Re: [Talk-GB] Life Ring - British English
Historically it's always been lifebelt in England. See eg http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/e-brown-survivors-photo.html [http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/images/e_brown.jpg]http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/e-brown-survivors-photo.html Crewman E. Brown and two other Titanic survivors Survivors from the Titanic disaster arrive in Southampton. The centre figure in the photograph is Mr E. Brown who was unable to swim but kept afloat f... Read more...http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/e-brown-survivors-photo.html [http://images.itn.co.uk/images/ITN_Master_blue.gif] PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 207 430 4474 E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com Sent: 16 June 2014 10:30 To: Andreas Goss Cc: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Life Ring - British English en-gb is probably lifebuoy I've never heard it called a life ring - that's too vague a name. Most people would probably refer to it by starting to describe it - one of those red ring things that you can use to help someone who is drowning. On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.demailto:andi...@t-online.de wrote: I'm trying to clean up the emergency tags in the Wiki and found emergency=life_ring as well as some less used other tag combinations with amenity and buoy. Is life ring how it is commonly referred to in British English. Just wanted to make sure it's not literal translation from German and isn't used in the UK at all. Wikipedia lists a lot of different names. I guess lifebuoy is more American? And is it written life ring or lifering? Both correct? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Dlife_ring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifebuoy __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88http://openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88? ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.orgmailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Life Ring - British English
And http://www.scarborough.gov.uk/Default.aspx?page=7573 for a modern usage example. Lifebelts | Scarborough Borough Council A local authority is required to provide and maintain lifebelts next to rivers and waterways in the area. Read more...http://www.scarborough.gov.uk/Default.aspx?page=7573 [http://images.itn.co.uk/images/ITN_Master_blue.gif] PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 207 430 4474 E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: Barnett, Phillip Sent: 16 June 2014 10:37 To: Richard Mann; Andreas Goss Cc: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail) Subject: RE: [Talk-GB] Life Ring - British English Historically it's always been lifebelt in England. See eg http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/e-brown-survivors-photo.html [http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/images/e_brown.jpg]http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/e-brown-survivors-photo.html Crewman E. Brown and two other Titanic survivors Survivors from the Titanic disaster arrive in Southampton. The centre figure in the photograph is Mr E. Brown who was unable to swim but kept afloat f... Read more...http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/e-brown-survivors-photo.html From: Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com Sent: 16 June 2014 10:30 To: Andreas Goss Cc: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Life Ring - British English en-gb is probably lifebuoy I've never heard it called a life ring - that's too vague a name. Most people would probably refer to it by starting to describe it - one of those red ring things that you can use to help someone who is drowning. On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.demailto:andi...@t-online.de wrote: I'm trying to clean up the emergency tags in the Wiki and found emergency=life_ring as well as some less used other tag combinations with amenity and buoy. Is life ring how it is commonly referred to in British English. Just wanted to make sure it's not literal translation from German and isn't used in the UK at all. Wikipedia lists a lot of different names. I guess lifebuoy is more American? And is it written life ring or lifering? Both correct? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Dlife_ring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifebuoy __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88http://openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88? ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.orgmailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] NPE data
Paul, NPE maps were the first backgrounds for the editors other than some quite low res Yahoo imagery of the UK, so people used them for mapping streams/rivers/woods etc back in the day. As you have noticed, they don’t necessarily relate to modern streams – they may have dried up or been culverted/piped long since. They are all over 50 years old, (for copyright reasons) after all. Yes, if the facts on the ground have changed, then the stream needs to be moved, or removed. No process needed, just use an editor. Note – only remove NPE tagged items if you know they have changed – don’t just do a mass-remove! (That’s in the unlikely event you were planning to write a bot to remove them all!) Phil [http://images.itn.co.uk/images/ITN_Master_blue.gif] PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 207 430 4474 E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: Paul Churchley [mailto:p...@churchley.org] Sent: 06 October 2013 16:57 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] NPE data I have come across some data tagged as source=npe. I know what the NPE maps are but my question is a bit of a newbies one... why is NPE data mapped on OSM if it is so old? I have just mapped an area for a customer of mine and there is a stream mapped running right through the centre of his property. It is tagged source=npe. The stream is no longer there and hasn't been for the 20 or so years he has owned the property. The old stream is showing up on OSM rendered tiles. His properly is a caravan site and so it would be good if his property did not have a stream that no longer exists running through it as it suggests that it might flood... which it doesn't. What is the situation regarding npe data? Can it be removed? Obviously I would just remove it!!! But is there is a process to get it removed? If it is to be kept, then how can we get the OSM tiles rendered without it showing this old stream? I can see that some specialist tiles might want to show old data like this but I wouldn't have thought it appropriate that normal OSM tiles would need to show this old data would it? Any help would be appreciated. Paul Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] NPE data
+1 -Original Message- From: Philip Barnes [mailto:p...@trigpoint.me.uk] Sent: 06 October 2013 18:42 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] NPE data I tend to see an NPE tag as something that needs attention. A lot of the area, where I now live, North Shropshire, was armchair mapped using NPE maps. That includes a lot of roads, I am getting through resurveying them but even today I found one that according to my GPS was 50m from where it should be. In the case of a road I see it as an indication that there is a road there (somewhere), or it may be a dirt track, NPE did not show the difference and I have re-tagged quite a few of these. Phil (trigpoint) On Sun, 2013-10-06 at 16:23 +, Barnett, Phillip wrote: Paul, NPE maps were the first backgrounds for the editors other than some quite low res Yahoo imagery of the UK, so people used them for mapping streams/rivers/woods etc back in the day. As you have noticed, they don’t necessarily relate to modern streams – they may have dried up or been culverted/piped long since. They are all over 50 years old, (for copyright reasons) after all. Yes, if the facts on the ground have changed, then the stream needs to be moved, or removed. No process needed, just use an editor. Note – only remove NPE tagged items if you know they have changed – don’t just do a mass-remove! (That’s in the unlikely event you were planning to write a bot to remove them all!) Phil PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 207 430 4474 E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: Paul Churchley [mailto:p...@churchley.org] Sent: 06 October 2013 16:57 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] NPE data I have come across some data tagged as source=npe. I know what the NPE maps are but my question is a bit of a newbies one... why is NPE data mapped on OSM if it is so old? I have just mapped an area for a customer of mine and there is a stream mapped running right through the centre of his property. It is tagged source=npe. The stream is no longer there and hasn't been for the 20 or so years he has owned the property. The old stream is showing up on OSM rendered tiles. His properly is a caravan site and so it would be good if his property did not have a stream that no longer exists running through it as it suggests that it might flood... which it doesn't. What is the situation regarding npe data? Can it be removed? Obviously I would just remove it!!! But is there is a process to get it removed? If it is to be kept, then how can we get the OSM tiles rendered without it showing this old stream? I can see that some specialist tiles might want to show old data like this but I wouldn't have thought it appropriate that normal OSM tiles would need to show this old data would it? Any help would be appreciated. Paul Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Historic Maps - Can you help?
