[Talk-in] Geospatial data and Data Protection Bill

[Srikanth Lakshmanan]

Hello all,

I came across this article[1] on proposed Data Protection Authority
considering geospatial data under its ambit. If someone has more details,
please do share. While comments to Sri Krishna Committee is closed, there
is still some time before bill gets tabled and passed and it would be good
to have comments passed on, so one doesn't need to do another #SaveTheMap.

[1]
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/geospatial-data-too-may-be-regulated-by-data-protection-bill-officials/story-4XIW3ThVdWigwKfm1eqeLN.html

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Re: [Talk-in] How to get all missing street names for chennai?

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Thanks Aruna for the queries.

On 4 April 2017 at 15:56, Paul Norman  wrote:

>
> I'd stay away from translation. name:* tags are for names in different
> languages, not translations of names.


I do get the difference. Which is why, all the options (Wikidata, Google
translate, Yet to be built self learning Suggestion provider) are there as
suggestions. I firmly believe and have been only proven right when I am
seeing nodes of places I have never been to. Unlike mapping with
satellites, naming must ideally be done by person who has visited / has a
street sign board as reference. But for usable local maps, there is a need
to localize quickly and these assisted options could improve the pace.


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Re: [Talk-in] How to get all missing street names for chennai?

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Hi Shrini,


On 2 April 2017 at 21:41, Shrinivasan T  wrote:

> How can get them all?
>

Mapzen provides metro extracts[0] and I used xpath here to get list of
nodes without name:ta. Parsing extracted Chennai osm file (400 MB) consumes
lot of memory. Python experts, please feel free to optimize this code[1] in
better ways.  The list of nodes (I will come to ways, relations soon) is
available here[2].

Offlate, I am facing strange unicode issues with my script which used to
work, but will soon get it fixed. I am thinking of trying TensorFlow or
equivalent ML models to provide translation suggestions, aside from google
translate. Wikidata doesnt help when it comes to street level sadly.

[0] https://mapzen.com/data/metro-extracts/
[1] https://github.com/srikanthlogic/osm-ta/blob/master/MetroExtract2.py
[2]
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PJdMVuSHDQ9-11ewj2pT_CNqKMLUiqUurcfyHGgSfoE/edit?usp=sharing


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Re: [Talk-in] Use MapRoulette to improve OSM - India data

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On 15 March 2017 at 19:22, Naveen Francis  wrote:

> One more task
>   - Add wikidata tags for Indian Highways, it has been add for about 100
> primary highways.
>

Would it be easier to run through scripts to update the tags? Since these
are far more structured pieces of info to which just a key,value pair needs
to be added, would it be easier to use something like google sheets +
python which I have been using to upload manually verified translations?
The script[1] currently supports addition of k,v pair for name:ta to nodes
and ways, given a csv. Can be easily modified to add wikidata tags.
Thoughts?

[1]
https://github.com/srikanthlogic/osm-ta/blob/master/osm-csv-names-loader.py


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[Talk-in] GSoC Idea -- Openstreetmap Indic Localization helper tool

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Hi,

I wanted to suggest an idea to build a tool which could help in improving
the ease of localization of map data for openstreetmap. Currently, OSM
localisations are done manually by volunteer editors manually mostly. Some
editors have built custom tools to bulk upload localizations, but there is
no easy tool which could be easily used to localize manually / verify
machine-assisted localizations to improve the speed of localization in OSM
map data.

Nomino[1] is a tool available to perform localization, but the tool is
unmaintained, doesnt offer suggestions. With Wikidata and google translate
API's we can reasonably ensure correctness of automated translation if they
match, when they dont match, it still provides reasonably good suggestions,
which users can just pick. Since we are dealing with names of places,
copyright issues dont arise. A tool, like Nomino, with suggestions from
Wikidata, Google translate integrating with OSM APIs would be of great
utility in increasing the pace of localizations, while ensuring that such
localizations are manually verified by user and not purely machine
translated.

Let me know if this is acceptable GSoC idea, which students can work. I can
offer any help in improving this idea / project. Thanks.

[1] http://nomino.openstreetmap.fr/

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Re: [Talk-in] Automating OSM translation into Indic languages

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I have put the scripts and documented some steps here[1]. Let me know if
you have any issues in using them for different language.

The scripts need some cleanup / refinement to make it generic and a full
Google Sheets UI would help users from modifying the scripts manually.

Indic maps - Translation priority:
I think, we need to decide nodes / ways (State, city names, National
highways, Railway stations, Rivers etc) at India / state level that need to
have translations in all official languages of India / state and then
target translating them as a priority list, so that we have usable Indic
maps at India level. The same can be repeated at state level for languages
spoken in state for lower levels of data.

Notes about data :
Google Translate might sometimes be dependent on Wikidata, which if has an
error will be transported to maps too. So some form of manual verification
is needed / advisable. Sometimes there could be spelling differences (where
Wikipedia opting names following their own naming practices [Imagine
locales here / infamous anti-grantha debate in Tamil] / Google
transliterating because that is widely used spelling online, offline could
be entirely different.). So when we add name:xx translation, an OSM user
needs to see which is best used in a map, something that will help all map
users in language identify the place while navigating / visualizing. Other
alternate names, old names, short forms in languages can also be added
appropriately. Google Translation, Wikidata, Transliteration can all be
only suggestions.

