Re: [Talk-us] .... finding areas that are underserved

[Mark Wagner]

On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 22:22:06 -0500
Russ Nelson  wrote:

> Markus Fischer writes:
>  > I am new to this and the area where I live is very well mapped
>  > (probably due to high density of tech workers). Where do I go to
>  > start mapping areas that are less well mapped (me aimlessly poking
>  > at this does not sound like a good approach)?  
> 
> Oh, and you can always do some work in Pennsylvania. Here, let's pick
> a place at random, Thompson,
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=12/41.8666/-75.5154
> 
> Look at Willow Street against Bing aerial imagery. It's badly aligned.
> Look at Main Street. Also badly aligned.
> Look at the cemetery west of Main. It's not on the map.
> Jefferson, East Jackson, Water, all badly aligned.
> Four bodies of water north of the village, all missing.
> A little creek coming in from the west and going into a mill pond.
> 
> There's LOTS to do, and you don't need to have ever gone to the
> place. You can just see it from the air. You can even see where an
> intersection has traffic lights -- the aerials are that good.

I wouldn't recommend pure armchair mapping as a starting point for
someone just getting in to OSM.  There are too many "gotchas": to take
your traffic light example, there are patterns of street lights that
look similar to traffic lights if you're just judging from the shadows
they cast.  Or looking at Thompson, you missed the fact that Starrucca
Creek proceeds to exit the millpond, flow west through Thompson, and
loop around to the north and east, to join with the Susquehanna River
about ten miles away.  Or to take an example in my area, most of the
small bodies of water are seasonal and turn into patches of
dried mud in the late summer, something you'd never figure out from
looking at Bing.

I'd recommend starting by simply verifying things in your immediate
area.  It will give you a feel for how things on the ground match up to
what you see from the air, and you'll probably find some businesses or
roads that need updating.

-- 
Mark

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Re: [Talk-us] .... finding areas that are underserved

[Russ Nelson]

Markus Fischer writes:
 > I am new to this and the area where I live is very well mapped
 > (probably due to high density of tech workers). Where do I go to
 > start mapping areas that are less well mapped (me aimlessly poking
 > at this does not sound like a good approach)?

Oh, and you can always do some work in Pennsylvania. Here, let's pick
a place at random, Thompson,
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=12/41.8666/-75.5154

Look at Willow Street against Bing aerial imagery. It's badly aligned.
Look at Main Street. Also badly aligned.
Look at the cemetery west of Main. It's not on the map.
Jefferson, East Jackson, Water, all badly aligned.
Four bodies of water north of the village, all missing.
A little creek coming in from the west and going into a mill pond.

There's LOTS to do, and you don't need to have ever gone to the
place. You can just see it from the air. You can even see where an
intersection has traffic lights -- the aerials are that good.

-- 
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Re: [Talk-us] .... finding areas that are underserved

[Russ Nelson]

Markus Fischer writes:
 > I am new to this and the area where I live is very well mapped (probably due 
 > to high density of tech workers). Where do I go to start mapping areas that 
 > are less well mapped (me aimlessly poking at this does not sound like a good 
 > approach)?

Any place there aren't a lot of people.

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Re: [Talk-es] Correos de bienvenida a nuevos usuarios

[Óscar Zorrilla Alonso]

He probado la herramienta para dar la bienvenida y funciona perfectamente. Buen 
trabajo.


En el mensaje se me queda un tanto lioso el llegar a la categorías [1], pensad 
que mucha gente no tiene ni idea de que es OpenStreetMap, mucha información de 
repente como los estatutos o normalización, yo en lugar de Categorías [1] los 
mandaría a WikiProject Spain [3].

He echado en falta algún enlace bien visible o en la wiki a LearnOSM [2] 
 que me parece la guía mas sencilla para novatos





[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Spain

[2] http://learnosm.org/es

[3] 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Spain




Un saludo

Óscar - cronoser



De: Alejandro S. 
Enviado: sábado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 19:06
Para: Discusión en Español de OpenStreetMap
Asunto: Re: [Talk-es] Correos de bienvenida a nuevos usuarios

Si, ya está en el git que agrupa las fuentes de datos, pero se ve que hay un 
problema con el formato del wms. Viendo lo solucionen en iD saldrá PNOA 
directamente .

On Sat, Nov 12, 2016, 11:59 Santiago Crespo 
> wrote:
Hola Miguel,

¿Habéis solicitado que aparezca PNOA por defecto en España al usar iD?

Saludos,
Santiago Crespo

On 11/11/2016 03:16 PM, Miguel Sevilla-Callejo wrote:
> Pero si andan usando ID que no la lien por usar BING, que coloquen PNOA
> (a ver si sale de una vez por defecto...)

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Re: [Talk-transit] [Tagging] Bus routes forward/backward

[Michael Tsang]

I always separate those platforms into connected halves (sharing same nodes) 
because they have different refs:


?12?34?


Are your platforms really called A and B with tracks on both sides in your 
case? For example, if the timetable tells you to board at platform B and there 
is a train on both tracks, which do you board?


Michael


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From: Stephen Sprunk 
Sent: 01 November 2016 02:37
To: winfi...@gmail.com; Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics
Cc: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] [Tagging] Bus routes forward/backward


Polyglot,

Just noting the platform may sometimes not be specific enough, however, which I 
suspect is why stop_positions exist.

Keep in mind that platforms may serve multiple tracks.  For instance, there are 
a few stations here configured like this:

?A?B?

