Re: [Talk-hr] Državne, županijske i lokalne ceste koje to u stvarnosti nisu
On 04/27/2014 01:26 AM, Janko Mihelić wrote: Dana 27. travnja 2014. u 00:32 hbogner hbog...@gmail.com je napisao/la: Ja sam protiv toga da se te ceste označava kao secundary i tertiary samo zato što je neki političar ili foteljaš tako odlučio i stavio to na papir. Za to sam ga ih se ubaci u relaciju za državne, županisjke i lokalne. Za to sam i da im se stavi ref= oznaka. Ali tip ceste moramo smisliti neki koji će pasati za njih. Cilj je da skupimo prave informacije kakve su na terenu a ne da kopiramo odluke političara/foteljaša koi tu cestu nikad nisu vidjeli, niti znaju kakva je. Slažem se da političari nemaju pojma o stanju tih cesta, ali ne radi se o tome nego o tome jesu li te ceste važne u tim mjestima. Mislim da i koliko je ta cesta prohodna za automobile i ostala vozila ima dosta značenja. Može ljudima cesta biti jako važna, ali ako hitna, vatrogasci tom cestom voze 35 minuta umjesto 5 minuta isto ima značenja jer bi prije stigli okolo. A da li bi po tebi trebalo isto označavati ovu cestuhttps://maps.google.hr/?ll=45.865445,15.826968spn=0.009085,0.016716t=mz=16layer=ccbll=45.865445,15.826968panoid=mkmZg1FJLDrNzVg6pG3ijQcbp=12,169.1,,0,-1.62i ovu cestuhttps://maps.google.hr/?ll=44.309017,15.860792spn=0.004699,0.008358t=hlayer=ccbll=44.309251,15.86077panoid=iS2VXQgJ4BGGQO7qmi8XmQcbp=12,187.42,,0,4.04z=17? Obje su D1. Te dvije su sličnije nego one dvije koje sam ja naveo :D One dvije se baš drastično razlikuju :D I po voznoj površini, i po zavijenosti ceste i još dosta toga. Stvar je u tome da klasifikacija ceste nema veze sa kvalitetom ceste. Ima veze sa važnosti ceste u nekoj regiji. Ljudi koji žive uz tu cestu kod Gline definitivno gledaju na tu cestu kao dosta važnu. I ako želiš doći do neke kuće u toj regiji, ići ćeš tom cestom, a ne nekom drugom. Ako sve ceste označiš kao track, nemaš više nikakvu informaciju. Djelomično sma ovo komentirao u prethodnom djelu. Ili tom ili nekom okolnom koja je kvalitetnija, ako ne želiš uništavati auto. A kad staviš kao secondary onda drugi ruting algoritmi to pročitati kao klasičnu asfaltiranu cestu sa 2 prometne trake prohodnu za osobna vozila. Sad možemo nabrajati razne primjere... Nisam baš siguran da želimo mapirati prema lošim ruting algoritmima. OK prvo se moramo dogovoriti kako označavati takve ceste. A tko određuje koji je dobar a koji loš ruting algortitam? Ti? Ja? Netko treći? Ja sam samo naveo da ih ima više, Garmin ima svoj, Osmand ima svoj... Ja bi bio zadovoljan kad bi ih barem ucrtali kao unclassified. Ja sam isto razmišljao kao unclassified, ali sa dodatnim oznakama da se definira i objasni zašto smo tako stavili. Slično moramo i za ceste koje crtamo sa satelita a neznamo kakve su. Prije smo svi ucrtavali bez dodatnih atributa, ali sad se pokazuje velika potreba za što više atributa koji bi što točnije opisali neku cestu. ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
Re: [Talk-hr] Državne, županijske i lokalne ceste koje to u stvarnosti nisu
Dana 28. travnja 2014. u 17:00 hbogner hbog...@gmail.com je napisao/la: Ja sam isto razmišljao kao unclassified, ali sa dodatnim oznakama da se definira i objasni zašto smo tako stavili. Slično moramo i za ceste koje crtamo sa satelita a neznamo kakve su. Prije smo svi ucrtavali bez dodatnih atributa, ali sad se pokazuje velika potreba za što više atributa koji bi što točnije opisali neku cestu. Mislim da moramo agresivno krenuti sa upisivanjem surface taga na 100% cesta. Recimo, na sve autoceste i primary možemo odmah upisati surface=asphalt (bar se nadam). Nadalje na sve županijske za koje znamo da su asfaltirane, i tako dalje. Na taj način ćemo vidjeti za koje ceste se ne zna surface, i tako bi routeri mogli znati gdje je sigurno asfalt, a gdje je nesigurno pa bolje zaobići. ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
Re: [Talk-hr] Državne, županijske i lokalne ceste koje to u stvarnosti nisu
On 04/28/2014 05:24 PM, Janko Mihelić wrote: Dana 28. travnja 2014. u 17:00 hbogner hbog...@gmail.com je napisao/la: Ja sam isto razmišljao kao unclassified, ali sa dodatnim oznakama da se definira i objasni zašto smo tako stavili. Slično moramo i za ceste koje crtamo sa satelita a neznamo kakve su. Prije smo svi ucrtavali bez dodatnih atributa, ali sad se pokazuje velika potreba za što više atributa koji bi što točnije opisali neku cestu. Mislim da moramo agresivno krenuti sa upisivanjem surface taga na 100% cesta. Recimo, na sve autoceste i primary možemo odmah upisati surface=asphalt (bar se nadam). Nadalje na sve županijske za koje znamo da su asfaltirane, i tako dalje. Moramo obavezno, i ne samo surface, nego što više informacija znamo, broj traka, širina, pretjecanje ... Nažalost ne. Vedran je na facebook grupi naveo primjer državne koja je makadam. Ja već nekoliko godina to radim, ali nestignem sve stare, nego pokušavam sve nove odmah i nešto starih što stignem. Na taj način ćemo vidjeti za koje ceste se ne zna surface, i tako bi routeri mogli znati gdje je sigurno asfalt, a gdje je nesigurno pa bolje zaobići. Tako je. Treba nam što više ažurnih i točnih informacija. Evo karte sa surface oznakama: http://www.itoworld.com/map/215?lon=16.11295lat=45.60416zoom=9 ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
Re: [Talk-hr] Državne, županijske i lokalne ceste koje to u stvarnosti nisu
hbogner napisa: Nažalost ne. Vedran je na facebook grupi naveo primjer državne koja je makadam. Treba odlučiti kako označiti takvu cestu. Kao primary zasad sigurno ne jer se na većini rendera ne renderira surface tag i netko bi mogao samo pogledom na kartu odlučiti krenuti tom cestom misleći da je dobra. Naravno, sad će netko prigovoriti da se ne treba crtati za renderer. Pada mi na pamet jednostavano pravilo, a to je da sve ceste u Hrvatskoj koje u OSM označavamo sa primary, secondary i tertiary *moraju* biti asfaltirane. Sve klasificirane ceste (DC, ŽC i LC) koje su makadam označiti sa unclassified i pripadajućim surface tagom. ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
Re: [Talk-hr] Državne, županijske i lokalne ceste koje to u stvarnosti nisu
2014-04-28 20:09 GMT+02:00 Ivan Delac ivan.ne...@gmail.com: hbogner napisa: Nažalost ne. Vedran je na facebook grupi naveo primjer državne koja je makadam. Treba odlučiti kako označiti takvu cestu. Kao primary zasad sigurno ne jer se na većini rendera ne renderira surface tag i netko bi mogao samo pogledom na kartu odlučiti krenuti tom cestom misleći da je dobra. Naravno, sad će netko prigovoriti da se ne treba crtati za renderer. Pada mi na pamet jednostavano pravilo, a to je da sve ceste u Hrvatskoj koje u OSM označavamo sa primary, secondary i tertiary *moraju* biti asfaltirane. Sve klasificirane ceste (DC, ŽC i LC) koje su makadam označiti sa unclassified i pripadajućim surface tagom. Pratim i ne znam što bih rekao, al za sada mi se ovaj prijedlog čini kao najbolje rješenje ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
[talk-ph] OSMPH GPS Routable Map Temporarily Halted
Hi All, I am temporarily placing the generation of OSM-based GPS Routable map for the Philippines on hold due to vandalism issues. The last version will be the one generated last April 25, 2014. This will be discontinued until such time the DWG gives a* workable* solution to the user/s that is/are vandalizing the OSM-data for the Philippines. The v20140425 map is downloadable at http://www.s1expeditions.com/p/openstreetmaps.html For the meantime, I am generating unofficial releases which I am using personally but decided to give public access to it. This is using my personal server so this may be slow. You may use the unofficial releases if you need a recently updated GPS routable map. But be aware of possible vandalized data that may result to some incorrect routing and POI search. The unofficial releases are accessible via the same resource indicated above under the Unofficial Release label. Ervin M. *Schadow1 Expeditions* - A Filipino must not be a stranger to his own motherland. http://www.s1expeditions.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] OSM Philippines Server
Dear All Philippine OSM'ers I am in the process of setting up our own OSM server for use with disasternet.org so that we can implement some specific styles and data presentations for use on our base map As a side project, if there is any interest, I am willing to set up a specific Philippine Map that can be styled to suit the work that OSM Philippines has done. What this means is that if there are any specific tagging schemes used that are unique to the Philippines we can display them any way we like. I will do this at no charge (as a community service) provided that it does not kill my servers and I will use Google Adsense to try and generate some income to mitigate costs and advertise Disasternet.org on it as well. If sponsorship of around P7-10K (10 is better) per month can be found, I can manage the server time, space and update frequencies in a way that will allow it to be set up so that the usage will be dedicated to the Philippine map and not shared with our other maps. I can also make it completely add free (which is good). It will still be on our integrated platforms, but isolated from other map requests. For the technically minded, the platforms we use are as follows Windows Servers Postgres 91. with PistGis2.0 GeoServer GeoWebCache Styling via SLD Updates are done every minute from the main OSM servers Questions: Does the community want to have its own map that can be styled to suit the Philippines? If so, then: What Domain do you want to use. What tagging differences and styles do you want to implement. (I will set up a generic style on te map that we can discuss and modify) Looking forward to a positive response. Regards Mark Cupitt If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence See me on Open StreetMap https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mark_Cupitt See me on LinkedIn http://ph.linkedin.com/in/markcupitt *See me on StackExchange http://gis.stackexchange.com/users/17846/mark-c* === The contents of this email are intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not disclose, copy, distribute, or use the contents of this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the email and any attachments. === ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[OSM-legal-talk] Attribution
http://stevecoast.com/2014/04/28/attribution-is-it-time-to-name-and-shame/ -- OpenStreetMap is the global, open and free map dataset that anyone can use. It is created by a huge community of volunteers who pour their time and energy in to the project. It’s also fun, beautiful and cool. So it’s sad that people don’t want to respect the license. It asks two very simple things: Please say you’re using OSM. This is very simple. If you change the map, please give the changes back. This is called “share-alike”. Compared to paying a lot of money for incredibly license-restricted data, you’d think people would be ok with these requirements. Sadly, this isn’t the case. There are those who are now willfully disregarding our tiny little requirements. It’s being framed as some gigantic and unreasonable proposition, asking to say where the data came from or giving data back when you fix things. As if it’s completely bananas to ask such a thing. As if Linux or Wikipedia should be disaster ghost towns while asking for exactly the same thing of their users. This is just baloney. The real comparison should be; if you don’t like the license you’re free to use expensive and complicatedly-license data. That’s your option. Those guys are just a phone call away, and will be happy to sell you data. You’d probably find that they have very strong attribution requirements, just like OSM does. It is the ultimate disrespect to the volunteers who built the data to not even attribute their contributions. It’s even worse that there are some who’re trying to also own OSM for themselves by taking away the share-alike requirement. Is the license perfect? I’m afraid not. Specifically we need more clarification around the technical implementation and use of geocodes, especially in relation to other datasets. It’s hard today to technically comply with some of those edge cases. But that’s not what we’re talking about. We’re speaking here about the simple ask, that if you use OSM you please say clearly on the map that it is OSM. You’re getting a great dataset, for free, under an open license, that millions of people are contributing to. We’re not asking for $100,000 license fees, we’re just asking that you say who we are. It’s the ultimate human need; I was here. I did this. How could you deny people that? Apparently, easily and willfully. People within the OSM community have been frustrated and trying to fix it for some time. If we were a proprietary map supplier we’d revoke a license or jump to legal options. We are much nicer than that. I propose a four stage plan, organized on OSM’s legal mailing list and tracked on the wiki: A polite email, linking to our requirements A week later: Another polite email, warning of what’s to come. A week later: Another polite email, same as above A week later: Very public naming and shaming on OSMs various social media channels and blogs Most people who miss our requirements are making a simple error. This is a process that gives three opportunities and an entire month to correct the mistake. This is not a brand new idea or process. The FSF and others have named shamed (and have even went further) for GPL violations in the past. In a narrow way, this all a good thing. It shows the growth and maturity of the project, that there are those out there that want to own it or take all the advantages without even saying where the data came from. But in the end, we have to defend ourselves for what little, tiny things we ask.___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Attribution
On 28/04/14 11:42 AM, Steve Coast wrote: In a narrow way, this all a good thing. It shows the growth and maturity of the project, that there are those out there that want to own it or take all the advantages without even saying where the data came from. But in the end, we have to defend ourselves for what little, tiny things we ask. Excellent. - Rob. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Attribution
or giving data back when you fix things. This is a gross oversimplification of share-alike. And the imperfections in the license extend beyond geocoding. I don't want to rehash the arguments, as Alex Barth did http://stateofthemap.us/session/more-open/ very eloquently at State of the Map US. Let's just not pretend the requirements are simple, tiny, or little, but are instead complex and sweeping. In any case, I agree with the larger point that OSM data users must comply with the rules as they exist and we should publicly call out their violations. -Jake ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Attribution
On Apr 28, 2014, at 1:26 PM, Jake Wasserman jwasser...@gmail.com wrote: Let's just not pretend the requirements are simple, tiny, or little, but are instead complex and sweeping. My comparison was to proprietary vendors. Have you ever read one of their contracts? In any case, I agree with the larger point that OSM data users must comply with the rules as they exist and we should publicly call out their violations. Good :-) Steve___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Attribution
There are some moderate complicated edge cases caused by and there are some things that will not be possible with share alike and are not intended to be possible in the first place. Naturally anybody is completely within its rights to lobby for changes that would better fit their business model, but that does not imply that everything they claim during lobbying is an accurate description of our current licence. Further I note there was 0 (zero) response to the proposed updated community guidelines that go a long way in clarifying a number of the grey areas, indicating that the whole upset is not about fixing real issues. Simon Am 28.04.2014 21:26, schrieb Jake Wasserman: or giving data back when you fix things. This is a gross oversimplification of share-alike. And the imperfections in the license extend beyond geocoding. I don't want to rehash the arguments, as Alex Barth did http://stateofthemap.us/session/more-open/ very eloquently at State of the Map US. Let's just not pretend the requirements are simple, tiny, or little, but are instead complex and sweeping. In any case, I agree with the larger point that OSM data users must comply with the rules as they exist and we should publicly call out their violations. -Jake ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Attribution
