Nur um dies völlig klarzumachen: eine nur intern oder privat verwendete DB kann ganz normal weiterverwendet werden. Bietet man die Daten in irgendeiner Form an -dann- sollte man Neuimportieren. Simon ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Tiefgarage in Wohnsiedlung?
Am 12. September 2012 21:23 schrieb Lars Schimmer l.schim...@cgv.tugraz.at: Moin! Ich häng mal wieder etwas. http://osm.org/go/0I5UUda6_-- Unter der Terassenhaussiedlung ist ne große Tiefgarage, die den gesamten Platz unterhalb der 4 Häuser und der Fläche dazwischen einnimmt, mit Zufahrt im süd-west und nord-ost. Wie tagt man dieses am besten? polygon, amenity=parking, parking=underground, ggf. layer, und weitere tags wie capacity etc. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dparking für die Anzahl der Stockwerke könnte man die building:levels angeben (hier z.B. 1) : building:levels=0, building:min_level=-1 (nach derzeitiger Definition, SCNR) oder falls man sich doch noch auf eine eingängige tagging-Variante für Stockwerke einigt: building:levels=1 (wie oben auch: ein Stockwerk) oder building_levels=1 (andere Schreibweise, um Verwechslungen vorzubeugen) Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Quo Vadis FOSSGIS 2013
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hallo! Diese E-Mail richtet sich an all, die ein Interesse an der FOSSGIS 2013 haben. Wir haben nämlich ein Problem: Es gibt zwar potentiell viele Leute, die dorthin wollen, aber aktuell keinen Ort, an dem die Konferenz statt finden kann. Warum? Auf den Call for Location [1] ist keine einzige Bewerbung eingegangen. Wir sehen nun folgende Optionen: 1. Es bewirbt sich doch noch ganz schnell jemand. 2. Wir müssen die Konferenz im Jahr 2013 ausfallen lassen. Um nach Lösungen für dieses Problem zu suchen, wollen wir uns am Montag 17.9.2013, 20h zu einem IRC Stammtisch treffen. Details zur Teilnahme findet man hier [2]. Wer eine Idee hat, aber am Montag keine Zeit hat, kann uns natürlich auch gerne per E-Mail kontaktiereen (i...@fossgis.de). Wir hoffen auf viele gute Vorschläge, weil uns die Option 2 natürlich nicht so gut gefällt, wie Option 1. Georg im Namen des FOSSGIS e.V. [1] http://www.fossgis.de/w/images/a/a2/CfL_FOSSGIS_2013.pdf [2] http://www.fossgis.de/wiki/FOSSGIS_eV_IRC_Channel - -- - FOSSGIS e.V. DER Ansprechpartner in Sachen Freie GIS und Freie Geodaten www.fossgis.de / georg.loe...@fossgis.de - - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlBQ8vIACgkQOXEppwXGcz9ELACfblJX9wjyucnAMJzdx1nE+GZ+ XJAAnRmgovTJFHHbQNSjzje4jJJ1PnEc =XsCh -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] geplante und historische Objekte
Moin! Am 12.09.2012 03:44, schrieb Garry: Am 09.09.2012 12:41, schrieb Stephan Wolff: Wenn in der Karte nicht erkennbar ist, ob ein Objekt in Bau oder aufgegeben ist, finde ich es ärgerlich. In erster Linie möchte ein Anwender ein Objekt auffinden. Ob es aktuell in seiner vorgesehenen Funktion benutzt werden kann ist nur ein Teilaspekt. Dem Handwerker, Lieferanten etc. ist es egal in welchem Zustand das Objekt ist, er möchte es schnellstmöglich finden! Die weitaus meisten Nutzer wollen sicherlich eine Funktion nutzen und nicht am Bau mitwirken. Auch für Handwerker dürfte eine klare Unterscheidung zwischen in Bau befindlichen und fertigen Objekten wichtig sein. Noch unangenehmer ist es, wenn der Router den Nutzer statt zum nächsten Bahnhof, Krankenhaus, etc. zu einem Baufeld oder einer Ruine führt. Siehst Du darin ernsthaft ein Problem? Ja! Ich würde im Bedarfsfall nie zu einem Krankenhaus oder Bahnhof fahren nur weil es in einer Karte verzeichnet ist sondern die Karte dazu nutzen die entsprechende Einrichtung aufzufinden nachdem ich aus anderen Quellen die Information habe dass ich das dort vorfinde was ich benötige. Nicht jede OSM-Nutzung erfolgt vom Internet-PC. Auf Fernreise nutze ich die Suchfunktion im Outdoor-GPS. Andere Informationsquellen habe ich dort oft nicht. Oder fährst Du blindlings zum nächsten Bahnhof ohne Information ob es dort einen für Dich geeigneten Zughalt gibt? In Großstädten habe ich es so gemacht. Welche U- oder S-Bahn dort hält ist mir egal. Schlimmstenfalls muss ich einmal mehr umsteigen. Für manche OSM-Objekte reicht nicht die Auswertung des Haupttags sondern man möchte über weitere Tags Unterklassen berücksichtigen. Das hat aber nichts damit zu tun, dass ich immer zwischen nutzbaren und geplanten bzw. ehemaligen Einrichtungen unterscheiden möchte. Viele Grüße Stephan ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Lizenz-Umstellung ist abgeschlossen (war: Zeitplan zur Generierung eines neuen ODBL-Planets)