The "regular" trains (which run the full line, every N minutes) stop on the 
outside tracks while the "peak" or "express" trains (which run part of the 
line, but only certain hours) stop on the middle track.  Telling someone to 
take the next train from a given platform could easily send them in the wrong 
direction.

Other, similar-looking stations are set up like this:

?A?B?

All the trains on the left track are going to downtown, but the trains on the 
middle and right track are going to different suburbs; telling someone to take 
the next train from a given platform could easily send them to the wrong place 
and also loses cross-platform transfers from the left track to middle track, 
which might result in a missed train if someone (especially with limited 
mobility) had to take the stairs/elevator twice to get from platform A to B.

Also, short trains may stop in different places along the platform--including 
multiple trains stopping there at the same time at peak hours, while others 
take the entire platform.

So, by not marking the stop_position, one loses valuable information and 
disserves users.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Taglists support for rendering examples

[Matthijs Melissen]

On 6 November 2016 at 12:52, Jochen Topf  wrote:
> I have now added support to taginfo for showing an example rendering in
> the taglists on the wiki.

I enabled this functionality now on
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Map_Features/man_made .

We now have TagList templates for the following keys.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Map_Features/natural
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Map_Features/geological
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Map_Features/man_made
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Map_Features/emergency
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Map_Features/office

I could use some help with creating TagList templates for the other
keys. Is anybody interested?

To repeat my message of last time:
| Creating the template page itself is easy. Just create a page name
| Template:Map_Features/XXX where XXX is the key; have a look at one of
| the existing pages for more information.
|
| Now we need to check if the TagList is correct and complete. To do so,
| check if all entries on the old map features page have an entry on the
| TagList page (this should be the case if they have wiki entries).
| Also, check if the definition and photo on the new page is not worse
| than the definition on the old page.
|
| (Note: by convention, definitions typically start with 'a' or 'an',
| and avoid repeating the name of the object itself. For example for
natural=wetland, do not use "the wetland tag is used for natural areas
| subject to inundation or with waterlogged ground" but "a natural area
| subject to inundation or with waterlogged ground".)

The other thing that needs to be done is fixing the svg width/height
parameters in the svg's in openstreetmap-carto (see the other messages
in this thread).

-- Matthijs

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Re: [Talk-es] Nueva portada del Wiki

[Felipe T. Dorado]

Hola Francisco  : )

On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 16:50:24 +0100, Francisco escribió:

FJ> Ya está disponible el wiki nuevo en
FJ> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Spain

Bien!

FJ> Se que no os gusta mucho lo de las Características Cartográficas ya que
FJ> con un simple enlace aparece todo estructurado pero lo he hecho así por
FJ> tres razones, la primera es porque el wiki al principio de hacer la
FJ> estructura estaba un poco pelada de enlaces, la segunda es que no está
FJ> mal como está, el problema es que todo enlaza a la misma página en vez
FJ> de estar dividido en secciones 

En mi opinión está bien que estén ahí, por los recién llegados, pero la
lista debiera ser algo mas corta según la relevancia de los items.

¿Podría alguien mas ducho/experimentado indicar/sugerir el por ej. 50% de
los items que son _mas relevantes al mapa_ y útiles para novatos a fin de
quitar los demás de la plantilla que los muestra?

Gracias.

Felipe  : )

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[Talk-it] talk-it-marche

[Lorenzo Mastrogiacomi]

Vi annuncio che abbiamo la nuova lista per le Marche. Tutti gli
interessati sono invitati ad iscriversi qui:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it-marche


Ciao
Lorenzo
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[OSM-talk-ie] Is mise Seán

[Seán Lynch]

Hi all,

This is my first time posting here. I am probably the most recent person to
join the OSM Foundation as a normal member after meeting Kate Chapman at a
COST event last month and I would like to get more involved.

I am currently engaged in the slow process of trying to standardize a
database of reverse-geocoded requests from a 3rd party provider. I am not
sure how recent their data is but as I update and reorganize the values if
I have anything to offer I would be happy to contribute.

Could someone bring me up to speed please:

- What is the general standard of quality of addresses in Irish cities? Are
many areas of city centers blanked out or lacking in quality? What areas
need and are currently receiving attention?

- Secondly, has the community agreed upon a standardized address format for
Ireland? Is 'county' = 'Cork' or 'Co. Cork' ? ... etc. There seems to be a
lot of common errors which annoying to have to debug and correct. Is there
something being done about this?

- Thirdly, is anyone providing data at the sub-national level for Ireland?
I only discovered http://planet.openstreetmap.ie/ and this is a great
resource- thanks to whoever got this together. May I suggest providing some
trial shp data and an example of where data is lacking or could be improved?

- Finally, I have a more technical question- I am trying to devise a
strategy to capture the results from reverse geocoded requests and
correctly store them in their respective db columns. The count of the
address array and the keys (php) are dynamic. Is there a set of keys for
addresses that someone can recommend? Eg. there is commonly 1 value either
for "suburb" or sometimes the key is "locality" and other times it is
"city_district" and there are probably more keys I need too. Can someone
recommend a strategy? Alternatively I am considering counting the array and
hard coding the values in by index.. thoughts??