I couldn't agree more. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 28/04/2014 19:42, Steve Coast wrote: http://stevecoast.com/2014/04/28/attribution-is-it-time-to-name-and-shame/ -- OpenStreetMap http://osm.org/ is the global, open and free map dataset that anyone can use. It is created by a huge community of volunteers who pour their time and energy in to the project. It's also fun, beautiful and cool. So it's sad that people don't want to respect the license. It asks two very simple things: 1. Please say you're using OSM. This is very simple http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright. 2. If you change the map, please give the changes back. This is called share-alike. Compared to paying a lot of money for incredibly license-restricted data, you'd think people would be ok with these requirements. Sadly, this isn't the case. There are those who are now willfully disregarding our tiny little requirements. It's being framed as some gigantic and unreasonable proposition, asking to say where the data came from or giving data back when you fix things. As if it's completely bananas to ask such a thing. As if Linux or Wikipedia should be disaster ghost towns while asking for exactly the same thing of their users. This is just baloney. The real comparison should be; if you don't like the license you're free to use expensive and complicatedly-license data. That's your option. Those guys are just a phone call away, and will be happy to sell you data. You'd probably find that they have very strong attribution requirements, just like OSM does. It is the ultimate disrespect to the volunteers who built the data to not even attribute their contributions. It's even worse that there are some who're trying to also own OSM for themselves by taking away the share-alike requirement. Is the license perfect? I'm afraid not. Specifically we need more clarification around the technical implementation and use of geocodes, especially in relation to other datasets. It's hard today to technically comply with some of those edge cases. But that's not what we're talking about. We're speaking here about the simple ask, that if you use OSM you please say clearly on the map that it is OSM. You're getting a great dataset, for free, under an open license, that millions of people are contributing to. We're not asking for $100,000 license fees, we're just asking that you say who we are. It's the ultimate human need; I was here. I did this. How could you deny people that? Apparently, easily and willfully. People within the OSM community have been frustrated and trying to fix it for some time. If we were a proprietary map supplier we'd revoke a license or jump to legal options. We are much nicer than that. I propose a four stage plan, organized on OSM's legal mailing list https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk and tracked on the wiki: 1. A polite email, linking to our requirements 2. A week later: Another polite email, warning of what's to come. 3. A week later: Another polite email, same as above 4. A week later: Very public naming and shaming on OSMs various social media channels and blogs Most people who miss our requirements are making a simple error. This is a process that gives three opportunities and an entire month to correct the mistake. This is not a brand new idea or process. The FSF and others have named shamed (and have even went further http://news.slashdot.org/story/08/12/11/1745254/fsf-files-suit-against-cisco-for-gpl-violations) for GPL violations in the past. In a narrow way, this all a good thing. It shows the growth and maturity of the project, that there are those out there that want to own it or take all the advantages without even saying where the data came from. But in the end, we have to defend ourselves for what little, tiny things we ask. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Attribution
Further I note there was 0 (zero) response to the proposed updated community guidelines that go a long way in clarifying a number of the grey areas, indicating that the whole upset is not about fixing real issues. Simon, first i've heard about this. Can you point to where it's posted please, and also, explain the process by which they were created, proposed, and approved? Thanks Mikel On Apr 28, 2014, at 16:08, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Further I note there was 0 (zero) response to the proposed updated community guidelines that go a long way in clarifying a number of the grey areas, indicating that the whole upset is not about fixing real issues. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Attribution
Steve, Agreed on a transparent process for tracking unattributed applications of OpenStreetMap. Separate from attribution however, the issue with “share-alike” is that it's not open, and hurting our community. ODbL's share alike is simply shutting out OpenStreetMap from many use cases = adoption = incentives to contribute. While share-alike was intended to foster this project's growth it now is only putting limits on it. We can fix this. There are straight forward ways to make a license modification to ensure that our community can evolve with the best most open license. It's simplistic to make broad analogies - this isn't Linux or Wikipedia: OpenStreetMap is data, data is useful down to its smallest subsets and unfolding the full power of data is to allow it to be combined and mashed up in any way with other datasets. And for OpenStreetMap to be used as part of everything and used by different communities it needs to be truly open data. By being more open we will grow our community and only improve the data quality. And it is this data that is going to change the world. The world is changing fast right now and the very fact that OpenStreetMap is available in a structured format starts to be its biggest advantage. We can see this in humanitarian applications every day. I'm saying this with the deepest respect to all contributors here: What's to gain is OpenStreetMap in a lot more applications than today. With share alike dropped, a huge hurdle for using OpenStreetMap is just gone. Alex PS: My talk on this very issue at SOTM-US http://stateofthemap.us/session/more-open/ On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: http://stevecoast.com/2014/04/28/attribution-is-it-time-to-name-and-shame/ -- OpenStreetMap http://osm.org/ is the global, open and free map dataset that anyone can use. It is created by a huge community of volunteers who pour their time and energy in to the project. It’s also fun, beautiful and cool. So it’s sad that people don’t want to respect the license. It asks two very simple things: 1. Please say you’re using OSM. This is very simplehttp://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright . 2. If you change the map, please give the changes back. This is called “share-alike”. Compared to paying a lot of money for incredibly license-restricted data, you’d think people would be ok with these requirements. Sadly, this isn’t the case. There are those who are now willfully disregarding our tiny little requirements. It’s being framed as some gigantic and unreasonable proposition, asking to say where the data came from or giving data back when you fix things. As if it’s completely bananas to ask such a thing. As if Linux or Wikipedia should be disaster ghost towns while asking for exactly the same thing of their users. This is just baloney. The real comparison should be; if you don’t like the license you’re free to use expensive and complicatedly-license data. That’s your option. Those guys are just a phone call away, and will be happy to sell you data. You’d probably find that they have very strong attribution requirements, just like OSM does. It is the ultimate disrespect to the volunteers who built the data to not even attribute their contributions. It’s even worse that there are some who’re trying to also own OSM for themselves by taking away the share-alike requirement. Is the license perfect? I’m afraid not. Specifically we need more clarification around the technical implementation and use of geocodes, especially in relation to other datasets. It’s hard today to technically comply with some of those edge cases. But that’s not what we’re talking about. We’re speaking here about the simple ask, that if you use OSM you please say clearly on the map that it is OSM. You’re getting a great dataset, for free, under an open license, that millions of people are contributing to. We’re not asking for $100,000 license fees, we’re just asking that you say who we are. It’s the ultimate human need; I was here. I did this. How could you deny people that? Apparently, easily and willfully. People within the OSM community have been frustrated and trying to fix it for some time. If we were a proprietary map supplier we’d revoke a license or jump to legal options. We are much nicer than that. I propose a four stage plan, organized on OSM’s legal mailing listhttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talkand tracked on the wiki: 1. A polite email, linking to our requirements 2. A week later: Another polite email, warning of what’s to come. 3. A week later: Another polite email, same as above 4. A week later: Very public naming and shaming on OSMs various social media channels and blogs Most people who miss our requirements are making a simple error. This is a process that gives three opportunities and an entire month to correct the mistake. This is not a brand new idea or process. The FSF
Re: [OSM-talk] ReMAPTCHA Demo BETA 0.2 online! (Was: Hate captchas!!!!)
Hi Kate 2014-04-28 7:40 GMT+02:00 Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com: I think there would need to be audio challenges. There are projects for helping make OSM accessible to people who are vision impaired, this includes information on the OSM wiki. I understand. But audio is a complete different technology and our project wanted to focus on visual clues. Yours, Stefan 2014-04-28 7:40 GMT+02:00 Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com: Hi Stefan, On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Stefan Keller sfkel...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-04-27 21:08 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: I think a bigger situation is that I don't see how this could possibly be ADA compliant: How does a blind person pass? We could add audio challenges - but that's not needed since the context and target sites where ReMAPTCHA is designed for, are geospatial websites and graphic editors. I think there would need to be audio challenges. There are projects for helping make OSM accessible to people who are vision impaired, this includes information on the OSM wiki. -S. 2014-04-27 21:08 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:21 AM, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.comwrote: I'm worried about bots still having a very high chance of sucess. With two fairly-legible words in the image and a chalenge asking me to write either one of the words or both, a bot still has 33% chance of success if answering randomly, wich is high enough that bot authors won't even bother trying to smartly interpret the map. I think a bigger situation is that I don't see how this could possibly be ADA compliant: How does a blind person pass? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] ReMAPTCHA Demo BETA 0.2 online! (Was: Hate captchas!!!!)
At least at face value, this presents issues for the US chapter, given blind people... On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 1:45 AM, Stefan Keller sfkel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Kate 2014-04-28 7:40 GMT+02:00 Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com: I think there would need to be audio challenges. There are projects for helping make OSM accessible to people who are vision impaired, this includes information on the OSM wiki. I understand. But audio is a complete different technology and our project wanted to focus on visual clues. Yours, Stefan 2014-04-28 7:40 GMT+02:00 Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com: Hi Stefan, On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Stefan Keller sfkel...@gmail.comwrote: 2014-04-27 21:08 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: I think a bigger situation is that I don't see how this could possibly be ADA compliant: How does a blind person pass? We could add audio challenges - but that's not needed since the context and target sites where ReMAPTCHA is designed for, are geospatial websites and graphic editors. I think there would need to be audio challenges. There are projects for helping make OSM accessible to people who are vision impaired, this includes information on the OSM wiki. -S. 2014-04-27 21:08 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:21 AM, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.comwrote: I'm worried about bots still having a very high chance of sucess. With two fairly-legible words in the image and a chalenge asking me to write either one of the words or both, a bot still has 33% chance of success if answering randomly, wich is high enough that bot authors won't even bother trying to smartly interpret the map. I think a bigger situation is that I don't see how this could possibly be ADA compliant: How does a blind person pass? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] ReMAPTCHA Demo BETA 0.2 online! (Was: Hate captchas!!!!)
On 28 April 2014 08:54, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: At least at face value, this presents issues for the US chapter, given blind people... The most frequent response I have heard to similar comments in the past was that the map as a whole presents more of an issue. It may seem a bit obstructive and glib, but perhaps there is some truth here. I think it could be a good opportunity to examine all our infrastructures not only image representations of geospatial data (i.e maps). Blindness is a spectrum as I understand it - perhaps the lessons that are being learnt in making OSM more vision impaired people into OSM could be taught to everyone making mapping tools. What progress has been made here and how could these be added to improve this project? On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 1:45 AM, Stefan Keller sfkel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Kate 2014-04-28 7:40 GMT+02:00 Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com: I think there would need to be audio challenges. There are projects for helping make OSM accessible to people who are vision impaired, this includes information on the OSM wiki. I understand. But audio is a complete different technology and our project wanted to focus on visual clues. Yours, Stefan 2014-04-28 7:40 GMT+02:00 Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com: Hi Stefan, On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Stefan Keller sfkel...@gmail.comwrote: 2014-04-27 21:08 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: I think a bigger situation is that I don't see how this could possibly be ADA compliant: How does a blind person pass? We could add audio challenges - but that's not needed since the context and target sites where ReMAPTCHA is designed for, are geospatial websites and graphic editors. I think there would need to be audio challenges. There are projects for helping make OSM accessible to people who are vision impaired, this includes information on the OSM wiki. -S. 2014-04-27 21:08 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:21 AM, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: I'm worried about bots still having a very high chance of sucess. With two fairly-legible words in the image and a chalenge asking me to write either one of the words or both, a bot still has 33% chance of success if answering randomly, wich is high enough that bot authors won't even bother trying to smartly interpret the map. I think a bigger situation is that I don't see how this could possibly be ADA compliant: How does a blind person pass? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Tagging natural or informal swimming holes?
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 02:07:15PM +0100, Philip Barnes wrote: On Thu, 2014-04-24 at 23:03 -0700, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: How best should I tag informal swimming areas? These typically have no lifeguard or facilities. An example deep-content site for these types of holes is: http://www.iforgotthename.com/ In OSM is it best to create an area and tag sport=swimming/name=/access=/fee=no? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:sport%3Dswimming Forgetting the tagging for a moment, is it not irresponsible to be mapping and thus being seen as encouraging such activities? Every year when there is hot weather there are warnings not to swim in lakes and rivers, and these are inevitably followed by reports in the media of a tragic loss of life. The last thing OSM needs is to be seen as contributing to such tragedies. a good map can prevent some tragedies by mapping hazards and places which are better suited than others. Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] ReMAPTCHA Demo BETA 0.2 online! (Was: Hate captchas!!!!)