Update: Zeitablauf für das Bereitstellen des ersten OSBL-Plantes und der Umstellung der API auf ODBL aufgezeigt. Zwischenzeitlich ist die Umstellung durch, siehe unten bzw. im Archiv: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/announce/2012-September/70.html Grüße, Michael. [Announce] Licence change *Richard Fairhurst* richard at systemeD.net mailto:announce%40openstreetmap.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BAnnounce%5D%20Licence%20changeIn-Reply-To=%3C505051DF.5080600%40systemeD.net%3E /Wed Sep 12 10:11:59 BST 2012/ * *Messages sorted by:* [ date ] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/announce/2012-September/date.html#70 [ thread ] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/announce/2012-September/thread.html#70 [ subject ] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/announce/2012-September/subject.html#70 [ author ] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/announce/2012-September/author.html#70 Hello all, If you go to: http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright you might notice a slight difference. :) OSM data downloaded after 9am today is now licensed under the Open Database Licence. The first ODbL-licensed planet.osm file is currently being generated. These pages summarise the main changes: http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/ODbL/License_Transition/Guidance_To_Data_Consumers The main supporting documents on the wiki have been updated but translations and some of the more obscure documents will need attention. Our recommended attribution is now © OpenStreetMap contributors plus a link to www.openstreetmap.org/copyright . That page then gives further details of the ODbL and other relevant information. cheers Richard [Please check follow-ups when replying. Feel free to forward to local mailing lists/forums.] ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] geplante und historische Objekte
Moin! Am 12.09.2012 03:16, schrieb Garry: Am 10.09.2012 12:35, schrieb Stephan Wolff: Das name-Tag beschreibt den Namen, nicht einen gewünschten Kartentext. In vielen Anwendungen (Straßenverzeichnissen, Routern, ...) führen solche Pseudonamen zu Fehlern. Das geplante Eröffnungsdatum kann man in opening_date unterbringen. Wenn ein Kartenersteller es nützlich findet, kann er aus name und opening_date den Kartentext zusammensetzen. Korrekter Name und eine Zusatzinformation dahinter in Klammer sollte ein gangbarer Kompromiss sein um einerseits nicht die Anwendungen zu stören, andererseits dem Nutzer wichtige Zusatzinformationen zu geben auf die er sonst keinen Zugriff hat. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Names sagt dazu: name ist nur der Name Die Namen sollten nur den eigentlichen Namen des fraglichen Objekts enthalten und keine Kategorien, Typen, Adressen oder Anmerkungen enthalten. Jegliche sonstige Information sollte in gesonderten Tags eingetragen werden, um ihre Bedeutung zum Ausdruck zu bringen. Für jede Anwendung sind andere Zusatzinformationen wichtig. Wie oben geschrieben kann man auch name und opening_date zusammensetzen. Hätte auch den Effekt dass bei abgelaufenem Datum ehr eine Statusüberprüfung und Korrektur stattfindet. Über opening_date könnten Mensch und Computer den Korrekturbedarf erkennen. Viele Grüße Stephan PS: Da es keinen Einspruch gab, hat hier offenbar niemand etwas gegen eine Änderung geplanter/historischer Objekte in die Form status:key = value einzuwenden (highway und railway ausgenommen). ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] geplante und historische Objekte
Am 12. September 2012 23:42 schrieb Stephan Wolff s.wo...@web.de: PS: Da es keinen Einspruch gab, hat hier offenbar niemand etwas gegen eine Änderung geplanter/historischer Objekte in die Form status:key = value einzuwenden (highway und railway ausgenommen). Je nachdem, wie Du vorgehst. Wenn Du das automatisch machen willst, (also nicht jeden Einzelfall betrachten), dann solltest Du allerdings nach dem Code of Conduct für automatische Edits vorgehen und u.a. erstmal genau darlegen, was (welche tags) wann bzw. wann nicht geändert werden sollen (und wie das neue tagging dann aussehen soll). Oder verstehe ich Dich falsch und Du willst das im Wiki vorschlagen? So wie das Thema angelegt ist, dürfte das ja von internationalem Interesse sein. Ich persönlich würde es ganz gut finden, mit einem präfix inaktive Funktionen von aktiven abzugrenzen, ob man es allerdings im key machen sollte, weiss ich nicht so genau. Den zuletzt geführten Diskussionen zu ähnlichen Theman nach (zu den conditional access-tags) werden solche Konstrukte im value besser aufgenommen (weil weniger keys entstehen und man daher in bestimmten weitverbreiteten Datenbank-schemata besser damit klar kommt). Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-in] Any OpenStreet Mapping Party in Bangalore?
