date:20170324

Ještě  mě napadlo, že ta česká verze stránek by se spíše měla jmenovat 
“WikiProjekt Česko”, ne?

 

Dalibor

 

From: Marián Kyral [mailto:mky...@email.cz] 
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 12:56 PM
To: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
Subject: Re: [Talk-cz] Presun stranek na wiki

 

No ale i těm cizincům by se měly naservírovat nějaké základní informace.
Kouknul jsem k sousedům a tam to mají takto: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Slovakia

Možná by to chtělo omrknout i další státy.

Marián

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Datum: 24. 3. 2017 12:44:06
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Ja bych rekl, ze by mela byt cesky.

Je prece jen spise pro nas nez pro cizince...

 

Dalibor

 

From: Marián Kyral [mailto:mky...@email.cz] 
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 12:32 PM
To: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic  >
Subject: Re: [Talk-cz] Presun stranek na wiki

 

Já nejsem proti, wiki potřebuje uklidit a jsem rád, že ses do toho pustil s 
takovou vervou ;-)

Akorát nevím, ta stránka má být v jakém jazyce? Česky? Anglicky? Aktuální stav 
je takový kočkopes :-D

Marián

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Ahoj,

chtěl bych přesunout stránku 

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Czech_Republic

a její podstránky na adresu 

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:WikiProject_Czech_Republic

aby začaly fungovat odkazy správně.

Samozřejmě tam nastavím přesměrování, takže dosavadní odkazy by 

měly nadále fungovat.

 

Máte někdo něco proti tomu?

Kdo mlčí, souhlasí...  ;-)

 

Mějte se,

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Re: [Talk-in] Exploring recent edits in India

2017-03-24 Thread muzirian

Thnx :D

On Saturday, March 25, 2017, Arun Ganesh  wrote:

> Its been fun to see the recent changes on the map in Deccan India using
> osmcha [1]. Ended up adding some detail in Aluva to help out muzirian :)
>
> [1] http://osmcha.mapbox.com/?modify__gte=0=65.04829732015679%2C7.
> 823251374735577%2C88.56093988187973%2C19.856480543913648_suspect=
> False_whitelisted=All=All
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Re: [Talk-se] Forshaga import

2017-03-24 Thread Mattias Dalkvist

Har kollat mer på det nu det ser ut att vara okej lägesnoggrannhet men en
del topologiska saker:  flera öar med bara deras nya vägar, det är dåligt
med flygbilder så flera villaområden finns inte alls i osm och flera
ställen behöver små anslutningar till vägnätet för routing.

De objekt som raderats är footways som ersatts med nya cycleway, de borde
väl ha uppdaterat istället för att behålla historiken. Flera av de
borttagna ways hade andra attribut som lit och surface vilket helt saknas
på de nya, de har endast highway=cycleway.

Sedan är det ju den stora frågan om licensen, har de rätt att ge oss datat
under ODbL eller kommer det från LM. Det vore väl bäst om någon från
kommunen kunde skriva något.



2017-03-24 23:10 GMT+01:00 Andreas Vilén :
>
> Kan nog vara på sin plats med ett välformulerat changesetmeddelande. Har
du tittat på hur datan ser ut? Ser att en del objekt raderades i
uppladdningen.
>
> /Andreas
>
> Skickat från min iPhone
>
> 24 mars 2017 kl. 19:54 skrev Mattias Dalkvist :
>
> Hej
>
> Såg detta https://osm.org/go/0ZLQ4SV-?changeset=47127684 när jag tittade
på nya användare.
>
> Är det någon på här som känner till något om en import från Forshaga
kommun? Ser inget på wikin eller import listan.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Tag Aide aux sans-abri et autres

Egalement:

   - Key:social_facility
   


Le 24 mars 2017 à 23:55, Philippe Verdy  a écrit :

> A voir avec Key:community centre
> 
>
> Le 24 mars 2017 à 23:51, Donat ROBAUX  a écrit :
>
>> Bonjour,
>>
>> Vous le savez peut-être que des initiatives en faveur des SDF se
>> développent ca et là.
>> Je pense notamment au café ou baguette suspendu (
>> http://www.leparisien.fr/espace-premium/air-du-temps/un-
>> cafe-solidaire-s-il-vous-plait-20-04-2013-2742511.php). Ou encore à
>> l'initiative Le Carillon (http://www.lecarillon.org/le-projet) qui
>> propose aux commerçants volontaires pour apporter une petite aide aux SDF
>> de coller une petite affiche sur leur devanture?
>>
>> Y a-t-il un tag pour distinguer ses magasins?
>>
>> Donat
>>
>>
>> 
>>  Garanti
>> sans virus. www.avast.com
>> 
>> <#m_-751975986432786817_m_-727524454526254521_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Tag Aide aux sans-abri et autres

A voir avec Key:community centre


Le 24 mars 2017 à 23:51, Donat ROBAUX  a écrit :

> Bonjour,
>
> Vous le savez peut-être que des initiatives en faveur des SDF se
> développent ca et là.
> Je pense notamment au café ou baguette suspendu (http://www.leparisien.fr/
> espace-premium/air-du-temps/un-cafe-solidaire-s-il-vous-
> plait-20-04-2013-2742511.php). Ou encore à l'initiative Le Carillon (
> http://www.lecarillon.org/le-projet) qui propose aux commerçants
> volontaires pour apporter une petite aide aux SDF de coller une petite
> affiche sur leur devanture?
>
> Y a-t-il un tag pour distinguer ses magasins?
>
> Donat
>
>
> 
>  Garanti
> sans virus. www.avast.com
> 
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[OSM-talk-fr] Tag Aide aux sans-abri et autres

2017-03-24 Thread Donat ROBAUX

Bonjour,

Vous le savez peut-être que des initiatives en faveur des SDF se
développent ca et là.
Je pense notamment au café ou baguette suspendu (
http://www.leparisien.fr/espace-premium/air-du-temps/un-cafe-solidaire-s-il-vous-plait-20-04-2013-2742511.php).
Ou encore à l'initiative Le Carillon (http://www.lecarillon.org/le-projet)
qui propose aux commerçants volontaires pour apporter une petite aide aux
SDF de coller une petite affiche sur leur devanture?

Y a-t-il un tag pour distinguer ses magasins?

Donat


Garanti
sans virus. www.avast.com

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Osmose et arrêts de bus

Et puis ne te fie pas juste au "taguer pour le rendu" même si le rendu
affiche encore des doublons: il y a des corrections à faire pour que le
schéma v2 soit bien compris par tous les outils. Supprimer ce qui te gêne
n'est pas la solution.

Le 24 mars 2017 à 21:50,  a écrit :

> Bonjour, grâce à l'appli de Noémie je suis tombé sur un arrêt de bus sans
> nom mais avec un local_ref
> .
>
> Comme il s'agit de distinguer des arrêts de bus de même nom ça n'a de sens
> que s'il y a un nom et qu'il y a des arrêts de même nom aux alentours.
>
> D'après la photo ce sont quasiment des numéros de quais (donc un tampon de
> 50 m ?), a-t-on des places (par exemple) où on aurait des arrêts de même
> nom. Oui à Rennes par exemple mais là ce sont plutôt pour certains arrêts
> comme celui-ci :
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3578886874
>
> qu'il faudrait multiplier les arrêts et mettre des références (à cet
> endroit il y a plusieurs quais).
>
> Par contre si les positions changent dans le temps (ou si l'opérateur n'a
> qu'une référence dans sa base et ne gère les numéros que sur un tableau
> local), je ne sais si ça a beaucoup de sens de décomposer cet arrêt.
>
> Donc si on voit un arrêt de bus avec local_ref mais sans nom ou sans nom
> identique dans les parages (50 m ?), Osmose ne devrait-il pas sortir une
> erreur ? De même les local_ref doivent être différents pour les arrêts
> proches de même nom.
>
> Pour les Rennais :
> Les autres arrêts Gares sont plutôt simplement empaquetés dans un
> stop_area (qui semble manquer ici, en fait il est bien là
> 
> mais aucun rendu ne le rend : j'ai cru qu'il manquait car c'est décrit dans
> la description OSM comme "Relation" et comme non affiché...).
>
> Je vois par ailleurs qu'un arrêt de métro est en status "normal" alors que
> la ligne est marquée en construction.
>
> C'est pourquoi en rendu transport ces deux "Gares" sans ligne associée.
>
> Allez un landuse Ligne b du métro, station Gares
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/261058295
>
> Des bâtiments Gares avec des stations gares : y-a-t-il écrit "Gares" sur
> le bâtiment sous-terrain  comme indiqué ? N'est pas que le nom de la
> station ?
>
> Jean-Yvon
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Osmose et arrêts de bus

La station de métro (ligne a existante et b contigue en construction)
s'appelle "Gares" (au pluriel) de même que la gare routière.
Attention à ne pas faire n'importe quoi non plus avec Osmose: qu'il trouve
qu'il n'y a pas encore de ligne sur certaines stations c'est peut-être
normal ici quand les lignes sont bien marquées en construction.
Bref ne pas supprimer sous prétexte que cela ne correspond pas aux critères
actuels d'Osmose.

