Wait ... does the OSM community seriously want to call public land managers vandals for attempting to manage access to parts of public land effectively?
This is a publicly archived forum, which land managers may read. It's been raised a few times, and I have no problem raising this again: - OSM have zero control over who renders what downstream, regardless of tags. - the existence of trails in a map infers useability at some point. - continually reinstating trails to a database may incur real world monetary, ecological, landscape and cultural costs, aside from time of people engaging in slow edit wars. Who is OSM is then liable for those costs? - who in the land management community would now feel inclined to join this discussion? It seems obvious the OSM community isn't prepared to listen, only to talk... This thread has been a bit mind numbing. I've tried hard to avoid writing this post, and couldn't any more. There are more important values than a database. Land managers have better things to do that have edit wars. And to repeat, OSM has no control over who renders what downstream. Please respect a land managers decision, or at least ask about it respectfully and wait as long as is needed for a response. They're busy..managing land. With regards, Adam On Thu, Feb 29, 2024, 21:09 Andrew Welch via Talk-au < talk-au@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > As much as we want to wait on them and work with them, there’s probably a > point at which we should treat their edits like vandalism (and just revert > their deletions) until they actually work with us. > > Thanks, > Andrew Welch > m...@andrewwelch.net > > > On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 at 8:13 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefi...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I've yet had no response back from Stephen Stenberg re Slate Falls >> Lookout, after I basically repeated what you all had already said to him :-( >> >> Thanks >> >> Graeme >> >> >> On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 at 10:51, Andrew Welch via Talk-au < >> talk-au@openstreetmap.org> wrote: >> >>> The user who's edits were revered by Frederik has now tagged those ways >>> as access=no, hopefully that means the message is starting to get across to >>> NPWS. >>> >>> They did set some questionable names on those trails though, and haven't >>> replied to a changeset comment asking about those. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Andrew Welch >>> m...@andrewwelch.net >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 at 23:12, Mark Pulley <mrpul...@iinet.net.au> wrote: >>> >>>> There’s probably going to be other examples of NPWS deleting paths. >>>> I’ve just had a look at the Jungle Circuit in Blackheath. This was deleted >>>> by NPWS https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/144648041 - at least >>>> most of it was, a small bridge was left behind near the creek, and the >>>> first part from Rodriguez Pass was left alone. With Rodriguez Pass >>>> currently closed, I’m not able to check it in-person. It was passable in >>>> 2017, with some indistinct sections, so it’s possible that the 2020 fires >>>> and 2022 floods have finished it off. I’ve asked a clarifying question on >>>> the changeset. >>>> >>>> Mark P. >>>> >>>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 8:53 pm, Frederik Ramm <frede...@remote.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> I haven't followed this thread and I don't know if this is relevant to >>>> the discussion but I have just reverted the deletion of a bunch of paths in >>>> Tweed Shire, NSW here https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/147956474 >>>> - the deleter claims to have ties to NPS. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" >>>> E008°23'33" >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Talk-au mailing list >>>> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-au mailing list >>> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >>> >> _______________________________________________ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >
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