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Re: [talk-ph] [SPAM] Re: Philippine multilingual place names (English/native language)

2017-08-24 Thread Rally de Leon

name=* is for "common name". It should reflect what is normally seen
on signboards (not entirely as we still have good practice in naming
conventions).

As pointed out by Roger, name prefixes/suffixes (which are part of the
default name values) are generally and majorly written in English in
PH. We still use Street, Avenue, Highway, Boulevard, Rotonda,
Expressway, School, Day Care Center, Health Center, Fire Station,
Boundary, etc etc.

Since name=* is also the "default name" shown by simple map apps (with
no custom rendering), localizing default name values (to FIlipino) can
work to our disadvantage during disasters ...if outside-emergency
responders would still "Google Search" or need an "online language
translator".

Take for example (by looking at Japan/Korea/China OSM Map): if a major
disaster happen there now, imagine yourselves as an outsider, mapping
for, or volunteering to help with the aid of an online map or using a
downloadable offline gps map; is it way harder for non-techie
individual to engage them (eg. Searching keywords for a particular
feature can be a pain -- if you still have to figure out the local
dialect and/or character-symbols.

It is good that Japan, Korea and alikes are technologically-capable of
helping themselves (and won't concern much with the worries of
outsiders not understanding them); because having a common local
language worked for them -- actually made them stronger as a nation.
Localizing default name-labels is an enabler for citizens of these
non-English speaking countries - to disseminate and consume
information efficiently, without a need for an English translator.

But for us who still needs outside help from time to time with
technical & financial aids, or attracting tourists. Introducing
"language-barrier" on maps becomes a dis-abler. Some Filipino words in
fact need translation even to those locals from NCR/Region 4.

Like it or not, English is/was already 'forced on us' through our
education systems; or by business / social pressure to use
technologies with english-default menu system. My impression is, only
a few would like to use Filipino menu-system even if it's available on
devices... well, I feel the same with a general-purpose maps. Besides,
a good number Filipino words are not character-efficient (too long to
write) for labeling purposes on maps + or needs a "glossary" to
understand. :-)

So in terms of naming-convention, I still like to see and use a more
universally readable English label (unless a particular local name
proves more popular) as OSM's default name. That (English) advantage
on naming priorities, has a slight edge over the noble effort for
heritage-preservation (language) advocacy using "default maps" as a
medium. We can always customize maps at the moment

If in the future perhaps, when the Philippines seemingly decides,
(trending at least 40%) in use of local dialects on signboards, then
we may take it as a sign to reconsider to "localize" the default
values for "name="; English will be secondary using name:en=*  --- but
only until then (that's just my opinion).

No issues with adding other local language on name:xx=*

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Re: [talk-ph] POI names with placenames

2016-02-21 Thread Rally de Leon

Hi Terzeus,
Are you referring to (Maysilo)?
I think it's a branch name. It's better to remove it from the name,
and add tag branch=Maysilo

same rule applies to shop=convenience (like 7-Eleven),
amenity=fast_food, amenity=pharmacy, and amenity=fuel
where:
  name= (not the official business name)
  branch=
  operator=

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> While updating the traffic scheme in Maysilo, I came across this node (
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> with its placename on the name field. Should the placename stay or be
> removed (or put elsewhere?)
>
> (sorry for the grammar, I think I had too much coffee this afternoon)
>
> Thank you!
>
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> May all beings be happy.
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[talk-ph] OSMPH chatroom

2016-02-19 Thread Rally de Leon

Dear all,

I would like to invite you to OSMPH chatroom osmph.slack.com
This is meant to replace our earlier experimental Discord.

It is open to public and you can invite yourself using your email at:
http://is.gd/osmphchat

How is this different?

It is currently (relatively) unstructured - like we don't know what it is
yet or what it will be.

It can become your local quick source mapping tips and Q Easily search
for previous discussions, since it is searchable. It is linked to our osmph
event's google calendar. It has an anonymous channel, etc.

Here, it's like having many small cubicles for small talks about any
particular mapping interests. Shy and low-profile members can
simultaneously talk and ask questions freely among their same-interest
sub-groups in separate channels, without worrying about interrupting any
hotter or more important issues on the general discussion table.

Discuss wider range of topics from seemingly irrelevant to newbie's
frequently ask questions, to more technical discourse, do skill-sharing,
share an idea, or plan workshops and mapping parties, or have simple
chit-chats.

Your guidelines:
Post in English, Filipino or Taglish, as long as you don't use a lot of
"po" and "opo," (kasi nakaka-feeling matanda "poh" yan sa ilang tao dito)


The other suggested chatroom rule is simple: "don't be a jerk." Orayt? ;-)

BTW, you can also introduce some words from local dialect in the interest
of teaching the community some terminologies you are accustomed with, to
understand local cultures, to bridge the communications gaps, to improve
objects/words translations, all that may be relevant to mapping.

We are inclusive. Let us learn from you.

Let's see how it goes. See you there.

Rally :-)
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Re: [talk-ph] Mapping all lanes of a toll plaza

2015-11-21 Thread Rally de Leon

I prefer one (1) center line for each group or class (less clutter) eg. 1
for those prepaid auto-debit lanes, 1 for car/cash, 1 for trucks/PUB; maybe
this can help the lane-assist feature in car navigation.



On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 11:03 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Does the community think mapping individual lanes of a toll plaza is best
> practice? See the SLEX Nichols Toll Plaza for an example:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/14.51881/121.02819
>
> Personally, I prefer mapping just the center line of the tollway and just
> adding the lanes=* tag to it. There's also the proposed area:highway=* tag
> (already with rendering support in a 3rd-party map) for mapping the actual
> area of the highway:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/area:highway
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Re: [talk-ph] Mapping all lanes of a toll plaza

2015-11-21 Thread Rally de Leon

...in which case, go for the ":lanes" tagging scheme (but it looks
complicated -- too many forking segments). Can we experiment on a wide toll
plaza? let's see how it renders

+1 if it renders the segments nicely, :-) else lets the delay (for later)
and use the original 1 center line approach

besides, putting too many forking lanes (tagged as motorway) on wide toll
plazas may unnecessarily increase the total number of kilometers
(distorting the actual length) of that particular road; although this can
be solved by relations.

On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar <sea...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Rally de Leon <rall...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I prefer one (1) center line for each group or class (less clutter) eg. 1
>> for those prepaid auto-debit lanes, 1 for car/cash, 1 for trucks/PUB; maybe
>> this can help the lane-assist feature in car navigation.
>>
>
> That would mean 9 lines for Cavitex
> 1. Cash (Class 1)
> 2. Exact Toll
> 3. Cash (any class)
> 4. EasyDrive
> 5. E-TAP and EasyDrive
> 6. E-TAP loading and cash
> 7. E-TAP and cash
> 8. Emergency and cash
> 9. Wide vehicles
>
> Theoretically, we can still put information about various toll lanes even
> with just a single center line using the ":lanes" tagging scheme:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes
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Re: [talk-ph] On importing administrative boundaries

2015-08-11 Thread Rally de Leon

What about the news (of the nearly completed Cadastral Survey which was
also mentioned in SONA 2015)?
http://www.philstar.com/nation/2015/06/12/1464852/cadastral-survey-phl-land-area-nears-completion
http://www.philstar.com/nation/2015/06/12/1464852/cadastral-survey-phl-land-area-nears-completion---
which I'm sure is using PRS92 (as required by law)

Plus the open data policy of government? (will this give us inherent right
to import?)

What proactive action can we do as a group, to gain access  extract from
this PRS92 boundary data, then convert to WGS84 and/or carefully translate
boundary-lines manually thru visual inspection/interpretation/validation;
like doing it per boundary-segment (if necessary) to
redraw/correct/remove/improve shapes  lines of those inaccurate GADM
boundaries (eg. in a mapping party project), so that we do away with issues
of importing erroneous data again?


On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:24 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Part-rant, part personal manifesto on importing admin boundaries in the
 Philippines from a mapper who imported provincial boundaries many years
 ago. ;)

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/maning/diary/35568

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Re: [talk-ph] Address format myths

2015-07-25 Thread Rally de Leon

thank you for the link :-)

On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
wrote:

 The topic of address formats has been discussed on this mailing list a few
 times over the past years. I thought some of you might get a kick out of
 this list of myths about address formats from all over the world:

 https://www.mjt.me.uk/posts/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-addresses/

 It contains gems like:
 * No buildings are numbered zero.
 * A street name won't include a number.
 * Street names don't recur in the same city.
 * Addresses will be written from most to least specific.

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Re: [talk-ph] best practice for village admin_centre relations

2015-07-02 Thread Rally de Leon

Erwin,
Confused: I thought all along that the subject about the
admin-polygon-relation's center (whatever that means). :-) That normally,
in the absence of a member 'admin_centre' node in the relation, the
name-TEXT of that administrative polygon is rendered in its geometric
center.

BUT, assigning a node as the admin_centre of an administrative_relation,
will for some reason render the TEXT value at the assigned 'location' of
said node. Which in most cases happens to be the  place_name. Isn't that
the idea of Maning's question? h

What's the difference if there's any? can you explain? (with example please
- yung pang elementary) for the benefit of the likes of me who are too lazy
to read the manual, hehe

Rally

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Erwin Olario gov...@gmail.com wrote:


 Rally, Maning is asking about the administrative centres, and that would
 mean government authorities in charge of administration. They are not meant
 to represent the [geographic] center of the village which isn't something
 we normally map.

 As for place=village nodes, and like I wrote earlier, I put them in the
 commons (e.g. plaza, local park, etc.).

 Erwin



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 On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com wrote:

 Question:
 - What's the best practice for adding admin_centre nodes to the village
 boundary relation? Should it be the barangay hall (amenity=townhall)
 or the place=village node?

 
 For place nodes, a good practice IMHO is putting said node (eg.
 place=village)
 somewhere NEAR but NOT ON an object or group of objects which
 represents the center of the village, typically any of the following:
   -barangay hall
   -village plaza (eg. where there's a multipurpose hall or basketball
 court)
   -the center of traditional grid-street (the oldest populated area of
 the place)

 My interpretation of somewhere near is around 100-150 meters away;
 on a not-so-important space (eg. a vacant area or generic community)
 in the vicinity, where there are no other place nodes, or important
 landmarks
 like a park or institution.

 1st Reason:
 The 'place node' is represented by a TEXT on the map.
 -a rendered TEXT always cover the lines and polygons under it. Thus,
 putting a place_node very close to another object (eg. important
 building),
 will essentially make that building disappear (information visibility is
 not optimized).
 Said buildings  will only appear when you zoom-in on a digital map.
 But you cannot zoom-in on a paper map (2-D). So I thought, the best
 practice
 is to move it just enough not to cover important objects (part of the
 art).
 (until such time we have an algorithm to do that automatically)

 2nd Reason:
 Putting a place node inside a polygon with a large footprint the size of
 a neighborhood, like an institutional_polygon or a park; will not just
 potentially cover the 'name' of institution or park, but add unintended
 confusion or misrepresentation of the polygon.
 eg. If you put a place_node of Ermita inside Rizal Park's valencia
 circle,
 a tourist who wants to go to the heart of Ermita, ends up in Luneta
 (which is technically Ermita) - but was not probably his/her intention

 3rd Reason:
 There are some LGU's (municipal and barangays) which relocated (or
 isolated)
 their new townhalls away from the village or town centers.

 Putting a place_node on top or near an isolated townhall (away from
 populated center)
 is not always representative of the general location of the village or
 the town.
 (this is a dilemna for Mamasapano, where townhall is located near the
 boundary)

 ---
 I'm voting +1 for:
 place=village as admin_centre, provided it's located NEAR not ON the
 object (amenity=townhall)

 Cheer,
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Re: [talk-ph] best practice for village admin_centre relations

2015-07-02 Thread Rally de Leon

Question:
- What's the best practice for adding admin_centre nodes to the village
boundary relation? Should it be the barangay hall (amenity=townhall)
or the place=village node?


For place nodes, a good practice IMHO is putting said node (eg.
place=village)
somewhere NEAR but NOT ON an object or group of objects which
represents the center of the village, typically any of the following:
  -barangay hall
  -village plaza (eg. where there's a multipurpose hall or basketball
court)
  -the center of traditional grid-street (the oldest populated area of the
place)

My interpretation of somewhere near is around 100-150 meters away;
on a not-so-important space (eg. a vacant area or generic community)
in the vicinity, where there are no other place nodes, or important
landmarks
like a park or institution.

1st Reason:
The 'place node' is represented by a TEXT on the map.
-a rendered TEXT always cover the lines and polygons under it. Thus,
putting a place_node very close to another object (eg. important building),
will essentially make that building disappear (information visibility is
not optimized).
Said buildings  will only appear when you zoom-in on a digital map.
But you cannot zoom-in on a paper map (2-D). So I thought, the best
practice
is to move it just enough not to cover important objects (part of the art).
(until such time we have an algorithm to do that automatically)

2nd Reason:
Putting a place node inside a polygon with a large footprint the size of
a neighborhood, like an institutional_polygon or a park; will not just
potentially cover the 'name' of institution or park, but add unintended
confusion or misrepresentation of the polygon.
eg. If you put a place_node of Ermita inside Rizal Park's valencia circle,
a tourist who wants to go to the heart of Ermita, ends up in Luneta
(which is technically Ermita) - but was not probably his/her intention

3rd Reason:
There are some LGU's (municipal and barangays) which relocated (or
isolated)
their new townhalls away from the village or town centers.

Putting a place_node on top or near an isolated townhall (away from
populated center)
is not always representative of the general location of the village or the
town.
(this is a dilemna for Mamasapano, where townhall is located near the
boundary)

---
I'm voting +1 for:
place=village as admin_centre, provided it's located NEAR not ON the object
(amenity=townhall)

Cheer,
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Re: [talk-ph] Data Quality Overview

2015-07-02 Thread Rally de Leon

Maning,

What does it mean when there's a value on the right column under
subregion?
Does it mean there's an administrative boundary for the particular town?
http://osm.hlidskjalf.is/settlements.php?idc=1region=Rizalsub=p=town

Rally

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 7:05 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
wrote:

 This is a nice OSM data quality overview tool: http://osm.hlidskjalf.is/
 I asked the developer to add the Philippines [0].  I have a couple of
 ideas on using this for remote mapping, more on that later.  For an
 overview of the tool, here's the post [1].


 [0] http://osm.hlidskjalf.is/settlements.php?idc=1
 [1] http://joi.betra.is/?p=1769

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Re: [talk-ph] How Sausages are Made

2015-06-20 Thread Rally de Leon

I really enjoyed this video too. Very good observations, providing many
good points for reflections for all of us volunteers playing a part of a
worldwide mapping community -- with our own opinions, with our
personal/cultural biases, with our limited vision of how our (or their)
world should look like, or be called like..., etc.

Jochen Toft gave an unbiased observation of how OSM (has so far) worked,
and not an opinion of how it should suppose to work. How despite the chaos
and differences of opinions, OSM always sort things out by itself over
time.

It really shows how our OpenStreetMap is continuously being made; just
like a sausage made from so many ingredients from so many undesirable
animal-parts, even those you don't (and won't) really eat in their original
form -- really a mix of everything. And in the end, it still goes well with
ketchup + mustard sauce, and beer. :-)


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 @rally
 The video mentions a tag you might love: bridge:name

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 On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Erwin Olario gov...@gmail.com wrote:

 One of the SOTM-US presentations I enjoyed watching.
 https://youtu.be/_2L5wzv8DHw

 It isn't what you think it is. :)


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[talk-ph] Center of Villages and Sub-villages in Maguindanao

2015-03-30 Thread Rally de Leon

I'm used to looking for basketball courts (and covered courts) which serve
as indicator of the center of the community when mapping neighborhoods in
Luzon

In the (link) example below (Maguindanao) there are no basketball courts.

http://goo.gl/CL5niv

I'm just guessing, but maybe it's the masjid/mosque that I should be
looking for. But, the buildings' shapes in the vicinity are all
squares/rectangles (if examined on bing images) which hardly give a clue
that some particular buildings are places of worship. Except for one
noticeable difference: some odd buildings are not aligned with the
surrounding structures. They are generally facing east, yet they don't have
a common/consistent angle of direction.

Is this (observation) a good indicator of masjid? How many percentage (of
masjid and/or regular structure) follow such rule?

Does it make sense to put a node tagged as:
place=neighbourhood
FIXME=name
in the vicinity of those particular structures, by presuming them be the
'centers of the communities/neighborhoods', so they can be properly
identified/named later by local mappers/residents?

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Re: [talk-ph] Center of Villages and Sub-villages in Maguindanao

2015-03-30 Thread Rally de Leon

Maning,
node with landuse=residential? okie

although I disagree that a place tag indicates a sign of administration
eg.
place=hamlet (an isolated dwelling in the middle of nowhere)
place=locality (which is commonly used as temp name of a place (which has a
known name), but not necessarily a community)


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wrote:

 Dear Rally,


  I'm just guessing, but maybe it's the masjid/mosque that I should be
 looking
  for. But, the buildings' shapes in the vicinity are all
 squares/rectangles
  (if examined on bing images) which hardly give a clue that some
 particular
  buildings are places of worship. Except for one noticeable difference:
 some
  odd buildings are not aligned with the surrounding structures. They are
  generally facing east, yet they don't have a common/consistent angle of
  direction.
 For an example of a mosque, see here:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/6.98218/124.35695
 View in JOSM/iD to see imagery in Bing.


  Does it make sense to put a node tagged as:
  place=neighbourhood
  FIXME=name
  https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
 No don't tag place=neighbourhood just use landuse=residential.
 Assigning a place tag (which indicates a form of administration)
 in these areas are very difficult.  There are cases where it looks
 like a small village given our assumption in other areas but it turned
 out to be
 a town center.  To avoid such confusion, just do a generic
 landuse=residential tag.



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Re: [talk-ph] Cebu road classification

2015-03-18 Thread Rally de Leon

Dear Totor,

I only discovered your message in my spam folder yesterday. I was the one
who edited and put all those ref by DPWH on primary roads (doing some
tests, checking for patterns all over PH)

The reason for the delay in reply is that I need to type an extensive
guidelines on trunk-editing (for osm learners) which is confusing to many.
I am fact-checking existing examples in OSM PH, where I myself broke the
recommended road classifications of DPWH many times.

It's better to explain by-example (and reason why), so that other mappers
reading this can benefit from discussion (links: to follow later)

My edits in Cebu Proper:
Route 8 (camino real) which is classified as primary by DPWH (equivalent to
trunk road) in OSM. I initially followed faithfully the DPWH's route -
which in many times proven as outdated. Is the current trunk route shape
still valid? Reroute if necessary, but leave the DPWH ref value intact.

Route 840 coastal road (by-pass or diversion road), which also appeared as
trunk on OSM. I initially decided to downgrade this to primary route -
prior to testing and consultations with local mappers (see my personal
guidelines below - second rule)

As for the 2 bridges that goes to the airport (they also run in parallel) -
having the same function (applying my second rule). I did not touch Marcelo
Fernan route (check edit history) :-) I just saw the original route on
DPWH's database, the Marcelo Fernan isn't even on DPWH (probably a city or
provincial road - national road?) - didn't noticed coz I was in a hurry
that time (forgot to open a discussion for consultation). If you feel
Marcelo Fernan qualifies more as a trunk than the other bridge (considering
the guidelines below), then by all means, tag it correctly as you see it on
the ground.

Anyways, better this way... somebody breaks something (as I always break
something, hehe), we have more people interested in reading and learning,
how we will solve this :-)

Please see my personal notes below.

Cheers,
Rally





I use the following guidelines (rules) in my head in editing primary and
arterial roads.
This is not yet an extensive list and I wish we can get more ideas from
others.

*First Rule*: Don't follow DPWH recommended routes, they are just guide.
They're outdated in so many areas (I will show many examples in various
areas that doesn't make sense).


*Second Rule*: No two (or more) trunk should run in parallel routes (having
same regional function).

The typical case of (old) Camino Real vs. (new) Diversion/By-Pass Road --
choosing which one will be the designated provincial or regional trunk road
in OSM map? (forget DPWH). But  you should only have one trunk crossing a
town or typical city, by looking at it in the regional or provincial
perspective.


*Clue: look at the intention of DPWH (regional planning). Have they widened
the old primary routes (to maintain primary status)? But if the Diversion
Road is being redesigned with more capacity: twice as wide, twice as fast
as the old route, and is actually used by regional motorists, then the
answer is obvious. *

This is tricky in example Lubao By-Pass Road (Pampanga). Maybe because said
By-pass road is not a National Road? same case with Marcelo Fernan Bridge
(not on DPWH)

If we notice, DPWH uses the same concept: they rarely have two 'primary'
running in parallel.
eg. In the case of NCR, even if Alabang-Zapote is far from Sucat Road, they
tag Sucat Road as primary, Alabang-Zapote as secondary (even if the latter
is allegedly part of the old Daang Maharlika). My theory is that DPWH treat
these two road serving the same function (in the future): linking SLEX (E2)
to CAVITEX (E3/E4). But I tend to disagree and will recommend
Alabang-Zapote be tagged as Trunk, because I believe Daang Hari will become
trunk someday, then it will violate my *Third Rule.*


*Third Rule:*Trunk should not terminate in the middle of somewhere. It
should typically terminate on:
(1) another trunk road
(2) expressway
(3) major port/gateway: international airport or seaport, or a major ro-ro
terminal (SRNH)
(4) self-contained major city, eg. provincial capital
(5) circumferential provincial roads that ends on itself (in some islands)

examples:
- trunk road stopping at Tabuk, Kalinga (because it's the capital)
- decision to extend Quezon Ave (N170) from Mabuhay Rotonda to the nearest
trunk, which is AH26 (N120 Roxas Blvd) via N150(Padre Burgos) instead of
via N170 (Taft Ave back to EDSA); because routing to Taft Ave will break
the Second Rule (running parallel trunks with N120(Roxas Blvd) and
N145(South Super) which are also both located in Manila, all going in the
same direction to EDSA.


*Fourth Rule:* Test if it is really THE trunk road.

