Re: [OSM-talk-be] MissingMaps National

[Pieter-Jan Pauwels]

Hi Glenn,

Cool that you want to sponsor the server! 
Regarding OKFN help: We can help with setting up stuff or coach you how to do 
it yourself. 
But we don’t have budget to pay for merch ourselves (big name, small NPO ;)). 

Eg. I can help think on what to provide at the stand Glenn proposes and maybe 
find volunteer to help us man it.

Looking forward to it!

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> On 21 Apr 2016, at 17:15, Glenn Plas <gl...@byte-consult.be> wrote:
> 
> Hey Ben/Pieter,
> 
> I was about to say maybe OKFN can help us.  We really should sell cool
> merchandise @ SOTM 2016, that is a golden opportunity imho.
> 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Merchandise
> 
> And park all the proceedings with OKFN for OSM.be use and be transparant
> on where the money goes.
> 
> I (company) would not mind sponsoring this server in fact in exchange
> for some small PR in the form of attribution. aka: 'Uptimed by xxx'
> 
> Glenn
> 
> On 21-04-16 15:09, Pieter-Jan Pauwels wrote:
>> Hi Ben, 
>> 
>> I’m always up to brainstorm about finding funding. I think financial or
>> non-financial sponsorships always help Eg. Combell who provides hosting? 
>> It is that way we handle such things as well for Open Knowledge Belgium.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> Pieter-Jan
>>  
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 21 Apr 2016, at 13:54, Ben Abelshausen <ben.abelshau...@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:ben.abelshau...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I also think we should start working on getting some basic funding for
>>> OSM.be <http://osm.be>. I'm still paying for website, meetup and one
>>> server every month, it's not much but we should be able to get this
>>> funded somehow. If we can have some basic funding we can also make
>>> other things happen like t-shirts, fyers, and so on. Maybe the
>>> exposure with something like this mapathon and/or SOTM in september
>>> can help.
>>> 
>>> Anyone up for brainstorming/helping with this?
>>> 
>>> Met vriendelijke groeten,
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] MissingMaps National

[Pieter-Jan Pauwels]

Hi Ben, 

I’m always up to brainstorm about finding funding. I think financial or 
non-financial sponsorships always help Eg. Combell who provides hosting? 
It is that way we handle such things as well for Open Knowledge Belgium.

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> On 21 Apr 2016, at 13:54, Ben Abelshausen  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I also think we should start working on getting some basic funding for 
> OSM.be. I'm still paying for website, meetup and one server every month, it's 
> not much but we should be able to get this funded somehow. If we can have 
> some basic funding we can also make other things happen like t-shirts, fyers, 
> and so on. Maybe the exposure with something like this mapathon and/or SOTM 
> in september can help.
> 
> Anyone up for brainstorming/helping with this?
> 
> Met vriendelijke groeten,
> Best regards,
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] MissingMaps National

[Pieter-Jan Pauwels]

Hi Marc, 

Good eye, wrote down the same remark in the Hackpad. Something like 
missingmaps.be  that is rooted in the local OSM.be 
 community would be a good asset to refer people to. 
And @Joost, spamming in my regards, are unpersonal messages pushed through 
bots, advertising and generic email messages that have nothing to do with my 
field of work or interests. 
OSM-be has none of those factors in my regards, so it’s not spamming :). 

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> On 19 Apr 2016, at 09:51, Marc Gemis  wrote:
> 
> Do we have a fixed spot somewhere were we announce new Missing Map
> parties ? The URL of this page should be on a flyer we hand out to
> every visitor. So even when they opt out from your spamming, :-)  they
> can look at that page any time they want.
> I think I missed an opportunity to inform all visitors on how they
> could get informed about similar events.
> 
> Some flyer to hand out (besides the one with the instructions we have
> right now) that has some "What's next ? - How to stay in touch ?"
> content would be nice.
> Could contain links to twitter account, FB page, meetup page, osm.be
> website, mailing list.
> Stuff they could map in their neighborhood, ...
> 
> m.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 8:55 AM, joost schouppe
>  wrote:
>> Pieter-Jan,
>> I often feel like I'm spamming people, but apparently some of the Gent GIS
>> people felt a bit the same as you: why did I know so late (I did contact
>> Thimo much sooner, and Geertrui came, so some information flow was there).
>> So lesson learned: I'll spam till I drop.
>> 
>> All,
>> I'm putting together a hackpad with things to do when a Mapathon comes up:
>> https://hackpad.com/Mapathon-Metainfo-and-evaluation-mlxQ0GwD8lb
>> Please feel free to contribute.
>> 
>> Unless someone has a better idea, I'm going to put all the e-mails from the
>> last couple events into a Mailchimp thing and send an "hi welcome please
>> unsubscribe if you don't want to know about all the cool things OSM be
>> organizes" first mail.
>> 
>> Yes, we do have a talk-be, but that's just a -little- nerdy for a lot of
>> people. I actually met someone - who shall remain anonymous - who works at
>> the VUB, is an experienced JOSM mapper and DID NOT KNOW the State of the Map
>> was coming to his very campus. And he even was accidentally subscribed to
>> the weekly Digest of this mailing list, which is of course perfect if you
>> like an indigestion. (I get my OSM mailing list overload by the message in a
>> label+filter subfolder in Gmail to avoid drowning).
>> 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] MissingMaps National

[Pieter-Jan Pauwels]

Hi guys, just followed up on the conversation. 