When Wikidata and Google translate output matches, there is a reasonable
assurance on the translation though. But its not very easy to flag either
output as "Wrong" sometimes when they dont match. I did not go through this
exercise anyways.

Wikidata / Google overlap stats (which got uploaded yesterday)
Sri Lanka - 70 / 2200~ (Locale could be a factor here, where WP articles
might be in ta-lk locale, Google might have transliterated the names from
Sinhalese names)
Malaysia - 15 / 1350 ( Lack of Wikidata is main reason here, no one created
enough Tamil WP articles for Malaysian locations)
Indian Cities - 36 / 137
Tamil Nadu - 175 / 2700~

Tool :
I am still thinking on different options and undecided if I should continue
using Google sheets / use obtained sheets data as a backend and build a
simple UI which will upload to OSM using user's OSM credentials directly
instead of using a script. Building an overpass query builder specific to
this activity might also be useful. Feedback / help welcome.


[1] https://github.com/srikanthlogic/osm-ta

On 1 November 2016 at 09:32, Arun Ganesh  wrote:

> This is amazing Srikanth! Can you also share statistics of how many did
> not match, maybe it could be used to flag potentially incorrect
> translations on Wikidata.
>
> On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 8:42 AM, manoj k 
> wrote:
>
>> Great. How can i test for malayalam ?
>>
>> Manoj.K/മനോജ്.കെ
>> www.manojkmohan.com
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 1:34 AM, Srikanth Lakshmanan 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> After loading the yet to be translated nodes into google sheets, I used
>>> the =GOOGLETRANSLATE() function to get google translations of place names
>>> and also queried wikidata to get wikidata translations. When both these
>>> matched, I extracted a list and uploaded through a script.[1] I also
>>> verified the changesets[2] that were created through script and did not
>>> find any issues.
>>>
>>> [1] https://gist.github.com/srikanthlogic/5148571367bb829b03
>>> c2170af59880c4
>>> [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SrikanthLogic/history
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6 October 2016 at 13:29, Srikanth Lakshmanan 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7 April 2015 at 11:32, Sajjad Anwar  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Aruna, we can use the Wikidata to get a first pass of the translation
>>>>> and then present the spreadsheet view for someone to eyeball and add
>>>>> missing?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I got a spreadsheet view[0] to this using the OverpassToGoogleSheets
>>>> appscript[1] (which I plan to make a complete add-on) to give spreadsheet
>>>> view. Once the ability to generate spreadsheet or any language / area
>>>> combination is complete, use the sheet to build a HTML microtask UI where
>>>> user can translate (with a small map view to give context). Eventually, we
>>>> could build something envisioned at Map Translation Interface[3].
>>>>
>>>> [0] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1imONog35BeDTEuwR
>>>> PgrRRDAF7pvbSHs1Ryv-18yfOaQ/edit#gid=201371839
>>>> [1] 

Re: [Talk-in] Automating OSM translation into Indic languages

[Srikanth Lakshmanan]

After loading the yet to be translated nodes into google sheets, I used the
=GOOGLETRANSLATE() function to get google translations of place names and
also queried wikidata to get wikidata translations. When both these
matched, I extracted a list and uploaded through a script.[1] I also
verified the changesets[2] that were created through script and did not
find any issues.

[1] https://gist.github.com/srikanthlogic/5148571367bb829b03c2170af59880c4
[2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SrikanthLogic/history


On 6 October 2016 at 13:29, Srikanth Lakshmanan  wrote:

>
> On 7 April 2015 at 11:32, Sajjad Anwar  wrote:
>
>> Aruna, we can use the Wikidata to get a first pass of the translation
>> and then present the spreadsheet view for someone to eyeball and add
>> missing?
>>
>
> I got a spreadsheet view[0] to this using the OverpassToGoogleSheets
> appscript[1] (which I plan to make a complete add-on) to give spreadsheet
> view. Once the ability to generate spreadsheet or any language / area
> combination is complete, use the sheet to build a HTML microtask UI where
> user can translate (with a small map view to give context). Eventually, we
> could build something envisioned at Map Translation Interface[3].
>
> [0] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1imONog35BeDTEuwRPgrRRDAF7pvbS
> Hs1Ryv-18yfOaQ/edit#gid=201371839
> [1] https://github.com/srikanthlogic/tangrams-indic/
> blob/gh-pages/Translator-Tools/appscript/OverpassToGoogleSheets.gs
> [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Translation_Interface
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Re: [Talk-in] Automating OSM translation into Indic languages

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On 7 April 2015 at 11:32, Sajjad Anwar  wrote:

> Aruna, we can use the Wikidata to get a first pass of the translation and
> then present the spreadsheet view for someone to eyeball and add missing?
>

I got a spreadsheet view[0] to this using the OverpassToGoogleSheets
appscript[1] (which I plan to make a complete add-on) to give spreadsheet
view. Once the ability to generate spreadsheet or any language / area
combination is complete, use the sheet to build a HTML microtask UI where
user can translate (with a small map view to give context). Eventually, we
could build something envisioned at Map Translation Interface[3].