Le 24 mars 2017 à 21:50,  a écrit :

> Bonjour, grâce à l'appli de Noémie je suis tombé sur un arrêt de bus sans
> nom mais avec un local_ref
> .
>
> Comme il s'agit de distinguer des arrêts de bus de même nom ça n'a de sens
> que s'il y a un nom et qu'il y a des arrêts de même nom aux alentours.
>
> D'après la photo ce sont quasiment des numéros de quais (donc un tampon de
> 50 m ?), a-t-on des places (par exemple) où on aurait des arrêts de même
> nom. Oui à Rennes par exemple mais là ce sont plutôt pour certains arrêts
> comme celui-ci :
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3578886874
>
> qu'il faudrait multiplier les arrêts et mettre des références (à cet
> endroit il y a plusieurs quais).
>
> Par contre si les positions changent dans le temps (ou si l'opérateur n'a
> qu'une référence dans sa base et ne gère les numéros que sur un tableau
> local), je ne sais si ça a beaucoup de sens de décomposer cet arrêt.
>
> Donc si on voit un arrêt de bus avec local_ref mais sans nom ou sans nom
> identique dans les parages (50 m ?), Osmose ne devrait-il pas sortir une
> erreur ? De même les local_ref doivent être différents pour les arrêts
> proches de même nom.
>
> Pour les Rennais :
> Les autres arrêts Gares sont plutôt simplement empaquetés dans un
> stop_area (qui semble manquer ici, en fait il est bien là
> 
> mais aucun rendu ne le rend : j'ai cru qu'il manquait car c'est décrit dans
> la description OSM comme "Relation" et comme non affiché...).
>
> Je vois par ailleurs qu'un arrêt de métro est en status "normal" alors que
> la ligne est marquée en construction.
>
> C'est pourquoi en rendu transport ces deux "Gares" sans ligne associée.
>
> Allez un landuse Ligne b du métro, station Gares
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/261058295
>
> Des bâtiments Gares avec des stations gares : y-a-t-il écrit "Gares" sur
> le bâtiment sous-terrain  comme indiqué ? N'est pas que le nom de la
> station ?
>
> Jean-Yvon
>
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Re: [Talk-it] Fontanili della Lombardia

2017-03-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer



sent from a phone

On 24 Mar 2017, at 22:12, Andrea Albani  wrote:

>> Forse si può scappare taggando come abbeveratoio? 
>> In buon inglese brittanico i nostri si dovrebbero chiamare abreuvoir: 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abreuvoir
>> Hanno anche un'altra voce meno specifica 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watering_trough
>> 
> 
> Visto quanto sopra direi proprio che non sono adeguati


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Re: [Talk-se] Forshaga import

2017-03-24 Thread Andreas Vilén

Kan nog vara på sin plats med ett välformulerat changesetmeddelande. Har du 
tittat på hur datan ser ut? Ser att en del objekt raderades i uppladdningen.

/Andreas

Skickat från min iPhone

> 24 mars 2017 kl. 19:54 skrev Mattias Dalkvist :
> 
> Hej
> 
> Såg detta https://osm.org/go/0ZLQ4SV-?changeset=47127684 när jag tittade på 
> nya användare.
> 
> Är det någon på här som känner till något om en import från Forshaga kommun? 
> Ser inget på wikin eller import listan.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Arrêts de bus sans nom dans MAPS.ME

2017-03-24 Thread osm . sanspourriel


Si on ne peut le demander au contributeur, demandons-le à Noémie ;-).

Sur certains téléphones il est possible de mettre une gestion par défaut 
de la casse, c'est souvent le cas quand on entre un nom de contact dans 
un téléphone : initiales en majuscules. On peut basculer explicitement 
pour forcer la casse d'une lettre.


Donc Noémie, à chaque frappe, tu vérifies le respect de la convention 
mais si la personne annule ta correction, tu la laisses le faire.


Jean-Yvon


Le 24/03/2017 à 09:56, Florian LAINEZ - winner...@free.fr a écrit :

Bonjour,
Ta proposition est intéressante Jean-Yvon car il est important que les 
contributeurs respectent les conventions lors de la saisie. Néanmoins, 
cela alourdi à mon sens trop l'interface et la mention courante 
"Compléter le nom de cet arrêt de bus" me parait la mieux adaptée.

Corriger la casse, honnêtement, on sait faire par la suite.

Le 23 mars 2017 à 20:43, > a écrit :


Si possible mettre en texte initial "Respect Casing Convention"
(pré-selectionné pour qu'il soit supprimé à la première modification).

Comme ça, ça n'alourdit pas le texte "Name". Au fait Name avec en
dessous Name en petit alors que le reste est en français (j'ai
pris une IHM française). Sans doute le nom de l'attribut en brut
puis la description de l'attribut.

Donc Respect Casing Convention and avoid abbreviations.

Ceci dit je viens d'entrer un Z.A. Pen Mané
 et pas Zone
d'Activité Pen Mané, donc je ne sais s'il est bien utile de mettre
"and avoid abbreviations". J'ai même mis un Z.A. St-Nicodème !

Bogue : j'ai entré 2 noms, pour les 2 suivants après ajout de nom,
il me dit que les arrêts n'ont pas de nom, j'édite, je vois les
noms, si je sauve il me dit que je n'ai rien à sauvegarder mais
quand je pousse sur le serveur il retrouve les noms.

Commentaire : garder le commentaire précédent serait un plus. On
s'est fatigué à mettre un vrai commentaire, on continue, on pousse
sur le serveur et m.. il faut entrer à nouveau le commentaire.

Mais c'est déjà très bien... en cartographie mode canapé !

Jean-Yvon


Le 23/03/2017 à 09:58, Noémie Lehuby -
noemie.leh...@openmailbox.org
 a écrit :

Hello,

Oui, je crois que je peux ajouter plus de texte. Mais par contre,
je ne tiens pas non plus à en mettre trop, sinon, on perd une
grosse partie de la simplicité d'utilisation ...
une proposition de wording ?

Noémie



Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 23:04:25 +0100
From: osm.sanspourr...@spamgourmet.com

To: talk-fr@openstreetmap.org 
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Arrêts de bus sans nom dans MAPS.ME

Message-ID: <944196ce-24a3-e371-fb96-4267b32bc...@gmx.net>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"

Je crois que j'ai trouvé le piège : plus de gens vont utiliser
maps.me 
or j'entends les gens se plaindre de la qualité de contribution des
contributeurs maps.me .

Donc si on incite des gens à éditer avec maps.me
 (pour des choses
simples) ils risquent de continuer à contribuer sans les super
outils de
Noémie !

Par exemple ici la mère de Florian risque d'ENTRER LE NOM EN
MAJUSCULE.

Noémie, tu peux changer le texte pour que les contributeurs
respectent
les conventions d'OSM ?

Jean-Yvon


Le 21/03/2017 à 22:12, Christian Quest - cqu...@openstreetmap.fr
 a écrit :

Y'a forcément un piège, c'est TROP SIMPLE ! ;)

Le 21 mars 2017 à 21:24, Noémie Lehuby


> a écrit :

Hello,

En m'inspirant de la très bonne idée de Harry Wood
(http://harrywood.co.uk/blog/2017/03/12/notes-in-maps-me/


), je
vous propose aujourd'hui un fichier kml pour charger les
arrêts de
bus sans nom comme des signets dans MAPS.ME
  .
Voici un lien pour l'Île-de-France :
https://ref-lignes-stif.5apps.com/autres/bussansnom.kml




Une fois que c'est chargé dans l'appli, il suffit de
cliquer

Re: [Talk-it] Fontanili della Lombardia

2017-03-24 Thread Andrea Albani

"fontanile" mi sembra italiano (al solito usiamo tag in british english).
>
> Guardando meglio, un "spring" non è mai artificiale, si tratta di una
> situazione naturale. Quando l'accesso all'acquifero è artificiale, si
> tratta di un pozzo. Hm. Non mi è chiaro la differenza tra sorgente e
> risorgiva (fontanile dovrebbe essere una risorgiva artificiale).
>
>
Fontanile è un termine sicuramente usato in Lombardia come sinonimo di
risorgiva, ovvero di un fenomeno in cui l'acqua affiora naturalmente dal
terreno e per estensione il nome del luogo in cui questo avviene.
I contadini in questi luoghi allargavano l'area attorno alla fuoriuscita
per creare un bacino di raccolta (testa del fontanile) e quindi
convogliavano le acque verso canali tipicamente per scopi irrigui. A volte
inserivano brevi spezzoni di tubi in verticale per favorire la risalita
dell'acqua.

In questo contesto vedo più natura che artificialità, perchè tutto sommato
si tratta di sfruttare un affioramento di per sè naturale, anche se
tecnicamente parlando, un fontanile è artificiale, perchè senza intervento
antropico forse l'acqua avrebbe inzuppato un'area vasta di terreno oppure
sarebbe fuoriuscita da un'altra parte.
Continuo quindi a propendere per natural=spring.

I fontanili hanno anche un'importanza storica e culturale perchè hanno
contribuito allo sviluppo delle coltivazioni nella pianura padana, prima
per agevolare la bonifica poi come fonte di irrigazione (parliamo di un
migliaio di anni fa) e come tali andrebbero valorizzati, ivi compresa la
loro denominazione.

Per questo motivo un valore in italiano per un subtag come spring:type non
mi sembra affatto fuoriluogo. Per altro ci sono altri casi in cui questo
avviene (building=trullo, sport=boules... anche per indicare le nostre
italianissime bocce) e aggiungerei che in inglese non mi risulta ci sia un
termine analogo così preciso.


> Chiederei forse in lista tagging (internazionale).
>
>
Non basta raggiungere un consenso qui in ML ? Mi sembra sia già accaduto
altre volte (esempio nel 2014 con l'import della CTR Puglia per Lecce a
riguardo di building=pajaru)


> Forse si può scappare taggando come abbeveratoio?
> In buon inglese brittanico i nostri si dovrebbero chiamare abreuvoir:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abreuvoir
> Hanno anche un'altra voce meno specifica https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> Watering_trough
>
>
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[OSM-talk-fr] Osmose et arrêts de bus

2017-03-24 Thread osm . sanspourriel

Bonjour, grâce à l'appli de Noémie je suis tombé sur un arrêt de bus 
sans nom mais avec un local_ref 
.


Comme il s'agit de distinguer des arrêts de bus de même nom ça n'a de 
sens que s'il y a un nom et qu'il y a des arrêts de même nom aux alentours.


D'après la photo ce sont quasiment des numéros de quais (donc un tampon 
de 50 m ?), a-t-on des places (par exemple) où on aurait des arrêts de 
même nom. Oui à Rennes par exemple mais là ce sont plutôt pour certains 
arrêts comme celui-ci :


http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3578886874

qu'il faudrait multiplier les arrêts et mettre des références (à cet 
endroit il y a plusieurs quais).


