Re: [Talk-it] Iniziare a contribuire

[marco bra]

Dici "Infine, ho notato che mancano alcune strade carrabili..."

Sperando che tali strade possano essere individuate da satellite...

Se credi che ci vorrà un po' di tempo prima che tu inizi a mapparle,
potresti inserire, per il momento,
direttamente dal sito di openstreetmap delle note sulla mappa, atte ad
evidenziare i punti dove mancano le strade o altri elementi.

Serviranno quale "reminder" a te stesso o ad altri mappatori ad evidenziare
le mancanze e a correggerle.

Grazie e benvenuto.

mcheck/mcheckimport



Il giorno 3 ottobre 2015 01:11, Martin Koppenhoefer 
ha scritto:

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> > Am 02.10.2015 um 23:39 schrieb Manlio Perillo  >:
> >
> > Potrei provare a chiedere in Comune, ma credo facciano sempre
> riferimento a carte IGM.
>
>
> in OSM siamo soprattutto interessati alla conoscenza diretta del
> mappatore, in primis non è un progetto che vuole importare o copiare dati
> da terzi. La mappa non deve per forza essere completata nel minimo tempo
> possibile, meglio avere meno ma affidabile e verificato. All'inizio ci sono
> spesso soltanto le cose significative e rilevanti, poi col tempo e più
> persone si riempiono anche le nicchie ;-)
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] bâtiment invisible sur rendu standard

[Philippe Verdy]

Apparemment le /dirty est finalement apparu avec bien du retard. Tout ça
ressemble à une surcharge de travail du serveur de rendu.

Le 3 octobre 2015 11:35, Philippe Verdy  a écrit :

> Ca ressemble plus à une limite de rectangle de sélection insuffisant en
> bordure d'une hypertuile, le polygone n'est pas pris en entier et éliminé,
> sinon c'est son bounding-box qui est mal remis à jour, ou un diff qui n'a
> pas été bien pris en compte sur la base GIS.
>
> Tu peux essayer de voir si en inversant le sens du tracé cela suffit à le
> remettre à jour pour qu'il soit pris en compte quelques minutes plus tard.
> (J'ai essayé le /dirty, mais aucun effet).
>
> Regarde quand même s'il n'y a pas une espace en trop dans le nom ou la
> valeur de "building=yes" qui ferait qu'il n'est pas pris en compte.
>
> Le 3 octobre 2015 09:55, Pierre-Yves Berrard <
> pierre.yves.berr...@gmail.com> a écrit :
>
>> Je ne pense pas que le moteur de rendu s'attarde à ce genre de détail.
>> Exemple : http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/299913096
>>
>> Le 2 octobre 2015 23:28, Francescu GAROBY  a écrit :
>>
>>> Bonsoir,
>>> La seule différence que je vois, avec une autre mairie visible
>>> , c'est le tag "building"
>>> qui n'a pas la même valeur ("yes" dans ton cas, "civic" dans mon cas, comme
>>> le dit d'ailleurs le wiki
>>> 
>>> ).
>>>
>>> Francescu
>>>
>>> Le 2 octobre 2015 21:47, Pierre-Yves Berrard <
>>> pierre.yves.berr...@gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>
 Bonsoir,

 Quelqu'un aurait-il une idée de la raison pour laquelle ce bâtiment
 n'apparaît pas sur le rendu standard ?
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/129152203

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Re: [Talk-it] Iniziare a contribuire

[Aury88]

direi che all'inizio sia meglio inserire strade e sentieri anche se
sprovvisti di nomi...questo già permette l'utilizzo basico della mappa da
gente che vuole arrivare dal punto A al punto B senza necessariamente le
indicazione con i nomi delle vie.
l'aumentata fruibilità della mappa consente maggiori probabilità che venga
usata da altri utenti che potrebbero conoscere direttamente il nome dei
sentieri e segnalarli o inserirli direttamente loro nella mappa.
personalmente ti consiglio almeno all'inizio di fare quindi un lavoro basico
e che non occupi troppo tempo/risorse. fatto questo  la mappatura ed
aggiunta di info più complesse o che richiedono una maggiore conoscenza del
territorio sarà un po' più semplice e accessibile anche ai non mappatori
(che non possono vedere tracce GPS e foto aeree).
per quanto riguarda i mappatori della zona è una cosa utile appunto per
mappare in compagnia o inserire elementi non evidenti dalle foto aeree (come
appunto i nomi delle strade), ma per tutto il resto bastiamo ed avanziamo
noi per eventuali consigli o suggerimenti ;-)
ah! Benvenuto tra noi! \o/



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] highway=footway et *=designated

[Plop76]

Philippe Verdy avait énoncé :

Bizarre quand même car cela n'a rien d'un "path" (valide pour les chemins
de terre ou de cailloux).


