Re: [talk-au] Deletion of informal paths by NSW NPWS

[Adam Steer]

Thanks Tony.

The first crux as I see it is that the OSM community doesn't listen. It is
unable to hear values other than some abstract academic notion of map
purity.

The second crux is that OSM mappers are not responsible or accountable for
anything. So taking the view that "everyone should come to OSM and justify
themselves" is pretty weird and backwards.

What about taking the approach "ok land managers what can we do to help
you?" And if the answer is "stop reverting parks service  edits", then
respect that ...

A better map isn't one with all the everything. It's one made respectfully
and responsibly.
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Re: [talk-au] Deletion of informal paths by NSW NPWS

[Adam Steer]

Wait ... does the OSM community seriously want to call public land managers
vandals for attempting to manage access to parts of public land effectively?

This is a publicly archived forum, which land managers may read.

It's been raised a few times, and I have no problem raising this again:

- OSM have zero control over who renders what downstream, regardless of
tags.

- the existence of trails in a map infers useability at some point.

- continually reinstating trails to a database may incur real world
monetary, ecological, landscape and cultural costs, aside from time of
people engaging in slow edit wars. Who is OSM is then liable for those
costs?

- who in the land management community would now feel inclined to join this
discussion? It seems obvious the OSM community isn't prepared to listen,
only to talk...

This thread has been a bit mind numbing. I've tried hard to avoid writing
this post, and couldn't any more.

There are more important values than a database. Land managers have better
things to do that have edit wars.

And to repeat, OSM has no control over who renders what downstream. Please
respect a land managers decision, or at least ask about it respectfully and
wait as long as is needed for a response. They're busy..managing land.

With regards,

Adam







On Thu, Feb 29, 2024, 21:09 Andrew Welch via Talk-au <
talk-au@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> As much as we want to wait on them and work with them, there’s probably a
> point at which we should treat their edits like vandalism (and just revert
> their deletions) until they actually work with us.
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew Welch
> m...@andrewwelch.net
>
>
> On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 at 8:13 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
> wrote:
>
>> I've yet had no response back from Stephen Stenberg re Slate Falls
>> Lookout, after I basically repeated what you all had already said to him :-(
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Graeme
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 at 10:51, Andrew Welch via Talk-au <
>> talk-au@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>>
>>> The user who's edits were revered by Frederik has now tagged those ways
>>> as access=no, hopefully that means the message is starting to get across to
>>> NPWS.
>>>
>>> They did set some questionable names on those trails though, and haven't
>>> replied to a changeset comment asking about those.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Andrew Welch
>>> m...@andrewwelch.net
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 at 23:12, Mark Pulley  wrote:
>>>
 There’s probably going to be other examples of NPWS deleting paths.
 I’ve just had a look at the Jungle Circuit in Blackheath. This was deleted
 by NPWS https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/144648041 - at least
 most of it was, a small bridge was left behind near the creek, and the
 first part from Rodriguez Pass was left alone. With Rodriguez Pass
 currently closed, I’m not able to check it in-person. It was passable in
 2017, with some indistinct sections, so it’s possible that the 2020 fires
 and 2022 floods have finished it off. I’ve asked a clarifying question on
 the changeset.

 Mark P.

 On 27 Feb 2024, at 8:53 pm, Frederik Ramm  wrote:

 I haven't followed this thread and I don't know if this is relevant to
 the discussion but I have just reverted the deletion of a bunch of paths in
 Tweed Shire, NSW here https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/147956474
 - the deleter claims to have ties to NPS.

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Re: [talk-au] Deletion of informal paths by NSW NPWS

[Adam Steer]

Hi all

What is the OSM community issue with the concept of 'do not map this it
will cause harm'?

OSMF and the OSM community cannot stop downstream users from using data
however they like. It's open data, people may not even be aware that they
need to apply specific tagging for visibility or not.

The path of least harm is to let land managers remove informal paths and
leave them removed. It's quite straightforward. I've worked on one project
where having informal tracks visible on a map would have trashed years of
advocacy work. I've also seen that if a trail appears on a map, it gets
used. Others in this thread have given direct experience (ground truth if
you like, or as close as anyone will get to whatever people think
ground truth is) of when mapping trails leads to harm.

As an open data community, mapping responsibly comes before "map all the
things". This means considering that downstream users may not use data in
ways we would like or expect once it is there.

It's not even controversial that NSW NPWS would remove informal trails from
OSM. Heck, I would. I'd also get smart, and start to ask OSM to revoke
accounts of repeat trail remappers. Because see the second sentence in this
email. Also remember it costs actual dollars to keep re-remediating trails,
policing usage, monitoring which mapping aps are showing trails that should
not be there. So an abstract insistence on a concept which does not even
exist (ground truth) is sucking up real world time and money. Which, I'd
wager, could be far better spend elsewhere.

With regards,

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Re: [talk-au] Publishing data as vector tiles/something else

[Adam Steer]

Hi Ben

I knew about Tippecanoe - and will also give it a go. Thanks for the
reminder! Like all unfunded projects the whole idea is prone to being put
on the back burner (or in the back of a dark cupboard ).. might see some
action soon!