Hi Stefan, On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 2:45 AM, Stefan Keller sfkel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Kate 2014-04-28 7:40 GMT+02:00 Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com: I think there would need to be audio challenges. There are projects for helping make OSM accessible to people who are vision impaired, this includes information on the OSM wiki. I understand. But audio is a complete different technology and our project wanted to focus on visual clues. Sorry I should have been more specific. I just meant that when/if it was integrated into the various OSM tools it would be important to make sure an audio tool was also available. Thanks, -Kate Yours, Stefan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Invisible character LRM in some website values
Today I found out a *funny* thing. It seems some values for the keys 'website' and 'contact:website' have a LRM character at it's end. That's not something good because it corrupts the URL. (example) On taginfo: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=website%3D%E2%80%8E Example of an overpass to find this: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/3bW I manually fixed these things on Brazil, could someone fix this on the rest of the world? You will most likely need an automated solution, because there are around 400 cases of this left. It seems this also affect other keys (like phonehttp://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=phone%3D%E2%80%8E), but the problem is not as bad as in the keys 'website' and 'contact:website'. Cheers, John ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?
On 28 April 2014 14:23, Michael Gratton m...@vee.net wrote: So you are saying the ABS suburb boundaries should be checked individually rather than imported en mass? How do you know that the quality of the GNB/Wikipedia/etc data is any better than that of the ABS dataset where they disagree? Yes. Firstly, the ABS data is several years out of date. The GNB is the authoritative source for whether a suburb exists or not. Comparing several sources - council, gazette, ABS, GNB - if they concur, then you've probably got something accurate on your hands. If they disagree, then further research is in order, and it is possible that there may not be an open and accurate data source for that suburb boundary. Take the opportunity to fix Wikipedia at the same time. Coastlines, waterway boundaries are also an issue. On a related note, what's the appropriate way to map suburb-sized areas that are partitions? A way for each suburb that share nodes along common borders, a way for each suburb that don't duplicate nodes along common borders, or using a single way for the border and using a relation? Yes. Hopefully we will have access to the accurate and official suburb boundaries in Sydney in an open format sometime in the future (like we have for other cities). Then this problem will go away. I literally just heard back from LPI about my enquiry: LPI is currently reviewing the licencing framework and will be in a better position to answer your query within the next 4 to 6 weeks, so maybe we will have the data sooner rather than later. I've asked if I can make a submission to whoever is doing the review, will post the details there if I get them so we can canvas for a good outcome. If we have the definitive suburb boundaries, then yes, they are definitive. We already have the definitive information for a number of Australian cities, and this is goodness. The ABS data has numerous problems, right around the country. From inaccuracies to completely fictitious regions. It's made for stats, and I'd be opposed to a blind import, and I think I can back up that position. Ian. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?
On Mon, 28 Apr, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 April 2014 14:23, Michael Gratton m...@vee.net wrote: So you are saying the ABS suburb boundaries should be checked individually rather than imported en mass? How do you know that the quality of the GNB/Wikipedia/etc data is any better than that of the ABS dataset where they disagree? Yes. Firstly, the ABS data is several years out of date. The GNB is the authoritative source for whether a suburb exists or not. Comparing several sources - council, gazette, ABS, GNB - if they concur, then you've probably got something accurate on your hands. So how accurate does it have to be? For example, I just downloaded Andrew's ABS OSM converted datafile (thanks Andrew!), loaded it into JOSM, and have been eyeballing the differences for the ABS version of Randwick with the LPI cadastre using in SIX Maps. It's confidence is rated very good and I can see that the ABS data matches quite well, but it's missing fine details such as where the suburb falls entirely one one side of road rather than the centerline, and some corners are a bit off. Does this matter? //Mike ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?
On 28 Apr 2014, at 10:48 pm, Michael Gratton m...@vee.ne So how accurate does it have to be? For example, I just downloaded Andrew's ABS OSM converted datafile (thanks Andrew!), loaded it into JOSM, and have been eyeballing the differences for the ABS version of Randwick with the LPI cadastre using in SIX Maps. It's confidence is rated very good and I can see that the ABS data matches quite well, but it's missing fine details such as where the suburb falls entirely one one side of road rather than the centerline, and some corners are a bit off. When I'm doing a suburb boundary I think it's minimally important that each property is in the correct suburb. So sometimes that makes the road the boundary. At other times the property line not facing the road. I don't hesitate to modify the ABS data accordingly. What we are mapping is our very best estimate of where the suburb boundary lies. This is especially true for coastline. I think this is the best we can hope for with the data we have available to us today. Ian. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?
On 28 Apr 2014, at 1:53 pm, Michael Gratton m...@vee.net wrote: On a related note, what's the appropriate way to map suburb-sized areas that are partitions? A way for each suburb that share nodes along common borders, a way for each suburb that don't duplicate nodes along common borders, or using a single way for the border and using a relation? I might express and opinion about suburb mapping as I’ve done a fair bit of “mapping for the validator” which I suppose is not evil, unlike mapping for the renderer. I’d prefer relations that depend on single ways, this avoids JOSM complaining too much about duplicate ways and can also tie into the definition in words that might belong in Wikipedia. If appropriate ways do not exist, then create ways can be untagged or have a “ref=“ tag to indicate what they mean e.g. “Centreline of Smith Road” or “Southern side of Smith Road” etc that corresponds to their actual definition. Then build the relation (suburb) and super-relation (Postcode, LGA area) etc on top of these. As to the type of relation as “boundary” or “multipolygon” I’ve still not figured out which is best. Alex ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?
On 29 April 2014 11:02, Alex Sims a...@softgrow.com wrote: I’d prefer relations that depend on single ways, this avoids JOSM complaining too much about duplicate ways and can also tie into the definition in words that might belong in Wikipedia. Yes. I general I do too. However, we should only use the way when it does represent the boundary, not because it happens to physically coincide with it. Usually this is apparent from the data. If appropriate ways do not exist, then create ways can be untagged or have a “ref=“ tag to indicate what they mean e.g. “Centreline of Smith Road” or “Southern side of Smith Road” etc that corresponds to their actual definition. Then build the relation (suburb) and super-relation (Postcode, LGA area) etc on top of these. I agree we can build the relations on these. Super-relations aren't well supported, and I see no need for them here. The LGA should be separate relation utilising the same ways. This is the only way I've seen it done, and it works well. Postcode relations? Well, if you are keen. However at least as far as Sydney goes, each suburb belongs to a single postcode, and I think it works well to just be a appropriate tag on the suburb relation. As to the type of relation as “boundary” or “multipolygon” I’ve still not figured out which is best. No winners here. Even the validators disagree. I've been known to use both. Ian. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?
I have intentions of following the British structure for QLD boundaries (no permission to use this dataset yet). Boundary is the chosen type there: http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1464290 multipolygon, though, is winning that race it seems: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/type As to the type of relation as “boundary” or “multipolygon” I’ve still not figured out which is best. No winners here. Even the validators disagree. I've been known to use both. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?
On 29 April 2014 12:56, Jason Ward jasonjwa...@gmail.com wrote: I have intentions of following the British structure for QLD boundaries (no permission to use this dataset yet). Boundary is the chosen type there: http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1464290 multipolygon, though, is winning that race it seems: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/type I don't think that indicates multipolygon type is more popular than a boundary type for a relation defining a boundary. Multipolygons have extensive usage independent of boundaries. I suspect the only reason that boundary is even in the race, is due to some large imports. The issue stems from overloading of the meaning of 'type', in the relation definition. Multipolygon uses 'type' as defining the geometry of a relation. This appears to be the original usage. And a boundary clearly has this geometry. So, if 'type' refers to geometry - as it did originally - then boundary should never have been used as a type, and it should just have been a multipolygon. This usage isn't apparent from the word 'type', and you can see why the person who came along and created boundaries thought they were a of a different type, even though they were of the same geometry. And if type was meant to define the geometry, then it would have been a idea to use a different tag originally. Now we have type being used with both meanings. Ian. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-br] Nova versão do Mapas Coletivos
Sim, mapas temáticos são muito úteis. Em 28 de abril de 2014 00:02, Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.comescreveu: Ótimo, muito legal que saber que é útil para vocês! Abraço 2014-04-27 21:15 GMT-03:00 Erick de Oliveira Leal erickdeoliveiral...@gmail.com: Vitor, muito legal. Eu acabei de criar um mapa pra minha amiga do Rio, ela virá pra cá e queria saber os pontos turisticos, eu marquei e passei pra ela o link: http://www.mapascoletivos.com.br/layers/535d974b32b540b33f87afc7/ Em 24 de março de 2014 15:15, Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.comescreveu: Olá, Agora é possível customizar ícones, desenhar polígonos e importar arquivos no Mapas Coletivos: www.mapascoletivos.com.br Vitor 2014-03-18 16:44 GMT-03:00 Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com: Oi pessoal, Hoje o Ecolab, laboratório de inovação em jornalismo que faço parte, lançou a nova versão do Mapas Coletivos, uma plataforma de publicação de mapas web. Vejam lá: www.mapascoletivos.com.br O código está no GitHub. Fiquem a vontade para abrir issues: https://github.com/oeco/mapascoletivos Obrigado, Vitor ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
[Talk-br] Novo kit de compilação Garmin
Amigos, Disponibilizamos novo kit de compilação de mapas Garmin a partir da base OSM com as seguintes melhorias: - colocadas instruções para compilação de conjuntos personalizados; - atualizado o mkgmap para a versão v3230; - upload automático via ftp (requer login e senha); - o nome dos gmapsupp incluem a data no formato japonês (-MM-DD), para que os arquivos sejam naturalmente ordenados pela ordem cronológica; - tratamento correto às vias não pavimentadas (aparência diferente e velocidade reduzida). http://www.cocardl.com.br/viewtopic.php?f=23t=114 Aproveitem para conferir as recentes compilações: http://www.cocardl.com.br/viewforum.php?f=52 abraço, Paulo Carvalho ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Nova versão do Mapas Coletivos
Com certeza! Mas, por motivos que desconheço, não consigo que as camadas de tiles do IBGE (rural e urbano) funcionem: http://www.mapascoletivos.com.br/maps/535e591232b540b33f87b007/ Alexandre Magno Em 28 de abril de 2014 08:01, Paulo Carvalho paulo.r.m.carva...@gmail.comescreveu: Sim, mapas temáticos são muito úteis. Em 28 de abril de 2014 00:02, Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.comescreveu: Ótimo, muito legal que saber que é útil para vocês! Abraço 2014-04-27 21:15 GMT-03:00 Erick de Oliveira Leal erickdeoliveiral...@gmail.com: Vitor, muito legal. Eu acabei de criar um mapa pra minha amiga do Rio, ela virá pra cá e queria saber os pontos turisticos, eu marquei e passei pra ela o link: http://www.mapascoletivos.com.br/layers/535d974b32b540b33f87afc7/ Em 24 de março de 2014 15:15, Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.comescreveu: Olá, Agora é possível customizar ícones, desenhar polígonos e importar arquivos no Mapas Coletivos: www.mapascoletivos.com.br Vitor 2014-03-18 16:44 GMT-03:00 Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com: Oi pessoal, Hoje o Ecolab, laboratório de inovação em jornalismo que faço parte, lançou a nova versão do Mapas Coletivos, uma plataforma de publicação de mapas web. Vejam lá: www.mapascoletivos.com.br O código está no GitHub. Fiquem a vontade para abrir issues: https://github.com/oeco/mapascoletivos Obrigado, Vitor ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Novo kit de compilação Garmin