Thanks for reading,

Kind regards-
Seán

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Web & App developer in training
M.Sc. Coastal & Marine Environments (NUIG, 2015)
M.Sc. GIS & Remote Sensing (UCC, 2014)
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Re: [Talk-GB] Autumn Quarterly Project

[Dave F]

Thanks Steve
Surprised by that. I thought the Lat/Lon were calculated direct from the 
postcode centroid


On 13/11/2016 18:27, Steve Doerr wrote:

On 13/11/2016 10:49, Dave F wrote:

Could you clarify how the 'distant matches' are calculated? I'm 
confused by a couple of the errors it's thrown up:

http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs/district-270.html

'Sam Wellers', 'Longvernal Primary School' (at the very bottom). 
Their fhrs:ids match. There's no postcode in OSM & the FHRS postcode 
is close to it's true location. Their dashed lines point to the same 
location.


Dave, if you look at the raw data at 
http://ratings.food.gov.uk/OpenDataFiles/FHRS857en-GB.xml, you can see 
that the location for Longvernal Primary School is given as:



-3.04113507270813
51.16165924072270


which is way out. So this is indicative of an error in the FHRS data.




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Re: [Talk-GB] Autumn Quarterly Project

[Steve Doerr]

On 13/11/2016 10:49, Dave F wrote:

Could you clarify how the 'distant matches' are calculated? I'm 
confused by a couple of the errors it's thrown up:

http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs/district-270.html

'Sam Wellers', 'Longvernal Primary School' (at the very bottom). Their 
fhrs:ids match. There's no postcode in OSM & the FHRS postcode is 
close to it's true location. Their dashed lines point to the same 
location.


Dave, if you look at the raw data at 
http://ratings.food.gov.uk/OpenDataFiles/FHRS857en-GB.xml, you can see 
that the location for Longvernal Primary School is given as:



-3.04113507270813
51.16165924072270


which is way out. So this is indicative of an error in the FHRS data.

--
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Re: [Talk-at] Falsche PLZ für Innsbruck

[Friedrich Volkmann]

On 12.11.2016 19:47, Steffen Scholz wrote:

Gibt es bei Openstreetmap nicht so etwas wie Straßen PLZ und Postfach PLZ?


In OSM werden Adressen physischer Objekte (Häuser usw.) gemappt, keine 
Postfächer. Darum gibt es keinen Bedarf für Postfach-Postleitzahlen. 
Beispiel: Wenn die Firma XY ihre Zentrale in der Hauptstraße 123 hat, dann 
kriegt dieses Gebäude in OSM die Adresse Hauptstraße 123, mit der 
zugehörigen PLZ, auch wenn die Post an irgendein Postfach in irgendeinem 
Postamt gehen soll. Es kann aber sein, dass das Postamt selber eine 
spezielle PLZ hat, die wird dann entsprechend aufs Postamt gesetzt.


Mein Proposal für addrN sieht die Möglichkeit vor, als Zweitadresse (oder 
Drittadresse usw.) eine Postfachadresse (addr2:postcode=* + addr2:pob=*) 
anzugeben. Aber davon hat noch niemand Gebrauch gemacht.


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Re: [Talk-it] Donazioni ad OpenStreetMap

[girarsi_liste]

Il 13/11/2016 16:56, Aury88 ha scritto:
> non sono segnalati in maniera particolare...li distingui dal nome o dal
> messaggio o dall'entità della donazione.

per modo di dire, alcuni sì, altri non si sà.

A parte questo sai dov'è lo storico?




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[Talk-ca] Steve Coast meetup

[James]

Hi everyone. If you are in this list I'm assuming you love everything
OpenStreetMap. Well you're in for a treat! OSM founder and creator, Steve
Coast, will be in the Ottawa/Gatineau area in November.

We are currently organizing a meetup with him on November 17th. A a quick
overview of how the evening is going to proceed:

Schedule

7h00: People showing up

7h00 - 7h30: Social interaction (getting food & drinks)

7h30: Introduction of guest speaker

7h30 - 8h30: Steve Coast - Talks about OpenStreetMap

8h30 - 9h00: Audience questions for Steve Coast

9h00 - 9h30: Community announcements (5 min max per topic) (Sign up with
hosts)

9h30 - 11h00: Socialize & more drinks!

If you want to participate you are more than welcome and even encouraged
to, you can rsvp via this url:

https://www.meetup.com//openstreetmap-ottawa/events/235163829/?showDescription=true

Steve is also visiting Calgary, AB the 15th of November during the MapTime
meetup. Information is available here:
https://www.meetup.com/MaptimeCalgary/events/235432900/

Can't wait to see you!



Salut tout le monde. Si vous êtes sur cette liste, c'est probablement parce
que vous aimez OpenStreetMap. J'ai donc une traite pour vous! Le fondateur
et créateur de OpenStreetMap, Steve Coast, sera dans la région
d'Ottawa/Gatineau en Novembre.

Nous organisons une rencontre avec lui le 17 novembre. Un survol rapide de
la soirée:

Plan

19h00: Arrivée des gens

19h00 - 19h30: Intéractions sociaux (prendre de la bouffe & boisson)

19h30: Introduction de l'invité

19h30 - 20h30: Steve Coast - Parle de OpenStreetMap

20h30 - 21h00: Questions de l'audience

21h00 - 21h30: Annonces communautaires (5 min max par sujet) (S'enregistrer
avec les organisateurs)

21h30 - 23h00: Socialiser & plus de boisson!