There’s a National Library of Wales too, also with a large map collection … No idea about their access policy though. http://www.llgc.org.uk/index.php?id=introduction3 Phillip [http://images.itn.co.uk/images/ITN_Master_blue.gif] PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 207 430 4474 E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: Steven Horner [mailto:ste...@stevenhorner.com] Sent: 13 July 2013 18:19 To: Rob Nickerson Cc: histo...@openstreetmap.org; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Historic Maps - Can you help? I've used the NLS maps a lot and wish there were more maps from England available. Obviously this isn't a priority for them but would happily help in anyway I can. I have looked at their online georeferencer but almost all are done. It's a shame the English equivelant aren't as open. Steven On 13 Jul 2013 12:51, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.commailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I have been speaking with the National Library of Scotland (NLS) about their large collection of historic maps. Currently they provide a online collection of historic maps as set out on their website [1]. Some of these are georeferenced and can be used in OSM [2]. There is lots more left to scan and georeference!! (Not all of them are Scotland maps, in fact there are many non-UK maps too). Question: Is anyone interested in helping georeference historic maps? The process is quite simple - NLS will do the scanning for us, we just need to follow the georeferencing guide [3] using a suitable piece of software such as QGIS (free). If you are interested in helping, what maps would you like to see? I am thinking maybe detailed Town Plans*, but we could also look at some emerging places maps (e.g. Antarctica). Regards, Rob *) Some Scottish Town Plans have already been scanned and just need georeferencing: http://maps.nls.uk/towns/index.html [1] http://maps.nls.uk/ [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/National_Library_of_Scotland [3] http://geo.nls.uk/urbhist/guides_georeferencing.html ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.orgmailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] railway:historic=rail
PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 207 430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: Lester Caine [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk] Sent: 13 May 2013 12:56 To: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] railway:historic=rail . BR is unlikely ever to do that and the information is not visible on the ground, but it is available information. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL They certainly are unlikely ever to do that. Unless this lot succeed .. http://www.bringbackbritishrail.org/ :-) Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] [OHM] Fwd: Aerial Photographs
Ahem, just to be accurate. It's the Bodleian Library, not Bodelian. Unless there's another one? [http://images.itn.co.uk/images/ITN_Master_blue.gif] PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 207 430 4474 E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: Andy Robinson [ajrli...@gmail.com] Sent: 05 April 2013 16:28 To: 'Mikel Maron'; 'Steve Doerr'; histo...@openstreetmap.org; Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] [OHM] Fwd: Aerial Photographs Hi Mikel, should have some more info on the Sheffield holding (photos and description) either over the w/e or in a weeks time. I’m expecting them to be mostly boxed sets and the coverage mainly focussed on northern England. Useful to know about your Bodelian experience. Cheers Andy From: Mikel Maron [mailto:mikel_ma...@yahoo.com] Sent: 05 April 2013 16:20 To: Steve Doerr; histo...@openstreetmap.org; Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OHM] Fwd: [Talk-GB] Aerial Photographs Amazing. Sounds like a similar cache to what's held at Bodelian in Oxford. This collection of images was acquired by RAF over British Colonies, and other nations, in order to make ordnance survey maps. There's over 500K images there. I've explored it once, and found/scanned/composited/georeferenced/tiled Nairobi from 1961. As it was just 50 years, it was out of copyright (copyright in the case of these images is presumably owned by the country they were acquired in, even if they were then a colony). Did a short presentation on this a couple weeks ago. http://files.groundtruth.in/presentations/geodc-historic/#17 My thinking around next step was something like a Kickstarter to do 10 more global, out of copyright cities, and build a site to start distributing and promoting the imagery. It's really amazing stuff, a time machine. Excited to see what's in the Sheffield cache. Also, we might be able to ask for guidance on storage from the Bodelian, they were very helpful when I was working with the archive. -Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron From: Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.commailto:doerr.step...@gmail.com To: histo...@openstreetmap.orgmailto:histo...@openstreetmap.org histo...@openstreetmap.orgmailto:histo...@openstreetmap.org Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 6:08 AM Subject: [OHM] Fwd: [Talk-GB] Aerial Photographs Given the 'historic' nature of this material, I thought I would copy this here. Steve Original Message Subject: [Talk-GB] Aerial Photographs Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 10:54:04 +0100 From: Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.commailto:ajrli...@gmail.com To: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.orgmailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Folks, Sheffield University has some surplus aerial imagery that could be available to us if we wish to have it. Its described as a considerable collection (amounting to around 6 filling cabinets) of UK (mostly England, and mainly northern England) black white 9 x 9 photographic prints, dating from around WWII to the early 1980s. There are a few index sheets, many of the boxed sets are labelled. I've asked for some more details so that we might consider storage requirements (They are currently temporarily stored in a garage but need to be in a dry low humidity room really) and should get some photos of what it all looks like in the next few days. In the meantime two questions for UK OSMers: 1. Do you think this is a resource that we should go for and build upon as a sub-project within OSM? 2. How should we best deal with physical storage until such time as items can be digitised. The question about what to do with documents (same applies to all the map sheets I have) after digitising can be left till a later date. I'm less worried about scanning and managing the files now as I have sufficient scanning equipment to cover most bases and disk space attached to an OSM sever doesn't appear to be an issue. We would need to come up with tools and methods of turning them into a seamless mosaic but I'm sure given the task there's a workable solution for that too. All thoughts, suggestions and offers welcome. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.orgmailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Historic mailing list histo...@openstreetmap.orgmailto:histo...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/historic No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3267 / Virus Database: 3162/6224 - Release Date: 04/04/13 Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent
Re: [Talk-GB] Hampshire Vandalization - No Bere Forest?