Paulo... O Márcio esta ajustando o TYP e eu testando os POLY, dentre as poly que vc disponibilizou ali: - A BR de 5 k, funciona,MAS no mapa ela pega todas as fronteiras dos Países vizinhos, - A Brasil_Nelson.poly, esta como vc ajustou agora, ao começar compilar com ela, já da erro e cai fora, logo pq esta deve estar extrapolando os 6.( No futuro se ajustar o programa lá pra extrapolar estes 60mil, que sabe este poly seja exata) - A Brasil_26k_pontos.poly, esta sim, aquela que montei, agora independente de ser a primeira ou segunda vez que compila ele já pega esta, e esta sim, só aparece Brasil S, na pesquisa de países. Assim só renomeei ela para BR.poly pro BAT puxar ela. Pode que esta tenha alguma coisa fora, como vc já tem ai a origem dela feita no JOSM se alguém reclamar de alguma divisa é fácil, editar ela e ajustar no JOSM e transformar em Poly denovo. [] Anor ___ Anor C. A. de Souza Concórdia SC 49-8808-4963 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 08:10:25 -0300 From: paulo.r.m.carva...@gmail.com To: talk-br@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-br] Novo kit de compilação Garmin Amigos, Disponibilizamos novo kit de compilação de mapas Garmin a partir da base OSM com as seguintes melhorias: colocadas instruções para compilação de conjuntos personalizados; atualizado o mkgmap para a versão v3230;upload automático via ftp (requer login e senha);o nome dos gmapsupp incluem a data no formato japonês (-MM-DD), para que os arquivos sejam naturalmente ordenados pela ordem cronológica; tratamento correto às vias não pavimentadas (aparência diferente e velocidade reduzida). http://www.cocardl.com.br/viewtopic.php?f=23t=114 Aproveitem para conferir as recentes compilações: http://www.cocardl.com.br/viewforum.php?f=52 abraço, Paulo Carvalho ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
[Talk-br] Mapa Perfeito
Ótimo atualizar o mapa, e ver que os erros informados nas minhas notas em BH foram corrigidos,conto com o apoio de todos,pois o meu objetivo,é deixar o mapa perfeito na área interna da Avenida Do Contorno, onde é muito complicado chegar a um determinado endereço, para quem não conhece bem a região. ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Mapa Perfeito
Tenho certeza que a comunidade é quem agradece a confiança, você acreditar e doar seu tempo. Eles, técnicos, acreditam e fazem. O que é mais difícil acontecer com pessoas que simplesmente querem um mapa para usar, como você, mas não tem motivações técnicas/ideológicas. Alexandre Magno Em 28 de abril de 2014 12:11, Gerson Barcelos gbst...@gmail.com escreveu: Ótimo atualizar o mapa, e ver que os erros informados nas minhas notas em BH foram corrigidos,conto com o apoio de todos,pois o meu objetivo,é deixar o mapa perfeito na área interna da Avenida Do Contorno, onde é muito complicado chegar a um determinado endereço, para quem não conhece bem a região. ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
[Talk-br] Mapa Perfeito
Obrigado Alexandre Magno, seria uma aventura irresponsável da minha parte,tentar editar erros no mapa;exceto nomear ruas,o que consigo fazer com segurança. ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Mapa Perfeito
Gerson, não tenha medo em tentar realizar edições, elas são revisadas (ao menos em teoria; aqui no Rio de Janeiro eu faço esse trabalho), caso você cometa algum erro é simples consertar, e você pode aproveitar para tirar dúvidas com quem corrigir. Mais especificamente, eu não terei tempo de revisar suas alterações em BH, mas tenho certeza que outros mapeadores locais experientes poderão fazê-lo. []s Arlindo 2014-04-28 13:25 GMT-03:00 Gerson Barcelos gbst...@gmail.com: Obrigado Alexandre Magno, seria uma aventura irresponsável da minha parte,tentar editar erros no mapa;exceto nomear ruas,o que consigo fazer com segurança. ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
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Arlindo, Mas se ele não tem o tempo para *estudar*, fazer para ser revertido é desestimulante. A pessoa investe (perde) tempo em fazer errado e descartável. Eu não estou falando que ele não possa fazer edições simples, tais como trocas de nome e criação de POIs (dos mais comuns e fáceis). Mas quando a coisa vai para o lado da necessidade de qualquer classificação, aí não tem jeito, não dá nem pra ver o fim da curva [?]. Alexandre Magno Em 28 de abril de 2014 13:36, Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com escreveu: Gerson, não tenha medo em tentar realizar edições, elas são revisadas (ao menos em teoria; aqui no Rio de Janeiro eu faço esse trabalho), caso você cometa algum erro é simples consertar, e você pode aproveitar para tirar dúvidas com quem corrigir. Mais especificamente, eu não terei tempo de revisar suas alterações em BH, mas tenho certeza que outros mapeadores locais experientes poderão fazê-lo. []s Arlindo ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Mapa Perfeito
Mas nada sera revertido por um erro de classificação. Em 28/04/2014 13:57, Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros alexandre@gmail.com escreveu: Arlindo, Mas se ele não tem o tempo para *estudar*, fazer para ser revertido é desestimulante. A pessoa investe (perde) tempo em fazer errado e descartável. Eu não estou falando que ele não possa fazer edições simples, tais como trocas de nome e criação de POIs (dos mais comuns e fáceis). Mas quando a coisa vai para o lado da necessidade de qualquer classificação, aí não tem jeito, não dá nem pra ver o fim da curva [?]. Alexandre Magno Em 28 de abril de 2014 13:36, Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com escreveu: Gerson, não tenha medo em tentar realizar edições, elas são revisadas (ao menos em teoria; aqui no Rio de Janeiro eu faço esse trabalho), caso você cometa algum erro é simples consertar, e você pode aproveitar para tirar dúvidas com quem corrigir. Mais especificamente, eu não terei tempo de revisar suas alterações em BH, mas tenho certeza que outros mapeadores locais experientes poderão fazê-lo. []s Arlindo ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
[Talk-br] Mapa Perfeito
Mais uma vez,obrigado pelo apoio Arlindo,com o tempo vou adquirindo confiança, e se tiver alguma dúvida, peço ajuda a comunidade. ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Mapa Perfeito
E o que motiva reversões? Em 28 de abril de 2014 14:01, Erick de Oliveira Leal erickdeoliveiral...@gmail.com escreveu: Mas nada sera revertido por um erro de classificação. ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
[Talk-br] Mapa Perfeito
Já que você está me incentivando, Arlindo, o tutorial que você me enviou sobre o vespucci é muito fácil de entender, porém quando tento alterar a mão de direção de uma determinada quadra de uma rua não consigo faze-lo,isoladamente, ou seja se a rua tiver três quadras de mão única naquela direção todas são alteradas,(morro de medo de apagar os nós ou mover as linhas rsrs.),sr puder me enviar ajuda,agradeço;a propósito o que seria um erro de classificação Eric? ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
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Ah um erro de classificação eh vc criar um ponto com nome igreja e definir o tipo dele como lanchonete, ou você criar uma rua residencial q não tem muita importancia e classificar ela como de tipo principal. Mas isso eh facilmente corrigido. E acredito que muito melhor algo mais ou menos mapeado do que nada mapeado. Em 28/04/2014 14:18, Gerson Barcelos gbst...@gmail.com escreveu: Já que você está me incentivando, Arlindo, o tutorial que você me enviou sobre o vespucci é muito fácil de entender, porém quando tento alterar a mão de direção de uma determinada quadra de uma rua não consigo faze-lo,isoladamente, ou seja se a rua tiver três quadras de mão única naquela direção todas são alteradas,(morro de medo de apagar os nós ou mover as linhas rsrs.),sr puder me enviar ajuda,agradeço;a propósito o que seria um erro de classificação Eric? ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
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Uuuum não sou especialista. Mas muitos casos podem levar a reversão ne... Ate isso que você falou sobre classificação. Mas acredito que com bom senso poucos erros surgem e só são corrigidos. O trabalho não eh perdido mas corrigido. Em 28/04/2014 14:18, Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros alexandre@gmail.com escreveu: E o que motiva reversões? Em 28 de abril de 2014 14:01, Erick de Oliveira Leal erickdeoliveiral...@gmail.com escreveu: Mas nada sera revertido por um erro de classificação. ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
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Nesse caso você precisa quebrar a linha em duas ou três partes, dependendo do caso. Assim que eu tiver um tempinho aqui vou fazer e te aviso. []s Arlindo 2014-04-28 14:18 GMT-03:00 Gerson Barcelos gbst...@gmail.com: Já que você está me incentivando, Arlindo, o tutorial que você me enviou sobre o vespucci é muito fácil de entender, porém quando tento alterar a mão de direção de uma determinada quadra de uma rua não consigo faze-lo,isoladamente, ou seja se a rua tiver três quadras de mão única naquela direção todas são alteradas,(morro de medo de apagar os nós ou mover as linhas rsrs.),sr puder me enviar ajuda,agradeço;a propósito o que seria um erro de classificação Eric? ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
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É facilmente corrigido se for em bem pequena escala, como quase que só isso no conjunto de alterações (changeset). Mas no mais eu concordo com você. O Gerson também está com um medo exagerado, para o tipo de edição que interessa a ele. Alexandre Magno Em 28 de abril de 2014 14:21, Erick de Oliveira Leal erickdeoliveiral...@gmail.com escreveu: Ah um erro de classificação eh vc criar um ponto com nome igreja e definir o tipo dele como lanchonete, ou você criar uma rua residencial q não tem muita importancia e classificar ela como de tipo principal. Mas isso eh facilmente corrigido. E acredito que muito melhor algo mais ou menos mapeado do que nada mapeado. ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Novo kit de compilação Garmin
Vou ajustar o BAT para usar sua .poly e subir nova versão do kit. Desculpe, esqueci. obrigado, Paulo Em 28 de abril de 2014 11:43, A. Carlos anorcar...@hotmail.com escreveu: Paulo... O Márcio esta ajustando o TYP e eu testando os POLY, dentre as poly que vc disponibilizou ali: - A BR de 5 k, funciona,MAS no mapa ela pega todas as fronteiras dos Países vizinhos, - A Brasil_Nelson.poly, esta como vc ajustou agora, ao começar compilar com ela, já da erro e cai fora, logo pq esta deve estar extrapolando os 6.( No futuro se ajustar o programa lá pra extrapolar estes 60mil, que sabe este poly seja exata) - A Brasil_26k_pontos.poly, esta sim, aquela que montei, agora independente de ser a primeira ou segunda vez que compila ele já pega esta, e esta sim, só aparece Brasil S, na pesquisa de países. Assim só renomeei ela para BR.poly pro BAT puxar ela. Pode que esta tenha alguma coisa fora, como vc já tem ai a origem dela feita no JOSM se alguém reclamar de alguma divisa é fácil, editar ela e ajustar no JOSM e transformar em Poly denovo. [] Anor *___* *Anor C. A. de Souza Co* *ncórdia SC * 49-8808-4963 -- Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 08:10:25 -0300 From: paulo.r.m.carva...@gmail.com To: talk-br@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-br] Novo kit de compilação Garmin Amigos, Disponibilizamos novo kit de compilação de mapas Garmin a partir da base OSM com as seguintes melhorias: - colocadas instruções para compilação de conjuntos personalizados; - atualizado o mkgmap para a versão v3230; - upload automático via ftp (requer login e senha); - o nome dos gmapsupp incluem a data no formato japonês (-MM-DD), para que os arquivos sejam naturalmente ordenados pela ordem cronológica; - tratamento correto às vias não pavimentadas (aparência diferente e velocidade reduzida). http://www.cocardl.com.br/viewtopic.php?f=23t=114 Aproveitem para conferir as recentes compilações: http://www.cocardl.com.br/viewforum.php?f=52 abraço, Paulo Carvalho ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Novo kit de compilação Garmin
Feito! []s Paulo Em 28 de abril de 2014 20:30, Paulo Carvalho paulo.r.m.carva...@gmail.comescreveu: Vou ajustar o BAT para usar sua .poly e subir nova versão do kit. Desculpe, esqueci. obrigado, Paulo Em 28 de abril de 2014 11:43, A. Carlos anorcar...@hotmail.com escreveu: Paulo... O Márcio esta ajustando o TYP e eu testando os POLY, dentre as poly que vc disponibilizou ali: - A BR de 5 k, funciona,MAS no mapa ela pega todas as fronteiras dos Países vizinhos, - A Brasil_Nelson.poly, esta como vc ajustou agora, ao começar compilar com ela, já da erro e cai fora, logo pq esta deve estar extrapolando os 6.( No futuro se ajustar o programa lá pra extrapolar estes 60mil, que sabe este poly seja exata) - A Brasil_26k_pontos.poly, esta sim, aquela que montei, agora independente de ser a primeira ou segunda vez que compila ele já pega esta, e esta sim, só aparece Brasil S, na pesquisa de países. Assim só renomeei ela para BR.poly pro BAT puxar ela. Pode que esta tenha alguma coisa fora, como vc já tem ai a origem dela feita no JOSM se alguém reclamar de alguma divisa é fácil, editar ela e ajustar no JOSM e transformar em Poly denovo. [] Anor *___* *Anor C. A. de Souza Co* *ncórdia SC * 49-8808-4963 -- Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 08:10:25 -0300 From: paulo.r.m.carva...@gmail.com To: talk-br@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-br] Novo kit de compilação Garmin Amigos, Disponibilizamos novo kit de compilação de mapas Garmin a partir da base OSM com as seguintes melhorias: - colocadas instruções para compilação de conjuntos personalizados; - atualizado o mkgmap para a versão v3230; - upload automático via ftp (requer login e senha); - o nome dos gmapsupp incluem a data no formato japonês (-MM-DD), para que os arquivos sejam naturalmente ordenados pela ordem cronológica; - tratamento correto às vias não pavimentadas (aparência diferente e velocidade reduzida). http://www.cocardl.com.br/viewtopic.php?f=23t=114 Aproveitem para conferir as recentes compilações: http://www.cocardl.com.br/viewforum.php?f=52 abraço, Paulo Carvalho ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM: Tags = Schlagwörter
Hallo. Am 27.04.2014 13:59, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Gibt es andere Software oder Dokumentation im OSM-Umfeld, in der Tags als Schlagwörter bezeichnet werden? Im OSM-Umfeld stimme ich zu, dass das keinen Sinn macht. Bei E-Mail-Programmen und Weblogs ist die Übersetzung tag = Schlagwort gebräuchlich. Da geht es ja um die Verschlagwortung zum Zwecke des Wiederfindens. Ist eine ganz andere Baustelle, nutzt aber den selben englischen Begriff. Gruß, Bernd signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM: Tags = Schlagwörter