Par contre si les positions changent dans le temps (ou si l'opérateur 
n'a qu'une référence dans sa base et ne gère les numéros que sur un 
tableau local), je ne sais si ça a beaucoup de sens de décomposer cet arrêt.


Donc si on voit un arrêt de bus avec local_ref mais sans nom ou sans nom 
identique dans les parages (50 m ?), Osmose ne devrait-il pas sortir une 
erreur ? De même les local_ref doivent être différents pour les arrêts 
proches de même nom.


Pour les Rennais :
Les autres arrêts Gares sont plutôt simplement empaquetés dans un 
stop_area (qui semble manquer ici, en fait il est bien là 
 
mais aucun rendu ne le rend : j'ai cru qu'il manquait car c'est décrit 
dans la description OSM comme "Relation" et comme non affiché...).


Je vois par ailleurs qu'un arrêt de métro est en status "normal" alors 
que la ligne est marquée en construction.


C'est pourquoi en rendu transport ces deux "Gares" sans ligne associée.

Allez un landuse Ligne b du métro, station Gares 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/261058295


Des bâtiments Gares avec des stations gares : y-a-t-il écrit "Gares" sur 
le bâtiment sous-terrain  comme indiqué ? N'est pas que le nom de la 
station ?


Jean-Yvon


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Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Import Progress

2017-03-24 Thread Andy Robinson

Harry, and everyone else, 
I'm sure Brian will get back to everyone on all of this when he's back in 
circulation. He's not been around since these issues were raised. There is 
obviously a lot to digest and clearly there are some specific points to take on 
board so I'm sure when he's had time to go through everything we can move on.

Cheers and happy mapping.

Andy

-Original Message-
From: Harry Wood [mailto:m...@harrywood.co.uk] 
Sent: 24 March 2017 15:18
To: Andy Townsend; Andy Mabbett
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Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Import Progress

I've created a wiki page specifically about the tree data import.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Birmingham_City_Council_trees_data

It would be better if somebody involved in running the import, would do this 
(per the Import Guidelines), but I've drawn together various info I could find 
from Brian's blog posts, and from poking at the data myself.

I didn't poke at the origin data. We could document the complete list of fields 
they provide.
Also is the whole data set is now imported? I count ~43000 nodes, but Brian's 
blog mentions 76,000 trees. How many changesets was that? To what extent has 
the data now been modified after import? What is 'usrn'?

Harry

Andy Townsend wrote:
> If it exists, an actual link would be really useful here.  I'm aware 
> of 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb-westmidlands/2017-Ma
> rch/002127.html but that is by no means a "well-defined and 
> transparent plan".
...
> It'd be great to be able to move forward here - to identify the parts 
> of the process that were missed, to have a discussion about tags 
> (including answering e.g. Will's questions from 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2017-March/020058.ht
> ml ).  The replies to this thread make it pretty clear that the West 
> Midlands group has some work to do to persuade the majority of the UK 
> OSM community that the approach taken so far is a good one.

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[Talk-in] Exploring recent edits in India

2017-03-24 Thread Arun Ganesh

Its been fun to see the recent changes on the map in Deccan India using
osmcha [1]. Ended up adding some detail in Aluva to help out muzirian :)

[1]
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-GB] Import Progress

2017-03-24 Thread Andy Robinson

Harry, and everyone else, 
I'm sure Brian will get back to everyone on all of this when he's back in 
circulation. He's not been around since these issues were raised. There is 
obviously a lot to digest and clearly there are some specific points to take on 
board so I'm sure when he's had time to go through everything we can move on.

Cheers and happy mapping.

Andy

-Original Message-
From: Harry Wood [mailto:m...@harrywood.co.uk] 
Sent: 24 March 2017 15:18
To: Andy Townsend; Andy Mabbett
Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org; talk...@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Import Progress

I've created a wiki page specifically about the tree data import.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Birmingham_City_Council_trees_data

It would be better if somebody involved in running the import, would do this 
(per the Import Guidelines), but I've drawn together various info I could find 
from Brian's blog posts, and from poking at the data myself.

I didn't poke at the origin data. We could document the complete list of fields 
they provide.
Also is the whole data set is now imported? I count ~43000 nodes, but Brian's 
blog mentions 76,000 trees. How many changesets was that? To what extent has 
the data now been modified after import? What is 'usrn'?

Harry

Andy Townsend wrote:
> If it exists, an actual link would be really useful here.  I'm aware 
> of 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb-westmidlands/2017-Ma
> rch/002127.html but that is by no means a "well-defined and 
> transparent plan".
...
> It'd be great to be able to move forward here - to identify the parts 
> of the process that were missed, to have a discussion about tags 
> (including answering e.g. Will's questions from 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2017-March/020058.ht
> ml ).  The replies to this thread make it pretty clear that the West 
> Midlands group has some work to do to persuade the majority of the UK 
> OSM community that the approach taken so far is a good one.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Countryside access map

2017-03-24 Thread Chris Hill

On 24/03/2017 19:17, ael wrote:

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 06:57:58PM +, Chris Hill wrote:

On 24/03/2017 17:58, ael wrote:

I have just noticed a newish mapper who has added many footpaths around
Oxfordshire apparently using Bing but with changset comments
"from countryside access map".

Is this copyright free? I have sent a polite message welcoming to OSM,
but pointing out that rural footpaths usually need a visit, and asking
about that map.

Is this likley to be legitimate?

ael

A quick search came up with this
https://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/countrysidemap/

That matches the name exactly and it is copyright.

Well, the mapper has now replied, saying that indeed thatwas the map,
but that it is open data:

https://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/cms/sites/default/files/folders/documents/environmentandplanning/countryside/access/os-opendata-licence.pdf

which seems to be right?

I have some video of the alleged end of one of the footpaths that he
added and it doesn't seem to be there.

ael

That licence is for OS OpenData. That map is overlaid on a copyright OS
map, not the Open Data version. The licenec doesn't release all OS data
as Open Data, only the selected parts.

Additionally, the footpath data belongs to Oxfordshire CC, you need a
licence from them (preferably OGL) and the waiver from OS that releases
the council from the OS viral copyright. AFAIK the council has to ask OS
for that waiver - they may have done this already. Without the OGL
licence from Oxfordshire CC we have to treat the data as copyright and
out-of-bounds to OSM.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Countryside access map

2017-03-24 Thread Dave F


Hi

https://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/cms/content/countryside-access-maps

The PROWs are issued under OGL.

The Crown Copyright is relevant to the OS map the PROWs have been 
overlaid on in this example *only*.

https://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/countrysidemap/

The PROW data remains OGL. This has been discussed numerous times, on 
numerous forums.


Cheers
DaveF.

On 24/03/2017 19:08, David Woolley wrote:

On 24/03/17 18:47, Dave F wrote:

What will? Isn't this issued under OGL?


I think the questions were being asked because the copyright owner and 
licence status wasn't known.


If it has OGL, it might actually be covered by Crown Copyright, which 
might result in a different period of time.


I was going to add that the real issue was the licence, but left that 
out because each licence needs to be individually approved. If it is 
exclusively under the OGL, that has been approved, but one needs to be 
careful, as the OGL only actually applies to the parts for which the 
government owns the rights.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Countryside access map

2017-03-24 Thread ael

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 06:57:58PM +, Chris Hill wrote:
> On 24/03/2017 17:58, ael wrote:
> > I have just noticed a newish mapper who has added many footpaths around
> > Oxfordshire apparently using Bing but with changset comments
> > "from countryside access map".
> > 
> > Is this copyright free? I have sent a polite message welcoming to OSM,
> > but pointing out that rural footpaths usually need a visit, and asking
> > about that map.
> > 
> > Is this likley to be legitimate?
> > 
> > ael
> > 
> A quick search came up with this
> https://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/countrysidemap/
> 
> That matches the name exactly and it is copyright.

Well, the mapper has now replied, saying that indeed thatwas the map,
but that it is open data:

https://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/cms/sites/default/files/folders/documents/environmentandplanning/countryside/access/os-opendata-licence.pdf

which seems to be right?

I have some video of the alleged end of one of the footpaths that he
added and it doesn't seem to be there.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Countryside access map

2017-03-24 Thread David Woolley


On 24/03/17 18:47, Dave F wrote:

What will? Isn't this issued under OGL?


I think the questions were being asked because the copyright owner and 
licence status wasn't known.


If it has OGL, it might actually be covered by Crown Copyright, which 
might result in a different period of time.


I was going to add that the real issue was the licence, but left that 
out because each licence needs to be individually approved.  If it is 
exclusively under the OGL, that has been approved, but one needs to be 
careful, as the OGL only actually applies to the parts for which the 
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Re: [Talk-GB] Countryside access map

2017-03-24 Thread Chris Hill


On 24/03/2017 17:58, ael wrote:

I have just noticed a newish mapper who has added many footpaths around
Oxfordshire apparently using Bing but with changset comments
"from countryside access map".

Is this copyright free? I have sent a polite message welcoming to OSM,
but pointing out that rural footpaths usually need a visit, and asking
about that map.

Is this likley to be legitimate?

ael

A quick search came up with this 
https://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/countrysidemap/


That matches the name exactly and it is copyright.

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[Talk-se] Forshaga import

2017-03-24 Thread Mattias Dalkvist

Hej

Såg detta https://osm.org/go/0ZLQ4SV-?changeset=47127684 när jag tittade på
nya användare.

Är det någon på här som känner till något om en import från Forshaga
kommun? Ser inget på wikin eller import listan.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Countryside access map

2017-03-24 Thread Dave F



On 24/03/2017 18:30, David Woolley wrote:

On 24/03/17 17:58, ael wrote:

Is this copyright free?


Under UK law, it will have, as a minimum, database rights for 15 years 
from publication.


What will? Isn't this issued under OGL?

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Re: [Talk-GB] Countryside access map

2017-03-24 Thread David Woolley


On 24/03/17 17:58, ael wrote:

Is this copyright free?