Si vous désirez participer vous êtes plus que le bienvenue et vous pouvez
rsvp via l'url suivant:

https://www.meetup.com//openstreetmap-ottawa/events/235163829/?showDescription=true

Steve visite aussi Calgary, AB le 17 novembre durant le meetup MapTime.
Informations disponibles ici:
https://www.meetup.com/MaptimeCalgary/events/235432900/

Au plaisir de vous voir!
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[Talk-lt] Reikia skubios pagalbos map'inant Tanzaniją, kur prasidėjo FGM sezonas

[Egle Marija Ramanauskaite]

Sveiki,

jei turite laiko, kviečiu prisidėti SKUBIAI map'inant Tanzanijos Maros
regioną. Skubėjome sužemėlapiuoti regioną iki gruodžio, kuomet tradiciškai
prasideda "tradicinis" female genital mutilation (FMG) sezonas, bet gavome
žinią, kad jis jau prasidėjo.

Mūsų projektas - Crowd2Map Tanzania , kurį vykdau aš
ir kolegos Londone. Naudojamės HOT tasking manageriu, svarbiausia dabar
užbaigti task #1788 , ypač aplink
kaimus, kuriuose jau užfiksuoti FGM atvejai (jie sužymėti čia
).
Vėliau pereisime prie task #2261 .

Dirbame tiesiogiai su FGM prevention vykdančiais darbuotojais Tanzanijoje,
žemėlapiai jiems būtini norint surasti atokesnius kaimus ir tuos, kuriuose
jau užfiksuoti atvejai, prie jų privažiuoti, suplanuoti kuro sąnaudas (nes
resursai kuklūs), bei išdalinti atspausdintus žemėlapius iš namų
pasiruošusioms bėgti mergaitėms.

Svarbiausia sumap'inti residential areas ir kelius (instrukcijose yra ir
individualūs namai, bet jie dabar ne tiek svarbūs).

Daugiau informacijos apie mūsų savanorišką projektą crowd2map.org, Facebook
,
Twitter . Čia 
video apie tai, kaip Mugumu Safe House padeda žemėlapiai, o čia
informatyvus komiksas  apie FGM.
Platinkite, jei tik galite!

Širdingas AČIŪ!
Eglė


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Citizen Science Coordinator & PIO at Human Computation Institute

Writer at Technology.Org
 and
Technologijos.lt 
Master of *Molecular & Cellular Biology* and *Education Science*

  

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Re: [Talk-es] Nueva portada del Wiki

[Francisco Javier]

Se me olvidaba. También he movido la página de discusión, ahora la tenéis
en: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:WikiProject_Spain

Había cosas antiguas de otros usuarios y las he conservado aunque queda
todo muy revuelto, no sé si se podría borrar.

El 13 de noviembre de 2016, 16:50, Francisco Javier 
escribió:

> Buenas de nuevo.
>
> Ya está disponible el wiki nuevo en https://wiki.openstreetmap.
> org/wiki/WikiProject_Spain
>
> He seguido todos vuestros consejos y ya está todo o casi todo añadido al
> wiki.
>
> Se que no os gusta mucho lo de las Características Cartográficas ya que
> con un simple enlace aparece todo estructurado pero lo he hecho así por
> tres razones, la primera es porque el wiki al principio de hacer la
> estructura estaba un poco pelada de enlaces, la segunda es que no está mal
> como está, el problema es que todo enlaza a la misma página en vez de estar
> dividido en secciones y la tercera, la que más peso tiene de toda, es que
> si quito todos los enlaces la página se "descuadra". He intentado
> arreglarlo pero el wiki tiene su propio código que se puede mezclar con
> HTML y CSS pero actualmente no lo controlo mucho y no puedo dedicarle todo
> el tiempo que me gustaría. Sí alguien quiere echarle un vistazo y mejorar
> el código, adelante. Yo en cuanto tenga tiempo intentaré arreglarlo.
>
> Sobre poner imágenes de alguna Party u el mapa de España como veáis. Si
> veo o tenéis alguna imagen chula la pongo (Veo que un tal Verdy P lo ha
> cambiado y ha puesto el pegote ese que estaba antes con la nueva página).
>
> Un saludo.
>
> 2016-11-10 12:50 GMT+01:00 Felipe T. Dorado :
>
>> Hola Francisco  : )
>>
>> On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 14:35:00 +0100, Francisco escribió:
>>
>> FJ> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Prueba
>> FJ>
>> FJ> Cualquier sugerencia es bienvenida.
>>
>> Usar la página de Discusión [1] para agrupar las sugerencias.
>>
>> Ya está subido el logo en svg+xml que Miguel subió, está en Discusión.
>>
>> Felipe  : )
>>
>> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Prueba
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Nom des arrêts de bus

[Philippe Verdy]

La conversion en majuscule n'est qu'une affaire de rendu dans
l'application. Je ne vois pas du tout l'intérêt de stocker les noms en
majuscules.
D'autant plus qu'effectivement cela peut changer entre ce qu'i est affiché
sur une arrêt, ce qui est affiché par le panneau d'annonce de ligne dans
les bus, sur les plans dans les bus ou dans les panneaux d'information sur
les horaires ou sur les fiches horaires.
C'est en fait la même chose sur diverses cartes pour les noms de villes,
les rues, les POIs... : certaines affichent des libellés en capitales
uniquement d'autres préfèrent des minuscules. Bref c'est au rendu de
choisir son style.

