Re: [talk-au] Errors in rendering names of administrative boundaries

[Jason Ward]

Hi cleary,

OpenStreetMap carto would be the best place for checking whether this is a
known issue and loving it if it isn't.

https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto

On Mon, 25 Jul 2016, 5:15 PM cleary  wrote:

>
> I have noticed errors in rendering names of administrative boundaries on
> the OSM website map.  It is not just Australian boundaries. For example
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/48.99957/-110.00728shows Canada
> and United States on the reverse sides of their shared boundary.
>
> I had presumed it was a short-term problem and that someone, with more
> knowledge than me,  would fix it but these errors have been there for a
> couple of weeks.
>
> Does anyone know if the problem is being addressed or who can be
> contacted about it?
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[talk-au] FSDF Themes & Datasets

[Jason Ward]

Was at ceBIT this week and Helen Owens, the head of the Public Data Branch
within the PM portfolio presented on the planned, more "open",  release
of the remaining 9 themes within the Foundation Spatial Data Framework
(FSDF).

Earlier this year the National Addresses and Administrative boundaries
(G-NAF)) [1] were released with some unresolved CC-BY4.0 Use Restrictions
still outstanding (I'll pick that thread up in a separate email).  The
ANZLIC agency [2] will be releasing these further datasets over the coming
months/years moving forward with separate upstream licences likely
restricting osm usage somewhat.

Just a heads up though that these are being prepared under a single
"public, not open, data" branch of government so hopefully some
applications across themes may be applied into osm with appropriate checks
and balances etc.

[1] -
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2015-December/010721.html
[2] - http://www.anzlic.gov.au/fsdf-themes-datasets
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Re: [talk-au] Translink Bus Stops - South East Queensland

[Jason Ward]

Hi guys,

We have permission.  If there are able resources with the know-how then a
page for a State-wide import already exists.  Its current status is that it
hasn't been presented to the @imports list yet but it is quite close (If
you're importing en-masse then it needs to go through this process).
Please review the page below [1] and if this is something you are able to
continue with then I suggest following on from there.

I no longer contribute to the project other than being on this list now so
you're free to chop, change or start again but explicit permission has been
granted for this dataset [2].  If you need access to the Github repository
which is where the raw, transformed and osm files are kept [3] then ping me
on that platform and I'll provide full access (or you can just fork/branch
it).

[1] -
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/Queensland_GTFS_Data
[2] -
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/qld.data.gov.au_explicit_permission
[3] - https://github.com/systemtester/QLD-GTFS-Data-Imports


On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 at 10:22 FlashKiwi  wrote:

> I will follow up with translink and confirm licencing.
>
> G.
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Re: [talk-au] Translink Bus Stops - South East Queensland

[Jason Ward]

Hi David,

Imports are tough but I'd still be adding bus stops as you have been.  If
or when the import occurs it would deal with existing stops in a logical
way so the work individuals have done will not be wasted.  It would in fact
be treated with a higher level of trust in the context of the TMR provided
dataset so there is continued value in adding and updating bus stops.

On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 at 13:17 David Findlay <davidjwfind...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I think for now preparing the import is beyond me. I guess for now don't
> bother adding or updating bus stops? Thanks,
>
> David
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:03 PM Jason Ward <jasonjwa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> We have permission.  If there are able resources with the know-how then a
>> page for a State-wide import already exists.  Its current status is that it
>> hasn't been presented to the @imports list yet but it is quite close (If
>> you're importing en-masse then it needs to go through this process).
>> Please review the page below [1] and if this is something you are able to
>> continue with then I suggest following on from there.
>>
>> I no longer contribute to the project other than being on this list now
>> so you're free to chop, change or start again but explicit permission has
>> been granted for this dataset [2].  If you need access to the Github
>> repository which is where the raw, transformed and osm files are kept [3]
>> then ping me on that platform and I'll provide full access (or you can just
>> fork/branch it).
>>
>> [1] -
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/Queensland_GTFS_Data
>> [2] -
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/qld.data.gov.au_explicit_permission
>> [3] - https://github.com/systemtester/QLD-GTFS-Data-Imports
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 at 10:22 FlashKiwi <kabul_or_b...@yahoo.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>>> I will follow up with translink and confirm licencing.
>>>
>>> G.
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Re: [talk-au] GNAF (address) data to be released under open license

[Jason Ward]

Hi Simon,

Could you note the clause for clarity please? My guess would be 3a4 of [1]
as I'm not across the meaning of that when applied to the downstream osm
licence.  I've read the links below and on a first pass it appears to be
quite a broad licence to use (Specifically 2a 1B & 2a 1B) of [1] so am
curious to know where the barrier lies.

[1] -
https://www.dpmc.gov.au/sites/default/files/files/EULA_open_G-NAF_administrative_boundaries.pdf

[2] -
https://www.dpmc.gov.au/pmc/about-pmc/core-priorities/public-data-branch-within-dpmc/geocoded-national-address-data-be-made-openly-available


Thanks!

On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 at 20:53 Simon Poole  wrote:

>
> I just had a quick look at the licence terms. While the license is based
> on CC by 4.0 (which is own can of worms) it unluckily contains a provision
> prohibiting specific use that makes the data clearly (as in we will never,
> in no circumstances be able to adhere to the terms) unusable for OSM and
> further means it does not meet the definition here
> http://opendefinition.org/od/1.0/en/.
>
> Sorry
>
>
> Simon
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Re: [talk-au] GNAF (address) data to be released under open license

[Jason Ward]

Understood.  For clarity that restriction means the Rights granted in odbl
Clause 3.1 [1] are not possible with this data.

I can understand the restriction so I wonder if there is any scope for this
to be removed.

I do wonder though, when does Licenced Data become Adapted Material?  I ask
as the restriction applies to Licenced Data only.  Probably a question for
the Commonwealth solicitors that wrote the EULA.