Si on regarde le wiki, l'utilisation de path est bien plus vaste :
"highway=path is a generic path, either multi-use or unspecified usage, 
open to all non-motorized vehicles. The path may have any type of 
surface."


D'ailleurs le wiki conseille path pour les voies vertes en France, qui 
sont souvent asphaltées.





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Re: [Talk-it] Come mappare delle risorgive?

[Paolo Monegato]

Il 29/09/2015 11:52, Volker Schmidt ha scritto:

(scusate , se è già stato trattato in lista - non ho trovato niente)

Nel Vicentino (e altrove) ci sono tante risorgive.
Quello che si vede è tipicamente un pozzo d'acqua con un ruscello che 
ne esce.


Tagging?

Ho messo:
per il pozzo: natural=water
per la risorgiva dentro il pozzo un nodo con: natural=spring; 
spring:type=karst-spring; name=Risorgiva xxx

dal pozzo esce un waterway=stream

(unico) esempio: http://osm.org/go/0IBxzBs3B--?m==3734235983


Essendo queste risorgive in pianura direi che la cosa più probabile è 
che il piccolo corso d'acqua che esce sia stato canalizzato 
artificialmente (di solito è bello dritto), quindi più che stream andrei 
di ditch/drain... Per il resto mi pare vada bene.


Forse si potrebbe aggiungere intermittent=no, dato che l'acqua in questi 
casi c'è tutto l'anno.
(probabilmente è un tag implicito, anche se sarebbe più giusto 
considerare implicito per stream e drain l'intermittent=yes... o volendo 
il seasonal per i ditch)


ciao
Paolo M


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] highway=footway et *=designated

[JB]

Wiki, usage courant et contributeurs d'opinions variées… La suppression 
des différences entre path et footway sur le rendu par défaut met au 
moins les pieds dans le plat ! Et en lisant les opinions sur le sujet, 
on est au moins d'accord qu'une opinion majoritaire ne ressortira jamais…


Le 03/10/2015 10:33, Plop76 a écrit :

Philippe Verdy avait énoncé :
Bizarre quand même car cela n'a rien d'un "path" (valide pour les 
chemins

de terre ou de cailloux).


Si on regarde le wiki, l'utilisation de path est bien plus vaste :
"highway=path is a generic path, either multi-use or unspecified 
usage, open to all non-motorized vehicles. The path may have any type 
of surface."


D'ailleurs le wiki conseille path pour les voies vertes en France, qui 
sont souvent asphaltées.



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] highway=footway et *=designated

[Philippe Verdy]

Bref de quoi rendre obsolètes
 "highway"="cycleway"
 "highway"="footway"
au profit de
 "highway=path" + ("foot"|"bicycle")=("designated"|"segregated")
Les deux premiers étant seulement des raccourcis du "highway=path" +
"*=designated" + "motor=no"

Dans ce cas à Nantes on trouve un peu partout des
  highway=footway + bicycle=designated + foot=designated
où JOSM "râle" sur les 2 premières, mais qui sont bien redondants sur la 3e
propriété (mais JOSM n'en dit rien...).
Correction à faire donc quand il y a plusieurs "*=designated/segregated",
choisir "highway=path" et ajouter "motor=no".

A voir quand même les combinaisons aussi avec les voies bus (busway) ou
tram... sachant qu'on a aussi souvent une permission de passage pour les
véhicules d'urgence, voire aussi les camions de livraison (qui doivent
rouler au pas), qui passent s'il n'y a pas de limite de poids ou gabarit
(et qui peuvent disposer de barrières ou plots abaissants, télécommandés ou
avec clef de service).

Et dans certains parcs, zones boisées et dans les hippodromes, on a des
"bridleway" pour les chevaux (là aussi un raccourci pour "highway=path" +
"horse=designated"), où les piétons et cyclistes passent sans problème la
plupart du temps.

Le 3 octobre 2015 10:33, Plop76  a écrit :

> Philippe Verdy avait énoncé :
>
>> Bizarre quand même car cela n'a rien d'un "path" (valide pour les chemins
>> de terre ou de cailloux).
>>
>
> Si on regarde le wiki, l'utilisation de path est bien plus vaste :
> "highway=path is a generic path, either multi-use or unspecified usage,
> open to all non-motorized vehicles. The path may have any type of surface."
>
> D'ailleurs le wiki conseille path pour les voies vertes en France, qui
> sont souvent asphaltées.
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

[Mike Thompson]

>> -If the driveway is long and wrong, or short and inside an urban area,
delete it.
>>
Any data that is reasonably accurate (i.e. possible to determine what on
the ground the data is supposed to represent) and is verifiable should not
be deleted. There might be some exceptions, such as personal information,
but driveways are not one of them.