Le 13 novembre 2016 à 13:34,  a écrit :

> +1
>
> Je comprends le problème de la graphie pour les personnes n'utilisant pas
> les caractères latins mais si on va dans ce sens il faut tout écrire en
> globiche ;-). Et hormis MONT SAINT-MICHEL, que cherche un Chinois à Rennes
> ? :-D. (*)
> Il est d'ailleurs possible que sur la fiche horaire figure Mont
> Saint-Michel.
>
> rien n'empêche de mettre le nom tout en majuscules dans un alt_name par
> exemple.
>
> De plus les noms des arrêts sont souvent mal orthographiés (accents
> manquants). Les règles d'Osmose sont de bon sens.
>
> On peut passer des minuscules accentuées aux majuscules non accentuées,
> par contre l'inverse est douteux.
> Je me rappelle d'un ami choqué par la réaction d'un autre : "merci pour ce
> communique indigne". Il avait pensé que l'autre avait trouvé
> particulièrement mauvais (indigne) en fait pas du tout, il l'avait vraiment
> remercié de ce communiqué indigné. J'avais rassuré le premier: la
> messagerie du second mangeait les accents.
>
> Si la personne demande l'arrêt "Place Jaffre" et non "Place Jaffré', ce
> n'est pas évident car la place s'appelle Jaffré même si sur l'arrêt est
> écrit PLACE JAFFRE.
>
> Jean-Yvon
>
> (*) expérience vécue
>
> Le 13/11/2016 à 11:16, lenny.libre - lenny.li...@orange.fr a écrit :
>
> Bonjour,
>
> Je suis d'accord pour utiliser le nom de l'arrêt s'il est différent de
> celui des autres sources (c'est ce que j'essaie de faire) ; mais en
> appliquant les règles d'usage pour les nom en français dans osm : par
> exemple - le trait d'union dans 'Saint-' - les abréviations
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Key:name#Abr.C3.
> A9viations_.28ce_qu.27il_ne_faut_pas_faire.29 - ne pas mettre tout en
> majuscules 
> il me semble que le name de l'arrêt doit avoir le même traitement que les
> name des autres objets.
>
> En parlant de 'modifications type Osmose' on donne l'impression que c'est
> Osmose qui a choisi ces modification ; en fait Osmose applique les règles
> d'usage définis, puis, c'est au contributeur de voir si la proposition
> d'osmose est correcte.
>
> cordialement
>
> léni
>
> Le 12/11/2016 à 19:12, mga_geo a écrit :
>
> Bonsoir,
>
> Je suis pour utiliser le nom à l'arrêt, surtout que nous avons la chance
> sur
> Rennes que ce nom est aussi celui qui figure sur les plans, horaires et
> affichages dans le bus.
> Les modifications type Osmose perturbent les étrangers, surtout ceux
> habitués à une autre écriture (arabe, du chinois ...)
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-in] GeoHYD Nov 7th, 7-8.30 p.m

[srinivas kodali]

Just a show of hands, if people in Hyderabad want a mapping party to start
translating nodes into telugu this Saturday? Because its a party, hoping to
have a post lunch party with some donation money received by a friend at
EFF.

yup demonetization is helping gets some donations for open source :)

Srinivas Kodali
www.lostprogrammer.com

On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 4:45 PM, srinivas kodali 
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> We are kickstarting GeoHYD this week. Srikanth Lakshmanan will be speaking
> about his Indic Maps work followed by a discussion on the future of the
> openstreetmap community and a brief discussion on savethemap. There will be
> friends from other internet communities at the meetup due to the ongoing
> ICANN public meeting in Hyderabad.
>
> If you are in Hyderabad please do attend. The venue is Sweccha office in
> Gachibowli. The location and complete address is on the website
> http://www.geohyd.in/
>
>
> Regards,
> Srinivas Kodali
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Re: [Talk-it] Taginfo Italiano, ci son problemi?

[girarsi_liste]

Il 13/11/2016 14:18, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto:
> 
> si, non funziona:
> https://www.mail-archive.com/talk-it@openstreetmap.org/msg53110.html
> 
> ciao,
> Martin 

me ne ero completamente dimenticato.

Speriamo che in ambito wmflab si riesca a fare qualcosa.



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Re: [Talk-it] Taginfo Italiano, ci son problemi?

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Il giorno 13 nov 2016, alle ore 12:26, girarsi_liste 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> Ho provato a connettermi adesso al seguente indirizzo:
> 
> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.it/
> 
> Però non mi si connette, vi risultano problemi?
> 
> 
> Cercavo tag/idee per una postazione di mitragiatrice della prima guerra,
> per cui vedo sull'altro taginfo.org.


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[Talk-at] Hof- und Klarnamen in Reisach

[nebulon42]

Hallo,

ein Benutzer hat mit viel Recherchearbeit Haus- und Hofnamen in Reisach
in Kärnten erfasst. Ich finde diese Initiative sehr gut, da ich selbst
auch immer wieder Hofnamen erfasse.

Mir sind dabei einige Punkte aufgefallen, die wir auch schon gemeinsam
freundlich und konstruktiv diskutiert haben. Aber da ich der Meinung
bin, dass Änderungen notwendig sind, und ich aber nicht eine ganze
Ortschaft eigenmächtig ändern möchte, wollte ich hier um Meinungen
bitten. Ich habe auch den Benutzer auf die Mailingliste verwiesen und
eingeladen sich an der Diskussion hier zu beteiligen, damit er auch
seinen Standpunkt vertreten kann.

Eine Korrektur habe ich schon durchgeführt. addr:housenumber wurde für
Straße und Hausnummer verwendet.