[1] - http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/1.0/


On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 at 21:39 Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch> wrote:

> 2a2
>
>
> Am 30.12.2015 um 12:32 schrieb Jason Ward:
>
> Hi Simon,
>
> Could you note the clause for clarity please? My guess would be 3a4 of [1]
> as I'm not across the meaning of that when applied to the downstream osm
> licence.  I've read the links below and on a first pass it appears to be
> quite a broad licence to use (Specifically 2a 1B & 2a 1B) of [1] so am
> curious to know where the barrier lies.
>
> [1] -
> https://www.dpmc.gov.au/sites/default/files/files/EULA_open_G-NAF_administrative_boundaries.pdf
>
> [2] -
> https://www.dpmc.gov.au/pmc/about-pmc/core-priorities/public-data-branch-within-dpmc/geocoded-national-address-data-be-made-openly-available
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 at 20:53 Simon Poole < <si...@poole.ch>si...@poole.ch>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I just had a quick look at the licence terms. While the license is based
>> on CC by 4.0 (which is own can of worms) it unluckily contains a provision
>> prohibiting specific use that makes the data clearly (as in we will never,
>> in no circumstances be able to adhere to the terms) unusable for OSM and
>> further means it does not meet the definition here
>> http://opendefinition.org/od/1.0/en/.
>>
>> Sorry
>>
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [talk-au] OSM people in ACT

[Jason Ward]

Hi Kristy,

Not a large userbase in the ACT and not all of them may subscribe to this
list.  To help you in your search the following link may prove useful
(Suggest unticking Black, Red and Orange users in the top left corner for a
closer measure of 'active' contributors)

http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc?zoom=11lat=-35.29175lon=149.17885layers=B00FTT

While I don't represent the contributors in ACT it would be great if (the
whole of) government was able to provide or make accessible data with
suitable licence clearances for use in OSM.  Despite that and noting the
small contributor count in the region maybe more 'useful' would be the
application of resources to help with the contribution of data OR some sort
of government advocacy/community growth initiative with the long game being
to build the local contributor base.

To adapt a recent phrase from another list, OSM is a collection of
on-the-ground observations and while there is a place for supply of
government information, and notwithstanding your Indonesian HOT experience,
your time would be well spent looking at some of the imports carried out in
other parts of the world (some good, others less so), as well as
subscribing to the @imports list (if you haven't done so) for a view into
the workings OSM members apply to externally supplied information.


Cheers,

Jason
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On 5 May 2015 at 16:11, Kristy Van Putten kristy.vanput...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi All,
 I am searching for active OSM contributors in ACT, if you are one please
 email me or contact me via my mobile.  I am interested to get your thoughts
 on the current state of OSM in ACT and if there is any aspect the
 government can assist in.
 Cheers

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Re: [talk-au] street addressing city or suburb?

[Jason Ward]

I've always used addr:suburb=coorparoo and in my early work (that I am
still to correct/remove) addr:city=Brisbane.  Something about nominatum
having the geo context to know which city said suburb exists within.  The
city node over City Hall being that get context.

On Tuesday, 14 October 2014, David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote:


 As far as routing engines go, my guess is City=Town=Suburb, they would
 dump them all into one box and sort.

 But I confess I don't see them as interchangeable in other contexts.
 Difficult question Nicholas !

 David


 On Mon, 2014-10-13 at 23:54 +, Nicholas G Lawrence wrote:
  When I use the in-browser editor iD, and create a building outline to
 tag, it offers up addr:city as a tag, but not addr:suburb
 
  Of course, I can add a new tag addr:suburb easily enough, but it is a
 couple more steps.
 
  So the path of least resistance is to populate the tag addr:city and
 leave blank addr:suburb
 
  Personally, I am leaning towards addr:city = Coorparoo as it fits the
 convention of addressing letters as you point out.
 
  But I'd like to adhere to the established convention in Australia.
 
  Cheers,
  Nick
 
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  Sent: Tuesday, 14 October 2014 9:21 AM
  To: Nicholas G Lawrence
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  Subject: Re: [talk-au] street addressing city or suburb?
 
 
  Nicholas, generally, when addressing an envelope for example, we'd say -
 
  somestreet,
  Coorparoo,
  Queensland, postcode
 
  We'd reserve the use of Brisbane to an address in the CBD itself. Or
 so I think...
 
  Apply the same principle here do you think ?
 
  David
 
  On Mon, 2014-10-13 at 23:09 +, Nicholas G Lawrence wrote:
   Hi all,
  
  
  
   What is the convention for tagging an address for a residential
   property in a suburb (Coorparoo) in a city (Brisbane)?
  
  
  
   addr:city = “Brisbane”
  
  
  
   Or
  
  
  
   addr:city = “Coorparoo”
  
  
  
   Or
  
  
  
   addr:suburb = “Coorparoo”
  
  
  
   Which is best for navigation and routing?
  
  
  
   Cheers
  
   Nick Lawrence
   Senior Spatial Science Officer (Geospatial Technologies) Engineering 
   Technology | Department of Transport and Main Roads
  
  
  
   Floor 19 | 313 Adelaide Street | Brisbane Qld 4000 GPO Box 1412 |
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Re: [OSM-talk] osmf-talk list

[Jason Ward]

Thanks for the link Richard (I should become a member and jump on over
there!),

Very casual mapper here though so my membership will have to wait.  I spent
about an hour following a couple of those threads though.

For a start, and because I don't see threads like this unless I'm linked to
them, is there any reason why forums are not used?  I get that it adds a
moderation overhead where there is minimal effort now but would the benefit
of easily accessible information in the forms these types of discussion be
of greater benefit to a community none the wiser?  I get that its up to the
individual to themselves aware of the access points but forums expose
information much more easily than these lists do.  I suggest also emoticons
would serve to soften tone / bridge the Non-verbal communication gap and
alleviate some miscommunication that might occur with lists.

The other point of interest is the huge amount of effort that went into
documenting the Working Group activities (So.  Many.  Working.  Groups.
So.  Many. IRC. Minutes).  I didn't realise.

I'm also interested in the 'tension' I feel between the Not-For-Profit
situation OSM is in and Corporate interests (Ref: [Osmf-talk] Death and
evolution) and how there is a desire to form a Funding WG (Ref: [Osmf-talk]
Funding WG).

Cheers,

Jason

Only OSMF members can post to osmf-talk, but anyone can read.