Off -topic --- Apparently it's not been a good year for bluebells - wrong kind of spring. -Original Message- From: Robert Norris [mailto:rw_nor...@hotmail.com] Sent: 13 April 2012 19:39 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Hampshire Vandalization - No Bere Forest? Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 03:27:31 +0100 From: openstreet...@jordan-maynard.org To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Hampshire Vandalization - No Bere Forest? On 29/03/2012 19:30, Robert Norris wrote: I've just noticed Bere Forest (and trails) has been wiped from the map: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.91178lon=-1.15578zoom=15 It's literally empty space! Probably most where Andy Steets initial trials, but he's agreed so was there some over zealous deletion by some one? Unfortunately the history service contains to many world edits to be of use, and the general OSM history is quit slow at the moment. I think user monxton has tried to repair stuff. If it helps, I don't mind if you revert my changesets to get back to a better place. I reinstated the roads, but clearly there's a lot more that went missing too. This afternoon I went to the Forest of Bere in search of Bluebells as recommended by the Woodland Trust website [1] However it didn't live up to it's 5 star rating, but it was quite nice nevertheless - maybe I'm a bit late for Bluebells - there were some but not that many. So I've had a good wander and should be able to redo most main tracks (there's also loads of little paths - which where never in before anyway - not that I walked many of them). What's all nice is the Forestry Commission allow you to cycle on *all* paths, and horse riding is by permit only (tag as 'horse=permit' ?) I'll remap it time permitting tomorrow morning (out and about tonight) plus fixing the longer routes that go through it from previous outings / and renewed knowledge. I didn't go to the north parts of the Upperford Copse section though. [1]http://visitwoods.org.uk/en/visit-woods/Pages/get-involved.aspx ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Government summit on road data
http://www.dft.gov.uk/news/stories/dft-news-20120306/ Some interesting developments ““The summit will see a plan of action agreed to ensure motorists are given the best possible directions and help prevent huge lorries from being sent down narrow country lanes and through small villages. “This is timely because from next month we are allowing local authorities to reclassify roads – ensuring A roads are placed where they want traffic to run and lowering the category of road in places they want traffic to avoid – rather than having to come to Whitehall for approval. These powers will help councils make sure that drivers are using suitable routes.” “ [http://images.itn.co.uk/images/ITN_Master_blue.gif] PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 207 430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Example of OSM National Turst property map?
Wicken Fen http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.30848lon=0.28945zoom=15layers=M and http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.23605lon=0.23894zoom=16layers=M Anglesey Abbey and http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.22564lon=-4.09334zoom=17layers=M Penrhyn Castle PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 207 430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: Derick Rethans [o...@derickrethans.nl] Sent: 01 February 2012 00:10 To: Fozy 81 Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Example of OSM National Turst property map? On Tue, 31 Jan 2012, Fozy 81 wrote: Anyone know of a good example of National Trust property mapped in detail? I've done a few: http://osm.org/go/erUaVMKzv-- (Godolphin) http://osm.org/go/evoQXgbNl- (Nostell Priory) http://osm.org/go/euK~bjiHP-- (Barrington Court) cheers, Derick -- http://derickrethans.nl | http://xdebug.org Like Xdebug? Consider a donation: http://xdebug.org/donate.php twitter: @derickr and @xdebug ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Turner's Island, Hickling Broad, Norfolk
This shows it nicely. http://www.panoramio.com/photo/11569018 There's a narrow channel between it and Rush Hill, so it needs redrawing on the map to make it an island. Phillip PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 207 430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: Andy Mabbett [mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk] Sent: 29 January 2012 23:12 To: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Turner's Island, Hickling Broad, Norfolk Does anyone know the location of Turner's Island, Hickling Broad, Norfolk, referred to in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Turner_(photographer)? Another source has it in the south-east of Hickling Broad, next to Rush Hill, still known by local fishermen as Turner Island as late as the 1960s. I'd like to add it to the map and include its coordinates in the Wikipedia article. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Naptan Imports
It's so they can close an unprofitable bus route due to 'lack of usage by customers' :-) PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: Chris Hill [mailto:o...@raggedred.net] Sent: 24 November 2011 11:03 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Naptan Imports Hail ride can be a great idea both on a housing estate and in some rural areas. A CUS stop is not really like this. A CUS stop is a single place that a bus will stop, sometimes in an isolated place, sometimes near another stop, but without a sign to say so. I have surveyed a couple of thousand bus stops both in a city and in rural areas and the point of having a bus stop without a sign continues to escape me. -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly On 24/11/11 10:27, Kev js1982 wrote: Preston bus (used?) to operate on a hail and ride basis - i.e. it would stop anywhere on the estates to pick people up and set them down - in reality this became a few set places (i.e. where the footpath was paved up to the road edge rather than having a grass verge) but still rather handy actually! the set down places still seam to be used but the pick up places are all bus stop a now (however there are more than there used to be - most installed where people used to hail and ride). Seams to be a sensible idea for a new build estate - put the paths and bus stops where the people want then! Also a couple of buses a day were extended past the terminus so there was a customary stop opposite the terminus (now signed on the route I know best as its no longer a terminus for most services!). On Nov 24, 2011 9:22 AM, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net mailto:o...@raggedred.net wrote: Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com mailto:gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Also, in my opinion, unmarked bus stops are a daft concept to begin with, seemingly dreamed up to make life harder than it needs to be! +1 Why would you have a stop without a sign as a deliberate strategy? It completely defies the idea of bus stops being marked as a place to wait knowing a bus will stop there. -- Cheers, Chris (osm:chillly) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging Historic Features