Under UK law, it will have, as a minimum, database rights for 15 years 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Upcoming removal of landuse=farm in the standard style

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 5:04 PM, joost schouppe
 wrote:
>>
>> Please help me with the cleanup of the area around Reet. I honestly
>> cannot remap all landuse=farm there based on imagery, although I know
>> the area more or less. :-)
>
>
> I'll have a look :)
> What would you prefer for "unsure from imagery"? Just nothing, or a polygon
> tagged fixme? Or something else?
>

Teach me how I can determine the right tags from imagery. During my
lunch break today I was working on the area south of the Pierstraat
and north of Voetweg 32 http://osm.org/go/0EpHov3c-- and further to
the east/north east.
I wonder which tags others would use for the areas covered with grass.
Are there people that are immediately convinced that those areas are
meadows ? Or are you in doubt, perhaps just grass, or even
recreational areas (west of the soccer field) ?

I am mostly interested how other people decide the right
landuse/landcover/natural tag.
Even with pictures from surveys I wonder which tags I should use. What
for areas that are clearly meant for keeping horses, or wet meadows.
There are so many tags to chose from.

A recent problem I had was to tag
https://xian.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2016/2016-11-20-Vremde/i-L3kGV6K  Is
this really a meadow ? Can have a meadow so many trees ? Or is it an
orchard (I don't know a lot about trees), with a lot of grass ?

I would be nice to have an easy way to ask for the proper landuse tags
by posting pictures.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Upcoming removal of landuse=farm in the standard style

Why would you do the mechanical edit ? Just so osm.org does not show
white areas ? Or is there another reason ?

m

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Ben Laenen  wrote:
> On Friday, 24 March 2017 15:43:47 CET Marc Gemis wrote:
>> That's what some want to do in The Netherlands, a mechanical edit from
>> farm to farmland.
>
> That's what I would do. Yes, mechanical edits are bad, but a lot of the
> landuse data isn't really that accurate to begin with and would need
> improvement anyway, especially when landuse=farm has been used, so that we can
> safely replace it.
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[Talk-GB] Countryside access map

2017-03-24 Thread ael

I have just noticed a newish mapper who has added many footpaths around
Oxfordshire apparently using Bing but with changset comments
"from countryside access map".

Is this copyright free? I have sent a polite message welcoming to OSM,
but pointing out that rural footpaths usually need a visit, and asking
about that map.

Is this likley to be legitimate?

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Re: [Talk-us] greenways tagging

2017-03-24 Thread Spencer Gardner

I agree that OSM tags related to bicycle infrastructure could be expanded.
However, I'm not convinced many of the situations raised in this discussion
can't already be addressed by existing tags (e.g. vehicle=no for a street
with no vehicular access).

Bike boulevards are especially tricky, since their design and
implementation can vary significantly. It would seem more appropriate to
treat them as a relation, since it's effectively a branded corridor which
may or may not have any special engineering treatments. Madison, WI, for
example, has several bike boulevards that are regular streets with
virtually no special design but they have blue signs with a bicycle symbol.
Some (myself included) would argue that these are no more or less useful to
a bicyclist than a regular residential street, so giving them special
treatment in OSM would seem misleading. Better to tag the actual design
features (crossing islands, access restrictions) than to rely on a vague
concept.

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Mike N  wrote:

> I have tagged 2 local living_streets that don't quite meet the strict
> European definition, but they are blocked by bollards, which are rarely
> dropped to allow service vehicles to enter.
>
> On 3/23/2017 9:27 PM, Nathaniel V. Kelso wrote:
>
>> The existing OSM wiki documented tags for bicycle needs to grow a bit to
>> describe things like bike boulevards, greenwaves, and buffered_lanes.
>>
>
>  Thanks for the detail - I also get the feeling that OSM tags should be
> expanded to cover more variations  of bike infrastructure.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Nominatim planté...

Ok ça vient d'être corrigé alors. ça faisait une heure que ça ne marchait
plus ("Error 503" apparaissait en rouge dans les résultats de recherche,
juste avant les résultats de GeoNames)

Le 24 mars 2017 à 17:59,  a écrit :

> Soit tu as un problème venant d'ailleurs (avec un 503 ce serait étonnant)
> soit c'est corrigé.
> Test à 17:58
> 
> Jean-Yvon
>
> Le 24/03/2017 à 17:16, Philippe Verdy - verd...@wanadoo.fr a écrit :
>
> "Error 503" sur nominatim.openstreetmap.org lors des recherches sur le
> site OSM.org.
> Espérons quie quelqu'un s'en occupe.
>
> En attendant on n'a que les résultats de GeoNames.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Nominatim planté...

2017-03-24 Thread osm . sanspourriel

Soit tu as un problème venant d'ailleurs (avec un 503 ce serait 
étonnant) soit c'est corrigé.


Test à 17:58 


Jean-Yvon
Le 24/03/2017 à 17:16, Philippe Verdy - verd...@wanadoo.fr a écrit :
"Error 503" sur nominatim.openstreetmap.org 
 lors des recherches sur le site 
OSM.org.

Espérons quie quelqu'un s'en occupe.

En attendant on n'a que les résultats de GeoNames.


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Re: [Talk-us] greenways tagging

2017-03-24 Thread Mike N

I have tagged 2 local living_streets that don't quite meet the strict 
European definition, but they are blocked by bollards, which are rarely 
dropped to allow service vehicles to enter.


On 3/23/2017 9:27 PM, Nathaniel V. Kelso wrote:

The existing OSM wiki documented tags for bicycle needs to grow a bit to
describe things like bike boulevards, greenwaves, and buffered_lanes.


 Thanks for the detail - I also get the feeling that OSM tags should be 
expanded to cover more variations  of bike infrastructure.




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Re: [talk-latam] Fw: [Talk-es] Presentaciones OpenStreetMap en Google Slides

2017-03-24 Thread Juan Jose Iglesias

Excelente, ya las agregue en mi Drive, sugiero a los demás hacer lo mismo

Gracias

JJ @Bolivia

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From: Marco Antonio [mailto:marcoantoniofr...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 3:46 PM
To: OSM LatAm 
Subject: [talk-latam] Fw: [Talk-es] Presentaciones OpenStreetMap en Google 
Slides

Con Miguel hablábamos sobre sus presentaciones para taller de edición y la 
posibilidad de ir mejorando o ajustando. Ahí esta el recurso. Ahí el enlace:

http://bit.ly/osmpresentaciones

Mi idea es mejorarlo para que sean guías de auto-aprendizaje, con más 
referencias, más consejos que a veces no son evidentes y referencias a la wiki. 
el rato que estén las comparto. 

Marco Antonio
@51114u9

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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:05:25 +0100
From: Miguel Sevilla-Callejo 
To: Discusión en Español de OpenStreetMap 
Subject: [Talk-es] Presentaciones OpenStreetMap en Google Slides

Hola,

Desde hace ya varios años he ido realizando, primero de manera particular y más 
recientemente junto con los otros participantes del grupo de Mapeado 
Colaborativo de Zaragoza Activa [1] una serie de presentaciones para introducir 
OpenStreetMap, su edición con iD o con JOSM y cosas relacionadas. Para ello 
he/hemos usado la herramienta de presentaciones que facilita Google [2].

Pienso que quizá esta herramienta no sea la más adecuada pero hasta este 
momento me ha resultado la más rápida y efectiva. En algún momento habrá que 
pasar esto a un formato más estándar y que podamos usar/replicar/colaborar a 
través, por ejemplo, del repositorio de GitHub del grupo [3].

El caso es que algunos compañeros latinoamericanos me comentaron que iban a 
usar parte de ese material y pensé que iba siendo hora de compilarlo todo en un 
mismo lugar a pesar de que ya las fui/fuimos publicando en su momento.

Pues bien, he puesto las principales presentaciones que he/hemos ido realizando 
en estos años:
bit.ly/osmpresentaciones  [4]  (incluso hay una presentación de Jaime Crespo de 
2011!)

Ahí las tenéis, para que las uséis (son todas CC BY-SA) y SOBRETODO si las 
mejoráis os rogaría que nos las hicierais llegar y las pudiéramos, del mismo 
modo, incorporar para ir teniéndolas presentes.

Espero que sea de utilidad.

Un saludo

Miguel

[1] http://mapcolabora.org

[2] https://www.google.com/slides/about/

[3] https://github.com/mapcolabora

[4] http://bit.ly/osmpresentaciones
--> 
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/13w01G-dsqlm2BFoDgqPDm7-A80bzAhJwLDbva0-Tkpg/edit?usp=sharing

--

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Doctor en Geografía

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[OSM-talk-fr] Nominatim planté...

"Error 503" sur nominatim.openstreetmap.org lors des recherches sur le site
OSM.org.
Espérons quie quelqu'un s'en occupe.

En attendant on n'a que les résultats de GeoNames.
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Upcoming removal of landuse=farm in the standard style

2017-03-24 Thread joost schouppe

>
> > I'm mostly talking as data consumer here. I'd like to know if there are
> > cows, plants or cows-or-plants.
>
> When mappers always use farmland for crops and meadow for cows (or
> horses), the data consumer will never find an area cows-or-plants.
>

yes, that's exactly what I would like to see.


>
> Please help me with the cleanup of the area around Reet. I honestly
> cannot remap all landuse=farm there based on imagery, although I know
> the area more or less. :-)
>

I'll have a look :)
What would you prefer for "unsure from imagery"? Just nothing, or a polygon
tagged fixme? Or something else?