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Re: [talk-au] Proposed Data import - Queensland, Australia: Peaks and Mountains

[Jason Ward]

Hi Chris,

Any thoughts on shifting the source references to data.qld.gov.au?  At some
point in the future a whole of government permission (like the TMR one)
would negate the need to update attribution statements.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution#Queensland_Government_data_.28Department_of_Transport_and_Main_Roads_-_TMR.29

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Re: [talk-au] Proposed data import. Queensland peaks and mountains

[Jason Ward]

Hi Tim,

Agree with a zoned verification approach.  To your point about accuracy
would the OpenCycleMap countours be a valid positional accuracy check?  If
I read this link [1] correctly they are =/- 16m in vegetated areas and
+/-5m.
I note that this maps tiles have implemented at 10m intervals as well and
if I were verifying this peak (Mt Toby) I'd suggest it could be made more
accurate (moved left approx 150m).

Would that be a better approach?  [3]: FYI.

[1]:
http://www.nrm.qld.gov.au/services_resources/item_details.php?item_id=34171
[2]: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-21.1074/148.8531layers=CN
[3]: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/SRTM


Cheers,

Jason


I don't want to be a downer but I found the information to be so inaccurate
 as to border on useless.
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Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

[Jason Ward]

I have intentions of following the British structure for QLD boundaries (no
permission to use this dataset yet).  Boundary is the chosen type there:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1464290

multipolygon, though, is winning that race it seems:
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/type



  As to the type of relation as “boundary” or “multipolygon” I’ve still not
  figured out which is best.

 No winners here.  Even the validators disagree.  I've been known to use
 both.
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[talk-au] Adelaide oval vs r21473635

[Jason Ward]

Has the mapper been contacted?

On Saturday, 5 April 2014, Daniel O'Connor
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[OSM-talk] Foursquare and OSM Note Instructions

[Jason Ward]

Hi Team,

I've been doing some SuperUser edits in 4sq recently and poked my head into
the OSM page they hold on their site (https://foursquare.com/about/osm) and
its slightly at odds with the messaging I have been using when resolving
notes I have deemed as irrelevant to use and I thought I'd clarify with
this group to see whether I need to:

a) Adjust my messaging when resolving notes [1]; OR
b) Don't resolve notes that indicate something should be added or is an
ommission; OR
c) Ask 4sq to amend their copy to better reflect OSM Note usage.

So.  The OSM Wiki [2] for notes indicates in its first para that notes are
for errors and I have taken that quite literally when assessing notes and
in resolving something that is missing from OSM I have indicated that
notes are for errors.  My behaviour may be having a negative effect on
these note authors coming from 4sq so I'm keen to ensure I don't
unecessarily turn people away from OSM if I shouldn't be.

Any thoughts here?  Is the first para in the OSM Wiki at odds with the Dos
and Don't section on the same page?  One suggests errors and the other
suggest errors and missing information.


[1]: I usually resolve Notes with Business Details suggesting that they are
for Errors rather than Ommissions.
[2]: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Notes


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Re: [OSM-talk] Foursquare and OSM Note Instructions

[Jason Ward]

Hi Alex,

Good question and I have since figured out how to access notes I have
touched/resolved to demonstrate my point.  My treatment of notes is
probably the problem.  :)

I see this note [1] as being a legitimate use case for them in that there
used to be a roundabout there and not the intersection has been
reconfigured (ie.  OSM is in error)
I see this note [2] as being an illegitimate use case for them.  (ie. OSM
is NOT in error rather OSM is missing this data).  You can see how I
have tried to encourage the user to engage with OSM.
Note [3] is similar to Note [2] but my treatment has been to resolve with
the comment I have made (At the detriment of a future OSM editor?).  This
is one of my earlier note exercises.

[1]: http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/6598
[2]: http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/118639
[3]: http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/99910

I think the notes are great and I've used them in areas where I have passed
through and noted obvious errors for local mappers.  With the 4sq channel
though I'm wondering if my logic and subsequent action to resolve is too
literal and I should leave Notes of Type [2] / [3] in place.  Is this the
intent of Notes moving forward?

Cheers,

Jason


On 28 March 2014 13:05, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote:

 Hey Jason -

 I'm not sure I follow as Foursquare's page says:

 If you just want something small fixed but don't have the time to sign up
 and edit, it's easy to add a note.

 Which seems to be in line with how you're using notes (reporting errors).
 What am I missing?





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Re: [talk-au] Automating the replacement of abbreviation of street names

[Jason Ward]

Sounds fine.  A quick google indicates the approach has historical
endorsement [1] but could you define the geographical scope of these
changes and the logic/software you'd be using to do these changes?

Note [2] is a worthwhile read if you haven't spotted it already.

[1] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/openstreetmap/lW7E9_-TEe8
[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edit_Policy

Cheers,

Jason


On 2 March 2014 15:47, Frank sundowne...@optusnet.com.au wrote:

 I'm toying with automating the replacement of abbreviation of street names
 e.g. St to Street, Ave to Avenue etc. It is tedious to do that by hand and
 the automation process can limit the replacements to tagged 'highway's and
 to the end of the name tag so things like St Andrews won't get changed to
 Street Andrews! It would be used on .osm files making the changes, a
 separate text file documenting the changes (so you can check), the
 abbreviations and their replacements would be in a text file so additions
 could be made by anyone (in any language). To upload the changes JOSM would
 be used.

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Re: [talk-au] QLD GTFS Data Imports

[Jason Ward]

Hi everyone,

I've been sporadically looking at the best way forward on this import and
am at a bit of a loose end.  I am still to document the process for
importing but in doing so and monitoring the @imports list for a while now
one of their significant considerations is how best to maintain the data
after import.  As noted earlier there was an import done in 2009 by user
morb_au of approximately 6000 bus stop nodes and with 13,000 nodes now
available from the agency I think I now understand where the OSM
contributors are coming from with regards to mechanical imports.

I was originally inclined to simply delete these in favour of the 'newer' /
'more authorative' dataset in its place but the inclusion of the
qroti:surveyed value [1] in the existing dataset has given me pause to
consider the accuracy of what is there and whether it is better to leave
some or all of it in place and conflate with the newer, more extensive
dataset from Transport and Main Roads.