This is a tricky balancing act, considering its function, the original govt
design and how ALL (INCLUSIVE) motorists actual use them. (I had
contradicted/reverted my own edits so many times, after the questions

Re: [talk-ph] NHN 2 Luzon

2015-03-11 Thread Rally de Leon

Dear Ronny,

This past week, I've been editing OSM all over PH particularly primary
roads. That's why the old ref's are being replaced to be the same as DPWH's
system, and are stored in duplicates with Route Relations. As soon as I can
get the right work flow (still doing trial and error on format), I will
invite all of you to edit, coz there's a lot to do (particularly the
Section_ID per DPWH engineering district)

A few hours ago, (per DPWH request) my experimental NBN route name format
were all converted to Nxxx format. Thus route 1 is N1, route 2 is N2 etc.
to be more compatible with DPWH's database.

Yup, it's the new official route numbering system being implemented by
DPWH. see:
https://dpwh.maps.arcgis.com/apps/OnePane/basicviewer/index.html?appid=4b48284a409844fab6876aa77be8bf58#

We cannot do anything about the new route number system. It's the future.
Wazers were the first to implement this on wide scale. All our
outdated/obsolete route numbers in OSM must go, (even the ones I introduced
eg. SNRH, MNR, etc. for the same personal reason ...rendering) :-) I know
many will feel sentimental, but sorry to say even NLEX, TPLEX, SCTEX, etc
will have to disappear in favor of E series route numbers.

In fact, I emailed my favorite map app Maps.ME regarding support for double
value ref, eg. the ones you introduced in MacArthur, as well as the one I
am currently experimenting on EDSA (eg. ref=1,AH26). I saw the rendering
will be a bit ugly (but tolerable). But using double value on ref, will not
help people (using simple search for a particular ref value if
unknowingly, some of the ref (which is officially used) has some extraneous
values). Good thing we introducing Route Relations, so there will be less
headache for those who are into data extractions - should future users or
newbie customize the ref's.

Connected to this, there an ongoing trend in the transport planning that
will make Circumferential Radial Road system irrelevant in the future,
(even on Official Gazette)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM_Z4CGgZSMfeature=youtu.be C-5, C-4, R8,
R6 etc will probably just become road names (not a road system). They
will also disappear from OSM in favor of new DPWH's system.

If we are still not seeing the big picture in adopting a consistent route
number format (at least for non-programmer mortal like me),
-future researchers, auditor, journalist, contractors, etc. can look up
Section_ID of a particular DPWH road project.
-said Route relations (portions) can be recycled for other purposes, eg.
administrative boundaries, bus routes, navigation apps, other custom
routes, will be very easy coz we don't have to trace same routes again etc.
(like somebody in Davao is mapping transport routes on top of existing
roads (by literally drawing another way on top), which is a pain to look at)
-Digital Sat Nav devices' auto-route are now referring to Route Numbers
instead of the non-consistent highway names (makes travelling simple) eg.
follow highway shield (road markers with route numbers along the highway)
instead of looking at the varying road names.

Will discuss more later (sorry for my usual me, this email is getting very
long)

Cheers,
Rally :-)

On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Ronny Ager-Wick ro...@ager-wick.com
wrote:

I noticed Rally's recent update including MacArthur highway in NHN 2 Luzon:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4659407#map=8/15.824/120.361
I assume this was due to some updated guidelines from DPWH or something.

I noticed this because I had just meticulously updated the name of every
segment of MacArthur Highway from San Fernando/Angeles Border to
Angeles/Mabalacat border, and every single name I had fixed, as well as all
the previous ones, had now disappeared. I updated the name manually working
myself south until I realized something must be up (yes, I know, it takes a
bit of time sometimes), and then I noticed the new relation, and I noticed
that (probably) on every segment of this relation, the name had
disappeared.

Was it intentional to delete the name of every segment of the road now
called
Route 2?
If not, there are probably a lot of other segments that needs its name
restored.

By the way, is Manila North Road another name for MacArthur Highway, or
is
MacArthur just a small part of it?

As pointed out earlier, it used to be called R-9, which is a theoretical
name
only, as everyone refers to it - or at least the segment I'm familiar with
-
as MacArthur Highway. Now, it's suddenly called 2. Again, nobody who
lives
or works or drives along this road apart from maybe a few of us and some
people at DPWH knows about this, yet the 2 label is the most prominent
on a
lot of maps, as it's defined by the ref tag in OSM. I regularly drive this
route, and I have yet to see a single sign with either R-9 or 2 or N2 or
whatever. Granted, there's probably not a single sign saying MacArthur
Highway
either, but that's the name people know.
If you print a map

Re: [talk-ph] NHN 2 Luzon

2015-03-11 Thread Rally de Leon

Dear Ronny,

At the moment, I'm doing damage control (just discovered it an hour ago). I
think I accidentally erased MacArthur Highway's name along Manila North
Road. Based on edit history, it was on March 9. Too late I just had to
rename it back instead of reverting, (or maybe I'm way too late if somebody
beat me into reverting instead, due to simultaneous edits).

As for the affected bridges' names, there's a complete list of bridge names
at philippine geoportal - so no problem later.

Another thing, I just discovered that MacArthur Highway doesn't extend to
La Union (my previous impression). I think it's from Balintawak to
Urdaneta, then run eastward towards Dagupan-Lingayen (per REPUBLIC ACT NO.
3080). -- which makes sense as this was probably the route used to Liberate
Manila. All roads northward after Urdaneta Juction are still officially
Manila North Road, unless an LGU decided to rename a portion to another
name. But then again, this is a major National Road (I don't know if LGU
can do that).

-Rally

On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com wrote:

Dear Ronny,

A few hours ago, (per DPWH request) my experimental NBN route name
format were all converted to Nxxx format. Thus route 1 is N1, route 2 is
N2 etc. to be more compatible with DPWH's database.

Yup, it's the new official route numbering system being implemented by
DPWH. see:

https://dpwh.maps.arcgis.com/apps/OnePane/basicviewer/index.html?appid=4b48284a409844fab6876aa77be8bf58#

In fact, I emailed my favorite map app Maps.ME regarding support for
double value ref, eg. the ones you introduced in MacArthur, as well as the
one I am currently experimenting on EDSA (eg. ref=1,AH26). I saw the
rendering will be a bit ugly (but tolerable). But using double value on
ref, will not help people (using simple search for a particular ref value
if unknowingly, some of the ref (which is officially used) has some
extraneous values). Good thing we introducing Route Relations, so there
will be less headache for those who are into data extractions - should
future users or newbie customize the ref's.

Connected to this, there an ongoing trend in the transport planning that
will make Circumferential Radial Road system irrelevant in the future,
(even on Official Gazette)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM_Z4CGgZSMfeature=youtu.be C-5, C-4,
R8, R6 etc will probably just become road names (not a road system). They
will also disappear from OSM in favor of new DPWH's system.

Will discuss more later (sorry for my usual me, this email is getting very
long)

Cheers,
Rally :-)

On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Ronny Ager-Wick ro...@ager-wick.com
wrote:

I noticed Rally's recent update including MacArthur highway in NHN 2
Luzon:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4659407#map=8/15.824/120.361
I assume this was due to some updated guidelines from DPWH or something.

Re: [talk-ph] NHN 2 Luzon

2015-03-11 Thread Rally de Leon

Related issues in connection with DPWH's database (new Classification 
Route numbers):

Road Classification:DPWH's internal road class (primary  secondary) will
generally be our reference guide, but will not work with OSM as there is no
direct relation.
(eg. their 'primary' seems to correspond to OSM's 'trunk' but not always;
Secondary is more often than not - equivalent to OSM's Primary, but may
become Secondary etc.).

And besides, DPWH doesn't seem to follow the best practices in map making.
Their classification is the result to motorists volume per day, as well
as with considerations to connecting towns with big population, and or
connection to major ports

Our OSMPH mapper's classification seem to follow the function of the road
and it's relation to economic activity and flow of commerce 'relative' to
the region -- no absolute rule. (just my observation) And it follows a
smoother path, not stopping abruptly out of nowhere.

There are lots of exceptions/observations I discovered in classifying roads
(to the rules and biases we are accustomed to), in fact I need to undo a
lot of my own stupid edits, eg. making Marikina-Infanta Road as trunk (by
previous consensus that all main roads crossing 'provincial boundaries' are
trunk roads, which I will revert to Primary (something like that).

We have to weigh-in between OSMPH's best practices and the logic behind
DPWH's system. This is for discussion later, so we can agree on a new
guideline based on our new discoveries/observations (on-going)

As to NAMING ROADS:
I agree with maning earlier, that we use name on OSM as we see them in
physical object, eg. Street Signs -

name=common name and NOT the official name commonly dictated by the law
or ordinance. we have official_name= which can be used for that purpose.

The longer the road name - the smaller the printed font gets,
-the lesser visible they becomes (on highway);
-the more clutter on digital devices and paper maps.

But we stick to the OSM's use of complete suffix (eg. Street) even though I
disagree :-)

This suggested unofficial guideline for our local mappers is in lieu of
non-existent PH law prescribing maximum length of Road names - which should
be on the practical side,

Anyways, like it or not ...is already unofficially practiced by LGU's and
some govt agencies
eg.
- look at Manila's bigger street signs, adopting: Osmeña Hwy, Quirino Hwy
instead of the long President Osmeña Highway Pres. Quirino Highway as
seen on the older street sign).

- The many variants of Buendia Ave (still in use in newer signs), Sen. Gil
Puyat Ave, G. Puyat Ave, Gil Puyat Ave. but they will eventually go for the
shorter version.

- how many signboards have we seen written with the official name Epifanio
Delos Santos Avenue instead of EDSA (which is in most if not all of the
streetsigns)?

- same with SLEX, NLEX, SCTEX,... and yes, even in the new list of DPWH
official names says it's SLEX, NLEX, SCTEX etc.

On the good side, since ref=SLEX ref=NLEX will disappear soon, they will be
replaced with an easy to read and highly visible road names on the road
itself
eg. name=SLEX

Other Issues: Sorting Order (in dropdown menus, or simple search in tiny
keyboards, or paper index) can also be a problem with many unofficial
variants of spelling. Then why prolong the agony and save some tax payers
money by not contributing to the confusion on conflicting signboard
entries? LGU just google the name, or look at OSM for naming guidance. ;-)

We better make it right and consistent with the actual. Maybe just maybe,
a congressman will notice the pattern in naming conventions in our maps,
then do something about it.

This topic will be for discussion later (on another thread), but don't be
surprised if some (including me) have initiated changes in road names. I
already did EDSA :-)

Cheers,
Rally

On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear Ronny,

 At the moment, I'm doing damage control (just discovered it an hour ago).
 I think I accidentally erased MacArthur Highway's name along Manila North
 Road. Based on edit history, it was on March 9. Too late I just had to
 rename it back instead of reverting, (or maybe I'm way too late if somebody
 beat me into reverting instead, due to simultaneous edits).

 As for the affected bridges' names, there's a complete list of bridge
 names at philippine geoportal - so no problem later.

 Another thing, I just discovered that MacArthur Highway doesn't extend to
 La Union (my previous impression). I think it's from Balintawak to
 Urdaneta, then run eastward towards Dagupan-Lingayen (per REPUBLIC ACT NO.
 3080). -- which makes sense as this was probably the route used to Liberate
 Manila. All roads northward after Urdaneta Juction are still officially
 Manila North Road, unless an LGU decided to rename a portion to another
 name. But then again, this is a major National Road (I don't know if LGU
 can do that).

 -Rally

 On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Rally de Leon

[talk-ph] AH26, DPWH Route Numbers on Primary Secondary Roads

2015-03-05 Thread Rally de Leon

DPWH's new Route numbers appearing in http://goo.gl/vGknWx (shortened URL)
went blank as of yesterday (March 5) - except for Expressways Route
numbers. There must be some changes in the format going on. Any news?

Good thing I was able to finish filing in the gaps (plus clean-ups of stray
tags) along the new AH26 described in Rappler article :-)

http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/iq/74846-ah26-road-sign
(more or less with possible corrections)

Searching for highway with int_ref=AH26 in Philippines in Overpass-turbo
(type:way excluding type:relation) -- takes about a minute to load map

check the shortened link of interactive map:

http://goo.gl/LB9JEe

Finally I was able to visualize:
-where AH26 starts - where it meets Route#2 (Manila North Road) in Laoag
-the re-routing of AH26 to NLEX via Sta Rita Exit;
-the split-route in Balintawak going eastward to EDSA, and other going
westward to Caloocan-Port Area-Roxas Blvd then back to EDSA where the two
split-routes meet back in Magallanes towards SLEX
-where AH26 merges back with Maharlika Highway in SLEX Calamba Exit
-where it has a spur route in Visayas from Palo Leyte to Ormoc (following
Route 70), then via AH26 Sea Route to Cebu City
-where another spur starts in Davao City all the way to CDO via Route 10 in
Mindanao.
-where it ends in Zamboanga (Port)

Please help find areas where AH26 needs to be corrected (verified)
eg. where a city or town has a Diversion Road
eg. Tiaong Quezon, where I suspect AH26 uses the much wider Diversion Road,
yet I followed Route 1 (old Maharlika Highway)

BTW, I left the existing relation Maharlika HIghway (old route) intact.
I just made a new super-relation AH26: PHILIPPINES (super) in case you
want to edit or extract

Cheers,
Rally
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Re: [talk-ph] Let's talk about Daang Maharlika Highway (Asian Highway 26)

2015-02-27 Thread Rally de Leon

I edited one ref at EDSA with 2 values of ref=1;AH26.
http://osm.org/go/4zhSOFRqJ--?m=

Rendering in Mapnik is not bad actually - which somehow approximate the
looks of the physical marker
http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/iq/74846-ah26-road-sign
It makes the Route 1 bigger and more visible, befitting for it's status as
the country's primary backbone, well considering that the earlier single
digit 1 route marker was the smallest icon.

I will do the rest of EDSA later (or somebody else). Proceeding with
caution (EDSA only), wait until I can get confirmation that the
double-value ref will not mess up rendering of the majority of mapping ups
on smartphones. as it may not be worth it at the moment :-)


On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com wrote:

 I will first assume that DPWH's Philippine National Highway Network (NHN)
 map as current and official information:

 https://dpwh.maps.arcgis.com/apps/OnePane/basicviewer/index.html?appid=4b48284a409844fab6876aa77be8bf58#

 Is the Route 1 referred in above map exactly equals AH26 updated route?

 Because, according to DPWH Department Order N0.15-2009:
 http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/pdf/issuances/DO/09/DO_015_S2009.pdf which
 requires the DPWH to install Route Markers along Asian Higway (AH26)
 route comprising MOSTLY segments of the Daang Maharlika commences from
 Laoag City and finally ends at the international seaport in Zamboanga City
 --take note of the word MOSTLY, which possibly means not all of Daang
 Maharlika. So which which? (best evidence is EDSA - AH26 was rerouted from
 an original alignment)

 So until verified on actual AH26 signboards in the field, map tracers may
 still assume it's aligned to the common Maharlika Highway as we originally
 know, as written on roadsigns, or as indicated on DPWH's NHN Route map.


 -
 About the official name (observations):
 1. I already saw a couple of old signboards on the road and heard from
 locals the name Maharlika Highway (particularly in the Laguna and Quezon
 area),
 2. I have seen many articles referring to AH26 as the Daang Maharlika
 Highway or its acronym/short_name DMH mentioned in some govt contracts,
 and also the official shortened name Daang Maharlika
 3. BUT I have yet to see an old existing road sign that says Pan
 Philippine Highway or any relatively new article using said Pan
 Philippine Highway that was not based (or influenced) by the wiki article
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Philippine_Highway#References. What era
 was Pan-Philippine Highway

 Can somebody change the wiki article's title from Pan-Philippine Highway
 to the officially recognized and used Daang Maharlika or Daang Maharlika
 Highway; and just refer to the former as a historical trivia or as an
 alternative name?


 
 Re: EDSA and C-4 use on ref tag

 I learned from certain edits of user:joyvious324 that putting two values
 of ref is officially recognized and rendered on mapnik. I also happen to
 like the looks and functional (on mapnik) but I don't know if it will mess
 up Garmin ref rendering and on my favorite Maps.me apps.

 (eg. on EDSA's route marker C-4 on top of 1 using ref=C-4;1)

 Proposal (to use 2 values on ref) instead of ref=1 and int_ref=AH26:

 -Calling said road as C-4 is more of a trivial/historical thing, than
 being more useful info in giving direction, when you are actually referring
 to the world famous EDSA (except for the northernmost portion of this road
 called C-4 for lack of name);

 and because of the fact that we are being ordered to use both Route 1 and
 AH26 per compliance with DPWH D.O.15-2009, and as evidenced by the physical
 route marker already placed along EDSA
 see picture on:  http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/iq/74846-ah26-road-sign

 I would like to propose that we experiment the use of ref=1;AH26 tag (at
 least on EDSA for about 1 to 2 months pending observation if it well mess
 up the rendering in Garmin and other smartphone apps. :-)

 --
 Relevance of this topic (AH26) was the Mamasapano Incident, wherein the
 main Mamasapano Highway was referred to a possibly erroneous name
 Maharlika Highway by many Senators and was already put on official
 records on Senate investigation. (basing on Google Map data and also
 previously on OSM which were both based on the wiki Pan Philippine Highway
 which may still be referring to the old AH26 alignment or a wrong info). In
 th future, the readers of this Senate report will be confused looking at a
 different road, which will not correspond to the new updated data on our
 digital maps (google or osm).

 There's a need for us to update and/or verify changes in the official
 routes of all other primary and secondary roads.




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[talk-ph] Let's talk about Daang Maharlika Highway (Asian Highway 26)

2015-02-27 Thread Rally de Leon

I will first assume that DPWH's Philippine National Highway Network (NHN)
map as current and official information:
https://dpwh.maps.arcgis.com/apps/OnePane/basicviewer/index.html?appid=4b48284a409844fab6876aa77be8bf58#

Is the Route 1 referred in above map exactly equals AH26 updated route?

Because, according to DPWH Department Order N0.15-2009:
http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/pdf/issuances/DO/09/DO_015_S2009.pdf which requires
the DPWH to install Route Markers along Asian Higway (AH26) route
comprising MOSTLY segments of the Daang Maharlika commences from Laoag
City and finally ends at the international seaport in Zamboanga City
--take note of the word MOSTLY, which possibly means not all of Daang
Maharlika. So which which? (best evidence is EDSA - AH26 was rerouted from
an original alignment)

So until verified on actual AH26 signboards in the field, map tracers may
still assume it's aligned to the common Maharlika Highway as we originally
know, as written on roadsigns, or as indicated on DPWH's NHN Route map.


-
About the official name (observations):
1. I already saw a couple of old signboards on the road and heard from
locals the name Maharlika Highway (particularly in the Laguna and Quezon
area),
2. I have seen many articles referring to AH26 as the Daang Maharlika
Highway or its acronym/short_name DMH mentioned in some govt contracts,
and also the official shortened name Daang Maharlika
3. BUT I have yet to see an old existing road sign that says Pan
Philippine Highway or any relatively new article using said Pan
Philippine Highway that was not based (or influenced) by the wiki article
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Philippine_Highway#References. What era
was Pan-Philippine Highway

Can somebody change the wiki article's title from Pan-Philippine Highway
to the officially recognized and used Daang Maharlika or Daang Maharlika
Highway; and just refer to the former as a historical trivia or as an
alternative name?



Re: EDSA and C-4 use on ref tag

I learned from certain edits of user:joyvious324 that putting two values of
ref is officially recognized and rendered on mapnik. I also happen to like
the looks and functional (on mapnik) but I don't know if it will mess up
Garmin ref rendering and on my favorite Maps.me apps.

(eg. on EDSA's route marker C-4 on top of 1 using ref=C-4;1)

Proposal (to use 2 values on ref) instead of ref=1 and int_ref=AH26:

-Calling said road as C-4 is more of a trivial/historical thing, than being
more useful info in giving direction, when you are actually referring to
the world famous EDSA (except for the northernmost portion of this road
called C-4 for lack of name);

and because of the fact that we are being ordered to use both Route 1 and
AH26 per compliance with DPWH D.O.15-2009, and as evidenced by the physical
route marker already placed along EDSA
see picture on:  http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/iq/74846-ah26-road-sign

I would like to propose that we experiment the use of ref=1;AH26 tag (at
least on EDSA for about 1 to 2 months pending observation if it well mess
up the rendering in Garmin and other smartphone apps. :-)

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Relevance of this topic (AH26) was the Mamasapano Incident, wherein the
main Mamasapano Highway was referred to a possibly erroneous name
Maharlika Highway by many Senators and was already put on official
records on Senate investigation. (basing on Google Map data and also
previously on OSM which were both based on the wiki Pan Philippine Highway
which may still be referring to the old AH26 alignment or a wrong info). In
th future, the readers of this Senate report will be confused looking at a
different road, which will not correspond to the new updated data on our
digital maps (google or osm).

There's a need for us to update and/or verify changes in the official
routes of all other primary and secondary roads.
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Re: [talk-ph] Mamasapano Incident

2015-02-10 Thread Rally de Leon

Wayne,
Nice - very detailed report. (I am not updated with the news, hehe)
What got me curious was the Military Grid Reference - how to convert to
WGS84? any ideas? I don't know if the crude method I used was correct.

I'll try to work my way backwards to verify if the computed Lat Long from
the SMS (tweeted) message made sense from what actually happened.

Thanks,
Rally



On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Wayne Manuel wdman...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey Rally,

 The PNP Presentation in the Senate showed the location on a map with a
 satellite image (Google Earth).


 http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/430388/news/nation/full-presentation-pnp-board-of-inquiry-fact-file-on-mamasapano-clash





 Wayne Manuel

 On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 2:44 AM, Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com wrote:

 There is a coordinate given here:
 https://twitter.com/ANCALERTS/status/564990109913608193/photo/1
 GC 6798365714

 Assuming 6798365714 as Military Grid Reference System

 I tried this online MGRS to WGS84 Converter:
 http://www.legallandconverter.com/p50.html

 using MGRS format --  51N XH 67983 65714

 where:
   51N is GZD (Grid Zone Designator) based on
 http://www.legallandconverter.com/images/world-mgrs-grid.jpg

   XH is the 100-km Grid Square ID from shp file of 51N on
 http://earth-info.nga.mil/GandG/coordsys/grids/mgrs_1km_polygon_dloads.html#Downloading

 Result:
 WGS84 -- *Lat 6.92489  Long 124.52047*

 This points to a familiar area on:

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=6.9249mlon=124.5205#map=14/6.9249/124.5205

 Could this be it?

