[OSM-talk] Motion: Dedicated mailing list for abandoned railways

[Jukka Rahkonen]

Hi,

I suggest to make a new mailing list for those who want to talk about
abandoned railways. I can see that such does not exist yet
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo. It has already suggested to use
the Historic list https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/historic/ but I
have understood that abandoned railways are special and therefore they
deserve a dedicated list.

-Jukka Rahkonen-


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Re: [Talk-it] scelta smartphone

[mircozorzo]

Io uso un vecchio Samsung GT-i8160 detto anche Galaxy Ace 2 che ora è un
telefono da mercatino e supporta anche i satelliti Glonass, non va male. A
dire il vero però mi sembra che li consideri sempre come ultima spiaggia, ma
questo è un altro discorso.

Ciao, Mirco  



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Re: [Talk-cz] Odborník na cyklotrasy v iD

[Marián Kyral]

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Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Odborník na cyklotrasy v iD

"Ahoj,

> Co jsem tak hledal, tak http://learnosm.org/en/beginner/id-editor/ o práci
s relacemi nic
> nepíše a po lehkém průzkumu možností iD editoru to vypadá, že umožňuje 
pouze práci stylem
> jeden objekt, jedna akce. Označit více cest jde, ale jediné co s tím jde 
dělat, je spojit je
> do jedné čáry.

no, ja o iD vim taky houby... ale kdyz si v nem vyberu way, tak ji
mohu pridavat do relace (je to uplne dole ve vlastnostech v okne
vlevo od mapy s daty). To zas bychom asi iD krivdili, ze relace
vubec neumi (a bylo by to divne - navic i puvodni dotazovatel psal,
ze jeho problem je, ze ty relace v iD nedokaze identifikovat cislem ale
pouze seznamem destinaci).

Petr
"



Já jsem neříkal, že iD relace vůbec neumí, jen že se o nich na learnosm.org 
taktně mlčí. A ani na googlu jsem nic podrobnějšího nenašel.


Problém je hlavně s hromadným přidáním vybraných cest do relace. To zřejmě 
nejde. Taky nevím, jestli se ty relace dají nějak vizualizovat abych viděl, 
které cesty v relaci už jsou a že se na nic nezapomnělo.





Marián


  

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Re: [Talk-cz] Odborník na cyklotrasy v iD

[Jan Mladý]

Zda uvedená cyklotrasa / TZ existuje (nebo kudy vede) používám 
http://cycling.waymarkedtrails.org/cs/?zoom=11=50.08204=12.4683=0=0.745#
 

Jednoduché, přehledné rychle aktualizované.

Jan Mladý

-Original Message-
From: Petr Holub [mailto:ho...@ics.muni.cz] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 7:19 AM
To: 'OpenStreetMap Czech Republic' 
Subject: Re: [Talk-cz] Odborník na cyklotrasy v iD

> Co jsem tak hledal, tak http://learnosm.org/en/beginner/id-editor/ o 
> práci s relacemi nic nepíše a po lehkém průzkumu možností iD editoru 
> to vypadá, že umožňuje pouze práci stylem jeden objekt, jedna akce. 
> Označit více cest jde, ale jediné co s tím jde dělat, je spojit je do jedné 
> čáry.

Jo a jeste jedna vec: mohl by nekdo dotycneho na foru upozornit, ze 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cyklotrasy_v_%C4%8CR
neni aktualizovany zdroj a ze je potreba pouzivat http://ra.osmsurround.org/ ? 
Abychom tam pak ruzne trasy nemeli nekolikrat ;)

Diky,
Petr


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Re: [Talk-cz] Odborník na cyklotrasy v iD

[Marián Kyral]

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Od: Marián Kyral 
Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
Datum: 9. 9. 2015 7:57:24
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Odborník na cyklotrasy v iD

"


-- Původní zpráva --
Od: Petr Holub 
Komu: 'OpenStreetMap Czech Republic' 
Datum: 9. 9. 2015 7:20:02
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Odborník na cyklotrasy v iD

"> Co jsem tak hledal, tak http://learnosm.org/en/beginner/id-editor/ o 
práci s relacemi nic
> nepíše a po lehkém průzkumu možností iD editoru to vypadá, že umožňuje 
pouze práci stylem
> jeden objekt, jedna akce. Označit více cest jde, ale jediné co s tím jde 
dělat, je spojit je
> do jedné čáry.

Jo a jeste jedna vec: mohl by nekdo dotycneho na foru upozornit, ze
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cyklotrasy_v_%C4%8CR
neni aktualizovany zdroj a ze je potreba pouzivat
http://ra.osmsurround.org/
? Abychom tam pak ruzne trasy nemeli nekolikrat ;)
"



A tahle věta na wiki tedy už není pravdivá?




> Poznámka: seznam tras KČT je generován skriptem
(https://github.com/PetrDlouhy/osm-route-catalogizer) na základě tagu 
"operator=cz:KČT". 



"



Mimochodem, mohl by jsi tu wiki stránku vhodně upravit? Já se v cyklotrasami
zatím nezabýval.




Marián

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[Talk-es] Mapping party Septiembre-Octubre en Burlada (Navarra)

[correo]

Buenos dias a todos,

Me gustaría organizar una mapping party en Navarra, a ser posible en  
Burlarda o cercanías, para finales de Septiembre u Octubre.Lo de  
hacerlo en Burlada lo digo porque yo vivo aquí y veo que se podrían  
mejorar muchas zonas que conozco, pero estoy abierto a cambiar de zona  
si se decide entre todos.


Imagino que va a ser muy difícil porque somos pocos navarros aquí,  
pero a lo mejor puede interesaros también a alguien de La Rioja o el  
país vasco.


Por favor, los que se animen que vayan proponiendo fechas a ver si se  
puede llegar a un consenso y sale adelante la cosa.


Gracias
Saludos



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Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

[Mateusz Konieczny]

On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 01:54:20 -0400
Russ Nelson  wrote:

> Why do you persist? You can't win, because you're wrong.

Please, stop treating it as some zero-sum game. I am not trying to
"win".

I am trying to ensure that editing of OSM will not be made
harder by presence of ways representing completely destroyed objects
or ridiculous relations containing features approximately following
track of former, no longer existing objects.

Editing OSM is already complicated, there is no good reason to make it
even harder by adding confusing features editable only by experts.

Currently it is done on really limited scale and still may be stopped.

OSM is map of the current state of the world - not map
of the world how it was yesterday, 10 years ago or five thousands ago.

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Re: [Talk-it] santelle, croci, crocefissi, ecc.

[demon.box]

scusate ma... l'argomento non interessa oppure c'è ancora aria di ferie ;-))
??



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Re: [OSM-talk] old_name

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Am 08.09.2015 um 22:33 schrieb moltonel 3x Combo :
> 
> Probably. Didn't find one in OSM data, but the same exercise with
> "Lutèce" yields a lot of results in Paris. So what ? The name is a
> current property of those businesses, not of the city the businesses
> are in.


IMHO the fact that they have it in their name (and that many people know what 
they refer to) is a proof that these old names are still in use somehow. These 
are different to egyptian hieroglyphs where you need an expert to guess the 
meaning.

cheers 
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Re: [Talk-de] A Year of edits Liste

[Norbert Kück]

Am 08.09.2015 um 14:49 schrieb MonkZ:

Ich suche nach einer Liste mit "A Year of Edits" Videos.
Lass doch einfach Google oder Startpage nach "A Year of Edits" (genau 
diese Zeichenfolge!) suchen.

Gruß
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Re: [OSM-talk] Motion: Dedicated mailing list for abandoned railways

[Hans De Kryger]

*Regards,*

*Hans*

*http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13
*

On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Jukka Rahkonen <
jukka.rahko...@latuviitta.fi> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I suggest to make a new mailing list for those who want to talk about
> abandoned railways. I can see that such does not exist yet
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo. It has already suggested to use
> the Historic list https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/historic/ but
> I
> have understood that abandoned railways are special and therefore they
> deserve a dedicated list.
>
> -Jukka Rahkonen-
>
> ​1+ agreed​
>
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Re: [Talk-it] problema svolte - casello Piovene-Rocchette

[Max1234Ita]

Le ho aggiunte io ieri. Ben sapendo che sono ridondanti, volevo vedere se x
caso venivano riconosciute almeno loro. Ovviamente nessun risultato, per cui
ora le ho tolte.

Ora ho provato a forzare la "svolta a destra" provenendo dallo svincolo ed
ho anche leggermente modificato la geometria, facendo in modo che rampa
d'uscita e d'ingresso non s'incontrino nello stesso punto. Anche così, però,
la manovra suggerita è "U-turn" verso la rampa a doppio senso di
percorrenza.

La cosa strana è che anche aggiungendo una restriction "no_u_turn" il
routing continua ad indicare proprio la svolta "proibita" da quest'ultima.

Ho però notato che l'itinerario mostrato dal sito sembra disallineato
rispetto alla situazione attuale della mappa (le strade vengono visualizzate
come le ho aggiornate 5 minuti fa, mentre il routing continua a comportarsi
come se non avessi fatto modifiche, indicando una way che ora ho diviso in 2
tronconi. 
Qualcuno sa ogni quanto tempo viene fatto il refresh?