[0]
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1imONog35BeDTEuwRPgrRRDAF7pvbSHs1Ryv-18yfOaQ/edit#gid=201371839
[1]
https://github.com/srikanthlogic/tangrams-indic/blob/gh-pages/Translator-Tools/appscript/OverpassToGoogleSheets.gs
[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Translation_Interface

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[Talk-in] Indic Maps using Mapzen

[Srikanth Lakshmanan]

Hi all,

I have added a language selector option to Mapzen Tangram maps[1] and made
it support 12 languages[2]. We are figuring a way to add India borders
after which these / similar maps could power openstreetmap.in in all Indic
languages.


[1] https://mapzen.com/products/tangram/
[2] https://srikanthlogic.github.io/tangrams-indic/
[3]
http://blog.srik.me/2016/10/04/indic-maps-using-mapzen-tangram-openstreetmap/

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Re: [Talk-in] Automating OSM translation into Indic languages

[Srikanth Lakshmanan]

Hello,

I modified the script little and got a list of places with their translated
names. Gist and csv data files[1]. Change the bbox / query params to get
other names.

Observations on the data:-
1. Wikidata querying doesnt honour redirects. So Bengaluru, Mysuru, et al
dont get results from wikidata. We probably need to use wikipedia API, see
if its a redirect, use the redirected page and get the translated name. I
was too lazy for 1st pass.
fo
2. Need for manual verification :-

A. Place names can be similar to other verbs in English and we might have
got result of the verb's translation through wiki data. Ex :- kama,en
| काम,hi or might contain extra disambiguation terms which might not be
required in map. Anuradhapura,ml,അനുരാധപുരം (നഗരം)
B. Place might be only known for a thing for which wikipedia article is
created and interwiki linked. This is actually wikipedia's problem, but we
need to carry it on since we use them. Ex:- Kalasa,en |
Kalasa,kn,Kalgundi Sri Marulasidheshwara swami temple.
C. OSM data itself contains names in non latin script in name tags. I didnt
see much for Indian towns / cities, but it is the case for many Bangladesh
/ Nepal towns. Is there a discussion about which language should be used in
name tag? Needless to say this script cannot get indic names as English
wiki will not have pages in latin script.

I agree with Sajjad that this is going to be a tedious manual task(~6000
strings to look up) and we need a good web interface. I am looking at
crowdcrafting / pybossa. But if there can be a custom webapp built which
can directly upload change to OSM, nothing like it.

[1] https://gist.github.com/srikanthlogic/21368ec570608ab15c0f


On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Sajjad Anwar  wrote:

> This is great.
> Aruna, we can use the Wikidata to get a first pass of the translation and
> then present the spreadsheet view for someone to eyeball and add missing?
>
> Cheers,
> Sajjad.
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Aruna S  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Great work, I have been thinking this for sometime. I am of the opinion
>>> that place names(towns / villages etc) should be translated and not
>>> transliterated. Arun has a point about locality address as people might be
>>> so used to English, that they find translations in their own language
>>> unusable.
>>>
>>> For place names, would it be a good idea to run a script which can look
>>> up wikidata, extract names in multiple language and update OSM? Below is a
>>> sample query for 'Bangalore' in multiple languages.
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=wbgetentities&sites=enwiki&titles=Bangalore&languages=hi|ka|ml|ta|or|mr|gu|te&props=labels&format=xml
>>>
>>
>> This seems like a wonderful idea. I'll use this while working on the
>> translation. Thanks. :)
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[Talk-in] Fwd: [Ilugc] Sad demise of our dear KG (Keneth Gonsalvas)

[Srikanth Lakshmanan]

Sad. RIP

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Date: Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 3:25 PM
Subject: [Ilugc] Sad demise of our dear KG (Keneth Gonsalvas)
To: ILUG-C , Bangalore Python Users Group - India <
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Hi All,

Just now I got a message that our dear KG (Kenneth Gonsalvas) passed away.
He was admitted in hospital due to Asthma attack and passed away today
morning.
Cremation will be held at ooty on 4th Aug 2012.

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[Talk-in] Fwd: [Mediawiki-i18n] "translating" place names in Openstreetmap

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Might interest you!

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Date: Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 18:23
Subject: [Mediawiki-i18n] "translating" place names in Openstreetmap
To: mediawiki-i...@lists.wikimedia.org


Hi,

made a tool to semi-automatically translate place names in
Openstreetmap using wikipedia links from OSM and interlanguage links
from the Wikipedias:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:WikedKentaur/OSM-Wikipedia_place_name_tool


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Re: [Talk-in] Use of official names for cities

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Some related news (Kerala towns mainly though)

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/government-approves-new-names-of-25-towns-175540

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[Talk-in] [OT][X-post]Call for participation open for WikiConference India 2011

[Srikanth Lakshmanan]

Hi all,

Call for participation is open[1] for the first Wiki Conference in India[2]
to be held in Mumbai Nov 18-20,2011. CfP closes 30 August and any topic
related to Wikimedia(Any Wikimedia project) / Free content
creation(Commons,Openstreetmap etc) / Technology(Mediawiki /Semantic
mediawiki / wikimedia tools) and other intersecting topics would be
considered.