Am 28. April 2014 06:25 schrieb Dirk Sohler s...@0x7be.de: Frederik Ramm schrieb: Findet irgendjemand das gut […] Nein. „Tag“ ist, wie viele andere Begriffe, eine Etablierte Bezeichnung. Auch, wenn „Schlagwort“ eine angemessen sinnvolle Übersetzung darstellt, ist „Tag“ die bessere, weil eben etablierte Bezeichnung. Zum Internet sagt ja auch (hoffentlich) niemand „Weltnetz“, auch, wenn die Übersetzung passt :) Da sich mir nach fast 6 Jahren bei OSM immer noch ein innerer Widerstand aufbaut, wenn ich hier Tag schreibe und nicht den Wochentag meine, wäre ich für eine Übersetzung. Attribut oder Eigenschaft fände ich passend. Schlagwort ist etwas anderes und daher nicht geeignet. Gruß Falk ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM: Tags = Schlagwörter
Hi, On 04/28/2014 09:20 AM, Falk Zscheile wrote: Nein. „Tag“ ist, wie viele andere Begriffe, eine Etablierte Bezeichnung. Auch, wenn „Schlagwort“ eine angemessen sinnvolle Übersetzung darstellt, ist „Tag“ die bessere, weil eben etablierte Bezeichnung. Zum Internet sagt ja auch (hoffentlich) niemand „Weltnetz“, auch, wenn die Übersetzung passt :) Da sich mir nach fast 6 Jahren bei OSM immer noch ein innerer Widerstand aufbaut, wenn ich hier Tag schreibe und nicht den Wochentag meine, wäre ich für eine Übersetzung. Attribut oder Eigenschaft fände ich passend. Schlagwort ist etwas anderes und daher nicht geeignet. Ich muss vielleicht doch etwas weiter ausholen. Im Grunde bin ich der Meinung, wie sie hier von Dirk, Bernd, Lukas und anderen vertreten wurde - ich würde Tag gar nicht übersetzen (und auch nicht Node oder Way). Aber ich musste schon vor Jahren einsehen, dass der Zug abgefahren ist - Leute wie ich benutzen halt einfach die englische Software, und die alles muss Deutsch-Fraktion hat die Mehrheit der Zielgruppe hinter sich, wenn sie das in Knoten, Wege und Eigenschaften übersetzt. Ich glaube, daran, dass diese Begriffe *irgendwie* übersetzt werden, kann man nicht mehr rütteln; ich finde das nach wie vor nicht gut, aber ich akzeptiere das. Mein spezieller Stein des Anstosses war nicht, dass Tag überhaupt übersetzt wird - an Übersetzungen wie Eigenschaft hatte ich mich inzwischen gewöhnt - sondern dass die Übersetzung Schlagwort benutzt wurde. Ich habe gerade die komplette Übersetzungsdatei von JOSM vor mir, und da ist an vielen Stellen furchtbares Durcheinander. Das Wort Tag wird mal mit Merkmal, mal mit Schlagwort und mal mit Eigenschaft übersetzt. Die Sache wird dadurch nicht leichter, dass im Englischen zuweilen auch von features oder properties die Rede ist -- es ist denkbar, dass irgendjemand sich überlegt hat: ok, wenn ich 'properties' mit 'Eigenschaften' übersetze, kann ich 'tags' nicht auch mit 'Eigenschaften' übersetzen... - obwohl, soweit ich sehen kann, properties in der englischen Version synonym mit tags oder mit tag-value-combinations benutzt wird. Und dann gibt es solche Kniffligkeiten wie Try copying tags from properties table - da muss ich quasi in den Source gucken, um zu schauen, was da gemeint ist. Kann man also vielleicht den Übersetzern nicht verübeln, wenn sie dann aus Verzweiflung mit Schlagworten anfangen. Wen's interessiert, der kann hier http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/josm_josm-de.po die komplette aktuelle Übersetzung einsehen (man kann die bei Launchpad runterladen und auch bearbeiten, muss sich dafür aber erst anmelden). Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM: Tags = Schlagwörter
Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: gerade ist mir aufgefallen, dass mein JOSM, wenn ich ihn auf Deutsch einstelle, die Tags neuerdings als Schlagwörter bezeichnet. Jepp, das ist mir auch schon negativ aufgefallen. Als nächstes lokalisieren wir dann auch die keys und values :P Sven -- The term any key does not refer to a particular key on the keyboard. It simply means to strike any one of the keys on your keyboard or handheld screen. (Compaq FAQ Entry 2859) /me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM: Tags = Schlagwörter
Falk Zscheile falk.zsche...@gmail.com wrote: Da sich mir nach fast 6 Jahren bei OSM immer noch ein innerer Widerstand aufbaut, wenn ich hier Tag schreibe und nicht den Wochentag meine, wäre ich für eine Übersetzung. Aha, und bei Montageanleitungen kommt es Dir dann vermutlich auch jedesmal komisch vor, wenn nicht gerade Montag ist %-/ Gruss Sven -- Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly (Henry Spencer) /me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM: Tags = Schlagwörter
Am 28. April 2014 10:03 schrieb Sven Geggus li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.de: Falk Zscheile falk.zsche...@gmail.com wrote: Da sich mir nach fast 6 Jahren bei OSM immer noch ein innerer Widerstand aufbaut, wenn ich hier Tag schreibe und nicht den Wochentag meine, wäre ich für eine Übersetzung. Aha, und bei Montageanleitungen kommt es Dir dann vermutlich auch jedesmal komisch vor, wenn nicht gerade Montag ist %-/ Wenn ich hier der einzige bin, dem es so geht, dann ist es ja gut. Glaube ich aber nicht. Vielleicht deshalb mit Polemik etwas zurückhalten, damit hier nicht gleich alle sagen oh diskutieren macht ja hier eh keinen Sinn, man ernete nur bissige Bemerkungen. Noch weniger Hilfreich sind die Bemerkungen von Dirk a la Weltnetz -- Todschlagargument. Bis unser T(t)ag so allgemein verbreitet ist wie der Begriff Internet hat OSM noch einen weiten Weg vor sich. Also: Wer eine Übersetzung generell für falsch hält, der soll sich doch bitte an die englische JOSM-Version halten. Alle anderen können gern weiter darüber nachdenken, ob es für T(t)ag eine bessere Übersetzung als Schlagwort gibt, oder ob es als Fachbegriff nicht übersetzt werden sollte. Wobei T(t)ag im deutschen nicht besonders intuitiv ist. Das Zeile einer Übersetzung ist doch aber die leichtere Verständlichkeit. Daher meine Vorschläge Attribut oder Eigenschaft. Gruß Falk ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM: Tags = Schlagwörter
On 28. April 2014 10:26:44 MESZ, Falk Zscheile falk.zsche...@gmail.com wrote: Am 28. April 2014 10:03 schrieb Sven Geggus li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.de: Falk Zscheile falk.zsche...@gmail.com wrote: Da sich mir nach fast 6 Jahren bei OSM immer noch ein innerer Widerstand aufbaut, wenn ich hier Tag schreibe und nicht den Wochentag meine, wäre ich für eine Übersetzung. Aha, und bei Montageanleitungen kommt es Dir dann vermutlich auch jedesmal komisch vor, wenn nicht gerade Montag ist %-/ Wenn ich hier der einzige bin, dem es so geht, dann ist es ja gut. Glaube ich aber nicht. Vielleicht deshalb mit Polemik etwas zurückhalten, damit hier nicht gleich alle sagen oh diskutieren macht ja hier eh keinen Sinn, man ernete nur bissige Bemerkungen. Noch weniger Hilfreich sind die Bemerkungen von Dirk a la Weltnetz -- Todschlagargument. Bis unser T(t)ag so allgemein verbreitet ist wie der Begriff Internet hat OSM noch einen weiten Weg vor sich. Also: Wer eine Übersetzung generell für falsch hält, der soll sich doch bitte an die englische JOSM-Version halten. Alle anderen können gern weiter darüber nachdenken, ob es für T(t)ag eine bessere Übersetzung als Schlagwort gibt, oder ob es als Fachbegriff nicht übersetzt werden sollte. Wobei T(t)ag im deutschen nicht besonders intuitiv ist. Das Zeile einer Übersetzung ist doch aber die leichtere Verständlichkeit. Daher meine Vorschläge Attribut oder Eigenschaft. Also mir brauch man das tag nicht übersetzen. Im Gegenteil verwirt mich da eine Übersetzung, da für mich tag schon Alltagssprache ist. Sei es beim taggen (denglisch) von Mediafiles mit einem Tageditor, oder auch bei der beruflich genutzten Software wo diverse Dinge mit tags versehen werden. Grüße René ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM: Tags = Schlagwörter
Falk Zscheile falk.zsche...@gmail.com wrote: Also: Wer eine Übersetzung generell für falsch hält, der soll sich doch bitte an die englische JOSM-Version halten. Ich verwende mein Betriebssystem seit vielen Jahren in der deutschen Lokalisierung, weil das nun mal meine Muttersprache ist. Am Anfang gab es auch da massive Stilblüten. Beispielsweise wurde Interrupt in der Ausgabe von ifconfig mit Unterbrechung übersetzt. Inzwischen heißt das aber wieder Interrupt und alles ist gut. Worauf ich raus möchte: Lokalisierung ist super, wenn Sie dem Benutzer hilft. Wenn sie aber dazu führt, dass der Benutzer Fachtermini nicht mehr einordnen kann, dann ist sie über das Ziel hinausgeschossen. Im Falle der tags finde ich, dass das wie bei Interrupt der Fall ist. Mit Schlagwörtern assoziiere ich eine ganze Menge, die key-value tags an Objekten bei osm gehören aber nicht dazu. Daher muss der weg. Schon der Begriff Objekteigenschaften oder Merkmale wäre IMO besser als Schlagwörter, wenn man den englischen Begriff partout nicht beibehalten möchte. Ich frage mich angesichts mancher Postinsg hier warum unsere domain eigentlich openstreetmap.de ist und nicht offenestrassenkarte.de In der Übersetzung von josm wäre das dann schlagworte.offenestrassenkarte.de *aua* Gruss Sven -- Das Einzige wovor wir Angst haben müssen ist die Angst selbst (Franklin D. Roosevelt) /me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM: Tags = Schlagwörter
Am 28. April 2014 13:48 schrieb Sven Geggus li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.de: Worauf ich raus möchte: Lokalisierung ist super, wenn Sie dem Benutzer hilft. Wenn sie aber dazu führt, dass der Benutzer Fachtermini nicht mehr einordnen kann, dann ist sie über das Ziel hinausgeschossen. Soweit sind wir uns einig. Im Falle der tags finde ich, dass das wie bei Interrupt der Fall ist. Mit Schlagwörtern assoziiere ich eine ganze Menge, die key-value tags an Objekten bei osm gehören aber nicht dazu. Auch hier sind wir konform. Daher muss der weg. Schon der Begriff Objekteigenschaften oder Merkmale wäre IMO besser als Schlagwörter, wenn man den englischen Begriff partout nicht beibehalten möchte. Was denkt ihr, sollte man vielleicht eine Umfrage starten, um die am wenigsten Abgelehnte Übersetzung von Tag herauszufinden? Oder warten wir einfach zu, bis jemand einfach Ändert und damit einen neuen Vorschlag in den Ring wirft? Gruß Falk ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM: Tags = Schlagwörter
Nochmal hallo. Nachdem die Diskussion ja doch nicht so eindeutig verläuft wie ich zunächst erwartet hätte (gegen die Übersetzung des Wortes Tag bzw. Tags, hier noch ein paar weitere Argumente: - Das Wiki ist teilweise übersetzt, normalerweise wird aber auch hier und auch auf den deutschsprachigen Seiten der Begriff Tag verwendet, soweit ich das sehe. Da damit die primäre Dokumentations-Resource für Mapper keine Übersetzung verwendet, sollte IMHO auch eine Software wie JOSM keine Übersetzung verwenden. - Im Gespräch mit anderen Mappern - ob im Chat, im Forum, auf den Mailinglisten oder anderswo wird üblicherweise das Wort Tag einfach genutzt. Zugegeben: Das sind meist Mapper, im Durchschnitt vermutlich auch eher erfahrenere - trotzdem sind Anfänger auch hier mit dem Wort so konfrontiert. Deshalb halte ich die Übersetzung für falsch. Die Fachsprache von OSM existiert, und sie gezielt vor Anfängern zu verstecken hilft meines Erachtens nicht. Wenn sie tatsächlich die Einstiegshürde verringern sollte (möglich, aber ich würde nicht darauf wetten), dann wird die Hürde zwischen Anfänger und Fortgeschrittenem entsprechend höher. Gruß Peter Am 27.04.2014 13:59, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hallo, gerade ist mir aufgefallen, dass mein JOSM, wenn ich ihn auf Deutsch einstelle, die Tags neuerdings als Schlagwörter bezeichnet. Findet irgendjemand das gut (bzw. findet irgendjemand das besser als Eigenschaften)? Gibt es irgendwo, unabhängig vom konkreten Fall JOSM, einen Konsens oder zumindest eine Diskussion dazu? Gibt es andere Software oder Dokumentation im OSM-Umfeld, in der Tags als Schlagwörter bezeichnet werden? Bye Frederik ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Hunderte OSM-Kartenplakate öffentlich aufgestellt
Am 27.04.2014 01:55, schrieb Tirkon: Wenn aber ausgedruckte plakatgroße Papierkarten von OSM in mindestens dreistelliger (oder vierstelliger?) Anzahl verteilt über eine ganze Stadt zu finden sind, dürfte das sicher hier interessieren. Von daher möchte ich auf einen entsprechenden Blogbeitrag hinweisen: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/IOOI/diary/21738 Hallo Trikon, hallo OSM-Talk, danke für den Link, schöne Sache! Einen ähnlichen Gedanken hatte ich, als ich zuletzt in einer kleinen Behörde auf dem Land eine Kreiskarte mit viel Werbung herum sah (so wie unter [1]). Vielleicht könnte man den Gemeinden Kommunale Karten als PDF zur Verfügung stellen, drucken (lassen) müssten die diese selber. Dadurch könnte man Behörden vielleicht zu einer noch besseren Kooperation (im Sinne von Datenaustausch) motivieren... Nur so eine Idee - die Kontakte haben sicher Andere hier.. Gruß Ralf [1] http://kvw-agentur.de/index.php?article_id=28 -- PGP/GnuPG: pub 1024D/E6DE0971 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] RadioOSM: Mumble Treffen/OSMDE032
Hallo zusammen, wie ihr evtl. schon gemerkt habt ist für morgen (Dienstag, 28. April) eine experimentelle Folge im OSMRadio Kalender eingetragen. Sie wird voraussichtlich nur per Mumble abrufbar sein, das heißt es wird keinen Live-Stream per Xenim und evtl. auch keine Aufzeichnung geben. Wir treffen uns gegen 20:15 auf den Mumble Server podcast.openstreetmap.de Mumble bitte vorher auf dem Smartphone oder PC installiern, podcast.openstreetmap.de als neuen Server eintragen und Push-to-Talk aktivieren. Es empfiehlt sich Version = 2.1.4 Android: http://wiki.natenom.name/mumble/benutzerhandbuch/mumble-android/plumble#plumble_herunterladen Linux, Windows, Mac OS X, iOS: http://mumble.sourceforge.net/#Get_Mumble Ggf. werden wir auf der Startseite von http://podcast.openstreetmap.de/ noch bebilderte Anleitungen verlinken. Wir freuen uns auf zahlreiche Teilnahme. Bis morgen, Andi signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM: Tags = Schlagwörter
Falk Zscheile schrieb: Bis unser T(t)ag so allgemein verbreitet ist wie der Begriff Internet hat OSM noch einen weiten Weg vor sich. Du bist nicht viel in Blogs oder auf Bildercommunitys unterwegs, oder? Da haben sich Tags seit Jahren unter diesem Begriff etabliert. Wer eine Übersetzung generell für falsch hält, [weitere Polemik] Glashaus, Steine, und so, ne? :) Grüße, Dirk -- Local time :: Ortszeit :: DE-HH 2014-04-28T22:19:01+0200 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-it] Aree naturali minori della regione Veneto (Open Data Arpav)