Hi friends, Is there any mapping party planned in Bangalore sometime in near future. FSMK(Free Software Movement Karnataka) have few interested students from two colleges, Dr. AIT and SJBIT near Mysore Road who are planning to celebrate Software Freedom Day and we are thinking of conducting a mapping party as part of the celebration. However all the students are completely new to openstreetmap and mapping parties. Hence if there is somebody interested in guiding us, then we can plan to conduct a mapping party on 22nd Sept. From what I could search on internet, just having smartphones with GPS is not enough and we need specific GPS receivers. If you can explain what specific GPS recievers are required, we can try to arrange few of them for that day. -- Regards, Vignesh Volunteer, Free Software Movement Karnatak http://blog.viggy.in http://fsmk.org ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Any OpenStreet Mapping Party in Bangalore?
Hi Vignesh, I would say having ordinary GPS enabled smartphones is just fine for most mapping activity one would like to take up. A clear view to sky will bring in desired precision. Adding more POIs (shops etc.) and tagging more unnamed streets could be a start for the mapping party. Regards, Ishan On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:07 AM, VIGNESH PRABHU stove311...@gmail.comwrote: Hi friends, Is there any mapping party planned in Bangalore sometime in near future. FSMK(Free Software Movement Karnataka) have few interested students from two colleges, Dr. AIT and SJBIT near Mysore Road who are planning to celebrate Software Freedom Day and we are thinking of conducting a mapping party as part of the celebration. However all the students are completely new to openstreetmap and mapping parties. Hence if there is somebody interested in guiding us, then we can plan to conduct a mapping party on 22nd Sept. From what I could search on internet, just having smartphones with GPS is not enough and we need specific GPS receivers. If you can explain what specific GPS recievers are required, we can try to arrange few of them for that day. -- Regards, Vignesh Volunteer, Free Software Movement Karnatak http://blog.viggy.in http://fsmk.org ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Any OpenStreet Mapping Party in Bangalore?
Hello, Mapping can also be done using just papers.YOu would not need GPS recievers for that.. for more information visit http://walking-papers.org/ .Its simple -Chaitanya (www.pathajalp.com) On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 4:39 AM, Ishan Chattopadhyaya ichattopadhy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Vignesh, I would say having ordinary GPS enabled smartphones is just fine for most mapping activity one would like to take up. A clear view to sky will bring in desired precision. Adding more POIs (shops etc.) and tagging more unnamed streets could be a start for the mapping party. Regards, Ishan On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:07 AM, VIGNESH PRABHU stove311...@gmail.comwrote: Hi friends, Is there any mapping party planned in Bangalore sometime in near future. FSMK(Free Software Movement Karnataka) have few interested students from two colleges, Dr. AIT and SJBIT near Mysore Road who are planning to celebrate Software Freedom Day and we are thinking of conducting a mapping party as part of the celebration. However all the students are completely new to openstreetmap and mapping parties. Hence if there is somebody interested in guiding us, then we can plan to conduct a mapping party on 22nd Sept. From what I could search on internet, just having smartphones with GPS is not enough and we need specific GPS receivers. If you can explain what specific GPS recievers are required, we can try to arrange few of them for that day. -- Regards, Vignesh Volunteer, Free Software Movement Karnatak http://blog.viggy.in http://fsmk.org ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Any OpenStreet Mapping Party in Bangalore?