On the other hand, Cambridge University Press and Fowlers Modern English (my personal bible) prefer -ise, as does the entire British newspaper/mass media industry. Scientific and academic publications seem to prefer -ize. So I guess the question is whether OSM wants to aspire to 'academic' credentials, or English mainstream cultural credentials. Phillip PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: Steve Doerr [mailto:doerr.step...@gmail.com] Sent: 27 October 2011 13:29 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging Historic Features On 27/10/2011 10:57, Graham Jones wrote: I always think of Civilization being an American spelling Oh, that old chestnut! No, not at all. For verbs in -ize/-ise (and hence derived nouns in -ization/-isation), -z- has long been the preferred spelling for such scholarly British publishers as the Oxford University Press - including in the great Oxford English Dictionary (published from 1888 onwards). -- Steve ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Loch Lomond National Park sorry for 'Giro Bay' map
There are no buildings there, according to the OS, and I can't see any buildings on Google Earth photos. The bay is between some wooded islands in the middle of nowhere. It's a peculiar story. There are some boats visible - maybe there are houseboats there PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: Andy Allan [mailto:gravityst...@gmail.com] Sent: 10 March 2011 17:47 To: Dave F. Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Loch Lomond National Park sorry for 'Giro Bay' map On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 09/03/2011 13:51, Ed Avis wrote: These maps will probably become collector's items: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-12684156 Excuse my ignorance, but why would 'Giro Bay' be derogatory? It implies the people living there are unempoloyed / on benefits. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giro#Cultural_significance Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Incorrect use of OS VectorMap District when mapping?
I don't think you can infer OS methodology from comparison of OS and Bing photographs of rivers. Rivers are not static objects - they move laterally over time, unless confined by concrete, in towns etc. In the countryside they will migrate backwards and forwards by possibly many hundreds of metres over a few decades. Compare parish boundaries with Bing imagery, you'll see inexplicable bulges in the line, where they diverge from rivers, and then rejoin downstream. PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: Michael Collinson [mailto:m...@ayeltd.biz] Sent: 09 March 2011 11:57 To: 'Talk GB' Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Incorrect use of OS VectorMap District when mapping? At 12:32 10/02/2011, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: Henry Gomersall [mailto:h...@cantab.net] wrote: Sent: 10 February 2011 11:07 AM To: Peter Miller Cc: Talk GB Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Incorrect use of OS VectorMap District when mapping? On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 10:30 +, Peter Miller wrote: On reflection possibly we should use river-bank as that has more information in it, but recommend that anyone importing does a 'bridge cleanup' at the same time. This is an area I'm actually really interested in (for rural rivers) and keen to contribute. So far I've been put off by exactly this problem. Is a reasonable approach to use the OS data for river edges and then fill in the gaps (bridges etc) with OSM data? +1 If the OS vector data is only assumed to be the banks and the additional data for flow direction, bridges and other features are added from survey/BING etc then we should end up with a very functional dataset. A late response to this thread, but a word of caution. Comparing Bing imagery recently for several Yorkshire rivers with folk's riverbanks derived from OS data indicates that very frequently the OS are not tracing the riverbank as the dividing line between water (clear river channel) and land (grass, scrub) but the top of the riverbank or where the rough verge meets pasture land. Mike ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?
+1 PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: Richard Fairhurst [mailto:rich...@systemed.net] Sent: 03 February 2011 10:15 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot? Peter Miller wrote: Any thoughts? Very, very sceptical. We are slowly coming out of a dismal winter and getting back into the season when we can do real surveying. That is, and always will be, OSM's strength. If a bot can fix OSM by mashing it up with OS data, it can just as easily post the result to a third-party server without interfering with OSM. There is ample evidence that imports delay, or stop, the development of a mapping community. It is not enough to say a local mapper approved it - well-intentioned but rogue local mappers can seriously foul up an area, as plenty of people here can testify. If you merely want complete, (largely) accurate OS data but with the advantages of the OSM toolset, it is trivial to process VectorMap or Meridian2 into .osm files and run your favourite OSM utilities over them. Speaking locally: If anyone were to propose running this on the West Oxfordshire/Cotswolds area I would revert it as a matter of course, _unless_ very good reasons had been agreed in advance on the oxon-cotswolds@ mailing list. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Adding-a-further-250-000-UK-roads-quickly-using-a-Bot-tp5986539p5988237.html Sent from the Great Britain mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Kick on IE setup
Works fine on IE8 for me at work. Apart from a consistent weird glitch when I've just switched from Edit mode to View mode - then I just get a blank screen until I select a different base layer from the + button at right. After that it's OK. PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Lester Caine Sent: 08 January 2011 13:22 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Kick on IE setup Can anybody give me a kick where to look to get OSM displaying in IE8 ... I've got a 'friend of a friend' machine in which we sorted out the mess on the network side and it does now at least connect to the internet. OSM is working fine on firefox, and I'm going to suggest they simply disable IE8 anyway ... it was installing it that cause all the agro ... but even dropping back to IE6 now I'm not getting anything with OSM, yet javascript and everything else seems to be enabled correctly. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Gun Location Sensors