Ciao,
Msax





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Re: [Talk-br] Transmissão da SOTM LatAm

[Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros]

Tem áudio (muito ruim) entre os 17m20s e os 31m40s,
*youtu.be/AJBh35Vj2zs?t=17m20s
*, quando você abriu para "ideias ou
perguntas". O início do vídeo, com alguma paciência, nos serve para lermos
os slides.

https://github.com/willemarcel/*osmcha*

Python package to detect suspicious OSM changesets

https://github.com/willemarcel/*osmcha-django*

A database manager and frontend app for osmcha

Alexandre

Em 8 de setembro de 2015 21:53, Wille  escreveu:

> Talvez tenha em https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiqdu6D4hj16NtLOyV5JXIg,
> mas me disseram que na minha palestra não tinha audio na transmissão...
>
>  On 05-09-2015 19:23, Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros wrote:
>
>>
>> Tem gravação de sua palestra sobre o osmcha
>> ?
>>
>
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Re: [Talk-it] santelle, croci, crocefissi, ecc.

[demon.box]

voschix wrote
> 
> 
> http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/file/n5854146/IMG_4957.jpg
> 
> historic=wayside_cross
> religion=christian
> (perché sulla tua foto sembra un crocefisso)

A conferma della tua opininione (e bada bene che fino ad ora ho sempre
mappato così anch'io) mi sembra che sia parecchio chiara questa pagina wiki
sulla definizione di wayside_cross:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayside_cross

cioè   wayside_cross = crocefisso





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Re: [Talk-cz] Odborník na cyklotrasy v iD

[Zdeněk Pražák]

Tak tedy nevím, na uvedeném odkazu vidím pouze trasy a stínované kopce, 
nevidím podkladovou vrstvu základní OSM mapy ať nastavím průhlenost 
jakoukoliv
Pražák


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Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
Datum: 9. 9. 2015 8:30:02
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Odborník na cyklotrasy v iD

"Zda uvedená cyklotrasa / TZ existuje (nebo kudy vede) používám http://
cycling.waymarkedtrails.org/cs/?zoom=11=50.08204=12.4683=0&
route=0.745# 

Jednoduché, přehledné rychle aktualizované.

Jan Mladý

-Original Message-
From: Petr Holub [mailto:ho...@ics.muni.cz] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 7:19 AM
To: 'OpenStreetMap Czech Republic' 
Subject: Re: [Talk-cz] Odborník na cyklotrasy v iD

> Co jsem tak hledal, tak http://learnosm.org/en/beginner/id-editor/ o 
> práci s relacemi nic nepíše a po lehkém průzkumu možností iD editoru 
> to vypadá, že umožňuje pouze práci stylem jeden objekt, jedna akce. 
> Označit více cest jde, ale jediné co s tím jde dělat, je spojit je do 
jedné čáry.

Jo a jeste jedna vec: mohl by nekdo dotycneho na foru upozornit, ze http://
wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cyklotrasy_v_%C4%8CR
neni aktualizovany zdroj a ze je potreba pouzivat http://ra.osmsurround.org/
? Abychom tam pak ruzne trasy nemeli nekolikrat ;)

Diky,
Petr


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[OSM-talk-fr] Nouvelles communes à venir en Normandie

[Vincent de Château-Thierry]

Bonjour,

2 infos récentes sur un même thème :
* création de la commune de Cherbourg-en-Cotentin
http://www.ouest-france.fr/creation-de-cherbourg-en-cotentin-cherbourg-octeville-vote-oui-3671091
via Georezo [1]

* création de la commune Les Thuits
http://www.paris-normandie.fr/detail_article/articles/3963634/actualites+politique/le-thuit-signol-le-thuit-anger-et-le-thuit-simer-ne-formeront-bientot-plus-qu-une
via @ParvillersH [2]

Dans les 2 cas le changement de statut ne sera effectif qu'au 01/01/2016

vincent

[1] : http://georezo.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=272704#p272704
[2] : https://twitter.com/ParvillersH/status/641494764437770240

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Re: [Talk-de] A Year of edits Liste

[Wided medjroubi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sC83j6vzjo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsReygHnXAU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpXk5W6b298
http://derickrethans.nl/year-of-edits-2013.html

2015-09-09 9:33 GMT+02:00 Norbert Kück :

> Am 08.09.2015 um 14:49 schrieb MonkZ:
>
>> Ich suche nach einer Liste mit "A Year of Edits" Videos.
>>
> Lass doch einfach Google oder Startpage nach "A Year of Edits" (genau
> diese Zeichenfolge!) suchen.
> Gruß
> nk
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Re: [Talk-it] problema svolte - casello Piovene-Rocchette

[dvdzero]

di preciso non so ma tipicamente vedo che il routing di OSRM viene aggiornato
ogni 3-4 giorni



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Re: [Talk-cat] Hangout per a preparar jornada

[Jaume Figueras i Jové]

A mi em va millor el dijous dia 10 entre 17 i 19.

Salut!

On 09/09/15 11:46, Carlos Sánchez wrote:

Podeu dir quin horari us va millor i canviem el dia. Sinó a les 17h
comencem hangout. Enviaré el hangout públic una mica abans de led 17h.
Estigueu atents.

Hola,

jo ho tinc bastant impossible avui. Feu vosaltres.

Salut!

On 08/09/15 10:52, Carlos Sánchez wrote:

Que us sembla quedar demà a les 17:00 per a fer un Hangout (G+). Així
podem agilitzar el tema dels preparatius per al 3 d'octubre.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Motion: Dedicated mailing list for abandoned railways

[Lester Caine]

On 09/09/15 08:48, Jukka Rahkonen wrote:
> I suggest to make a new mailing list for those who want to talk about
> abandoned railways. I can see that such does not exist yet
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo. It has already suggested to use
> the Historic list https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/historic/ but I
> have understood that abandoned railways are special and therefore they
> deserve a dedicated list.

Sorry but this is missing the point ...

There are many specialist areas, and some good lists that already
support them, but the whole point here is not a single niche subject,
but rather elements that are currently mapped but evolve over time
retaining many elements visible on the ground but with gaps created due
to new development, or changes in layout as bottlenecks are improved.

We are not talking about mapping historic details from maps but simply
retaining currently mapped data in a slightly different format so that
the information can still be accessed. Railways are just a small but
easy to identify element that have become uneconomic over time. As have
some waterways, and coastal erosion continues to affect some areas of
the UK, and I'm sure the rest of the world. All are slowly evolving ove
time and that evolution is as useful as a map that only displays a
snapshot of 'today'.

HOT is mapping disaster areas and the the currently mapped details get
overlaid with the effects of change and the remaining visible elements
stick through. Trying to cherry pick what gets kicked to an 'historic'
database and what remains in the main one should not be necessary
especially if the restoration work slowly returns the original elements.
Simply tagging collapsed buildings or blocked roads and railways and
then tagging what gets rebuilt and what replaced is exactly the sort of
data that should be recorded.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

[Richard]

On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 09:01:53AM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 01:54:20 -0400
> Russ Nelson  wrote:
> 
> > Why do you persist? You can't win, because you're wrong.
> 
> Please, stop treating it as some zero-sum game. I am not trying to
> "win".
> 
> I am trying to ensure that editing of OSM will not be made
> harder by presence of ways representing completely destroyed objects
> or ridiculous relations containing features approximately following
> track of former, no longer existing objects.

never had a problem editing around abandoned railways, they don't cause
even a tiny fraction of the problems that are caused by landuse 
multipolygons.

Do you have some special problem on your mind?

Richard

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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Ian Dees]

On Sep 9, 2015 12:41 AM, "Bryce Nesbitt"  wrote:
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Ian Dees  wrote:
>>
>> Show him OSM for the abandoned rails that he can see and point him to
OpenHistoricalMap for the historical, no-longer-present rails if he's
excited about that.
>
>
> Sigh.
> You present OHM like it's a vibrant project that gets lots of exposure,
where people who flock to edit.

I don't think I did... Regardless, it sounds like there's a bunch of people
interested in tracing the paths of historical railways. Pointing them to
OHM would be a great way to grow its userbase.
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Re: [Talk-cat] Hangout per a preparar jornada

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Hola,

jo ho tinc bastant impossible avui. Feu vosaltres.

Salut!

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Que us sembla quedar demà a les 17:00 per a fer un Hangout (G+). Així
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Re: [Talk-it] problema svolte - casello Piovene-Rocchette

[Max1234Ita]

Allora temo che bisognerà aspettare...  Ok, smetto di fare modifiche e
vediamo come va :-)

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Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

[moltonel 3x Combo]

TL;DR: argument repeat, sorry.

On 09/09/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:
>> OSM is map of the current state of the world - not map
>> of the world how it was yesterday, 10 years ago or five thousands ago.
>
> Nobody is advocating to map the past, what is discussed is mapping those
> elements of the past which somehow have lasted or have had a strong impact
> that is still observable today.

Martin, have a look at http://osm.org/go/Zc9j8qfSV-?m (near Russ's
most recent example) and tell me how this section "somehow has lasted
or has had a strong impact that is still observable today". Whenever I
looked at some examples posted by Russ, these kind of sections weren't
far.