Die Haus- und Hofnamen wurden mit name="Vulgo xyz" erfasst (Beispiel:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/403817706). Ich bin der Meinung, dass
dies mittels addr:housename und ohne Vulgo erfasst werden sollte. Über
die Korrektheit von addr:housename gibt es auch abweichende Meinungen,
aber soweit ich das gesehen habe, ist das zumindest in Österreich
gelebte Praxis, das so zu machen. Ich mache das auch selbst so, da ich
mit den Alternativen nicht zufrieden bin.

Als Argument des Benutzers für Vulgo wurde ein Beispiel mit Vulgo
XY-Bauer und Haus Renate angeführt. Ich würde das als
addr:housename="XY-Bauer" name="Haus Renate" evtl. tourism="guest_house"
etc. taggen.

Etwas problematischer ist die Verwendung von old_name (Beispiel:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/403609517). Hier wurde die Historie
der Vulgar und Familiennamen eingetragen. Ich bin der Meinung, dass
diese Daten zwar sehr wertvoll sind, aber eigentlich nicht in
OpenStreetMap gehören, sondern eher in eine externe Datenbank, die dann
mit dem Haus-Objekt in OSM kombiniert wird. Das ist natürlich
komplizierter. old_name ist eigentlich nicht für komplexe Zusammenhänge
konzipiert. Hier tauchen dann das erste Mal Klarnamen auf, die aber
immerhin nicht mehr aktuell zu sein scheinen.

Das Problematischste ist für mich die Verwendung von operator mit
Klarnamen bei Privathäusern (Beispiel:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/404378085). Das hat in OSM meiner
Meinung nach nichts verloren. Der Benutzer hat argumentiert keine Daten
verwendet zu haben, die nicht sowieso anderweitig öffentlich zugänglich
waren und die Familiennamen in der Kommunikation mit Einheimischen zu
benötigen. Ich glaube das alles gerne, allerdings macht die Verknüpfung
mit dem Haus das Ganze in einer öffentlichen Datenbank sehr brisant.

Die Meinung der DWG scheint ähnlich zu sein, wie
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/1041 zeigt. Woodpeck: "it
appears that you might be adding the names of people or families to
houses - if this is true, please don't and respect the privacy of
residents. This map can be seen by everyone on the planet."

Ich bitte also um konstruktive Meinungen. Ich würde derzeit folgendes
ändern:

* Änderung von name="Vulgo xyz" in addr:housename="xyz"
* Bei old_name bin ich mir unschlüssig, würde es aber eher entfernen
bzw. in note umwandeln. Bei den Klarnamen in old_name bin ich mir nicht
sicher.
* operator="xyz" mit Klarnamen löschen

Michael



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[Talk-it] Taginfo Italiano, ci son problemi?

[girarsi_liste]

Ho provato a connettermi adesso al seguente indirizzo:

http://taginfo.openstreetmap.it/

Però non mi si connette, vi risultano problemi?


Cercavo tag/idee per una postazione di mitragiatrice della prima guerra,
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Re: [Talk-GB] Autumn Quarterly Project

[Dave F]

Greg

Thanks for the updates. They look like they will be useful.

Could you clarify how the 'distant matches' are calculated? I'm confused 
by a couple of the errors it's thrown up:

http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs/district-270.html

'Sam Wellers', 'Longvernal Primary School' (at the very bottom). Their 
fhrs:ids match. There's no postcode in OSM & the FHRS postcode is close 
to it's true location. Their dashed lines point to the same location.


There's a third establishment at that location. 
(http://ratings.food.gov.uk/business/en-GB/205481/) but it appears to 
have a redundant postcode in FHRS.


Thanks
DaveF.


On 13/11/2016 09:10, Greg wrote:

Dear all,

The FHRS/OSM comparison tool 
 has some new features 
which should help with the Autumn Quarterly Project 
.


*Distant matches*

There is now a table at the bottom of each district page listing those 
FHRS matches for which the OSM and FHRS positions are > 500m apart. 
For these matches, the overview map also has a dotted line showing the 
difference in positions. N.B. OSM positions are usually more accurate 
as FHRS positions seem to be reverse-geocoded from postcodes. These 
distant matches may therefore indicate a problem with the FHRS data 
rather than OSM data, but are worth checking.


*Duplicate fhrs:ids*

There is also a table at the bottom of each district page listing all 
of the OSM entities which have an fhrs:id tag that is shared with at 
least one of the OSM entities in this district. This can indicate an 
error, although sometimes FHRS IDs do correspond to more than one OSM 
entity.


The suggested matches map no longer suggests matches using FHRS IDs 
that have already been assigned to an OSM entity. (Thanks to spindr 
for spotting this one.)


*Updating OSM data*

The update script now runs a bit later in the morning (after the 
Geofabrik OSM extract becomes available) and thanks to some 
optimisations, takes much less time to complete. The lag between 
updating OSM and seeing your updates appear in the comparison tool 
should therefore have reduced a bit, although not disappeared completely!


I hope you continue to enjoy using the comparison tool. As ever, 
please report any bugs or feature requests on GitHub 
.