Their Google map (link below) puts Birmingham somewhere in the North Sea off Lowestoft! Let's hope their gunshot plotting is more accurate! PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) Sent: 13 December 2010 15:41 To: 'Jeffrey Martin'; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Gun Location Sensors And ShotSpotter's website confirms Birmingham as an installation location: http://www.shotspotter.com/solutions/locations.html Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Martin Sent: 13 December 2010 2:36 PM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Gun Location Sensors I googled and found that the brand name is Secures. I also found this article with a picture. http://media.www.jhunewsletter.com/media/storage/paper932/news/2009/ 12/03/NewsFeatures/Gun-Detection.Sensors.Installed.Around.City- 3845405.shtml This article says they may be disguised as vents or bird houses. http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/fs000201.pdf On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: Peter Millar wrote: Sent: 12 December 2010 5:40 PM To: Jonathan Bennett Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Gun Location Sensors I don't know if this is what Birmingham is using: http://gizmodo.com/5489449/tiny-sensor-listens-for-gunshots-identifyi ng- the-gun-and-location If so, it doesn't look like verifying on the ground is going to be very practical. The area covered by the system would be more interesting if it were obtainable. The news items I saw were referring to triangulation methods so perhaps they have gone for some other system than these clever devices. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- Jeffrey John Martin dogs...@gmail.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3312 - Release Date: 12/12/10 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source WAS The last 2%
Massive +1 (at the risk of being recursive) PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: Tom Chance [...@acrewoods.net] Sent: 23 August 2010 08:55 To: Barnett, Phillip Cc: David Groom; Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source WAS The last 2% On 22 August 2010 20:52, Barnett, Phillip phillip.barn...@itn.co.ukmailto:phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk wrote: Potlatch is still offering Opendata as a layer, with no warning as to the potential problem vis a vis existing contributions. Shouldn't we be dropping this rather quickly? Quite! Also, why is it on the wiki without a massive red font warning? Why did the announcement about the new terms not include a very clear line on this for all UK contributors? Why has a clear announcement about this problem not gone out on opengeodata, the announce list, this list, etc. from the OSM Foundation? I have been contributing stacks of data using the OS StreetView data on the assumption that - having been discussed, put on the wiki and into Potlatch, it was OK. Now I hear from Etienne that I might have to drop out of OpenStreetMap because my user account may not be compatible with the new terms, and that I cannot agree to those new terms with which I agree? If true, this is a bit crazy. Regards, Tom Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source WAS The last 2%
I've been mapping off and on since April 2006, and I've contributed approximately 1320 changesets in that time. Only three of which include OS data. Are all my contributions going to be rejected? I have not, as yet, signed up to the new CTs, though was intending to. I'm now not touching OS data - but is it too late? Surely it's just a question of removing the 'tainted' changesets? Or, to be safe, all the changesets I've contributed since the OS data became available? [http://www.itn.co.uk/images/ITN_Master_blue.gif] PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UKhttp://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of 80n Sent: 22 August 2010 18:41 To: David Groom Cc: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source WAS The last 2% On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 3:23 PM, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.netmailto:revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: - Original Message - From: Kevin Peat ke...@kevinpeat.commailto:ke...@kevinpeat.com To: Robert Whittaker (OSM) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.commailto:robert.whittaker%2b...@gmail.com; Talk-GB@openstreetmap.orgmailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source WAS The last 2% However, that doesn't change the fact that the OS OpenData license is incompatible with the contributor terms, and DbCL, and quite possibly ODbL too. I thought this was still to be confirmed? It may not be that important to townies but there is a lot of value in the OS data for rural mappers (woods, streams, rivers, coastline, etc.) and it is a crucial issue for me. It is still to be confirmed. The situation at the moment is there is no guarantee that OS OpenData is compatible with the CT's. Hence if you currently contribute anything based on OS OpenData to OSM you run the risk that you will be prevented from contributing to OSM in the future. To be clear about this, you can still continue to contribute OS OpenData to OSM providing you have not, and do not, agree to the new contributor terms. If you have already contributed content derived from OS OpenData then you cannot and should not agree to the contributor terms as they currently stand. Your contributions will not be lost because there will probably always be a place where these contributions continue to be editable and available under CC-BY-SA. This may not be OSM but it is likely there will be sites that continue to maintain CC-BY-SA licensed content. I am aware that the LWG have been considering the matter since at least 8 June [1] , but that as 17 August they have yet to ask legal counsels opinion on this [2]. David Kevin [1] https://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_67f465m4cd [2] https://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_77rbr8fgfw ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.orgmailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source WAS The last 2%
Thanks 80n and David, Potlatch is still offering Opendata as a layer, with no warning as to the potential problem vis a vis existing contributions. Shouldn't we be dropping this rather quickly? Phillip -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of David Groom Sent: 22 August 2010 20:30 To: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source WAS The last 2% - Original Message - From: Barnett, Phillip phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk To: '80n' 80n...@gmail.com; David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net Cc: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 8:06 PM Subject: RE: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source WAS The last 2% I've been mapping off and on since April 2006, and I've contributed approximately 1320 changesets in that time. Only three of which include OS data. Are all my contributions going to be rejected? I have not, as yet, signed up to the new CTs, though was intending to. I'm now not touching OS data - but is it too late? Surely it's just a question of removing the 'tainted' changesets? Or, to be safe, all the changesets I've contributed since the OS data became available? Arguably it is too late, if you take a strict interpretation of the CT's and their preamble. The preamble states you accept the terms of this agreement for your existing and future contributions. You have an 3 existing contributions (changesets) which include OS data, and so technically you cant agree to the CT's. Even if you removed the tainted changesets I would contend you are still unable to agree the CT's as the data was still had added (though subsequently removed) . Now if the preamble stated you accept the terms of this agreement for your existing (to the extent that they have not previously been removed) and future contributions, then you might be on slightly safer ground agreeing to the CT's, but even then, as the addition exists as history, and isn't technically removed from the DB then you probably would still have problems agreeing to the CT's. David [http://www.itn.co.uk/images/ITN_Master_blue.gif] PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UKhttp://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of 80n Sent: 22 August 2010 18:41 To: David Groom Cc: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source WAS The last 2% On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 3:23 PM, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.netmailto:revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: - Original Message - From: Kevin Peat ke...