 There's a drone video by Raffy Tima described as
 an aerial view of the PNP-SAF extraction route towards waiting SAF
 commandos on the highway more than a kilometer away.
 I don't know if it's pointing to the same area:

 http://instagram.com/p/y4GftOx1RF/?utm_source=partnerutm_medium=embedutm_campaign=video


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Re: [talk-ph] Mamasapano Incident

2015-02-10 Thread Rally de Leon

Wayne,
On Google maps, the Tukanalipao main road is still reflected as the AH26 or
Maharlika Highway (Route 1). That was also the case with OpenStreetMap
which were all based on the approximate route shape from a wiki map. I
already updated this on OSM (now correctly tagged as Route 940 - a
secondary road on DPWH map).

On DPWH Road Class  Route Numbering map on:
https://dpwh.maps.arcgis.com/apps/OnePane/basicviewer/index.html?appid=4b48284a409844fab6876aa77be8bf58#
Maharlika Highway (Route 1) cuts through Shariff Aguak all the way to
Cotabato City. Can you further investigate/verify, or edit in Google Maps?

It's very hard to edit a Trunk road classification once it matures. The
trunk rendering tend to stick for while.

Thanks,
Rally

On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 9:29 AM, Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wayne,
 Nice - very detailed report. (I am not updated with the news, hehe)
 What got me curious was the Military Grid Reference - how to convert to
 WGS84? any ideas? I don't know if the crude method I used was correct.

 I'll try to work my way backwards to verify if the computed Lat Long from
 the SMS (tweeted) message made sense from what actually happened.

 Thanks,
 Rally



 On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Wayne Manuel wdman...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey Rally,

 The PNP Presentation in the Senate showed the location on a map with a
 satellite image (Google Earth).


 http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/430388/news/nation/full-presentation-pnp-board-of-inquiry-fact-file-on-mamasapano-clash





 Wayne Manuel

 On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 2:44 AM, Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com wrote:

 There is a coordinate given here:
 https://twitter.com/ANCALERTS/status/564990109913608193/photo/1
 GC 6798365714

 Assuming 6798365714 as Military Grid Reference System

 I tried this online MGRS to WGS84 Converter:
 http://www.legallandconverter.com/p50.html

 using MGRS format --  51N XH 67983 65714

 where:
   51N is GZD (Grid Zone Designator) based on
 http://www.legallandconverter.com/images/world-mgrs-grid.jpg

   XH is the 100-km Grid Square ID from shp file of 51N on
 http://earth-info.nga.mil/GandG/coordsys/grids/mgrs_1km_polygon_dloads.html#Downloading

 Result:
 WGS84 -- *Lat 6.92489  Long 124.52047*

 This points to a familiar area on:

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=6.9249mlon=124.5205#map=14/6.9249/124.5205

 Could this be it?

 There's a drone video by Raffy Tima described as
 an aerial view of the PNP-SAF extraction route towards waiting SAF
 commandos on the highway more than a kilometer away.
 I don't know if it's pointing to the same area:

 http://instagram.com/p/y4GftOx1RF/?utm_source=partnerutm_medium=embedutm_campaign=video


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[talk-ph] Mamasapano Incident

2015-02-10 Thread Rally de Leon

There is a coordinate given here:
https://twitter.com/ANCALERTS/status/564990109913608193/photo/1
GC 6798365714

Assuming 6798365714 as Military Grid Reference System

I tried this online MGRS to WGS84 Converter:
http://www.legallandconverter.com/p50.html

using MGRS format --  51N XH 67983 65714

where:
  51N is GZD (Grid Zone Designator) based on
http://www.legallandconverter.com/images/world-mgrs-grid.jpg

  XH is the 100-km Grid Square ID from shp file of 51N on
http://earth-info.nga.mil/GandG/coordsys/grids/mgrs_1km_polygon_dloads.html#Downloading

Result:
WGS84 -- *Lat 6.92489  Long 124.52047*

This points to a familiar area on:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=6.9249mlon=124.5205#map=14/6.9249/124.5205

Could this be it?

There's a drone video by Raffy Tima described as
an aerial view of the PNP-SAF extraction route towards waiting SAF
commandos on the highway more than a kilometer away.
I don't know if it's pointing to the same area:
http://instagram.com/p/y4GftOx1RF/?utm_source=partnerutm_medium=embedutm_campaign=video
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Re: [talk-ph] Sariaya Mini Mapping Party on November 29

2014-11-27 Thread Rally de Leon

 I'll be in Alabang at 6am. I'm driving alone coming from Taytay. I can
accommodate 2 or 3 more volunteers if they want to go to Sariaya. :-)

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wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 If you're not going to FOSS4G-PH this coming November 29 (see Maning's
 earlier e-mail), you might want to join us for a mini Mapping Party in
 Sariaya, Quezon instead! :-)

 If you are interested to join, please reply to me privately as we are
 finalizing arrangements.

 Hope you can join!

 ~Eugene

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Re: [talk-ph] Sariaya Mini Mapping Party on November 29

2014-11-27 Thread Rally de Leon

Rem,
this is a one-day event.

Eugene,
Rhodor confirmed. Riding with me from taytay to alabang
On Nov 28, 2014 12:38 PM, Rem Zamora remzamor...@gmail.com wrote:

 Will this be a one-day event only Eugene?

 On Fri Nov 28 2014 at 9:04:46 AM Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'll be in Alabang at 6am. I'm driving alone coming from Taytay. I can
 accommodate 2 or 3 more volunteers if they want to go to Sariaya. :-)

 On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 1:20 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 If you're not going to FOSS4G-PH this coming November 29 (see Maning's
 earlier e-mail), you might want to join us for a mini Mapping Party in
 Sariaya, Quezon instead! :-)

 If you are interested to join, please reply to me privately as we are
 finalizing arrangements.

 Hope you can join!

 ~Eugene

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Re: [talk-ph] SOTM-PH 2014?

2014-10-03 Thread Rally de Leon

How about randomly choosing a place within Metro Manila or even the suburbs
up to lower bulacan, northern cavite, western laguna, san mateo rizal or
antipolo? Send warm invitations (via email or personal message) to local
mappers and/or active humanitarian/rescue-inclined individuals in an area.

Arrange car pool with other active mappers of NCR; meet, promote, suggest
projects and swap mapping stories with local mappers there.

Need not be night time. Meetups can be before sunrise, breakfast at a local
eatery, bakery or coffee shop somewhere along any highway or on top of a
hill :-)

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:59 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Great idea Eugene! Who wants to host the October event?

 On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 8:28 PM, RK rk.ara...@gmail.com wrote:
  Sounds interesting. PythonPH has a monthly meetup too :) Maybe we should
 try
  this? We can have a speaker or two per meetup. And maybe a workshop every
  few months depending on the demand/availability of people.



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Re: [talk-ph] Extending mapping to other areas and improving remote mappers contributions.

2013-11-22 Thread Rally de Leon

Can we put a daily-countdown announcement on FB (until expiration date)
about that 30-day opportunity to trace...? :-)

On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
wrote:

Dear OSM-PH mappers,

As you all know, the global response to map Yolanda/Haiyan affected
areas is tremendous. So far, many of the tasks are fairly covered by
volunteers
worldwide.

For the OSMPH mappers, I would like us to focus on the following tasks:

1. Maximize the use of DigitalGlobe imagery since it will expire in 30
or less days.
I created a task for this [0].

As you can see the imagery coverage is well beyond the Typhoon
affected areas. We can use this to improve data for example in:
- New Bataan (Pablo 2012)
- Zamboanga City (post-MNLF crisis)
- Bohol (Earthquake, 2013)

2. Trace small islands along the typhoon path. Many of these small
islands may have people
(check the imagery if there are evidence of settlements). Let's put
them in the map so that
responders know they exist.

3. Do general quality check of edits. Osmose by OSM-FR is a good tool to
check common errors [1].

4. One last tip if you use JOSM, in order to avoid conflict with
simultaneous editors nearby,
use JOSM's GeoChat plugin [2] to chat with editors.

Thanks!

[0] here: http://tasks2.hotosm.org/job/1003
[1]
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/?zoom=17lat=11.21248lon=125.00923layers=00BFFTlevel=1,2,3
[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/GeoChat

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Re: [talk-ph] Post-Mechanical Edit report (PNB/Allied Bank Mechanical Edits)

2013-10-30 Thread Rally de Leon

nice step-by-step guide. thanks :-)

On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:27 AM, ianlopez ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.com wrote:

Last night, I made seven changesets [1] that are part of the PNB/Allied
Bank Mechanical Edits.

What I did:
1. Inform the mappers in the affected areas using this mailing list while
simultaneously making a plan on how to manage the edits and publicizing
them for comments and suggestions
2. Document my mechanical edits in the OSM Wiki
3. Make mechanical edits
4. Make a Post-Mechanical Edit report

What I've noticed:
1. There are cases that bank branches have been relocated. An example of
this was the Kidapawan branch, which was relocated to Calinan in Davao
City[2]. Both nodes representing the two branches are currently tagged as
PNB branches.
2. During the mechanical editing process, one duplicate node in Lapu-Lapu
City was deleted while two buildings (one in Pampanga and one in Davao City
have been stripped of their bank-related tags due to the One feature, one
OSM element principle.
3. Except the instance when I encountered an edit conflict during the
North Luzon leg of the mechanical edit, the mechanical editing process went
smoothly as planned.

What can you do after the recent mechanical edit:
1. Do on-the-ground surveys to confirm if the Allied Bank branch is now a
PNB branch.
2. If you noticed that my mechanical edits do not correspond to the
on-the-ground situation, do the following:
2.1 Message me to revert my mechanical edit for a certain branch or area.
2.2 Make the corresponding edits. Example: if the Allied Bank branch is
not yet an PNB branch, re-tag it as name=Allied Bank and remove the
old_name tag for the time being. If it becomes a PNB branch, change the
tags to name=PNB; old_name=Allied Bank.

To be done in future mechanical edits:
1. Notify users in affected areas at least 3 days before the planned
mechanical edits through OSM inbox, since not everyone is a part of this
mailing list.
2. Create a dedicated mechanical edits account

[1] see
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Ianlopez1115#PNB.2FAllied_Bank_tagging_change_.28October_2013.29
[2]
http://www.pnb.com.ph/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=600Itemid=206-
I didn't copy any information from this site

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[talk-ph] recommended csv format

2013-09-18 Thread Rally de Leon

Dear all,

Which is the more common / preferred format for csv
lat,long,name or long,lat,name? and why do you prefer one over the other?
(eg. less hassle, less clicks to import csv to common GIS softwares)

If I am to recommend to ordinary people a free conversion utility, which
one? (my 2 preferred utility have different csv format)

If i use gpsbabel's generic (Comma separated values) option (eg. kml to
csv conversion)--- gpsbabel -w -i kml -f filename.kml -o csv -F
filename.csv
csv will be in this order--- lat,long,name

If i use another easy-to-use/free/multi-platform KMLCSV (from
http://choonchernlim.com/kmlcsv/ )
kml to csv conversion will give you--- long,lat,name

KMLCSV is very easy to use and allows ordinary people to view the POI's on
built-in google maps for quick verification. easy to install, easy to
distribute, virtually idiot-proof.

GPSBabel is universal, has gui and  command line, but has too many
option-buttons that can be confusing for ordinary user.

or is there a way gpsbabel can convert (kml to csv) or (osm to csv) in
long,lat,name csv format?

Thanks,
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Re: [talk-ph] recommended csv format

2013-09-18 Thread Rally de Leon

Thank you for your answers. It looks like the Lat-Long wins :-)

Yes, its more natural to read in lat-long order. I checked with some paper
records of the Bureau of Lands Location Monuments (BLLM), they too have
Latitude/Northings Longitude/Eastings columns. Googe Earth uses it.

Maybe the only reason why some technical people and gis programs use
long-lat format is don't want to reverse the order of x-y coordinate on
their data list. I'm dropping KMLCSV Converter from my preferred utilities
to recommend to lay people (too bad i love its simplicity, and can launch
Garmin POI loader from within - no big deal)


On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Ed Garcia eppgar...@gmail.com wrote:

 I also used lat-long ever since.  My GPS devices displays them in that
 order, downloads them in that order too.  my android GPS apps (GPS
 Essentials, One Touch Location, etc) displays them in that order too.


 On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Wayne Manuel wdman...@gmail.com wrote:

 Personally, I prefer lat-long. Easier to tell people that it should be
 alphabetical. And that at least in the PHL, the smaller number comes before
 the bigger number.

 Also, when copying latitude longitude from Google Maps urls (the ll
 parameter), it's lat long.

 When you want to quickly check where your lat longs are, you can just
 paste it into the Google Maps search box as lat,long




 Wayne Manuel


 On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.comwrote:

 Dear all,

 Which is the more common / preferred format for csv
 lat,long,name or long,lat,name? and why do you prefer one over the
 other? (eg. less hassle, less clicks to import csv to common GIS softwares)

 If I am to recommend to ordinary people a free conversion utility, which
 one? (my 2 preferred utility have different csv format)

 If i use gpsbabel's generic (Comma separated values) option (eg. kml
 to csv conversion)--- gpsbabel -w -i kml -f filename.kml -o csv -F
 filename.csv
 csv will be in this order--- lat,long,name

 If i use another easy-to-use/free/multi-platform KMLCSV (from
 http://choonchernlim.com/kmlcsv/ )
 kml to csv conversion will give you--- long,lat,name

 KMLCSV is very easy to use and allows ordinary people to view the POI's
 on built-in google maps for quick verification. easy to install, easy to
 distribute, virtually idiot-proof.

 GPSBabel is universal, has gui and  command line, but has too many
 option-buttons that can be confusing for ordinary user.

 or is there a way gpsbabel can convert (kml to csv) or (osm to csv) in
 long,lat,name csv format?

 Thanks,
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Re: [talk-ph] New imagery from Bing 2013-09

2013-09-06 Thread Rally de Leon

About a week ago, the cloud cover on bing in Antipolo and Taytay was
finally gone (after years of waiting). busy retracing :-)

(images were estimated taken 2012)


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:34 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote:


 http://www.bing.com/blogs/site_blogs/b/maps/archive/2013/09/06/bing-maps-publishes-13-million-square-kilometers-of-imagery.aspx

 Check your areas, report them here.

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Re: [talk-ph] Yet another WebGL 3-D OSM map

2013-08-13 Thread Rally de Leon

nice. renders a lot faster than F4

the thing I observed though while viewing UP Los Banos,
I tried searching for a Jollibee. The first in line search result gave
me a Jollibee nearest my house :-) So I guess they are tracking my IP
address.

I clicked that Jollibee in Taytay, which led me to discover that it assigns
a generic height ot the building for as long as you tag the polygon
building=*

It references its search result's address to nearest place tag whether
its a place=neighbourhood or place=village


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 Hi guys,

 Here is another WebGL-based 3-D OSM map:
 http://city.informatik.uni-bremen.de/map/

 It doesn't render building shapes as good as OSM2World or F4 Map (all
 building parts are only drawn as prisms), but you can rotate and tilt the
 map quite smoothly using the right mouse button.

 Here's New York City's Empire State Building:
 http://city.informatik.uni-bremen.de/map/#scale=17,rot=350,tilt=65,lat=40.751,lon=-73.985

 Here's Paris' Notre Dame Cathedral:
 http://city.informatik.uni-bremen.de/map/#scale=18,rot=270,tilt=63,lat=48.852,lon=2.349

 Here's Kuala Lumpur's Petronas Towers:
 http://city.informatik.uni-bremen.de/map/#scale=18,rot=259,tilt=19,lat=3.158,lon=101.711

 Here's Dubai's Burj Khalifa:
 http://city.informatik.uni-bremen.de/map/#scale=17,rot=19,tilt=8,lat=25.197,lon=55.274

 And here's UP Los Baños:
 http://city.informatik.uni-bremen.de/map/#scale=17,rot=355,tilt=65,lat=14.161,lon=121.242

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[talk-ph] What is (and what is not) a Community Center?

2013-07-19 Thread Rally de Leon

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_centre says it can be owned by the
Community, Govt, Sponsored or Commercial.
for use on:

   - As the place for all-community celebrations at various occasions and
   traditions.


   - As the place for public meetings of the citizens on various issues.


   - As the place where politicians or other official leaders come to meet
   the citizens and ask for their opinions, support or votes (election
   campaigning in democracies, other kinds of requests in non-democracies).


   - As a place where community members meet each other socially.


   - As a place housing local clubs and volunteer activities.


   - As a place that community members (and sometimes others), can rent
   cheaply when a private family function or party is too big for their own
   home. For instance the non-church parts of weddings, funerals etc.


   - As a place that passes on and retells local history.


   - As a place where local non-government activities are organised.

*
OSM TAG: amenity=community_centre
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcommunity_centre*


Is it safe to tag the following are Community Centers in PH?

- private Events Place (party places)
- multipurpose covered court for use in any barangay plaza's for sports,
campaining and emergency evac centers
- Convention / Exhibition Centers (eg. SMX)
- Clubhouse Meeting Rooms or Village Halls
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Re: [talk-ph] DPWH 2012 Road Data

2013-06-11 Thread Rally de Leon

Clicking on Region IV-A on DPWH link:
http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/region_iv_a.htm

Is it safe to classify Caylabne Road a trunk (an extension of Governor's
Drive)?
How about Naic-to-Mendez and the Tanza-Trece Martirez roads?

Weird, Aguinaldo Highway  Sta-Rosa-Tagaytay Road classified as secondary,
yet Calamba Road is arterial?? can't be

Declassify as trunk (back to primary) the pagsanjan-louisiana-lucban route?
(road is too narrow anyway)
Calauan-Nagcarlan route is just a minor road on OSM but looks like a trunk
going all the way to Tayabas on DPWH's map.


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 Hi guys,

 You might find this interesting. DPWH has provided a site showing its
 database of what I presume are National Roads that are under its
 maintenance:
 http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/index.htm

 What's even more interesting is that they are using screenshots of OSM
 maps as the basemap for several maps of roads in Metro Manila. For example,
 here's northern Quezon City:
 http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/quezon_city_1st.htm

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Re: [talk-ph] DPWH 2012 Road Data

2013-06-11 Thread Rally de Leon

On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 9:43 AM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote:

 Nice! The surface type (concrete, asphalt) is good data we can add in OSM,
 unfortunately, the disclaimer pdf has very strict copyright restrictions.

 Maning Sambale (mobile)

Maning,
it's obviously OSM basemap under the Baguio jpg right? in fact get a copies
as proof in the future. How does copyright works? Enlighten us. I
understand if they add new info on top of that OSM map, then they're
obligated to share the new info back to OSM? I guess the dpwh's copyright
restriction was just a copypaste thing.

I say let DPWH use it more on their projects silently, so that we'll have
more proof..., and then it's easier to officially negotiate for sharing of
government data in the future (give  take arrangements). :-)
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Re: [talk-ph] OSM session at the National Remote Sensing Conference on May 29, 2013

2013-05-10 Thread Rally de Leon

Eugene,

Ok (it's a wednesday, meron attendees?), assist lang ako ha... taga-kanaw
ng kape ;-)
BTW what's this workshop all about?




On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote:

 I'll see if I can take a leave from work for this.

 Rally, can you help out too?

 Others, would you be interested in helping out with this whole-day
 workshop?


 On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 6:09 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Dear everyone,

 We are invited to manage a workshop on OSM at the
 PhilRSS National Remote Sensing Conference on May 29, 2013.

 Sorry for the very short as I got this email a few minutes ago.
 I can't join due to some scheduled conflict.  If anyone wants to manage
 this,
 I'll put you in touch with the organizer.

 Draft website here:
 http://philrss.noahsark.webfactional.com/nrsc2013/preconference

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Re: [talk-ph] How can ESSC work more with the OSM-PH community

2013-02-11 Thread Rally de Leon

Warning: Very Long Email (but you may want to read as there's a goody
offer at the bottom)

By the time you read this, it will probably be Fat Tuesday? What comes
next (in PH)?
the start of the Holy Week (start of fasting and/or abstinence) right?
so I have an excuse to be holy (a little) and give a reflection (like a segue)
on a topic started by maning on ESSC about giving back to the community.

Sit back and I'll start my sermon: ;-)
There was this story about HUNGRY PEOPLE LIMITED RESOURCES.
Remember the fantastic 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish that fed five
thousands men?
(I don't read books, I just heard that story somewhere).
Well, it's supposed to be a story about the miracle of (literally)
multiplying bread.
Some argued and interpreted this miracle as not about multiplying...,
but about sharing...

Not that it belittles the unlimited power of God to make something out
of nothing,
but I kinda prefer the latter interpretation (the power to touch the
hearts of people).
In that story, it's assumed that many brought bread, but had this hesitation to
share them out for fear of something (it can be anything). Probably no
one wanted
to be the first to take out bread from their bag to share to others;
for fear that nobody will follow... for fear na pag-fiestahan tayo
leave us empty.)

And all what these people needed was just some sort of catalyst; and
so the miracle
happened. (I think you know how the story ended up: everybody was able to eat,
and there was a surplus of twelve baskets of bread). Nice story di ba? :-)

That's what we need in our community, especially for people who think they
cannot help themselves (those who lack support). Somebody has to start
the ball rolling. Well, it's like magic, people follow people who try
to be generous
themselves. But we must show them how: by being generous ourself,
despite our own limited resources.

In pinoy lingo: patak-patak tayo! coz everybody has something to
offer to the community,
whether big or small, whether talent, skills, passion, time, money,
influence or connections.

What are we saying? All you lurkers out there... we know you also have
something
to share!!! ;-)

Ilabas ang SMB (mahaba-habang inuman!) ;-)
let's talk how we (ph community) can help each other out.

I'd like to follow the works of maning, eugene and the rest of many
volunteer contributors
for the wonderful effort who have given their time, skills talent to
our community.

I don't have much (in fact it's a bad time for me), pero eto ang eto
ang patak ko:
a carrot on a stick in the form of a brand new Raspberry Pi which
I just received today
from Singapore (via a local distributor), to lure out some DIY'er out
there to share their talents
for fun...