Cheers,

Adam

On Tue, May 23, 2023, 12:34 Ben Ritter  wrote:

> I recently came across Tippecanoe, which is a tool that outputs "Mapbox
> Vector Tile Specification" tiles from other formats, with a focus on large
> datasets and sensible level-of-detail handling. I haven't used it myself,
> but it looks like it might be useful here. Maybe converting your data to
> .mbtiles, then generating a "TMS folder" from that (which I imagine is
> possible).
>
> https://github.com/felt/tippecanoe
> https://github.com/mapbox/awesome-vector-tiles
>
> I hope those leads help you out. I'd be interested to hear what solution
> you settle on!
>
> Cheers,
> Ben
>
> On Wed, 10 May 2023 at 06:55, Adam Steer  wrote:
>
>> Hiya
>>
>> I have about a gigabyte (maybe 2) of vector data for high resolution
>> terrain classifications and features (snow safety related) that I want to
>> publish in a way that leaflet/openlayers/cesium based apps can ingest it.
>>
>> I also want it to be static - bare http access without a server in the
>> way.
>>
>> ...and I don't want to restrict access with a paywall, I want people to
>> play with it and figure out if it is useful (donations are always welcome!)
>>
>> Currently it's all in .gpkg
>>
>> What's the current state of the art in static, over-http vector delivery
>> for web apps (or to qgis) that isn't over-fluffy ? (Geojson for example
>> blows the size out by a lot). Links to how-to's welcome...
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Adam
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[talk-au] Publishing data as vector tiles/something else

[Adam Steer]

Hiya

I have about a gigabyte (maybe 2) of vector data for high resolution
terrain classifications and features (snow safety related) that I want to
publish in a way that leaflet/openlayers/cesium based apps can ingest it.

I also want it to be static - bare http access without a server in the way.

...and I don't want to restrict access with a paywall, I want people to
play with it and figure out if it is useful (donations are always welcome!)

Currently it's all in .gpkg

What's the current state of the art in static, over-http vector delivery
for web apps (or to qgis) that isn't over-fluffy ? (Geojson for example
blows the size out by a lot). Links to how-to's welcome...

Thanks,

Adam

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Re: [talk-au] [Talk-nz] Oceania Discourse Community open

[Adam Steer]

Great - thanks for your work getting that going Dian!

On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 at 12:03, Dian Ågesson  wrote:
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> Hello all,
>
> I'm pleased to report that the Oceania community on the OpenStreetMap 
> Discourse server is open and operational!
>
> https://community.openstreetmap.org/c/communities/oceania/73
>
> If you've never used discourse, check out this How-To guide for all the tips 
> and tricks. For those who prefer email notifications, the how-to guide also 
> explains how to configure email notifications similar to a mailing list!
>
> Don't be shy! See you there.
>
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Re: [talk-au] So, should we request an Oceania Community Channel?

[Adam Steer]

Hi DIan

To me it makes sense to have an "Oceania" community listed here:
https://community.openstreetmap.org/c/communities/9/none

Thanks,

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Re: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA

[Adam Steer]

Hi Graeme - this is exactly what I was thinking about in my question
earlier - make mapping part of the job. Also great to hear OSMAnd+ in
there (my choice of personal navigator for offline missions in both
Australia and Norway )

Also want to touch on a point Ewen made. I was at Taylors crossing
(Vic, on this patch:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-36.8418/147.6456) in the
2019/20 summer. No EMS is coming there - and comms are super flaky
between Benambra and Corryong - that whole region. A lot of common
ground with the linked talk. It makes a lot of sense to spend EMS time
mapping things that are relevant for offline use later - IMO far more
effective use of funding than infrastructure which then needs
protecting to support apps / services which may fail offline.

Relevant to this, I'm looking for the next career, I'd be super happy
to work on this stuff - and likely back in Au sometime in January 23.

Cheers

Adam

On Tue, 13 Sept 2022 at 06:27, Graeme Fitzpatrick  wrote:
>
> Carrying on from this discussion, just spotted this mentioned on Discord: 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgk9al1rluE
>
> Very interesting, especially in regard to what we were talking about!
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
>
>
> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 23:49, Ewen Hill  wrote:
>>
>> A really great thread. Sometime early this century, the Victorian CFA used 
>> local brigades to confirm mapping. This became the original 
>> paperbasedSpatial Vision Maps. We now have the Common Operating Platform or 
>> EM-COP that does much the same as Graeme's QFES above but has a proprietary 
>> basemap.
>>
>>It works really well and allows updates by the Fire Behavioural Analysts 
>> (FBANS) and other Intel staff, BOM staff, warnings officers and  local 
>> incident controllers as well as strike team leaders commanding 4 or so fire 
>> tankers.
>>
>> Now, if we could not put transmission towers on top of hills because there 
>> is one flaw in all of this.
>>
>> Ewen
>>
>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 10:10, Graeme Fitzpatrick  
>> wrote:
>>>

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Re: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA

[Adam Steer]

Hi, great to see OSM in the emergency management space. Alex (or
anyone) - what's your feel on EMS users also contributing to OSM? is
there awareness around, say, heading to the field with OSMand+ and
adding temporary closures if they're relevant (eg this bridge is going
to be closed for months, lets flag it).

And what training is missing for people to do that? (do the OSM
community think its a good idea even?)

...these are super naive questions and have probably been discussed a
lot already. It would be great to get a 'current impression'.

Thanks,

Adam

On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 at 16:37, Michael Collinson  wrote:
>
> Graeme,
> You are one with Steve Coast on seeing that as a major focus.
>
> Yes, use and of use.  Anecdotally, I have a peripheral connection with a 
> small commercial app map/routing library and have hobby-business apps Android 
> apps based on it. Yes, definitely of use particularly on longer roads ... 
> which bit do I want to aim for? Either by visual indication or by searching 
> then routing.
>
> Mike
>
> On 2022-08-26 04:15, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
>
> One thing that I'd love feedback on if possible is street numbers, 
> particularly for rural areas?
>
> Does anybody use them & are they of any use?
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
>
>
> On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 at 11:37, Alex Sims  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m at the EMSINA (Emergency Management Spatial Information
>> Network Australia) PDP day as part of AFAC (Australasian Fire and Emergency 
>> Service Authorities Council) 2022 Conference in Adelaide and finding a few 
>> “OpenStreetMap used here”.
>>
>>
>>
>> Feedback from participants I’ve spoken to:
>>
>> The price is right, free!
>> Good coverage of health facilities
>>
>>
>>
>> Uses of OpenStreetMap I’ve not noticed before, mainly background maps
>>
>> Find a police station (SA Police) 
>> https://www.police.sa.gov.au/about-us/find-your-local-police-station (via 
>> ESRI)
>>
>>
>>
>> And oddly an attribution where OpenStreetMap is credited but its SA 
>> government mapping
>>
>> Bus Stop location map https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/stops?id=16490
>>
>>
>>
>> My own observation and I suppose the reason I’m here is there are plenty of 
>> users of our mapping but not much feedback from users as to what they want, 
>> which we are probably willing to map.
>>
>>
>>
>> Alex
>>
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Re: [talk-au] Victorian Government and OSM Attribution

[Adam Steer]

That's great!