Ciao, conosco il dataset. Queste aree non sono vincolate da alcun tipo di protezione, sono solo delle zone che l'ARPAV segnala per il particolare interesse naturalistico e per la presenza di specie protette. Quindi si può solo dare un nome al poligono giusto per indentificare l'area, anche se alcune volte è stato dato d'ufficio guardando una CTR o una IGM e vedendo quale era il toponimo più vicino. Saluti Giovanni Il giorno 26 aprile 2014 12:04, Leonardo kinetocor...@gmail.com ha scritto: Ciao, sul sito dell'Arpav sono presenti gli shape delle aree naturali minori del Veneto, rilasciati in CCBY 3.0 Unported. Stando alla descrizione del sito (http://www.arpa.veneto.it/arpavinforma/pubblicazioni/ censimento-delle-aree-naturali-minori-della-regione-veneto), esse possono essere classificate così: boundary=protected_area protect_class=5 (ovvero Zona umida, Area Protetta, Oasi, Parco Urbano, ecc.) name=[Nome dell'area] Per la licenza non ci dovrebbero essere problemi. Pareri sul tagging o in generale? Grazie! Leonardo ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Tag Surface
Esatto, Any File. Quando il fondo è sconnesso (i sassi si muovono), non bisogna usare cobblestone, ma (i) pebblestone se i sassi sono grossi più o meno come un pugno, oppure (ii) gravel se più piccoli (ghiaia più o meno fine). Tuttavia, una caratteristica di pebblestone è che i sassi siano arrotondati, per azione dell'acqua o del ghiaccio. Per sassi non arrotondati, che tipicamente si trovano sui sentieri di montagna, pebblestone non è adatto. Come scritto in un vecchio thread che avevo aperto sulla mailing list internazionale [1], in questi casi converrebbe usare un generico rocky. Circa cobblestone, anche qui di solito si pensa a pietre arrotondate, ma, a differenza di pebblestone, le pietre sono fisse. In ogni caso, anche quando vengono usate pietre del luogo con spigoli vivi, per esempio per latricare le mulattiere, gli spigoli generalmente vengono smussati dai ripetuti passaggi. Quindi cobblestone è adatto per descrivere il fondo delle mulattiere lastricate. Se però sono state scelte pietre piatte, allora cobblestone:flattened è meglio. Infine, sul wiki si legge che le paving_stones sono di cemento: Paving stones are equally sized concrete stones, with a flat top. They are comparable to flattened cobblestones (and often used in the same cases), but the gaps between the paving stones are smaller because the stones have a perfectly regular shape (rectangular, or any surface-filling shape). In realtà, ci sono delle pavimentazioni in pietra naturale molto regolari, perché realizzate con piastrelle di pietra per esempio perfettamente rettangolari [2]. L'effetto ritengo sia diverso da quello descritto con cobblestone:flattened [3]. Anche in questi casi, secondo me, sarebbe opportuno utilizzare paving_stones. Il fatto che il wiki parli di pietra artificiali in cemento mi pare di nuovo fuorviante. [1] https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/10175/keysurface-stones-boulders-and-rocky-surface [2] http://www.edilportale.com/immagini/prodotti-thumb/b_prodotti-74314-reldf7f1650dd4445deba7d07af854e9064.jpg [3] http://www.novascavi.com/gestione/members/db/img_prodotti/pav.%20smolleri.jpg ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] SUrface per lastricato
girarsi_liste ha scritto: Il 27/04/2014 14:15, demon.box ha scritto: Scusate riporto in cima questa domanda: quale surface per il classico lastricato? http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/file/n5804308/lastricato8.jpg *cobblestone:flattened* oppure* sett*? Come già detto in altre discussioni, per me il sett è per i bolognini, qui, sono lastre di ardesia o granito che dir si voglia, quindi non lavorato ma semplicemente appiattito, e di conseguenza mantenendo la forma del sasso, io resto con cobblestone:flattened. Che dite: possiamo osarci a modificare il wiki per chiarire questo punto? Rendere sett e cobblestone:flattened sinonimi, come fa il wiki al momento, è fuorviante. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] surface per mulattiera
Volker Schmidt ha scritto: Io sono interessato in un altro aspetto delle mulattiere: vorrei taggare il fatto che un sentiero un antica mulattiera, pi il problema della superficie che interessa non solo i MTB ma anche i camminatori. Pensavo a un tag historic= A me piaciuta la proposta emersa in una discussione sulla mailing list internazionale [1]: aggiungere "historic=mule_path" [2]. Se siete d'accordo, potremmo cercare di incoraggiare l'uso di questo schema. Su "smoothness" e "sac_scale", non vedo particolari problemi: basta adottare gli stessi criteri che si utilizzano per le altre highway. [1] https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/29888/how-to-tag-a-greek-kalderimi-ancient-mule-path [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:WikiProject_Italy/Sentieri#Mulattiere ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] SUrface per lastricato
Sì dài sarebbe una bella cosa mettere un po' di chiarezza sul wiki! +1 (sono d'accordissimo) grazie. ciao --enrico -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Surface-per-lastricato-tp5804308p5804409.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Uso di OSM ad Amburgo per il trasporto pubblico
L'agenzia della mobilità di Roma utilizza il layer MapQuest con base dati OSM come sfondo: http://www.muovi.roma.it/percorso/js/?iframe=truewidth=100%height=100%#htm-0 Davide - Davide -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Uso-di-OSM-ad-Amburgo-per-il-trasporto-pubblico-tp5804276p5804413.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Uso di OSM ad Amburgo per il trasporto pubblico
L'agenzia della mobilità di Roma utilizza il layer MapQuest con base dati OSM come sfondo: http://www.muovi.roma.it/percorso/js/ Davide - Davide -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Uso-di-OSM-ad-Amburgo-per-il-trasporto-pubblico-tp5804276p5804414.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] wtosm
2014-04-27 0:01 GMT+02:00 Maurizio Napolitano napoo...@gmail.com: Io sarei però per avere una cosa come http://wtosm.openstreetmap.it è ora attivo... http://wtosm.openstreetmap.it -- -S ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] wtosm
Il 28 aprile 2014 09:44, Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com ha scritto: Non mi ricordo più qual'era il problema di librerie... Comunque il problema attuale è che durante Usa Nuts4Nuts per inferire la posizione di alcuni articoli In realtà sarebbe meglio fare come fatto l'ultima volta, cioè generale quelle posizioni separatamente. 2014-04-28 17:21 GMT+02:00 Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com: http://wtosm.openstreetmap.it Bello! C ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] come taggare ristorante con cucina cinese giapponese sushi e brasiliana
sabato, mentre passaggiavo sull'argine del Net, ho trovato un post con scritto: amenity=restaurant cuisine= cuisine=fusion? :) altrimenti separati da punto e virgola... +1 per la seconda invece cuisine=international si usa quando non si sa bene il/i paese/i ? Per Cucina internazionale si intende quella priva di caratteristiche particolari, adattabile ai gusti (accettabile al palato) di clienti provenienti da varie parti del mondo. -- Sans ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] SUrface per lastricato
girarsi_liste ha scritto: se si modifica la parte italiana, và modificata di conseguenza anche quella inglese. Comunque io sono d'accordo a fare le distinzioni di questi due tag. Vorrei cominciare con quella inglese, che diciamo è la versione master. Comunque proverei a sollevare la questione sulla pagina di talk e vediamo che si dice. Se volete potete aggiungere i vostri commenti là, in modo da cercare di sviluppare la discussione. Vi mando il link appena ho scritto. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] SUrface per lastricato
2014-04-28 17:50 GMT+02:00 solitone solit...@mail.com: se si modifica la parte italiana, và modificata di conseguenza anche quella inglese. Comunque io sono d'accordo a fare le distinzioni di questi due tag. Vorrei cominciare con quella inglese, che diciamo è la versione master. Comunque proverei a sollevare la questione sulla pagina di talk e vediamo che si dice. Se volete potete aggiungere i vostri commenti là, in modo da cercare di sviluppare la discussione. Vi mando il link appena ho scritto. mi raccomando, tante belle foto! -- -S ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] SUrface per lastricato
Provate a vedere se vi piace e dite la vostra: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:surface#cobblestone:flattened_vs_sett ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] SUrface per lastricato
solitone wrote Provate a vedere se vi piace e dite la vostra: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:surface#cobblestone:flattened_vs_sett Mi limito solo a dare un parere edile se puo' essere d'aiuto per il wiki. Mi par di capire che con: - cobblestone:flattened - si possa intendere quello che in gergo architettonico/edile sia la cossiddetta posa ad opera incerta vedi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opus_incertum; - sett - si possa intendere quello che in gergo architettonico/edile sia la cossiddetta posa a correre. Con queste definizioni si trovano parecchie immagini sgoggolando. Saluti. -- Marco_T -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Surface-per-lastricato-tp5804308p5804443.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] come taggare ristorante con cucina cinese giapponese sushi e brasiliana
Lidrie-2 wrote Per Cucina internazionale si intende quella priva di caratteristiche particolari, adattabile ai gusti (accettabile al palato) di clienti provenienti da varie parti del mondo. Ah! Ok, grazie mille - Ciao, Aury -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/come-taggare-ristorante-con-cucina-cinese-giapponese-sushi-e-brasiliana-tp5804213p5804445.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] come taggare ristorante con cucina cinese giapponese sushi e brasiliana
Fabri wrote In osm si può fare lo stesso accordandosi sull'uso dei multivalori di cuisine separati dal ; ? non saprei...basterebbe secondo me mettere le varie cucine in ordine decrescente di attinenza se si vuole simulare un comportamento stile foursquare...per esempio un locale definito Pizzeria Ristorante Italiano Vattelapesca lo considero prima di tutto una pizzeria e poi un ristorante italiano e quindi con un tag cuisine=pizza;italian viceversa se il nome è Ristorante Pizzeria Vattelapesca uso cuisine=italian;pizza...ma è un organizzazione dei value che spesso non ha alcun attinenza con la realtà...il locale può essere riconosciuto/apprezzato sia come pizzeria sia come ristorante italiano in egual misura...molti poi hanno nomi che inducono ad errore...un ristorante cinese che conosco nel nome in bella vista dice di essere anche italiano, ma menu e personale sono cinesi e per italiano intendono che fanno qualche piatto di pesce (cose comunque abbastanza internazionali come cozze al limone o fritto misto di pesce o pesce misto...quindi non direi particolarmente italiane)...in questo caso me ne sono infischiato e ho messo un semplice cuisine=chinese - Ciao, Aury -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/come-taggare-ristorante-con-cucina-cinese-giapponese-sushi-e-brasiliana-tp5804213p5804446.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Aree naturali minori della regione Veneto (Open Data Arpav)
Peccato. Non c'è nessun altro tag adeguato? È inutile caricare gli shape con solo il tag name. Il giorno 28 aprile 2014 11:32, Giovanni Caudullo giovanni.caudu...@gmail.com ha scritto: Ciao, conosco il dataset. Queste aree non sono vincolate da alcun tipo di protezione, sono solo delle zone che l'ARPAV segnala per il particolare interesse naturalistico e per la presenza di specie protette. Quindi si può solo dare un nome al poligono giusto per indentificare l'area, anche se alcune volte è stato dato d'ufficio guardando una CTR o una IGM e vedendo quale era il toponimo più vicino. Saluti Giovanni Il giorno 26 aprile 2014 12:04, Leonardo kinetocor...@gmail.com ha scritto: Ciao, sul sito dell'Arpav sono presenti gli shape delle aree naturali minori del Veneto, rilasciati in CCBY 3.0 Unported. Stando alla descrizione del sito (http://www.arpa.veneto.it/arpavinforma/pubblicazioni/ censimento-delle-aree-naturali-minori-della-regione-veneto), esse possono essere classificate così: boundary=protected_area protect_class=5 (ovvero Zona umida, Area Protetta, Oasi, Parco Urbano, ecc.) name=[Nome dell'area] Per la licenza non ci dovrebbero essere problemi. Pareri sul tagging o in generale? Grazie! Leonardo ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] TOWN VILLAGE
Un po' complicato. L'idea di farlo sui numeri mi sembra non sbagliata ed evita la discussione se città nel senso legale italiano coincide col termine town come utilizzato in OSM (o in inglese brittanico). Lo stesso vale probabilmante per frazione=village. Una frazione fisicamente separata da un paese può essere un hamlet o un village secondo la grandezza. Una frazione che è contigua al paese principale sarebbe una neighbourhood e non un village. Village spesso è un paese assestante, solo più piccolo di un town. Volker 2014-04-28 19:34 GMT+02:00 Giuseppe Amici giuseppeam...@virgilio.it: Ho da sempre mappato il capoluogo comunale come tag:place=town e le località del comune individuate come frazioni con il tag:place=village. Il wiki fa una distinzione per numero di abitanti: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Village che non è supportato dalla normativa italiana in materia, ovvero: il decreto legislativo 18/8/2000, n.267, Testo Unico delle leggi sull'ordinamento degli Enti Locali (TUEL), all'art.18 testualmente recita: Art. 18. Titolo di città Il titolo di città può essere concesso con decreto del Presidente della Repubblica su proposta del Ministro dell'interno ai comuni insigni per ricordi, monumenti storici e per l'attuale importanza. Rimane il fatto della traduzione sia “Citta” che “Paese” hanno una corretta traduzione in “TOWN” Mentre anche JOSM propone nelle sue “feature”: frazione come village. Come dirimere la questione con un utente che pedissequamente cambia i miei tag? Saluti Beppe ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] TOWN VILLAGE
L'utente che ha cambiato i tag sono io e l'ho fatto in seguito alla discussione che abbiamo fatto qui sui comuni della provincia di Parma. Ciao, Andrea Il 28/apr/2014 19:34 Giuseppe Amici giuseppeam...@virgilio.it ha scritto: Ho da sempre mappato il capoluogo comunale come tag:place=town e le località del comune individuate come frazioni con il tag:place=village. Il wiki fa una distinzione per numero di abitanti: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Village che non è supportato dalla normativa italiana in materia, ovvero: il decreto legislativo 18/8/2000, n.267, Testo Unico delle leggi sull'ordinamento degli Enti Locali (TUEL), all'art.18 testualmente recita: Art. 18. Titolo di città Il titolo di città può essere concesso con decreto del Presidente della Repubblica su proposta del Ministro dell'interno ai comuni insigni per ricordi, monumenti storici e per l'attuale importanza. Rimane il fatto della traduzione sia “Citta” che “Paese” hanno una corretta traduzione in “TOWN” Mentre anche JOSM propone nelle sue “feature”: frazione come village. Come dirimere la questione con un utente che pedissequamente cambia i miei tag? Saluti Beppe ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] wtosm