> On the other hand, you will never know for sure whether farmland is
> for crops, as the wiki in some languages states that you can use it
> for crops and meadows.
>

Yes, that is a problem. So maybe an approach like landuse=farmland + a tag
specifying use (cropland vs grazing land) would be better.
But I was only talking about the Belgian (or even Flemish) use, where
farmland means cropland 99% of the time. Unless we do that mechanical edit
the Dutch want to do.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Upcoming removal of landuse=farm in the standard style

2017-03-24 Thread joost schouppe

>
>
> > That's what some want to do in The Netherlands, a mechanical edit from
> > farm to farmland.
>
> That's what I would do. Yes, mechanical edits are bad, but a lot of the
> landuse data isn't really that accurate to begin with and would need
> improvement anyway, especially when landuse=farm has been used, so that we
> can
> safely replace it.
>

I would see that huge gaping hole in landuse if we just leave landuse=farm
as a perfect motivator to remap it (almost) from scratch. As Marc said, a
lot of it isn't even farmland, and it's mapped with really poor geometry. I
think it would be a good thing not to render it anymore.
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Re: [Talk-lt] Konferencija „Ar galime atverti“

> Kažkaip matau dvigubą darbą. Visimarsrutai.lt juk irgi suinteresuoti
> tvarkingais duomenimis, tai kodėl jie ne OSM taiso, o pildo uždaras
> privačios UAB HNIT duomenų bazes? HNITui tie maršrutų duomenys, spėju, irgi
> nelabai reikalingi...

  OSM be papildomų mechanizmų (kuriuos dar ir reikėtų parašyti)
niekaip negalės užtikrinti, kad tvarkingai įvestų duomenų niekas
nepakeis. Plius valstybinėms įmonėms reikia, kad duomenys įvedami būtų
tik iš aiškių/patvirtintų šaltinių.

  Žodžiu OSM netinka kaip tiesiog vieta, kur valstybinės organizacijos
„laikytų“ savo duomenis. OSM tinka kaip duomenų platinimo, kokybės
tikrinimo ir pasikeitimų aptikimo platforma.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Upcoming removal of landuse=farm in the standard style

2017-03-24 Thread Ben Laenen

On Friday, 24 March 2017 15:43:47 CET Marc Gemis wrote:
> That's what some want to do in The Netherlands, a mechanical edit from
> farm to farmland.

That's what I would do. Yes, mechanical edits are bad, but a lot of the 
landuse data isn't really that accurate to begin with and would need 
improvement anyway, especially when landuse=farm has been used, so that we can 
safely replace it.

Ben

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] cycleway=opposite ou oneway:bicycle=no

2017-03-24 Thread Axelos

Coucou,

Le 24/03/2017 à 16:23, Charles MILLET a écrit :
> J'ai un doute sur la façon de cartographier une route à sens unique qui
> est utilisable à contre sens par les vélos sans aménagement particulier
> (ni piste, ni bande).
> 
> La page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle m'inciterait plutôt
> à utiliser /oneway:bicycle=no/
> 
> La page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:cycleway%3Dopposite
> m'inciterait elle plus à utiliser /cycleway=opposite/ et même à corriger
> les /oneway:bicycle=no/
> 
> Les 2 semblent être acceptés, est-ce qu'il y aurait selon vous une
> subtilité pour choisir entre l'un ou l'autre ? J'avais une préférence
> pour /oneway:bicycle=no /car cela n'introduisait pas la confusion avec
> l'éventuelle présence d'une /cycleway/.

Perso j'utilise cycleway=opposite, probablement pour la simplicité du
tag. Les bandes cyclables étant plutôt désignés par
cycleway:left=opposite_lane (ou cycleway=opposite_lane), ça me semble ne
pas prêter à confusion.

Par contre sil y a contradiction sur le wiki, se serait bien de diriger
sur le même tag par défaut.

Cordialement.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] overpass query

Sorry voor het late antwoord,

kijk eens naar het voorbeeld


  


  
  


  
  


op https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_API/Language_Guide

Die  zorgt ervoor dat de nodes van een way meekomen.

2017-03-22 19:53 GMT+01:00 Karel Adams :
> Marc, dat is helemaal correct, mea culpa.
>
> Vermits de output er voor de rest erg gelijkaardig uitziet wordt mijn vraag
> dus:
>
> "wat voeg ik aan mijn aanvankelijke query toe om ook dat onderste blok data
> er bij te krijgen?"
>
> Ter herinnering hier nogmaals die aanvankelijke query:
>
> 
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> 
>
>
>
> On 22/03/17 06:13, Marc Gemis wrote:
>>
>> 2017-03-22 6:46 GMT+01:00 Karel Adams :
>>>
>>> Ik heb die query losgelaten op de buurt van luchthaven Deurne, echter het
>>> resultaat heeft precies hetzelfde nadeel als wat ik zelf reeds voorhad:
>>> de
>>> nodes zijn er netjes met hun coordinaten; echter de ways zijn
>>> samengesteld
>>> uit nodes maar van die nodes zijn er geen coordinaten. Klein
>>> uittrekseltje:
>>
>> heb je ver genoeg naar beneden gescrolled ? ln het resultaat van die
>> query run zie ik na alle "ways"
>>
>> ...
>>> timestamp="2007-12-27T19:40:40Z" changeset="442786" uid="6072"
>> user="Eimai">
>>  
>>
>>> timestamp="2012-01-27T18:27:36Z" changeset="10514973" uid="6072"
>> user="Eimai"/>
>>> timestamp="2007-12-27T19:40:40Z" changeset="442786" uid="6072"
>> user="Eimai">
>>  
>>
>> ...
>>
>> je moet dus de ref van bv.  
>>
>> "gaan zoeken" bij de nodes door de ref te matchen met een node id.
>>
>> m
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[OSM-talk-fr] cycleway=opposite ou oneway:bicycle=no

2017-03-24 Thread Charles MILLET


Bonjour,

J'ai un doute sur la façon de cartographier une route à sens unique qui 
est utilisable à contre sens par les vélos sans aménagement particulier 
(ni piste, ni bande).


La page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle m'inciterait plutôt 
à utiliser /oneway:bicycle=no/


La page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:cycleway%3Dopposite 
m'inciterait elle plus à utiliser /cycleway=opposite/ et même à corriger 
les /oneway:bicycle=no/


Les 2 semblent être acceptés, est-ce qu'il y aurait selon vous une 
subtilité pour choisir entre l'un ou l'autre ? J'avais une préférence 
pour /oneway:bicycle=no /car cela n'introduisait pas la confusion avec 
l'éventuelle présence d'une /cycleway/.


Bonne journée.
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-GB] Import Progress

2017-03-24 Thread Harry Wood

I've created a wiki page specifically about the tree data import.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Birmingham_City_Council_trees_data

It would be better if somebody involved in running the import, would do this 
(per the Import Guidelines), but I've drawn together various info I could find 
from Brian's blog posts, and from poking at the data myself.

I didn't poke at the origin data. We could document the complete list of fields 
they provide.
Also is the whole data set is now imported? I count ~43000 nodes, but Brian's 
blog mentions 76,000 trees. How many changesets was that? To what extent has 
the data now been modified after import? What is 'usrn'?

Harry

Andy Townsend wrote:
> If it exists, an actual link would be really useful here.  I'm aware of 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb-westmidlands/2017-March/002127.html
>  
> but that is by no means a "well-defined and transparent plan". 
...
> It'd be great to be able to move forward here - to identify the parts of 
> the process that were missed, to have a discussion about tags (including 
> answering e.g. Will's questions from 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2017-March/020058.html 
> ).  The replies to this thread make it pretty clear that the West 
> Midlands group has some work to do to persuade the majority of the UK 
> OSM community that the approach taken so far is a good one.

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2017-03-24 Thread Harry Wood

I've created a wiki page specifically about the tree data import.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Birmingham_City_Council_trees_data

It would be better if somebody involved in running the import, would do this 
(per the Import Guidelines), but I've drawn together various info I could find 
from Brian's blog posts, and from poking at the data myself.

I didn't poke at the origin data. We could document the complete list of fields 
they provide.
Also is the whole data set is now imported? I count ~43000 nodes, but Brian's 
blog mentions 76,000 trees. How many changesets was that? To what extent has 
the data now been modified after import? What is 'usrn'?

Harry

Andy Townsend wrote:
> If it exists, an actual link would be really useful here.  I'm aware of 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb-westmidlands/2017-March/002127.html
>  
> but that is by no means a "well-defined and transparent plan". 
...
> It'd be great to be able to move forward here - to identify the parts of 
> the process that were missed, to have a discussion about tags (including 
> answering e.g. Will's questions from 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2017-March/020058.html 
> ).  The replies to this thread make it pretty clear that the West 
> Midlands group has some work to do to persuade the majority of the UK 
> OSM community that the approach taken so far is a good one.

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Re: [Talk-lt] Konferencija „Ar galime atverti“

2017-03-24 Thread Eduardas Kriščiūnas

Kažkaip matau dvigubą darbą. Visimarsrutai.lt juk irgi suinteresuoti 
tvarkingais duomenimis, tai kodėl jie ne OSM taiso, o pildo uždaras 
privačios UAB HNIT duomenų bazes? HNITui tie maršrutų duomenys, spėju, 
irgi nelabai reikalingi...


Paulius Masiliūnas rašė:
Kas liečia dėl viešojo transporto, kaip ir Tomas minėjo, aš bandžiau 
žiūrėti kokia situacija su duomenimis OSM ir VKTI, tai pasidariau tokį 
žemėlapį http://osm.pauliaus.com (tik žiūriu, kad šiuo metu kažkodėl 
neužkrauna iš OSM tile) ir dar ten buvau pasidares šioki toki stotelių 
dublikatų paiešką. Šiaip visas stotelės galima pasiimti iš čia: 
http://osm.pauliaus.com/stops.xml, o pagal mano algoritmą (kuris gali 
būti ir nelabai tikslus) stotelių dublikatus galima gauti iš čia: 
http://osm.pauliaus.com/duplicateStops.json.


Tai jei kas nori gali užsiimti stotelių tvarkymais. Kai bus normaliai 
sutvarkytos stotelės, bus galima pagalvoti ir apie pačių maršrutų 
tikrinimą, nes aš ir tuos duomenis gaunu.