I can follow the arguments of Seppe below. Yes, a few media opportunities were 
missed, but still this was a huge achievement for OSM and shouldn’t be 
deminished regarding impact. 
If you look up mapathon on Google (of all places ;)), you end up on OSM. If you 
look at the VTM images you can clearly see Open Street Map on the editor. No 
there hasn’t been a direct mention, but even professional press officers can’t 
control their message completely. 

So it’s good to talk about how things could be better, but I’m sure you’re all 
aware that this was already an amazing campaign. 

Regarding improvements: 
Open Knowledge Belgium can help with promotional stuff like this if you want. 
Giving press-training (press-releasing (text) and press-interviews (video)). 
But also designing and ordering banners, t-shirts, even flyers for that matter. 
And even beyond that, social media training, logistical support… I’m not saying 
we know everything, but if have the in-house experience or know someone, but we 
can see what we can make happen. 

Regarding support I’m partly to blame because I was only aware of this event 
just last week when Joost asked me to write about it on the Open Belgium blog. 
So please feel free to keep Open Knowledge Belgium in the loop so that we can 
see how we can be of service. 

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> On 19 Apr 2016, at 05:20, Marc Gemis  wrote:
> 
> thanks a lot for contacting Belga. Good to hear we now have a contact there.
> Hopefully that person from the university was at the Mapathon and
> learned that we do not use G-stuff. :-)
> 
> m
> 
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 6:14 PM, joost schouppe
>  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> So I contacted Belga. The report was only used by Metro and Zondag. They
>> didn't think anyone else would pick up on it, and did not see any use in
>> correcting it in their own database. I did get a personal contact at Belga
>> we can call next time we do something, who promised to listen carefully that
>> time. And they will also contact Metro to ask and change their article a bit
>> (remove the Google Earth mention). I don't think it's a good idea to share
>> the e-mail here, but I can send it to anyone who requests it.
>> 
>> Apparently, they contacted someone from the university who said something
>> along the lines of "tracing on satellite pictures form the same sources
>> available in Google Earth". And they went from there. So yes, a little
>> press-training might be in order to avoid things like that.
>> 
>> Joost
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] remote work on Mapathon possible?

[Pieter-Jan Pauwels]

Thanks for the quick response!

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> On 20 Jan 2016, at 13:46, joost schouppe <joost.schou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I answered on twitter that all practical info will be shared here:
> 
> https://hackpad.com/The-Missing-Maps-Vredeshuis-Gent-eM6z5ROwVcp 
> <https://hackpad.com/The-Missing-Maps-Vredeshuis-Gent-eM6z5ROwVcp>
> 
> 2016-01-20 13:38 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:marc.ge...@gmail.com>>:
> If you don't need the introduction, you can always work on the same 
> hot/missing maps task, from wherever you are.
> The task can be announced on twitter or ... at that moment.
> 
> You'll miss the fun of meeting other mappers of course.
> 
> regards
> 
> m
> 
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Pieter-Jan Pauwels 
> <pieter-jan.pauw...@okfn.org <mailto:pieter-jan.pauw...@okfn.org>> wrote:
> Hey guys, 
> 
> Just saw this question popping up on Twitter: 
> https://twitter.com/jan_fabry/status/689772166129283072 
> <https://twitter.com/jan_fabry/status/689772166129283072>
> 
> “@AppsForGhent @Stadgent @vredeshuis Kunnen we ook remote meedoen?”
> 
> So it possible? I have no idea :) 
> I’ll be present as well, live tweeting with the OpenBelgium account and 
> participating. 
> I can come and bring a camera to hookup to a Google Hangout if you’d like, 
> but no sure if necessary. 
> 
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[OSM-talk-be] remote work on Mapathon possible?

[Pieter-Jan Pauwels]

Hey guys, 

Just saw this question popping up on Twitter: 
https://twitter.com/jan_fabry/status/689772166129283072 


“@AppsForGhent @Stadgent @vredeshuis Kunnen we ook remote meedoen?”

So it possible? I have no idea :) 
I’ll be present as well, live tweeting with the OpenBelgium account and 
participating. 
I can come and bring a camera to hookup to a Google Hangout if you’d like, but 
no sure if necessary. 

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] missing maps in Gent

[Pieter-Jan Pauwels]

Hallo Joost, 

Ik heb je introductie wat aangepast in de hackpad. 
Indien dit voor jou OK is, zet ik dit snel om in een blogpost met ook wat 
praktische info. 

Mag ik dit onder jouw naam trouwens publiceren en je foto van openbelgium 14 
hergebruiken? 

Groeten,
Pieter-Jan

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> On 14 Dec 2015, at 17:37, joost schouppe <joost.schou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hoi Pieter-Jan,
> 
> 't Is natuurlijk meer dan één alinea geworden.
> 
> https://hackpad.com/Mapathon-Ghent-XcfAOgaaYNV 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] missing maps in Gent

[Pieter-Jan Pauwels]

Hallo Joost, 

Ik vind de praktische info op de osm content page zeker OK!
Alleen inderdaad met iets meer duiding over waarom missing maps, wat kan je 
ermee verwezenlijken (en bijleren voor de beginners). 
Dus iets meer geschreven voor zij die OSM weinig of niet kennen maar wel 
algemeen een open hart uitdragen. 
Als je daar al een alinea van hebt in combinatie met de praktische info heb ik 
al genoeg!