On Tue, Aug 23, 2022, 09:46  wrote:

> Hi all
>
> A good news story on OSM attribution. The map at
> https://engage.vic.gov.au/CardiniaCkParklands now shows copyright
> OpenStreetMap. They say it will be right on all maps displayed on
> Engage Victoria. They were glacially slow but we got the results in
> the end.
>
> They stressed the Victorian Government's desire to support open data.
>
> I have contact information for the Department of Premier and Cabinet
> which I am happy to share off list.
>
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Re: [talk-au] Adding river crossings to Guidelines "road quality / 4wd-only"?

[Adam Steer]

A little note to the discussion - the foot/ animal traffic modes = no are
crocodile related, right?

Yes, possible. Recommended? Definitely not according to every google-able
bit of information about the place.

For vehicles I think it's generally worth indicating something about
whether a ford / river needs a proper 4wd. Here I'm thinking of one I know
well, where some ways to the river are easily SUV ok - but you need great
clearance, a lot of grip and a high air intake to make the river crossing.

I hope I haven't misinterpreted the conversation...

Cheers

Adam



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> Cleared a note to add a ford / river-crossing to a road in Cape York:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1025490234, & added both a "ford" node,
> & also changed the actual river crossing to a track with 4wd only & similar
> tags.
>
> Wondering if we should include those sort of details in the Guidelines? eg
>
> 4wd_only=extreme
>
> bicycle=no
>
> foot=no
>
> highway=track
>
> horse=no
>
> motor_vehicle=yes
>
> smoothness=horrible
>
> tracktype=grade8
>
> & possibly even hazard=wild_animals + animals=crocodile!
>
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Re: [talk-au] Proposed features/Snow chains

[Adam Steer]

hei all

first - great idea to map areas where snow chains need to be carried.

In the Australian context:

The season for needing to carry chains is generally fixed, and
corresponds to when park entry fees change (on tarred / main roads
which go to snowfields at least). In my experience its not a subject
decision every day, more like:

'between date 1 and date 2 you are required to carry chains, road A
requires all vehicles to carry chains, road B requires only 2wd
vehicles to carry chains'.

I haven't seen a requirement for winter tyres in Australia, but as a
general principle always bought ones with the snow/mountain mark
anyway :)

Chain fitting bays are usually fixed sites - the variable part is
which ones are in use as chain fitting bays on any given day, so
giving it a conditional flag which indicates 'in winter this might be
a chain fitting bay'  is a great idea.

Anyway, I've scanned the proposal and don't see any issues yet, it
seems generally useful given my experience with snow and ice driving
in Australia (seems paradoxical huh?

hope that helps,
Adam


On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 at 09:18, Andrew Harvey  wrote:
>
>  highway=chain_up_area sounds fine, while these places close/open depending 
> on conditions, many are signposted as chain bays and they don't move, so can 
> be surveyed and added.
>
> I think snow_chains:conditional=required @ ... is very useful to show roads 
> which you may be expected to carry and use snow chains, at least during 
> particular seasons. I can't see why anyone would think this is not a good 
> idea?
>
> Leaving the current situation about if you need to use the chains up to local 
> signage which does change with conditions over time so won't be tagged.
>
> On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 at 18:06, Brendan Barnes  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> For the NSW and Victorian snowfield mappers, user Trapicki has submitted a 
>> comprehensive snow chains proposal:
>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Snow_chains
>>
>> A lot of Aussie chain bays are (incorrectly) tagged as parking lots, so 
>> proposed tags may be useful.
>>
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Re: [talk-au] [FOSS4G-Oceania] Nominations - OSGeo Oceania board election

[Adam Steer]

Awesome, thanks Ewen and Ed.

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On Thu, 19 Nov 2020, 10:25 Edoardo Neerhut,  wrote:

> Dear Returning Officer & OSGeo Oceania,
>
> I am happy to nominate another candidate for the OSGeo Oceania board, *Ewen
> Hill of Melbourne, Australia*.
>
> Ewen Hill is one of those people who contributes an enormous amount to the
> geospatial community while asking little in return. He has been involved in
> almost all geospatial events since I have been in Melbourne, and I am sure
> many before. Ewen is the guy who patiently shows people how to get the most
> out of JOSM or QGIS, working his way around the room to support anyone
> needing help. He's the guy that spends time putting together a map in QGIS
> after an OpenStreetMap event to show the results of a mapathon. He's the
> guy who rocks up at the venue two weeks before to make sure it has
> everything you need for FOSS4G SotM Oceania.
>
> I'm sure he'd bring this same selflessness and attention to detail to the
> board, while being a strong advocate of the open source geospatial tools we
> all know and love.
>
> Kind regards,
>
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Re: [talk-au] Mapping "off track" hiking routes

[Adam Steer]

hey all

Very late to the conversation - and responding to concerns way back when
there were only a few replies - relating specifically to the AAWT and
similar 'untracked' areas, and veering a little onto the terrain of illicit
(or pseudo illicit) trails:

I back Phil and Tony's view here, because I think it is important to listen
to people who have experience with on ground management consequences
arising from lines on maps which maybe should not have been drawn.