>> So my plan is to change to hwy=service, service=driveway, delete private
unless posted
By removing access=private you would be removing a valuable piece of
information. Maybe the community can come up with a better tag, but we
should not just delete the "private" tag.
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Re: [Talk-it] Diminuzione Tag totali wikipedia

[Aury88]

dieterdreist wrote
> sent from a phone
> 
>> Am 02.10.2015 um 18:12 schrieb girarsi_liste 

> liste.girarsi@

> :
>> 
>> Non è che magari sono stati sostituiti dal tag wikidata=* ?
> 
> 
> non va fatto secondo me, finché wikidata non sia più maturo servono anche
> i link Wikipedia, (un articolo non è la stessa cosa di un oggetto, e
> benché gli oggetti wikidata possono puntare a più articoli Wikipedia,
> ancora non tutti gli articoli sono linkati dove si potrebbe).
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a che mi risulta è più vero il contrario, cioè wikipedia è più facile che
tratti più argomenti mentre la singola voce wikidata ne tratta solo uno.
comunque sono d'accordo: dove disponibile è meglio linkare sia agli articoli
wikipedia sia ai wikidata



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[OSM-talk-fr] Extractions du cadastre indisponibles

[Vincent de Château-Thierry]

Bonjour,
Les extractions du cadastre (adresses, bâti, limites) depuis 
http://cadastre.openstreetmap.fr/ ne fonctionnent plus depuis hier, 
suite à une boulette de ma part côté BANO.


Retour à la normale en début de semaine si tout va bien.

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Re: [Talk-it] OSMIT 2015

[Paolo Monegato]

Il 30/09/2015 15:03, Marcello ha scritto:
Non ho nessuna esperienza per le edizioni passate, finora non c'è 
stato molto seguito, quindi forse lo spostamento si rende necessario, 
ma se non si capiscono i motivi rischiamo che anche spostando l'evento 
avremo 8/10 persone al massimo che assicurano la presenza.


Secondo me non dovreste fare molto affidamento al numero di persone che 
si iscrivono sul wiki... guardate le pagine delle edizioni precedenti, 
non è che ci sia un gran numero di utenti segnati tra i probabili 
presenti...


Io penso che molte persone che contribuiscono assiduamente alla mappa 
e potrebbero essere interessate all'evento non frequentano la mailing 
list o il wiki, per cui non hanno informazioni su questo evento, ma 
non so quale canale potrebbe essere utilizzato per diffondere 
l'informazione dell'evento ad una platea più ampia. 


C'è anche gente che frequenta mailing list e wiki, non si segna tra i 
probabili presenti ma poi va ad OSMit... Se si guardano le pagine delle 
ultime edizioni si noterà l'assenza degli habituè, che poi però 
puntualmente sono andati. E si tratta di gente che legge la mailing list 
ed è attiva sul wiki.


Poi è vero, c'è pure tanta gente che non frequenta la mailing list e 
probabilmente non conosce nemmeno il wiki. Quando è stato fatto OSMit a 
Padova ho scritto dozzine di messaggi privati (via osm.org) ai mapper 
della zona per pubblicizzare l'evento (e pure le mailing list ed il 
wiki). Tanti non mi hanno risposto, ma chi mi ha risposto o è venuto a 
fare un salto, o, non potendo esserci, è comunque entrato in contatto 
con la comunità locale tramite gli altri canali.


Dunque, se posso dare un suggerimento, direi che sarebbe ottimale se 
qualcuno contattasse quanto meno i mapper senesi. Perché alla fine la 
differenza nei numeri tra le varie edizioni la fa la comunità locale.


ciao
Paolo M

ps: per la cronaca, se si farà, penso proprio che ci sarò anche 
quest'anno ad OSMit


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[Talk-br] Tags para os condomínios

[Severin Menard]

Oi,

Queria saber se tem um tag de referencia  (ou um comjunto de tags) para os
condomínios.

Severin
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] bâtiment invisible sur rendu standard

[Philippe Verdy]

Ca ressemble plus à une limite de rectangle de sélection insuffisant en
bordure d'une hypertuile, le polygone n'est pas pris en entier et éliminé,
sinon c'est son bounding-box qui est mal remis à jour, ou un diff qui n'a
pas été bien pris en compte sur la base GIS.

Tu peux essayer de voir si en inversant le sens du tracé cela suffit à le
remettre à jour pour qu'il soit pris en compte quelques minutes plus tard.
(J'ai essayé le /dirty, mais aucun effet).