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What the hell is a Raspberry Pi?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi
http://www.raspberrypi.org/
http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs
http://lifehacker.com/5976912/a-beginners-guide-to-diying-with-the-raspberry-pi

http://lifehacker.com/5978871/ten-more-awesome-projects-for-your-raspberry-pi
http://lifehacker.com/5929913/build-a-xbmc-media-center-with-a-35-raspberry-pi
http://lifehacker.com/5978098/turn-a-raspberry-pi-into-a-personal-vpn-for-secure-browsing-anywhere-you-go

I have with me a Rasberry Pi Model B (clear plastic case included).

Who wins it? It's up to you guys to decide. It doesn't matter who (a
person, group of persons or an org),
what matters is that can we start collaborating to make something
that will benefit
the least of our brothers both in talents and resources, the none
techie teachers, students, researchers,
social workers, poor LGU's and NGO's, etc.

Let me put it this way: we don't want to just share good maps digital
osm map, as there are lots of alternatives
out there.

But let's change the game. Let's share the crowd-sourced data itself
back to people. We are not talking about raw data.

You don't want to give hungry people wheat to cook, do you? We give
them bread to initially address the hunger.

I say we give people lots of sampler data in form of GPX, CSV, or
spreadsheet readable osm data.
Naman!!! it will encourage tamad. There will always be lazy
freeloaders... doesn't matter.

Personal Wish List (add if you want something else):
I want to isolate all name=Jollibee or names with the word hotel
I want to isolate all name=Mercury Drug where branch=null or
something like that
I want to isolate all amenity=pharmacy or amenity=clinic
I want all amenity=bus_station and amenity=bus_stop
I want to isolate all POI's with names containing hospital
Extract all POI's of bridges with no names
Extract all historical markers or whatever
etc, etc. then convert to gpx format, or to some ready-to-use
spreadsheet format (CSV format)
Let's start with POI's (single node and polygons)

What we need from you: develop and teach everybody here:
-simple fun techniques and/or methods (with or without the aids of any
free downloadable tools), easy enough to be figured out by
none-programmers

Re: [talk-ph] Cebu health facilities

2013-02-03 Thread Rally de Leon

 An article that maybe of use:
 http://weait.com/content/whats-name

nice article. thanks.
i wish we can have our own PH-specific examples of something like this.

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Re: [talk-ph] Open Data Day 2013 on February 23

2013-01-15 Thread Rally de Leon

rem,
pwedeng-pwede. dun lang tayo sa isang corner para sa pulutan session...  ;-)



On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 1:21 PM, rem zamora pompy...@gmail.com wrote:
 pwede ba sa pulutan session na lang pumunta? :)

 im not as techie as all of you. im better with mano-manong mapping :)

 rem


 On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com wrote:

 I can bring fried-itik for pulutan :-)

 On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 12:42 PM, maning sambale
 emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
  Any idea where we can get some sponsorship for food? :)
 

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Re: [talk-ph] place=neighbourhood not rendered

2012-10-17 Thread Rally de Leon

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:38 AM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 What about those tagged as landuse=residential?

landuse=residential is supposed to work with tag place=neighbourhood,
this would be ideal for subdivisions, puroks, HOA and sitios with
known boundaries

but i think the combination of both tags has a rendering problem on Mapnik
see https://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/4191

This can be a turn-off for casual map users if the names of
subdivisions  puroks suddenly disappear on the map. Can we petition
to address the issue quickly?

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Re: [talk-ph] [OSMPH GPS:14] place= ?

2012-10-16 Thread Rally de Leon

Can we discuss this thoroughly, and settle this once for all? :-)

here is my opinion on this:

-1 for use of hamlet on subdivisions/gated community
reason: hamlet is defined as smaller rural community typically with
some 100 inhabitants
proposal: drop the use of hamlet, since even the mkgmap (compiler)
recognize hamlet as a small town

-1 for use of locality on subdivisions/gated community
reason: locality is reserved for unpopulated named place
proposal: let's use locality for (none-sitio/none purok) rural name of
an areas with no defined boundary

-1 for place=subdivision
reason: not generally used in osm. the term is too general (there are
residential, industrial and agricultural subdivisions) it doesn't even
apply to large condominium complex

+1 place=village --- exclusively for name of barangay only
reason: we have been doing this already in PH mapping;
it follows the OSM heirarchy citytownvillageneigborhood

+1 place=suburb or place=locality for Districts in a City (eg. Cubao)
- those places with no definite boundaries

+1 place=farm for well established farmland/industrial
farming/plantations/hacienda in excess of 1 hectare


+1 place=neighbourhood --- all other places that are normally smaller
than a barangay: gated community, subdivisions, large townhouse
projects, multi-buildings condo complex, purok, sitio, phase (of a
very large subdivision)

Reason1: Neigbourhood is defined as a named part of a place=village, a
place=town or a place=city. Smaller than place=suburb. (which is a
good approximate in PH setting.)
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place

Reason2: there are subdivisions larger than a barangay; subdivision
located in 2 or more town boundaries; subdivisions=one whole barangay;
large rural sitio that became smaller (portion was bought  converted
to a large subdivision); 1 sitio=1 purok; registered  unregistered
HOA (eg. neigborhood assoc informal settlers); HOA within a
residential subdivision; 2-combined Phases of Subd into 1 HOA;
townhouse project within a subdivision; etc. etc. etc.

While if we use 'neighbourhood' for all the above complicated
combinations, we simplify things for novice mappers, mail messengers,
and the general public; those who may want to filter/extract address
data from OSM; it also addresses rendering issues of places on maps of
existing Apps.

Why is neighborhood' (neighbourhood) so important?
1.Because in PH, (AFAIK) there is no existing law or standard followed
in naming roads, thus...
2.There are some duplicate street names within the same town or barangay.
3.There are countless addresses in PH that does not have a 'street
names', solely relying on 'neigborhood' info
4.We still use the obsolete 4-digit zipcode for an entire town in most
areas in PH (which just make town_name redundant).
5.The only way to make a street_name unique, is to specify the name of
the 'neigbourhood', not just the barangay.


Example of a typical (none-building) Address in PH:
Address1:  3 Mabolo St.
Address2:  Purok 2,  Barangay San Juan
Taytay, Rizal 1920

Address1: [Street No./Block#-Lot# / Kilometer Marker] [Street / Highway]
Address2: [Neighbourhood] + [Barangay Name]
[City/Town] + [Province Name]
Zip Code

where: neigbourhood = SubdivisionPhase# / Purok / Sitio / Gated
Community / HomeOwners Assoc, etc

Take Note: OSM doesn't have provision for PH's
subd/purok,sitio,HOA,gated community, because of the ambiguous
hierarchy of these places mentioned above.
place=neighbourhood, maybe the closest and most appropriate tag for
PH's equivalent of Address2 including barangay name.

I happen to own a small messengerial business, and this issue of
'wrong or incomplete address' format supplied by the ignorant
customers themselves is very costly for the entire mail-delivery
industry, resulting in high number of late deliveries,
return-to-sender; waste of precious fuel and man-hours.

Maybe thru OSM, fellow mappers can help us start to sort out,
simplify, propose for standardized PH Address System (thru your
congressmen). It will be easier/simpler/faster for third parties to
extract/filter out address data /or automatically correct wrong
format by matching them with an official database of correct
addresses.

Thank you very much  mabuhay!

Rally :-)

On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:53 PM, schadow1 schad...@cxsmedia.com wrote:
 I've been mapping subdivisions and thought that the place handler for such
 is subdivision as i am seeing several mappers using it. However i've seen
 at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place that there is no such place.

 I'm seeing recent edits of manning that he uses hamlet but that is only
 for a place with 100-200 in a rural location. It is appropriate to use
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Re: [talk-ph] [OSMPH GPS:17] Block and lot number

2012-10-16 Thread Rally de Leon

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:31 AM, schadow1 schad...@cxsmedia.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 How do we indicate the block number and lot number of a certain node in OSM?
 I only know of addr:housenumber.

dear schadow1,
(long answer again --- i'm an advocate, hehe) :-)

addr:housenumber can be any alphanumeric combination, (and where
housenumber or streetnumber is not yet officially assigned by the LGU,
local assessor, project developer or Philpost)

+1 for addr:housenumber=B+[block_no] +[space] + L + [lot_no]
eg. addr:housenumber=B27 L8
not Block 27 Lot 8
not Blk 27 Lot 8
not Lot 8 Blk 27
not as customers would insist on writing them (else we delay pushing
for a standard/efficient address format law)

note:
B[x] L[x] saves a lot of character-spaces in paper/digital fill-up forms.
[Block] before [Lot] -- on physical delivery of mails  various
services, it's easier to locate, and sort mails belonging to the same
block.
Also, by observation: this [Block] [Lot] format is adapted already by
some real estate companies such as Sen. Villar's group of companies,
etc in their list of customer database, (which makes sense to me).
I'm more inclined to put the Phase_No of subdivision together with the
Subdivision Name (because it's actually a subdivision within a
subdivision (that's just my opinion)

Additional Questions:
What if a Duplex is built on the same Block-Lot property? How do we
indicate the Door No. or Apartment No. on addr:housenumber?

What if there's abuilding name on a property that already have an
established Street_No or House_No?
addr:housename that can be combined with addr:housenumber. But where
where do we put the Unit No. or Floor No.? I believe in the USA, govt
assigns a unique APT# (for any residential unit in a particular
zipcode)

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Re: [talk-ph] [OSMPH GPS:17] Block and lot number

2012-10-16 Thread Rally de Leon

 Additional Questions:
 What if a Duplex is built on the same Block-Lot property? How do we
 indicate the Door No. or Apartment No. on addr:housenumber?

 What if there's abuilding name on a property that already have an
 established Street_No or House_No?
 addr:housename that can be combined with addr:housenumber. But where
 where do we put the Unit No. or Floor No.?

oops, disregard my last questions: there's already
addr:door
addr:unit
addr:unit

(why am i so lazy in scrolling down the wiki? i really need an OSM
cheat sheet!) :-P

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Re: [talk-ph] Planned import: 7-Eleven Branch data

2012-10-04 Thread Rally de Leon

(I think this was asked before already)

In case the import pushes through, what tag should osmph formally
adapt for the branch name for those chain-establishments, branch or
name:branch?
(eg. Banks, Pharmacies, Fastfood Chains, 24/7 Convenience Stores, Gas
Stations, Utility Companies)

I think an issue was raised before, that tag branch was already in
use somewhere in Europe to refer to a transportation line/route or
something (can't remember). I don't know if it was adapted or dropped.
So to prevent future conflict, I already used name:branch in some of
my edits.

Although I'm in favor of plain branch since it's easier to type, but
we should make a formal proposal/inquiry with the other communities
(especially if we have a substantial number of establishment-branches
in PH to tag)

Regarding ref=  for use in connection with 7-Eleven branches, you'll
notice that the banks also uses branch codes. I would love to have
this info on osm if allowed (since it may be internal info to the
bank). Sometimes, it can be useful when tracking your payments if
somebody ask you to deposit an amount to a particular bank, given only
an account number and a name. Some branch-name tend to be very long
(eg. Taytay-Manila East Road), compared to a branch code which is
normally a 3 or 4 digit numeric. who knows if someday, somebody can
find useful search apps for this.

But I'm more inclined to use another tag (other than ref) since it's
already used on highway (although it's a line, not a node). Can this
complicate things when filtering info for existing mobile apps (eg.
unpredictable rendering)? what if we just use branch_code or
branch:code (more specific, but longer to type). some may say it has
no practical use to majority of the map users, but so is the ICAO (4
letter alphanumeric code for airports) :-)

+1 for branch name and +1 for branch codes for all chain establishments

I suggest we ask permission from these companies (for the masterlist 
its periodic updates). It is in their best interest that all their
branches become searchable via internet, particularly when mobile
using osm maps.


On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 8:03 PM, ianlopez ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I'm planning to import location data of 7-Eleven branches nationwide in the
 coming weeks. Based on a file that I found on the Internet Archive Wayback
 machine, the location master containing the name of its branches and
 location ID's (and other unrelated data)[0] is (presumably) licensed under
 CC BY 3.0 PH. However, I'm not sure of its current status. It would be best
 if we send an email to Philippines Seven Corporation regarding this matter.

 If imported, a typical 7-Eleven branch will have the following tags:

 name=7-Eleven
 shop=convenience
 opening_hours=24/7
 branch=(name of branch in the location master)
 ref=(location ID of branch)
 source=(to be discussed)

 [0] http://web.archive.org/web/20100612175639/http://van.7-eleven.com.ph/

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Re: [talk-ph] Pirate Map!

2012-07-02 Thread Rally de Leon

coolness. even have a folded-map look effect. :-)

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:
 Very cool! http://tiles.mapbox.com/aj/map/Sketchy2

 This was created by someone at MapBox to show off new features in the
 Mapnik rendering tool.

 The map only goes to zoom level 6 though, and I think it uses only the
 public domain Natural Earth dataset and no OSM data.

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[talk-ph] Three Hundred Years of Philippine Maps 1598-1898 (Metropolitan Museum)

2012-06-26 Thread Rally de Leon

Philippine Maps Exhibit @ Metropolitan Museum Manila
http://www.musicalplayphilippines.com/2012/06/philippine-maps-exhibit-metropolitan.html
http://www.metmuseum.ph/ongoingexhibitions.php

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Re: [talk-ph] Possible Scarborough Shoal edit war?

2012-06-05 Thread Rally de Leon

IMHO... :-)

I don't know how it looks like but I assume there is no land (no local
residents) out there, only fishermen from different countries (but
mostly from PH). Will the 'Ground Rule' apply here?

There's no question it's now a disputed territory (in the news). But
historically, who is the first mapper who claimed and gave Scarborough
Shoal a local name? I don't know who, but I really hope it's us ;-)
So the best we can do for PH is to make sure Panatag Shoal / Bajo de
Masinloc names come first before Huang Yan on the LIST; and as long as
by default, it remains Scarborough. And we ensure that Huang Yan's
name doesn't appear on osm english format maps (so that we don't get
irritated). Let them Chinese call it Huang Yan (in chinese characters)
in their own map (for all we care), so that they don't get irritated
as well. Everybody happy! :-)

Because I don't think this dispute will go away in a few years or
decade, and we don't want to give vandals/anarchists a reason to come
in and give trouble to a relatively neutral  peaceful OSM community.
Let the politicians, the military  the activists do their thing and
fight it out there. We as Filipino citizens (not as openstreetmap
mappers) will support our claim.

I suggest to politely advise both Filipino  Chinese openstreetmap
user/editors to remove (and refrain from putting) comments with
'declaration of territorial claims'; only statement of facts
pertaining to the claim/s by any party. Links may be permitted to any
wiki with regards to the dispute.

BTW, is it the same case for us, as we have not officially dropped our
claim to Sabah or did we? (Ground Rule may apply here). Can we or
should we do the same on Sabah? We will probably lose (in Sabah on
historical basis / practical basis), just as China will probably lose
to us anyway if we finally succeed to bring the issue to court.



On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 9:39 AM, ianlopez ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Re:adopt the tag or just be firm in asserting our claim to panatag shoal and 
 tag it as PH territory

 I believe that we should adopt the On the Ground Rule [1] on this one. I'm 
 not sure about the relevant laws of the other claimants but we have a law 
 stating that Scarborough is part of Philippine territory[2].

 I just hope that the current edit war won't spread to the Kalayaan Group of 
 Islands. If that happens, then it won't be long before we take this matter to 
 the Data Working Group.


 [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Disputes#On_the_Ground_Rule
 [2] Section 2b, Republic Act 9522

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 On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 1:00 AM SGT Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:

The saga continues...

A new, presumably, Chinese user did his first edit:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/11792728

The comment on the changeset is (translated using Google): Huangyan
Island is Chinese territory


On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:52 PM, tutubi
tut...@backpackingphilippines.com wrote:
 question: should we adopt the tag or just be firm in asserting our claim to 
 panatag shoal and tag it as PH territory?

 :)



 Sent from my Nokia 5110, made in Finland!

 On Jun 4, 2012, at 10:12 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 Mike Collinson added the tag is_in:country=disputed_territory when he
 imported GNS names [0], should we add this (or a modified version) in
 Scarborough?

 [0] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/302105933

 On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Well, there's no edit war going on yet, but there's someone from China
 who did the following changesets:

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/11769249
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/11769301

 The first changeset removed the Philippine boundary enclosing the
 shoal previously set by Ian Lopez, and changed default name of the
 shoal itself to Chinese: 黄岩岛 (which means Huangyan Island). The
 second changeset added the following tag: note=菲佣去死!!, which
 Google translate doesn't seem to do a good job of translating but
 seems to be an insult to Filipina maids, I think. :-/

 Anyway, I've fixed the name tagging of the shoal so that the default
 name is Scarborough Shoal, which is the neutral international name.
 The complete name tags are the following:

 INTERNATIONAL:
 name:en = Scarborough Shoal
 alt_name = Scarborough Reef

 CHINESE:
 name:en-CN = Huangyan Island
 name:zh = 黄岩岛
 name:zh_pinyin = Huángyán Dǎo

 PHILIPPINE:
 name:en-PH = Panatag Shoal
 alt_name:en-PH = Bajo de Masinloc
 name:tl = Kulumpol ng Panatag
 alt_name:tl = Bajo de Masinloc
 name:es = Bajo de Masinloc

 VIETNAMESE:
 name:vi = Bãi cạn Scarborough
 alt_name:vi = Đảo Hoàng Nham

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Re: [talk-ph] Wiki Loves Monuments needs some mapping help

2012-04-10 Thread Rally de Leon

I've tried editing just now and it looks like GoogleDoc approach is
better, considering that any newbie can point-and-click on either OSM
or Google Map,
press permalink, then cut paste the lat long info into the
GoogleDocs spreadsheet. The GoogleMap OSM links are auto-generated.
Coolness :-)

All can see the progress of the project immediately. We can fill-up
the address information.

Then maybe, we can reinsert the crowd-sourced address data gathered
here back to OSM via the available map editors.

By then, the unmapped POI's from the list can be hunted down on field
by mappers using GPS; then put the 'source' as gps or mapper. We
finish the project early...

We should have done this a long time a go :-)

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Ed Garcia eppgar...@gmail.com wrote:
Guys,

My two centavos worth ...

would it not be easier if we just place a special tag on such POIs on OSM
(maybe NCCA=yes or some other tag) then harvest them all via OSMosis later?
That way, it eliminates transcribing errors.

:) ed

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 10:59 AM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:

I added a few. Will add more later.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:20 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
wrote:
By the way, as a test, I've started adding some coordinates obtained
from OSM. Check out some of the sites in Baguio and Ilocos Norte in
the list.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:01 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi guys,

I have created a public spreadsheet for the WLM sites:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtokxpcNebAxdGJSMFRqX3F5Q3pZd2JpTGxJYThlOGc

It seems crowdsourcing this task is the way to go and using the usual
geo-research methodologies (OSM, Google, Panoramio, Wikimapia,
WaypointsDotPH, etc.)

Eugene

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Ed Garcia eppgar...@gmail.com wrote:
Nice! That's a very good tip. Thanks Jim

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote:

Ed Garcia wrote, On Tuesday, 10 April, 2012 02:37 PM:
Anyway, I have been locating many of these sites lately by using
combined panoramio, google earth, wikimapia. Latest ones are some
POIs in
Cagayan Valley. Most often, I see some of these monuments tagged
in
panoramio photos that are linked to GE.

Google Maps (not Earth) has a feature where you can right click on
any
point on the map, and select What's Here?. That puts a large green
arrow
on the map. If you then click on the arrow it will pop up the
co-ordinates
(in decimal as well as degrees, minutes, seconds). Thought that was
quite
handy. And also, as you're placing the arrow yourself, then you're
not
stealing any info from the Google database, so I imagine you can use
this
information unrestricted.

Jim

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Re: [talk-ph] BGC C-5 flyover

2012-03-20 Thread Rally de Leon

What's the name of this ramp again?
(from old news)
http://balita.ph/2010/11/26/300-m-flyover-project-soon-to-rise-in-bonifacio-global-city-taguig/

I think i got the gps track of this BGC-C5 North Entry Ramp/Flyover
last March 14

I don't recommended (this yet) if you are in a rush coming from
Buendia going to C5. That time I had a family emergency call, and
tried my luck on this new flyover instead of using Kalayaan Ave route.
I got stuck up in traffic with the many road repairs  stoplights
along 32nd street.



On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:10 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:
 maning,

 Rally actually beat you to it by about a day:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/11030523

 :)

 On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 10:22 AM, maning sambale
 emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Confirmed.
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/maning/traces/1197920
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/11036928

 On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Yup, I've confirmed that this flyover is now open. I've edited OSM to
 indicate such: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/10967343

 The flyover shape is just estimated. Somebody should get GPS track to
 confirm. :-)


 On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 I neglected to confirm today if the flyover is passable now, but I can
 confirm that the flyover is indeed as good as finished as of Thursday
 night. It's been marked as highway=construction in OSM for months now.


 On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 10:10 AM, tutubi
 tut...@backpackingphilippines.com wrote:
 is this really open? I can pass there tonight as I sometimes take a detour
 to BGC via a circuitous route to kalayaan
 to avoid EDSA traffic to QC

 http://www.philstar.com/nation/article.aspx?publicationsubcategoryid=200articleid=785069


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Re: [talk-ph] Lightmap from the University of Heidelberg

2012-03-18 Thread Rally de Leon

Can we do a project something like this, but shows Bus  PUJ routes? :-)
(from LTFRB official list)


On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 8:01 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:
 Here's a map that shows which streets and roads have street lights
 (and tagged with lit=yes):

 http://lightmap.uni-hd.de/?c=121.02380275726318,14.547862464537904z=14

 There's been a map like this in the past but this latest one was done
 by the people from the University of Heidelberg and loads much faster.

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Re: [talk-ph] Proposal to delete the imagery coverage outlines from the OSM database

2012-03-10 Thread Rally de Leon

+1

On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi guys,

 I propose to delete the imagery coverage outlines that are currently
 in the OSM database (most are tagged with the special
 outline=imagery tag). Since we already have an imagery coverage
 map[1], I think that there's no longer any need to retain these
 outlines in the database, especially since they clutter up editing,
 are inadvertently joined to streets and roads by users, and they don't
 correspond to anything real on the ground and therefore do not really
 belong in the database in the first place..

 If there's new imagery, we just trace the outlines and then I can take
 them and merge them into the coverage map.

 What do you think?