I would prefer as a user of OSM and also someone who values unmapped
experiences to leave 'off track routes' unmapped. As well as conforming to
desirable local practice (for example avoiding development of future
management issues), it is respectful to the place and the intention of
encouraging an experience that is ever-more-rare. That last one is super
important for not just trails, but many things. Once a line is drawn on a
map, it tends to get used no matter what ethereal permissions are applied.
Many parks in Australia have not nearly enough people on the ground to 'be
gatekeepers' and it is up to the individual using the area to act within
the intention set by the land managers. So 'closed to you' or 'do not route
here' is often meaningless (or in the least confusing).

To say 'its just data/evidence' is to completely ignore the real world
impact of a (sometimes remote) decision - in this case an 'armchair mapper'
might create years of issues for on-ground managers, and erase an
experience which future travellers might wish to have - which is I think is
what Tony and Phil were getting at. It is also missing critical awareness
of how people behave on the ground - if a line exists in a map, people will
use it regardless of virtual signage.

...so like Phil and Tony, my preference would be to not map any kind of
route in an 'off track' area. Of course this means knowing where 'off track
areas' are... and constant curation.

Finally, as a one-time builder of informal tracks with an 'officially we
can't say yes but informally kinda but don't publicise anything and don't
get hurt' arrangement with the land manager, it would have been devastating
to a long term project should those trails have appeared on any map. 7
years later, it is an asset for a small town... but at the time, having
routes show up on a map of any kind would have killed it right there. I
give this example as another reason to not always map stuff because you see
it, and also that 'if trails are there, people will come'.

I guess take from that what you will - I hope it provides material for an
internal 'think a bit about the dogma of mapping all the things always' ;)

Cheers,
Adam

On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 at 13:20, Andrew Harvey 
wrote:

>
>
>
> On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 at 19:21,  wrote:
>
>> Andrew
>> Thanks, I hadn't considered life cycle prefixes. There might be
>> problems with disused or abandoned if those reopening the trails
>> argued that they used the trail last week so it was neither disused
>> nor abandoned.
>>
>
> I can see the issue, but still hopefully access=no indicating legal access
> should still be able to be used if it's clear enough that access is not
> permitted.
>
>
>> "illegal tracks", the ones I am thinking of are illegal in both their
>> construction and use, if I recollect correctly, the fine for
>> construction is much much bigger than use. Sorry if the description
>> has baggage or is misleading. Re access=no, if I recollect correctly
>> they still display in OSM, only slightly more red. You probably
>> wouldn't notice. I haven't checked data users such as Osmand and Strava.
>>
>
> On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 at 20:43, Phil Wyatt  wrote:
>> An illegal track in a national park is likely to be one that is cut
>> without the authority of the managing agency. It’s a fairly regular
>> occurrence and often the start of increased impacts in ares that may be
>> reserved for conservation rather than recreation.
>
>
> Thanks for the explanation, I didn't think about unauthorised track
> construction, I had assumed these tracks simply formed over time by
> repeated use, which in itself wouldn't have been illegal unless the area
> was closed. Even then a track that was illegally constructed, wouldn't be
> illegal to use unless it was signposted as such.
>
> It's just after hearing park authorities raise concerns about us showing
> un-authorised tracks on OSM, my reaction is usually how are we or anyone
> supposed to know which tracks are authorised and which aren't unless there
> is signage to indicate that.
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Re: [talk-au] vine row tagging

[Adam Steer]

 Hey John

What are the owners of the properties containing vines saying? Are they
fully aware that their farm data will be open for everyone to see?

...and what data/tagging useful to them?

Cheers,
Adam

On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 08:40, John Bryant  wrote:

> So, map the strainer posts on the ends of the rows, rather than the rows
> themselves, and then the end user could use them to interpolate the row?
> That's an interesting idea.
>
> On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 14:33, nwastra  wrote:
>
>> Many vineyards have numbered rows with a tag on the end strainer posts to
>> assist direction of workers, etc.
>> These could be numbered using the addr interpolation scheme and then
>> individual rows would not need to be mapped but does need a close survey.
>>
>> On 15 Oct 2020, at 3:32 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 14:13, John Bryant  wrote:
>>
>>> Looking more broadly, it looks like vine rows haven't been widely mapped
>>> before.
>>>
>>
>> Do you need to?
>>
>> I think it could be automatically assumed that all vineyards have their
>> vines in rows, approx the same distance apart?
>>
>> I noticed vine_row_orientation
>> =* : vine
>> row orientation (in degrees)on the wiki page - wouldn't that be sufficient?
>>
>> For vine *rows* (ie. the linear features within the vineyard), we've had
>>> suggestions of natural=tree_row,
>>>
>>
>> If you were going to put a tree_row on every row of vines, you'd have
>> nothing but a solid mass of them!
>>
>> denotation=agricultural,
>>>
>>
>> Sorry, not sure what you mean with this?
>>
>> and crop=grape,
>>>
>>
>> Marked as being redundant as all vineyards grow grapes! :-)
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Graeme
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Re: [talk-au] [OSGeo Oceania] resignation from OSGeo Oceania

[adam steer]

Hi John

Thanks for all your hard work and steady navigation of many complex issues.
I’m sorry to see you step down, I really appreciate your ‘radical
open-ness’ approach - which I think is critical for this organisation - and
ethical stance. I (selfishly) hope you find the energy to help with the
outreach and comms working group when you can!