@kevinpeat.commailto:ke...@kevinpeat.com To: Robert Whittaker (OSM) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.commailto:robert.whittaker%2b...@gmail.com; Talk-GB@openstreetmap.orgmailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source WAS The last 2% However, that doesn't change the fact that the OS OpenData license is incompatible with the contributor terms, and DbCL, and quite possibly ODbL too. I thought this was still to be confirmed? It may not be that important to townies but there is a lot of value in the OS data for rural mappers (woods, streams, rivers, coastline, etc.) and it is a crucial issue for me. It is still to be confirmed. The situation at the moment is there is no guarantee that OS OpenData is compatible with the CT's. Hence if you currently contribute anything based on OS OpenData to OSM you run the risk that you will be prevented from contributing to OSM in the future. To be clear about this, you can still continue to contribute OS OpenData to OSM providing you have not, and do not, agree to the new contributor terms. If you have already contributed content derived from OS OpenData then you cannot and should not agree to the contributor terms as they currently stand. Your contributions will not be lost because there will probably always be a place where these contributions continue to be editable and available under CC-BY-SA. This may not be OSM but it is likely there will be sites that continue to maintain CC-BY-SA licensed content. I am aware that the LWG have been considering the matter since at least 8 June [1] , but that as 17 August they have yet to ask legal counsels opinion on this [2]. David Kevin [1] https://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_67f465m4cd [2] https://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_77rbr8fgfw ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.orgmailto:Talk-GB
Re: [Talk-GB] Bristol - a quick (and surprising?) statistic...
PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Ed Avis Sent: 03 August 2010 09:01 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Bristol - a quick (and surprising?) statistic... Dave F. dave...@... writes: Yes. Often in rural areas you will find local people refer to particular roads by well-known names, even though there is no street sign for them anywhere. Street nameplates are a somewhat townie concept. Indeed. From my occasional listening to the Archers (very soothing, if you don't pay attention) I understand that even fields are given locally known names. See, for instance, a database of Herefordshire field names at http://www.smr.herefordshire.gov.uk/hfn/db.php Phillip Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Strange Search Result in Devon or should that be Kelland Cross?
Well, the bit _I'm_ wondering about is 'Devon County'!! We're not in America It's just 'Devon' PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Guy Collins Sent: 05 July 2010 23:28 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Strange Search Result in Devon or should that be Kelland Cross? When using the search box for places in Devon such as station road, crediton for example the result returned includes this: Unclassified Road Station Road, Crediton, Exeter, Devon County, Kelland Cross, England, EX17 3BU, United Kingdom The bit I wonder about is the Kelland Cross: another search now high street, exeter and the result is this: Unclassified Road High Street, Exeter, Devon County, Kelland Cross, England, EX4 3EB, United Kingdom Another search: high street, barnstaple and yes the result includes various options but always ...Devon County, Kelland Cross Kelland Cross is here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.850235lon=-3.81145zoom=14layers=B000FTFTTmlat=50.84907mlon=-3.81141 Interestingly very central in Devon. I'm not sure why this occurs. The relations for Devon seem ok (the three I have looked at). Can anyone throw any light on this strangeness? Thanks Guy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Reference points for total station
Surely you need trig points? http://www.trigpointinguk.com/info/trigpoints.php They'll only get you accuracy to a few centimetres though, not millimetres. [http://www.itn.co.uk/images/ITN_Master_blue.gif] PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UKhttp://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of John Robert Peterson Sent: 22 June 2010 21:33 To: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail) Subject: [Talk-GB] Reference points for total station I have managed to gain access to a total station (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_station) for doing a survey of a built up university campus. The goals of the project are 2 fold: 1) learn some new skills 2) get some decent data for OSM of the area. Now for anyone that doesn't know about these things, they measure angles horizontally with a very precise optical system, and use an IR range finder beam to locate a reflector prism to within millimeters. It's range is into the hundreds of meters. It has a sophisticated processing unit in it that can do some helpful maths and data storage for you. The prism is on top of a stick of measured length, with a spirit level built in, and is carried and placed by an assistant known as a stick monkey. It's well known to that that actually know what they are talking about in these circles, that positioning the stick is actually the talented part of the operation and that repeatedly pressing the green button on the box is actually less intellectually demanding. There is also a reflectorless version that I may be able to gain access to later, but that's not guaranteed. This uses lasers, and requires no stick monkey and associated gibbons. The plan is to use this for heights of buildings only. The device provides accurate 3d positions with the following caveat: it has no idea where it is, or where it's pointing until it gets reference data, this can be done in the following ways: It knows where down is via gravity; If you give it a number of calibrated reference points, it can work out where it is and where it's pointing, error control is built into this, so it needs at least 3, preferably 5 points, one of the points needs to have proper altitude; If you once get it calibrated, you can generate more calibrated reference points, meaning that you can daisy chain it off itsself; Since this is a learning process into surveying, we want to actually do it to an accuracy of a few millimeters. So the question is -- where do we get the first points from? There is one very old and well known building right in the middle of the area, and there are a number of land marks around, these may be usable, but how do I know their positions? There are also a number of distant landmarks in the area, but most would be too far away to use effectively, I dont' think the machine has the ability to take points only as distant points with no distance, though I do have access to the raw data, and would happily do the maths myself. Thanks, JR Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] National Cycle Network - filling the gaps