P.S. Šiaip visus duomenis emu iš 
http://www.visimarsrutai.lt/gtfs/google_transit.zip


2017-03-24 14:48 GMT+02:00 Tomas Straupis >:


> Viešajam visos Lietuvos transportui matauhttp://www.visimarsrutai.lt/ kaip
> gerą šaltinį.  ArcGIS sąsaja yra laisvai prieinama. Ar yra
susitarta dėl
> duomenų ėmimo iš VKTI ir LAKD?

  Taip, susitarta su LAKD. Su Pauliumi jau buvo net padaryti pradiniai
duomenų paėmimo ir lyginimo su OSM bandymai, kažkiek pataisymų OSM'e,
kažkiek klaidų buvo nusiųsta LAKD'ui. Tik kad neatsirado norinčiu
užsiimti sulyginimo rezultatais (taisyti duomenis OSM'e arba
pranešinėti apie klaidas LAKD'ui), tai ta šaka taip ir nuvėso.

  Šiaip visi mano anksčiau paminėti duomenų poaibiai turi išbandytus
išorinius šaltinius. Su šituo problemų nėra. Reikia grynai tik žmonių,
kurie norėtų užsiimti lyginimo rezultatų apdorojimu (keitimu OSM'e).

  Nepamirškime, kad OSM'e jau pilna duomenų, tai kažkoks „automatinis
importas“ jau praktiškai nebeįmanomas ir nepageidaujamas, nes beveik
visų poaibių atvejų yra dalis info, kuri OSM'e teisinga, o išoriniame
šaltinyje - ne.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Upcoming removal of landuse=farm in the standard style

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 9:11 PM, Jakka  wrote:
> landuse=meadow
> landuse=grass
> landuse=farmland
> landuse=* plantgrowing
> landuse= 
>
> When you are living the countryside, I see every season that the farmer use
> the crop rotation most of the landuse you define will be wrong the next
> season.
> My personal opinion
>

do you mean that one year it is meadow (weide/weiland) and the other
year farmland (crop growing / akker/veld) ?

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Upcoming removal of landuse=farm in the standard style

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 5:15 PM, joost schouppe
 wrote:
> I'm mostly talking as data consumer here. I'd like to know if there are
> cows, plants or cows-or-plants.

When mappers always use farmland for crops and meadow for cows (or
horses), the data consumer will never find an area cows-or-plants.

>
> When mapping landuse from imagery, you can do it 99% OK from aerial imagery.
> In the few cases where the difference is not so clear, I prefer a tag saying
> "some sort of agricultural land".

Please help me with the cleanup of the area around Reet. I honestly
cannot remap all landuse=farm there based on imagery, although I know
the area more or less. :-)
I doubt that everything that is mapped as farm right now, has to
become meadow/farmland. It's meanly the meadow and other "grass" that
you cannot see from the sky.

>
> The risk I see is people retagging all "farm" to "farmland". That way, you
> lose two things:
> - the meaning of the farmland tag as "here be plantgrowing"
> - the meaning of the general farm tag as "here be undefined land"

That's what some want to do in The Netherlands, a mechanical edit from
farm to farmland.
On the other hand, you will never know for sure whether farmland is
for crops, as the wiki in some languages states that you can use it
for crops and meadows.
This is similar to the problem of wood/forest where no-one knows
whether it is an area used for timber or just a place where you find
some trees.

m.

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Re: [Talk-it] tool per controllare gli edits in un'area ERA Fwd: [OSM-talk] Responding to vandalism

2017-03-24 Thread Davide Sandona'

Giovanni, potresti provare a riavviare il tuo router e vedere se dopo aver
ristabilito la connessione il tool riprende in automatico a controllare la
zona? Ho come l'impressione che ci sia un bug...

Davide.

Il giorno 24 marzo 2017 11:11, Davide Sandona' 
ha scritto:

> Grazie per le correzioni, sono state delle sviste :)
> Solamente il sudo per il comando "docker build ..." non me lo spiego,
> dovrebbe funzionare senza!
>
> Davide.
>
> Il giorno 24 marzo 2017 09:06, Cascafico Giovanni 
> ha scritto:
>
>> Grazie: semplice e ben spiegata. Ho fatto degli aggiustamenti per poter
>> eseguire il build sul mio raspberry zero. Suppongo siano stati errori di
>> battitura.
>>
>>
>> Il giorno 23 marzo 2017 20:58, Davide Sandona' 
>> ha scritto:
>>
>>> Ecco qui una mini guida per installare questo tool su Raspberry Pi: [1]
>>>
>>> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Davide_sd/OSM_Analy
>>> tic_Tracker
>>>
>>> Davide.
>>>
>>> Il giorno 23 marzo 2017 11:05, Davide Sandona' >> > ha scritto:
>>>
 Al momento l'installazione più semplice è attraverso Docker.
 Smanettando un po' dovresti riuscire ad installarlo anche senza docker, ma
 ti conviene? Docker è veramente comodo per questo tipo di cose.
 Piuttosto, nei prossimi giorni proverò a separare meglio (su Docker) i
 vari servizi che compongono questo tool, in modo da ricostruire solamente
 quello che serve in caso di modifiche delle impostazioni.
 Se qualcuno è interessato alla procedura dettagliata per installarlo
 sul Raspberry, posso scrivere una paginetta wiki in serata.


 Davide.

 Il giorno 23 marzo 2017 09:07, Cascafico Giovanni 
 ha scritto:

> Il 23/mar/2017 01:08, "Davide Sandona'"  ha
> scritto:
>
> > Sono appena riuscito ad installarlo sul raspberry, ed ora via con la
> fase di test!! Tra l'altro è abbastanza semplice fare le impostazioni
> iniziali.
>
> Ma deve appoggiarsi a docker o funziona da solo?
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Re: [Talk-lt] Konferencija „Ar galime atverti“

2017-03-24 Thread Paulius Masiliūnas

Kas liečia dėl viešojo transporto, kaip ir Tomas minėjo, aš bandžiau
žiūrėti kokia situacija su duomenimis OSM ir VKTI, tai pasidariau tokį
žemėlapį http://osm.pauliaus.com (tik žiūriu, kad šiuo metu kažkodėl
neužkrauna iš OSM tile) ir dar ten buvau pasidares šioki toki stotelių
dublikatų paiešką. Šiaip visas stotelės galima pasiimti iš čia:
http://osm.pauliaus.com/stops.xml, o pagal mano algoritmą (kuris gali būti
ir nelabai tikslus) stotelių dublikatus galima gauti iš čia:
http://osm.pauliaus.com/duplicateStops.json.

Tai jei kas nori gali užsiimti stotelių tvarkymais. Kai bus normaliai
sutvarkytos stotelės, bus galima pagalvoti ir apie pačių maršrutų
tikrinimą, nes aš ir tuos duomenis gaunu.

P.S. Šiaip visus duomenis emu iš
http://www.visimarsrutai.lt/gtfs/google_transit.zip

2017-03-24 14:48 GMT+02:00 Tomas Straupis :

> > Viešajam visos Lietuvos transportui matau http://www.visimarsrutai.lt/
> kaip
> > gerą šaltinį.  ArcGIS sąsaja yra laisvai prieinama. Ar yra susitarta dėl
> > duomenų ėmimo iš VKTI ir LAKD?
>
>   Taip, susitarta su LAKD. Su Pauliumi jau buvo net padaryti pradiniai
> duomenų paėmimo ir lyginimo su OSM bandymai, kažkiek pataisymų OSM'e,
> kažkiek klaidų buvo nusiųsta LAKD'ui. Tik kad neatsirado norinčiu
> užsiimti sulyginimo rezultatais (taisyti duomenis OSM'e arba
> pranešinėti apie klaidas LAKD'ui), tai ta šaka taip ir nuvėso.
>
>   Šiaip visi mano anksčiau paminėti duomenų poaibiai turi išbandytus
> išorinius šaltinius. Su šituo problemų nėra. Reikia grynai tik žmonių,
> kurie norėtų užsiimti lyginimo rezultatų apdorojimu (keitimu OSM'e).
>
>   Nepamirškime, kad OSM'e jau pilna duomenų, tai kažkoks „automatinis
> importas“ jau praktiškai nebeįmanomas ir nepageidaujamas, nes beveik
> visų poaibių atvejų yra dalis info, kuri OSM'e teisinga, o išoriniame
> šaltinyje - ne.
>
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Re: [Talk-cat] Noms dels carrers

2017-03-24 Thread Joan

El dia 24 març 2017 7:32 a. m., "Xavier Barnada"  va
escriure:

Hola,

La plantilla que enllaces fa referencia a la llicència CC-BY-SA que es la
llicència vella.
Crec que per fer-ho correctamente s'hauria de seguir aquesta guia de
importació https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines

Tot i això crec que seria més fàcil treure els noms dels carrers del
cadastre.

Si, en cas que hi siguin ho faig via cadastre, però moltes vegades els
carrers petits no hi són.
Moltes gràcies igualment pel link


Salutacions
Xevi

El dj., 23 març 2017, 22:50, Joan  va escriure:

> I si em responen afirmativament al correu tipus aquest, llavors entenc que
> si no? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Permission_letter_template
>
> El dia 23 de març de 2017 a les 6:03, Xavier Barnada 
> ha escrit:
>
> No, de fet fins i tot en el cas que fossin en llicència creative commons
> podria ser que no fossin compatibles perquè no permetessin l'ús comercial.
>
> Salutacions
> Xevi
>
> El dc., 22 març 2017, 23:12, Joan  va escriure:
>
> I en el cas en què l'ajuntament sigui qui em proporcioni les dades IDI són
> els noms dels carrers també? No es consideraria públic dlmain?
>
> On 22 Mar 2017 08:24, "Xavier Barnada"  wrote:
>
> Hola Joan,
>
> Les dades que s'incorporen de altres fonts com ara mapes han de tindre una
> llicència compatible amb la Odbl. En el cas de el mapa de l'ajuntament no
> crec que sigui el cas.
>
> Salutacions
> Xevi
>
> El dt., 21 març 2017, 23:26, Joan  va escriure:
>
> Estic mirant de completar alguns pobles de la garrotxa que tenen molts
> carrers sense nom, si faig servir l'informació que hi ha a la pàgina de
> l'ajuntament o que em passins per correu, puc fer servir com a font
> 'knowledge' o s'ha d'indicar amb alguna etiqueta concreta (o per alguna
> cosa no es pot fer servir, no se ..)
>
> Salut,
>
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Re: [Talk-lt] Konferencija „Ar galime atverti“

> Viešajam visos Lietuvos transportui matau http://www.visimarsrutai.lt/ kaip
> gerą šaltinį.  ArcGIS sąsaja yra laisvai prieinama. Ar yra susitarta dėl
> duomenų ėmimo iš VKTI ir LAKD?