Regards,

Adam



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> Hi folks, just a quick note to let you know that I decided yesterday to
> resign from the OSGeo Oceania board of directors. I won't be continuing
> with board business, but I'll continue to contribute as a community member
> however I can.
>
> Looking forward to continuing to work on this awesome community with you
> all.
>
> Cheers
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Re: [talk-au] [OSGeo Oceania] FOSS4G SotM Oceania 2019 tree planting day

[adam steer]

Hi Ed (and all)

Thanks! I’m filling out a filming permission form for 14/15/16 August.

Ideally flights will take place the day before, or early on the same day
before people arrive (weather dependent); it won’t be practical to
undertake mapping missions and comply with CASA regulations while people
are planting / moving around on the site. The day after is there just in
case weather isn’t kind… and we might want to capture trees at the start of
their life as well.

Just had a thought strike me - is anyone in academia listening who wants to
start a project on yellow box woodland development? good opportunity here…
;)

Cheers,

Adam



On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 at 15:44, Edoardo Neerhut  wrote:

> Love your work Adam. And thanks to Tony and Mick as well.
>
> In terms of the pre-planting aerial survey, would you do that on the day
> itself if permission is granted?
>
> On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 at 11:52, adam steer  wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I'm excited to report that the FOSS4G SotM Oceania 2019 tree planting
>> program has been scheduled for 15 August 2020. Here is the Parks Victoria
>> event information:
>>
>>
>> https://www.parkconnect.vic.gov.au/Volunteer/public-planned-activity/?id=c38ff798-914c-ea11-b698-0003ff6f5db4
>>
>> If you want to attend and plant trees, great! You need to register as a
>> volunteer with Parks Victoria using the ‘Register with ParkConnect’ button
>> on the link above.
>>
>> We hope to run some free, volunteer-run mapping events on/around the day.
>> Full details TBA, some ideas are:
>> - conduct a pre-planting aerial survey (subject to Parks Victoria
>> approval)
>> - collect locations of all the trees (potentially also running a hands on
>> QField / Input workshop)
>> - add trees to OSM (along with any other salient features that are
>> missing)
>>
>> Ideally everyone attending will also help plant trees - so please
>> register with ParkConnect if you plan to attend in any capacity.
>>
>> Again, thanks to this community and especially the FOSS4G SotM Oceania
>> organising committee for their moral and financial support. I'd like to
>> specifically thank Tony Forster, who first suggested this project and has
>> done much of the on-ground logistics (getting support of Parks Victoria and
>> linking us up with local organisations / suppliers); and Mick van de Vreede
>> of Parks Victoria, who has help line a lot of stuff up to help this happen.
>>
>> Please feel free to ask any questions by responding to list posts, or
>> contact me directly.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
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[talk-au] FOSS4G SotM Oceania 2019 tree planting day

[adam steer]

Hi all

I'm excited to report that the FOSS4G SotM Oceania 2019 tree planting
program has been scheduled for 15 August 2020. Here is the Parks Victoria
event information:

https://www.parkconnect.vic.gov.au/Volunteer/public-planned-activity/?id=c38ff798-914c-ea11-b698-0003ff6f5db4

If you want to attend and plant trees, great! You need to register as a
volunteer with Parks Victoria using the ‘Register with ParkConnect’ button
on the link above.

We hope to run some free, volunteer-run mapping events on/around the day.
Full details TBA, some ideas are:
- conduct a pre-planting aerial survey (subject to Parks Victoria approval)
- collect locations of all the trees (potentially also running a hands on
QField / Input workshop)
- add trees to OSM (along with any other salient features that are missing)

Ideally everyone attending will also help plant trees - so please register
with ParkConnect if you plan to attend in any capacity.

Again, thanks to this community and especially the FOSS4G SotM Oceania
organising committee for their moral and financial support. I'd like to
specifically thank Tony Forster, who first suggested this project and has
done much of the on-ground logistics (getting support of Parks Victoria and
linking us up with local organisations / suppliers); and Mick van de Vreede
of Parks Victoria, who has help line a lot of stuff up to help this happen.

Please feel free to ask any questions by responding to list posts, or
contact me directly.

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Re: [talk-au] tagging burnt areas

[adam steer]

I’d  personally avoid tagging areas as burnt - they’re temporary and as per
advice from Andrew maybe should be left tagged as their long term state.

Looking around where I am (Benambra and north) there are already a lot of
overlapping/duplicated/whats this for polygons relating to land cover… it’d
be great to avoid adding more.

I guess if people want to add burned areas, my only suggestion is that
whoever does so takes it upon themselves to return and update things later…

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Re: [talk-au] Bush Fire Neighbourhood Safer Places

[adam steer]

Thanks David - seems all the eastern states speak the same language. So
Andrew’s suggestion here:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Bushfire_Places_of_last_resort

...looks good.

Victoria CFA's wikidata entry is https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q13632973

Cheers, and thanks

Adam







On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 at 18:57, David Wales  wrote:

> According to the NSW RFS:
>
> "Neighbourhood Safer Places are a place of last resort during a bush fire
> emergency.
>
> They are to be used when all other options in your bush fire survival plan
> can't be put into action safely."
>
> https://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/plan-and-prepare/neighbourhood-safer-places
>
> On 4 January 2020 6:11:15 pm AEDT, Graeme Fitzpatrick <
> graemefi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 at 12:21, adam steer  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> In Vic these are only used as a last resort. Not sure if 'assembly
>>> point' translates to 'only come here if there are absolutely no other
>>> options, and this place might not be safe anyway'.
>>>
>>>
>>> It seems that 'neighbourhood safer places' means something different
>>> across borders. Can anyone in emergency services comment?
>>>
>>
>> The Qld version is similar
>> https://www.ruralfire.qld.gov.au/BushFire_Safety/Neighbourhood-Safer-Places/Pages/default.aspx
>>
>> "An NSP is a local open space or building where people may gather, as a
>> last resort, to seek shelter from a bushfire."
>>
>>   Thanks
>>
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Re: [talk-au] Bush Fire Neighbourhood Safer Places

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Hi Andrew

In Vic these are only used as a last resort. Not sure if 'assembly point'
translates to 'only come here if there are absolutely no other options, and
this place might not be safe anyway'.