Harlow to Stansted is still 'under development' according to Sustrans http://www.sustrans.org.uk/what-we-do/national-cycle-network/route-numbering-system/route-11 PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of David Earl Sent: 08 March 2010 11:38 To: Richard Fairhurst Cc: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] National Cycle Network - filling the gaps Does anyone know what happens to ncn11 south of Stansted Mountfitchet? I mapped it through to there a few months ago and then went back to take it further but couldn't find it on the ground. I'd assumed it followed the Lea valley maybe via Bishops Stortford and Harlow, but the signs just seem to stop at Stansted Mountfitchet station (that's the village not the airport). David On 8 Mar 2010, at 10:23, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Hi all, OSM's National Cycle Network coverage is astounding and one of the reasons why everyone loves OpenCycleMap. With the sun finally emerging once again (yay) we've got the chance to fill some of the gaps and make it really useful. Anna and I went out on Saturday to map a recently opened section of National Route 45 (south of Worcester), and it occurred to me that a few afternoons like that would complete coverage of several high-profile routes. So I had a look at the map and have identified a few that could be ticked off in an afternoon by nearby mappers. Obviously, some are already in hand - Gregory W cycled most of NCN 1 last year, for example, and I've got a few planned for this year. == South == - *To complete NCN 3*: St Austell to Truro is only partly mapped - *To complete NCN 4*: Tiny little section in north Bristol (near Catbrain!) needs doing == Midlands == - *To complete Great Central Cycle Ride*: missing section through Daventry == Wales == - *To complete Lon Teifi*: NCN 82 from Cardigan to Fishguard == North == - *To complete the C2C*: Forest section near Keswick - the one gap in our coverage of the NCN's most popular route! - *To complete the Pennine Cycleway*: NCN 68's alternative route via Burnley and the Leeds Liverpool canal towpath is only partly mapped. - *The new Way of the Roses*: a coast-to-coast route being launched this year, roughly Morecambe-Settle-Harrogate-York-Bridlington. East of York it's fully mapped. Morecambe to York is not yet fully signed. But it'd be great to have it mapped on OSM at launch. - Hadrian's Cycleway (NCN 72) and the Reivers Route (NCN 10) could be completed with a little effort. A few gaps around Sheffield could also be completed fairly easily. Any takers? Or any other gaps in big routes that people have spotted? cheers Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK rights of way coverage map
I believe the lucky Scots are allowed to walk in open countryside anywhere they choose, so long as they do it with responsibility. So no need for 'rights of way' PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Chris Fleming Sent: 21 October 2009 16:41 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] UK rights of way coverage map On 21/10/09 12:35, Nick Whitelegg wrote: An unintended consequence of the First Edition/OSM mashup (see earlier post) is that I have an image of rights of way coverage of the UK in OSM. See http://www.free-map.org.uk/images/tiles2/firsted/5/15/10.png Clearly shows we need more countryside mappers in the east, southwest and Wales! I like. What's the story for Scotland? It seems distinctly uncovered by any rights of way? Cheers Chris ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Inaccurate Sea Boundary of England
I believe Holland has that honour. PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Ed Avis Sent: 15 October 2009 11:02 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Inaccurate Sea Boundary of England Ed Loach e...@... writes: As only Sealand recognise Sealand and no UN member does (from the wiki article you quote), I can't see the claim that the sea boundary of England is wrong can be justified. Who would have expected an edit war in the English Channel? Anyway, are we having a mapping party out to it to map it? If so there is the possibility that Sealand might become the first nation to be fully mapped on OSM... -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Coverage figures for Scotland and Wales
Anglesey's anomalous figures are due, I believe, to the systematic tracing of the NPE map layer across the entire island by user Paul Todd last year. This includes all the farm tracks, which have been tagged highway=unclassified, and this has undoubtedly skewed the results. Obviously 99% of these are not actually verified and IMO should have been classified highway=track, access=private anyway. Phillip PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Peter Reed [peter.r...@aligre.co.uk] Sent: 21 August 2009 09:18 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Coverage figures for Scotland and Wales Name |Coverage ---+--- Isle of Anglesey | 124% Gwynedd | 71% Conwy and Denbighshire| 54% South West Wales | 60% Central Valleys | 43% Gwent Valleys | 35% Bridgend and Neath Port Talbot| 65% Swansea | 77% Monmouthshire and Newport | 72% Cardiff and Vale of Glamorgan | 79% Flintshire and Wrexham| 87% Powys | 50% Angus and Dundee City | 56% Clackmannanshire and Fife | 51% East Lothian and Midlothian | 65% Scottish Borders | 60% Edinburgh, City of| 99% Falkirk | 55% Perth Kinross and Stirling | 66% West Lothian | 64% East Dunbartonshire, West Dunbartonshire and Helensburgh Lomond | 66% Dumfries Galloway | 51% East Ayrshire and North Ayrshire mainland | 42% Glasgow City | 86% Inverclyde, East Renfrewshire and Renfrewshire| 70% North Lanarkshire | 55% South Ayrshire| 48% South Lanarkshire | 58% Aberdeen City and Aberdeenshire | 46% Caithness Sutherland and Ross Cromarty| 64% * Inverness Nairn and Moray, Badenoch Strathspey| 64% * Lochaber, Skye Lochalsh, Arran Cumbrae and Argyll Bute | 64% * Eilean Siar (Western Isles) | 67% Orkney Islands| 29% Shetland Islands | 48* (*) = Average across three regions Coverage = (length of roads plotted in OSM across the region) / (DfT figures for the length of road in the local authorities that make up the region) Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Cambridge reversion needed
There appears to be some accidental damage in Cambridge - a whole bunch of tea rooms etc have moved into the Backs ( open marshy green spaces to the West of the town. All appear to be from the same changeset http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2049927 created by a new user, AliP, who was registered 4 days ago. Can someone revert this quickly before it gets more complicated? Apologies, but I'm at work so can't actually spare the time to work out how to fix this myself... [http://www.itn.co.uk/images/ITN_Master_blue.gif] PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UKhttp://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Cambridge reversion needed