@Simone Grazie per wtosm.openstreetmap.it :-) Il giorno 28 aprile 2014 09:44, Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com ha scritto: 2014-04-27 1:31 GMT+02:00 Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com: ... anche se ci sono stati alcuni problemi di librerie sul server FMACH per cui la cosa si è un po' fermata. Spero potrà andare avanti. Non mi ricordo più qual'era il problema di librerie... Il codice di Cristian richiedeva pyspatialite ma avevo trovato il modo di sostituirlo con pysqlite2. Avevo creato un test per controllare se la soluzione funzionava anche sul server fmach. Cerca un mio messaggio con: Ricapitolando: il test serve per vedere se puoi usare pysqlite2 al posto di pyspatialite Comunque il problema attuale è che durante Usa Nuts4Nuts per inferire la posizione di alcuni articoli il processo viene ucciso e appare la scritta Killed ma non dice altro... idee? Quella scritta dovrebbe comparire solo usando l'opzione -n ma, come ha detto Cristian, sarebbe meglio usarla solo di tanto in tanto. Se ben ricordo dovresti lanciare lo script tramite: python launch_script.py -u -a -t -c -w -s --nofx Ciao, Simone F. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Surface per lastricato
...a me sembra buono! Anzi aggiungo anche questa foto (non centra con il discorso cobblestone:flattened/sett ma con il discorso surface in generale): http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/file/n5804472/IMG_4507_%28800_x_600%29.jpg che dite? pebblestone o gravel? Anche secondo me più foto si mettono e meglio è. grazie. ciao --enrico -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Surface-per-lastricato-tp5804308p5804472.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Traduzione italiana dei presets di JOSM
2014-04-24 11:05 GMT+02:00 Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com: 2014-04-24 10:31 GMT+02:00 Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com: Però la traduzione italiana: https://github.com/openstreetmap/josm/blob/mirror/data/it.lang è un file binario. non è forse in launchpad? https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:OpenStreetMap Non lo vedo... una mano? Ciao, C ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Traduzione italiana dei presets di JOSM
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 12:12 AM, Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: Non lo vedo... una mano? penso sia questo, aggiornato nemmeno una settimana fa: https://translations.launchpad.net/josm/trunk/+pots/josm/it/+translate qui altra pagina su tradurre josm http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Translations -- -S ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-es] addr de pedanía
2014-04-27 18:10 GMT+02:00 Mateu Vic mateu...@gmail.com: Yo sería partidario de no mencionar el municipio en la addr en caso de pedanías, ya que en estos casos el municipio es un dato administrativo, pero no postal, es decir la segunda opción 2014-04-27 13:27 GMT+02:00 sergiosevillano - Gmail sergiosevillano.m...@gmail.com: una pregunta el tema de las direcciones y números de portal como va en caso de una pedanía? etiquetas en el nodo de un número de portal: addr:country=ES addr:province=Jaén (municipio) addr:city=La Iruela (pedanía, si es el caso) addr:village=Burunchel addr:postcode=xx addr:street=xx addr:housenumber=xx o bien addr:country=ES addr:province=Jaén addr:city=Burunchel addr:postcode=xx addr:street=xx addr:housenumber=xx o hay otra manera Pues depende, ¿cómo se escribiría la dirección para enviar una carta a Burunchel? -- Un saludo, Juan Luis. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] addr de pedanía
tenéis razón me estoy liando con los administrative levels la opción 2 es buena y en caso de duda responder a la pregunta que ha formulado Juan Luis. El 2014/04/28, a las 11:12, Juan Luis Rodríguez juanlui...@gmail.com escribió: 2014-04-27 18:10 GMT+02:00 Mateu Vic mateu...@gmail.com: Yo sería partidario de no mencionar el municipio en la addr en caso de pedanías, ya que en estos casos el municipio es un dato administrativo, pero no postal, es decir la segunda opción 2014-04-27 13:27 GMT+02:00 sergiosevillano - Gmail sergiosevillano.m...@gmail.com: una pregunta el tema de las direcciones y números de portal como va en caso de una pedanía? etiquetas en el nodo de un número de portal: addr:country=ES addr:province=Jaén (municipio) addr:city=La Iruela (pedanía, si es el caso) addr:village=Burunchel addr:postcode=xx addr:street=xx addr:housenumber=xx o bien addr:country=ES addr:province=Jaén addr:city=Burunchel addr:postcode=xx addr:street=xx addr:housenumber=xx o hay otra manera Pues depende, ¿cómo se escribiría la dirección para enviar una carta a Burunchel? -- Un saludo, Juan Luis. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Resumen de Talk-es, Vol 87, Envío 22
Pues yo también soy partidario de dar mas entidad en addr:city a la pedanía que al municipio. Lo contrario sería engañoso para el que no conozca las divisiones administrativas de España y cada una de las pedanias de sus municipios. Visto desde fuera me bastaria con conocer Burunchel y que ese lugar es una aldea de España. -Mensaje original- De: talk-es-requ...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-es-requ...@openstreetmap.org] Enviado el: lunes, 28 de abril de 2014 14:01 Para: talk-es@openstreetmap.org Asunto: Resumen de Talk-es, Vol 87, Envío 22 Envíe los mensajes para la lista Talk-es a talk-es@openstreetmap.org Para subscribirse o anular su subscripción a través de la WEB https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es O por correo electrónico, enviando un mensaje con el texto help en el asunto (subject) o en el cuerpo a: talk-es-requ...@openstreetmap.org Puede contactar con el responsable de la lista escribiendo a: talk-es-ow...@openstreetmap.org Si responde a algún contenido de este mensaje, por favor, edite la linea del asunto (subject) para que el texto sea mas especifico que: Re: Contents of Talk-es digest Además, por favor, incluya en la respuesta sólo aquellas partes del mensaje a las que está respondiendo. Asuntos del día: 1. Re: addr de pedanía (Mateu Vic) 2. Re: addr de pedanía (Juan Luis Rodríguez) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 18:10:18 +0200 From: Mateu Vic mateu...@gmail.com To: Discusión en Español de OpenStreetMap talk-es@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-es] addr de pedanía Message-ID: CAMqOr9-kubah=jamtxv0pvhdzfhirf+_xalpcoc+nodoxtg...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Yo sería partidario de no mencionar el municipio en la addr en caso de pedanías, ya que en estos casos el municipio es un dato administrativo, pero no postal, es decir la segunda opción 2014-04-27 13:27 GMT+02:00 sergiosevillano - Gmail sergiosevillano.m...@gmail.com: una pregunta el tema de las direcciones y números de portal como va en caso de una pedanía? etiquetas en el nodo de un número de portal: addr:country=ES addr:province=Jaén (municipio) addr:city=La Iruela (pedanía, si es el caso) addr:village=Burunchel addr:postcode=xx addr:street=xx addr:housenumber=xx o bien addr:country=ES addr:province=Jaén addr:city=Burunchel addr:postcode=xx addr:street=xx addr:housenumber=xx o hay otra manera ?? ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es -- Esperanto, internacia lingve neútrala lingvo próxima parte Se ha borrado un adjunto en formato HTML... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/attachments/20140427/90cb7 475/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 11:12:09 +0200 From: Juan Luis Rodríguez juanlui...@gmail.com To: Discusión en Español de OpenStreetMap talk-es@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-es] addr de pedanía Message-ID: caf7_nqmekbg_-j4kod0o_dabxgedpkcab6oza9rwt+ha+ut...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 2014-04-27 18:10 GMT+02:00 Mateu Vic mateu...@gmail.com: Yo sería partidario de no mencionar el municipio en la addr en caso de pedanías, ya que en estos casos el municipio es un dato administrativo, pero no postal, es decir la segunda opción 2014-04-27 13:27 GMT+02:00 sergiosevillano - Gmail sergiosevillano.m...@gmail.com: una pregunta el tema de las direcciones y números de portal como va en caso de una pedanía? etiquetas en el nodo de un número de portal: addr:country=ES addr:province=Jaén (municipio) addr:city=La Iruela (pedanía, si es el caso) addr:village=Burunchel addr:postcode=xx addr:street=xx addr:housenumber=xx o bien addr:country=ES addr:province=Jaén addr:city=Burunchel addr:postcode=xx addr:street=xx addr:housenumber=xx o hay otra manera Pues depende, ¿cómo se escribiría la dirección para enviar una carta a Burunchel? -- Un saludo, Juan Luis. próxima parte Se ha borrado un adjunto en formato HTML... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/attachments/20140428/1d824 426/attachment-0001.html -- ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es Fin de Resumen de Talk-es, Vol 87, Envío 22 *** ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
[Talk-at] Gebäude in Wiedner Hauptstraße verschwunden
Einen guten Wochenstart allerseits, Am Wochenende ist mir aufgefallen das ein Gebäude in der Wiedner Hauptstraße verschwunden ist. Sehe nur ich das so (also liegt hier ein Fehler im Rendering) oder ist das allgemein so? Real ist das Gebäude nach wie vor vorhanden. Konkret geht es um dieses Gebäude: https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/111808#map=19/48.19413/16.36757layers=N Wiedner Hauptsrtraße 37, 1040 Wien Ich habe dazu auch einen Hinweis/Fehlerbericht in OSM vermerkt, sie haben statt dem Tag Gebäude den Tag Wohnungen. Denke dadurch ist es nicht Sichtbar im Rendering. Kenne mich aber nicht so gut aus. Habe mich nicht getraut es zurück zu ändern, weil ich mir nicht sicher war ob es nicht etwas mit den Adressen etc durcheinander bringt. Kenne mich da nicht so gut aus. Vl könnt ihr euch das mal anschauen, wenn ihr mir sagt wie änder ich es gerne! Grüße Gabriel ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
[Talk-cat] layer + trobada + no digest
franc...@eclipso.eu writes: Atès que el canal ja és una layer -1 (la llera es considera per sota del nivell 0) jo tractaria l'autovia com un pont. Però penso que la solució de deixar l'autovia a nivell 0 i el canal a nivell -1 amb un túnel també seria vàlida. Si no recordo malament, el canal no te layer=-1 si no li especifiques, el valor per defecte de layer és 0. Tot i que si és te bridge=yes pot ser considerat 1 i si te tunnel=yes pot ser considerat -1. D'altre banda si un es -1 i l'altre 0 o un és 0 i l'altre 1 és el mateix, ja que el valor de layer només es relatiu a un altre valor layer. Coneixent el terreny seria més fàcil decidir-se per una solució o per l'altra, sempre és millor posar el que respongui més al que hi hagi sobre el terreny. Amb això coincideixo, amb una foto podríem parlar del cas concret. off topic: Algú podria fer cinc cèntims de la trobada de Sarrià de Ter? Hi ha un extens resum al wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Catalan/Trobades#Resum_de_la_reuni.C3.B3_a_Sarri.C3.A0_de_Ter Ara en serio, m'ho vaig passar molt bé ;-) es va parlar de moltes coses, per mi sobretot va servir per fer una primera presa de contacte. Crec que tots coincidiran en que s'ha d'anar repetint. D'altra banda, deixa'm dir-te que estas trencant el fil de conversa. Si us plau, podries canviar les teves opcions de subscripció a la llista a no digest. pgpKe8JO7pV3j.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-cat mailing list Talk-cat@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cat
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Overpass turbo extraire départements dans région
Bonjour, Effectivement, on arrive à extraire les données si l'on sélectionne les relations. Cela renvoi bien les géométries de type LineString, le fichier retour étant un peu parasité par quelques géométries de type Point, mais cela est tout à fait exploitable sur Qgis. Par contre, si le traitement de la requête est assez rapide, la construction/download du fichier retour , lourdeur oblige certainement, 15 Mo en format Geojson, prend pas mal de temps. [timeout:1800]; area [name=Midi-Pyrénées][admin_level=4]-.zone; ( rel(area.zone) [admin_level=6]; ); /*added by auto repair*/ (._;;); /*end of auto repair*/ out; Le 28 avril 2014 07:04, Jo winfi...@gmail.com a écrit : Voici ce que moi j'utilisais quand j'ai assisté à l'importation des frontière à l'Ouganda: area[name~Uganda] - .UG; ( rel(area.UG) [type=boundary]; ; ) - .allboundaryrelations; out meta; Polyglot 2014-04-28 4:28 GMT+02:00 Adrien Caillot adrien.cail...@free.fr: Bonjour, On 28/04/2014 00:04, Mides wrote: Je cherche à extraire tous les départements d'un région au travers d’une requête Overpass Turbo. Quelle doit être l'approche sachant que si je rédige la requête sous cette forme , je n’ai qu’un retour partiel comportant à la fois des ways et des nodes ** area [name=Midi-Pyrénées][admin_level=4]-.zone; way(area.zone)[admin_level=6]; /*added by auto repair*/ (._;;); /*end of auto repair*/ out; Cette requête semble bien renvoyer les limites de départements situées dans la région Midi-Pyrénées, mais à l'exclusion des limites de celle-ci. Je connais mal Overpass et j'ai du mal de trouver des docs sur la syntaxe, alors je ne connais pas de solution « propre ». Mais si c'est pour un usage ponctuel, je vois deux bricolages qui fonctionnent : - Rajouter explicitement les limites de la région. On obtient un polygone de la région, et les limites des départements à l'intérieur (mais pas un polygone par département). ( area [name=Midi-Pyrénées] [admin_level=4]-.zone; way(area.zone)[admin_level=6]; rel[name=Midi-Pyrénées]; ); (._;;); out; - Interroger carrément sur les noms des départements. Ainsi, on est sûr d'avoir un polygone par département. Après, si l'objectif était d'automatiser, cette solution est moyenne (mais on peut toujours générer la requête Overpass avec un script...). ( rel[name=Haute-Garonne]; rel[name=Ariège]; rel[name=Aveyron]; rel[name=Gers]; rel[name=Lot]; rel[name=Hautes-Pyrénées]; rel[name=Tarn]; rel[name=Tarn-et-Garonne]; ); (._;;); out; Si quelqu'un a une solution plus propre, je suis intéressé aussi. Cordialement, -- Adrien ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Création cadastre pays du Sud?