To understand what the surveyed value means I have looked back through the
Archive version of the qroti site, I've checked morb_au's diary notes [2],
[3] on the import and even read morb_au's paper on SVG [4].  I have sent
morb_au an OSM message and even tried hooking up with him on Linked In with
me at 0/5 so far.  My only requirement being to understand where the
qroti:surveyed is from (a government employee survey date or a morb_au
survey date?)

My thinking is that morb_au didn't survey 6,000 bus stop across Brisbane
and that this was information held in a dataset that he had access to.

The extension of my thinking, and this is where I'm hoping someone can
check my logic, was to retain nodes in OSM that are version 2 or higher and
delete or merge version 1 nodes with the gtfs key:value information from
the newer dataset.  There are 4,641 v1 nodes with the qroti:surveyed value
in them.  my thinking here is that if stops are at v1 then they are as
imported by morb_au and those nodes are a mechanical import (not supported
by extra information or enhanced by another more recent OSM mapper edit)
and candidates for removal and replacement with the nodes in the newer
dataset.

Is that a good approach?

While I'm asking questions would it be prudent to deprecate (read: remove)
the qroti values of nodes as they are merged?  They hold no value as they
are sourced from an import whose source is indeterminate and the values of
it [5] are no longer useful given the currency of the TMR dataset I am
trying to get done.  Any thoughts on that?

[1] : http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/qroti%3Asurveyed
[2] : http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/morb_au/diary/5499
[3] : http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/morb_au/diary/5421
[4] : http://www.svgopen.org/2003/papers/PublicTransportMappingExample/
[5] : http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=qroti#keys
[6] : http://mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/pie/368 (5kx5k Mapcraft Pie)

Cheers,

Jason


On 26 December 2013 16:03, Jason Ward jasonjwa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 I took the discussion offline momentarily and Daniel and I have had a few
 email exchanges.  The result is a Wiki page with information about the
 process.  Anyone interested in helping with the import and QA process (both
 documenting and doing) is more than welcome to go right ahead.

 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/Queensland_GTFS_Data

 With 13,000 rows in the SEQ stops.txt file and roughly 9,000 existing
 nodes in the region the work of checking will need to be segmented with
 http://mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/ being noted by Daniel as a useful tool (I
 never knew it existed - thanks mate) to help with that endeavour.

 Anyway, the page is up and you'll note a lot of TBA in sections.  If you
 know what should be done in those sections please chip in and update the
 documentation (or just delete it).

 Cheers,

 Jason


 Let's start a write up and take it to the imports list for further
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[Jason Ward]

Thanks for that.  I have read that several times and in fact link to it in
the Wiki page for this import (my prior email contains that link).  That is
the clearest indication yet that I might need to rethink the existing
dataset.


 I would advise against removal of anything unless verified by survey.


I am very much in agreement on this point.  If morb_au doesn't wish to
respond to my enquiry or hasn't seen my email/LinkedIn comms then I have to
take that at face value (he is the author of the Wiki section you've quoted
in the email).  You've also assumed the meaning of last_surveyed.  I wish
to remove that uncertainty as much as possible and really understand why
in the field has been surrounded in double quotes.  Could 231 Bus stop
nodes really have been accurately surveyed in 1 day? [1]  That's a proper
effort survey if that is the case.  I'm keen to understand the mechanics of
that day, and all qroti surveys, better so I can appropriately conflate the
new nodes.

[1]: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/2BK (The highest daily node count of the
qroti dataset)

If I don't get it then I'll err on the side of caution and retain all
existing data, not shift its location and merge in the new key:value
details that comes with this later dataset.

If anyone else has any input I am all ears.  Remove QROTI keys?  I'm
thinking its a good idea as a post implementation of this import purely to
keep references within OSM to current datasets.  If its a bad idea could
you tell me why?
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[Jason Ward]

If this [1] doesn't yield a response he is definitely over OSM.

[1] : https://twitter.com/jward101/status/437826150052552704

Cheers,

Jason


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 On 24/02/14 12:01, waldo000...@gmail.com wrote:

 Bummer that you can't get in contact with morb_au


 Have you tried twitter?

 A search there shows he's still around but possibly not really interested
 in osm any more.

 His first diary post gives a hint to the dis-interest.


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Re: [talk-au] Motorway edits in NSW / Vic

[Jason Ward]

Sorry for the double post / email,

This [1] looks like the reversion has been done for AU.  If a mrpulley is
on the talk-au list could you update Serge and talk-au?

[1]: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/20634749

Cheers,

Jason


On 19 February 2014 11:12, Jason Ward jasonjwa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Serge,

 We spotted the user block the other day and I've seen some roll-back
 activity in (this) talk-au thread but it isn't a coordinated response as
 individuals (myself not included) are taking ownership of areas they are
 familiar with.

 On that basis it would be great if you had the means to complete a more
 comprehensive roll-back of this user's edits.  As I understand it (from
 reading this thread) pretty much everything is incorrect and given the GB
 and AU coverage it  seems like a complete roll-back would be an appropriate
 response.  Of course if that is an incorrect assertion I expect others will
 make it known to you and the DWG.

 I'm happy to help with that process too as my sum total experience of
 reverting changesets = 1 so I'm all for upskilling in this area.

 Cheers,

 Jason


 On 19 February 2014 00:52, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote:

 Jason,

 My apologies for not getting back to you sooner. We went ahead and gave
 the user a temporary block two days ago. It doesn't look like he's bothered
 to log in since.

 You mentioned that you and other have rolled back some of his edits. Do
 you want to continue to do so (since you seem to be coordinating) or should
 I?

 - Serge


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Re: [talk-au] Motorway edits in NSW / Vic

[Jason Ward]

It still leaves correction of errors up to the community I'm afraid and if
he ignores that message in the user block DWG will need to be notified
again to get that account dealt with more permanently.

Good luck guys.

Cheers,

Jason
On 17 Feb 2014 07:41, Leon Kernan lker...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks Jason for contacting DWG on this.  It seems he's been issued with a
 warning, we'll see if it has any impact.

 Today the Western highway has been upgraded again after it had been
 reverted to normal.
 I notice that supposedly we have tunnelled around Beaufort now,  As a
 Victorian taxpayer i'd like to know how we can afford these tunnels as long
 as the East-West link! :-p

 One positive in this, it's got me to start using JOSM a little.  I might
 just change over from Potlatch 2 yet..