Make that location Coe Fen, not The Backs, sorry. From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Barnett, Phillip Sent: 10 August 2009 17:52 To: Talk GB Subject: [Talk-GB] Cambridge reversion needed There appears to be some accidental damage in Cambridge - a whole bunch of tea rooms etc have moved into the Backs ( open marshy green spaces to the West of the town. All appear to be from the same changeset http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2049927 created by a new user, AliP, who was registered 4 days ago. Can someone revert this quickly before it gets more complicated? Apologies, but I'm at work so can't actually spare the time to work out how to fix this myself... [http://www.itn.co.uk/images/ITN_Master_blue.gif] PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UKhttp://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Counties and coasts
I'd assume that only the bottom part of the pier is below highwater mark, otherwise the aforesaid shops would get wet twice a day. PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Peter Childs Sent: 22 June 2009 15:59 Cc: Talk GB Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Counties and coasts 2009/6/22 Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk: The Essex one I traced from the dotted line on NPE. I'm not sure about 12 miles for county boundaries - I don't think Essex would want to have to maintain it's own navy to repel Suffolk encroachers for example. Having said that, I think I read somewhere that UK beaches below the high water mark are Crown property, so perhaps the county councils just look after them for the Queen? Yes but what about the pier (which sticks into the sea) and is therefore below the high water mark, Full of shops and licensed premises. If Essex is worried about invasion from Sussex, We'll send a force in from Kent. Peter. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Running JOSM (+ Java) on flash disk
You'd probably get more help if you posted to the general [EMAIL PROTECTED] address... Good luck PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LeedsTracker Sent: 18 September 2007 13:43 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Running JOSM (+ Java) on flash disk Hello all, Sorry if this is an inappropriate list but hope it's OK. I would like to get JOSM working properly from a USB flash disk, with Java on the disk too, for times I am using a Java-less machine (e.g. a university computer). I have it mostly working but with some errors. My understanding of java is negligible but I would like to work on this. I have started some notes here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Talk:JOSM#Run_JOSM_from_flash_dr ive_with_my_prefs.3F I copied an installation of the latest Java runtimes from an installation on my home PC to my flash disk. In a windows batch file, I can run JOSM like so: set APPDATA=\somefolder \java\bin\java.exe -jar \josm\josm-latest.jar The first line tells Java/JOSM where to find my preferences, and this works OK. JOSM then runs but I get an error popup at startup: Error initializing test SpellCheck org/openstreetmap/josm/gui/preferences/AnnotationPresetPreference ...and in the DOS box on launch it says: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/openstreetmap/josm/gui/preferences/AnnotationPresetPreference It looks like Java and/or JOSM is not finding things it expects to find, either within Java's libraries or within josm.jar. Any ideas on tackling this would be most welcome. Thanks, leedstracker ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] JOSM presets file
I'm in Cambridge. Does that count? PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW.ITN.CO.UK From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Folwell Sent: 06 June 2007 16:03 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] JOSM presets file Hi folks Does anyone have this file please? The download from SlowRider's page on the wiki isn't there any more... Thanks Nick PS Anyone else in East Anglia? Nick Folwell *: [EMAIL PROTECTED] H*: 01440 706768 M*: 07767 374 925 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: nickfolwell Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Virtual place mapping 'party'
Sounds good - can we nominate squares? I bag 4 degrees West, 53 N, (Anglesey/Caernarfon) PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW.ITN.CO.UK -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Earl Sent: 16 May 2007 10:31 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Virtual place mapping 'party' As I was filling using the NPE maps to confirm some details recently I found myself adding one or two places which had been missed, and then checking others for name and is_in, and I wondered about this: How about having a place mapping week in the near future: we each take one or two whole-degree squares (there's about 60 covering the UK if we fold tiny bits of land into adjacent ones) and systematically add all the places from NPE, aiming to do them all by a deadline. (We might choose to exclude the biggest conurbations like London, Glasgow, Manchester and Birmingham as modern suburbs won't be obvious and in any case have mostly been done), but villages and towns almost never disappear (ok, I know about Ashopton and Kielder, but they're rare), and we can confirm current status of most with wikipedia. Most areas have a road or river on the map to align NPE with, and perfect accuracy isn't needed for place names. A few postdate NPE, of course, but most of these will have been picked up. We could also check and complete some other physical details while being systematic, with assistance from landsat: rivers perhaps, and mountain peaks (people who have sparsely populated squares would have more of these, and again I think quite a lot of these have been done). Those with coastal areas could also check and complete any work that needs doing to bring coastline up to spec. A degree square is about 110 x 60 km in the UK so it is significant but manageable. Many places will already have been done, but it would be really nice to have a good degree of confidence that we have a systematic roster of all the places in the UK on the map. What do people think? Shall I set up a wiki page to allocate squares? David ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Ely
I can't do this Saturday, as I'm working that day. I could do the following Saturday though. Regards PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW.ITN.CO.UK -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of David Earl Sent: Wed 5/9/2007 4:05 PM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Ely On Saturday I was thinking I'd wander up to Ely (pop ~15,000) with my bike (http://www.openstreetmap.org/index.html?lat=52.399834lon=0.263128zoom=11) and survey as much of it as I can (there's a small amount already done in the middle but not much else). Would anyone like to join me? It's a bit big for me to complete in a day on my own, but I reckon two of us could do the whole city if we work hard. There's direct trains to Ely from London, Ipswich, Peterborough, and Kings Lynn and points between and beyond. My wireless broadband near Cambridge is available too if you want to process the data as well. Weather forecast is sunny with showers. Anyone interested. David ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