Regarde quand même s'il n'y a pas une espace en trop dans le nom ou la
valeur de "building=yes" qui ferait qu'il n'est pas pris en compte.

Le 3 octobre 2015 09:55, Pierre-Yves Berrard 
a écrit :

> Je ne pense pas que le moteur de rendu s'attarde à ce genre de détail.
> Exemple : http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/299913096
>
> Le 2 octobre 2015 23:28, Francescu GAROBY  a écrit :
>
>> Bonsoir,
>> La seule différence que je vois, avec une autre mairie visible
>> , c'est le tag "building"
>> qui n'a pas la même valeur ("yes" dans ton cas, "civic" dans mon cas, comme
>> le dit d'ailleurs le wiki
>> ).
>>
>> Francescu
>>
>> Le 2 octobre 2015 21:47, Pierre-Yves Berrard <
>> pierre.yves.berr...@gmail.com> a écrit :
>>
>>> Bonsoir,
>>>
>>> Quelqu'un aurait-il une idée de la raison pour laquelle ce bâtiment
>>> n'apparaît pas sur le rendu standard ?
>>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/129152203
>>>
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[Talk-br] ​ Classificação de vias (agora com 50km/hora), como fica? Flavio Bello Fialho

[Ivaldo Nunes de Magalhães]

​Flávio, gostei da objetividade. Esclareceu a dúvida quanto a velocidade.
Sigo mais ou menos nessa linha também ​

O fluxograma não é consenso. Eu também não uso. Se a via é duplicada sem
​ ​
cruzamento em nível, é motorway. Se é duplicada com cruzamento em
nível, é trunk.
Fiquem à vontade para pensar diferente.​
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Extractions du cadastre indisponibles

[DH]

Le 03/10/2015 11:27, Vincent de Château-Thierry a écrit :

Bonjour,
Les extractions du cadastre (adresses, bâti, limites) depuis 
http://cadastre.openstreetmap.fr/ ne fonctionnent plus depuis hier, 
suite à une boulette de ma part côté BANO.


Retour à la normale en début de semaine si tout va bien.


"Dans le lac, avec des fers aux pieds "

"Cours Asterixsme ! Couuurs !"

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Re: [Talk-cz] Budovy v budově

[Petr Souček]

Dobrý večer,

 

nechal jsem oba zmiňované případy zkontrolovat u kolegyně a její odpověď níže.

 

1)  V RÚIAN správně, polygon budovy nemá být pouze na parcele 690/50 k.ú. 
Letňany (č.p. 422 Letňany), ale na celém SO, protože to je jeden SO z více č.p. 
422 – 428 (SO kód 22309063 
 ) ležící na 7 
parcelách. Zřejmě je i zmátlo, že DB SO je uveden v RÚIAN na parcele č. 629/44, 
tam kde oni předpokládají č.p. 428 
(http://sgi.nahlizenidokn.cuzk.cz/marushka/default.aspx?themeid=3 

 
&=81F2A805=954994101=1=Marushka).
 

 

2)  V RÚIAN správně , ten samý případ jako v bodě 1)  jedná se o jednu 
budovu s více č.p. 609 - 616 (SO kód 22310916 
 )na více parcelách (8): 
http://sgi.nahlizenidokn.cuzk.cz/marushka/default.aspx?themeid=3 

 
&=81F2A805=955023101=1=Marushka.
 

 

Pokud máte pocit, že je v datech RÚIAN přece jen nějaký problém, tak se ozvěte 
a zkuste mi jej popsat. 

 

Petr Souček

 

Dne 17.9.2015 v 10:17 Petr Kadlec napsal(a):

> 2015-09-17 7:29 GMT+02:00 Miroslav Suchý  <  mailto:miros...@suchy.cz>>:

> 

> Dne 17.9.2015 v 07:03 Lukas Novotny napsal(a):

>  > Jak řešit chybu s budovou v budově nebo nechat být?

>  > […]

> 

> IMHO

>   
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Simple_3D_Buildings

> viz Obrys budovy

> 

> 

> Nemyslím.

> 

> Tady je to IMHO jeden z běžných problémů RÚIANu: Dům č.p. 422 

> <  
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/122128671> má geometrii celého 

> dlouhého baráku, načež ostatní čísla popisná, např. č.p. 428 

> <  
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/122128688> mají geometrii toho 

> svého vchodu. Už se to tu párkrát diskutovalo, že se takové chyby v 

> RÚIANu objevují. Tedy IMHO prostě normálně opravit, cesta 122128671 má 

> obkreslovat jen ten krajní vchod, č.p. 422.