Dear Vignesh, It's awesome that you brought up the idea of a mapping party along with the software freedom day celebrations. From what I could search on internet, just having smartphones with GPS is not enough and we need specific GPS receivers. If you can explain what specific GPS recievers are required, we can try to arrange few of them for that day. September 22 is a tough one for me. We will be in the middle of a conference (http://cartonama.com/2012). Here are a few pointers to get you started with mapping: 1. The beginners' guide on the wiki is the best place to start http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beginners%27_guide 2. Usually, what I do is to trace out maximum details from the satellite imagery of the area first and then go out with a GPS device to collect missing information. Which area and how big is the neighborhood you are intending to map? How long will the mapping party be? We can help you structure the process a bit if you can let us know about this. 3. There are several OpenStreetMap Editors. These tools are used to edit the GPS data/satellite imagery and 'tag' them suitably to create the map. Potlatch (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beginners_Guide_1.3.2) is the easiest and web based tool. JOSM (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beginners_Guide_1.3.3) is a very efficient offline tool. HTH. Cheers, Sajjad. ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
[Talk-it] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Licence change
Ciao, dalle 9 di stamattina OSM è oDBl. Bisogna tradurre la nuova pagina del copyright e sostituirla http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright Nella mail è consigliato un nuovo modo di attribuire sulle mappe. Stefano -- Forwarded message -- From: Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net Date: 2012/9/12 Subject: [OSM-talk] Licence change To: t...@openstreetmap.org, annou...@openstreetmap.org, legal-t...@openstreetmap.org Hello all, If you go to: http://www.openstreetmap.org/**copyrighthttp://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright you might notice a slight difference. :) OSM data downloaded after 9am today is now licensed under the Open Database Licence. The first ODbL-licensed planet.osm file is currently being generated. These pages summarise the main changes: http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/**Legal_FAQ http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/ODbL/**License_Transition/Guidance_** To_Data_Consumershttp://wiki.osm.org/wiki/ODbL/License_Transition/Guidance_To_Data_Consumers The main supporting documents on the wiki have been updated but translations and some of the more obscure documents will need attention. Our recommended attribution is now © OpenStreetMap contributors plus a link to www.openstreetmap.org/**copyrighthttp://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright. That page then gives further details of the ODbL and other relevant information. cheers Richard [Please check follow-ups when replying. Feel free to forward to local mailing lists/forums.] __**_ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talkhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Suggerimenti mapping rete autobus cotral
Ciao Martin, non è scritto, sul display viene indicata solo la destinazione o l'itinerario che l'autobus compie Davide -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Suggerimenti-mapping-rete-autobus-cotral-tp5724773p5724856.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Percorso alternativo via Francigena
Am 11.09.2012 16:57, schrieb Gianmario Mengozzi: Martin, stai dicendo che va bene avere n relazioni con lo stesso nome? Non mi suona benissimo ma se dobbiamo mappare la realtà sta bene La butto lì: e una relazione di relazioni? Questo credo che si dice network... Ma lo dico solo dalla memoria, senza guardare se è corretto. Ho gia usato mettere relazioni almeno per un piccolo test dove una linea d'autobus, che percorre una strada, usa la relazione della strada e ha per altri membri solo le stazioni. Così la relazione della linea ha solo una decina di membri, ma la relazione della strada ne ha una centinaia. Bisogna peró dire che per esempio opentransportmap (o come si chiama questa pagina...) non sa che fare con questa relazione :( -- cheers, Alex ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Suggerimenti mapping rete autobus cotral
Sul libretto orario? 2012/9/12 Davio davide@gmail.com Ciao Martin, non è scritto, sul display viene indicata solo la destinazione o l'itinerario che l'autobus compie Davide -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Suggerimenti-mapping-rete-autobus-cotral-tp5724773p5724856.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Suggerimenti mapping rete autobus cotral
Non saprei, compare solo sul sito della cotral sul monitoraggio partenze o se si calcola un percorso sempre sul sito. Per esempio sul sito l'itinerario Roma Cornelia - Passo Oscuro - Cerveteri si chiama CoTraL A0003 http://efa.cotralspa.it:/rlz/FILELOAD?Filename=rlz_505069450.pdf -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Suggerimenti-mapping-rete-autobus-cotral-tp5724773p5724866.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Suggerimenti mapping rete autobus cotral