 [1] http://forge.codedgraphic.com/osm/imagery_coverage/

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Re: [talk-ph] Some results of the new Bing imagery

2012-03-05 Thread Rally de Leon

tutubi,

IMHO, if a road is assigned as oneway in most of day time (eg. 7am to
7pm, entire day-time, business hours, most of rush hours), may be we
should tag it as ONEWAY.

It's better to err on the safe side, since it's expensive to get
'oneway traffic violation'. It is much safer for auto-routing gadgets
and paper maps to show a more conservative/safe routes. It's up to the
driver on field to decide if there is an exception to that oneway
rule.

At night, isn't it that some local resident drivers in the provinces
tend to break oneway rules (and traffic lights) anyway because there
are no enforcers? it's free-for-all during night time :-)


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tut...@backpackingphilippines.com wrote:

 on Vigan and other places
 there are many streets (alternating) there that are one-way from 7am to
 7pm...i did not tag them as one way
 for now. will also add the street names later

 I could use that map for Tuguegarao and Southern Leyte, will be there in a
 few weeks

 also, kudos to the mappers of Cebu and Davao City. very much improved. was
 in cebu last week, and davao
 last year (and will be back in a few weeks)

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 wrote:

 Hi guys,

 A lot of you have started tracing using the new Bing imagery and I'd
 like to highlight some of them:

 1. Tuguegarao, Cagayan: http://osm.org/go/42mDB1p
 2. Ilagan, Isabela: http://osm.org/go/42iZ4XQ
 3. Alicia, Isabela: http://osm.org/go/4z3R2CIX- (as well as nearby towns)
 4. Vigan, Ilocos Sur: http://osm.org/go/42LX2zv8-
 5. Bolinao, Pangasinan: http://osm.org/go/4zcwXHm7- (as well as nearby
 towns)
 6. Lucena, Quezon: http://osm.org/go/4y17mj1b-
 7. Maasin, Southern Leyte: http://osm.org/go/4tS0xCUw-- (and nearby towns)
 8. Danao, Cebu: http://osm.org/go/4tRfHSQK- (and other towns along the
 eastern coast of Cebu)
 9. Busuanga Island, Palawan: http://osm.org/go/4yM4J0z-
 10. General Santos City: http://osm.org/go/4sJFTph
 11. Maitum, Sarangani: http://osm.org/go/4sDBfppc-
 12. Glan, Sarangani: http://osm.org/go/4sIQwJYB-
 13. Surigao, Surigao del Norte: http://osm.org/go/4tNezaiu-
 14. eastern half of Camiguin: http://osm.org/go/4tGKqEr

 Keep up the good work guys! We have barely scratched the potential of
 the new Bing imagery but already we have very nice new places mapped!
 :-)

 If you want to see where else you can start tracing, check out our
 Imagery Coverage Map:
 http://forge.codedgraphic.com/osm/imagery_coverage/

 As always, please be careful when tracing especially if you have never
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Re: [talk-ph] Forbidden city image of the week

2012-01-31 Thread Rally de Leon

Maybe it's aligned to a particular Magnetic North at the time of
construction?? :-)

On Tuesday, January 31, 2012, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
wrote:
 Interesting, i always thought the forbidden city is oriented on a perfect
north-south direction.  Any idea why its tilted in osm?


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[talk-ph] MMDA opens 33 new Christmas lanes

2011-12-06 Thread Rally de Leon

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/240737/news/nation/mmda-opens-33-new-christmas-lanes

http://www.mmda.gov.ph/Mabuhay-Lanes.html
For Private Vehicles from North to South:


From McArthur Highway

Right turn to Samson Road, C-4/Letre, R-10, A. Bonifacio, Roxas
Blvd., to destination.


From North Luzon Expressway:

Exit at Mindanao Avenue Access Ramp, right at Mindanao Ave., left
at Congressional, right at Tandang Sora crossing Commonwealth flyover,
Katipunan Avenue, C-5, to destination.

Exit at Mindanao Ave., Access Ramp, right at Mindanao Ave., left
at North Avenue, QMC, right at Kalayaan, left at Kamias rd. right at
Anonas, left at Aurora Blvd., right at Katipunan Avenue, C-5, to
destination.

Exit at Mindanao Ave., Access Ramp, right at Mindanao Ave., left
at North Avenue, QMC, right at Kalayaan, left at Kamias rd. right at
Anonas, left at Chico St., straight to Xavierville, right at C-5, to
destination.

Straight at A. Bonifacio Ave, left at C-3, right at Banawe, left
at E. Rodriguez, right at Araneta Ave., right at Aurora Blvd., right
at Magsaysay Blvd., left at Nagtahan - P. Quirino Ave., left at South
Super Highway to destination.

Straight at A. Bonifacio Ave, take Mayon Ave. to Welcome Rotunda,
then to destination.

Straight at A. Bonifacio, take Mayon Ave., right at Dapitan St. or
P. Florentino, left at A. Maceda, right at F. Fajardo, left at V.G.
Cruz, right at Lardizabal, left at Dela Fuente, right at R. Magsaysay
Blvd., Nagtahan to P. Quirino, left at South Super Highway to
destination.


From Epifanio Delos Santos Avenue (EDSA):

Turn right at West Ave., right at Quezon Ave., U-turn near
Magbanua, right at Timog, right at T. Morato, right at E. Rodriguez,
left at Gilmore, right at N. Domingo, left at Pinaglabanan, right at
P. Guevarra, left at L. Mencias, right at Shaw Blvd., left at Nueve de
Pebrero, Maysilo, Francisco, Mandaluyong Makati Bridge to destination.

Turn right at West Ave., right at Quezon Ave., U-turn near
Magbanua, right Sct. Reyes, take Umbel Bridge, left at Dona Rodriguez,
right at N. Domingo, left at Pinaglabanan, right at P. Guevarra, left
at L. Mencias, right at Shaw Blvd., left at Nueve de Pebrero, Maysilo,
Francisco, Mandaluyong Makati Bridge to destination.

Turn right at West Ave., right to Del Monte Ave., left at Sto.
Domingo or Biak na Bato, right at Amoranto, left at Banawe or D.
Tuazon, right at Maria Clara or Dapitan to destination.

Turn right at Mo. Ignacia, left at Timog Ave., right at T. Morato,
right at E. Rodriguez, left at Gilmore, right at N. Domingo, left at
Pinaglabanan, right at P. Guevarra, right at Shaw Blvd., left at Nueve
de Pebrero, Maysilo, Francisco, Mandaluyong Makati Bridge to
destination.

Turn right at Kamuning left at T. Morato, right at E. Rodriguez,
left at Gilmore, right at N. Domingo, left at Pinaglabanan, right at
P. Guevarra, right at Shaw Blvd., left at Nueve de Pebrero, Maysilo,
Francisco, Mandaluyong Makati Bridge to destination.

Turn right at Shaw Blvd. left at Nueve de Pebrero, Maysilo,
Francisco, Mandaluyong Makati Bridge to destination.

Turn right to Madison, right to Pinoeer past EDSA - Boni tunnel,
right to Pinatubo, left to Cordillera, left to Arayat, go down Nueve
de Pebrero, right to S. Laurel (one-way), left to Shaw Blvd., right to
Ideal, left to McColough, right to A. Mabini (one-way), left to Wilson
to San Juan area, then to destination.


From Pasig Rosario to South Super Highway:

From Ortigas Ave. ext., take U-turn at Rosario Bridge, right at
Dr. Sixto Antonio Ave., right at Vargas bridge to C-5 to destination.

From Ortigas Ave. ext., take U-turn at Rosario Bridge, right at
Dr. Sixto Antonio Ave., right at Vargas bridge to Pasig Blvd., left at
Shaw Blvd., left at Pioneer, straight to EDSA - Boni bridge, right at
Barangka drive, then take Barangka - Estrella bridge to Makati area to
destination.

From Ortigas Ave. ext., take U-turn at Rosario Bridge, right at C.
Raymundo, Bagong Ilog to C-5 to destination.


From Quezon City to Makati:

Take N. Domingo, left to Blumentritt - Kalentong, left at Manalo
St., left at Manalo St., right at Mariano St., right at L. Mencias,
right at Shaw Blvd., left at Nueve de Pebrero/Martinez, Maysilo, Sgt.
Bumatay or San Francisco Mandaluyong Makati Bridge or Barangka Drive
Estrella Bridge to destination.

From E. Rodriguez, left at Matimyas - Plaza Noli to Fajardo, left
at V.G. Cruz, right at Lardizabal, left at Dela Fuente, right at R.
Magsaysay Blvd., Nagtahan to P. Quirino, left at South Super Highway
to destination.


From Mandaluyong to Makati:

From Shaw Blvd., right at Acacia Lane, right at F. Ortigas, left
at Boni Ave., Maysilo to destination.



For Private Vehicles from South to North:

From Coastal Road Expressway:

Straight at Roxas blvd to R10 right at C4, Samson road to destination.


From South Luzon Expressway:

Exit to C-5, Katipunan, Tandang Sora Ave., U-turn at

Re: [talk-ph] Where exactly is Apalit Bridge?

2011-11-24 Thread Rally de Leon

got it thanks :-)

 http://www.gmanews.tv/story/239379/regions/apalit-pampanga-bridge-collapses-as-three-dump-trucks-pass
 I think it's Colgante Bridge in our OSM map N14 56.351 E120 44.139.


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[talk-ph] Where exactly is Apalit Bridge?

2011-11-22 Thread Rally de Leon

Per latest OSM Map it's approx position is N14.92016 E120.76567

Per Roadguide (v1.25) N14.92016 E120.76567 points to Calumpit Bridge

Where is this collapsed bridge ...in Macabebe's Colgante village
described by a certain YouScooper Bon Sunga?
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/239379/regions/apalit-pampanga-bridge-collapses-as-three-dump-trucks-pass

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Re: [talk-ph] osgeo-ph december 2011 meetup

2011-11-18 Thread Rally de Leon

Who will attend: This meetup is very informal, open to anybody, you don't
need to be a GIS professional or anything...

Ok I fall under the classification anything ...eerrr Amateur Mapper??

I'm not using any of the mentioned softwares, but at one point installed
and tried on my PC, yet failed and got stuck up in the middle of self-study
for the nth time (for lack of necessary prerequisite knowledge in database
management and/or programming languages). I'm still very much interested to
learn to use one, and I'm trying to decide which direction to go. Looking
for guidance from people in the industry, I'll try to sit-in and be
inspired, observe to see how it goes. I'll probably volunteer to serve
coffee/beer  snacks just to make myself useful :-)

Regards,
Rally

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 11:38 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 OSGeo is an umbrella organization of many free and open source
 geospatial software (i. e. QGIS, GRASS, Mapserver, etc.) [0].  This is
 not an elite community and participation is open to everyone.  For a
 simple analogy I look at it as:

 OSM = open geo data
 OSGEO = open geo software

 We are also organizing local chapters (like osm-ph) to help spread the
 use of OSGEO software.  The group is very young and will take form
 depending on how the group wants it to be [1].  I am sharing the
 meetup invitation here because in many osgeo local communities, osm is
 an important project for them.

 As for your question on the target profile, I actually don't know. I'm
 still discovering who in the PH is using osgeo software.  I use many
 osgeo software (for work and for fun) hopefully this group can become
 a venue for users/developers in the PH to share skills.

 [0] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Main_Page
 [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Philippines

 On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi Maning,
  my stupid questions (sorry for my long absence):
 
  what exactly is OSGEO-PH? Is this some sort of umbrella-org for
  geo-professionals only, or just 'one-geek-level higher' than osmph? from
 the
  sound of it, it's not for amateurs (my impression only).
 
  if any casual osmph member/mapper invites himself (crash-in by signing
 up in
  the wiki) to a osgeo-ph chapter meeting, what exactly can he expect;
  or will he find himself surrounded by geo-gods talking linux  all etc,
  finding himself out of place, not be able to participate? ;-)
 
  what are the target (particular) profiles of attendees? if you know what
 I
  mean (or if I know what I mean)? hehe, sorry for my ignorance.
 
  Rally
 
 
  On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 10:13 AM, maning sambale
  emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  Inviting you to the OSGEO-PH Dec 2011 meetup.
 
  Details here:
  http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Philippines/Chapter_Meeting_2011-12-03
 
  Perhaps one OSMer can present something about OSM-PH?
 
  Please confirm or add your name in the wiki if you're coming. Thanks.
 
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Re: [talk-ph] Google LatLong blog article on MapUps this year

2011-09-19 Thread Rally de Leon

nyaks, supermapper kayo dyan, nakakahiya...talaga yan si Aileen :-) (she was
probably referring to our Ondoy experience).

I only did a portion of Lupang Arenda at the request of fellow mapper Louie
Galvez (Red Cross Makati) to quickly produce a sketch map and identify
evacuation centers for the operations briefing of relief volunteers, donors
and military.

Before Ondoy, it was dangerous to map/collect data in that area due to
peaceorder problem, so no roadmap on Google Earth, Roadguide or OSM. I had
to produce one that can be shown offline. Fortunately I still had
power/internet at my house, to download/cache GE images and able to trace 
describe the roads based on local knowledge  fresh POI gps/field-collected
data.

I observed that non-mappers easily understood/participated more in logistics
planning using simple GE drawn-lines over satellite images. It worked. In
just a few hours, military trucks (with Red Cross volunteers) were able to
navigate in a planned route, waist-high/neck-high floods in the middle of
the night (using gps); to bring relief goods to the scattered  unattended
evacuation centers. True I helped made a map, but the credit should go to
the ones who braved the mixed sewage-flood waist-high water. The
resident-messenger I sent to survey  collect gps-data, described how dirty
the water was (with floating eeky soft-brown things). He had to put his
pants on a boiling water pot afterwards. :-)


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 http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2011/09/philippines-hosts-summer-of-mapups-for.html

 super mapper Rally even has a special mention. Hehehe.

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Re: [talk-ph] Makati or Makati City?

2011-06-20 Thread Rally de Leon

+1 Makati
-1 Makati City

+1 all cities with no similar provincial/regional names or equivalent
(anywhere in the PH) must be stripped of their city suffixes or prefixes
--- use a separate tag.
(only exemptions are those: Cebu City (province of Cebu), Quezon City
(Quezon Province), Sorsogon City (Sorsogon Province), Tarlac City (Tarlac
Province), and alike etc)

+1 no city suffix or prefix for the likes of cities of San Fernando in La
Union  Pampanga, even if there are towns of the same name such as San
Fernando's in Bukidnon, Camarines Sur, Cebu, Romblon  Masbate

for the same reason that Los Angeles and San Francisco doesn't have a city
suffix or prefix in most maps (eg. google maps),  we want to reduce map
clutter  maintain consistency of city labeling rules


On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 11:16 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Two variants of the Makati tags

 is_in:city
 Makati - 320
 Makati City - 1

 addr:city
 Makati - 1231
 Makati City - 11

 Obviously, Makati is more popular.  With the group's permission I
 would like to remove the word city in all of the addr:city and
 is_in:city tags in Makati

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Re: [talk-ph] Caviteño: Is Antero Soriano Highway a really major highway?

2011-06-14 Thread Rally de Leon

the high volume of traffic on Soriano says it's a trunk, but is it true that
the traffic there is also very slow? If you can rarely reach an the average
speed 40kmh, then maybe just another busy 'primary city road' that connects
a few towns  cities. (we can't say the same for Metro Manila to qualify for
trunk road).

If you look at it in isolation, Soriano highway is not long enough to
connect the province from end-to-end or doesn't function like bringing
traffic from one region/province to another. (unlike Aguinaldo Hway 
Governor's Drive, which terminate either to another province or to the
coastline, or crosses provincial boundaries).

Unless we interpret Soriano Hway as part of series of connected system of
roads, eg. a continuation of CAVITEX which connects to NCR, or sort of a
loop that connects back to Governor's Drive. Try zooming out (when all
primary roads start to disappear, as I see it in a garmin map); it will show
that Cavitex logically needs a 'provincial road' to terminate to (or to
connect to...) Then it can be a trunk

my opinion is 50:50, we go either way (trunk or primary).

Now consider a tree. If you cut its trunk, everything on top of it will
die.The trunk serves as the main conduit of water  nutrients from roots to
all the branches and all the way to the topmost leaves  twigs.

What will happen to Metro Manila if Guadalupe Bridge (part of EDSA), or that
bridge in C-5 connecting Pasig to Makati collapse? chaos! goods coming from
the NLEX or SLEX can't get through. Metro Manila will virtually be divided.
Or imagine cutting Manila East Road or Ortigas Ave Ext in Rizal, or Halsema
Highway in the Cordillera? you kill the provincial industries.

The Caviteno's can answer the same question: if we cut Soriano Hiway, what
happens to the Cavite province? If Cavite can survive without it (even with
minor or major inconveniences of going around a similar alternate road),
then it's not a trunk road. Or what will happen to the future volume traffic
of CAVITEX if we close Soriano Hway?


On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 11:50 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote:

 Any other opinions from other people in Cavite? Ian H., Rem? :-)


 On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Sorbi Ildefonso 
 sorbi.ildefo...@gmail.com wrote:

 I believe it is a major highway. Volume-wise, a lot of vehicles including
 three bus lines (Lawton-Naic, Lawton-Ternate, Lawton-Maragondon) use A.
 Soriano.


 On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:33 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote:

 A user wants to upgrade Antero Soriano Highway which connects Bacoor
 to Naic from a primary road to a trunk road. I'd like to get the
 opinion if this is a good move.

 For reference, Governor's Drive, which connects Naic to Carmona, and
 Aguinaldo Highway, which connects Bacoor to Tagaytay, are both marked
 as trunk roads already.



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Re: [talk-ph] Tagging convention: names for city, municipal and barangay halls

2011-06-01 Thread Rally de Leon

Try viewing the whole Metro Manila, one single province, or one whole town
in your screen-monitor. You will notice that the town-POI's close proximity
to their admin buildings hardly make a difference, because the user's focus
is usually the center of the town-proper or barangay-proper itself.

Like in most map (whether on paper or digital screen), a POI normally has an
ICON + TEXT with a font-size larger than the building polygon itself. So if
we place the Town-POI directly on top of its respective townhall polygon, we
will essentially be covering it (building) with the Town's ICON or town
name text. What if that townhall polygon contains a Post-office, NBI, Hall
of Justice, Comelec, Jail, Police Station, etc? then we effectively block
all of them with the 'slightly larger font' of the city-POI placed on top of
them.

I normally place the town-POI or barangay-POI close to it's administrative
building, but in such a way that when viewing the Vicinity Map, the
Town-POI's text should do not cover other texts or icons. I noticed that
some OSM map-applications (or equivalent papermap derivatives) may not have
smart rendering. So it may be a good practice to manually reposition our
town-POI the old-fashion way, so that the map deliver maximum useable
information yet still minimizing clutter  bunching of information.

Since it's an art  not an exact science, I found by trial  error that
50-150meter (or slightly more but not greater than 250m) are good distance
(range) were we can place our Town or Barangay POI away from admin building.
Panning  looking for barangay hall or city hall within 100-200meter radius
seems relatively easy.

The center of poblacion or barangay is normally very close to the
administrative hall. Exception: A townhall is sometimes relocated to a new
site outside of its poblacion, and the town-POI should not necessarily be
moved away from the old towncenter.  A good guide is to place it closer to
the old townplaza, old church. I'm sure (there are exceptions to this
exception). Let's just discuss them here :-)

Rally

On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Gerardo Calimoso gcalim...@gmail.comwrote:

 well, that's good if we identify barangay halls, health centers, day
 care centers etc. which are all the basic unit of governance in the
 barangay. also, may i suggest that we place, if possible, the names of
 barangay, city, municipality and the province in the exact location of
 the building where it is located like the barangay hall, city hall,
 municipal hall and the provincial capitol.

 thanks,

 gerry calimoso

 On 5/29/11, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi guys,
 
  Here's a tagging convention for the names for city, municipal and
  barangay halls.
 
  If you have any suggestions, questions or violent reactions, just reply.
 :-)
 
  Eugene
 
  
 
  Cities:
  name=name of city City Hall
  amenity=townhall
 
  Example: Baguio City Hall
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/43615687
 
  
 
  Municipalities:
  name=name of municipality Municipal Hall
  amenity=townhall
 
  Example: Silang Municipal Hall, Cavite
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/77326477
 
  
 
  Barangays:
  name=name of barangay Barangay Hall
 
  Example: West Triangle Barangay Hall, Quezon City
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/85400671
 
  
 
  Barangays whose names are numbers (e.g., in Manila, Pasay, Caloocan):
  name=Barangay number of barangay Hall
 
  Example: Barangay 8 Hall, Pasay City
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/109906510
 
  
 
  Notes and links:
  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity=townhall
 
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Re: [talk-ph] Grande Island Resort is using OSM

2011-05-29 Thread Rally de Leon

I think we can add non-gps ferry route on water bays known to be deep enough
(eg subic area), or no known fishpens or fish cages in the area. (not
recommended in laguna de bay).

In night-time or zero-visibility navigation using untested ferrt route,
smaller pump boats may end up going through fishnets :-)

eg. the short pumpboat ride between Dos Palmas Resort  Isla Punting
Buhangin can be tricky since there are shallow water/sand bars

On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi Ed,

 I think there is no problem with adding a non-GPS-based ferry route.
 There isn't any major routing decisions to be made for this short
 ferry ride and somebody else can improve the ferry route geometry in
 the future.

 I don't want to add it now though since I'm not sure where the
 terminal is in Subic Bay Freeport Zone.

 Eugene


 On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Ed Garcia eppgar...@gmail.com wrote:
  I suggest adding the ferry route from the terminal at the Waterfront road
 to
  the Island so that it can be used by the routing services if one requests
 a
  route from Manila to the Island.
 
  I have just added the resort to waypointsdotph:
  http://waypoints.ph/vmap.php?wpt=rr0082
  If a ferry route is added at OSM, the routing services can calculate
 routes
  up to the island.
 
  Well, I guess my question is, need we wait for GPS traces of the ferry
  route?  or can we go ahead and plot the most probable route of the ferry?
 
 
  On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 10:01 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  I just sent them an email message (though it was to
  sa...@grandeislandresort.com--there was no general email address). :-)
 
  On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:48 PM, maning sambale
  emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
   Dear Eugene,
  
   Have you tried sending them a message with the correct html embed
 code?
  