> 

> -- Petr Kadlec / Mormegil

 

 

Souhlas, je to typicky priklad pouziti RUIAN (a bordelu v nem). Nekde v 
historii jsem posilal do konfery i popis ruznych variant ktere nastavaji, zcela 
bez jakekoli logiky. Rozkreslene budovy by asi nemely mit ID z RUIAN, protoze 
neodpovidaji tomu co je tam.

 

Defakto totez plati o adresach - v RUIAN jsou klidne prideleny budovam adresy, 
ktere v dane lokalite vubec nemohou byt (nejblizsi ulice daneho jmena je 
kilometry daleko). Co si vzpominam, narazil jsem i na budovy, ktere dle RUIAN 
maji 3 ruzne adresy ... z cehoz nejmene 2 jsou na druhe strane obce.

 

Skoro bych rekl, ze tvurci dostavaji zaplaceno od kusu, a tak tam proste 
naladujou nejaka data at je veselo.

 

 

 

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Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

[Minh Nguyen]

On 2015-10-03 07:45, Mike Thompson wrote:


By removing access=private you would be removing a valuable piece of
information. Maybe the community can come up with a better tag, but we
should not just delete the "private" tag.


How do people here feel about using access=destination on driveways that 
aren't posted? It more or less captures "who is allowed", if not "who 
owns the road". The tag is designed for streets posted with "no through 
traffic" signs, but that's pretty much what's been described in this thread.


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Re: [Talk-it] Caricare più di 500 tracce.gpx zippate sul server OSM

[Simone]

Il 03 ottobre 2015 19:52:57 CEST, Marco Bartalini  ha 
scritto:
>Ragazzi, sto provando a caricare una cartella zippata con oltre 500
>tracce.gpx sui server OSM... tutto sembra andare a buon fine, ma se in
>realtà vado sull'editor ID a vedere le tracce che sono state caricate
>in
>una zona, le mie non le trova... o cmq sembrano non esserci tutte...
>
>sapete se esiste un limite sulla quantità massima di tracce
>importabile???
>cmq adesso sto provando ad importarle di nuovo e vediamo se avevo
>commesso
>qualche errore in fase di importazione.. ;-)
>
>
>
>*Marco Bartalini,marcobartal...@gmail.com *
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Re: [Talk-cz] Hospoda Praha

[Marián Kyral]

Dne 3.10.2015 v 10:09 Jachym Cepicky napsal(a):
>
> někdy v týdnu od 12.10?
>
>

Ideálně v úterý 13.10 nebo středu 14.10. To bych měl být na nějakých 90%
v Praze.
Nějaký tip na místo? Já jich v Praze moc neznám.

Marián

> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015, 12:03 Jiří Sedláček  > wrote:
>
> Taky bych přišel, lokalitou se asi přizpůsobím.
> Nicméně, přišel bych asi spíš za Wikimedia ČR a za Wikipedii a rád
> bych vás osobně pozval na Wikikonferenci (wikikonference.cz
> ).
>
> J.
>
> 2015-10-02 9:32 GMT+02:00 Marián Kyral  >:
>
> Takže fajn,
> nějaký zájem by byl ;-)
>
> Nevím jak mi to vyjde příští týden, jedu na školení a ještě
> přesně nevím, jaký bude program. Ale ten další týden by to
> mohlo vyjít.
> Máte tip na nějaké vhodné místo? Nezakouřená hospoda nebo
> třeba čajovna.
>
> Marián
>
> -- Původní zpráva --
> Od: Dalibor Jelínek  >
> Komu: 'OpenStreetMap Czech Republic'
> >
> Datum: 30. 9. 2015 9:07:29
> Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Hospoda Praha Was: Hospoda Brno - rijen
>
>
> Ahoj,
>
> i ja bych se zucastnil.
>
>  Dalibor
>
>  
>
> *From:*Petr Schönmann [mailto:pschonm...@gmail.com
> ]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 30, 2015 6:23 AM
> *To:* OpenStreetMap Czech Republic
> >
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-cz] Hospoda Praha Was: Hospoda Brno -
> rijen
>
>  
>
> Když bude čas tak bych přišel
>
>  
>
> Dne út 29. 9. 2015 18:29 uživatel  > napsal:
>
> Já bych byl pro.
> Honza
>
> -- Původní zpráva --
> Od: Marián Kyral  >
>
>
> Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic
>  >
>
> Datum: 29. 9. 2015 12:26:30
> Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Hospoda Praha Was: Hospoda Brno
> - rijen
>
>  
>
> Ahoj,
> je to hrůza, zase mně předběhli :-D
>
> Právě minulý týden jsem uvažoval, že bych navrhl
> nějakou hospodu v Praze. Po létě, kdy jsem moc na
> služebky nejezdil to vypadá, že opět budu jezdit
> každý týden. Měl by někdo z Prahy a okolí zájem?
> Bohužel by to bylo možné jen přes týden. Úterý
> nebo středa.
>
> Bohužel Brno je trochu z ruky.
>
> Marián
>
> -- Původní zpráva --
> Od: Tom Ka  >
> Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic
>  >
> Datum: 29. 9. 2015 12:01:16
> Předmět: [Talk-cz] Hospoda Brno - rijen
>
>  
>
> Ahoj, uz jsme se dlouho nevideli, kdyz to
> Martin tak hezky nadhodil,
> vykopavam rovnou termin na pristi tyden:
>
> http://doodle.com/poll/3k8kzri33zbux67h
>
> Misto pro zacatek za mne klidne zase u
> Kormidla, ale muzeme i jinam v
> centru kde to bude rozumne pro vetsinu dostupne.
>
> Bye
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[Talk-de] Meinungsbild trunk in Deutschland