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 Hi DWG (CC talk-au list),

 Below is a segment of a discussion on talk-au regarding edits made by
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/robbief14.

 He is unresponsive to messages sent via OSM and continues to add and
 remove content that has been established as incorrect.  I am notifying you
 as users within the talk-au discussion have established some actions within
 his edits to be vandalism (with some rollbacks by users being re-added back
 in by this user).

 If you have any questions please contact the guys on the list and I
 apologise if you have been notified separately to my comms (no-one was
 nominated or volunteered so I just sent this message).

 Cheers,

 Jason


 On 16 February 2014 08:31, Leon Kernan lker...@gmail.com wrote:

 No, he seems to be putting back his fake roads again.  Just as I
 finished fixing some of them from last time...

 Has anyone managed to contact him (I noticed several people in the
 talk-GB list were trying to) and is it time to get someone like the Data
 Working Group involved to deal with him?  At the least, I believe every one
 of his edits in Australia is bogus.

 I've checked the following:
  He's reinstated the Shepparton bypass again.  I can say with
 certainty that that road doesn't exist except in the road authorities
 future plans.
  There is also a Pacific Highway tunnel that's appeared in Sydney
 that I believe is still in the planning phase.

  The Adelaide northern connector is also in the planning phase
 (still not funded according to their website) and sure enough, he's made it
 complete.

 Look at this minor example:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/261508781#map=19/-37.56324/143.93172

 There is no justification for adding those ramps, which would be
 dangerous if they were actually built like that.


 On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 3:49 AM, SomeoneElse 
 li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote:

 There seem to be a lot of deletions in this and subsequent changesets:

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/20555081

 Are they valid?

 Cheers,

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Re: [talk-au] Motorway edits in NSW / Vic

[Jason Ward]

Hi DWG (CC talk-au list),

Below is a segment of a discussion on talk-au regarding edits made by
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/robbief14.

He is unresponsive to messages sent via OSM and continues to add and remove
content that has been established as incorrect.  I am notifying you as
users within the talk-au discussion have established some actions within
his edits to be vandalism (with some rollbacks by users being re-added back
in by this user).

If you have any questions please contact the guys on the list and I
apologise if you have been notified separately to my comms (no-one was
nominated or volunteered so I just sent this message).

Cheers,

Jason


On 16 February 2014 08:31, Leon Kernan lker...@gmail.com wrote:

 No, he seems to be putting back his fake roads again.  Just as I finished
 fixing some of them from last time...

 Has anyone managed to contact him (I noticed several people in the talk-GB
 list were trying to) and is it time to get someone like the Data Working
 Group involved to deal with him?  At the least, I believe every one of his
 edits in Australia is bogus.

 I've checked the following:
  He's reinstated the Shepparton bypass again.  I can say with
 certainty that that road doesn't exist except in the road authorities
 future plans.
  There is also a Pacific Highway tunnel that's appeared in Sydney that
 I believe is still in the planning phase.

  The Adelaide northern connector is also in the planning phase (still
 not funded according to their website) and sure enough, he's made it
 complete.

 Look at this minor example:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/261508781#map=19/-37.56324/143.93172

 There is no justification for adding those ramps, which would be dangerous
 if they were actually built like that.


 On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 3:49 AM, SomeoneElse 
 li...@mail.atownsend.org.ukwrote:

 There seem to be a lot of deletions in this and subsequent changesets:

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/20555081

 Are they valid?

 Cheers,

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Re: [talk-au] Motorway edits in NSW / Vic

[Jason Ward]

Its touched on in the Vandalism Wiki but not referred to the DWG page but
if there is not a suitable response then bringing it to the attention of
the Data Working Group for user blocking is the next step I guess.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Data_working_group#User_Blocks

It suggest contacting them via the address at the bottom of that page.  If
no response is made and the edits continue I would suggest that be the next
step (if it hasn't been suggested already) although if what has been done
is an obvious vandalism attempt then I'd be referring the issue to the DWG.

Cheers,

Jason


On 11 February 2014 09:43, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote:

 Stéphane Guillou wrote:

  but has anyone written to ask them to justify their edits?


 Yes - one of the Scottish guys who spotted the problems north of Edinburgh
 in the UK.  I mentioned it here because I figured that not too many people
 would be suscribed to both talk-gb and talk-au.


 Cheers,

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Re: [talk-au] Map damage in Mackay - Mackay mapper

[Jason Ward]

Hi Tim,

If you have a changeset, user name or a suburb available that will help
with finding the problem.

Until then its difficult to kick off any investigation.

Cheers,

Jason
On 2 Jan 2014 16:32, Timothy Ney neyfami...@gmail.com wrote:

 Damage to data in some Mackay suburbs.   A user has been editing large
 amounts of landuse information in the Mackay northern beaches area.  At
 least two suburbs were completely damaged.  The editing does not seem to be
 for any reason. I don't have the ability to check the user at the moment.
 Could some one let them know to cut it out.  I have many hours into
 sourcing the correct data.
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 A new user has removed some large amount of shore line in the Hawkesbury
 River Brooklyn area. The Hawkesbury River and Ku-ring-gai Chase National
 Park relations are now broken. There is a lot of white now appearing. The
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 Hi.

 I don't have access to a real computer at the moment, but the revert
 plugin
 in JOSM is pretty easy to use.

 Do you know the change set number? Perhaps someone else can assist.

 Have you contacted the person?

 Note that once someone starts manually fixing up a bad edit, it gets
 harder
 to revert.

- Ben Kelley
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  River Brooklyn area. The Hawkesbury River and Ku-ring-gai Chase National
  Park relations are now broken. There is a lot of white now appearing.
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 I figured there was plenty of other areas I can work.

 Peter W


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  Hi.
 
  I don't have access to a real computer at the moment, but the revert
  plugin in JOSM is pretty easy to use.
 
  Do you know the change set number? Perhaps someone else can assist.
 
  Have you contacted the person?
 
  Note that once someone starts manually fixing up a bad edit, it gets
  harder to revert.
 