[1]
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConference_India_2011/Call_for_Participation
[2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConference_India_2011

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[Talk-in] New SoI Maps

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Came across the article[1] on new Road maps of SoI. Not sure how open and
accurate would be "open series map". Any of you have more information on
this?

[1]
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/SoI-to-unveil-new-road-maps-soon/articleshow/8592830.cms

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Re: [Talk-in] Extracting road information from particular cities.

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Hi,

You could use XAPI[1] and query with different tag types.Visit
www.openstreetmap.org and zoom into place of interest and click on the
export tab, you get the coords for bounding box.

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Xapi


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On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 22:25, bharath vissapragada <
bharathvissapragada1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi pradeep,
>
>
> Thanks for replying..
>
> Can you let me know how to find the bounding box attributes for cities
> .. .. Also how to use this bounding box .. can you give a simple
> example .. I am new to this osm data .. So Iam finding it a bit tough
> to process it .. Kindly bear my simple doubts !
>
> Thanks in anticipation,
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Pradeep B V  wrote:
> > Cant you just use the bounding box for Mumbai and get all data?
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 4:11 PM, bharath vissapragada
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >>
> >> We are trying to extract the road/street network for each city in the
> >> Indian osm dataset.
> >>
> >> We are writing our own parser for this . We are trying to use the
> >> relation,way,node tags to do this .
> >>
> >> But I am unable to understand how to find all the roads for city for
> >> eg. Mumbai.??
> >>
> >> Do I need to see "Mumbai" in the relation tag ?? This doesn't seem to
> >> be working as the parser is unable to find relations with Mumbai (just
> >> a few are found).
> >>
> >> Are these datasets already available?? (lat,long info of each road..)
> >>
> >>
> >> Please help me in this regard ...
> >>
> >> Any help is highly appreciated.
> >>
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Re: [Talk-in] BusRoutes.in

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On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Kiran Jonnalagadda  wrote:

> I guess the BTIS guys are the best bet for this data. Pandian, care to
> help?


I guess the best data is available with BMTC (for the routes using the PIS
funded by JnNURM) and is also in usable form, since it has geocoded stops
and is also direction aware.If anyone has access to BMTC and can get it,
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Re: [Talk-in] BusRoutes.in

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On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Kiran Jonnalagadda  wrote:

> Arun, what would it take to make BusRoutes.in usable in Bangalore? What
> data do you need?


 Hi Jace,

We require the basic stage data of all the routes. If its in a machine
readable format like csv or in some structured format, we could dump the
data.Entering data through django-admin is painful even for a single route.
This in first place is not present or very scattered (like praja.in)
contains usable volvo routes info and btis.in has some 3 year old(?) data.
Then comes the challenge of mapping the stage to lat-longs. This not just
requires the map data (which is decent enough in bangalore), but also few
people with some good knowledge of the city.The person should be able to
correct any mistakes in the data(data from corporation will be erroneous).

Assuming we do this bangalore needs its own customization because of its
one-ways.We might require to create 2 routes (UP and DOWN) for quite a few
routes and the routing algo should be modified to consider this.

We did not make any attempt to try this for bangalore as we were told BMTC
would release its data under GTFS soon (Its actually ~8 months now and we
havent seen any light). We can probably try creating the instance and feed
data manually (create csv ourselves for minimal routes and give a shot)

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Re: [Talk-in] Shooting OSM for CNN-IBN in Bangalore -reg

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On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Alagesa Pandian  wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I have been approached by the CNN-IBN reporter for a Shooting of Open
> Street Mapping in Bangalore, for a program they intend to broadcast on
> Coming friday.
>
We are organizing a mini party around cubbon park. It would be nice
> bangalore mappers show up around 4:00pm tomorrow at cubbon park.
>

Cool ! I will try if i can join in.

Since the location is cubbon park, it would be great if we could get a neat
A2(?) print out of this map[1] of cubbon park made by Arun and his NID
friends. Probably we could even give away to any /all of the govt offices /
organisations present there. We can also show that in comparison with the
public display map that would be already place and showcase the difference
OSM can make in creating maps.