When stuff have been contructed over the former railroad like this,
there's no need for a local survey to see that nothing is left. IMHO,
at most a section of Albert Street could have railway=abandoned as an
additional tag. I have my doubts about the sections under the forest
too, but that requires a survey to assert.

So there is at least one contributor who "is advocating to map the
past". I have a feeling Russ is an exception in this respect (Lester's
view are close but more nuanced), but he is so passionate that this
thread keeps resurecting.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

[Mateusz Konieczny]

On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 09:33:45 +0200
Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:

> 
> 
> sent from a phone
> 
> > Am 09.09.2015 um 09:01 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny
> > :
> > 
> > Currently it is done on really limited scale and still may be
> > stopped.
> 
> 
> I doubt this has the potential to become a big scale "problem"
> because there aren't sufficient sources and traces to reconstruct the
> world as it was hundreds or thousands of years ago (not to forget
> that there were much fewer people in these times, and much fewer
> alteration of the world in general).
> 
> FWIW, there have been several mentions of historic objects naming
> "hundreds" or thousands of years in this context of former railways
> on the lists. Actually the first railway was built in 1830, that is
> not even 200 years ago, and this is also more or less the period
> where you can get detailed spatial information (good maps) from.
> Please stop FUD about people completely mapping the past into OSM and
> obfuscating the present thereby.

Now it is done with railways and may be stopped. But if completely
dismantled railways are not deleted from OSM what would stop somebody
interested in mapping completely destroyed buildings, canals etc?

Given that some are happily mapping in detail individual bicycle
parkings or individual trees (I encountered forests and parks where
mapping of every single tree is in progress) etc - it is almost certain
that sooner or later somebody will decide to import for example
buildings that were documented to exist in the past.


> > 
> > OSM is map of the current state of the world - not map
> > of the world how it was yesterday, 10 years ago or five thousands
> > ago.
> 
> 
> Nobody is advocating to map the past, what is discussed is mapping
> those elements of the past which somehow have lasted or have had a
> strong impact that is still observable today. You say these objects
> would make mapping more difficult and confusing but the opposite is
> true: it makes mapping more sensible when the relevant context is
> present (including traces of the past).

For some "strong impact that is still observable today" is set so low
that extreme amount of completely dismantled structures will pass it.

Maybe people interested in mapping completely gone features may propose
what they consider as minimum threshold so we would be able to make
this discussion more useful?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 09/09/2015 12:44 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> it is almost certain
> that sooner or later somebody will decide to import for example
> buildings that were documented to exist in the past.

Fortunately the self-healing powers of OSM will step in at that point
and revert the import. Just because the project grows larger doesn't
mean we have to tolerate bullshit.

Taking a small step back from the discussion, even the avid proponents
of mapping un-railways claim that (at least to their expert eye) the
railway is still very much visible.

This thread might look like we're fighting over SOMETHING BIG but in
fact we all(*) agree that stuff that is visible can go into OSM and
stuff that is long built-over will not; the disagreement is only about
stuff that has ceased to exist but hasn't (yet?) been overbuilt or
otherwise obliterated. The total number of such things is relatively
small. I can continue to state that abandoned railways should not be in
OSM(**) and Russ Nelson can continue to claim otherwise but that is
really a minor skirmish that won't bring the project to a halt.

Bye
Frederik

(*) everyone else is with OpenHistoricalMap
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Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

[Richard]

On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 01:14:28PM +0200, moltonel 3x Combo wrote:
> TL;DR: argument repeat, sorry.
> 
> On 09/09/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:
> >> OSM is map of the current state of the world - not map
> >> of the world how it was yesterday, 10 years ago or five thousands ago.
> >
> > Nobody is advocating to map the past, what is discussed is mapping those
> > elements of the past which somehow have lasted or have had a strong impact
> > that is still observable today.
> 
> Martin, have a look at http://osm.org/go/Zc9j8qfSV-?m (near Russ's
> most recent example) and tell me how this section "somehow has lasted
> or has had a strong impact that is still observable today". Whenever I
> looked at some examples posted by Russ, these kind of sections weren't
> far.

Not much is visible from the satelite but this is true for many other 
objects.

Richard


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[Talk-it] Armadi Telecom

[Stefano Pallicca]

Ciao a tutti,
vorrei mappare un po' di centrali e armadi Telecom in giro per la mia
città, ho visto questi tag [1] [2]:

Ora, dato che in alcune zone della mia città stanno installando la fibra
sia Telecom che Fastweb e Vodafone, spesso si trovano più armadi, uno per
ogni operatore. Dato che sostanzialmente il punto di raccolta è uno,
conviene utilizzare più valori per la key operator o creare più nodi?
Si noti che soltamente l'armadio Telecom è individuato da un numero
incollato sulla porta, mentre gli altri (almeno per ora) non riportano
alcuna indicazione.

Inoltre, laddove per motivi di spazio non è possibile installare più armadi
oltre a quello Telecom, vengono installati dei tombini con impresso il logo
dell'operatore (su come distinguere armadio e tombino ho aperto un topic
specifico sulla pagina wiki [2]).

Stefano

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Telecom_local_loop
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Re: [Talk-it] Per conoscenza Fwd: Richiesta rispetto licenza OpenStreetMap

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Scrivo solo per informare.

Visto che ad oggi nessuno ha risposto per la mia richiesta, ho mandato la
email direttamente al presidente dell'associazione, trovata sul sito del
comune di Borgo Valsugana, per cui sono più fiducioso di una risposta
diretta avendola su gmail, visto che il sito dell'associazione sembra
offline da giorni e forse non è stata letta (quello per cui ho mandato la
email di richiesta è della manifestazione, non dell'associazione).

Saluti.


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Re: [Talk-it-trentino] Per conoscenza Fwd: Richiesta rispetto licenza OpenStreetMap

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Scrivo solo per informare.

Visto che ad oggi nessuno ha risposto per la mia richiesta, ho mandato la
email direttamente al presidente dell'associazione, trovata sul sito del
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diretta avendola su gmail, visto che il sito dell'associazione sembra
offline da giorni e forse non è stata letta (quello per cui ho mandato la
email di richiesta è della manifestazione, non dell'associazione).

Saluti.


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Re: [Talk-cat] Hangout per a preparar jornada

[josep constantí]

A mi tampoc m'anava bé avui. Demà ho intentaré. 

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From:"Jaume Figueras i Jové" 
Date:dc., set. 9, 2015 at 13:16
Subject:Re: [Talk-cat] Hangout per a preparar jornada

A mi em va millor el dijous dia 10 entre 17 i 19.

Salut!

On 09/09/15 11:46, Carlos Sánchez wrote:
> Podeu dir quin horari us va millor i canviem el dia. Sinó a les 17h
> comencem hangout. Enviaré el hangout públic una mica abans de led 17h.
> Estigueu atents.
>
> Hola,
>
> jo ho tinc bastant impossible avui. Feu vosaltres.
>
> Salut!
>
> On 08/09/15 10:52, Carlos Sánchez wrote:
>
>    Que us sembla quedar demà a les 17:00 per a fer un Hangout (G+). Així
>    podem agilitzar el tema dels preparatius per al 3 d'octubre.
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Re: [Talk-es] consulta sobre uso

[Sergio García Villalonga]

Buenas,

En realidad no está hecho aún. La idea es tener todos los datos geográficos
en local, pero puntualmente se hacen consultas de "Lugares de interés"
alrededor, nodos que, por la "temática" de la aplicación no se guardan en
la base de datos.

Un saludo,

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2015-09-08 15:07 GMT+02:00 María Arias de Reyna :

>
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Sergio García Villalonga <
> yayal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Buenas,
>>
>> Yo tengo otra pregunta relacionada. Si tengo una aplicación web, cuyo
>> backend hace llamadas puntuales al API de OSM, ¿está permitido? La gran
>> mayoría de datos los guardo en mi propia base de datos, pero de vez en
>> cuando hago alguna llamada.
>>
>
> Está feo. Dependiendo del uso que le des. Define "de vez en cuando".
>
> La API de OSM está más bien para bajarte los datos y servirlos tú por tu
> cuenta.
>
>
>>
>>
>> Sergio,
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik - school names

[Daniel Koć]

W dniu 09.09.2015 16:06, Dave F. napisał(a):


Probably a figment of my imagination by I thought Mapnik used to
render the names of schools. It doesn't appear to be doing so now. I'm
wondering if there's a reason for that? They're usually quite large
areas so plenty of room to fit the wording in.


It's a bug in osm-carto style and it's been already reported:

https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1800

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Re: [Talk-es] Mapping party Septiembre-Octubre en Burlada (Navarra)

[k1wi]

Yo también me apunto. A ver si nos juntamos unos cuantos.