Groeten,
Pieter-Jan


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> On 14 Dec 2015, at 09:18, joost schouppe <joost.schou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hoi Pieter-Jan,
> 
> Wat denk je zelf? :)
> 
> Er is al een Engelstalige pagina i.v.m. het event: 
> http://osm.be/nl/content/missing-maps-mapathon-ghent 
> <http://osm.be/nl/content/missing-maps-mapathon-ghent>
> Maar ik vermoed dat die te veel gewoon praktisch is en gericht op de reeds 
> overtuigden.
> 
> Klopt het dat dat je eerder op zoek bent naar iets dat uitlegt wat voor 
> geweldige open data we allemaal gaan maken, en waarom we dat op deze manier 
> doen? En als ik naar de andere posts kijk, zou ik denken: niet meer dan een 
> alinea of vier. Juist?
> 
> Als je dat bevestigt, zal ik hier wat schrijven/copy pasten van bestaand 
> materiaal:
> https://hackpad.com/Mapathon-Ghent-XcfAOgaaYNV 
> <https://hackpad.com/Mapathon-Ghent-XcfAOgaaYNV>
> En 't is een hackpad - dus, community, welkom om mee te schrijven.
> 
> Groeten,
> Joost
> 
> Op 14 december 2015 09:09 schreef Pieter-Jan Pauwels 
> <pieter-jan.pauw...@okfn.org <mailto:pieter-jan.pauw...@okfn.org>>:
> Hallo Joost, 
> 
> Goesting om een oproep te schrijven in het EN op 
> http://2016.openbelgium.be/blog <http://2016.openbelgium.be/blog>? 
> Sinds vorige week is de website en blog volledig aangepast en voor alle 
> ‘open’ events hebben we daar zeker een plaats voor. 
> 
> Wij kunnen gerust helpen met zoeken van afbeeldingen, proofreading en 
> implementeren. Dus een documentje met de tekst is al voldoende voor ons. 
> 
> Wat denk je? 
> 
> Groeten,
> Pieter-Jan
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>> On 11 Dec 2015, at 17:31, joost schouppe <joost.schou...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:joost.schou...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Mappers in het Gentse,
>> 
>> Bij deze is het helemaal bevestigd, de volgende Missing Maps Mapathon is op 
>> 23 januari in het Gentse. De blogpost staat al online:
>> 
>> http://osm.be/nl/content/missing-maps-mapathon-gent 
>> <http://osm.be/nl/content/missing-maps-mapathon-gent>
>> 
>> Wat nog niet helemaal duidelijk is, zijn de uren. De zaal is geboekt van 
>> 10:00 tot 17:00. Ik twijfel nog tussen beginnen om 13:00, of beginnen om 
>> 10:00 met enkel een mapping-intro en een officieel begin om 13:00. Graag uw 
>> meningen. 
>> 
>> Met de promotiemachine van stad Gent achter ons gaan we allicht meer mensen 
>> hebben dan vorige keer. Vrijwilligers gezocht dus: hoe meer ervaren mappers 
>> in the house, hoe sneller de nieuwkes op weg zijn. Maar ook wie meer wil 
>> doen dan dat, graag!
>> 
>> Heb je nog ideëen over hoe we dit zo goed mogelijk kunnen doen, ken je 
>> iemand die wil sponseren, of heb je promotie-ideëen, laat ze maar komen.
>> 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] missing maps in Gent

[Pieter-Jan Pauwels]

Hallo Joost, 

Goesting om een oproep te schrijven in het EN op 
http://2016.openbelgium.be/blog <http://2016.openbelgium.be/blog>? 
Sinds vorige week is de website en blog volledig aangepast en voor alle ‘open’ 
events hebben we daar zeker een plaats voor. 

Wij kunnen gerust helpen met zoeken van afbeeldingen, proofreading en 
implementeren. Dus een documentje met de tekst is al voldoende voor ons. 

Wat denk je? 

Groeten,
Pieter-Jan
    
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> On 11 Dec 2015, at 17:31, joost schouppe <joost.schou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Mappers in het Gentse,
> 
> Bij deze is het helemaal bevestigd, de volgende Missing Maps Mapathon is op 
> 23 januari in het Gentse. De blogpost staat al online:
> 
> http://osm.be/nl/content/missing-maps-mapathon-gent 
> <http://osm.be/nl/content/missing-maps-mapathon-gent>
> 
> Wat nog niet helemaal duidelijk is, zijn de uren. De zaal is geboekt van 
> 10:00 tot 17:00. Ik twijfel nog tussen beginnen om 13:00, of beginnen om 
> 10:00 met enkel een mapping-intro en een officieel begin om 13:00. Graag uw 
> meningen. 
> 
> Met de promotiemachine van stad Gent achter ons gaan we allicht meer mensen 
> hebben dan vorige keer. Vrijwilligers gezocht dus: hoe meer ervaren mappers 
> in the house, hoe sneller de nieuwkes op weg zijn. Maar ook wie meer wil doen 
> dan dat, graag!
> 
> Heb je nog ideëen over hoe we dit zo goed mogelijk kunnen doen, ken je iemand 
> die wil sponseren, of heb je promotie-ideëen, laat ze maar komen.
> 
> Groeten,
> Joost
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapbox, road completeness, CIA factbook

[Pieter-Jan Pauwels]

Yes, quite interested to hear more about this! 
Would be an excellent topic for a blogpost on openbelgium.be, or osm.be for 
that matter!