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Re: [Talk-in] Renumbering National Highways

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On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Kiran Jonnalagadda  wrote:

>
> Old - NH 1A (Srinagar-Jammu-Pathankot-Jalandhar) / NH 1
> (Jalandhar-Ambala-Delhi) / NH 2 (Delhi-Agra) / NH 3 (Agra-Gwalior) / NH 75
> (Gwalior-Datia-Jhansi) / NH 26 (Jhansi-Sagar-Lakhnadon) / NH 7
> (Lakhnadon-Nagpur-Adilabad-Hyderabad--Bengaluru-Salem-Madurai-Kanyakumari)
>
> New - NH 44 (Srinagar-Kanyakumari) - "Kashmir to Kanyakumari" now has a
> road to its name
>
> Old - NH 8 (Delhi-Jaipur Byepass-Udaipur-Ahmedabad-Ankleshwar-Mumbai) / NH
> 4 (Thane-Pune-Kolhapur-Hubli-Bengaluru) / NH 7 (Bengaluru-Krishnagiri) / NH
> 46 (Krishnagiri-Vellore-Ranipet) / NH 4 (Ranipet-Chennai)
>
> New - NH 48 (Delhi-Chennai)


So, there we are, hit 2 anomalies already. Old
NH46,NH4(Chennai-Ranipet-Krishnagiri) part of the new NH48 is actually on
east west direction but numbered as a north-south highway.They could have
made it as Chennai-Krishnagiri-Bangalore-Hassan-Mangalore as a east west
way.Probably they would have felt odd to touch golden quad.As said earlier,
they double counted Bangalore-Krishnagiri part. On the Kashmir-Kanyakumari
they have mentioned Bangalore-Salem as though they are flying over
Krishnagiri.Having a map will help us visualizing better and appreciate the
better aspects of the new numbering scheme.

Ofcourse the new numbering scheme will take some months to adjust as they
have altered highways starting from major cities and made them as part of
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Re: [Talk-in] Renumbering National Highways

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On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Arun Ganesh wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:22 AM, Srikanth Lakshmanan 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> The Ministry of Road Transport and Highways have released the new
>> scientific numbering scheme[1]. We need to decide if we should move to the
>> new numbering form or not. Also i think its better to have the old numbers
>> as well. Probably we can have ref_old and ref_new keys.Now we have a totally
>> new dimension to highways.(As though, we didnt have enough problems with it)
>>
>>
> I have been trying to figure out some kind of rationale behind the
> rationalized number scheme but couldnt figure out any. The pdf is quite a
> bit of a muddle at the moment and we should probably wait for a better
> document that has the old vs new numbers so that we dont incorrectly number
> the roads.
>
> This post[1] describes the "rationale". Even numbered highways will be in
north-south direction and odd numbers would in east west direction.2 digit
highways are major ones and 3 digit ones will be offshoots. The order of
numbering starts from north to south.So NH 13 would be some where in north
in the east west direction and and NH 944 will be an offshoot on NH44 which
runs in north-south direction,somewhere in south i guess. We need to analyse
more on the data to verify if pattern followed is uniform and truely
scientific. Of course there are certain mistakes like it never says what is
number of the Krishnagiri-Bangalore which forms part of both NS-corridor and
golden quad.


> It was incorrectly tagged as a state, i corrected it to locality but i
> guess it would take time for it to show up in the low zoom tiles.--
>
Thanks. So vandals have started appearing. Nice! So we have grown to reach
masses or what :)

[1]
http://www.indiamike.com/india/buses-automobiles-motorcycles-and-bicycles-f117/new-national-highway-numbers-t110066/

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[Talk-in] Renumbering National Highways

[Srikanth Lakshmanan]

Hi all,

The Ministry of Road Transport and Highways have released the new scientific
numbering scheme[1]. We need to decide if we should move to the new
numbering form or not. Also i think its better to have the old numbers as
well. Probably we can have ref_old and ref_new keys.Now we have a totally
new dimension to highways.(As though, we didnt have enough problems with it)

On a different note, when i visited openstreetmap.in to check if someone has
updated to new numbering scheme, i was shocked by seeing "Sudhama Nagar"
replacing "Bangalore".[2] I went and checked the data, sudhama nagar was
perfectly normal and marked as a locality in Bangalore, which it is. OSM
site displays this properly.Any idea on what could be the problem?

[1] http://dorth.gov.in/writereaddata/sublinkimages/finaldoc6143316640.pdf
[2] http://openstreetmap.in/?zoom=7&lat=13.12871&lon=80.04694&layers=B
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Re: [Talk-in] hires=yes

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On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:21 PM, H.S.Rai  wrote:

> What does hire tag mean?
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/44377249
>
>
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/324844 gives list of places in
India with Hi-Res Y! imagery.
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Re: [Talk-in] osmindia

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On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves  wrote:

> On Tuesday 08 June 2010 13:33:34 Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote:
> > > recently I have had some issues with the osmindia sites being
> redirected
> > > to the bioinformatics site. I think the problem is solved now - can
> > > people please
> > > check. Once that is settled I will update the data periodically.
> >
> > Can we also host GPSMid[1] midlets of various Indian cities / states on
> > openstreetmap.in ? requires few MBs of space.You can find the  GPSMid
> >  midlet of Greater Chennai at [2]
> >
>
> space is available - will you do the honours?