Je n'ai pas dit que la propriété n'y existait pas mais les cartes ne sont pas aussi complètes et aussi détaillées qu'en métropole, et concernant la NC il y a toujours des réformes sur les statuts des territoires et des secteurs encore taillés sommairement à la hache et pas réellement décidés, toujours en négociation sur la validité des propriétés et leur délimitation précise tenant compte des aménagements et des nécessités publiques, ou encore de droits ancestraux à compenser. Au final le cadastre sert ensuite aux calculs des taxes (qui sont aussi une contrepartie de la restriction accordée contre l'usage public et aussi pour que la collectivité fournisse des services de proximité aux propriétaires et résidents). Après ça le reste est une question économique qui fait la valeur des terrains et de ce qui s'y trouve. La propriété est l'acte résultat de l'accord suite aux négociations entre les parties publiques et privées intéressées localement. Le cadastre lui-même n'établit pas les propriétés, il ne fait que les constater ; son contenu reste contestable mais ce n'est pas le cadastre qui tranchera en cas de désaccord entre parties privées ou entre privé et public (qui peuvent aussi s'entendre par un accord sans passer par un tribunal, et alors faire enregistrer leur accord) Le 27 avril 2014 04:55, Hendrik Oesterlin hendrikmail2...@yahoo.de a écrit : Le 18/04/2014 à 09:46:15 +1100 Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr a écrit au sujet de [OSM-talk-fr] Création cadastre pays du Sud?: On peut comparer avec ce qui se passe en ce moment encore non loin de là à Mayotte ainsi que dans d'autres collectivités comme la Nouvelle-Calédonie ou Wallis-et-Futuna où c'est encore en chantier avec des occupations sauvages du milieu naturel, et l'instauration de situation de facto. Dis donc, tu en sais des choses sur la Nouvelle-Calédonie des choses dont même celui qui y habite depuis 30 ans n'a même pas idée ...et moi qui donnait une signification particulière à mon titre notarié de propriété et à tout ces polygones mauves qui apparaissent quand on clique sur Cadastre ici: http://explorateur-carto.georep.nc/ -- Cordialement Hendrik Oesterlin ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Overpass turbo extraire départements dans région
Bonjour, J'ai une impression concernant l'export GeoJSON depuis l'overpass-turbo qui n'est peut-être pas pertinente mais bon je vais vous en faire part quand même ^^ Le problème principal vient peut-être du fait que l'overpass-turbo fait afficher le GeoJSON dans le navigateur avant de proposer la sauvegarde dans un fichier téléchargeable. Ce qui est un peu dommage car essayer d'afficher 15Mo de données a tendance à faire ramer fortement le navigateur... Ne pourraient-ils pas proposer directement dans le formulaire un bouton export dans un fichier uniquement qui permettrait de faire tourner la transformation en GeoJSON en tâche de fond côté serveur uniquement sans affichage côté client et qui enverrait un lien de download une fois l'export réalisé ? Nicolas - Nicolas Moyroud Site web libre@vous : http://libreavous.teledetection.fr - Le 28/04/2014 09:19, Mides a écrit : Par contre, si le traitement de la requête est assez rapide, la construction/download du fichier retour , lourdeur oblige certainement, 15 Mo en format Geojson, prend pas mal de temps. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [osm-fr CA] OpenStreetMap France reçue par le Président de la République
Rapide premier retour dans le train après le déjeuner avec le Président de la République. En vidéo : http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1rai90_prendre-les-devants-dans-l-economie-de-la-donnee-opendata_news Par contre, le coup de te filmer limite en contre-jour, ils t'en veulent??? ;-) Eric ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Overpass turbo extraire départements dans région
Le but d'overpass-turbo est justement de fournir une interface graphique pour tester ses requêtes et visualiser le résultat... donc ne pas les visualiser revient à ne plus utiliser overpass-turbo ;) Une fois qu'on a compris le mécanisme et testé avec des requêtes dont le résultat est léger, on peut faire les requêtes plus lourdes directement sur l'overpass-API. Sinon... autre piste si l'on a besoin d'exports de ce type: récupérer un shapefile complet serait peut être plus efficace. Pensez aux shapefile des découpages administratifs mis régulièrement sur data.gouv.fr... ils ont l'avantage d'être vérifiés (donc complets et cohérents, à chaque export je dois faire des réparations), et d'être disponibles avec 3 niveaux de simplification géométrique. https://www.data.gouv.fr/fr/dataset/contours-des-departements-francais-issus-d-openstreetmap et https://www.data.gouv.fr/fr/dataset/contours-des-regions-francaises-sur-openstreetmap Le 28 avril 2014 10:03, Nicolas Moyroud nmoyr...@free.fr a écrit : Bonjour, J'ai une impression concernant l'export GeoJSON depuis l'overpass-turbo qui n'est peut-être pas pertinente mais bon je vais vous en faire part quand même ^^ Le problème principal vient peut-être du fait que l'overpass-turbo fait afficher le GeoJSON dans le navigateur avant de proposer la sauvegarde dans un fichier téléchargeable. Ce qui est un peu dommage car essayer d'afficher 15Mo de données a tendance à faire ramer fortement le navigateur... Ne pourraient-ils pas proposer directement dans le formulaire un bouton export dans un fichier uniquement qui permettrait de faire tourner la transformation en GeoJSON en tâche de fond côté serveur uniquement sans affichage côté client et qui enverrait un lien de download une fois l'export réalisé ? Nicolas - Nicolas Moyroud Site web libre@vous : http://libreavous.teledetection.fr - Le 28/04/2014 09:19, Mides a écrit : Par contre, si le traitement de la requête est assez rapide, la construction/download du fichier retour , lourdeur oblige certainement, 15 Mo en format Geojson, prend pas mal de temps. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France Conférence State Of The Map France du 4 au 6 avril à Parishttp://openstreetmap.fr/sotmfr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [osm-fr CA] OpenStreetMap France reçue par le Président de la République
Le 25 avril 2014 18:03, RatZilla$ ratzil...@gmail.com a écrit : La cartographie des infrastructures a eu un écho particulier compte tenu des enjeux. À défaut de faire d'OpenStreetMap une base de données d'autorité, la cartographie des infrastructures dans OSM permettra de libérer l’imagination des développeurs sur les futurs enjeux d'interopérabilité nationale/internationale - inter acteurs/administration. Merci Gaël, je partage complètement ! Pas d'autorité, mais des connexions avec des référentiels existant pouvant être libérés. D'où le besoin d'intégrer les codifications et identifications faisant parties de ces référentiels pour réaliser ces connexions en dehors d'OSM une fois libérés (ou pas, peu importe). C'est super prometteur, to be continued ! *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] 7ème continent
Le 27/04/2014 12:52, Jean-Francois Nifenecker a écrit : et les camions à pizzas ? ;-) Les camions à pizza ça va ils ont au moins la bonne idée de se remettre à la même place à chaque fois. ;-) ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [osm-fr CA] OpenStreetMap France reçue par le Président de la République
Le 28/04/2014 11:33, François Lacombe a écrit : Le 25 avril 2014 18:03, RatZilla$ ratzil...@gmail.com mailto:ratzil...@gmail.com a écrit : La cartographie des infrastructures a eu un écho particulier compte tenu des enjeux. À défaut de faire d'OpenStreetMap une base de données d'autorité, la cartographie des infrastructures dans OSM permettra de libérer l’imagination des développeurs sur les futurs enjeux d'interopérabilité nationale/internationale - inter acteurs/administration. Merci Gaël, je partage complètement ! Pas d'autorité, mais des connexions avec des référentiels existant pouvant être libérés. D'où le besoin d'intégrer les codifications et identifications faisant parties de ces référentiels pour réaliser ces connexions en dehors d'OSM une fois libérés (ou pas, peu importe). C'est super prometteur, to be continued ! À propos de cartographie d'infrastructures, j'ai discuté avec des représentants d'Etalab de la problèmatique sécurité/défense... Doit on faire gaffe aux infos que l'on mets dans OSM ? sujet récurrent. Ben, il n'y a pas de problèmes, on peut tout mettre, pas de restriction, pas d'auto censure. C'est sur le terrain, on le mets. Librement, -- Christophe Merlet (RedFox) ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [osm-fr CA] OpenStreetMap France reçue par le Président de la République
2014-04-28 10:35 GMT+02:00 Eric Sibert courr...@eric.sibert.fr: En vidéo : http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1rai90_prendre-les-devants-dans-l-economie-de-la-donnee-opendata_news A quoi reconnait-on un président d'OpenStreetMap ? A l'absence de cravate :-)) Il faudrait organiser une mapping party à l'élysée avec tous ces ministres et conseillers. Bonnes chaussures indispensable (et sans cire-pompe) ! Pieren ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Les armoires de rues
Bonjour la liste, Un peu avant de partir en week end, j'ai passé la proposition sur les armoires de rue en RFC sur le wiki. N'hésitez pas à y jeter un coup d'oeuil. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Street_cabinet Les armoires de rues sont des conteneurs installés sur les trottoirs en zone urbaine hébergeant le plus souvent des équipements de contrôle ou de service. Très peu de détails sont à connaitre sur le contenu pour pouvoir les cartographier. On pourra rentrer dans le détail des réseaux dans un second temps, ça n'est pas le but ici. En gros la proposition introduit une nouvelle valeur pour man_made : street_cabinet et un nouveau tag pour qualifier le domaine auquel appartient l'armoire (street_cabinet=telecom, cable_tv, power...) On considère l'accessibilité ou le manque d'accessibilité des trottoirs à la suite de l'installation de ces armoires. Des exemples sont disponibles, n'hésitez pas à en soumettre d'autres et utiliser la page de Talk. Bonne fin d'après-midi. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Les armoires de rues
Je suis sceptique concernant les attributs width, length et direction. Si quelqu'un veut saisir ces informations, autant dessiner l'emprise de l'armoire au sol, non ? Greg 2014-04-28 16:22 GMT+02:00 François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu: Bonjour la liste, Un peu avant de partir en week end, j'ai passé la proposition sur les armoires de rue en RFC sur le wiki. N'hésitez pas à y jeter un coup d'oeuil. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Street_cabinet Les armoires de rues sont des conteneurs installés sur les trottoirs en zone urbaine hébergeant le plus souvent des équipements de contrôle ou de service. Très peu de détails sont à connaitre sur le contenu pour pouvoir les cartographier. On pourra rentrer dans le détail des réseaux dans un second temps, ça n'est pas le but ici. En gros la proposition introduit une nouvelle valeur pour man_made : street_cabinet et un nouveau tag pour qualifier le domaine auquel appartient l'armoire (street_cabinet=telecom, cable_tv, power...) On considère l'accessibilité ou le manque d'accessibilité des trottoirs à la suite de l'installation de ces armoires. Des exemples sont disponibles, n'hésitez pas à en soumettre d'autres et utiliser la page de Talk. Bonne fin d'après-midi. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Les armoires de rues
Cela est une possibilité. On peut aussi représenter l'armoire sous forme de noeud, puis saisir les dimensions de manière précise (puisque dessiner l'emprise n'est pas d'une précision à toute épreuve). Ou on peut même faire les deux ;) Ces attributs n'ont pas été introduits par la proposition qui nous concerne, je les ai intégré par soucis de compatibilité avec d'autres modèles sur OSM. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com Le 28 avril 2014 16:31, Greg ewala...@gmail.com a écrit : Je suis sceptique concernant les attributs width, length et direction. Si quelqu'un veut saisir ces informations, autant dessiner l'emprise de l'armoire au sol, non ? Greg 2014-04-28 16:22 GMT+02:00 François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu: Bonjour la liste, Un peu avant de partir en week end, j'ai passé la proposition sur les armoires de rue en RFC sur le wiki. N'hésitez pas à y jeter un coup d'oeuil. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Street_cabinet Les armoires de rues sont des conteneurs installés sur les trottoirs en zone urbaine hébergeant le plus souvent des équipements de contrôle ou de service. Très peu de détails sont à connaitre sur le contenu pour pouvoir les cartographier. On pourra rentrer dans le détail des réseaux dans un second temps, ça n'est pas le but ici. En gros la proposition introduit une nouvelle valeur pour man_made : street_cabinet et un nouveau tag pour qualifier le domaine auquel appartient l'armoire (street_cabinet=telecom, cable_tv, power...) On considère l'accessibilité ou le manque d'accessibilité des trottoirs à la suite de l'installation de ces armoires. Des exemples sont disponibles, n'hésitez pas à en soumettre d'autres et utiliser la page de Talk. Bonne fin d'après-midi. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