> El 9/9/2015, a las 15:29, BasaBuru  escribió:
> 
> El Miércoles, 9 de septiembre de 2015 10:15:35 cor...@crisfer.com escribió:
>> Buenos dias a todos,
>> 
>> Me gustaría organizar una mapping party en Navarra, a ser posible en
>> Burlarda o cercanías, para finales de Septiembre u Octubre.Lo de
>> hacerlo en Burlada lo digo porque yo vivo aquí y veo que se podrían
>> mejorar muchas zonas que conozco, pero estoy abierto a cambiar de zona
>> si se decide entre todos.
>> 
> Yo me apunto. soy de pamplona... pero un novato total y absoluto
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Re: [Talk-es] Mapping party Septiembre-Octubre en Burlada (Navarra)

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El Miércoles, 9 de septiembre de 2015 10:15:35 cor...@crisfer.com escribió:
> Buenos dias a todos,
> 
> Me gustaría organizar una mapping party en Navarra, a ser posible en
> Burlarda o cercanías, para finales de Septiembre u Octubre.Lo de
> hacerlo en Burlada lo digo porque yo vivo aquí y veo que se podrían
> mejorar muchas zonas que conozco, pero estoy abierto a cambiar de zona
> si se decide entre todos.
> 
Yo me apunto. soy de pamplona... pero un novato total y absoluto

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[OSM-talk] Mapnik - school names

[Dave F.]

Hi

Probably a figment of my imagination by I thought Mapnik used to render 
the names of schools. It doesn't appear to be doing so now. I'm 
wondering if there's a reason for that? They're usually quite large 
areas so plenty of room to fit the wording in.


Cheers
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Re: [Talk-us] USDA Innovation Challenge, Food Security, OSM!

[Ryan Lash]

@Mikel- thanks for sharing

@Clifford- I also wondered about the potential for an OSM based application
regarding forest fires in Washington based on the following NPR story- "In
A Remote Part Of Washington, A Scramble To Save Cattle From Flames"

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/08/28/435498442/cattle-ranchers-scramble-to-save-herds-in-washington-state-s-okanogan-complex-fi

Here's an excerpt:

Across town at the Stockyard Café, ranchers are gathering every morning to
trade information and guzzle coffee. Among them is Craig Vejraska. We jump
in his new pickup. He has to go check on his cattle in some high mountain
meadows. He's nearly 70 years old, and he speeds at 70 mph up winding
country roads — no seat belt. His eyes narrow to the road.

"I've had a better couple of weeks, I can tell you that," he tells me.

We drive for nearly 15 miles over rugged dirt roads and flaming trees.
"There ain't no communications here, there ain't no cell phone service,
there's nothing. You're on your own," Vejraska says.

In this scorched landscape of blackened trees, ash and thick smoke, finding
black Angus cows is a problem. Vejraska has opened or cut all the fences on
his property so cattle can escape. He would drive them to safety, but the
fire is so widespread that he has few places to put them. He would have his
four sons round them up, but that's too dangerous.
It seemed to me that an OsmAnd like tool might be useful to help
coordinate the local volunteers that were already mobilizing if only there
was appropriate data in OSM to support this type of activity. I think your
idea of organizing with FFA and 4-H might be the perfect way to get such
data generated. I hope someone will run with this idea...

Best,
Ryan

On Tuesday, September 8, 2015, Clifford Snow 
wrote:

> Mikel,
> I've been wanting to contact local FFA and 4H to partner in solving the
> problem of our poor rural map data. Here in Washington State, we also have
> the problem with wildfires. They seem like a natural partner. I was
> inspired by a demo the from a local FFA group of their robotic
> submersibles. These kids are tech savvy.
>
> Clifford
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Mikel Maron  > wrote:
>
>> http://usdaapps.devpost.com/
>>
>> Can imagine all sorts of cool things using OSM ... mapping food
>> distribution network into local farmer's markets?
>>
>> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
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Re: [Talk-es] Mapping party Septiembre-Octubre en Burlada (Navarra)

[Jose Luis]

Hola K1wi,

Me alegro de contar contigo, porque según he leido por aqui eres un usuario 
experimentado y creo que tienes hasta un programa sobre autopistas.
Tanto yo como Basaburu estamos comenzando y nos vendrá muy bien ver como 
haces la cosas para aprender.

Te vendria mejor a final de Septiembre o en Octubre?
Gracias.
Saludos
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Re: [Talk-es] Mapping party Septiembre-Octubre en Burlada (Navarra)

[Moises Arcos]

Buenas tardes,

por si os puede ayudar en algo, yo participé en la organización de la I
Mapping Party [1] organizada en Sevilla.
En nuestro Github [2] podéis encontrar los datos que empleamos y los
resultados que obtuvimos.
Por último hicimos un mapa de calor [3] con la repercusión de los datos que
subimos a OSM.

Cualquier cosa que necesitéis os puedo ayudar.

Un saludo!!!

[1] https://mappingpartysevilla.wordpress.com/
[2]
https://github.com/GeoinquietosSevilla/recursos/tree/master/mappingpartysevilla
[3] http://cdb.io/1QoazpF

El 9 de septiembre de 2015, 17:25, Jose Luis  escribió:

> Hola K1wi,
>
> Me alegro de contar contigo, porque según he leido por aqui eres un
> usuario experimentado y creo que tienes hasta un programa sobre autopistas.
> Tanto yo como Basaburu estamos comenzando y nos vendrá muy bien ver como
> haces la cosas para aprender.
> Te vendria mejor a final de Septiembre o en Octubre?
> Gracias.
> Saludos
> Jose Luis
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2015-09-09 16:43 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :

> > Martin, have a look at http://osm.org/go/Zc9j8qfSV-?m (near Russ's
> > most recent example) and tell me how this section "somehow has lasted
> > or has had a strong impact that is still observable today".
>
>
> how could I tell without going there?
>



interestingly Google Maps displays parcel boundaries in that area. Have a
look...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Albert+St,+Kingston,+NY+12401/@41.9125927,-74.0154805,17.54z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x89dd0f93267eeead:0xaec8bc9c0194fb45

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Re: [Talk-es] Mapping party Septiembre-Octubre en Burlada (Navarra)

[k1wi]

Llevo algunos añicos mapeando, sí. Eso sí, no he estado en ninguna mapping 
party ni nada de esto, así que esa parte de comunidad me falta un poquico.

A mi me viene bien en septiembre y en octubre. Me da igual.

k1wi

> El 9/9/2015, a las 17:25, Jose Luis  escribió:
> 
> Hola K1wi,
> 
> Me alegro de contar contigo, porque según he leido por aqui eres un usuario 
> experimentado y creo que tienes hasta un programa sobre autopistas.
> Tanto yo como Basaburu estamos comenzando y nos vendrá muy bien ver como 
> haces la cosas para aprender.
> Te vendria mejor a final de Septiembre o en Octubre?
> Gracias.
> Saludos
> Jose Luis
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Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Am 09.09.2015 um 13:14 schrieb moltonel 3x Combo :
> 
> Martin, have a look at http://osm.org/go/Zc9j8qfSV-?m (near Russ's
> most recent example) and tell me how this section "somehow has lasted
> or has had a strong impact that is still observable today".


how could I tell without going there?

Cheers 
Martin 

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[talk-latam] OSM Costa Rica?

[Fernando]

Hola Jeffrey

Tal como prometí anoche, te escribo para ayudarte a entrar en contacto 
con la comunidad de Latam, para compartir experiencias a la hora de 
consolidar la comunidad de tu país y llevar adelante proyectos.


Para eso te recomiendo suscribirte a la lista de correo de OpenStreetMap 
Latinoamérica desde el siguiente enlace:

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-latam

El objetivo de esta lista es justamente mejorar la comunicación e 
interacción entre comunidades de distintos países.


Una vez que te registres a la lista, puedes enviar un correo 
presentándote y explicando tu inquietud de fortalecer la comunidad tica 
y exponer el proyecto que me comentaste para mapear los huertos urbanos. 
Los proyectos de este tipo, suelen activar a la comunidad y atraer 
nuevas personas.


Por cierto, ya hay una lista de correo de Costa Rica, cuya última 
actividad fué en Febrero de 2015:


https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-cr/

Es todo por ahora.
Gracias!
Fernando.

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Re: [Talk-es] Mapping party Septiembre-Octubre en Burlada (Navarra)

[Jose Luis]

Estupendo, no te preocupes yo tambien soy novato pero seguro que se apunta 
alguien con experiencia que nos pueda poner al dia.
Lo único que faltaria seria concretar la fecha, te viene mejor en Septiembre 
o en Octubre?

Gracias.
Saludos
Jose Luis 



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Re: [Talk-it] Armadi Telecom

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2015-09-09 14:31 GMT+02:00 Stefano Pallicca :

> conviene utilizzare più valori per la key operator o creare più nodi?



farei più nodi, uno per ogni armadio.

Ciao,
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Re: [OSM-talk] The wki pages ... for the mapper? or the render? or both?

[Warin]

On 9/09/2015 3:36 PM, Maarten Deen wrote:

On 2015-09-09 05:18, Warin wrote:

The some of the wiki pages appear to be written for the renders, while
others look to be written for the mappers. This is confusing!
I believe there should be two versions of the wiki pages - one for
mappers who need simple descriptions of the tag/s and another for
renders that give information on rendering the tag/s. So two pages -
mappers version and renders version.


I think most "key" pages have both.
The information has been mixed up together. I would rather see it 
separated so that th emaper is not presented with the renders information.