Mi sono trovato in una situazione simile mappando dei sentieri. Alcuni di questi non avevano un nome ufficiale e tantomeno avevano un cartello. Esiste però una identifcazione ben precisa e condivisa, ed ho usato quella. Probabilmente non c'è mai stata l'esigenza di dare dei nomi in maniera formale. Oggi, magari anche grazie ad OSM, vengono scoperti e condivisi dei nuovi sentieri, da qui il problema di dargli un nome. F. Il giorno 12 settembre 2012 12:54, Davio davide@gmail.com ha scritto: Non saprei, compare solo sul sito della cotral sul monitoraggio partenze o se si calcola un percorso sempre sul sito. Per esempio sul sito l'itinerario Roma Cornelia - Passo Oscuro - Cerveteri si chiama CoTraL A0003 http://efa.cotralspa.it:/rlz/FILELOAD?Filename=rlz_505069450.pdf -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Suggerimenti-mapping-rete-autobus-cotral-tp5724773p5724866.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Suggerimenti mapping rete autobus cotral
Salve a tutti! Sono l'ALn_668 di cui sopra scriveva Davio. Per quanto riguarda la numerazione delle linee, so dell'esistenza di vere e proprie tabelle di marcia con la classificazione sul modello X1234, appena troverò il link lo inserirò. Ciò però non risolve comunque il problema: anche ammesso che si riesca a trovare la numerazione, sarebbe difficoltoso riconoscere il percorso della linea, dato che questa classificazione viene utilizzata solo internamente, come numerazione di servizio. ALn_668 -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Suggerimenti-mapping-rete-autobus-cotral-tp5724773p5724871.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Suggerimenti mapping rete autobus cotral
Il giorno 12 settembre 2012 13:38, ALn_668 maximus1...@hotmail.it ha scritto: Salve a tutti! Sono l'ALn_668 di cui sopra scriveva Davio. Per quanto riguarda la numerazione delle linee, so dell'esistenza di vere e proprie tabelle di marcia con la classificazione sul modello X1234, appena troverò il link lo inserirò. Ciò però non risolve comunque il problema: anche ammesso che si riesca a trovare la numerazione, sarebbe difficoltoso riconoscere il percorso della linea, dato che questa classificazione viene utilizzata solo internamente, come numerazione di servizio. ALn_668 Contattare l'azienda? Perchè ok che hanno una classificazione interna, ma se è interna probabilmente non la potrai usare :-) Così magari collaborano dandoti altri dati e poi mettono le mappe sul sito :D Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Suggerimenti mapping rete autobus cotral
sarchittuorg wrote Contattare l'azienda? Perchè ok che hanno una classificazione interna, ma se è interna probabilmente non la potrai usare :-) Così magari collaborano dandoti altri dati e poi mettono le mappe sul sito :D Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@ http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it Non credo sia così interna... tanto che se si cerca in Trova Percorso dal sito della CoTraL (accessibile a tutti), come ha fatto Davio nel link che prima ha inviato, viene addirittura indicata insieme alla destinazione degli autobus! ALn_668 -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Suggerimenti-mapping-rete-autobus-cotral-tp5724773p5724874.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Suggerimenti mapping rete autobus cotral
Di solito la numerazione interna è per diversificare i percorsi con deviazione di una stessa linea. Io uso loc_ref anche se non so se sia la miglior soluzione. Il giorno 12 settembre 2012 13:52, ALn_668 maximus1...@hotmail.it ha scritto: sarchittuorg wrote Contattare l'azienda? Perchè ok che hanno una classificazione interna, ma se è interna probabilmente non la potrai usare :-) Così magari collaborano dandoti altri dati e poi mettono le mappe sul sito :D Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@ http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it Non credo sia così interna... tanto che se si cerca in Trova Percorso dal sito della CoTraL (accessibile a tutti), come ha fatto Davio nel link che prima ha inviato, viene addirittura indicata insieme alla destinazione degli autobus! ALn_668 -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Suggerimenti-mapping-rete-autobus-cotral-tp5724773p5724874.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Percorso alternativo via Francigena
2012/9/12 Alexander Roalter alexan...@roalter.it: Am 11.09.2012 16:57, schrieb Gianmario Mengozzi: La butto lì: e una relazione di relazioni? Questo credo che si dice network... Ma lo dico solo dalla memoria, senza guardare se è corretto. si, lo troverei anch'io pensabile come tag (non si avrebbe ne anche bisogno di una relazione, relations are not categories), ma al momento con il tag network non funziona, per hiking routes è definito con valori come ncn / rcn / lcn / nwn / rwn / ... (national, regional, local) Qualche tag per indicare via francigena (volendo anche uno specifico, via_francigena=yes (o forse local,national,regional per differenziare varianti, ma quello in realtà fanno già state e network) Forse si potrebbe utilizzare brand? brand=Via Francigena Altrimenti qualcosa come topic o theme? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:route ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] man_made=column?