  Taip, susitarta su LAKD. Su Pauliumi jau buvo net padaryti pradiniai
duomenų paėmimo ir lyginimo su OSM bandymai, kažkiek pataisymų OSM'e,
kažkiek klaidų buvo nusiųsta LAKD'ui. Tik kad neatsirado norinčiu
užsiimti sulyginimo rezultatais (taisyti duomenis OSM'e arba
pranešinėti apie klaidas LAKD'ui), tai ta šaka taip ir nuvėso.

  Šiaip visi mano anksčiau paminėti duomenų poaibiai turi išbandytus
išorinius šaltinius. Su šituo problemų nėra. Reikia grynai tik žmonių,
kurie norėtų užsiimti lyginimo rezultatų apdorojimu (keitimu OSM'e).

  Nepamirškime, kad OSM'e jau pilna duomenų, tai kažkoks „automatinis
importas“ jau praktiškai nebeįmanomas ir nepageidaujamas, nes beveik
visų poaibių atvejų yra dalis info, kuri OSM'e teisinga, o išoriniame
šaltinyje - ne.

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Re: [Talk-lt] Konferencija „Ar galime atverti“

2017-03-24 Thread Domas Jokubauskis


Sveiki,


   Tai
priminsiu sritis, jei kas susidomėsite - rašykite arba čia, arba man
asmeniškai - sutarsime kaip galima pastumti reikalus pirmyn:
   * Viešasis transportas (visos Lietuvos, Vilniaus)
Viešajam visos Lietuvos transportui matau http://www.visimarsrutai.lt/ 
kaip gerą šaltinį.  ArcGIS sąsaja yra laisvai prieinama. Ar yra 
susitarta dėl duomenų ėmimo iš VKTI ir LAKD?


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http://domas.jokubauskis.lt


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Re: [Talk-lt] Konferencija „Ar galime atverti“

> Tomai, gal galima daugiau info paskelbti apie tas ataskaitas? Dabar panašiai
> kaip su "atvirais duomenimis" - viskas atvira, bet pirma reikia kažkur pas
> kažką registruotis ir tada kažką gausi :) Blog'e lygtais nėra, sąrašyne gal
> ir buvo kažkada. Gal užtektų papildyti nuorodas?

  Kol kas nuorodą galiu duoti tik tokią:
  http://patrulis.openmap.lt/isoriniai.php

  Čia pagrinde galima žiūrėti wikipedia* ir Vilniaus adresų
palyginimus. Kiti sulyginimai (kelių geometrijų, gyvenviečių) nėra
kažkaip gražiai viešai sudėti, nes neatsirado susidomėjusių (apie
tokių sinchronizavimų pradinį atsiradimą buvo rašyta tiek čia talk-lt,
apie kitus ir bloge, tarkim apie kelių lyginimus), tai man pačiam sau
darytis kažkokį publikavimą per daug papildomo darbo gaunasi.
  Mano pradinis tikslas yra tik pažiūrėti, AR YRA susidomėjusių
galutiniu duomenų tvarkymu.

  Dėl detalesnės info - pilnai sutinku. Yra planas po truputį rašyti
įrašus bloge apie konkrečius poaibius, kurių lyginimas vykdomas,
kokios būna klaidos, kokie sprendimai, kokia istorinė patirtis ir pan.
Bet vis to laiko pritrūksta...

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Re: [Talk-cz] Presun stranek na wiki

Jo, takhle bychom to udelat mohli a meli.

Anglicka stranka s obecnyma informace a kontaktem

a ceska s tim zbytkem prelozena do cestiny.

 

Dalibor

 

From: Marián Kyral [mailto:mky...@email.cz] 
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 12:56 PM
To: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
Subject: Re: [Talk-cz] Presun stranek na wiki

 

No ale i těm cizincům by se měly naservírovat nějaké základní informace.
Kouknul jsem k sousedům a tam to mají takto: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Slovakia

Možná by to chtělo omrknout i další státy.

Marián

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Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Presun stranek na wiki 

Ja bych rekl, ze by mela byt cesky.

Je prece jen spise pro nas nez pro cizince...

 

Dalibor

 

From: Marián Kyral [mailto:mky...@email.cz] 
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 12:32 PM
To: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic  >
Subject: Re: [Talk-cz] Presun stranek na wiki

 

Já nejsem proti, wiki potřebuje uklidit a jsem rád, že ses do toho pustil s 
takovou vervou ;-)

Akorát nevím, ta stránka má být v jakém jazyce? Česky? Anglicky? Aktuální stav 
je takový kočkopes :-D

Marián

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Datum: 24. 3. 2017 11:55:05
Předmět: [Talk-cz] Presun stranek na wiki 

Ahoj,

chtěl bych přesunout stránku 

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Czech_Republic

a její podstránky na adresu 

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:WikiProject_Czech_Republic

aby začaly fungovat odkazy správně.

Samozřejmě tam nastavím přesměrování, takže dosavadní odkazy by 

měly nadále fungovat.

 

Máte někdo něco proti tomu?

Kdo mlčí, souhlasí...  ;-)

 

Mějte se,

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Re: [Talk-lt] Konferencija „Ar galime atverti“

2017-03-24 Thread Ramas

2017-03-24 12:36 GMT+02:00 Tomas Straupis :

> Tai kad per daug tamsia nuotaika neišeitume į savaitgalį priminsiu,
> kad jau turime gerą gabalą atvirų duomenų, kuriuos reikia „suvalgyti“
> - integruoti į OSM. Techninė pusė (duomenų gavimas, palyginimas,
> problemų identifikavimas) jau padaryti, tik žiauriai trūksta žmonių,
> norinčių užsiimti sugeneruotų ataskaitų peržiūra ir atitinkamai OSM
> duomenų tvarkymo arba išorinių duomenų klaidų identifikavimu. Tai
> priminsiu sritis, jei kas susidomėsite - rašykite arba čia, arba man
> asmeniškai - sutarsime kaip galima pastumti reikalus pirmyn:
>

Tomai, gal galima daugiau info paskelbti apie tas ataskaitas? Dabar
panašiai kaip su "atvirais duomenimis" - viskas atvira, bet pirma reikia
kažkur pas kažką registruotis ir tada kažką gausi :) Blog'e lygtais nėra,
sąrašyne gal ir buvo kažkada. Gal užtektų papildyti nuorodas?
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Re: [Talk-cz] Presun stranek na wiki

2017-03-24 Thread Marián Kyral

EDIT: tak jsem koukal na DE, PL, HU a všichni na cizince prdí :-(

Marián

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Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Presun stranek na wiki
"No ale i těm cizincům by se měly naservírovat nějaké základní informace.
Kouknul jsem k sousedům a tam to mají takto: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/
wiki/WikiProject_Slovakia

Možná by to chtělo omrknout i další státy.

Marián

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Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Presun stranek na wiki
"


Ja bych rekl, ze by mela byt cesky.

Je prece jen spise pro nas nez pro cizince...

 

Dalibor

 




 From: Marián Kyral [mailto:mky...@email.cz]
 Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 12:32 PM
 To: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
 Subject: Re: [Talk-cz] Presun stranek na wiki



 

Já nejsem proti, wiki potřebuje uklidit a jsem rád, že ses do toho pustil s
takovou vervou ;-)

Akorát nevím, ta stránka má být v jakém jazyce? Česky? Anglicky? Aktuální
stav je takový kočkopes :-D

Marián

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"


Ahoj,

chtěl bych přesunout stránku

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Czech_Republic
(https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Czech_Republic)

a její podstránky na adresu

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:WikiProject_Czech_Republic
(https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:WikiProject_Czech_Republic)

aby začaly fungovat odkazy správně.

Samozřejmě tam nastavím přesměrování, takže dosavadní odkazy by

měly nadále fungovat.

 

Máte někdo něco proti tomu?

Kdo mlčí, souhlasí...  ;-)

 

Mějte se,

Dalibor



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Re: [Talk-cz] Presun stranek na wiki

2017-03-24 Thread Marián Kyral

No ale i těm cizincům by se měly naservírovat nějaké základní informace.
Kouknul jsem k sousedům a tam to mají takto: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/
wiki/WikiProject_Slovakia

Možná by to chtělo omrknout i další státy.

Marián

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"


Ja bych rekl, ze by mela byt cesky.

Je prece jen spise pro nas nez pro cizince...

 

Dalibor

 




 From: Marián Kyral [mailto:mky...@email.cz]
 Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 12:32 PM
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 Subject: Re: [Talk-cz] Presun stranek na wiki



 

Já nejsem proti, wiki potřebuje uklidit a jsem rád, že ses do toho pustil s
takovou vervou ;-)

Akorát nevím, ta stránka má být v jakém jazyce? Česky? Anglicky? Aktuální
stav je takový kočkopes :-D

Marián

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"


Ahoj,

chtěl bych přesunout stránku

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Czech_Republic
(https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Czech_Republic)

a její podstránky na adresu

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:WikiProject_Czech_Republic
(https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:WikiProject_Czech_Republic)

aby začaly fungovat odkazy správně.

Samozřejmě tam nastavím přesměrování, takže dosavadní odkazy by

měly nadále fungovat.

 

Máte někdo něco proti tomu?