As a small example;
The properties page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Properties
this list a number of what a mapper would call an object (bridge,
tunnel, cutting)
but a render associates with another object to render it correctly and
thus calls it a property.
Thus there are two conflicting views that lead to confusion.


But all the properties on that page have their own page which gives 
(sometimes more, sometimes less) detailed instructions on how to use 
them.
It is a summary page, just like shops, highways etc have summary pages - 
these are mostly helpfull for new comers.


This is also not really a page that has to be viewed on its own. It is 
part of the bigger overview of map features on 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features
I also think it needs a cleanup. For instance: frequency. Why is that 
under properties when it is also mentioned in railways? Is it used in 
other place (and powerlines)?
Frequency is also a property of power lines, communication, radio and 
radio telescope antennas


Do you have other examples?

I think open_hours is a mix of mappers and renders views.


Regards,
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Re: [OSM-talk] The wki pages ... for the mapper? or the render? or both?

[Warin]

On 9/09/2015 3:40 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:


sent from a phone


Am 09.09.2015 um 05:18 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:

this list a number of what a mapper would call an object (bridge, tunnel, 
cutting)
but a render associates with another object to render it correctly and thus 
calls it a property.


these are properties, because they are added to an object to detail its 
position (on a bridge, in a tunnel or cutting), they do not map the bridge, 
tunnel or cutting itself, just referring it indirectly.



Using that logic

a parking area is a property of a parking aisle.

a fuel station is a property of a driveway.

and so on.

Bridges, tunnel and cuttings are physical objects that have their own 
properties (names, heights, widths, materials etc)
that can be independent of whatever else they may be related to.

A single bridge may carry a roadway, rail lines, water pipes, gas pipes and 
electrical supply lines.
I would not view the bridge as a property of any of those things but as an 
entity itself.


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Re: [OSM-ja] 「State of the Map Japan 2015」講演を募集致します。

[ikiya]

SotM Japan実行委員のikiyaです。


現在、10月31日、静岡県浜松市で開催予定の「State of the Map Japan 2015」について講演を募集しております。
応募締切は今週末１２日（土）となっております。
すでにご応募いただいておりますが、是非この機会に多く方に発表いただければと考えています。
ご自身や、グループでの活動、技術的な知見、試みなどOSM関わることについて情報共有、交流を深めてみませんか。

皆様のご応募お待ちしております。宜しくお願い致します。


【 講演内容 】
OpenStreetMapに関わるマッピング活動やコミュニティ活動、技術的な内容の報告や紹介、提案等について講演を募集致します。

【 講演枠 】
講演A　　20分間
講演B  　10分間

【 エントリー方法
 】
講演募集につきましてはプロポーザル形式をとります。
SotM Japanサイト https://stateofthemap.jp  から講演者プロフィール、講演内容をエントリーしていただき、SotM 
Japan実行委員会の承認を経て講演を決定致します。

１．SotM Japanサイト https://stateofthemap.jp 
でユーザー登録を行ってください。ユーザー登録はトップ画面右上の「ユーザー登録」ボタンから行えます。
２．ユーザー登録後、サイトにログインします。
３．サイト上段メニューにあります「講演者向け」をクリック、「投稿の提案」と「講演者プロフィール提出」が表示されますので、こちらから講演者ご自身のプロフィールと講演の提案内容を記入願います。





- Original Message -
>From: ikiya 
>To: "talk-ja@openstreetmap.org"  
>Date: 2015/8/24, Mon 10:03
>Subject: [OSM-ja] 「State of the Map Japan 2015」講演を募集致します。
> 
>
>SotM Japan実行委員のikiyaです。
>
>10月31日、静岡県浜松市で開催されますOpenStreetMap年次国内会議「State of the Map Japan 
>2015」につきまして講演を募集致します。
>是非、この機会にOSMに関する発表を通じて、交流を深めてみてはいかがでしょうか。多くの方のエントリーをお待ちしています。
>講演内容、講演枠、エントリー方法は以下の通りとなります。
>
>【 講演内容 】
>OpenStreetMapに関わるマッピング活動やコミュニティ活動、技術的な内容の報告や紹介、提案等について講演を募集致します。
>
>【 講演枠 】
>講演A　　20分間
>講演B  　10分間
>
>【 エントリー方法
 】
>講演募集につきましてはプロポーザル形式をとります。
>SotM Japanサイト https://stateofthemap.jp  から講演者プロフィール、講演内容をエントリーしていただき、SotM 
>Japan実行委員会の承認を経て講演を決定致します。
>
>１．SotM Japanサイト https://stateofthemap.jp 
>でユーザー登録を行ってください。ユーザー登録はトップ画面右上の「ユーザー登録」ボタンから行えます。
>２．ユーザー登録後、サイトにログインします。
>３．サイト上段メニューにあります「講演者向け」をクリック、「投稿の提案」と「講演者プロフィール提出」が表示されますので、こちらから講演者ご自身のプロフィールと講演の提案内容を記入願います。
>
>【 募集締め切り 】
>　9月12日（土）
>
>
>「State of the Map Japan
 2015」
>
>主催:   State of the Map Japan実行委員会
>共催:   一社）オープンストリートマップ・ファウンデーション・ジャパン
>　　　（公財）浜松地域イノベーション推進機構
>　　    オープンストリートマップ東海
>後援(予定)：OSGeo財団日本支部
>
>期日：    2015年10月31日（土）
>会場：　浜松アクトシティ　研修交流センター
>〒430-7790　静岡県浜松市中区中央3-9-1
>http://www.actcity.jp/sponcer/seminar/
>
>ホームページ：  https://stateofthemap.jp/
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Re: [Talk-it-trentino] Per conoscenza Fwd: Richiesta rispetto licenza OpenStreetMap

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​​Estimados maperos:

¿Alguien en Bogotá que pueda asistir (y ojalá grabar) este evento?

Saludos,

Humberto Yances

- - - - - - -

Buenas tardes,

En tiempos de la Revolución de Datos, el Big Data y la agenda de desarrollo
2030, es importante generar espacios de discusión sobre las brechas de
información para potencializar la innovación y la calidad de datos.

CEPEI, Telefónica, WWF y la Cámara de Comercio de Bogotá, convocan a una
mesa de diálogo en la que participará como invitado especial, *Sanjeev
Khagram (Ph.D.), Coordinador General de la la Alianza Global de Datos para
el Desarrollo Sostenible *y experto mundial en desarrollo sostenible,
globalización y alianzas multi-actores.

El objetivo de este diálogo será debatir sobre los requerimientos
necesarios para dar un salto cualitativo en la calidad y disponibilidad de
la información para que sea útil –y se utilice para- la toma de decisiones
en todos los niveles para implementar los Objetivos de Desarrollo
Sostenible.



Se adjunta nota conceptual.
​
 nota conceptual Ecosistema de Datos.pdf

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Septiembre 17, 2015

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Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

[Russ Nelson]

Mateusz Konieczny writes:
 > Now it is done with railways and may be stopped. But if completely
 > dismantled railways are not deleted from OSM what would stop somebody
 > interested in mapping completely destroyed buildings, canals etc?

This is a strawman argument. Nobody is proposing this. You're just
borrowing trouble from the future. Don't do that. The present has
enough trouble already. Like not having enough people mapping in the
US, which is my point here. We have a set of people who are interested
in maps and mapping, AND YOU GUYS ARE THRUSTING THEM AWAY.

Let me tell you a little story. The USGS has been mapping the US for
well over a hundred years now. Very precisely mapping it, including
railroads. Some people who wanted to find these old railroads realized
this, and started digitizing the maps so that everyone can have
them. That set of maps is still available at
http://docs.unh.edu/nhtopos/nhtopos.htm even though the USGS has begun
its own digitization program.

Thank you railfans, not "get lost" railfans.

Another railfan took those scans (which are four scans per map sheet),
combined them into a single map sheet, geo-rectified them,
color-corrected them, and marked the collar so it may be removed, and
published them.

Thank you railfans, not "get lost" railfans.

Another railfan took those maps, stripped off the collars, pasted them
into MSMaps-style 200x200 pixel UTM tiles, and published them at
http://rutlandtrail.org/mapview.cgi under the "Historical" style.

Thank you railfans, not "get lost" railfans.

Am I being unreasonable to suggest that we should welcome railfans to
OSM, and tolerate their wild and crazy desire to map every part of an
old railroad, even the dismantled portions? Particularly when (in
another thread) there is a discussion of how to recruit specialized
groups like the 4-H into OSM?

You guys are saying "get lost" because OSM rejects (some of) the data
railfans want to contribute.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

[Russ Nelson]

Frederik Ramm writes:
 > The total number of such things is relatively small. I can continue
 > to state that abandoned railways should not be in OSM(**) and Russ
 > Nelson can continue to claim otherwise but that is really a minor
 > skirmish that won't bring the project to a halt.

Kinda-sorta. You're from Germany, where you can't throw a stone
without hitting a mapper. New York State is about a third the size of
Germany, and has maybe two dozen active mappers (Simple check: look
for landuse.)

Can you see how I am feeling lonely and desperate for company? Even if
we have to tolerate that company putting their feet up on the table
and  mapping abandoned railroads?