See: https://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/plan-prepare/neighbourhood-safer-places

There are also community fire refuges:
https://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/plan-prepare/community-fire-refuges/

...my reading there is also 'try really hard not to come here, but if
there's nothing else then turn up'.

Could we add a 'place of last resort' tag?

Relief centres, eg:
https://www.eastgippsland.vic.gov.au/Council/News_and_Media_Releases/Emergency_Relief_Centres
https://www.wangaratta.vic.gov.au/emergency/relief-and-recovery

...seem to be council operated...

It seems that 'neighbourhood safer places' means something different across
borders. Can anyone in emergency services comment?

Thanks,

Adam






On Sat, 4 Jan 2020, 11:30 am Andrew Harvey, 
wrote:

> I'm not sure what these are called or look like in other states, but in
> NSW they look like
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/136319147@N08/49324333543/ and they are
> operated by the NSW RFS.
>
> emergency=assembly_point seems like the best tag to use per the wiki
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Dassembly_point "A
> designated (safe) place where people can gather or must report to during an
> emergency or a fire drill Edit or translate this description."
>
> Also documented on the wiki is
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:assembly_point:fire which seems
> fitting.
>
> I'm proposing these be tagged as
>
> emergency=assembly_point
> assembly_point:fire=designated
> operator=NSW Rural Fire Service
> operator:wikidata=Q7011777
>
> could also add description="Bush Fire Neighbourhood Safer Place" or your
> state's equivalent.
>
> Any comments? If this sounds good, I'll document this on the Australian
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Re: [talk-au] Remote mapping of Thredbo and Perisher areas

[adam steer]

I can check in a couple of days, I'm pretty familiar with that region, I
think lots of others here will be also :)


Regards,

Adam

On Fri., 23 Aug. 2019, 21:10 Warin, <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 23/08/19 20:42, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:
> > From memory its rocks and heath, random rivulets hidden under the
> > heath but not wetland
> >
> > He has also been adding glacial lakes that I never new existed Way:
> > 713143979
>
> On the LPI Imagery there is what appears to be water there, but it is
> probably some bush when viewed with Ersi clarity.  Also some 'cliff'
> lines above the 'lake' and no cliff there.
>
> >
> > Tony
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> A German has been remote mapping this area - he has not been there. I
> >> thought he was working the ski season there ... so I let it go.
> >>
> >>
> >> He has mapped some areas as 'wetland'. I have only walked occasionally
> >> here and then not noted any wetland.
> >>
> >> The LPI Base Map shows no wetland here.
> >>
> >> One example Relation: 9919734
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Comments?
> >>
> >> Phase change material
> >> Phase change material
> >> Phase change material
> >> Phase change material
> >> Phase change material
> >
> >
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Re: [talk-au] [FOSS4G-Oceania] Considering future Open Geospatial conferences in Oceania

[adam steer]

hey community

I want to temper this a little with Bruce Bannerman’s recent and very
relevant comments on where OSGeo Oceania and FOSS4G SotM Oceania are at.
The main question being:

‘how many things can we do at once?’

In my mind, a laser focus on bedding in OSGeo Oceania and sorting out all
the wrinkles with respect to OSGeo and OSM chapterhood / board processes /
who the org represents / how to represent people who don’t feel immediately
bonded to the idea is the first community priority.

Yes, since 2017 we’ve had remarkable success and we should aim to keep that
momentum. To use an analogy, I feel this revitalised fast-growing tree of
OSGeo Oceania needs a broader base and deeper roots right now.

We need to establish and broaden our regional connections and volunteer
base.

With that in mind, it’s definitely time to start thinking about a 2020
regional event. I’m sure the OSGeo Oceania board will be looking for
proposals soon!

Those are my thoughts - I hope they’re taken as virtual organic mulch and
well composted manure for the future of OSGeo Oceania, and not cold water….

Regards,

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Re: [talk-au] GHG mitigation and FOSS4G SotM Oceania

[adam steer]

hey folks

waking this conversation up again - there’s some interest from Parks
Victoria around applying funding from a GHG offset scheme to restore yellow
box woodland - which is direct, local and observable.

I started making some calculations here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DGcpUCO6pHhKutoCh8qh1FcIrnXjyYQ_kOEIf5nCnGw/edit?usp=sharing

…using the ICAO flight emissions calculator. So far we’re up to about 48t
CO2 based on my assumptions around who comes from where - and no additions
from south pacific islands yet. If you have any input on those numbers
please add comments.

Next step is to work more on how much money is appropriate for a programme
to sequester 48t of CO2 based on existing offset programmes. Then, have a
chat with Parks Victoria around how far that amount goes.

I’ll add those estimates in the same sheet.

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[talk-au] Fwd: FW: ANZMapS mini conference "Mapping In Action _ Students"

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Hi OSGeo and OSM cartographers - this looks like a great event to try and
get along to, especially if you know students in the game!

Regards,

Adam
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[talk-au] Fwd: FW: ANZMapS mini conference "Mapping In Action _ Students"

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Hi OSGeo and OSM cartographers - this looks like a great event to try and
get along to, especially if you know students in the game!

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A great opportunity for students from any discipline whose work references
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encouraging student participation.



This year we are offering a *$1,000 prize* for the best student
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Re: [talk-au] [FOSS4G-Oceania] GHG mitigation and FOSS4G SotM Oceania

[adam steer]

Martin, I am riding on the shoulders of giants as always :)

Greg, Martin:

...maybe it’s my not so inner socialist: I think responsibility here lies
with the organisation (conference / OSGeo Oceania). We already ask a lot of
community members, the financial burden is likely to be small, it’s less
work to just commit (no extra tito fields, less accounting, good
organisation vibes etc) - especially as an org seeking to represent nations
who are at risk.