PJ

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> On 20 Nov 2015, at 09:51, Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 100% in Germany, The Netherlands, Luxembourg as well. Wonder why the
> CIA thinks there are so many hidden roads in Belgium :-)
> Or (more seriously) why the definition of road would be different for
> Belgium compare to the other countries.
> 
> I cannot tell for Bolivia, but the Belgian roads are similar to other
> Western European countries, so I would expect the CIA to use the same
> definition there.
> 
> On the blog that was mentioned, you find a twitter address to contact
> the Mapbox people. Maybe they can help ?
> 
> regards
> 
> m
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 9:30 AM, joost schouppe
> <joost.schou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think in the CIA's imagination :)
>> 
>> Huge differences like that, I'm afraid it says more about the differences of
>> the definition of what consists of a motor road. For instance, I know the
>> road network in OSM Bolivia to be far from complete as to smaller motor
>> roads, but it's way over 100% of the CIA number. So they probably only took
>> the main road network as a measure. Meanwhile, OSM is mapping roads that no
>> other map has ever mapped :)
>> 
>> 2015-11-20 9:00 GMT+01:00 eMerzh <merz...@gmail.com>:
>>> 
>>> Interesting thanks for the link 
>>> 
>>> but it seems surprising no?
>>> France is at 100% and us at 73? ... it's kind of low no? any idea where
>>> those road are?
>>> 
>>> 2015-11-20 6:52 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> Mapbox made a tool [1] to see how complete the road networks in a
>>>> country are. Belgium got a 73%
>>>> They blogged about it in [2]
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> regards
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> m
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> [1] https://www.mapbox.com/data-platform/country/#belgium
>>>> [2] https://www.mapbox.com/blog/how-complete-is-openstreetmap/
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapbox, road completeness, CIA factbook

[Pieter-Jan Pauwels]

+1

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> On 20 Nov 2015, at 23:46, Ben Abelshausen <ben.abelshau...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> They analyse based on zoom level 12 tiles, a bigger margin of error for 
> smaller countries it says in the blogpost...
> 
> Maybe we can get the source of whatever mikel did and rerun in more detail 
> just for Belgium...
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Ben
> 
> from https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/be.html 
> <https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/be.html>
> 
> total: 154,012 km
> paved: 120,514 km (includes 1,756 km of expressways)
> unpaved: 33,498 km (2010)
> 
> Mapbox:  111,684 km
> 
> 
> https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/nl.html 
> <https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/nl.html>
> total: 138,641 km (includes 3,530 km of expressways) (2014)
> 
> - no mention of unpaved roads there
> 
> 
> It might be the unpaved part, should be investigated further for other
> countries.
> 
> m
> 
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:marc.ge...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > 100% in Germany, The Netherlands, Luxembourg as well. Wonder why the
> > CIA thinks there are so many hidden roads in Belgium :-)
> > Or (more seriously) why the definition of road would be different for
> > Belgium compare to the other countries.
> >
> > I cannot tell for Bolivia, but the Belgian roads are similar to other
> > Western European countries, so I would expect the CIA to use the same
> > definition there.
> >
> > On the blog that was mentioned, you find a twitter address to contact
> > the Mapbox people. Maybe they can help ?
> >
> > regards
> >
> > m
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 9:30 AM, joost schouppe
> > <joost.schou...@gmail.com <mailto:joost.schou...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> I think in the CIA's imagination :)
> >>
> >> Huge differences like that, I'm afraid it says more about the differences 
> >> of
> >> the definition of what consists of a motor road. For instance, I know the
> >> road network in OSM Bolivia to be far from complete as to smaller motor
> >> roads, but it's way over 100% of the CIA number. So they probably only took
> >> the main road network as a measure. Meanwhile, OSM is mapping roads that no
> >> other map has ever mapped :)
> >>
> >> 2015-11-20 9:00 GMT+01:00 eMerzh <merz...@gmail.com 
> >> <mailto:merz...@gmail.com>>:
> >>>
> >>> Interesting thanks for the link 
> >>>
> >>> but it seems surprising no?
> >>> France is at 100% and us at 73? ... it's kind of low no? any idea where
> >>> those road are?
> >>>
> >>> 2015-11-20 6:52 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com 
> >>> <mailto:marc.ge...@gmail.com>>:
> >>>>
> >>>> Mapbox made a tool [1] to see how complete the road networks in a
> >>>> country are. Belgium got a 73%
> >>>> They blogged about it in [2]
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> regards
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> m
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> [1] https://www.mapbox.com/data-platform/country/#belgium 
> >>>> <https://www.mapbox.com/data-platform/country/#belgium>
> >>>> [2] https://www.mapbox.com/blog/how-complete-is-openstreetmap/ 
> >>>> <https://www.mapbox.com/blog/how-complete-is-openstreetmap/>
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[OSM-talk-be] Submit your OSM-BE talk at Open Belgium 2016

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Hi everyone, 

My apologies for the slight off-topic. I’m organising the Open Belgium 
conference 2016, which will, or at least should be, completely community 
driven. 
Until 15 November 2015 everybody can suggest a session for the conference in 
Antwerp on the 29th of February 2015. 