Thanks,
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Re: [Talk-it] Donazioni ad OpenStreetMap

[girarsi_liste]

Ad essere sincero, non capisco dal link [0], come si distingue
un'azienda da un privato, poi, non trovo più la pagina tra differenti
tipi di donatori, come riferimento di partenza parto dalla wiki [1], per
cui alla fine vedo solo le cifre che fondamentalmente si aggirano
intorno ai 10, 20, 30, 100€ o altro tipo di valuta, tutti individuali.

i conseguenza ammetto di non sapere bene come distinguere il numero
delle donazioni precedenti su base di aziende/investitori, fatto salvo
Mapbox che è dichiarato fin da subito.


[0] https://donate.openstreetmap.org/

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Donations
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Nom des arrêts de bus

[lenny.libre]

Bonjour,

Je suis d'accord pour utiliser le nom de l'arrêt s'il est différent de 
celui des autres sources (c'est ce que j'essaie de faire) ; mais en 
appliquant les règles d'usage pour les nom en français dans osm : par 
exemple - le trait d'union dans 'Saint-' - les abréviations 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Key:name#Abr.C3.A9viations_.28ce_qu.27il_ne_faut_pas_faire.29 
- ne pas mettre tout en majuscules 
il me semble que le name de l'arrêt doit avoir le même traitement que 
les name des autres objets.


En parlant de 'modifications type Osmose' on donne l'impression que 
c'est Osmose qui a choisi ces modification ; en fait Osmose applique les 
règles d'usage définis, puis, c'est au contributeur de voir si la 
proposition d'osmose est correcte.


cordialement

léni

Le 12/11/2016 à 19:12, mga_geo a écrit :

Bonsoir,

Je suis pour utiliser le nom à l'arrêt, surtout que nous avons la chance sur
Rennes que ce nom est aussi celui qui figure sur les plans, horaires et
affichages dans le bus.
Les modifications type Osmose perturbent les étrangers, surtout ceux
habitués à une autre écriture (arabe, du chinois ...)



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Re: [Talk-at] Falsche PLZ für Innsbruck

[Norbert Wenzel]

On 11/12/2016 07:47 PM, Steffen Scholz wrote:
> Gibt es bei Openstreetmap nicht so etwas wie Straßen PLZ und Postfach PLZ?

Mir ist kein Tag bekannt, dass zwischen Straßen bzw. Gebieten und
Postfächern unterscheidet. Man kann, wenn man die Daten hat, eben
Gebiete einer bestimmten Postleitzahl taggen, oder man nimmt die
Redundanz in Kauf und taggt an jedes einzelne Objekt, dass mit einer
Adresse erfasst ist auch immer die PLZ dran. Dann ist es zumindest am
Objekt erfasst.
D.h. wenn dann jemand nach bspw. einer Behörde sucht in Nominatim,
sollte die Behörde mit der direkt am Objekt angefügten Adresse gefunden
werden. Die kann dann auch eine Postfach bzw. andere SpezialPLZ enthalten.

Was Nominatim allerdings macht, wenn das Objekt ohne explizite
Postleitzahl eingetragen ist, steht auf einem anderen Blatt. Da müsste
ich raten (so wie Nominatim an der Stelle auch raten muss) und dabei
kann es dann sein, dass falsche Postleitzahlen angezeigt werden.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Autumn Quarterly Project

[Greg]

Dear all,

The FHRS/OSM comparison tool > has some new features which should 
help with the Autumn Quarterly Project 
>.

*Distant matches*

There is now a table at the bottom of each district page listing those FHRS 
matches for which the OSM and FHRS positions are > 500m apart. For these 
matches, the overview map also has a dotted line showing the difference in 
positions. N.B. OSM positions are usually more accurate as FHRS positions seem 
to be reverse-geocoded from postcodes. These distant matches may therefore 
indicate a problem with the FHRS data rather than OSM data, but are worth 
checking.

*Duplicate fhrs:ids*

There is also a table at the bottom of each district page listing all of the 
OSM entities which have an fhrs:id tag that is shared with at least one of the 
OSM entities in this district. This can indicate an error, although sometimes 
FHRS IDs do correspond to more than one OSM entity.

The suggested matches map no longer suggests matches using FHRS IDs that have 
already been assigned to an OSM entity. (Thanks to spindr for spotting this 
one.)

*Updating OSM data*

The update script now runs a bit later in the morning (after the Geofabrik OSM 
extract becomes available) and thanks to some optimisations, takes much less 
time to complete. The lag between updating OSM and seeing your updates appear 
in the comparison tool should therefore have reduced a bit, although not 
disappeared completely!

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Re: [Talk-it] Donazioni ad OpenStreetMap

[Aury88]

girarsi_liste wrote
> A naso direi che la maggior parte delle donazioni sono degli stessi
> volontari che vivono il progetto, direttamente o no.

Concordo...almeno quest'anno è così vista la mancanza di donazioni dalle
ditte

> Le donazioni di aziende, non sono molte è vero, ma è fisiologico, così
> come per molti mappatori, l'andazzo economico influisce non poco, quindi
> considerando il tutto direi che non è andata male.

 il confronto è rispetto all'anno scorso in cui la situazione economica era
uguale se non addiritura peggiore. è un fattore questo che quindi ha
influenzato anche la precedente donazione...le aziende è un altro
discorso...quindi uelle che usano OSM stanno andando male ?

> Poi forse dirò una cavolata, perchè vado ad intuito, ma quest'anno è
> stato chiesto qualcosa di più degli anni scorsi? perchè se così è, forse
> si è andati oltre le aspettative per quanto riguarda la richiesta,
> seppur ragionevole.

 si, è stato chiesto di più ma mi sembra meno di quanto raggiunto l'anno
scorso.