Lungo un sentiero di montagna il comune ha infisso nel terreno dei tronchi scortecciati in legno di larice alti circa 1 m e del diametro 0.3 m circa che servono a segnalare che di lì passa il sentiero. La loro funzione è identica a quella di man_made=cairn (che sono solo fatti di pietra) Non riportano alcuna indicazione perciò non posso mapparli come information=trail_blaze o information=guidepost posso usare man_made=column? Idee? Suggerimenti? Buon mapping. Gian Mario Navillod. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Percorso alternativo via Francigena
2012/9/12 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Forse si potrebbe utilizzare brand? brand=Via Francigena Secondo me dovrebbe essere proprio name=Via Francigena Il fatto che attualmente name contenga anche tratto piemontese o simili mi sembra improprio: è implicito nella sua collocazione spaziale. Se invece si vuole indicare che i tratti sono curati da gestori diversi si dovrebbe usare operator= Ciao ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] man_made=column?
Io propongo trailblazed=yes sulle vie del percorso. Non metterei i tronchi individuali. Volker 2012/9/12 Gian Mario Navillod gian.mario.navil...@gmail.com Lungo un sentiero di montagna il comune ha infisso nel terreno dei tronchi scortecciati in legno di larice alti circa 1 m e del diametro 0.3 m circa che servono a segnalare che di lì passa il sentiero. La loro funzione è identica a quella di man_made=cairn (che sono solo fatti di pietra) Non riportano alcuna indicazione perciò non posso mapparli come information=trail_blaze o information=guidepost posso usare man_made=column? Idee? Suggerimenti? Buon mapping. Gian Mario Navillod. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] ODBL e derivare dati da OSM
Il giorno 10 settembre 2012 11:04, Maurizio Napolitano napoo...@gmail.comha scritto: Chiaro e concordo. Infatti il focus della mia domanda era sul solo scambio di dati OSM - Progetto - PA. [...] Sul fronte delle responsabilita', il problema che noto e' che poi la pa potra' avere, fra i suoi mandati, anche il compito di dover capire se ci saranno violazioni. Questa è una delle risposte che cercavo. Ma potranno usare i dati ODBL che produrremo per attività ed atti di PA ? Certo che si. Ricordati pero' che gli atti e i documenti della pubblica amministrazione non ricadono sotto la legge del diritto d'autore (ergo sono documenti di pubblico dominio - http://www.interlex.it/testi/l41_633.htm#5) In ogni caso la ODbL non dovrebbe propagarsi fino a quel livello di informazione. Mi spiego: la ODbL obbliga che la banca dati e le sue modifiche usino la stessa licenza, ma i prodotti derivati che non sono banche dati, non ricadono sotto questa licenza. [...] Quindi la PA a cui stai proponendo questo progetto dovra': - rilasciare la banca dati dei sentieri in ODbL dichiarando che deriva da OpenStreetMap - creare tutti i documenti con la licenza che preferisce (poi vale il discorso di sopra sulla legge d'autore) In effetti sarà il progetto ad effettuare il primo dei due passi, quindi nessun problema a definire la licenza per il prodotto: tracciati dei sentieri e tag OSM con eventuale lavoro di categorizzazione, saranno resi disponibili con licenza ODbL e con attribuzione OSM. Quindi per le mappe (sto utilizzando Maperitive) il progetto avrà la scelta di scegliere la licenza che desidera. Corretto ? In generale ti consiglio di aiutare questa PA ad andare verso il paradigma open data, di usare licenze deboli per i dati che loro pubblicano e di usare ODbL solo in casi come quello che hai descritto tu. Nel nostro caso dovrebbe essere il progetto ad avere il compito di rispettare l' ODBL per il prodotto creato da OSM. Un pò più di lavoro (ma neanche più di tanto), ma sarà più semplice gestire gli aspetti di licenza. A conferma ed ulteriore dettaglio di quanto dici tu ma con un aspetto interessante sulla viralità lo possiamo trovare nello scenario discusso in [1]: * 1) Create a produced work under ODbL term 4.3 with proper attribution** 2) Release produced work as public domain with proper attribution** 3) Strip off legal notices and attribution (which I think is allowed, ** almost by definition, for public domain works)** 4) Republish as public domain or any other license, without attribution* This is allowed. Secondo me è un caso simile al mio. Chiarisco che non voglio trovare un sistema per girare intorno all' ODBL, ma non vorrei che il progetto producesse un buon prodotto, in grado di integrarsi con gli standard ed i linguaggi PA, per poi venire messo in discussione per impegni derivanti dal rispetto della licenza. PS: poi lo sai che tutto questo dovrai venire a raccontarlo a OSMIT ? poi lo sai che se non continuate a chiarirmi l'aspetto di licensing, non presento nulla, ne alla PA e ne a OSMIT ? ;- Fabrizio [1] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2010-April/003264.html ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Suggerimenti mapping rete autobus cotral