I haven’t seen much OSM proposals, so I though this mailing list would have 
some members who might be interested in suggesting a session. 
You can propose a session on: http://bit.ly/1QftLZf

You can suggest keynotes, workshops, a mapping party, a hackathon, panel, or 
any other format. 
And one tip: This year we’re focusing on local open data and are targeting 
local authorities to come and visit. Is there something they should know or can 
help you with? Let us know!

And if you have questions about the conference or why we’re organising this, 
feel free to reply or email me directly.

Have a great week!

Kind regards,
Pieter-Jan

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Submit your OSM-BE talk at Open Belgium 2016

[Pieter-Jan Pauwels]

Hello Joost, 

Excellent suggestion and something that would indeed be very useful. On a lot 
of ‘open’ topics, their is indeed low awareness amongst government officials so 
a workshop like this would be very welcome. Not just for those government 
officials, but also for volunteers and other working groups that use geodata. 
The more I can promote diversity in open initiatives, the happier I am. 

Does somebody have the time and spirit to propose a session? 
Hosting a session means free access to the conference including food and drinks 
for those wondering. 

Kind regards,
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> On 10 Nov 2015, at 13:20, joost schouppe <joost.schou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Pieter-Jan and community,
> 
> Where I think OSM and local government can help each other is probably more 
> in them using our data than the other way around. For example, for simple 
> webmaps a tool like Umap can help them to publish quick and cheap. On the 
> other hand, the tools they develop would probably be of more use to the 
> world, if they use OSM in stead of data silos. I'm think for example about 
> the ability to crowdsource data within the Antwerp stadsplan, where people 
> start collecting ATM's or pharmacy in a little data island. Or Gent's 
> insistence on building a bicycle route planner that runs on just their data. 
> (just two example I happen to know, I don't want to be pointing fingers)
> The win for us would of course be that data use (beyond simple rendered map 
> backgrounds) drives more people toward mapping.
> 
> So maybe a workshop where you get to play with some of the cooler OSM 
> applications might be fun and useful.
> 
> I can't do this by myself as I'll be jetlagged at the time of the event; 
> flying back home from a trip the Saterday before.
> But if someone wants to do this together, yes please.
> 
> Joost
> 
> 2015-11-10 11:12 GMT+01:00 Pieter-Jan Pauwels <pieter-jan.pauw...@okfn.org 
> <mailto:pieter-jan.pauw...@okfn.org>>:
> Hi everyone, 
> 
> My apologies for the slight off-topic. I’m organising the Open Belgium 
> conference 2016, which will, or at least should be, completely community 
> driven. 
> Until 15 November 2015 everybody can suggest a session for the conference in 
> Antwerp on the 29th of February 2015. 
> 
> I haven’t seen much OSM proposals, so I though this mailing list would have 
> some members who might be interested in suggesting a session. 
> You can propose a session on: http://bit.ly/1QftLZf <http://bit.ly/1QftLZf>
> 
> You can suggest keynotes, workshops, a mapping party, a hackathon, panel, or 
> any other format. 
> And one tip: This year we’re focusing on local open data and are targeting 
> local authorities to come and visit. Is there something they should know or 
> can help you with? Let us know!
> 
> And if you have questions about the conference or why we’re organising this, 
> feel free to reply or email me directly.
> 
> Have a great week!
> 
> Kind regards,
> Pieter-Jan
>   
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] een mapping party in Gent

[Pieter-Jan Pauwels]

Hallo Joost, 

Wij zitten in Gent in de week van 13 juli. Elke avond daar kan gerust in 
aanmerking komen. 
We mogen dan de gebouwen van Digipolis Gent gebruiken voor onze studenten en ik 
denk wel dat we een OSM event mogen koppelen. Zoniet kan ik vragen aan iMinds 
die achter de hoek zitten of we daar geen vergaderzaal of de Start Up Garage 
voor kunnen openstellen. 

Onze studenten zullen zeker geïnteresseerd zijn en misschien zijn een paar 
mensen binnen de Start Up Garage dat ook. 
Wij willen gerust wat mee pushen in de communicatie als dat toch in combinatie 
met open Summer of code kan plaatsvinden. 

Laat maar weten wat jou past en dan bekijk ik de locatie. 

Groeten,
Pieter-Jan

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 On 05 Jun 2015, at 08:35, joost schouppe joost.schou...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Het aanbod van Pieter lijkt mij een offer we can't refuse.
 Pieter, welke avonden komen in aanmerking?
 Ik zou graag  zo snel mogelijk een datum prikken, dan kunnen we beginnen 
 promoten.
 
 Ruben, we zitten dicht tegen de Gentse feesten aan, misschien dat er dan al 
 wel terug wat studenten in de stad zijn? Maar als het nu tegenvalt qua 
 studenten, dan kunnen we het gewoon nog eens opnieuw doen eind september, 
 begin oktober, niet?
 