[Joachim]

Es kamen Diskussionen[1] auf ob man die Definition von highway=trunk
für Deutschland nochmals verschärft und neben der Höhenfreiheit
weitere Kriterien aufnimmt. Bis zum 20.10. kann man darüber seine
Meinung kundtun: http://osm.haraldhartmann.de/umfrage/poll/39

Forenthread zur Abstimmung:
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=48851

Grüße, Joachim

[1] http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=32043 und
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-de/2015-May/22.html

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Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

[Paul Johnson]

On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Minh Nguyen 
wrote:

> On 2015-10-03 07:45, Mike Thompson wrote:
>
>>
>> By removing access=private you would be removing a valuable piece of
>> information. Maybe the community can come up with a better tag, but we
>> should not just delete the "private" tag.
>>
>
> How do people here feel about using access=destination on driveways that
> aren't posted? It more or less captures "who is allowed", if not "who owns
> the road". The tag is designed for streets posted with "no through traffic"
> signs, but that's pretty much what's been described in this thread.


That would imply that it is a public driveway, but not one that allows
through traffic.  Not the right use of the tag.
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[Talk-it] Caricare più di 500 tracce.gpx zippate sul server OSM

[Marco Bartalini]

Ragazzi, sto provando a caricare una cartella zippata con oltre 500
tracce.gpx sui server OSM... tutto sembra andare a buon fine, ma se in
realtà vado sull'editor ID a vedere le tracce che sono state caricate in
una zona, le mie non le trova... o cmq sembrano non esserci tutte...

sapete se esiste un limite sulla quantità massima di tracce importabile???
 cmq adesso sto provando ad importarle di nuovo e vediamo se avevo commesso
qualche errore in fase di importazione.. ;-)



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Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

[Minh Nguyen]

On 2015-10-03 16:58, Greg Troxel wrote:


What's wrong with the private tag?  Is the only objection that it shows
up pink on the map?  That's a clue that the rendering is wrong, not the
tag.


I was asking more out of curiosity. Personally, I'm fine with the way 
access=private driveways are rendered, and tagging driveways off 
cul-de-sacs as access=private matches how I tag the parking lots of 
apartment complexes and corporate headquarters.


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Re: [Talk-at] geoimage.at: Reached counter limit

[Kevin Kofler]

Martin Raifer wrote:
> In der Zwischenzeit kann man auch die Orthofotos von basemap.at [1]
> verwenden: Diese sollte eigentlich im Grunde die selben Luftbilder wie
> geoimage beinhalten (evtl. sogar mit punktuell noch
> aktuelleren/schärferen Bildern aus alternativen Luftbildquellen).
> Zusätzlich läuft der Dienst ohne restriktive Nutzungseinschränkungen
> und die Bilder sind unter einer offenen Lizenz verfügbar (CC-BY 3.0
> AT).

Für Wien sind allerdings die Luftbilder von basemap.at dieselben wie die 
direkt von der Stadt Wien, während geoimage.at andere Luftbilder von Wien 
hat (ich vermute, die kommen vom Land NÖ), was manchmal für Vergleiche 
hilfreich sein kann.

Kevin Kofler


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Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

[Greg Troxel]

Minh Nguyen  writes:

> On 2015-10-03 07:45, Mike Thompson wrote:
>>
>> By removing access=private you would be removing a valuable piece of
>> information. Maybe the community can come up with a better tag, but we
>> should not just delete the "private" tag.
>
> How do people here feel about using access=destination on driveways
> that aren't posted? It more or less captures "who is allowed", if not
> "who owns the road". The tag is designed for streets posted with "no
> through traffic" signs, but that's pretty much what's been described
> in this thread.

