Thanks 80n and David, Potlatch is still offering Opendata as a layer, with no warning as to the potential problem vis a vis existing contributions. Shouldn't we be dropping this rather quickly?
Phillip -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Groom Sent: 22 August 2010 20:30 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source WAS The last 2% ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barnett, Phillip" <[email protected]> To: "'80n'" <[email protected]>; "David Groom" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 8:06 PM Subject: RE: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source WAS The last 2% > I've been mapping off and on since April 2006, and I've contributed > approximately 1320 changesets in that time. Only three of which include OS > data. Are all my contributions going to be rejected? > I have not, as yet, signed up to the new CTs, though was intending to. > > I'm now not touching OS data - but is it too late? Surely it's just a > question of removing the 'tainted' changesets? Or, to be safe, all the > changesets I've contributed since the OS data became available? > Arguably it is too late, if you take a strict interpretation of the CT's and their preamble. The preamble states " you accept the terms of this agreement for your existing and future contributions". You have an 3 existing contributions (changesets) which include OS data, and so technically you cant agree to the CT's. Even if you removed the "tainted" changesets I would contend you are still unable to agree the CT's as the data was still had added (though subsequently removed) . Now if the preamble stated "you accept the terms of this agreement for your existing (to the extent that they have not previously been removed) and future contributions", then you might be on slightly safer ground agreeing to the CT's, but even then, as the addition exists as history, and isn't technically removed from the DB then you probably would still have problems agreeing to the CT's. David > [http://www.itn.co.uk/images/ITN_Master_blue.gif] > PHILLIP BARNETT > SERVER MANAGER > > 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD > LONDON > WC1X 8XZ > UNITED KINGDOM > T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 > F > E [email protected] > WWW.ITN.CO.UK<http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK> > P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this > email? > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 80n > Sent: 22 August 2010 18:41 > To: David Groom > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source > WAS The last 2% > > On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 3:23 PM, David Groom > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Peat" > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > To: "Robert Whittaker (OSM)" > <[email protected]<mailto:robert.whittaker%[email protected]>>; > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 2:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source > WAS The last 2% > > > However, that doesn't change the fact that the OS OpenData license is > incompatible with the contributor terms, and DbCL, and quite possibly > ODbL too. > > I thought this was still to be confirmed? It may not be that important to > townies but there is a lot of value in the OS data for rural mappers > (woods, > streams, rivers, coastline, etc.) and it is a crucial issue for me. > > It is still to be confirmed. The situation at the moment is there is no > guarantee that OS OpenData is compatible with the CT's. > > Hence if you currently contribute anything based on OS OpenData to OSM > you run the risk that you will be prevented from contributing to OSM in > the future. > > To be clear about this, you can still continue to contribute OS OpenData > to OSM providing you have not, and do not, agree to the new contributor > terms. > > If you have already contributed content derived from OS OpenData then you > cannot and should not agree to the contributor terms as they currently > stand. > > Your contributions will not be lost because there will probably always be > a place where these contributions continue to be editable and available > under CC-BY-SA. This may not be OSM but it is likely there will be sites > that continue to maintain CC-BY-SA licensed content. > > > > I am aware that the LWG have been considering the matter since at least 8 > June [1] , but that as 17 August they have yet to ask legal counsels > opinion on this [2]. > > David > Kevin > [1] https://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_67f465m4cd > > [2] https://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_77rbr8fgfw > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-GB mailing list > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > > Please Note: > > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not > necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless > specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they > are addressed. 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