On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Davio wrote: L'utente ALn_668 sta provvedendo al mapping della rete autobus cotral della regione Lazio, parlandone con lui sono delle emerse questioni da risolvere. Dato che le linee cotral non hanno una numerazione visibile sulle paline, non siamo sicuri cosa inserire nel capo ref che identifica il numero della linea. La cotral utilizza una numerazione interna di servizio per ogni linea, ma non è mostrata su nessuna palina, solo nel sito della società. Quindi le due ipotesi sono: o si utilizzano queste numerazioni di servizio nel campo ref, oppure pensavamo di inserire una abbreviazione dell'itinerario che la linea compie, in modo da non avere un ref troppo lungo. Ho avuto un problema simile con gli autobus di linea che portano da qui a Palermo. Ci sono diverse linee, ma non hanno una numerazione (almeno non pubblica), e vengono conosciute dalla gente dalle città che attraversano: - Marsala-Mazara-Palermo - Marsala-Mazara-Castelvetrano-Palermo - Campobello-Salemi-Palermo - Marsala-Birgi-Palermo - ... Ho risolto usando un ref=Mar-Maz-Pa [1]; certo non è il massimo della vita, ma quantomeno è comprensibile. [1]: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2083561 Ciao, David -- . ''`. Debian developer | http://wiki.debian.org/DavidPaleino : :' : Linuxer #334216 --|-- http://www.hanskalabs.net/ `. `'` GPG: 1392B174 | http://deb.li/dapal `- 2BAB C625 4E66 E7B8 450A C3E1 E6AA 9017 1392 B174 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] man_made=column?
2012/9/12 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com: Io propongo trailblazed=yes sulle vie del percorso. Non metterei i tronchi individuali. questo è un altro discorso. In realtà trailblazed=yes dovrebbe essere lo standard per qualsiasi hiking route perchè altrimenti non si dovrebbe inserire. Lui vuole mettere tronchi individuali quindi vorrei proporre un tag. man_made=column non mi sembra adatto (troppo piccoli, anche se dalla fato sembrano leggermente più grandi di quanto descritto sopra, forse ca. 2m di altezza e 50cm di diametro), credo invece che information=trail_blaze potrebbe andare bene. E' quello che sono, e non c'è scritto che trail_blaze devono avere indicazioni, o si? ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Percorso alternativo via Francigena
2012/9/12 Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com: 2012/9/12 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Forse si potrebbe utilizzare brand? brand=Via Francigena Secondo me dovrebbe essere proprio name=Via Francigena hai ragione, se i singoli tratti non hanno nomi individuali sarebbe la cosa più facile così. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Messaggi di avvertimento mappatura
Mi sono trovato a distanza di qualche settimana con tutte le restrizioni effettuate in diverse zone moncate con pezzi eliminati poichè qualche nuovo utente aveva spostato un semplice nodo, o strade terziarie trasformate in secondarie e residenziali in primarie ecc per cui mi sono detto (memore pure io di errori fatti) ci sarà un sistema di avvertimento più efficace con josm o potchland del tipo (vuoi proprio cancellare e compromettere la restrizione? Una seconda volta se ne proprio sicuro? magari pure con un sonoro e dopo due tre domande del genere lasciare effettuare il salvataggio). Pensate sia possibile probabilmente si eviterebbero degli errori magari anche di semplice battitura come trasformare una residenziale in primary:) Che ne dite è possibile? ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] prova creazione nuova mappa osmand
ho provato in modo autonomo a crearmi una mappa di osmand con osmmaker 8.3 e qualcosa mi pare a distanza di 10 ore non è ancora a metà percorso e mi ha creato un file log di più di 10 giga avevo fatto la prova con piccole mappe e in pochissimo tempo le aveva create ma a quanto pare per circa 500mb c'è qualche intoppo di troppo anche se mi sembra molto strano sembra tutto iper rallentato (che si sia creato un cono di bottiglia con hard disk o processore si riscaldi troppo?) (pc 8gb memoria processore 3Ghz) ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-co] Cambio de licencia en OSM