Sure, i will create midlets of various cities and email you offlist to do
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Re: [Talk-in] osmindia

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On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves  wrote:

> hi,
>
> recently I have had some issues with the osmindia sites being redirected to
> the bioinformatics site. I think the problem is solved now - can people
> please
> check. Once that is settled I will update the data periodically.
>

Can we also host GPSMid[1] midlets of various Indian cities / states on
openstreetmap.in ? requires few MBs of space.You can find the  GPSMid midlet
of Greater Chennai at [2]

[1] http://gpsmid.sourceforge.net/
[2] http://bit.ly/ChennaiOSMJar

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Re: [Talk-in] GPSMid -- J2ME Application

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Well you cannot still add ways. It can just add POIs, edit the properties of
existing ways. GPS compliments this app well too.

On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Arunmozhi  wrote:

> Thank you so much . . .  This is like a holy grail for people like me
> who cannot get their hands on gps devices
>
> On 5/20/10, Srikanth Lakshmanan  wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > Came across this awesome java mobile app GPSMid [1] after planemad
> tweeted
> > about it. This app can take OSM data and hold it in the form of midlet
> and
> > provide routing. It can position using Cell ID. So positioning /
> navigation
> > on any phone which has j2me support / some memory without GPS / GPRS.
> >
> > For folks with GPRS, it can also live edit OSM which i think will be of
> > immense use to us to quickly add a POI / name an unnamed street. One
> needs
> > to create the midlet for the area they are interested from planet.osm
> file /
> > XAPI requests using osm2gpsmid [2] (fairly simple) and install them on
> the
> > mobile to start mapping on their mobiles. (I thought it was only possible
> by
> > the folks with iPhone and mapzen, but now poorer folks too can :) )
> >
> > [1] http://gpsmid.sourceforge.net
> > [2] http://gpsmid.sourceforge.net/osmtogpsmid.html
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[Talk-in] GPSMid -- J2ME Application

[Srikanth Lakshmanan]

All,

Came across this awesome java mobile app GPSMid [1] after planemad tweeted
about it. This app can take OSM data and hold it in the form of midlet and
provide routing. It can position using Cell ID. So positioning / navigation
on any phone which has j2me support / some memory without GPS / GPRS.

For folks with GPRS, it can also live edit OSM which i think will be of
immense use to us to quickly add a POI / name an unnamed street. One needs
to create the midlet for the area they are interested from planet.osm file /
XAPI requests using osm2gpsmid [2] (fairly simple) and install them on the
mobile to start mapping on their mobiles. (I thought it was only possible by
the folks with iPhone and mapzen, but now poorer folks too can :) )

[1] http://gpsmid.sourceforge.net
[2] http://gpsmid.sourceforge.net/osmtogpsmid.html
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Re: [Talk-in] Mapping the Indian Railway network using high resolution Landsat imagery

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On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

>
> well, I travelled from coimbatore-pollachi-dindigul-madurai, the tracks
> were
> there - but no trains. broadgauge conversion is going on. How do we map
> this?
>

I remember seeing some under-construction attribute for fly overs / roads. I
think this can be used.

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[Talk-in] Yet another GPS-mapper-terrorist

[Srikanth Lakshmanan]

Hi All,

A bit late, but better late than never.
http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?673095 is yet another story of
"gps-mapper-terrorist".(Pardon the technology handicapped journos who had
put GPRS instead of GPS) Pradeep BV suggested that we must actually have a
printout of "who-we-are-what-is-OSM-we-are-mappers-not-terrorists" page
whenever we go out for mapping.I think this is very much required given the
terror phobia people and security agencies have. Thoughts welcome.

The other thing that worries me is the term "prohibited area". The one
mentioned in the article is Anushakti Nagar in Bombay which is the
residential colony of employees in BARC which is no where close to
prohibited area( The actual N-reactor / research centre). Is there a way we
can know a place is prohibited or not? The article also says "prohibited
areas are blanked out in maps" which to my knowledge never happens with
Google etc(I can be damn sure about this). So my question is how does one
know what is prohibited area / not.

This came as a significant shock to me when my Dad asked about it as i used
to map around "Kalpakkam township".(Similar place in Tamil Nadu where my
parents live). I havent tried out roaming recently and might not do so
though i feel its should be perfectly OK to map the Township.

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Re: [Talk-in] latest data on site- attn HS Rai

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On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

> hi,
> I finally managed to ssh to our server and update the data - hopefully
> Prof's
> well is now available to the public.
>

Hi Kenneth,

index.html has a broken link to quicklinks.html though i have checked in the
same. Either it was not pulled(which i hope is not, assuming you have pulled
everything) or some other issue on web server. Can you please look into it?

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Re: [Talk-in] url-redirection-for-cities

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On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 9:20 PM, H.S.Rai  wrote:

> http://bestofosm.org/
>
> We want to have best of OSMI
>

Yes, definitely. My current plan for quick links is to have major cities,
all places mentioned at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/India#Mapping_progress and other
towns,All States at appropariate zoom level, universities(IITM, GNDEC,NITC,
anymore?), Best of OSMI [any well mapped area which is left out above]

Please do post it here if you can think of anything else.