 Allen, heeft er nog iemand opmerkingen bij het basisidee?
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Local chapter OSMF

[Pieter-Jan Pauwels]

Great news! 

Of course it seems a logical step to link to the OSMF internationally, this 
might create new opportunities, not only in ways of funding OSM-be, but also in 
knowledge and creating a network on a Global and European level. 

I’m not a big hero on legal aspects, but if you can use my help in writing the 
proposal, than good :) . 

PJ

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 On 23 Mar 2015, at 12:31, Nicolas Pettiaux nico...@pettiaux.be wrote:
 
 
 Le Lun 23 mars 2015 12:15, Ben Abelshausen a écrit :
 Hi,
 
 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Will OFKN as a VZW be the local chapter? Will it be a part of OFKN, or a
 new VZW? I guess it needs to be some sort of organisation.
 
 
 Thanks for an actual question! :-)
 
 The plan is that nothing will change, we will still be a working group in
 Open Knowledge Belgium but also a local chapter.
 
 As I read the new requirements of a local chapter this is perfectly ok. It
 used to be the case that we would have to be a seperate VZW focused on
 only
 OSM but that has changed.
 
 +1
 
 I am completely in favor of such a work and I am ready to contribute as
 much as I can
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapper of the month

[Pieter-Jan Pauwels]

For project management you can try: https://asana.com https://asana.com/
For collaboration project we mostly use Google Drive because of the freedom in 
formats. 

Kind regards,
Pieter-Jan

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 On 17 Mar 2015, at 00:39, Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I fairly recently started using it. Not sure if it is suitable for this
 goal, I only work with it for a few months , nice concept.  It might
 work, it surely is intuitive.
 
 Trello is todo list indeed... Maybe that is a better idea than trac.
 
 
 
 On 16-03-15 23:05, Marc Ducobu wrote:
 I didn't get a response from OSM France... do you know trello ?
 
 Should we try trac ? Does exist a server of OSM Belgium where we can
 install trac ?
 
 On 11 March 2015 at 18:51, Marc Ducobu marc.duc...@gmail.com wrote:
 I asked to someone from OSM France if they use such a tool. I'm
 wainting the response.
 
 But I'm ok to use trac that I never use.
 
 How do we organise ourself ?
 
 
 On 6 March 2015 at 21:50, Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be wrote:
 Hi Marc,
 
 Redmine is dreadful to setup in the first place, using nginx + passenger
 it is doable but once you need to apply updates to ruby it goes south.
 I professionally support redmine installs and I hate them, so I like the
 idea a lot but not the software you suggest.
 
 It's fine at first but with some plugins you start to hit the rails/ruby
 versioning issues that make it hell to support and keep it secure.
 
 On the other hand, maybe we can use trac like JOSM does.  The tool
 http://trac.edgewall.org/ might not be fancy, but all I ever need to do
 is run the standalone version behind an nginx webserver and it runs for
 years , written in python.  With the limited resources we have, we need
 some low mainteance thing.
 
 Trac is also nice since it doesn't 'force' a ticket flow, you can just
 invent one that suits you.  It's a project help tool more than a
 ticketing/helpdesk tool like redmine. (which is ok as long as you don't
 have to touch it after a sucessfull initial install)
 
 Greetings,
 
 Glenn
 
 PS: I also feel that all the sudden we have a boost in this community,
 it's awesome and contagious too!
 
 
 
 
 On 06-03-15 21:36, Marc Ducobu wrote:
 Hello every one !
 
 I have the impression that all of us wants to develop the community of
 OSM belgium and I'm happy about it! Moreover it is nice to see that we
 have a reflexion about it.
 
 I like a lot the idea of the 'todo' because some people wants to help
 but doesn't know what to do (sometimes too much emails to read, no
 occasion to talk in real life with others, ...). Redmine (
 http://www.redmine.org/ ) can be useful tool for that (maybe there is
 other tool more efficient, even a page on the drupal site is
 enough...). But I think that the must important step is to have a
 reflexion about the organisation of this todo list because it can be
 very messy and so useless. Maybe we can contact other local community
 to know if they use such a tool...
 
 Also I think that it will be interesting is to have a national meeting
 once a year (or twice). To build a community, it is important to meet
 each others in real. Also it can be a good occasion to motivate new
 people to help us...
 
 Have a nice we.
 
 Marc
 
 On 6 March 2015 at 09:29, Nicolas Pettiaux nico...@pettiaux.be wrote:
 Le jeu. 5 mars 2015 à 21:45, Jorieke Vyncke jorieke.vyn...@gmail.com a
 écrit :
 
 And to Nicolas, it would indeed be nice to have a direct link to all the
 mappers of the month. I'll have a look if I can add a keyword or
 something...
 
 thanks
 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] On Wheels

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Hi Ben,

Excellent :) That’s the nuance I wanted to hear. 
Then we’re on the same page here. 

Good luck in contacting them. 

Kind regards,
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 On 17 Mar 2015, at 12:27, Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Pieter-Jan,
 
 On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Pieter-Jan Pauwels 
 pieter-jan.pauw...@okfn.org mailto:pieter-jan.pauw...@okfn.org wrote:
 So before we start taking out the pitchforks and scream 'stop monetising 
 crowdsourcing', let’s us approach them in an inviting way. See if we can help 
 them in any way and see what their endgame is. Maybe we’ll not be able to 
 help them in short term, but we’ll have a friend organisation and new 
 ambassadors in the long run. 
 