That would be wrong.Driveways on private property are access=private
because essentially no one has a right of access.  access=yes is about
having a legal right of use, seaprately from being granted permission.
access=destination is about having a legal right of use, as long as one
is traveling to someplace reachable by the way.  Using a driveway to get
to a house or business when one is going there is normal, because
there's an implied permission to be at the destination.  But it's still
permission, not a legal right.

Arguably driveways in shopping malls and other busy place should be
access=permissive.  I tend to not tag those and to tag the parking lots
access=customers.  That is a little funny, becuase there is no right of
access, but that seems to be how we encode "permission is granted to
customers to park".


What's wrong with the private tag?  Is the only objection that it shows
up pink on the map?  That's a clue that the rendering is wrong, not the
tag.


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Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

[Peter Dobratz]

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 7:23 AM, Tom Bloom  wrote:
>
> -Living Streets. This is a distinct entity and not something decided by OSM. 
> They are decided by local administration, and OSM should tag them only after 
> that. Paul suggests that there could be townhouses at the end of rural lanes 
> in rural Oregon. They are farmhouses and the tag is wrong. Tho I do prefer 
> the wrong green tag to the wrong red tag :-).
>
> Almost everywhere that I see people using highway=living_street in the
United States, I think they should be really using highway=service and
service=driveway as you suggest.  I did live in Germany for a while and I
know exactly what is meant by the highway=living_street tag there,
especially because they have a special road sign for them. I have never
come across a living street in the United States.

Access:
Living streets are a type of residential street which are generally public.
Driveways generally have some sort of implied access restrictions.

Ownership:
Living streets are generally owned and maintained by the government.
Driveways are generally owned and maintained by the owner of the adjoining
buildings.

Speed:
Living streets are generally really slow (2-3 mph) because you expect
children to run out at any time.
Driveways are generally faster (10-15 mph), though the speed limit, if any,
is usually set by the property owner.  You expect pedestrians to at least
pause and look before entering the driveway.

Crosswalks:
Living streets don't have crosswalks because the whole area sort of acts
like a crosswalk because vehicles have to always watch for people and yield
to them.
Driveways, especially in larger apartment complexes, can have designated
crosswalks and sidewalks for pedestrians.

Peter
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Re: [Talk-cz] Hospoda Brno - rijen

[Tomas Janousek]

Zdar,

On Fri, Oct 02, 2015 at 12:25:31PM +0200, Tom Ka wrote:
> Tome Janousek, jak ty jsi na tom v tu St? (s vopem tentokrat teda
> nepocitam spis vubec ani na jeden termin).

Mám tam tohle: https://www.facebook.com/events/1509544739367128/, ale dost
pravděpodobně bych už třeba kolem osmé mohl být v Kormidle.

(A možná tenhle mail přijde dvakrát, čtu to přes gmane a neumím odpovídat
asi.)

-- 
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Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

[Paul Johnson]

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Tom Bloom  wrote:

> Summary, sort of. Thanks for all comments!
>
> There is no consensus, but what I've gleaned is that:
>
>
I don't know how you came to that conclusion without some fairly selective
reading, Tom.

> -If the driveway is long and wrong, or short and inside an urban area, delete 
> it.
>
> Paul and Kevin say I should fix them. Easily said, but there are are too many 
> and there are whole towns needing alignment, and endless roads connecting 
> them that don't remotely resemble reality. No data is better than wrong data.
>
>  Scrambling someone else's work for your own comfort is generally
considered harmful.

> -Regarding access=private. If there is a gate, it's private. If it is a lane 
> to a farmhouse, it may or may not be. There are any number of reasons. The 
> electric meter reader. FedEx. Someone who is lost. The vet. I think the 
> private tag should be removed, unless the lane is posted private. I've never 
> seen one in decades of biking country roads. Farmers love company. If there 
> is an address issue, it is normally the mail box at the main road, not at the 
> house.
>
> Even if it's not gated, it's still probably private, as the public has no
reasonable expectation to be there for any reasons other than visiting or
conducting business with the farmer.

> -Living Streets. This is a distinct entity and not something decided by OSM. 
> They are decided by local administration, and OSM should tag them only after 
> that. Paul suggests that there could be townhouses at the end of rural lanes 
> in rural Oregon. They are farmhouses and the tag is wrong. Tho I do prefer 
> the wrong green tag to the wrong red tag :-).
>
> No, I said that these are a common situation in urban America and used an
example of a townhouse complex I formerly lived in back in Wood Village as
an example.