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Re: [talk-au] [FOSS4G-Oceania] GHG mitigation and FOSS4G SotM Oceania

[adam steer]

Alex,

Thanks for your in principle support - we’ll get all the numbers lined up
and as per the OSGeo Oceania / FOSS4G SotM Oceania principles, await
funding outcomes. For anyone listening in, the conference budget is fully
committed and relies on surplus to do anything not already budgeted. I’m
 extremely positive that it will be ‘budget positive’ and we can contribute
to some great earth-critical initiatives.

Perhaps we can use this year’s work to add GHG mitigation as an up front
budget item in 2020!

Graeme, thanks for the calculator - I think a good approach is to use a few
and take the median. I’m waiting on numbers from the organisations I’ve
contacted, and will slowly get the modelling done in preparation for a
pitch to the conference LoC / OSGeo Oceania board.

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[talk-au] GHG mitigation and FOSS4G SotM Oceania

[adam steer]

Hi folks

Following from an earlier discussion [1] on osgeo-oceania about offsetting
emissions which are incurred by getting to FOSS4G SotM Oceania, there’s
been a long chat in the Maptime Australia slack channel about creating a
low-carbon conference.

This has also been raised as an issue for the global FOSS4G [2].

The upshot of the conversation is that we’re looking at ways to mitigate
our impact on the planet using something other than throwing money at
offsetters [3].

With that in mind, I’ve sent enquiries to Bush Heritage Australia [4] and
the NZ Native Forest Regeneration Trust [5] about donating an amount to
work toward landscape-scale forest and biodiversity restoration - since
buying acres of maybe-never-planted monoculture is really not a solution
(see [3]).

The idea is that the conference uses some of its budget (amount TBA) to
‘offset’ the event. Since the event is in NZ, the main carbon source is air
travel - so I’ll do some modelling work to estimate travel GHG emissions,
based initially on 2018 attendees and refining as we go.

If you have any useful tools to hand for that task to hand, I’d appreciate
hearing about them (or better! collaboration!). John Bryant already
suggested this one:
https://www.icao.int/environmental-protection/CarbonOffset/Pages/default.aspx

If you know any other ‘boots on ground’ organisations we should consider,
also please let us know.

Regards

Adam

[1] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g-oceania/2019-April/001348.html
[2] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2019-June/005222.html (end
of a discussion)
[3]
https://features.propublica.org/brazil-carbon-offsets/inconvenient-truth-carbon-credits-dont-work-deforestation-redd-acre-cambodia/#162201
[4] https://www.bushheritage.org.au
[5] https://www.nfrt.org.nz


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Re: [talk-au] [OSGeo Oceania] FOSS4G SotM Oceania 2019 - programme outline

[adam steer]

Hi John

thanks for your input, and gentle reminder to explain some thinking:

yes, we’re optimistic that we’ll get a lot of great talk proposals!

There’s a bit of to and fro about more/shorter talks, and fewer/longer
talks. Do we prefer 60 short sharp (15+5) talks or 48 (20+)5 talks?  A lot
of people preferred the shorter format; and we are also looking at ways to
get more people in the spotlight - offering more space to do so is one way
(maybe).

Pretty much a constant in conferences is that there will be be
interruptions as people move between talks; and there’s no avoiding it.
Perhaps we can add some gentle reminders to consider your speakers and
fellow attendees when session hopping at the opening plenary.

On start times - we can’t open the doors to members of the public til 8:30
for a 9:00 start at the moment. However, we also cannot attempt to register
a whole lot of people in 30 minutes on day 1, so the conference start time
was pushed back to allow an hour to get people all registered. On day 2,
the timing is the same because I know I’ll get mixed up if the session
times change.

If we want 30 minute breaks, we need to take time from somewhere - about
the only way I can see is to shorten stream sessions, I’ve added another
sheet which shows 90 minute sessions and half hour breaks.

I don’t see yet how to get things finishing earlier… suggestions welcome,
and we may yet get to open up earlier...

Cheers

Adam



On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 at 05:12, John Bryant  wrote:

> Thanks Adam & program committee, looking great!
>
> The adjustment to having more talks is interesting, I suppose there may be
> a bit of a challenge to fill 60 speaking slots out of an audience of 170,
> but hey, challenges are good! And personally, I'm hopeful we exceed the 170
> target, though it will raise some logistical challenges re: venue.
>
> One of the key messages we got in attendee feedback last year was that
> timing was important, we could have done a bit better, and people found
> movement between sessions frustrating. There were also quite a few requests
> for longer talks, and more time between sessions. The venue layout this
> year might help improve the movement between sessions. But sticking with
> the 15+5 format, we'll need to be really strict on timing to improve on one
> of the key frustrations from last year's event.
>
> On timing:
> - Is a 930am start intentional? Feels a bit late to me, but I acknowledge
> that some people prefer a late start. But will people's attention start
> lagging for the talks late in the day, ie. finishing at 5:40 pm?
> - Are 20 minute breaks between sessions long enough? For some people,
> these are important slots for networking. This is shorter than last year's
> 30 minute breaks.
>
> Cheers
> John
>
>
>
> On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 at 03:29, adam steer  wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> We’d like to share with you our current thinking about the 2019
>> programme, and call for comments.
>>
>> We need to put it all together and run calls for papers and workshops by
>> the end of May - so please spark any debates early! We will close
>>  discussion and move toward a fixed plan at the end of April. Let's say 1
>> May is ‘close the discussion’ date.
>>
>> As a rundown we have:
>>
>> - 2 x 3.5 hour workshop sessions (8 rooms, 16 workshops possible in total)
>> - 60 15-20 minute stream talks (4 sessions, 3 streams, 5 talks each
>> session)
>> - 4 keynotes
>> - a mystery hour on day 2, after the initial keynote. this might be a
>> panel, a very short unconference, a ’state of [QGIS/OSM/… ]’ plenary talk
>> session, or a facilitated community discussion on what we see as prevalent
>> issues in the community. We’d like to know what you think, but also reserve
>> the right to surprise (and we hope, delight) you
>> - a community day, which will be a mix of OSGeo code sprint, mapathons,
>> and other OSGeo / OSM related activities.
>> - various opportunities for breakfasts and informal socialising, as well
>> as an organised conference icebreaker and dinner.
>>
>> These are laid out here:
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17KvFcVn226ay0clCZsBTL0jpbX-4ZMt6nyBfLcF94mE/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> There is a bit of variation from the 2018 formula. We’ve tried to add
>> more session talks; and hope to find a good provocative keynote to end with
>> (in fact we hope to find four excellent and thought provoking / challenging
>> keynotes)
>>
>> Please feel free to comment on the document, respond to the list, or
>> myself, with ideas.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
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[talk-au] FOSS4G SotM Oceania 2019 - programme outline