 No pitchforks here, my opinion is my personal one about a hypothetical 
 situation that has not happened yet and will most likely not happen.
 
 I do think that ethics should be independent of ones dependency on funds or 
 business models. If planning out a business model would exempt me of all 
 ethics-related conderations then I think there is a bit of a problem. 
 
 That being said, it is possible that the collection of this kind of data 
 needs to facilitated better than we have done as an OSM-community, and if the 
 needed funding can only come from a business model that keeps the data closed 
 then so be it. But I don't believe that to be the case either.
 
 I also think it's a bad option to keep my opinion to myself because it may 
 offend future partners. I hope we can cooperate with them even when they know 
 of my personal opinion about the matter. Mine may even be different from our 
 community-viewpoint.
 
 I'm also not claiming that any of the above remarks apply to their (future) 
 way of doing things because I have never spoken to any of the people 
 involved. I'm just voicing my fear about the matter because we have never 
 been contacted and part of our community is try to collect exactly the same 
 data.
 
 The obvious next step is to contact them and ask them how we can help them 
 improve open accesibility data. I think we can all agree on that! :-)
 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] On Wheels

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Hey guys, as a OpenStreetMap admirer and community manager by heart I want to 
say this:

As somebody who is also completely dependent on project financing and 
subsidizing: Aside from questioning their ethics we need to consider their 
motivational grounds for not using OSM at this point. From a practical 
perspective, using OSM is a no brainer. From a project perspective OSM could 
ruin their financial non-profit model. 

Just watch the website and see that they have multiple commercial sponsors, 
they probably have had some subsidies as well to make this project happen. I’ve 
heard on news stories that they need to have a deliverable (an app) by April. 
That means they have clear goals and deliverables they promised and need to 
deliver to one or more partners. Maybe they even promised a sustainable 
business model after the release (eg. selling the app). 

This is a lot of pressure for a young organisation like themselves and if then 
some organisation comes round and says: Hey, we have been doing the same thing, 
for free, with no sponsors, but more volunteers than you can even imagine. 
That’s not what they need to hear. Granted that, they should have done their 
homework, and should know about wheelmap.org and OpenStreetMap Belgium in the 
first place. 

So before we start taking out the pitchforks and scream 'stop monetising 
crowdsourcing', let’s us approach them in an inviting way. See if we can help 
them in any way and see what their endgame is. Maybe we’ll not be able to help 
them in short term, but we’ll have a friend organisation and new ambassadors in 
the long run. 

Just me two cents…

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 On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 5:30 AM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com 
 mailto:marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote:
 I assume everybody here knows that there is also an app based on osm : 
 http://wheelmap.org/ http://wheelmap.org/
 Yes, I even tweeted it to them already. I hope they can cooperate with us and 
 let's hope focus is not on monetizing their crowd-sourced data. This would be 
 ethically very questionable in my view, especially when the topic of 
 accesibility is concerned.
 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Call for Venues Open: State of the Map 2016

[Pieter-Jan Pauwels]

Hi everyone, 

Just my two cents on SOTM-2016. 

-Organising Open Belgium 2015 cost OKFN Belgium around 3 months of fulltime 
work as organiser, with two other co-organisers and a communication partner. 
Something like this is even harder if it not your full time job and especially 
when your audience is spread around the globe.
-But having a location and ULB as a venue partner is a great advantage. You can 
use it’s proximity to the NL / DE border as a positive way to show that it is 
strategically located. Having a fixed point like that is good for your 
proposal. 
-Even if most of the organising is done by volunteers, beware that costs pile 
up quickly, maybe it would be wise to contact the people from Karlsruhe (SOT-EU 
14) and Birmingham (SOTM-global 13) to see what their challenges were, what do 
you need to consider ask for a broad estimation of the costs (financially and 
in time / manpower). This will give you a clear vision of what assets you need 
to make this a success. 

If you want help with the proposal let us know :). We can even co-organise the 
whole event if you want, we can see if we can find some commercial funding to 
make this possible. 

Kind regards,
Pieter-Jan

Pieter-Jan Pauwels
Community Coordinator, Open Knowledge Belgium
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 On 12 Mar 2015, at 09:40, Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 We need to be careful not to burn up everybody and make sure we don't 
 overstep on what we can handle. There are still just about 5-8 people willing 
 to contribute in some way so I think it's risky to start doing too much too 
 soon.
 
 I think it's a good idea to organize smaller mapping events, like mapping 
 parties, and then to go for organizing SOTM-2016. Having two 
 conferences/events may be a bit much. I think it's possible to submit a 
 proposal for SOTM-2016 and if it fails we can always try to organize SOTM-EU 
 (maybe with OSM-FR, I heard there have been some vague plans for this) or 
 SOTM-BE.
 
 We should be able to finance this with only sponsors from the OSM-world as 
 has been done in the past. For sure if we get the venue from ULB. I think our 
 priority should be, apart from ongoing mapping parties and meetups, to do 
 this:
 
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2016/Call_for_venues 
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2016/Call_for_venues
 
 And to talk about how/who/when as soon as possible. We can reuse all our 
 efforts and the same group of people that has submitted the proposal for 
 SOTM-EU or SOTM-BE.
 