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Re: [Talk-in] url-redirection-for-cities

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On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 8:32 PM, H.S.Rai  wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 9:06 AM,   wrote:
>
> > http://bitbucket.org/lawgon/osmindia/issue/7/url-redirection-for-cities
> >
> >  Since we have a nice .in domain, can we set up a URL redirection
> something like
> >
> > openstreetmap.in/chennai --> zooms to
> http://www.openstreetmap.in/?zoom=11&lat=13.06769&lon=80.22032&layers=B
> >
> > we can have URLs for major cities and well mapped towns to start with. We
> can have it for states too.
>
> When search function implemented, this one and Quick link (presently
> on main page, having links to Ooty and Chennai) will become redundant.
>

No.I guess fancy URLs will help web crawlers which can give us more
visibility on search and give hits. I am working on the quick links page
which will contain links to cities / states and places that are well mapped
and might interest people. Ex:- Coimbatore Golf Course or Tirupati Hills.
This can also be a place for visibility where other people in the community
can know what has been mapped well.
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Re: [Talk-in] Default view of OSMI

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On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves  wrote:

> On Tuesday 01 Dec 2009 1:24:44 pm H.S.Rai wrote:
> > Please set default zoom level 2, or better if , it can be:
> >
> >
> http://xlquest.net/?zoom=5&lat=21.94305&lon=80.37598&layers=B
> >
> > i.e. zoom level 5, India centred.
> >
>
> no idea how to do that - will try to find out.
>


I guess lat,long, zoom has to be defaulted on javascript present in
index.html
var lat=21.94305;
var lon=80.37538
var zoom=5;

I am not very sure, give a try.

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Re: [Talk-in] Border Disclaimer

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On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

> On Friday 27 Nov 2009 11:51:39 am Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote:
> > *-- XLQUEST team / OSM Contributors in India and link to OSM page?
> >  *(Clarifies We, Things where a foundation will help)
> >
> > *[1] location to OSM database *
> >
> >
> > Thats good. added few updates to it.
> >
>
> please see my other post regarding boundaries in this thread - if we show
> the
> official boundaries, we do not need a disclaimer

Agreed.It would still be nice to have this part atleast.

"Users may note that since this map is editably by anyone, at times there
will be inaccuracies caused by spammers and other anti-social elements."
Irrespective of borders, we can still have spammers cause damage. Preparing
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Re: [Talk-in] Border Disclaimer

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On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

> hows this:
>
> The frontiers depicted on this map come from the OSM database*[1]* and
> differ
>  from the official government map of India. We are making efforts to depict
>  the official boundaries. Until such time please consult the authorities
> before
>   using those parts of the map which vary from the official boundaries.
> Users
> may
>   note that since this map is editabl*e* by anyone, at times there will be
> inaccuracies
>   caused by spammers and other anti-social elements.
>
*-- XLQUEST team / OSM Contributors in India and link to OSM page? *(Clarifies
We, Things where a foundation will help)

*[1] location to OSM database *


Thats good. added few updates to it.

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Re: [Talk-in] Border Disclaimer

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On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
>
>> On Friday 27 Nov 2009 10:06:01 am Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
>> > On Friday 27 Nov 2009 10:00:36 am Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote:
>> > > Can we have a link to detailed disclaimer page on http://xlquest.net
>>
>> > > Personally, I would like to have the map in present form with a
>> > > disclaimer. Thoughts please.
>> >
>> > I will put a disclaimer - I just saw 'Azad Kashmir' on the map.
>> >
>>
>> btw - where is the disclaimer? or do you have the text for a disclaimer?
>>
>
> Sorry the disclaimer is on the Template box and additional notes below. Put
> it out on your source control. We can work it out and put one. You must be
> able to get a better one being a lawyer.
>
> "The frontiers depicted on the Indian maps in *Wikipedia* OSM are
> from a neutral point of view and may differ from official government map of
> India, *Pakistan and China.* Please consult local laws governing
> publication of maps before usage."
>

On a slightly related note, Since the map is editable by anyone and we may
not have the time to look at OSM data day in and day out, we must put some
additional disclaimers "about editable map" so disclaimer will be complete
covering an act of editing by some chinese guy / govt editing OSM to claim
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Re: [Talk-in] Border Disclaimer

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On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

> On Friday 27 Nov 2009 10:06:01 am Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> > On Friday 27 Nov 2009 10:00:36 am Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote:
> > > Can we have a link to detailed disclaimer page on http://xlquest.net
>
> > > Personally, I would like to have the map in present form with a
> > > disclaimer. Thoughts please.
> >
> > I will put a disclaimer - I just saw 'Azad Kashmir' on the map.
> >
>
> btw - where is the disclaimer? or do you have the text for a disclaimer?
>

Sorry the disclaimer is on the Template box and additional notes below. Put
it out on your source control. We can work it out and put one. You must be
able to get a better one being a lawyer.

"The frontiers depicted on the Indian maps in *Wikipedia* OSM are
from a neutral point of view and may differ from official government map of
India, *Pakistan and China.* Please consult local laws governing
publication of maps before usage."

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[Talk-in] Border Disclaimer

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Can we have a link to detailed disclaimer page on http://xlquest.net about
the borders used. Since we are calling it Indian OSM Server running out of
NRC-FOSS money, We should put up something to avoid any noises against OSM
in general.There has been quite a few noises in wikipedia against Arun's map
and more people(govt officials) getting caught for using them.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:India_roadway_map.svg Notes included
in this has a detailed disclaimer.