Kdo mlčí, souhlasí...  ;-)

 

Mějte se,

Dalibor



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Re: [Talk-lt] Konferencija „Ar galime atverti“

2017 m. kovo 24 d. 13:42, Eduardas Kriščiūnas rašė:
> Prašau plačiau paaiškinti kas negerai su žemiau išvardintais duomenimis
> OSMe.

  Duomenis neužtenka įvesti. Duomenis reikia ir prižiūrėti, nes jie
nėra statiški. Visi duomenys keičiasi. Plius duomenis OSM'e kartais
neteisingai pakeičia žymėtojai. Todėl vykdomas periodinis lyginimas
išorinio šaltinio ir OSM duomenų. Taip aptinkamos problemos tiek
OSM'e, tiek ir išoriniame šaltinyje. Nesutapimą identifikuoja
automatas, o kur klaida, OSM ar išoriniame šaltinyje identifikuoja
žmogus. Jei klaida OSM'e - ji pataisoma. Jei klaida išoriniame
šaltinyje - pranešama tų duomenų valdytojui, kuris ištaiso klaidą
(arba paaiškina, kad klaidos nėra, nes abcd).

  Tik naudojant lyginimą su išoriniais šaltiniais galima pasiekti, kad
kažkoks konkretus OSM duomenų poaibis būtų PILNAS (o ne biškį gatvių
yra, biškį nėra, biški neteisingos, Baibalių gatvės adresai yra, o
Džiuginėnų - tik trys:-).

  Kitavertus, nei vienas iš aukščiau mano išvardintų duomenų poaibių
dar nė karto nebuvo sulygintas su išoriniu šaltiniu (kad sutaptų bent
jau 99%). Taigi pradinis tikslas yra „sutapatinti“, o tada
„prižiūrėti“.

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Ja bych rekl, ze by mela byt cesky.

Je prece jen spise pro nas nez pro cizince...

 

Dalibor

 

From: Marián Kyral [mailto:mky...@email.cz] 
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 12:32 PM
To: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
Subject: Re: [Talk-cz] Presun stranek na wiki

 

Já nejsem proti, wiki potřebuje uklidit a jsem rád, že ses do toho pustil s 
takovou vervou ;-)

Akorát nevím, ta stránka má být v jakém jazyce? Česky? Anglicky? Aktuální stav 
je takový kočkopes :-D

Marián

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Ahoj,

chtěl bych přesunout stránku 

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Czech_Republic

a její podstránky na adresu 

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:WikiProject_Czech_Republic

aby začaly fungovat odkazy správně.

Samozřejmě tam nastavím přesměrování, takže dosavadní odkazy by 

měly nadále fungovat.

 

Máte někdo něco proti tomu?

Kdo mlčí, souhlasí...  ;-)

 

Mějte se,

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Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Import Progress

2017-03-24 Thread Dan S

2017-03-24 11:31 GMT+00:00 Andy Mabbett :
> On 24 March 2017 at 00:48, Andy Townsend  wrote:
>
>> On 19/03/2017 14:57, Andy Mabbett wrote:
>>>
>>> "On 19 March 2017 at 13:13, ajt1...@gmail.com  wrote:

 On 19/03/2017 12:52, Andy Mabbett wrote:
>
> I'm told that Brian has been blocked for these edits This is
> outrageous.

 No, he was sent this message:

 https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/1271
>>>
>>> Which opens with the words "brianboru blocked by SomeoneElse"
>
> [Snip long explanation confirming that Brian was indeed blocked]

Andy M, you're being pedantic. The "block" mechanism was used to send
a message to him, with no blocking effect in practice. It's clear as
day.

Dan

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Re: [Talk-cz] Presun stranek na wiki

2017-03-24 Thread Marián Kyral

Já nejsem proti, wiki potřebuje uklidit a jsem rád, že ses do toho pustil s
takovou vervou ;-)

Akorát nevím, ta stránka má být v jakém jazyce? Česky? Anglicky? Aktuální
stav je takový kočkopes :-D

Marián

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Ahoj,

chtěl bych přesunout stránku

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Czech_Republic
(https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Czech_Republic)

a její podstránky na adresu

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:WikiProject_Czech_Republic
(https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:WikiProject_Czech_Republic)

aby začaly fungovat odkazy správně.

Samozřejmě tam nastavím přesměrování, takže dosavadní odkazy by

měly nadále fungovat.

 

Máte někdo něco proti tomu?

Kdo mlčí, souhlasí...  ;-)

 

Mějte se,

Dalibor


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Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Import Progress

2017-03-24 Thread Andy Mabbett

On 24 March 2017 at 00:48, Andy Townsend  wrote:

> On 19/03/2017 14:57, Andy Mabbett wrote:
>>
>> "On 19 March 2017 at 13:13, ajt1...@gmail.com  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 19/03/2017 12:52, Andy Mabbett wrote:

 I'm told that Brian has been blocked for these edits This is
 outrageous.
>>>
>>> No, he was sent this message:
>>>
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/1271
>>
>> Which opens with the words "brianboru blocked by SomeoneElse"

[Snip long explanation confirming that Brian was indeed blocked]

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Re: [Talk-cz] Presun stranek na wiki

2017-03-24 Thread Lukas Novotny

Souhlasím.

Čus
Lukáš

Dne 24. března 2017 11:53 Dalibor Jelínek  napsal(a):

> Ahoj,
>
> chtěl bych přesunout stránku
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Czech_Republic
>
> a její podstránky na adresu
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:WikiProject_Czech_Republic
>
> aby začaly fungovat odkazy správně.
>
> Samozřejmě tam nastavím přesměrování, takže dosavadní odkazy by
>
> měly nadále fungovat.
>
>
>
> Máte někdo něco proti tomu?
>
> Kdo mlčí, souhlasí...  ;-)
>
>
>
> Mějte se,
>
> Dalibor
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSM UK (was "Import Progress")

2017-03-24 Thread Andy Mabbett

On 24 March 2017 at 01:11, Andy Townsend  wrote:

> I suspect that it's unavoidable that if a prominent member of a group or
> organisations says or does something, that people think that it's at the
> very least condoned by that organisation.

and:

> (for the avoidance of doubt, writing this in an entirely personal
> capacity

[Posted without further comment]

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Re: [Talk-it] ritorna l'Utente Pasticcione

2017-03-24 Thread Marco

Ho scritto io al data working group, dicono che in molti hanno chiesto 
di tenerlo sotto controllo e che potrebbe essere lo stesso che utilizza 
questo altro account https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/gnuckx


Per ora è bloccato

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/select/blocks



Il 22/03/2017 12:11, Marco ha scritto:
Ciao, almeno a te ha risposto, io ho commentato due changeset ma non 
sembra aver intenzione di rispondermi.
Franco, scrivi al data working group, spiega brevemente la situazione 
e provvederanno loro a richiamarlo ed eventualmente fare il revert di 
qualche suo changeset.


Il 21/03/2017 21:53, Alfredo Gattai ha scritto:
l'utente e' "select" ho provato a contattarlo ma mi ha dato 
sostanzialmente del burocrate e sostiene che OSM e' una mappa e 
quindi di fatto mappa per il rendering facendo cose tipo mettere le 
note dentro name ed altre amenita' del genere.
Credo che ci voglia il DWG ma non essendo io della zona non ho molti 
esempi da fare.


2017-03-21 11:28 GMT+01:00 Marco >:


chi è il mappatore in questione?

Vedere che qualcuno fa modifiche alla mappa, peggiorandola, è
frustrante, anzi, fa proprio incazzare quando la cosa si protrae
a lungo. Gli hai scritto spiegando che sta modificando in peggio
la mappa? hai commentato qualche suo changeset?

Scrivigli, se risponde cerca di fargli capire il problema, se non
risponde scrivi al data working group e passa a loro la palla.

Per tenere sotto controllo l'area usa uno strumento tipo questo

http://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/?zoom=12=37.75069=15.01001=BTT=1

;
ci vuole pochissimo a capire chi e cosa è stato modificato
nell'area e diventa facile capire chi contattare e come sistemare


Il 21/03/2017 10:00, frali...@alice.it 
ha scritto:



Buongiorno,

avendo una certa conoscenza dellEtna Orientale volevo
metterla disposizione di OSM, ma contro utenti che non
conoscendo i luoghi si mettono a modificare quello o
quell'altro senza sapere cosa stanno facendo non si può niente.
Quindi chiuderò la core zone cosa che stimo avverrà in un
paio di giorni e vi auguro buona fortuna
FrancoLI

Messaggio originale
Da: frali...@alice.it 
Data: 20-mar-2017 18.22
A: 

Ogg: [Talk-it] ritorna l'Utente Pasticcione






Buongiorno,
è ritornato l'Utente Pasticcione!
ed ha modificato in maniera minimale stavolta,
l'area sommitale vulcanica!!

 il Mongibello Recente è l'area dei Crateri
Centrali,  e l'area cartografata in OSM è l'area di
rischio vulcanico con criticità ordinaria, per
questo quell'avvertimento

http://www.caisicilia.it/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Tavola-2.pdf



e qui tutto il malloppone

http://www.caisicilia.it/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Regolamento-accesso-quote-sommitali-vulcano-Etna.pdf



mentre questo è il sito della Protezione Civile
Nazionale


http://www.protezionecivile.gov.it/jcms/it/attivita_escursionistica_etna.wp;jsessionid=0181E8FF1A17FA75BF4E16744599D9A5.worker3



Perdonate se sarò prolisso, ma l'Etna rimane sempre
un vulcano attivo ed una montagna alpina e questo
non va dimenticato.

salve
FrancoLI








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[Talk-cz] Presun stranek na wiki

Ahoj,

chtěl bych přesunout stránku 

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Czech_Republic

a její podstránky na adresu 

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:WikiProject_Czech_Republic

aby začaly fungovat odkazy správně.

Samozřejmě tam nastavím přesměrování, takže dosavadní odkazy by 

měly nadále fungovat.

 

Máte někdo něco proti tomu?

Kdo mlčí, souhlasí...  ;-)

 

Mějte se,

Dalibor

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