[adam steer]

Hi all

We’d like to share with you our current thinking about the 2019 programme,
and call for comments.

We need to put it all together and run calls for papers and workshops by
the end of May - so please spark any debates early! We will close
 discussion and move toward a fixed plan at the end of April. Let's say 1
May is ‘close the discussion’ date.

As a rundown we have:

- 2 x 3.5 hour workshop sessions (8 rooms, 16 workshops possible in total)
- 60 15-20 minute stream talks (4 sessions, 3 streams, 5 talks each session)
- 4 keynotes
- a mystery hour on day 2, after the initial keynote. this might be a
panel, a very short unconference, a ’state of [QGIS/OSM/… ]’ plenary talk
session, or a facilitated community discussion on what we see as prevalent
issues in the community. We’d like to know what you think, but also reserve
the right to surprise (and we hope, delight) you
- a community day, which will be a mix of OSGeo code sprint, mapathons, and
other OSGeo / OSM related activities.
- various opportunities for breakfasts and informal socialising, as well as
an organised conference icebreaker and dinner.

These are laid out here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17KvFcVn226ay0clCZsBTL0jpbX-4ZMt6nyBfLcF94mE/edit?usp=sharing

There is a bit of variation from the 2018 formula. We’ve tried to add more
session talks; and hope to find a good provocative keynote to end with (in
fact we hope to find four excellent and thought provoking / challenging
keynotes)

Please feel free to comment on the document, respond to the list, or
myself, with ideas.

Regards

Adam


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[talk-au] OSM CDN cache and AARNet - movement, and request for information

[adam steer]

Hi all

It looks like AARNet are coming to the OSM cache party!

Being academically focussed, they would like a list of researchers who use
OSM and would benefit from the local cache. I’m happy to compile one, so
please feel free to reply off list with:

- name
- institution
- broad project outline
- preferred contact method

AARNet will use the information to help justify the resource. They also
want to write up a news story about it; and work with researchers to ensure
that an AARNet-hosted OSM cache is meeting their needs / making life easier.

I’ll pass the compiled list to Dr Carina Kemp at AARNet; who (or another
AARNet representative) may get in touch with you for all of the above
purposes.

I can’t think of an easy way to make a public self-add list outside of
google docs, so this talk-au thread and anything coming in to my inbox will
have to do. I’m totally open to hearing about a better way to do this, and
happy to share results if you think it’s a great community asset to know
who’s using OSM for what (broadly).

Cheers, and thanks in advance.

Adam

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[talk-au] OSGeo/OSM talk accepted at C3DIS

[adam steer]

hey folks

I pitched a talk about the growing OSGeo Oceania community at the C3DIS
conference (http://www.c3dis.com) and it was accepted as an oral
presentation.

Why? C3DIS is all about computational and data intensive science - and much
of that relies on the geospatial tools and data this community builds and
maintains. So it’s a bit of a PR / community building exercise; and timing
is a couple weeks ahead of the scheduled call for 2019 FOSS4G SotM Oceania
papers. it’s also introducing our new organisation - so some timing is a
bit ambitious.

Title and abstract below, I’ll build a revealJS-based talk here:
https://github.com/adamsteer/c3dis2019 - so please feel free to dump
relevant thoughts as issues; and help shape the conversation we want to
have with the ‘big science computers’ community.

Cheers

Adam

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Title: The open geospatial community in Oceania

Abstract:
The Open Geospatial Foundation (OSgeo) and the Open Streetmap Foundation
(OSMF) have been mainstays in support of; and advocacy for; open geospatial
software and data for many years.

OSGeo supports foundational geospatial tooling used across the eResearch
community - from invisible infrastructure (GDAL; Proj4; pyWPS; Zoo-WPS ) to
prominent user-focussed, user facing applications (QGIS, geonode,
geoserver, geonetwork, leafletJS; openlayers) - to name just a few.

In 2009, an international conference of the OSGeo foundation was held in
Sydney; and after a long hiatus, the community was revived in 2018. The
result was a sold-out joint conference of the OSGeo and OSMF communities
for the Oceania region in Melbourne. This was both an incredible show of
community support, and an incredible showcase of open source innovation in
the region.

…and the momentum continues. By the time C3DIS happens, there will be a
fully-fledged local OSGeo Oceania organisation, aimed at supporting a
regional community of open source geo-developers, geo-users, and
geo-enablers - and 2019 conference organisation will be in full swing.

This talk will be about charting the journey of OSGeo Oceania so far, and
how the eResearch community in Australia and Oceania can engage with,
support, and benefit from this local and global community.

Come and join the party!


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