Cambio de licencia hecho. http://blog.osmfoundation.org/2012/09/12/openstreetmap-data-license-is-odbl/ - Mensaje original- De: Federico Explorador (Nevados.org) federico.explora...@nevados.org Reply-to: OpenStreetMap Colombia talk-co@openstreetmap.org Para: 'OpenStreetMap Colombia' talk-co@openstreetmap.org Asunto: Re: [Talk-co] Cambio de licencia en OSM Fecha: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 15:33:32 -0500 Transporte: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Hola German: También tengo que comenzar diciendo “en lo que interpreto”…. porque no soy experto en la materia. Pero tengo entendido de que sí hay un cambio importante: En una licencia CC-BY-SA tu pones a disposición un trabajo tuyo a los demás, que lo pueden usar y transformar, pero sigue siendo tuyo. En cambio, con la nueva licencia se renuncia a cualquier tipo de autoría. Lo anterior se puede entender fácil para un libro o una fotografía, pero como aplicarlo para trozos dispersos en una base de datos? Casos donde un usuario haya mapeado, completo y solo, una ciudad entera comenzando en la nada, para decir: “yo soy el autor”, habrá muy pocos. A mí me parece bien y hace rato di mi autorización al cambio, pero hay gente sobre todo en Europea – Francia, Alemania – donde hay descontentos. Es una minoría, creo pequeña, pero no se puede ignorar que esta cuestión ha causado un conflicto al interior de la comunidad. Un cordial saludo, Federico De: German Delreal Caceres [mailto:germandelr...@gmail.com] Enviado el: lunes, 11 de abril de 2011 03:12 p.m. Para: OpenStreetMap Colombia Asunto: Re: [Talk-co] Cambio de licencia en OSM En lo que interpreto sin ser muy conocedor de leyes, logro entender que este cambio es para bien de los usuarios y contribuyentes de OSM, pues es mas clara en las apreciaciones de entendimiento de osm como base de datos. CC es mas para documentos, textos, etc. Hace dias recibi un mensaje de OSM comunicandome este cambio de licencia y debido a que estoy permantemente contribuyendo a la mejora del mapa me solicitaron decidir su aceptaba la nueva licencia odbl o me quedaba con la cc. espero alguien conocedor de estos temas de licencias nos aclare si estamos ante algo que nos afecta como colectivo de usuarios de software libre, o podemos aceptar con confianza el nuevo licenciamiento. German Delreal Caceres Ubuntu User # 27641 Linux user # 491097 El 11 de abril de 2011 11:04, hyan...@gmail.com hyan...@gmail.com escribió: Estimados maperos: OSM está en el proceso de cambio de licencia. Para su información sobre la importancia en este tema envío enlace: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:ODbL/We_Are_Changing_The_License Como autores es menester proteger nuestros derechos. Cordial saludo, Humberto Yances ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co
Re: [Talk-at] Fwd: Fahrradrouten in Österreich
Servus, ich bin auch im Marchfeld tätig. Bei den Radwegen mal mehr mal weniger (also wenn es zu Kollisionen kommt, bitte PN). Bis jetzt habe ich mich nicht getraut, die Radwege in eine andere Kategorie zu verschieben. Aber da ihr wohl selbiger Meinung seit, werde ich mal meine Planungen folgender Region offenlegen: http://cycling.lonvia.de/de/?zoom=13lat=48.37873lon=16.7273 Die Verbindungsradwege 950, 952 und 956 mit 13, 19 und 26km werden von rcn auf lcn herabgestuft. Auf lcn hätte ich nur die einstelligen 5 und 8 (KTM) belassen. Auch der Marchfeldkanal braucht noch ein wenig Neugestaltung. Aktuell wurde der gesamte Radweg 91 hineingeworfen, jedoch ist der nur für den Abschnitt Wien - Deutsch Wagram korrekt, der Rest weiter über Bockfließ stimmt nicht. Dann noch ein zweites Thema: An den Radwegschildern gibt es so kleine Sticker für Notfälle zur Ortung. Sie sind im Format: Bezirk - Radweg - Kilometrierung (z.B.: GF 5 60.5), dort wo es mir bekannt ist, wollte ich den Radweg in Richtung der Kilometrierung sortieren. Das übliche Format wäre: highway=emergency_access_point ref=GF 5 60.5 Da ich es aber gerne der Realität entsprechend auf den Wegweiser setzen will, ist das highway nicht wirklich passend. Jemand eine Idee? Vielleicht amenity=emergency_acces_point, wurde aber erst 2 Mal genutzt. LG Jimmy Am 24.08.2012 16:18, schrieb fr...@gmx.at: Also für Niederösterreich hab ich jetzt auf die Schnelle nichts über Nummern der Landesregierung gefunden. Ich würde also die Unterscheidung doch von der Streckenlänge abhängig machen. Es gibt ja sehr viele ausgeschilderte Radrouten mit einer Länge so ca. zwischen 40 und 70km, die in einem Tag zu fahren sind. Die würde ich dann als lcn taggen. Was länger ist ist dann rcn. vg Franz ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