OR

To be inline with "patriotic folks" without NPOV, Indian Server should
reflect legal borders mentioned by Survey of India,GoI.

Personally, I would like to have the map in present form with a disclaimer.
Thoughts please.

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Re: [Talk-in] Mapping Party howto document

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On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

> On Thursday 26 Nov 2009 10:08:56 am Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote:
> > Even when you have instrument, it is ideal to "actually map" with the gps
> > data collected *on the same day* to get a better map.Something we
> > experienced through E-City Mapping party / Hosur Mapping party.Output of
> > E-City map is much better. So ideally any mapping party should have
> minimum
> > of 2 hours where participants map them out. This way new comers to party
> > also get to learn how to map.
> >
>
> that is true - but the point I am trying to emphasise is that mapping is a
> daily activity. Every time you look at the map you can add something - a
> dustbin, a lamp post, a speed breaker on the road.
>

Agree. Evolving the wiki way through incremental improvements is ideal
instead of mapping once and leaving it.

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Re: [Talk-in] Mapping Party howto document

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On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Sajjad Anwar  wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Guillaume Audirac <
> guillaume.audi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Some useful tool like KeepRight can help you to fix some basic mistakes
>> (updated once a week I guess):
>>
>> http://keepright.ipax.at/report_map.php?db=osm_XD&zoom=16&lat=11.31964&lon=75.93473&layers=B00T&ch=0&show_ign=0&show_tmpign=0
>> (the Permalink allows you to bookmark a specific location in updating the
>> URL)
>>
>
Awesome tool. Thanks for the pointer. I was wondering how i could know all
the mistakes i committed during my initial days of mapping and fix it.

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Re: [Talk-in] Mapping Party howto document

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On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Sajjad Anwar  wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 5:42 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
>
>> It is not even necessary to have a GPS instrument
>> to sketch these things in. You have an outline. Now fill in the buildings,
>> sketch the streets, paths, gardens, trees. Even if it is not precise, when
>> you get an instrument you can correct it.
>
>
Even when you have instrument, it is ideal to "actually map" with the gps
data collected *on the same day* to get a better map.Something we
experienced through E-City Mapping party / Hosur Mapping party.Output of
E-City map is much better. So ideally any mapping party should have minimum
of 2 hours where participants map them out. This way new comers to party
also get to learn how to map.

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Re: [Talk-in] anything during this FOSS.IN?

[Srikanth Lakshmanan]

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Gora Mohanty  wrote:

> Not sure if anyone has submitted anything, and am also not
> sure what could be covered in a talk or a workout. If you
> are going to be at the meeting, we can do an informal BoF
> set up then and there.
>
Mini Mapping Party? NIMHANS is blank on OSM. Not sure if it will get
accepted though.

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Re: [Talk-in] presentation on OSM

[Srikanth Lakshmanan]

On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 11:55:28 am Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves  >wrote:
> > > hi,
> > >
> > > I am supposed to give a 30 minute presentation on OSM in an upcoming
> > > seminar
> > > of open source GIS. Any suggestions (I want to focus on Indian
> > > applications)
> >
> > http://busroutes.in/chennai/
>
> looks good, but once into the map, there is no way to find a fresh bus
> route
> without going back to the entry page.
>

Yes. Its still in alpha.Search bar on all pages and there are quite a few
things that need to be implemented/fixed.
You are welcome to join and contribute in whatever way you can. Its a django
app and the code is open <http://github.com/yuvipanda/wtfimb> :) .

Regards,
Srikanth L
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Re: [Talk-in] presentation on OSM

[Srikanth Lakshmanan]

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

> hi,
>
> I am supposed to give a 30 minute presentation on OSM in an upcoming
> seminar
> of open source GIS. Any suggestions (I want to focus on Indian
> applications)
>

http://busroutes.in/chennai/

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Re: [Talk-in] OSM Mapping party

[Srikanth Lakshmanan]

Hello all,

It was nice mapping around E City.I have added post event summary
here.
The difference we made
today.
Great stuff, hope to see you all in the next mapping party.

Cheers,
Srikanth L

On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Mallikarjun Javali <
mallikarjun.jav...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi guys,
> here are few photos.
> http://picasaweb.google.co.in/mallikarjun.javali/ECityMappingParty#
>
> Mallik
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Pradeep B V  wrote:
>
>> Hiya all,
>>
>> Thanks for making it to the mapping party. (Sameer please pass this mail
>> to Abhinav too).
>>
>> It was definitely fun mapping eCity with you all today.
>>
>> The GPX files have been uploaded and and can be seen here:
>>
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Pradeep%20B%20V/traces/473720
>>
>> and
>>
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Pradeep%20B%20V/traces/473717
>>
>> When you get time please do maps these on Potlach (by clicking on the edit
>> link next to the traces) or on JOSM.
>>
>> See ya all on the next mapping party on 22nd August 2009 at Koramangala.
>>
>> - Pradeep B V
>>
>
>
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