   On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar 
 sea...@gmail.com
   wrote:
   Grande Island Resort in Subic Bay is using OSM to show their location
   in their website: http://www.grandeislandresort.com/location.html
  
   Unfortunately, the marker shown in the map is about a hundred
   kilometers off the actual location of the resort:
   http://osm.org/go/4zMqrIm?m
  
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Re: [talk-ph] Grande Island Resort is using OSM

2011-05-29 Thread Rally de Leon

yes, I noticed this technique by the boatmen in dos palmas (keeping the
direction of the boat as perpendicular as possible, rather than parallel to
the direction of the waves) :-)

On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 10:37 AM, tutubi
tut...@backpackingphilippines.comwrote:

 Hi Rally,

 I have a trace of the Dos Palmas ferry route (and even pearl farm) but
 i didn't upload them when i saw the route is already there. Perhaps I
 can check. Also, the islands of Honda Bay are not tagged they way
 locals call the islands...just remembered it now...will correct later
 :P

 ferry routes also depends on directions of the waves i.e. boatmen and
 sailors don't approach waves head on but at around 45 degrees to
 lessen impact.

 i used to boat around laguna lake as a child and that was one of the
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  I think we can add non-gps ferry route on water bays known to be deep
 enough
  (eg subic area), or no known fishpens or fish cages in the area. (not
  recommended in laguna de bay).
 
  In night-time or zero-visibility navigation using untested ferrt route,
  smaller pump boats may end up going through fishnets :-)
 
  eg. the short pumpboat ride between Dos Palmas Resort  Isla Punting
  Buhangin can be tricky since there are shallow water/sand bars
 
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Re: [talk-ph] tags for dormitories

2011-05-16 Thread Rally de Leon

Proposed: building=dormitory for buildings similar to that of UP's
residence halls? but they are generally residential buildings that house
sleeping quarters for university students

The rest of the buildings are just tagged as plain building=yes (whether
for commercial, industrial, hospital or school use)

In PH, there is sort of a convergence towards creating mixed-use
one-stop-shop buildings.

We now have hospitals that have commercial establishment (restaurants, spa,
etc) covering a considerable amount floor area.
Residential condo with Office or Commercial space in the entire lower
floors.
A commercial or residential building with considerable floor-space devoted
to place_of_worship or vice-versa (eg. CCF in St.Francis Square or the newly
constructed CCF in Frontera Verde - which could probably end up as a church
+ training center + commercial space).

Or how about the dorm-type building in Home Depot Ortigas (for callcenters
and office workers), or Gwapotel (for workers) by MMDA. I'm will not be
surprised if some 'residential houses' (not exactly apartments) with lady
bed spacers sign will be tagged as building=dormitory by newbies. :-)

We may end up with new proposals such as building=commercial or
building=residential etc instead of 'landuse'; better left declared properly
by the owner of the building themselves (or the City Assessor). Until then,
maybe the PH mappers are safer to tag these polygons with plain
building=yes

how about additional tag for the POI such as amenity=dormitory (or is it
an amenity) occupant=student? ;-) I think it's improper to tag as
tourism=dormitory because the primary customers are not travelers, unlike
hotels  motels.

the building structure  features of student-dorms are closely related to
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dhostel
except that it's for longer-stay, covered by some sort of contract for a
particular period, more like a room-for-rent? i'm not familiar.

maybe it should be in the same tag-category as apartment (if it exist) eg.
any residential spaces/rooms/house for lease or rent (not for leisure or
tourism use)



On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:13 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote:

 I saw some tagged as chalet and hostel, but there is tage for
 dormitories: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building%3Ddormitory
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Re: [talk-ph] Tagging suggestion: opening_hours=24/7

2011-05-09 Thread Rally de Leon

+1 opening_hours=24/7 for 24-hour Mercury Drug and all other Major Drug
Stores
+1 opening_hours=24/7 for McDonalds /Jollibee  other big fastfood chains
etc...

How about requesting Mercury Drug for their official list (including the
branch names), maybe they can just update/email us whenever they open a new
24hour branch? :-)

On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 12:56 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi guys,

 To input the opening or operating hours of any establishment, you can
 use the opening_hours=* tag. The value has a special format and you
 can read about it here:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_hours

 For example, opening_hours=Mo-Sa 09:00-19:00 means that the
 establishment is open from 9 am to 7 pm Mondays to Saturdays.

 Entering this level of detail is completely optional.

 However, I would strongly suggest that you enter the special value
 24/7 for establishments that are open 24 hours. More than the other
 formatted values, 24/7 is quite important to know and may be useful in
 emergencies (have you ever tried searching for a 24-hour Mercury Drug
 store to buy medicine in the middle of the night?).

 So, I personally don't care if you contribute values like Mo-Sa
 09:00-19:00 or not. But I encourage you to tag 24-hour
 establishments. :-)

 Eugene

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Re: [talk-ph] quiapo's electronics, photography and optical shops?

2011-05-09 Thread Rally de Leon

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features

shop=optician   (optical shops, with optometrists - sells corrective
lenses/prescription glasses)
craft=optician

amenity=doctors   for full opthalmologist on clinics) - but if optha's
office is in the Medical Arts building of a Medical Complex (hospital) - no
need for tag.

Camera:
nearest related official osm tag is shop=electronics for Digicams (i don't
know for the antique SLR cameras)

any suggestion to tag combined camera/photo, video, multimedia equipt (eg
projectors)?


Gensets:
on above link, hardware is described to sell bolts  nuts, paints, but in PH
local hardwares sell everything to build a house, tools, even construction
materials such hollow blocks. So for this purpose, i'm more inclined to
classify any shop selling none-automotive tools, more particularly made of
metal: bolts, hammers, drills  all it's accessories, gensets, grinders
(whether powered or not) as a clue that it's a hardware.

+1 for shop=hardware instead of shop=do_it_yourself
DIY's also sell gensets (but on limited stocks only - for purpose of
variety)

if it sells purely paint, then shop=paint

Before  AceHardware, Handyman, True Value, builders depots... professionals
 craftsmen go to Evangelista in Quiapo, and more particularly Dasmarinas St
in Binondo for special power tools, generator sets, welding machines,
plumbers tool, lathe, etc. These power tools  Portable Gensets  other
equipt are usually sold on the 'same' hardware shops (which are not your
typical DYI stores which sell lightbulbs, sockets, antenna connectors,
paints, wall fans  bathroom cleaning stuff)

besides Coleman's Powermate, is there any shop exclusively selling
commercial-grade portable gensets? (maybe it's just an exception) - no need
for a separate classification or icon

On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 10:15 AM, tutubi
tut...@backpackingphilippines.comwrote:


 i'm now populating POIs in quiapo after fixing routing around the area and
 nearby Sta. Cruz
 i wanted to add electronics shops on raon, optical shops on paterno, and
 photography shops on hidalgo and p gomez but i don't know how to tag them.

 for electronics: i temporarily used DIY
 for photography?
 optical: clinic?
 how about generators and power shops on evangelista?

 i may just add them with a name and FIXME tag for now


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Re: [talk-ph] Tagging suggestion: Use the branch=* tag!

2011-04-27 Thread Rally de Leon

'name:branch' is just something I invented. Besides the reasons as I already
stated earlier (like bunching of similar tag by natural sorting-order of
josm), I hesitated using plain 'branch' tag earlier because I'm afraid it
may be reserved for other generic/universal purpose in osm (that I'm not
aware of and produce conflict later...) and I'm too lazy to do research. :-)

Now it appears no one is using or will be using 'branch' other than the PH's
definition of a shop's branch name or code.

ok then, let's adapt 'branch', just rename all name:branch you'll find while
editing, and let's hope it becomes adapted by osm. :-)

(no problem with garmin map, since we treat both branch  name:branch as
valid tags in the style filter, until such time we renamed all name:branch
for consistency).


On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote:

 So does everyone agree that we should use branch instead of
 name:branch as the key for the tag?

 (I prefer branch because it's faster to type with autocomplete: br)


 On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 4:08 PM, maning sambale
 emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
  Nothing on the wiki, but, it used even outside the PH (although more
  than half is here in the PH):
  http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/branch#values
  http://tagwatch.stoecker.eu/Philippines/En/top_undocumented_keys.html
 
  On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  ok lang ako with plain branch, it's easier to type.  I have no problem
  typing it on josm editor, since it's autofill, once it detects the
 presence
  of at least one name:branch tag in your work area.
 
  'name:branch' is just a personal preference because name  name:branch
 shows
  in sequential/alphabetical order on JOSM. It's nicer to look at, and I
 like
  the name-association approach in our other openstreetmap. eg. the way we
 use
  place:ph which appears close to other place tags (i like the fact that
  closely-related-tags tend to bunch together) :-)
 
  anyway, whatever is agreed upon, i'll follow. (what's the approach of
 other
  osm people worldwide or they don't care about the branches?)
 
  On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 3:18 PM, maning sambale 
 emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  I agree with all your points, perhaps we can start adding the branch
  tag to all common POIs (jollibee, mcdo, etc.)? But why use the
  name:branch instead of just the branch tag?
 
  Of course, I will follow whatever we agree as a group. ;)
 
  On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  
  
   On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, maning sambale
   emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   +1 for adding the branch tag.
  
   @Rally, is there any additional benefit for using the name:branch
   key?
  
   In the garmin map, it shows as Name - Branch.
  
  
   For garmin map, the plan is to add name + - + name:branch when
 the
   map
   is compiled, so that it's more convenient to search for a particular
   shop
   while you're mobile. (need not look at the properties of every poi on
   the
   'search results' to see if you got the correct address). I'm sure gps
   users
   know this, and this is the reason why many contributors put the
   branch-name
   after the shop's name.
  
   So why separate (if we will combine them altogether again for garmin
   map)?,
   because others may want to extract all the Jollibee's, Metrobanks,
   Mecury
   Drugs, 7-Eleven's etc. It's much much easier to filter out a specific
   brand
   (for whatever purpose it may serve, eg. market study).
  
   If in the future, I want all my Shell Stations to have a unique
 custom
   Icon,
   all I have to do is filter out all name=Shell  amenity=fuel on the
   style
   section. If we encourage contributors to put so many different
   name-branch
   combinations, we might miss out a few branches in the process.

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Re: [talk-ph] Tagging suggestion: Use the branch=* tag!

2011-04-26 Thread Rally de Leon

On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 +1 for adding the branch tag.

 @Rally, is there any additional benefit for using the name:branch key?

 In the garmin map, it shows as Name - Branch.


For garmin map, the plan is to add name + - + name:branch when the map
is compiled, so that it's more convenient to search for a particular shop
while you're mobile. (need not look at the properties of every poi on the
'search results' to see if you got the correct address). I'm sure gps users
know this, and this is the reason why many contributors put the branch-name
after the shop's name.

So why separate (if we will combine them altogether again for garmin map)?,
because others may want to extract all the Jollibee's, Metrobanks, Mecury
Drugs, 7-Eleven's etc. It's much much easier to filter out a specific brand
(for whatever purpose it may serve, eg. market study).

If in the future, I want all my Shell Stations to have a unique custom Icon,
all I have to do is filter out all name=Shell  amenity=fuel on the style
section. If we encourage contributors to put so many different name-branch
combinations, we might miss out a few branches in the process.
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Re: [talk-ph] Tagging suggestion: Use the branch=* tag!

2011-04-26 Thread Rally de Leon

ok lang ako with plain branch, it's easier to type.  I have no problem
typing it on josm editor, since it's autofill, once it detects the presence
of at least one name:branch tag in your work area.

'name:branch' is just a personal preference because name  name:branch shows
in sequential/alphabetical order on JOSM. It's nicer to look at, and I like
the name-association approach in our other openstreetmap. eg. the way we use
place:ph which appears close to other place tags (i like the fact that
closely-related-tags tend to bunch together) :-)

anyway, whatever is agreed upon, i'll follow. (what's the approach of other
osm people worldwide or they don't care about the branches?)

On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 3:18 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote:

 I agree with all your points, perhaps we can start adding the branch
 tag to all common POIs (jollibee, mcdo, etc.)? But why use the
 name:branch instead of just the branch tag?

 Of course, I will follow whatever we agree as a group. ;)

 On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
  On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, maning sambale
  emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  +1 for adding the branch tag.
 
  @Rally, is there any additional benefit for using the name:branch key?
 
  In the garmin map, it shows as Name - Branch.
 
 
  For garmin map, the plan is to add name + - + name:branch when the
 map
  is compiled, so that it's more convenient to search for a particular shop
  while you're mobile. (need not look at the properties of every poi on the
  'search results' to see if you got the correct address). I'm sure gps
 users
  know this, and this is the reason why many contributors put the
 branch-name
  after the shop's name.
 
  So why separate (if we will combine them altogether again for garmin
 map)?,
  because others may want to extract all the Jollibee's, Metrobanks, Mecury
  Drugs, 7-Eleven's etc. It's much much easier to filter out a specific
 brand
  (for whatever purpose it may serve, eg. market study).
 
  If in the future, I want all my Shell Stations to have a unique custom
 Icon,
  all I have to do is filter out all name=Shell  amenity=fuel on the style
  section. If we encourage contributors to put so many different
 name-branch
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Re: [talk-ph] GPS article

2011-03-07 Thread Rally de Leon

what if it was intentional (signal-jamming experiment)? like what North
Korea is doing to South Korea.
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/world/view/20110306-323798/N-Korea-jammed-S-Korea-GPS-devices

On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote:

A general GPS tech article, rather than a mapping-related one, but I
thought it might be interesting anyway.

IT WAS just after midday in San Diego, California, when the disruption
started. In the tower at the airport, air-traffic controllers peered at
their monitors only to find that their system for tracking incoming planes
was malfunctioning. At the Naval Medical Center, emergency pagers used for
summoning doctors stopped working. Chaos threatened in the busy harbour,
too, after the traffic-management system used for guiding boats failed. On
the streets, people reaching for their cellphones found they had no signal
and bank customers trying to withdraw cash from local ATMs were refused.
Problems persisted for another 2 hours.

It took three days to find an explanation for this mysterious event in
January 2007. Two navy ships in the San Diego harbour had been conducting a
training exercise. To test procedures when communications were lost,
technicians jammed radio signals. Unwittingly, they also blocked radio
signals from GPS satellites across a swathe of the city.

Continues ...

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20202-gps-chaos-how-a-30-box-can-jam-your-life.html?full=trueprint=true

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[talk-ph] Mapping the Nation (Ambeth Ocampo)

2011-02-17 Thread Rally de Leon

Back in the 90's, Ambeth was told that a Murillo Velarde map was available
in Italy for P1 million, and he asked his father if he could advance his
inheritance...

hehe - I love his passion. :-)

maps don’t just teach geography; as a depiction of our country these maps
should also teach history and nationhood

http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquireropinion/columns/view/20110218-320885/Mapping-the-nation
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Re: [talk-ph] tagging rotund/roundabout

2011-02-07 Thread Rally de Leon

 Thus, I think QC's Elliptical Road, and Mandaluyong's Maysilo are *not*
 roundabouts.


I haven't checked the entire Elliptical Road's entrances to the inner circle
(the park etc), but I don't think it's possible for a car to cut directly
across the elliptical road, from the outer to the inner. All vehicles coming
from the radial roads are required to turn right and follow the circle.
Vehicles from the peripheries merged slowly to the traffic (going
counter-clockwise). After carefully merging with the flow, it can
(carefully) swerve to the inner lanes, little by little until it's on the
inner ring, where it's safe to make a left turn to the entrance of inner
(polygon). In which case, Quezon Memorial Circle functions like a big
roundabout, don't you think?
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Re: [talk-ph] RFC re-tag Halsema Highway from primary to trunk

2011-01-31 Thread Rally de Leon

+1 trunk - from benguet to mountain province to ifugao to nueva ecija
(connecting to daang maharlika)



On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Ed Garcia eppgar...@gmail.com wrote:

 My two centavos worth ... (from reading various opinions on the subject)
 ...

 If the road crosses provinces and IS the main road of choice for travelling
 from one province to another, I would agree tagging it as trunk.


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  wrote:

 Halsema Highway is the major route/artery in CAR.  Currently, it is
 tagged as highway:primary.  I'm pondering on re-tagging it to
 highway:trunk.  Any comments.
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Re: [talk-ph] Be careful in tracing from Bing Maps

2011-01-05 Thread Rally de Leon

Hi Jim,
It is possible to do this on the latest JOSM. I was also surprised
(and very happy) to discover this powerful new feature on JOSM.
Because I used to manually enter 'numeric values' for offset
corrections (Northings/Eastings), and It's a long trial  error
process to get the best-fit; now it's just click  drag. very nice.

And the other thing I love (on josm) is that you can 'bookmark' a lot
of these offset values per working area. Note: (from experience), the
offset correction is normally good only within 300-500 meter radius
(from the center of your good reference area); after which, the
imagery tends to shift slightly. Thus, to maintain good  tight
alignments between uploaded gps traces  osm data, you have to
recalibrate (offset) every half kilometer or so... in which case,
bookmarking offsets can make your life a lot easier. :-)

Rally

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 Eugene Alvin Villar wrote, On Thursday, 06 January, 2011 02:03 AM:
 In Potlatch 2 and Merkaartor 0.17, the imagery can be moved by
 pressing down the spacebar then dragging. I don't know how to do this
 in JOSM but it also has a way to move the background image.

 Brilliant. I didn't know you could do this in Potlatch. Had a quick look 
 around JOSM and it doesn't immediately seem possible.

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Re: [talk-ph] Be careful in tracing from Bing Maps

2011-01-05 Thread Rally de Leon

JOSM Version 3767 (on Windows) looks like this:
http://s232.photobucket.com/albums/ee315/ralleon888/?action=viewcurrent=JOSMVersion3767ImageryOffset.jpg

No need for extra plug-in (it's built-in):
http://s232.photobucket.com/albums/ee315/ralleon888/?action=viewcurrent=JOSMImageryOffsetPreference.jpg


On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote:

 Rally de Leon wrote, On Thursday, 06 January, 2011 12:04 PM:
  the one i'm using on windows: JOSM (version 3767)
 
  While Bing Imagery  GPS traces are shown on the JOSM's background:
  click on menu: Imagery -- New offset

 Don't seem to have that menu anywhere. I'm using the latest JOSM on Linux.
 Maybe the menu item is added with one of your plugins? What plugins are you
 running?

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Re: [talk-ph] RA 10067 Tubbataha Reefs National Park (TRNP) Act of 2009 has coordinates of the park's boundaries

2010-12-19 Thread Rally de Leon

The data (corner-points) given in said Republic Act were in Lat-Long format.
My converter is insisting that I specify PRS92 in Northing  Easting
values (as well as which Philippine-Zone).

How were you able to convert prs92 (Lat Long) to WGS84?


On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 7:13 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 The main reef area is there:
 http://osm.org/go/4n...@q--

 It is unrendered in the main mapnik layer, click the Data in the
 overlays to view the data.

 The main reef was tagged as subsea = coral_reef, as March 2009, there
 wasn't any agreed tag for subsea areas.  Any suggestion to update the
 tag and consequently shown in the renderers?

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/31974939

 A boundary of the park would be nice as well.


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 Here's a PDF link of the scanned copy of the law from the Senate
 website: http://www.senate.gov.ph/republic_acts/ra%2010067.pdf

 It contains coordinates of the park's boundaries in PRS92 datum:

 Pt 1  9°04'52  119°46'10
 Pt 2  9°06'05  119°48'22
 Pt 3  8°58'09  120°03'12
 Pt 4  8°53'29  120°03'30
 Pt 5  8°41'33  119°50'41
 Pt 6  8°43'09  119°45'46

 As well as a 10 nm buffer zone:

 Pt 1  9°17'49  119°47'42
 Pt 2  9°04'48  120°12'40
 Pt 3  8°49'42  120°13'54
 Pt 4  8°29'42  119°53'04
 Pt 5  8°36'13  119°35'22
 Pt 6  9°11'08  119°36'35

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Re: [talk-ph] General strategy to using bing imagery in areas with no active OSMer (was Re: Microsoft Bing Maps Imagerty [sic] Terms of Use)

2010-12-07 Thread Rally de Leon

Ed,
It took me nearly a week of (re)downloading josm-latest.jar before I
saw in JOSM's
Preferences-SlippyMapTile SourcesBing Aerial Maps

btw, i'm using it on windows. The maning's simple instruction of
simply downloading josm-latest.jar did not work for me earlier. I had
uninstalled the josm windows installer,  installed the plain
josm-latest.jar... didn't work.

In one of the desperate moves, i even deleted the Application Data on
C:\Documents and Settings\rally\Application Data\JOSM
didn't work at first.

but then, after downloading the latest version again, I finally saw
Bing on JOSM version 3695, and I'm still clueless what happened and
how I did it. :-)

I still have to figure out how to zoom in way down to a closer look of
street level in josm. Bing imagery tend to disappear below 80meter
zoom level. (i don't mind seeing pixelized image as long as I can see
the silhouette of street)

rally


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 Hello Anthony,

 I successfully added the Imagery plugin and it seems to work (I can see
 Imagery item on the main menu)   But, I may be missing a step here... I
 could not see the Bing Sat option from the Imagery menu items on the main
 menu.  All I can see are the Landsat / Landsat (mirror) / Yahoo Sat /
 Rectified Image / Blank Layer.  How to I add Bing to the options?

 thanks
 ed

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 wrote:

 Hi Noli,

 You may want to fire up a bit your josm using this little tweak
         java -Xmx512m -jar josm-latest.jar

 I installed the imagery plugin instead, and its working great you may
 give it a try (a josm restart is necessary after installing a new
 plugin).

 After that, just simply download map from osm (3rd from left on the menu
 icons), box your area of interest (not so large otherwise you get an
 error).  By default it will download only osm data but i suggest you
 tick the raw gps data to pull the gps data from the db as well.  After
 both were download, click Imagery from the main menu then choose Bing
 Sat.  Now you're good to go :)


 Anthony

 On Sat, 2010-12-04 at 22:42 +1100, Noli Sicad wrote:
  How do I start traces Bing Maps Imagerty (e.g. Iligan) using JOSM.
 
  Steps
  1. Download the latest josm-latest.jar
  2. In terminal (linux)
       java -jar josm-latest.jar
  3. Install wmsplugin (for Bing Maps)
 
  What is next to do?
 