> Aggiunta a quanto detto da Luca, riguarda le pubbliche amministrazioni,
> che a dirla fuori dai denti, usano pensando al gratis più di certe
> aziende private, e di conseguenza qualcosina manca anche da quelle parti
> (lasciamo perdere l'attribuzion).
> 
> Tieni conto che molti progetti derivati da OSM, a loro volta chiedono la
> stessa cosa, devono vivere anche loro seppur con cifre differenti, ma
> penso, mia idea, qualcosa viene tolto anche in questa maniera.

 sono fattori presenti anche gli anni precedenti e che quindi imho non
possono aver determinato il calo per quanto siano comunque influenti sul
numero di donazioni (ma lo sono state anche l'anno scorso)


> Molto incide il tipo di campagna pubblicitaria e quando viene fatta,
> oltrechè quanto succede per il mondo, per esempio, chiedere in mezzo a
> "raccolta fondi per tumori", raccolta fondi per Caritas", ecc.,
> sicuramente, in questo faccio testo pure io, molti dicono "uffa!" (al
> posto di uffa metterci altri epiteti).

 la campagna quest'anno credo sia la stessa degli anni precedenti e
grossomodo fatta nello stesso periodo...imho non credo abbia influenzato il
calo


> Purtroppo non è un buon momento per nessuno, questo messo insieme a
> scarse competenze digitali, scarsa visione sul lungo termine (ovvio
> parlo del nostro suolo nazionale), e "concorrenza" di aziende di un
> certo spessore, direi a mio modo di vedere, che è andata bene a parte
> tutto.

 1€ si riesce a trovarlo nella maggior parte dei casi...per carità c'è
sicuramente chi si trova in una condizione tale da non avere proprio
materialmente i soldi da donare, ma non credo che questo sia un problema di
quest'anno, o meglio è un problema che per molti c'era anche gli anni
precedenti, per altri è meno gravoso quest'anno per altri ancora lo è di
più...ma l'economia in generale non mi sembra abbia visto andamenti
particolarmente negativi, tutt'altro...semmai il problema è che siamo
rimasti gli stessi (intendo come numero di utenti affezionati) o poco più
rispetto l'anno scorso e quindi le donazioni dagli utenti non sono
aumentate.
 La concorrenza dell'azienda l'avevamo anche gli anni precedenti...su questo
fronte cosa è cambiato? 






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Re: [Talk-it] Donazioni ad OpenStreetMap

[Aury88]

Luca Delucchi wrote
> Il 12/nov/2016 12:57, "Aury88" 

> spacedriver88@

>  ha scritto:
>>
>> ciao,
> 
> 
> Scusa come fai a dire che OSM vada male solo da un risultato non troppo
> positivo di un call for donation?
> 
> Io vedo altre motivazioni più plausibili:
> 
> - non tutti gli utenti possono permettersi di donare tutti gli anni
> - bisognerebbe chiedersi perchè poche ditte contribuiscano economicamente
> ad OSM
> 
> - perché la gente non dona 1€ se tutti donassimo anche piccole cifre
> saremmo a posto (chi guadagna soldi con OSM dovrebbe donare molto più che
> un semplice contributore)

ciao luca,
Il fatto che non tutti gli utenti possano non potersi permettere di donare
ogni anno è vero ma era vero anche gli anni precedenti  e quindi,  a meno di
una situazione economica in rapido deterioramento, avrebbe dovuto
influenzare quest'anno come i precedenti.
Per quanto riguarda il donare anche piccole cifre è proprio questo che mi
sorprende...è proprio questo che mi spinge a dire che non siano aumentati
gli utenti integrati nella comunità o affezionati al progetto  visto che
queste persone comunque il denaro per una piccola donazione riescono
solitamente a trovarlo. Visto che gli utenti affezionati ed integrati nel
progetto sono coloro che alla fine materialmente lo portano avanti (creando
codice o applicazioni per osm, o mappando il grosso, o organizzando mapping
party...cioè gli utenti "attivi" )  il fatto che il numero di donazioni non
cresce imho è indice che il numero di questi utenti, fondamentali per il
progetto, non stia aumentando...non so se è chiaro il mio ragionameno (lo
so, un po' contorto)


> - i local chapter hanno contribuito?
> - non mi sembra ci siano state grandi donazioni da ditte (gli anni
> precedenti mapbox donava qualcosa come 20k)

Due ottime domande e l'ultima potrebbe essere la reale motivazione dietro
questo calo delle donazioni...ma anche qua, forse c'è meno fiducia nel
progetto o non lo si vede più come fondamentale dalle ditte o forse le ditte
stanno andando male...ma perchè?
Per le local chapter anche li forse si è deciso di finanziare altri progetti 
perchè ritenuti più bisognosi oppure più importanti.
In generale è questo "calo di attenzione" verso osm che mi preoccupa...
Per carità, non stiamo parlando di una condanna a morte, ma con quei soldi
teoricamente si dovrebbe comprare l'HW e la banda per fornire il
servizio;senza questi non possiamo crescere e in caso di guasti (come è già
successo) c'è addirittura il rischio che non si possano effettuare le
riparazioni.

Mi scuso per la frase in cui dico che osm stia andando male...mi è uscita
malissimo. Intendevo che sotto l'aspetto comunità OSM non mi sembra stia
aumentando il numero di utenti integrati ed affezionati al progetto, con
tutto ciò che questo comporta per il progetto...tutto qui.



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