 - Ben Kelley
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 Hawkesbury
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Re: [talk-au] Damage to Maps

[Jason Ward]

This appears to be the changeset (done in the Web interface).  I have
messages the person and let them know that a rollback of that will soon
occur.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/19743866

Please go ahead and do that Peter.

Cheers,

Jason

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Re: [talk-au] Damage to Maps

[Jason Ward]

Hi Peter,

If the changeset I have noted is the cause of the problem then if you could
revert that it should fix the problem. If you're not comfortable doing that
let the list know and someone will be able to do it.

Thankfully it's only 16hrs old but it does extend into Northern Sydney so
it is a case of sooner is better with the reversion.

Cheers,

Jason
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Re: [talk-au] Damage to Maps

[Jason Ward]

My understanding is that the whole changeset must be reverted.

No response from the user yet but if this is a clear mistake then the
changeset should be rolled back.

Cheers,

Jason
On 2 Jan 2014 16:02, Mark Pulley mrpul...@lizzy.com.au wrote:

 Quoting Jason Ward jasonjwa...@gmail.com:

 This appears to be the changeset (done in the Web interface).  I have
 messages the person and let them know that a rollback of that will soon
 occur.

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/19743866

 Please go ahead and do that Peter.


 Do we need to revert the entire changeset, or just undelete the ways for
the national park and Hawkesbury River? A brief glance at the other ways in
the changeset look OK.

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Re: [talk-au] Murchison - Square Kilometer Telescope not showing on Garmin maps

[Jason Ward]

The proposed observatory schema seems to have stalled but looking through
the discussion on it there was consensus from the group that is ready
enough to put to a vote (which is where it seems to have stopped progress).

Maybe take a look through there and pick up that proposal if you have the
means to do so.

Cheers,

Jason
On 31 Dec 2013 13:06, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:

 On 31/12/13 11:17, Warin wrote:

  Any other thoughts?


 Use mkgmap to make your own Garmin maps.  Edit the mkgmap points file
 and add an entry for radio telescope.  Eg:

 man_made=radio_telescope [0x6411 resolution 21]

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[talk-au] QLD GTFS Data Imports

[Jason Ward]

Hi Daniel,

I'm creating a separate thread just so I can keep the data.qld.gov.au one
on-point with regards to my future plans for a whole of government explicit
permission request in 2014.

Bus stops sounds great although there is a stack load (thousands) of
existing Brisbane Stops imported from a no longer accessible source (QROTI)
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/QROTI
(Here is a quick example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/739929)

I'm more than happy to help out with importing although I don't know which
way to jump on this because of potential route degradation the removal of
existing stops will bring with it but I also acknowledge that the existing
data is potentially incorrect given it is no longer maintained.

If there is any way to review routes that have stop nodes (highway:bus_stop
and public_transport:platform) associated to them that would be a good
indicator of impact to these relations.  If the ratio of stops to route
relations is low enough then it would be grounds for removing all stops and
adding them back into the route relations once the import was complete.
 Here is one of my local routes with stops associated to it:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3316448 (The stops would be removed
from that route if my suggestion was adopted)

I grabbed the Airlie Beach stops.txt file from the qconnect dataset and
that was fairly straight forward thankfully.  Literally no stops existed so
I tidied up the data in a csv, imported it and added a few fixme tags for
visually odd looking stop locations.  Brisbane will be significantly more
difficult but I'm up for that challenge.

Cheers,

Jason


On 25 December 2013 08:54, Daniel O'Connor daniel.ocon...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Thursday, December 5, 2013, Jason Ward wrote:

 Hi again,

 There has been a response from TMR and the necessary permission has been
 obtained (for their datasets 
 accessiblehttps://data.qld.gov.au/organization on
 the data.qld.gov.au portal).  I have an administrative query to be
 cleared by TMR before I make any amendments to the Wiki.

 Its a start and the gtfs data will shortly be okay to use (once the
 attribution goes up).


 So, how would we like to approach this? Bus stop import and reconcile with
 existing data? Full routes? something else?

 I did a gtfs bus stop import for SA via a josm plugin, but managed to
 accidentally add a few doubled stops a year ago or so. I would probably
 look at a few custom tools to generate .osm files and avoid dupes this time
 around, so it can be repeatedly sync'd

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Re: [talk-au] QLD GTFS Data Imports

[Jason Ward]

Hi Daniel,

Wow that is a lot.  I looked at
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=qroti#keys and was considering
these as candidates for removal and replacement with the new gtfs data /
positioning.

I presume nodes tagged without these key:value tags would come under the
standard duplication checks you've described.  That said I expect that the
qroti tagged nodes could also be handled in the same way with an extra step
for this dataset to remove those key:value tags as a post process step (OR
as a pre-process step if that is more appropriate).

Importantly, we'd need to update the qroti wiki page ( with information
about this import and the actions taken to remove this information).

I've just signed up to the import list too.

Re: Go-Sync I note that one of the assumptions that software operates under
is that few bus stops have already been mapped in OSM for the city served
by the agency with a bolded section directly under that assumption in the
Wiki noting *GO_Sync should not be used in areas where the local OSM
mapping community has already mapped a substantial number of the agency's
bus stops.*


Cheers,

Jason


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 Bus stops sounds great although there is a stack load (thousands) of
 existing Brisbane Stops imported from a no longer accessible source (QROTI)
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/QROTI
 (Here is a quick example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/739929)


 http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1RH - JOSM tells me there's 8,000+



 I'm more than happy to help out with importing although I don't know
 which way to jump on this because of potential route degradation the
 removal of existing stops will bring with it but I also acknowledge that
 the existing data is potentially incorrect given it is no longer maintained.

 If there is any way to review routes that have stop nodes
 (highway:bus_stop and public_transport:platform) associated to them that
 would be a good indicator of impact to these relations.


 http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1RI


   If the ratio of stops to route relations is low enough then it would be
 grounds for removing all stops and adding them back into the route
 relations once the import was complete.  Here is one of my local routes
 with stops associated to it:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3316448 (The stops would be
 removed from that route if my suggestion was adopted)

 I suspect that might be more damaging than not.

 Perhaps the best steps might be to try a tool like go-sync, or something
 that can example the GTFS data and find existing bus stops by lat/long.