> -Don't map for the renderer. Agreed, but it seems reasonable to try to make 
> the map look good. Mapnik is the face of OSM for most people. Paul again 
> suggests that I should make my own render. Why? I've spent countless hours 
> aligning rivers, roads, and rails with Mapnik as the guide. This makes the 
> map look better and may appeal more to prospective users.
>
> That's not a data issue, don't create data for the renderer.  If you don't
like how it looks, fix the renderer, don't game the data.

> Kevin says all real roads should be included, if tagged correctly. I agree.
>
> So my plan is to change to hwy=service, service=driveway, delete private 
> unless posted, delete living_street where inappropriate, and have a beer.
>
> Could you not?  And maybe actually listen to what people are saying?
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] bâtiment invisible sur rendu standard

[Pierre-Yves Berrard]

Je ne pense pas que le moteur de rendu s'attarde à ce genre de détail.
Exemple : http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/299913096

Le 2 octobre 2015 23:28, Francescu GAROBY  a écrit :

> Bonsoir,
> La seule différence que je vois, avec une autre mairie visible
> , c'est le tag "building" qui
> n'a pas la même valeur ("yes" dans ton cas, "civic" dans mon cas, comme
> le dit d'ailleurs le wiki
> ).
>
> Francescu
>
> Le 2 octobre 2015 21:47, Pierre-Yves Berrard <
> pierre.yves.berr...@gmail.com> a écrit :
>
>> Bonsoir,
>>
>> Quelqu'un aurait-il une idée de la raison pour laquelle ce bâtiment
>> n'apparaît pas sur le rendu standard ?
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/129152203
>>
>> PY
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Re: [Talk-cz] Hospoda Praha

[Jachym Cepicky]

někdy v týdnu od 12.10?

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015, 12:03 Jiří Sedláček  wrote:

> Taky bych přišel, lokalitou se asi přizpůsobím.
> Nicméně, přišel bych asi spíš za Wikimedia ČR a za Wikipedii a rád bych
> vás osobně pozval na Wikikonferenci (wikikonference.cz).
>
> J.
>
> 2015-10-02 9:32 GMT+02:00 Marián Kyral :
>
>> Takže fajn,
>> nějaký zájem by byl ;-)
>>
>> Nevím jak mi to vyjde příští týden, jedu na školení a ještě přesně nevím,
>> jaký bude program. Ale ten další týden by to mohlo vyjít.
>> Máte tip na nějaké vhodné místo? Nezakouřená hospoda nebo třeba čajovna.
>>
>> Marián
>>
>> -- Původní zpráva --
>> Od: Dalibor Jelínek 
>> Komu: 'OpenStreetMap Czech Republic' 
>> Datum: 30. 9. 2015 9:07:29
>> Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Hospoda Praha Was: Hospoda Brno - rijen
>>
>> Ahoj,
>>
>> i ja bych se zucastnil.
>>
>>  Dalibor
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Petr Schönmann [mailto:pschonm...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 30, 2015 6:23 AM
>> *To:* OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
>> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-cz] Hospoda Praha Was: Hospoda Brno - rijen
>>
>>
>>
>> Když bude čas tak bych přišel
>>
>>
>>
>> Dne út 29. 9. 2015 18:29 uživatel  napsal:
>>
>> Já bych byl pro.
>> Honza
>>
>> -- Původní zpráva --
>> Od: Marián Kyral 
>>
>>
>> Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
>>
>> Datum: 29. 9. 2015 12:26:30
>> Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Hospoda Praha Was: Hospoda Brno - rijen
>>
>>
>>
>> Ahoj,
>> je to hrůza, zase mně předběhli :-D
>>
>> Právě minulý týden jsem uvažoval, že bych navrhl nějakou hospodu v Praze.
>> Po létě, kdy jsem moc na služebky nejezdil to vypadá, že opět budu jezdit
>> každý týden. Měl by někdo z Prahy a okolí zájem? Bohužel by to bylo možné
>> jen přes týden. Úterý nebo středa.
>>
>> Bohužel Brno je trochu z ruky.
>>
>> Marián
>>
>> -- Původní zpráva --
>> Od: Tom Ka 
>> Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
>> Datum: 29. 9. 2015 12:01:16
>> Předmět: [Talk-cz] Hospoda Brno - rijen
>>
>>
>>
>> Ahoj, uz jsme se dlouho nevideli, kdyz to Martin tak hezky nadhodil,
>> vykopavam rovnou termin na pristi tyden:
>>
>> http://doodle.com/poll/3k8kzri33zbux67h
>>
>> Misto pro zacatek za mne klidne zase u Kormidla, ale muzeme i jinam v
>> centru kde to bude rozumne pro vetsinu dostupne.
>>
>> Bye
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