 I think we need to focus on a clear goal, and SOTM 2016 could be just what we 
 need!
 
 Met vriendelijke groeten,
 Best regards,
 
 Ben Abelshausen
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Call for Venues Open: State of the Map 2016

[Pieter-Jan Pauwels]

Great, 

Check with the ULB, if they have done things like RMLL, FOSDEM and so on, they 
should have a package deal specifically for such events. 
About the dates: It depends on your target audience and local events (Belgian / 
ULB local). So not to close to holiday periods (summer is possible though) or 
when they are other global / EU / Local events attracting the same target 
audience. Having smaller local events to build up to the main event is however 
a smart choice. 

Making this a free and accessible event is something I support you in 
completely. However, it is a big challenge. I didn’t like charging people 130 
euros to go to Open Belgium 15 but even then it wasn’t nearly enough to cover 
for all the costs, even while doubling the amount of sponsors from last year. 
The fact that this was a commercial venue did not help us though. 

Kind regards,
Pieter-Jan

Pieter-Jan Pauwels
Community Coordinator, Open Knowledge Belgium
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 On 12 Mar 2015, at 10:11, Nicolas Pettiaux nico...@pettiaux.be wrote:
 
 Hello Pieter-Jan,
 
 -Organising Open Belgium 2015 cost OKFN Belgium around 3 months of fulltime 
 work as organiser, with two other co-organisers and a communication partner. 
 Something like this is even harder if it not your full time job and 
 especially when your audience is spread around the globe.
 indeed. We have (abelli) the experience with the organisation at ULB of the 
 RMLL 2013. See http://2013.rmll.info http://2013.rmll.info/
 
 -But having a location and ULB as a venue partner is a great advantage. You 
 can use it’s proximity to the NL / DE border as a positive way to show that 
 it is strategically located. Having a fixed point like that is good for your 
 proposal. 
 I am quite sure I can get ULB for a reasonable amount. What would be the best 
 dates ? (question to all)
 
 -Even if most of the organising is done by volunteers, beware that costs 
 pile up quickly, maybe it would be wise to contact the people from Karlsruhe 
 (SOT-EU 14) and Birmingham (SOTM-global 13) to see what their challenges 
 were, what do you need to consider ask for a broad estimation of the costs 
 (financially and in time / manpower).
 
 indeed. Could you please get in touch with these teams and get these 
 informations ?
 
 This will give you a clear vision of what assets you need to make this a 
 success. 
 
 indeed
 
 If you want help with the proposal let us know :). We can even co-organise 
 the whole event if you want, we can see if we can find some commercial 
 funding to make this possible. 
 I would very much like that OKFN Be be a coorgannizer and that, for the work 
 done, you get paid as well as anyone who would like to get paid reasonnably 
 for the word done (and appreciated by the community). But for me, as much as 
 possible, like RMLL and Fosdem, the event must be freely accessible.
 
 Best regards,
 
 Nicolas
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] On Wheels

[Pieter-Jan Pauwels]

Hi everyone, 

I know right! I thought linking to Wheelmap would open up their goals, but they 
just kinda politely answered and that was it. 
I hope my tweet didn’t come across as I just said ‘you’re too late these guys 
are already doing it’.

I would suggest to approach them, yes. 

PJ 

Pieter-Jan Pauwels
Community Coordinator, Open Knowledge Belgium
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 On 12 Mar 2015, at 20:29, Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I attempted the same via twitter, got a reply but not very useful!
 
 https://mobile.twitter.com/WheelsApp/status/566189163356360704 
 https://mobile.twitter.com/WheelsApp/status/566189163356360704
 
 Maybe I should try again and ask for their data?
 
 Cheers,
 
 Ben
 
 On Thursday, March 12, 2015, Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com 
 mailto:sander...@gmail.com wrote:
 Again in the media: http://onwheelsapp.com http://onwheelsapp.com/ (see the 
 VRT news f.e.)
 
 Too bad they seem to use a proprietary dataset to start from. The data is as 
 such closed, and completely depends on the activity of the current team 
 around it.
 
 Sigh
 
 (and yes, I did try to contact them some months ago, but never got a reply)
 
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 Met vriendelijke groeten,
 Best regards,
 
 Ben Abelshausen
 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Call for Venues Open: State of the Map 2016

[Pieter-Jan Pauwels]

Hello all, 

As Ben said, if there is any need in support for organising this, we’d be happy 
to help. 
One of the ideas for the next Open Belgium Conferences was even to have a 
specific main theme (eg. OSM) each year in stead of trying to cover every Open 
Knowledge aspect. 

So feel free to keep me in the loop or to activate me when possible. 

Kind regards,
Pieter-Jan

Pieter-Jan Pauwels
Community Coordinator, Open Knowledge Belgium
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 On 11 Mar 2015, at 11:17, Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Very ambitious, I like the idea lot! That being said I also have my doubts 
 but maybe that should not stop us of entertaining the idea. I also like 
 Julien's idea of doing a SOTM Belgium.
 
 Anyway, you will have my full support in any of these initiatives. I also 
 think that if we would organize the global SOTM we can count on some support 
 from Open Belgium.
 
 Met vriendelijke groeten,
 Best regards,
 
 Ben Abelshausen
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