 We'd want a few reports - OSM bus stops that aren't matched to a gtfs stop
 (manual deletion candidates), new gtfs stops, and of course, the ones that
 are a quick/simple match.

 Let's start a write up and take it to the imports list for further advice.

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[Jason Ward]

Hi everyone,

I took the discussion offline momentarily and Daniel and I have had a few
email exchanges.  The result is a Wiki page with information about the
process.  Anyone interested in helping with the import and QA process (both
documenting and doing) is more than welcome to go right ahead.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/Queensland_GTFS_Data

With 13,000 rows in the SEQ stops.txt file and roughly 9,000 existing nodes
in the region the work of checking will need to be segmented with
http://mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/ being noted by Daniel as a useful tool (I
never knew it existed - thanks mate) to help with that endeavour.

Anyway, the page is up and you'll note a lot of TBA in sections.  If you
know what should be done in those sections please chip in and update the
documentation (or just delete it).

Cheers,

Jason


 Let's start a write up and take it to the imports list for further
 advice.




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Re: [talk-au] data.qld.gov.au explicit permission request

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The Wiki has been updated with the appropriate details.  If anyone has any
questions or amendments please go right ahead and ask.  I've redacted an
actual work address in the headers section of the attribution page as the
original response came from the CIO of the Dept.  The second response, now
in the Wiki was presumably sent by his secretary rather than from the
mailbox and it retained her details in the headers.  If, in redacting her
surname, this breaks the explicit permission then let me know and I'll
request the same email from a mailbox (rather than by a user from that
mailbox).

Wiki page is here (Attribution link is in the 1st para):
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution#Queensland_Government_data_.28Department_of_Transport_and_Main_Roads_-_TMR.29

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Re: [talk-au] JOSM and losing Bing Hi Res zoom recently

[Jason Ward]

Hi Arthur,

Interesting.  I have had higher zoom levels than Z19 for Brisbane locations
(see my earlier comment).  The tiles are still not rendering past Z19 for
me today though.
I've dug a little deeper and in the folder of the screenshot I've just
attached you'll see that the 20_xx_xx.tags file don't have a
corresponding png file.  Within those .tag files is a single line of text
that notes tile-info=no-tile (nothing helpful on Google - will idle in
josm-dev for a while).  Those tag files go right down to Z21 in my folder
so hopefully the earlier MSDN link is the issue and those (refreshed?)
tiles start appearing soon.  The 20_ indicates the zoom level.  19_ and
lower all have png files.

Link: http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/6959/wsp4.png

Cheers,

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Re: [talk-au] data.qld.gov.au explicit permission request

[Jason Ward]

Hi again,

There has been a response from TMR and the necessary permission has been
obtained (for their datasets
accessiblehttps://data.qld.gov.au/organizationon the
data.qld.gov.au portal).  I have an administrative query to be cleared by
TMR before I make any amendments to the Wiki.

Its a start and the gtfs data will shortly be okay to use (once the
attribution goes up).  Unfortunately, the respondent has noted, at least
from the position of TMR, that approval would need to be sourced from each
dataset owner (see link above for that list).

In an interesting and somewhat timely twist.  Andrew Mills, the SA Govt CIO
since 2007 commences as the Qld Government CIO in January 2014 so I guess
that means, Watch this space.  I'll be introducing myself to him in the
New Year.

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[talk-au] JOSM and losing Bing Hi Res zoom recently

[Jason Ward]

Hi folks,

I'm at a bit of a loss right now and wonder if any of you have experienced
the same issue.

For about a week on 2 different machines I have only had access to zoom
level 19.

I've pretty much run down every google result possible (remove tile cache,
remove attribution file et al)  and am still having the issue.

I've even looked up the JOSM bug tracker and sat in the JOSM dev chat room
before posting here.  The reason I'm starting here is to check if it's a
localised Bing problem or whether one of you smart people knows whether
something has changed that would cause this issue.

I note that other parts of the globe are not affected as I can view London
at a Zoom of 20 (I think).

Help! I've done a local street survey for house numbering and I'm reluctant
to do any tracing until I can resolve this.

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Re: [talk-au] JOSM and losing Bing Hi Res zoom recently

[Jason Ward]

Hi Alex,

The age is an interesting point but not what I am experiencing I think.  As
an example, and to your point, I accept that the Higher Resolution imagery
is older than the lower resolution imagery.  My house roof solar panels
installed in June 2011 are there in the Low res images.  When I zoom closer
they are not, indicating that they are, at least in my area, at least 24
months old.

The actual problem is that I can only get the Low res images (Zoom 19 in
JOSM) to show in the application and tracing is not possible, for housing
at least, with these map tiles (because JOSM just keeps zooming the Level
19 tiles to give a pixelated effect).

I'd point out too that I have completed tracing in the not too distant past
- literally just before this problem started to occur using Bing imagery
See here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/248814095 as an example and
while I had no idea about Bing Zoom Levels before needing to run this
problem down I am confident that I would not have completed this tracing at
the current Zoom 19.

Extra / New Info.  The OSM iD (in-browser) editor is also not showing the
Bing Hi res images (so its not just me!)  Something has happened recently.
 I'd be interested to here from other BNE mappers because I am confuzzled.

Cheers,

Jason

Cheers,

Jason


On 6 December 2013 09:54, Alex Sims a...@softgrow.com wrote:

 Hi Jason,

 There seems to be two layers in Bing in South Australia. A high resolution
 three or four year old layer and a lower resolution layer only about twelve
 months old. This may be related to what you are seeing.

 On 6 Dec 2013, at 9:29 am, Jason Ward jasonjwa...@gmail.com wrote:

 For about a week on 2 different machines I have only had access to zoom
 level 19.

 I've pretty much run down every google result possible (remove tile cache,
 remove attribution file et al)  and am still having the issue.

 I've even looked up the JOSM bug tracker and sat in the JOSM dev chat room
 before posting here.  The reason I'm starting here is to check if it's a
 localised Bing problem or whether one of you smart people knows whether
 something has changed that would cause this issue.

 I note that other parts of the globe are not affected as I can view London
 at a Zoom of 20 (I think).