  4.File - New New Layer?
  5.
  6.
  7,
 
  Any short tutorial?
 
  I watched the JOSM videos by Steve Coast. It seems not applicable to
  tracing maps.
 
  Thanks.
 
  Noli
 
 
 
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   I'm posting this to generate insights on how we should maximize and
   accelerate data contributions in bing covered areas.
  
   At the moment there are a lot of bing imagery with minimal active
   ph-osmer (perhaps main reason is the lack of imagery).  I am
   predicting that this will change very soon when other people start to
   see that their area of interest has his-res imagery available.  As a
   community, how do we approach the info dissemination so that people
   become aware that there is imagery already in X town?
  
   Some suggestions:
   1. Lets create a coverage list and add them here:
  
   http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/hires_imagery
   . Do we have complete coverage sweep:
   http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing/Coverage#Philippines ?
 
   2. Check nearby editors covered by bing and remind them that imagery
   is now available (via OSM messaging).
  
   3.  Seed the area by tracing roads (temporarily tagged as
   highway=road).
  
   Adding stub roads can give an impression of completeness.  Hence, it
   can be counter-productive.  Personally, I have reservations on point 3
   (but lack the patience to wait for a passionate contributor in X
   town) :) .
  
   On the long term, the main strategy would be to encourage local osm
   groups within these imagery covered areas.
  
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[talk-ph] Christmas lanes’ to ease holiday tra ffic

2010-12-03 Thread Rally de Leon

‘Christmas lanes’ to ease holiday traffic / MMDA to utilize side
streets as alternate routes‘

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/metro/view/20101203-306898/Christmas-lanes-to-ease-holiday-traffic

---

I hate 'reading' instructions while on a stopgo driving (trying to
find my way out of a traffic gridlock); or trying to punch-in data on
the tiny keyboard on my gpsr, in search for an auto-routing
destination (while already in motion).

Before I lose this article, I think i'll get a highlighter-pen and
just draw over the above suggested routes on my favorite paper
city-map. Coz my brain keeps on forgetting the 'alternates';
unconsciously going into an auto-pilot-mode, always driving towards my
favorite 'longer  slower' roads like a magnet. And before I know it,
I'm stuck in traffic again.

The highlighted compilation of 'short-cut roads' all over the
metropolis may serve as visual reminder from time to time, and may
come in handy even after Christmas is over :-)

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Re: [talk-ph] October skillshare and OSM Org meeting (was Re: OpenStreetMap Philippines Inc.)

2010-10-19 Thread Rally de Leon

24 is a Sunday

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote:

 Is everyone OK with October 24, Saturday, somewhere in Ortigas (para
 malapit-lapit naman sa amin ni Andre :-)



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Re: [talk-ph] October skillshare and OSM Org meeting (was Re: OpenStreetMap Philippines Inc.)

2010-10-19 Thread Rally de Leon

ok :-)

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote:

 Sorry, October 23 dapat. :-P

 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com wrote:
  24 is a Sunday
 
  On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
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  Is everyone OK with October 24, Saturday, somewhere in Ortigas (para
  malapit-lapit naman sa amin ni Andre :-)
 
 
 
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Re: [talk-ph] Proposal: Intramuros Mapping Party

2010-10-09 Thread Rally de Leon

sige sige. we need walking papers (paper  pen) for this mapping.

On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi guys,

 For the 4th quarter OSM Mapping Party, I propose we tackle Intramuros,
 Rizal Park and adjacent areas. http://osm.org/go/4zhFffkR The basic
 data is already there but we could add more details, buildings, POIs,
 and improve/confirm the routing near the Post Office.

 Let's also make this a small Christmas Party for the Philippine OSM
 community. Heck, maybe we can even get Carlos Celdran to help us out.
 What do you guys think? :-)

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Re: [talk-ph] Laurel - Tagaytay Road that pass through disneyland Fwd: talk-ph post from banito_pi...@yahoo.com requires approval

2010-10-01 Thread Rally de Leon

2 years ago, my cousins got lost coming from Laurel going up to Tagaytay
ridge via these roads (they became narrower as they went up the mountain,
enough to fit one car only). So, I don't recommend any of the barangay roads
mentioned going down to Laurel via tagaytay ridge. It's rainy season.
Someone needs to verify first if they're slippery or 'tracks only' (4x4
trail).

The safer road to use is the one with disney-like castle, which is Diokno
Highway (green-color southwards).
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.0415573120117lon=120.857334136963zoom=13

Driving Directions:
Coming from Tagaytay, along Tagaytay-Nasugbu Road, turn left to Diokno Hwy
at the intersection just before reaching Nasugbu boundary. This road will
pass by Canyon Woods gate  Fantasy World (castles). At the end of Diokno
Highway, turn left to the provincial road going to Lemery.


On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 3:11 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote:

 Bunny,

 We don't allow attachment in the talk-ph list.  Best to link images on
 another image repo.  Or if you are showing osm maps, simply give the
 url to the osm map.
 For bunny's inquiry, the link to the map is here:
 http://osm.org/go/4zKqgcHm-

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Leonard Soriano banito_pi...@yahoo.com
 To: OpenStreetMap Philippines talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 02:37:42 -0700 (PDT)

 Hi All,

 Anyone familiar which road from Laurel to Tagaytay (vice-versa) that
 pass through  some kind of disneyland castle along the road. Attach
 is the map which shows 3 roads that links laurel-tagaytay. In this
 map, is it the road on the Left, Middle or Right? Thanks.

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Re: [talk-ph] Historical meakers (post cavite mmapping)

2010-09-12 Thread Rally de Leon

Maning,
We found 4 in Maragondon, but 1 location where bonifacio was
courtmartialed contains 2 markers (english  filipino version). I'll send
you the pix later.

On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 12:15 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
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 Dear all,

 Ambeth Ocampo requested photos for the historical markers we mapped
 last weekend (green team found 2).

 http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ambeth-R-Ocampo/47261762634?v=wallstory_fbid=426193237634

 I am thinking we create some custom map for the NHI markers with
 pictures and descriptions.  Then, continue adding more data as we
 encounter them in the future.  A good micro project to help NHI and
 promote historical awareness through maps.

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Re: [talk-ph] Bacolod.

2010-09-09 Thread Rally de Leon

Here is a suggested compromise. Why don't we replace all the road names of
unverified or suspected traces over there with FIXME's. (that way, they
becomes temporary 'reference data' only)

Then we send gpstogo(plus paper map) and my old garmin 76 gps to Bacolod,
and make a game out of this situation. Bacolod volunteers will hunt down 
RIDE/BIKE OVER all 'FIXME roads'  COLLECT additional POI's  streetnames
along the way. Then we teach them how to upload traces (or just email back
raw data for processing by more experienced osm users).

We'll just make customized Bacolod gps map (for download), small enough to
load even on older map-capable garmins like gpsmap76. I'll lend my extra
bike mount (for use by bacolod mappers)... but they must return it back  :-)

If we can only replicate (similar) osm teams/groups in Bacolod and other key
cities which meet and arrange EB's only regular basis to exchange ideas
(like what we do in Metro Manila), then we will be able to cover the entire
philippines much faster (the osm way).


On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 12:09 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 This is painful, but ultimately, we have to decide on this as a community.

 On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote:
  That's a shame. Maybe we should lend them a GPS2go unit?
 
  Jim
 
  Axel Kollmorgen wrote, On Thursday, 09 September, 2010 01:16 AM:
  i'm afraid most of the bacolod edits are still illegit. i did a short
  analysis (of
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=10.676lon=122.952zoom=12) in josm:
 
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Re: [talk-ph] charitable institutions?

2010-09-01 Thread Rally de Leon

maybe these private orgs / foundations / charities can be temporarily
classified all under NGO classification (or a more general term).

not all foundations / NGO's are charitable. Maybe, charity should just be
a sub-category of  foundation or NGO(?)

Charitable institutions are most likely a foundation or non-profit org, but
not necessarily an NGO (like PCSO). PAGCOR also gives a lot to charity :-)


On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:16 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote:

 Probably amenity=charity?
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/charity

 But there are no concensus in the succeeding discussions:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/charity

 I suggest you add them for now and a building=yes tag.

 i.e.
 amenity=charity
 name=Kamanggagawa Foundation
 building=yes

 On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:05 PM, tutubi
 tut...@backpackingphilippines.com wrote:
  how do you tag charitable institutions like orphanages and transient
 homes?
  I know a few but have yet to add them e.g. Kamanggagawa Foundation on
  EDSA at the entrance gate of Philam Homes, QC
 
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Re: [talk-ph] request for testing 10m contour for garmin (was Re: Groundtruth.)

2010-07-30 Thread Rally de Leon

Groundtruth (contour) runs on my mapsource. I initially loaded 6 tiles
(from east to west -- Quezon sierra madre, Rizal to Batangas, NCR to
Bataan) on my 76CSx, together with the latest osmph_garmin. They show
on top of each other (transparent). Didn't crash on my garmin.

However, with the low-res screen of 76CSx (Details set to Normal), the
contours on the mountain portion is only usable (readable) at
zoomscale 2km  below. At 3km above, the 100m contour lines tends to
clutter the mountainous portion of the map (fortunately there aren't
many roads  POI's there).

Redraw speed was ok. I didn't notice any problem (on normal
street-level zoom), but I'm doing only around 30kmh, coz i'm also
collecting tracks at that time. But on 'over zoom mode' (12-20meters
scale), redraw speed slows down a bit, but still acceptable (while
driving); Although this will not be an issue at walking-pace of
mountain-hiking gps users. I don't know what will happen if I load the
entire groundtruth map (around 180mb) together with osmphgarmin map.
let's see later if my unit will crash :-)

Accuracy Test:
76CSx with External Antenna on top of car (roughly 1-1/2 meter above ground)
GPS signal availability  strength was very good (EPE alternating
between 2 to 4 meters)
On initial test on Antipolo Hills this morning (an area above
120meters elevation), I parked my car exactly on top of a few
10m-contour lines that I crossed along the road, and compared their
Elevations with the readings of Barometric Sensor Elevation of 76CSx.
Not bad !!! (there's only 3-5 meters difference, sometimes exactly the
same like on the 10meter contour lines).

Well, considering other factors like height/location of antenna on top
of my car  low EPE of gps, initial test says we can possibly navigate
in zero-visibility mountain area (using STRM 10meter contour data)
with lesser chance of falling of a cliff.

I wish other people can test this (STRM data) map on other higher
areas to verify my findings (if high-accuracy is same on other
places).



On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 8:31 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Anyone interested to test this?

 10m contour interval for Garmin devices.  Download the link below (~200 MB):
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/607635/osm-ph_gps_maps/10mcontour_ph_winmapsource_latest.exe

 The contour were generated from SRTM data using Groundtruth.  The data
 was divided into 0.75 grid tile.

 Beware: Loading the full Philippine map crashed my device!  Please
 test if this works for your own device.
 I am interested in the following scenarios:
 1.  If you only add a limited number of contour tiles, does it crash your 
 unit?
 2.  If you add only the contour and not the osm-ph map, does it crash as well?
 3. At what zoom level does it crash (watch the map scale)?

 Enjoy!



 On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:41 AM, maning sambale
 emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Last time I checked, groudtruth uses the cgpsmapper to compile garmin
 maps.  The free cgpsmapper has a lot of limitations (i.e. limited
 routing), unless you but the pro version.  However, I used groundtruth
 to generate contour maps based on SRTM.  I intend to provide free
 download soon.  If anyone wants them for testing, let me know.  My
 unit crashed when I loaded the whole country's 10m elevation contour!

 On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 12:47 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Here's the original blog post (Dec. '08) by Ground Truth's creator about the
 difference between his tool and the popular mkgmap tool, which maning uses
 to create the OSM-PH Garmin maps.

 http://igorbrejc.net/openstreetmap/groundtruth-a-new-garmin-mapmaking-tool

 Take note that the post is back in 2008. Things probably changed a lot since
 then.


 On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote:

 Just found this tool for making Garmin images from OSM data

        GroundTruth v1.0.0.0 by Igor Brejc
        Generates Garmin maps from OpenStreetMap data
        Visit http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GroundTruth for more info

 Also a helpful step-by-step guide.

        http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GroundTruth_For_Dummies

 I don't have a Garmin. But I thought it might be useful. Looks quite
 customisable as well. You can make eg a hiking map using a different set of
 rules.

        groundtruth makemap
 -rules=http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GroundTruth_Hiking_Map;

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Re: [talk-ph] Classification of the NLEx Tabang Spur Road

2010-07-23 Thread Rally de Leon

Clark Spur Road (CSR)  Tabang Spur Road (TSR) can be seen on mapquest
at mapscale 3200meters  below, but both (and all motorwaylinks) start
to disappear from the mapquest at scale 7000meters  up.

I'm the one who converted TSR to motorwaylink (since it connects NLEX
to AH26), with the idea that we can make it appear on GPS maps to have
a better 'transition color' from motorway-to-trunk, or
motorway-to-primary, rather than from 'motorway color' directly (and
abruptly) to 'trunk or primary color', since some of them are
connected directly 'in-line'.

For uniformity, I just patterned TSR tag similar to existing CSR
'motorway_link' tag (which connects NLEX to AH26 to SCTEX); 'coz as
the name suggests, it links :-) But the problem in both cases, is
that they are 'too long' to be noticed as 'missing' or disconnected
when you zoom out, unlike ordinary ramps.

Motorway Link is used on osmph mainly as tag for 'shorter' for
fast/slow exit roads (which have driving speeds between 30-60kmh
depending on the width/length).

In comparison to Garmin map (besides Motorway, Trunk  Primary Roads),
they assigned separate 'hexcodes' for 'Low-Speed Ramp (exit road)',
'High-Speed Ramp (exit road)'  'Major Highway Connector'; so it's
easy to manipulate the speed, how  when each will render on the map.

In the absence of differentiating tags in osmph, Spur road, Highway
Connectors  Ramps are tagged similarly as 'motorway_link', thus
creating this problem.

My impression of a 'Major Highway Connector' on Garmin maps: refers to
these long spur roads (ground level, tunnel or bridge), or even those
'long unclassified flyovers' like the one that connects Global city to
Buendia. It passes over Kalayaan Ave  EDSA, yet this connector
road/bridge is not considered part or portion of 32nd St, Kalayaan Ave
or EDSA or Buendia. Its sole purpose is just to 'link' (major roads)
like 32nd St  Buendia.

Should we convert all long 'motorway_links' like Spur Roads to
'motorways' (or primary roads depending on location), since they
function like a motorway (like limited exits, high-speed), if so what
is the minimum 'road length' to differentiate from motorway_links?

Or we leave them as it is, until a new osm classification is made for
'spur road / major highway connector'?

Or we just ask mapquest to make motorwaylinks appear up to 7000meter scale :-)


On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 1:20 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi guys,

 I noticed that MapQuest doesn't render NLEx's Tabang Spur Road in lower zoom
 levels[1] and this is apparently because it is tagged as
 highway=motorway_link.

 Is this the correct classification? I think the whole spur road should still
 be highway=motorway and the entry/exit ramps are the ones that should be
 highway=motorway_link. What do you think?

 [1] http://open.mapquest.co.uk/mq/9-9Gv6VZ29f2D8ToOQ6o1u


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[talk-ph] Toll Plaza

2010-04-26 Thread Rally de Leon

for that  widened portion of the roadway forming the approach to
tollbooths on an expressway like the one described on:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/plaza

and seen on NLEX  Coastal Road (expressway)

Which is the proper tag for these polygons?
highway=toll_plaza
landuse=toll_plaza

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Re: [talk-ph] road conversion from primary to trunk (warning: long email)

2010-04-12 Thread Rally de Leon

it's possible that it can improve, or may in fact worsen the routing
computation (as far as time of estimated arrival of arrival is
concerned) , depending on the speed assignment of trunk (or primary).

if all trunk within the philippines have the same speed assignment,
then routing will definitely worsen. Doesn't make a difference whether
it's a Primary Road. Primary can go as slow as 25kmh (on the average
at daytime in many poblacion), but can safely be assigned 80-100kph in
rural areas. IMHO, trunk or primary assignment of a road will not
matter that much as far as routing is concerned, unless we find a
practical way to assign different general speed levels if trunk or
primary enters a poblacion, or if it runs on medium-speed open road,
or highway speed.

example: Pan-Philippine Highway (also known as Marcos Highway,
internationally known as AH26). If this connects many regions from
Luzon to Mindanao, then I think it is safe to say that the entire
AH26 (including all segments) can be safely defined as trunk in OSM
(so that when you zoom out the map in most navigation maps, you will
see that the philippines is connected north-to-south), because trunk
is generally the last to disappear from the navigation map .

By careful observation: the same AH26 trunk road road passes MacArthur
bridge in Manila, then through the narrow crawling speed of Carriedo
Street, and run along the slow-paced Rizal Avenue, all the way to
Monumento, where it follows MacArthur Highway (ranging from slow to
fast speed), then turns to Dona Remedios Highway passing numerous
rural highways all the way to the upper tip of Luzon.

Clearly in the Philippines, 'trunk road' cannot be defined by basis of
width or speed or quality of road. (it all depends on the budget 
time of project completion).

my simple impression of a trunk road, is the 'road of choice' when you
want to get from one region to another when you are looking at a
general map. it acts as a corridor. My opinion maybe biased: Trunk
defines the shape of a region, if not the whole philippines
(road-wise), but it makes sense to me that my definition is different
in rural settings and in urban area.

Rural: trunk road (as i earlier stated, (is a major/primary road) that
normally crosses the provincial boundary) - of course a little common
sense is required.  :-)

Urban: trunk road may be composed of a system of connected roads
(described in one wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_roads_in_Metro_Manila ). Some may
already be considered major roads, some still being negotiated for
right-of-way by the government. It was previously assigned either
Radial Roads or Circumferential Roads (or sometimes called beltways).

Example: by assigning a common highway code C-5 to Tandang Sora,
Katipunan, E Rodriguez Jr,  and the rest of CP Garcia Ave, they become
treated as one road known as C-5 (at least to locals). Although right
now, it is slowly turning to a freeway (by defition: fewer exits,
U-turns and Stop lights). C-5 does not connect regions, but it
connects a lot of major cities (but it is a trunk). Same case with C-4
(EDSA).

If the description on wiki is correct, the Radial Roads 9 (which also
passes Maharlika Highway AH26), coming from the heart of Manila, goes
all the way to La Union via MacArthur Highway (roughly 214km).

R-6 which starts from R.Magsaysay, connects to Aurora Blvd, connects
to Marcos Highway (Marikina Infanta Road). R-6 connects Manila (NCR),
to Rizal, to Laguna, then to Quezon Province (roughly 125km). We don't
treat our trunks on per specific road name basis, but per 'system of
road' basis. R-1 R-2 R-3 C3- C-4 C-5 although not fully finished are
sort of system.

there's a zoomed-out image at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_roads_in_Metro_Manila

if you looked at all the major roads defined (by whoever wrote that
wiki) gives meaningful information. it's both functional and
beautiful. :-) it says that how NCR is connected, and how it's
connected to other regions, to the north, to the south and to the
east.

if we tag road by function only, it will look ugly (lots of
disconnected roads) ;-)

I'm one of those pushing for tagging of trunk of some previously
defined primary roads, it is not without basis, it's just that the
definition of trunk is really loose. (let's use the said wiki for a
start + combined with common sense, since some of them are not yet
finished)

Going back to the connected provincial roads of Pan-Philippine
Highway (AH26) (with numerous 'local names' along it's length). We
cannot be selective with AH26 in treating it as a trunk in it's
entirety (same with the gloria project Nautical Highway), regardless
of speed, width or road condition. They are all major government
projects.

The more we inform the public (thru map making) the existence of these
long-term road projects, the more funding it gets, the faster they
finish. We can just tag that the particular section is under
construction, or still unpaved, or whatever :-)

As far as routing

Re: [talk-ph] road conversion from primary to trunk

2010-04-11 Thread Rally de Leon

trunk road (by observation in philippine examples) is normally a very
long 'road system' and they generally crosses provincial/regional
boundary (carrying a common name or road code along the entire
length).

but i agree that there are some exceptions: Quezon Ave  Commonwealth
ranks 2nd the the heaviest number of vehicle traffic in ph (per MMDA)
and unquestionably functions like a trunk (even if they are both
located within the same city), and their traffic connects to Espana
going to the heart of Manila; then Espana must be also be a trunk. (it
feeds 2 main roads: Quezon Ave  E. Rodriquez Ave @ Mabuhay Rotonda).

+1 vote Espana  Quezon Ave as trunk

On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:
 I personally think that trunk roads are generally long-distance roads meant
 to drive traffic across a metropolis or across the countryside.

 While traffic volume is a very good indicator, it's not always guaranteed.

 That said, I was actually thinking of upgrading Espana-Quezon Avenue to
 trunk. :-)

 What do other people think?


 On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com wrote:

 Basing on loose definition/s of trunk roads in the philippines, can
 the roads below (Top 10 Most Heavily Traveled Corridor in MM) be all
 converted to trunk roads? (some are already trunk roads)
 - very high volume of traffic (carrying the combined volumes of
 primary  secondary roads connected to it)
 -if it functions like a corridor.
 - a 'road system' that connects 2 or multiple provinces (crosses
 provincial boundaries) eg. Maharlika Highway (AH26), Marcos Highway
 (112km),  Halsema Highway (180km), Manila East Road upto Laguna
 (80km), MacArthur Highway (Monumento to La Union, Gapan-Olongapo Road,
 StaRosa(Laguna) to Tagaytay(Cavite)
 TagaytayCity(Cavite)-Nasugbu(Batangas), etc.) There must be a lot like
 these in Mindanao,



 http://engineer-einjel.blogspot.com/search/label/TOP%2010%20MOST%20TRAVELED%20ROAD

 Top 10 Most Heavily Traveled Corridor in MM
 Annual Average Daily Traffic or AADT is estimated as the total volume
 counted over one year divided by the number of days in the year.