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Nouvelles communes à venir en Normandie

[mathy_ch]

Bonjour,


Tout d’abord, 2 mots sur moi car je rejoins la liste de diffusion : je suis 
mappeur actif dans la région de Cherbourg et là ou je passe,
Concernant la création de la commune Cherbourg-en-Cotentin, je suis 
particulièrement concerné car habite actuellement la zone géographique 
concernée.

Une petite question car le cas va se présenter : comment est il possible de 
gérer au niveau de leur nom, 2 rues différentes appartenant à 2 communes 
différentes avant fusion  se retrouvant dans la nouvelle super commune ?


Christophe



Le 9 sept. 2015 à 10:20, Vincent de Château-Thierry  a écrit :

> Bonjour,
> 
> 2 infos récentes sur un même thème :
> * création de la commune de Cherbourg-en-Cotentin
> http://www.ouest-france.fr/creation-de-cherbourg-en-cotentin-cherbourg-octeville-vote-oui-3671091
> via Georezo [1]
> 
> * création de la commune Les Thuits
> http://www.paris-normandie.fr/detail_article/articles/3963634/actualites+politique/le-thuit-signol-le-thuit-anger-et-le-thuit-simer-ne-formeront-bientot-plus-qu-une
> via @ParvillersH [2]
> 
> Dans les 2 cas le changement de statut ne sera effectif qu'au 01/01/2016
> 
> vincent
> 
> [1] : http://georezo.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=272704#p272704
> [2] : https://twitter.com/ParvillersH/status/641494764437770240
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Nouvelles communes à venir en Normandie

[Vincent de Château-Thierry]

Bonjour Christophe, et la bienvenue

Le 10/09/2015 06:54, mathy...@yahoo.fr a écrit :


Tout d’abord, 2 mots sur moi car je rejoins la liste de diffusion : je suis 
mappeur actif dans la région de Cherbourg et là ou je passe,
Concernant la création de la commune Cherbourg-en-Cotentin, je suis 
particulièrement concerné car habite actuellement la zone géographique 
concernée.

Une petite question car le cas va se présenter : comment est il possible de 
gérer au niveau de leur nom, 2 rues différentes appartenant à 2 communes 
différentes avant fusion  se retrouvant dans la nouvelle super commune ?


Tu parles de rues ayant le même nom ?

vincent

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Re: [OSM-talk] The wiki pages ... for the mapper? or the render? or both?

[Mateusz Konieczny]

On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 10:06:17 +1000
Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 9/09/2015 3:36 PM, Maarten Deen wrote:
> > On 2015-09-09 05:18, Warin wrote:
> >> The some of the wiki pages appear to be written for the renders,
> >> while others look to be written for the mappers. This is confusing!
> >> I believe there should be two versions of the wiki pages - one for
> >> mappers who need simple descriptions of the tag/s and another for
> >> renders that give information on rendering the tag/s. So two pages
> >> - mappers version and renders version.
> >
> > I think most "key" pages have both.
> The information has been mixed up together. I would rather see it 
> separated so that th emaper is not presented with the renders
> information.

What do you mean by that? Why mapper in your opinion should not be
"presented with the renders information"? Also - what is "renders
information" that supposedly is useless for mapper?

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Re: [Talk-GB] BBC4 tonight 9 pm - A Very British Map: the Ordnance Survey Story

[mick]

On Wed, 09 Sep 2015 18:59:59 +0100
Philip Barnes  wrote:

> Spotted this on the Rambler-Net list.
> 
> In case you hadn't already spotted this:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06b36q3
> 
> See also:
> http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/blog/2015/09/watch-os-on-bbc4-in-a-very
> -british-map-the-ordnance-survey-story/
> 
> Phil (trigpoint)

bugger

I can't get BBC4 on my tv :{

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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Russ Nelson]

Ian Dees writes:
 > Let's stop trying to generate conflict where there isn't any, Russ.

I understand your desire to sweep conflict under the rug, to pretend
it doesn't exist, to think that we only map what "we" can see. But *I*
see an abandoned railroad here. Let's all sing Kumbaya, hug, and get
along. Which we CAN if people would only stop destroying what other
people have done.

Look at these two photos and tell me what you can see, what you can
"verify":

https://goo.gl/photos/G41ehgPJyfEWcvwH7
https://goo.gl/photos/FfgSS5bDMQ3XW7MX8

What's this? Is it a trail or is it an abandoned railroad? See the
spike? Where did it come from if not the abandoned railroad?
Or the lump of coal hundreds of miles from any coal field?

It's not a track. It's an abandoned railroad that is being *used* as a
track.

I'm not asking anybody else to map it as an abandoned railroad.
I'm asking people to respect MY tagging of it as an abandoned
railroad. Because when I see a spike, or a lump of coal, or a "road"
which is level where no road needed to be but a railroad did, I map it
as an abandoned railroad.

Don't destroy other people's mapping. Why is this not obvious?
Don't vandalize OSM!

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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Russ Nelson]

Mateusz Konieczny writes:
 > On 7 Sep 2015 15:31:02 -
 > Russ Nelson  wrote:
 > 
 > > people who reject mapping abandoned railroads
 > 
 > Nobody is against mapping abandoned railroads that are existing.

Ian Dees writes:
 > If it used to be rails and now its a trail, we should map it as a
 > trail. If it used to be rails and now its a bare embankment, we map
 > it as an embankment.

Dear Mr. Konieczny, I would like you to introduce you to Mr. Dees,
whom you have just called a "nobody".

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Re: [OSM-talk] Railways yet again (was "THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject")

[Russ Nelson]

Andy Townsend writes:
 > If there's something new to add I, as an OSM list-reading punter*, would 
 > be glad to read it (perhaps on the tagging list if that's what it's 
 > about) but frankly it's all getting a bit repetitive.

This time around it's: who do we encourage to contribute to OSM?
Because if railway=abandoned is the current red-headed stepchild, who
is to be the next red-headed stepchild?

Deletionists delete. It's what they do. "I didn't see it" is always a
valid reason to delete something, right? Oh, you can add it back,
saying "I went there, and I saw it," but that's exactly what I'm
saying, and a handful of people are rejecting that idea.

They will reap what they have sown.

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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Mateusz Konieczny]

On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 23:23:06 -0400
Russ Nelson  wrote:

> Mateusz Konieczny writes:
>  > On 7 Sep 2015 15:31:02 -
>  > Russ Nelson  wrote:
>  > 
>  > > people who reject mapping abandoned railroads
>  > 
>  > Nobody is against mapping abandoned railroads that are existing.
> 
> Ian Dees writes:
>  > If it used to be rails and now its a trail, we should map it as a
>  > trail. If it used to be rails and now its a bare embankment, we map
>  > it as an embankment.
> 
> Dear Mr. Konieczny, I would like you to introduce you to Mr. Dees,
> whom you have just called a "nobody".

It seems that you missed

> If it used to be rails and now its a trail, we should map it as a
> trail. If it used to be rails and now its a bare embankment, we map
> it as an embankment.

in the quoted message.

(situation A) currently there is a railway -> railway should be mapped
(situation B) currently there is a trail and railway -> trail and
railway should be mapped
(situation C) currently there is a trail -> trail should be mapped
(situation D) currently there is neither trail nor railway -> neither
trail nor railway may be mapped

What was situation in the past does not matter.

Ian describes place that changed from situation A to situation C.
Therefore currently only trail is mapped.

The same applies to the second part:

(situation A) currently there is a railway -> railway should be mapped
(situation B) currently there is a railway on embankment -> embankment
and railway should be mapped
(situation C) currently there is a bare* embankment -> embankment should
be mapped (situation D) currently there is neither railway nor
embankment -> neither embankment nor railway may be mapped

What was situation in the past does not matter. We are not mapping
history (who, how and why constructed embankment).

*bare embankment - without rail, railway signals etc.

As I understand this conflict is about whatever embankment itself is
"existing railroad". In my opinion not. 

Though I am not as strongly convinced as on topic whatever completely
demolished railroad (former spur replaced by houses and supermarket) is
mappable.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Railways yet again (was "THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject")

[Russ Nelson]

Frederik Ramm writes:
 > But what if I have said the same thing five times already and the others
 > STILL don't see that I'm RIGHT

Nobody has told me how I can create a relation which hops between OSM
and OHM. Nobody has told me how I can have a node keep the same
location in both OSM and OHM. Nobody has told me how I can tag a way
which exists in OSM as railway=abandoned in OHM.

I have a different solution, one which works today and doesn't require
some fantasy software to be invented later: Map entities which are
partially destroyed and partially existing, and tag them exactly that
way.

You want to know what's different, Frederik? This go-around, I now
understand the problem that I'm facing: that OSM putatively rejects
historical objects, and yet the object in this case is a railway which
is partially gone and partially present, but what is to be mapped is
not the parts, but the whole.

Not asking you to do it. Asking that you support a policy of allowing
it.