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Re: [talk-au] JOSM and losing Bing Hi Res zoom recently

[Jason Ward]

Ah.  Okay.  I'll jump on a few more IRC channels and keep an eye out then.
 Thanks Andy.

Cheers,

Jason


On 6 December 2013 10:50, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote:

 Jason Ward wrote:


 Extra / New Info.  The OSM iD (in-browser) editor is also not showing the
 Bing Hi res images (so its not just me!)  Something has happened recently.
  I'd be interested to here from other BNE mappers because I am confuzzled.


 Not just Australia either - someone on IRC mentioned that the highest zoom
 Bing tiles in Essex, England had disappeared earlier today.

 Cheers,

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Re: [talk-au] JOSM and losing Bing Hi Res zoom recently

[Jason Ward]

Its a bit of a stretch but they could be scaling back high load services
(ie.  High Res map tiles) to non Bing products to ensure their 3D Maps
release runs buttering smooth.
http://www.bing.com/blogs/site_blogs/b/search/archive/2013/12/05/maps3d.aspx
but
in this day and age that'd be an extraordinary step to take (and an
indicator of not being confident in your own ability to scale).

Anyway.  It just a guess.  If enough people notice then we should
ultimately arrive at a reason why.  Thanks again for the heads up Andy.

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Re: [talk-au] data.qld.gov.au explicit permission request

[Jason Ward]

Hi Team (thanks Steve),

I called the 13QGOV number earlier this week and got referred to David from
Transport and Main Roads which is where the online enquiry was manually
referred to by a customer service rep.  They were working on a TMR
departmental response and in the online referral the context or information
that the enquiry was for the whole dataset was lost (To the extent that
David said the TMR response would cover only that departments dataset(s).

Thankfully the phone call and my adding that the request was for everything
in data.qld.gov.au means the TMR guy is including the whole-of-government
person or entity in their response back to me.

He said I'd get a written response the next day (I called on Wednesday).
 Nothing back from them yet but I'll call later next week to give them
plenty of time and if I get the right person that can respond for the whole
dataset rather than just one department (within the whole dataset) I'll get
further traction with the request.

That said, the TMR guy seemed to know and understand the background behind
the request and when I offered to provide more information on the ODbL side
of things he said that had already been discovered/addressed.

I'll keep you in the loop of course and update the Wiki with any outcomes.


On 1 December 2013 00:02, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Jason,
   Nice work - any response?

 Steve


 On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Jason Ward jasonjwa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 My apologies if this has already been posted but I've just sent off a
 request to data.qld.gov.au for explicit permission to incorporate and
 publish their applicable datasets.  I've provided them a link to the SA
 Government response to the same permission request so I hope it is just a
 formality that one of their legal eagles can complete.

 SA Link provided to them:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/sa.data.gov.au_explicit_permission

 I'm pretty new to OSM and figured I'd better not waste my effort already
 expended by not having this type of permission supplied.  I know that the
 whole dataset is CC-BY-3.0 AU so I'm not even sure if my request is
 required (but I figure there is no harm in seeking it).

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 Cheers,

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Re: [talk-au] Gold Coast Suburb Boundaries

[Jason Ward]

Hi Steve,

A similar discussion occurred as recently as Sep 2012 but my review of that
suggests no absolute resolution occurred.  I'd suggest having a read (you
might have already) as its an indicator of the due diligence applied to
externally sourced data(sets).
http://openstreetmap-australia.2291470.n4.nabble.com/talk-au-suburb-boundaries-td4641332.html

Setting aside the points made in that linked discussion and to address your
question directly.  The data is available over at data.qld.gov.au  right
now (Search for Locality boundaries - Queensland)

All data from the qld site is shared under a Creative Commons
(CC-BY-3.0 AU) licence
but as I understand it this is at odds (or is at risk of being at odds)
with the Open Database Licence Compliant (ODbL) You might have spotted my
earlier introduction to Talk-au where I note that I have requested explicit
permission to use the data from this source.  See:
http://openstreetmap-australia.2291470.n4.nabble.com/talk-au-data-qld-gov-au-explicit-permission-request-td4642067.html

Not much in the way of outcomes for you but hopefully a little more context
for further consideration.

Cheers,

Jason


On 26 November 2013 23:01, Steve Dalton st...@refactor.com.au wrote:

 Hi All

 Finally found the AU OSM list!

 I'm currently doing a bit of work with OSM for a client and I've
 stumbled on a problem I had some time ago. Gold Coast suburbs are
 completely wrong!

 I'm pretty new to OSM - so forgive my ignorance here, but from what I
 can see the administrative boundary for suburb is just set from a
 point and it just calculates your suburb from the nearest
 administrative point. So I live in Parkwood (no point has been set for
 this), my street comes up as Nerang and the street next to me comes up
 as Helensvale!

 If I was to get hold of proper suburb boundaries from the council - is
 there any way to even enter it? I can't quite see how. Has anyone in
 other cities done this? I did see some reference to Adelaide in the
 list archives but as I've not done a lot of geospatial work some of
 the terms and formats were new to me.

 There is quite a bit of support for Open Data at the moment in Gold
 Coast City council, so would appreciate any advice from other
 contributors on the best format for data, best way to get this data
 into OSM (if possible) and how best to work with the council.

 I would really like to encourage OSM usage more in my local area - but
 with a fundamental problem like this - it's a bit embarrassing. My
 general response to things like this is to use RMS's words We can fix
 that! but I'm a little stumped here on how to go about it, so any
 help appreciated.

 Many thanks
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[talk-au] data.qld.gov.au explicit permission request

[Jason Ward]

Hi everyone,

My apologies if this has already been posted but I've just sent off a
request to data.qld.gov.au for explicit permission to incorporate and
publish their applicable datasets.  I've provided them a link to the SA
Government response to the same permission request so I hope it is just a
formality that one of their legal eagles can complete.

SA Link provided to them:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/sa.data.gov.au_explicit_permission

I'm pretty new to OSM and figured I'd better not waste my effort already
expended by not having this type of permission supplied.  I know that the
whole dataset is CC-BY-3.0 AU so I'm not even sure if my request is
required (but I figure there is no harm in seeking it).

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