 Traffic Engineering Center of the Metro Manila Development Authority
 (MMDA) conducts a yearly volume count (AADT) for the major
 thoroughfares in Metro Manila. The latest data as of March 2010 is
 that of year 2008 study. The TOP 10 MOST HEAVILY TRAVELED CORRIDOR
 are:

 1) EDSA (C-4)
 2) Quezon Ave. / Commonwealth - (serves as the trunk road of Quezon City )
 3) Katipunan (C-5)
 4) SSH (R-3)
 5) Roxas Blvd. (R-1)
 6) Marcos Highway (also known as Marikina-Infanta Road - connects
 NCR-Rizal-Laguna-Quezon)
 7) Magsaysay Blvd. / Aurora Blvd.
 8) A. H. Lacson / Pres. Quirino (C-2)
 9) Ortigas Ave. (connects Rizal Province to NCR)
 10) Araneta Ave. (C-3)

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[talk-ph] road conversion from primary to trunk

2010-04-10 Thread Rally de Leon

Basing on loose definition/s of trunk roads in the philippines, can
the roads below (Top 10 Most Heavily Traveled Corridor in MM) be all
converted to trunk roads? (some are already trunk roads)
- very high volume of traffic (carrying the combined volumes of
primary  secondary roads connected to it)
-if it functions like a corridor.
- a 'road system' that connects 2 or multiple provinces (crosses
provincial boundaries) eg. Maharlika Highway (AH26), Marcos Highway
(112km),  Halsema Highway (180km), Manila East Road upto Laguna
(80km), MacArthur Highway (Monumento to La Union, Gapan-Olongapo Road,
StaRosa(Laguna) to Tagaytay(Cavite)
TagaytayCity(Cavite)-Nasugbu(Batangas), etc.) There must be a lot like
these in Mindanao,


http://engineer-einjel.blogspot.com/search/label/TOP%2010%20MOST%20TRAVELED%20ROAD

Top 10 Most Heavily Traveled Corridor in MM
Annual Average Daily Traffic or AADT is estimated as the total volume
counted over one year divided by the number of days in the year.

Traffic Engineering Center of the Metro Manila Development Authority
(MMDA) conducts a yearly volume count (AADT) for the major
thoroughfares in Metro Manila. The latest data as of March 2010 is
that of year 2008 study. The TOP 10 MOST HEAVILY TRAVELED CORRIDOR
are:

1) EDSA (C-4)
2) Quezon Ave. / Commonwealth - (serves as the trunk road of Quezon City )
3) Katipunan (C-5)
4) SSH (R-3)
5) Roxas Blvd. (R-1)
6) Marcos Highway (also known as Marikina-Infanta Road - connects
NCR-Rizal-Laguna-Quezon)
7) Magsaysay Blvd. / Aurora Blvd.
8) A. H. Lacson / Pres. Quirino (C-2)
9) Ortigas Ave. (connects Rizal Province to NCR)
10) Araneta Ave. (C-3)

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Re: [talk-ph] advise on tagging barangay health centers

2010-03-15 Thread Rally de Leon

+1 for amenity=clinic
+1 for clinic=public

what about the local hilot or manghihilot - the local/rural version
chiropractors? (concentrated on sprains and twisted muscles, even spine
alignments, who can locate aching body parts by holding the wrist or the
ankle); 'pinupulsuhan' in tagalog (actually measuring the flow of energy);
and i've seen korean alternative-medicine doctors on tv doing exactly the
same (practicing mix eastern-western medicine + tuina therapy). what i'm
trying to point out is that this is not a just local thing, koreans and
chinese have there own versions, and they are not quack doctors, yet they
bring relief to the community for free or sometimes charge a fee less than
cost of mcdo value meal.

although the term 'hilot' also refers to unlicensed midwives (and nope i
don't want to promote them on the map)

they belong to the alternative medicines/treatments, but also under health
(but no doctors, not govt regulated) but can bring relief to special cases.
amenity=clinic
alternative medicine???

what about those chinese herbal stores in binondo and in the malls?

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 9:45 PM, ianlopez ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.com wrote:

 +1 for amenity=clinic

 @eric: i didn't know the consequences of not distinguishing health
 centers from barangay outposts until now. thanks.


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 From: Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [talk-ph] advise on tagging barangay health centers
 To: eric pareja eric.par...@gmail.com
 Cc: ianlopez ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.com, OSM-PH 
 talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
 Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 9:31 PM


 How about amenity=clinic?

 On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 9:26 PM, eric pareja 
 eric.par...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=eric.par...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 hi ian, maning,

 tagging health centers as public building or doctor's clinic would
 probably be correct in keeping with generic tagging, but it would be more
 useful if they are tagged specifically as health centers. i've been
 convincing my boss at the national telehealth center, UP Manila, to use
 openstreetmap.org and this would be a good use case for us.

 ian, if both health centers and police outposts are tagged as public
 buildings, how do we differentiate them? there's value in distinguishing the
 health centers as such, and we'd like to be able to work with that data to
 help direct patients to the nearest one.


 On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 8:00 PM, ianlopez 
 ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.comhttp://mc/compose?to=ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.com
  wrote:

  Health centers should be tagged, either as a public building or as a
 doctor's clinic. Boticas owned/operated by barangay can be tagged as a
 pharmacy. Barangay police outposts can be tagged either as a public building
 or as a police station.

 (Just a question: Is it OK to add Comelec/PNP Gun Ban checkpoints? We
 could be accused of encouraging some people to evade checkpoints and allow
 some of them to pack some heat and add more bodies to the count - see
 http://mashable.com/2009/12/31/drunken-drivers-evade-the-cops-with-twitter/and
 http://mashable.com/2010/02/03/los-twitteros/ )

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 * wrote:


 From: maning sambale 
 emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
 
 Subject: [talk-ph] advise on tagging barangay health centers
 To: osm-ph 
 talk-ph@openstreetmap.orghttp://mc/compose?to=talk...@openstreetmap.org
 
 Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 7:05 PM


 I discovered during my barangay hall visits that each barangay in
 Marikina has a separate health center, botika (pharmacy) and police
 precincts, usually located within the barangay hall complex but
 separate from other barangay amenities. Nice.
 Question: What tag for barangay health centers?  Which is not really a
 hospital or doctor/s.

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[talk-ph] Who is Epifanio de los Santos and why is the EDSA highway named after him?

2010-02-26 Thread Rally de Leon

answer taken from:
http://ph.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100221212635AAPihdU


Highway 54 -former name of the Epifanio delos Santos Avenue(EDSA).
Stretching some 54 kilometers, Highway 54 serves as a lifeline for hundreds
of thousands of Filipinos passing or doing business in Metro Manila].

It formed a major part of the circumferential roads in Metro Manila. From
the south, it passes through five cities Pasay, Makati, Mandaluyong, Quezon
City, and Caloocan. Its southern endpoint is at the rotunda near the SM Mall
of Asia in Pasay City while its northern point is at Monumento in Caloocan
City near the Andres Bonifacio monument.

When the avenue was constructed in 1940 by engineers led by Florencio Moreno
and Osmundo L. Monsod, it was first named as North and South Circumferential
Road. But at the end of World War II, the American occupiers changed the
name to Highway 54.

Epifanio delos Santos, also known as Don Panyong was a lawyer, journalist,
historian, philosopher, bibliophile, biographer, painter, poet, musician,
literary critic, antique collector, and librarian. He was born April 7, 1871
in Malabon, Rizal province. He was a member of the Malolos Congress, and
served as fiscal of Nueva Ecija.

At the time of his death on April 18, 1928 at the age 57, he was the
director of the National Library and National Museum. His assistant then,
the late Senate President Eulogio Rodriguez, was a prime mover in renaming
Highway 54 to EDSA, but he died before his dream was realized.

It was Juan Francisco Sumulong, a lawmaker from Rizal province and a
classmate from his law school days at the University of Santo Tomas, who
continued the campaign. There are praiseworthy sons of the province. Why
are we always borrowing from the honor of others? Sumulong asked.

In between name changes, the Americans wanted it called (Gen Douglas)
McArthur Highway, supporters of the late President Ramon Magsaysay wanted it
named after him, while loyalists of Rizal fought for 19 de Junio, the
national hero's birthday.

EDSA won, supported by a number of associations including the Philippines
Historical Committee, Philippines Historical Association, Philippines
Library Association, Association of University and College Professors,
Philippine China Cultural Association, and Philippine National Historical
Society.

But in 1959, by virtue of Republic Act 2140, the highway was renamed in
honor of Epifanio de los Santos, a famous statesman of the province of
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Re: [talk-ph] [waypointsdotph] Who is Epifanio de los Santos and why is the EDSA highway named after him?

2010-02-26 Thread Rally de Leon

If there was a Highway 54, there must be a Highway 53 55 somewhere. Saan
kaya yon? :-)

On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote:

Hmmm... the first two paragraphs sounds very familiar. They sound like the
paraphrased Wikipedia article on EDSA which I started in 2004:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Epifanio_de_los_Santos_Avenueoldid=2929627

Misconception: EDSA was never 54 kilometers in length. I made a mistake
there. :-P

On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 7:33 AM, Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com wrote:

answer taken from:
http://ph.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100221212635AAPihdU

Highway 54 -former name of the Epifanio delos Santos Avenue(EDSA).
Stretching some 54 kilometers, Highway 54 serves as a lifeline for hundreds
of thousands of Filipinos passing or doing business in Metro Manila].

It formed a major part of the circumferential roads in Metro Manila. From
the south, it passes through five cities Pasay, Makati, Mandaluyong, Quezon
City, and Caloocan. Its southern endpoint is at the rotunda near the SM Mall
of Asia in Pasay City while its northern point is at Monumento in Caloocan
City near the Andres Bonifacio monument.

When the avenue was constructed in 1940 by engineers led by Florencio
Moreno and Osmundo L. Monsod, it was first named as North and South
Circumferential Road. But at the end of World War II, the American occupiers
changed the name to Highway 54.

Epifanio delos Santos, also known as Don Panyong was a lawyer,
journalist, historian, philosopher, bibliophile, biographer, painter, poet,
musician, literary critic, antique collector, and librarian. He was born
April 7, 1871 in Malabon, Rizal province. He was a member of the Malolos
Congress, and served as fiscal of Nueva Ecija.

At the time of his death on April 18, 1928 at the age 57, he was the
director of the National Library and National Museum. His assistant then,
the late Senate President Eulogio Rodriguez, was a prime mover in renaming
Highway 54 to EDSA, but he died before his dream was realized.

It was Juan Francisco Sumulong, a lawmaker from Rizal province and a
classmate from his law school days at the University of Santo Tomas, who
continued the campaign. There are praiseworthy sons of the province. Why
are we always borrowing from the honor of others? Sumulong asked.

In between name changes, the Americans wanted it called (Gen Douglas)
McArthur Highway, supporters of the late President Ramon Magsaysay wanted it
named after him, while loyalists of Rizal fought for 19 de Junio, the
national hero's birthday.

EDSA won, supported by a number of associations including the Philippines
Historical Committee, Philippines Historical Association, Philippines
Library Association, Association of University and College Professors,
Philippine China Cultural Association, and Philippine National Historical
Society.

But in 1959, by virtue of Republic Act 2140, the highway was renamed in
honor of Epifanio de los Santos, a famous statesman of the province of
Rizal.

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Re: [talk-ph] gps traces from a delivery service company

2009-06-10 Thread Rally de Leon

Ok then, this may be good source of the (actual) average speed of vehicles
on a particular road (at specific times of day, eg. during rush hour, etc.).
This will give a more realistic ETA on gpsr autorouting.

As for averaging tracks, i think the roadguideph people (on motorbikes) have
been doing this already (jan v. knows his math). But i still don't like the
idea, since these bikers don't follow the speed limit and cross lanes too
often by cutting corners when they hit the zigzags at high speed. They won't
reflect the actual curves of the road. Well I guess, delivery vans (with
gps) can't go that fast, since they are always monitored by their boss. :-)

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 5:21 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo
 Ltd.r...@develo.ltd.uk wrote:
  do we have time stamps as well for the tracks that are submitted?

 Yes, osm does not accept gpx without timestamps (but you can always
 randomize timestamps)

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Re: [talk-ph] gps traces from a delivery service company

2009-06-09 Thread Rally de Leon

Great. Actually, we need the data for averaging tracks (and if you ask me, I
always prefer visual method for best-fit trace over existing satellite
images, if they're available). otherwise, we just trace over the tracklogs
which represent most likely the center-of-the-roads). Other mappers can name
the roads later.

I don't suggest uploading their entire gpx data to osm. We only need a few
quality tracks.

We can expect multiple tracklogs over the same roads on their delivery
routes, and I believe we have lots of talents here who can make sense out of
their chaotic random lines. Let's see how we go about the clean-up. :-) How
big are the files?



On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 4:13 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi,

 I just had a phone discussion from a delivey/forwarding company.  They
 own several delivery trucks equipped with GPS.  They are willing to
 donate GPS traces provided we give them GPS maps (which I do anyway).
 Focus areas includes Visayas.  Do you think this is a worthwhile data
 source?

 Of course we don't expect drivers to do the editing.  Any idea on how
 we should proceed?


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Re: [talk-ph] gps traces from a delivery service company

2009-06-09 Thread Rally de Leon

On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Marloue Pidor mur...@mail2engineer.comwrote:

  For data donations, do you have any written (by paper of email) consent
 from the donor? If we have one, why not add the data to OSM.

 murlwe


Maybe it depends on the data. If gps tracks will come from delivery vans and
they have (more or less) the same route everyday, we'll have lots of
redundant gpx tracks on osm (which may be very hard to look at). The group
needs to qualify them first before uploading.

I'm just not sure if these donors are aware of security issues. It is best
to keep their names (and nature of business) confidential. What if it's an
armored van carrying money (or container van delivering high-value
electronics)? we become automatic suspects if somebody rob/hijack the van.
Si maning ang unang ito-torture ng NBI/CIDG, hehe ;-)

But maybe, if it's the type like aluminum van that delivers appliances, then
that will be great since they don't have fix route.


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 To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [talk-ph] gps traces from a delivery service company
 
 Hi,
 
 I just had a phone discussion from a delivey/forwarding company. They
 own several delivery trucks equipped with GPS. They are willing to
 donate GPS traces provided we give them GPS maps (which I do anyway).
 Focus areas includes Visayas. Do you think this is a worthwhile data
 source?
 
 Of course we don't expect drivers to do the editing. Any idea on how
 we should proceed?
 
 
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Re: [talk-ph] Revisiting the admin_level values for boundary=administrative

2009-06-01 Thread Rally de Leon

what are the tags for sitio/purok and gated community (those unmapped
areas)? we don't have defined boundaries of most of them in our lists yet;
but they need to be tagged particularly those in the rural areas - for
searching purposes (of their general location to aid future mappers)

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:53 AM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote:

Made seav's proposal official ;)

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Mapping_conventions#Administrative_boundaries

Please expand the wiki especially on proper tagging of boundaries
(relations)

cheers,
maning

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
Added a your proposal in the mapping conventions page:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Mapping_conventions#Administrative_boundaries

I propose we replace the old scheme, once other people have
commented/raised their reactions.

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi maning,

Actually, I mentioned in my e-mail that I have specifically excluded
congressional districts[1] from the discussion since these do not
specify
administrative boundaries. Aside from the pork barrel, the
representatives
don't *administer* their territories. I think these should be tagged as
boundary=legislative/congressional and not as
boundary=administrative.[2]

I've done a bit more research since my initial e-mail and here is my
proposed values for admin_level:

2 - National border
3 - Regions
4 - Provinces
5 - Sangguniang Panlalawigan districts (if any)
6 - Cities/Municipalities
7 - Sangguniang Panlungsod/Bayan districts (if any)
8 - Other administrative districts[3] (if any)
9 - Zones (if any)
10 - Barangays
12 - Sitios/Puroks (if any, but only if boundaries are defined)

The Sangguniang Lalawigan/Lungsod/Bayan districts are mentioned in
Republic
Act No. 7887[4]. These districts basically apportion the members of the
LGU's Sanggunian. Since the Sanggunian is an administrative entity (it's
the
one that creates the local laws or ordinances), then it's proper that
their
districts also be given admin_levels.

These proposed values have the proviso that admin_level=3 is *not*
automatically an admin_level=4|5 due to the weird nature of Isabela City
and
the ARMM. (But, as long as all boundaries are grouped into relations,
then
there should be no problem with interpretations.)

Eugene / seav

-
[1] The proper legal term is legislative district.

[2] We can also have boundary=judicial (for the jurisdictions of the
Regional and Metropolitan trial courts) and boundary=police (like
Manila's
Western Police District). Also, Catholic archdioceses and dioceses,
anyone
(boundary=catholic)? :-)

[3] Examples of other non-Sanggunian districts:

A. Manila has 6 Sangguniang districts (I to VI) co-terminous with the
legislative districts and these are further subdivided into 17
geographical
districts: Tondo 1, Tondo 2, Sta. Cruz, Sampaloc, Sta. Mesa, Quiapo,
Binondo, San Miguel, San Nicolas, Port Area, Intramuros, Paco, Pandacan,
Ermita, Malate, Sta. Ana, and San Andres. These districts are further
subdivided into 100 zones. (Tondo 1 and Tondo 2 used to be one district,
while San Andres used to be part of Sta. Ana and Sta. Mesa used to be
part
of Sampaloc.)

B. Iloilo City has 6 districts: Arevalo, City Proper, Jaro, La Paz,
Mandurriao, and Molo. (Iloilo City has only 1 legislative district.)

C. Davao City has 3 Sangguniang districts (1 to 3) co-terminous with the
legislative districts and these are further subdivided into 11
administrative districts: Poblacion, Talomo, Agdao, Buhangin, Bunawan,
Paquibato, Baguio, Calinan, Marilog, Toril, and Tugbok.

D. Pasay City has 7 districts (1 to 7) subdivided into 20 zones. (Pasay
City
has only 1 legislative district.)

N.B. Quezon City districts like Cubao, Diliman, La Loma, San Francisco
del
Monte, Projects 2,3,4,5,6,7,8, etc. DO NOT have legally defined borders
so
they won't have a place in the admin_level scheme.

[4] http://www.chanrobles.com/republicacts/republicactno7887.html

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:08 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
wrote:

Eugene and all,

Are you proposing this scheme for admin_levels?

(first row is Eugene's proposal as I understand it)
2 -- 2 - National Border (this is a worldwide convention, so there
will
be no
3 -- 4 - Regions
4 -- 6 - Provinces
5 -- Districts?
6 -- 8 - Cities and municipalities
8 -- 9 - Barangays and Districts of Manila
10 -- Zones
12 -- all sitios/puroks can just simply be place=*)

The congressional district is very problematic in terms of level in
the hierarchy. Some congressional districts covers several
municipalities while others in my case, Marikina covers only
barangays.

Re: [talk-ph] Revisiting the admin_level values for boundary=administrative

2009-06-01 Thread Rally de Leon

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote:


 Looking at the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place

 Maybe place=hamlet (for rural puroks?) or place=suburb (for urban puroks?)?
 Then additionally tag with place:ph=purok|sitio.


I'm not just sure, but I was thinking the same after reading earlier :
http://www.answers.com/topic/hamlet
Hamlet seems to be the nearest equivalent of a sitio.

Maybe by adopting this tag for use on purok/sitio, we can have our own local
definition of hamlet for osm-ph use, like in other countries' local
definitions. Anyway, it's there in JOSM's preset tags, so maybe we don't
have a choice after all (for using this sub-zone sub-village tag). Let's see
how it goes.

I just don't know if these will clutter the map by tagging every purok we
can positively identify in the rural and urban areas. Unlike in some parts
of the globe, they are usually located far apart.

Urban puroks are only a couple of blocks away from each other (although
there is less need for tagging these (urban puroks) because streetnames are
already available for searching, without the need to know the purok names,
unlike in the province).



 As for gated communities, I usually just draw a landuse=residential around
 the subdivision. For example, see Tierra Nueva Village in Alabang:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/23379596

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Re: [talk-ph] 1st OpenStreetMap Philippines Mapping Party Success!

2009-05-17 Thread Rally de Leon

Maning,
Pringles is important, it somehow boost the signal (especially the Sour 
Cream flavor). hehehe. Piknik Shoesting Potatoes seems to have the same
effect (as long as it's ketchup flavoured). ;-)

BTW, we ate Nagaraya and and presto peanut cookies while mapping (together
with Neil and Rem). And I always carry a backup, Boy Bawang and Piknik
Potato chips. Masyado lang matipid kumain si Neil (busog pa raw sya), di
tuloy naubos ni Rem ang Nagaraya. :-D

Medyo nabuking dun sa video ng mapping. You'll notice the delay before we
started moving. Had initial problem detecting gps signal from USB antenna to
gpsproxy (cable problem). Once detected, we started moving and entered most
passable alleys, kahit one lane lang as long as passable, kahit private
roads. There's not that many roads in our assigned areas, mostly greens, and
farms. We were supposed to bring Rem's vintage US Army 4x4 wartime jeep,
complete with shovel, fire extinguisher, extra fuel  US flag, etc; machine
gun na lang ang kulang. Baka lang mabaril kami ng shotgun pag pumasok sa
private property, so I decided we use my car na lang.

We even had time for a long lunch break kwentuhan (with Rem and Neil) at a
Greek restaurant. You'll notice nag stop moving yung yellow dot sa Video
(with 1 hour to spare before 3pm), while others are moving, ang daya pala
namin, hehe. While other mappers skipped lunch, we were eating spaghetti by
the road side. Good eat.

But we were able to map practically all of the area, except for the back
portions of Olivares Plaza. Sayang talaga, we should have mapped that area,
since the 3pm meeting was pushed to 4pm. I thought baka ma-late kami.

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 9:22 AM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote:

 ed,

 Hiramin ko picture na to for my blog report.

 Just one question, is the pringles container part of the mapping rig
 (wifi antenna) or energy booster for the mappers? :)

 On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Ed Garcia eppgar...@gmail.com wrote:
  The earlier email did not get through as it had an attachment larger than
  40K.  So here is the same photo as a link ...
 
  http://edpgarcia.multiply.com/photos/album/50/project001-bataan#60
 
  This is just in case there were no pics of Rally's mapping rig, attached
  is a similar setup of the GPS-Laptop configuration which Rally and I had
  when we went mapping at Mariveles Bataan a few months ago.
 
  The hardware setup is basically a GPS with external antenna, Laptop
  running from an inverter and software is N-Route (by Garmin)
 
 
  On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 3:17 PM, maning sambale
  emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Did anybody got a picture of the GPS units we used?
 
  @ rem, can I get a copy of Rally's mobile mapping rig (laptop, gps,
  encoder, etc.)
 
 
 



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