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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Mateusz Konieczny]

On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 23:15:42 -0400
Russ Nelson  wrote:

> Look at these two photos and tell me what you can see, what you can
> "verify":
> 
> https://goo.gl/photos/G41ehgPJyfEWcvwH7
> https://goo.gl/photos/FfgSS5bDMQ3XW7MX8
> 
> What's this? Is it a trail or is it an abandoned railroad? See the
> spike? Where did it come from if not the abandoned railroad?
> Or the lump of coal hundreds of miles from any coal field?
> 
> It's not a track. 

This is a track. 

> It's an abandoned railroad that is being *used* as a track.

I am not convinced that leftover rubbish makes it railroad. There is
plenty of old metal and coal in many other places.

My cousin has in basement more coal and rail-related metal and it does
not mean that it can be mapped as an abandoned railroad.

That in this case old rubbish is at location that used to contain
railroad is not important - we are not mapping past.

Mapping state of Forum Romanum 2000 years ago would make more sense
(note to make it clear - I am convinced that Forum Romanum and other
places should be mapped at its current state).

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Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

[Russ Nelson]

Mateusz Konieczny writes:
 > On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 01:54:20 -0400
 > Russ Nelson  wrote:
 > 
 > > Why do you persist? You can't win, because you're wrong.
 > 
 > Please, stop treating it as some zero-sum game. I am not trying to
 > "win".

You're arguing with me, and you don't expect to win the argument?? Why
would you bother? In particular, it *is* a zero-sum game. If you get
to delete abandoned railways, I don't get to see them in my own
rendering or in OpenRailwayMap.

 > I am trying to ensure that editing of OSM will not be made
 > harder by presence of ways representing completely destroyed objects
 > or ridiculous relations containing features approximately following
 > track of former, no longer existing objects.

That's the sticky problem: the railway still exists. Part of it may be
an embankment, or a cut, or a bridge, or a straight line of trees, or
a track. Part of it may go through a field where the farmer has plowed
it away (but I can point you to fields where you can still see
cinders). Part of it may go through a housing development (but I can
show you tree lines where it went). Those latter two parts should be
tagged railway=dismantled.

 > Editing OSM is already complicated, there is no good reason to make it
 > even harder by adding confusing features editable only by experts.

Here's how to make it less hard: Don't delete things you didn't
add. (Oh, and don't edit coastlines).
Isn't that easy?

Now, it's not always true, but it's a simple rule of thumb that will
allow everyone to add their favorite thing to OSM, whether stores,
park benches, fire hydrants, trees, cliffs, etc.

Are there other problems that you fear will occur when people map all
the parts of a railway?

I'm thinking that maybe what we need is a censoring OSM API, where the
people who would be confused by dismantled railways could say "I want
the censored OSM", and then they wouldn't get any dismantled railways
in their data download.

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Re: [talk-ph] MMDA's "Mabuhay" Lanes

[Ervin Malicdem]

Thanks Tutubi!
Can you specify which route number so I can check?

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015, 05:50 tutubi 
wrote:

> Ervin,
>
> there's at least one route there with wrong durection, confused with left
> or right when i read it
>
> on congestion, what happened since Monday motorists avoided EDSA and
> congested inner roads.
>
> example is Gilmore, travel time to navigate the road now 15 minutes more.
> I may have to find an alternate to the alternate
>
> I'm avoiding Araneta due to Skyway construction and floods, Balete is
> congested too. I think Betty Go-Belmonte is a go but the inner roads near
> Cubao are congested :(
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 9, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Ervin Malicdem  wrote:
>
> I have recently created relations for MMDA's alternate routes to decongest
> EDSA and major highways in Metro Manila.
>
> Be informed though that by plying through these alternate routes, you are
> still prone to congestion as you encounter traffic lights and flood prone
> areas.
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33905171
>
>
> Ervin M.
> *Schadow1 Expeditions* - A Filipino must not be a stranger to his own
> motherland.
> http://www.s1expeditions.com
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Re: [Talk-GB] BBC4 tonight 9 pm - A Very British Map: the Ordnance Survey Story

[Andy Townsend]

On 10/09/2015 04:16, mick wrote:

On Wed, 09 Sep 2015 18:59:59 +0100
Philip Barnes  wrote:


Spotted this on the Rambler-Net list.

In case you hadn't already spotted this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06b36q3

See also:
http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/blog/2015/09/watch-os-on-bbc4-in-a-very
-british-map-the-ordnance-survey-story/

Phil (trigpoint)

bugger

I can't get BBC4 on my tv :{



http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b06b36q3

should work for a month or so.

Cheers,

Andy



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Nouvelles communes à venir en Normandie

[Christophe Mathy]

Oui c'est ça

 Message d'origine 
De : Vincent de Château-Thierry  
Date :2015/09/10  7:21  (GMT+01:00) 
A : Discussions sur OSM en français  
Objet : Re: [OSM-talk-fr]
  Nouvelles communes à venir en Normandie 

Bonjour Christophe, et la bienvenue

Le 10/09/2015 06:54, mathy...@yahoo.fr a écrit :
>
> Tout d’abord, 2 mots sur moi car je rejoins la liste de diffusion : je suis 
> mappeur actif dans la région de Cherbourg et là ou je passe,
> Concernant la création de la commune Cherbourg-en-Cotentin, je suis 
> particulièrement concerné car habite actuellement la zone géographique 
> concernée.
>
> Une petite question car le cas va se présenter : comment est il possible de 
> gérer au niveau de leur nom, 2 rues différentes appartenant à 2 communes 
> différentes avant fusion  se retrouvant dans la nouvelle super commune ?

Tu parles de rues ayant le même nom ?

vincent

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Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Am 09.09.2015 um 19:12 schrieb moltonel 3x Combo :
> 
> The line is going through multiple buildings and a wide low wall.
> That's as unambiguous as it gets.


yes, looking at google maps I noticed an offset compared to the road and to the 
railway parcel in google, I guess the position of the railway in osm is 
slightly offset.


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Re: [Talk-it] ortogonalizzazione lati in Josm

[Alessandro]

Il 09/09/2015 20:10, Damjan Gerl ha scritto:

Potrebbe essere un problema di proiezione usata per le coordinate? So
che nelle ultime versioni di josm hanno cambiato qualcosa. Sotto
preferenze -> impostazioni della mappa -> proiezione  cosa hai impostato?



E' una richiesta da un utente che non frequenta la ML. Gli giro la domanda.


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[Talk-GB] BBC4 tonight 9 pm - A Very British Map: the Ordnance Survey Story

[Philip Barnes]

Spotted this on the Rambler-Net list.

In case you hadn't already spotted this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06b36q3

See also:
http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/blog/2015/09/watch-os-on-bbc4-in-a-very
-british-map-the-ordnance-survey-story/

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Re: [Talk-it] ortogonalizzazione lati in Josm

[Damjan Gerl]

Potrebbe essere un problema di proiezione usata per le coordinate? So 
che nelle ultime versioni di josm hanno cambiato qualcosa. Sotto 
preferenze -> impostazioni della mappa -> proiezione  cosa hai impostato?


Ciao
Damjan


09.09.2015 - 19:42 - Alessandro:

Ricevo via messaggio e ritrasmetto in lista:


Buonasera! Ho un problema con Josm: gli angoli che in OSM (e anche in
Potlatch 2) sono retti in JOSM appaiono deformati come se il rapporto
tra x e y fosse alterato (in pratica la y in scala minore... schiacciata).

 Non sono sicuro d'aver capito. Dando il comando di
ortogonalizzazione gli angoli risultano diversi da 90° o si alterano le
lunghezze dei lati?

Ecco: Nell' area di visualizzazione della mappa in Josm compaiono non
ortogonali quegli angoli che su OSM sono retti Non ho trovato il
modo di far visualizzare correttamente JOSM. Dando il comando di
ortogonalizzazione su JOSM si ottiene visivamente un risultato corretto
ma quando si osserva su OSM la figura appare deformata...

E' una cosa fastidiosa... Se qualche luminare mi volesse aiutare... Guido

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Re: [OSM-talk] Motion: Dedicated mailing list for abandoned railways

[Michael Reichert]

Hi Jukka,

Am 2015-09-09 um 09:48 schrieb Jukka Rahkonen:
> I suggest to make a new mailing list for those who want to talk about
> abandoned railways. I can see that such does not exist yet
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo. It has already suggested to use
> the Historic list https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/historic/ but I
> have understood that abandoned railways are special and therefore they
> deserve a dedicated list.

I do not think that we need a dedicated mailing list just for abandoned
railway lines. There are already two mailing list in this field and you
can choose where you want to discuss something.

OpenRailwayMap mailing list
http://lists.openrailwaymap.org/lists/listinfo/openrailwaymap
also available via NNTP via Gmane:
gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.openrailwaymap
Due to the concentration of detailed railway mapping in Germany, it is a
German and English mailing list. And you may read a lot about details of
German railway signalling and German railway operating rules/laws.

Historical mailing list
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/historic
also available via NNTP via Gmane:
gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.historic

Best regards

Michael


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Re: [Talk-it] problema svolte - casello Piovene-Rocchette

[beppebo...@libero.it]

Tempo fa in altro svincolo mi dava dei problemi con obbligo di andare dritto...
ho sostituito con svolta a dx e svolta a sx levrelative uscite e i problemi si 
eran risolti...sinceramente non ne ho capito il motivo probabilmente ci sarà 
qualche conflitto nei nodi

>Messaggio originale
>Da: max1234...@gmail.com
>Data: 09/09/2015 10.58
>A: 
>Ogg: Re: [Talk-it] problema svolte - casello Piovene-Rocchette
>
>Le ho aggiunte io ieri. Ben sapendo che sono ridondanti, volevo vedere se x
>caso venivano riconosciute almeno loro. Ovviamente nessun risultato, per cui
>ora le ho tolte.
>
>Ora ho provato a forzare la "svolta a destra" provenendo dallo svincolo ed
>ho anche leggermente modificato la geometria, facendo in modo che rampa
>d'uscita e d'ingresso non s'incontrino nello stesso punto. Anche così, però,
>la manovra suggerita è "U-turn" verso la rampa a doppio senso di
>percorrenza.
>
>La cosa strana è che anche aggiungendo una restriction "no_u_turn" il
>routing continua ad indicare proprio la svolta "proibita" da quest'ultima.
>
>Ho però notato che l'itinerario mostrato dal sito sembra disallineato
>rispetto alla situazione attuale della mappa (le strade vengono visualizzate
>come le ho aggiornate 5 minuti fa, mentre il routing continua a comportarsi
>come se non avessi fatto modifiche, indicando una way che ora ho diviso in 2
>tronconi. 
>Qualcuno sa ogni quanto tempo viene fatto il refresh?
>
>Ciao,
>Msax
>
>
>
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[Talk-it] Via Garibaldi

[Federico Cortese]

Ciao a tutti,
vorrei segnalare che col changeset
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33893514, tutte le "Via
Garibaldi" di tutta Italia (651 ways) sono diventate "Via Giuseppe
Garibaldi". Stessa sorte è toccata a tutte le fermate bus (4 nodes)
che erano state denominate "Via Garibaldi".
Ora magari la correzione andava bene per la maggior parte delle vie,
anche se non ci metterei la mano sul fuoco, voi cosa ne pensate?
Ciao

Federico

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Re: [Talk-cl] Felicitaciones sotm latam 2015

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

¡Gracias Cristián, Danilo, Carlos, Ricardo y a todos quienes pudieron
asistir al primer State of the Map LatAm!

Está claro que se puede mejorar mcho, pero a pesar de como me sentía al
final del primer día (un poco avergonzado de nuestro desorden inicial), al
terminar el tercero quede con una sensación de que habíamos logrado llevar
el tema de menos a más y que todos estaban felices con el resultado. Si hay
algo que tengo que reconocer es que la parrilla de charlistas y temas
estuvo muy buena desde el principio, y que incluso a pesar de las
ausencias, todos los comentarios que he recibido al respecto han sido
positivos.

En la medida que el trabajo me lo permita, pretendo escribir un mensaje a
todos los asistentes está semana, agradeciendo y transmitiendo mi visión
sobre la conferencia.

Saludos,

Julio Costa Zambelli
Fundación OpenStreetMap Chile

julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl

http://www.openstreetmap.cl/
Cel: +56(9)89981083

2015-09-07 9:56 GMT-03:00 Cristián Serpell :

> Aunque no pude ir ayer último día, felicito a los (el) organizadores. Fue
> muy entretenido y provechoso. Muchas gracias y espero siga avanzando la
> comunidad.
>
> Cristián
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Re: [Talk-it] Via Garibaldi

[Leonardo Frassetto]

Onestamente un rename  così importante su tutto il territorio andava
discusso in lista prima...chi è l'autore? Può esprimersi qui in lista?
Il 09/set/2015 22:42, "Federico Cortese"  ha scritto:

> Ciao a tutti,
> vorrei segnalare che col changeset
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33893514, tutte le "Via
> Garibaldi" di tutta Italia (651 ways) sono diventate "Via Giuseppe
> Garibaldi". Stessa sorte è toccata a tutte le fermate bus (4 nodes)
> che erano state denominate "Via Garibaldi".
> Ora magari la correzione andava bene per la maggior parte delle vie,
> anche se non ci metterei la mano sul fuoco, voi cosa ne pensate?
> Ciao
>
> Federico
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Re: [Talk-it] Via Garibaldi

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Il 09/09/2015 22:41, Federico Cortese ha scritto:
> Ciao a tutti,
> vorrei segnalare che col changeset
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33893514, tutte le "Via
> Garibaldi" di tutta Italia (651 ways) sono diventate "Via Giuseppe
> Garibaldi". Stessa sorte è toccata a tutte le fermate bus (4 nodes)
> che erano state denominate "Via Garibaldi".
> Ora magari la correzione andava bene per la maggior parte delle vie,
> anche se non ci metterei la mano sul fuoco, voi cosa ne pensate?
> Ciao
> 
> Federico
>

La penso come te, guardando il profilo dell'utente Dgitto non mi sembra uno
spammatore, per cui, sarebbe il caso di mandargli una mail, anche perchè un
cambiamento del genere andrebbe prima discusso, se non qui in lista
italiana, sicuramente in lista globale.


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[Talk-it] ortogonalizzazione lati in Josm

[Alessandro]

Ricevo via messaggio e ritrasmetto in lista:


Buonasera! Ho un problema con Josm: gli angoli che in OSM (e anche in 
Potlatch 2) sono retti in JOSM appaiono deformati come se il rapporto 
tra x e y fosse alterato (in pratica la y in scala minore... schiacciata).


Non sono sicuro d'aver capito. Dando il comando di 
ortogonalizzazione gli angoli risultano diversi da 90° o si alterano le 
lunghezze dei lati?


Ecco: Nell' area di visualizzazione della mappa in Josm compaiono non 
ortogonali quegli angoli che su OSM sono retti Non ho trovato il 
modo di far visualizzare correttamente JOSM. Dando il comando di 
ortogonalizzazione su JOSM si ottiene visivamente un risultato corretto 
ma quando si osserva su OSM la figura appare deformata...


E' una cosa fastidiosa... Se qualche luminare mi volesse aiutare... Guido

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Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

[moltonel 3x Combo]

On 09/09/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:
>> Am 09.09.2015 um 13:14 schrieb moltonel 3x Combo :
>>
>> Martin, have a look at http://osm.org/go/Zc9j8qfSV-?m (near Russ's
>> most recent example) and tell me how this section "somehow has lasted
>> or has had a strong impact that is still observable today".
>
> how could I tell without going there?

I thought I had preemptively answered that :

On 09/09/2015, moltonel 3x Combo  wrote:
> When stuff have been contructed over the former railroad like this,
> there's no need for a local survey to see that nothing is left. IMHO,
> at most a section of Albert Street could have railway=abandoned as an
> additional tag. I have my doubts about the sections under the forest
> too, but that requires a survey to assert.

The line is going through multiple buildings and a wide low wall.
That's as unambiguous as it gets. The lack of any other sign on the
grass and highway areas are an additional good hint. If you're mapping
a railroad here, you're mapping the past.

Or are you saying that the imagery might be too old, the railway could
have been restored since ? The imagery was taken around the same time
as the first changeset, and the changeset sources either say nothing,
or bing, or osm wiki (!).

Talking about past features, tagging gauge=* on a railway=abandoned
way (which by definition does not have any tracks left) should be an
impossible combination. Tagging electrified=* is also a funny idea.

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Re: [Talk-GB] BBC4 tonight 9 pm - A Very British Map: the Ordnance Survey Story

[Dave F.]

I wonder if it will mention how the OS is ripping off the people of Britain.

Dave F.

On 09/09/2015 18:59, Philip Barnes wrote:

Spotted this on the Rambler-Net list.

In case you hadn't already spotted this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06b36q3

See also:
http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/blog/2015/09/watch-os-on-bbc4-in-a-very
-british-map-the-ordnance-survey-story/

Phil (trigpoint)

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Wochennotiz Nr. 268 1.9.–7.9.2015

[wnreader]

Hallo,

die Wochennotiz Nr. 268 mit allen wichtigen Neuigkeiten aus der OpenStreetMap 
Welt ist da: 

http://blog.openstreetmap.de/blog/2015/09/wochennotiz-nr-268/

Viel Spaß beim Lesen!



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Re: [talk-ph] MMDA's "Mabuhay" Lanes

[tutubi]

Ervin,

there's at least one route there with wrong durection, confused with left or 
right when i read it

on congestion, what happened since Monday motorists avoided EDSA and congested 
inner roads.

example is Gilmore, travel time to navigate the road now 15 minutes more. I may 
have to find an alternate to the alternate

I'm avoiding Araneta due to Skyway construction and floods, Balete is congested 
too. I think Betty Go-Belmonte is a go but the inner roads near Cubao are 
congested :(

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> On Sep 9, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Ervin Malicdem  wrote:
> 
> I have recently created relations for MMDA's alternate routes to decongest 
> EDSA and major highways in Metro Manila.
> 
> Be informed though that by plying through these alternate routes, you are 
> still prone to congestion as you encounter traffic lights and flood prone 
> areas.
> 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33905171
> 
> 
> Ervin M.
> Schadow1 Expeditions - A Filipino must not be a stranger to his own 
> motherland.
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