Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[john whelan]

> it's about scoring points and winning the argument.

Unfortunately I think that is the way OSM has gone.  There seems little
regard for requirements or what are we trying to do or what our end users,
the people who use the maps, would like.

HOT is slightly different they at least recognise they have end user
clients and try to satisfy them.

Cheerio John

On 12 September 2015 at 14:16, Colin Smale  wrote:

>
>
>
> Respect to Russ for standing up for his principles in the face of all this
> bullying. Nobody has given a *consistent* answer yet. Why are "former
> railway lines" which are no longer immediately evident on the ground
> forbidden so vehemently in OSM when so many other artefacts from the past
> are not? Old_name, Roman roads, closed pubs, end_date, etc etc. And why are
> some esoteric tags to support a minority interest tolerated and some so
> hotly disputed? Why are some "mapping patterns" decried so vociferously
> here, but apparently they are not actually serious enough to do anything
> about?
>
> What happened to the openness of OSM? This "discussion" doesn't seem to be
> about OSM any more, it's about scoring points and winning the argument. If
> you have the courage of your convictions, you will be contacting other
> mappers right, left and centre informing of them of their "transgressions
> of the unwritten rules" and reverting their changes. It's nobody's private
> map. Let's live and let live.
>
> On 2015-09-12 19:38, Ian Dees wrote:
>
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Russ Nelson  wrote:
>
>> Dave F. writes:
>>  > On 12/09/2015 03:18, Russ Nelson wrote:
>>  > > Dave F. writes:
>>  > >   > >   Because when I see a spike, or a lump of coal, or a "road"
>>  > >   > > which is level where no road needed to be but a railroad did,
>> I map it
>>  > >   > > as an abandoned railroad.
>>  > >   >
>>  > >   > Please give a list of tags you'd use to map the tracks in your
>> photos.
>>  > >
>>  > > highway=track
>>  > > railway=abandoned
>>  >
>>  > Which tag takes rendering preference? How is the renderer meant to
>> know?
>>
>> You ask this question as if there is any kind of controversy. On
>> OpenSTREETMap, it gets mapped as a track. On OpenRAILWAYMap, it gets
>> mapped as an abandoned railway.
>>
>> Why do I bother responding to questions like this? FWOMPT!
>
>
> I think that's a question we all want to know, Russ.
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Re: [Talk-us] Fictional / Old locations (was: User HomocideBaltimore)

[Ray Kiddy]

Good to know about the opengeofiction site. I have wondered what to do,
for example, with a school in Sunnyvale CA that closed 20+ years ago. I
think it is still on the OSM map.

It seems there could be a way to mark a location with "x was here" but
that could become a huge mess

Have others had ideas, not on fictional sites, but on actual sites that
existed in the past? I know there are "historically re-created maps". I
seem to recall a map of ancient Rome as it was then. But anything with
OSM data?

cheers - ray


On
Fri, 11 Sep 2015 23:30:48 +0200 Frederik Ramm 
wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> On 09/11/2015 11:14 PM, Luis Villa wrote:
> > Agreed that clearly these edits need to be reverted and the account
> > probably blocked, but just curious: is there no alternate service
> > (akin to the historical maps project) for this person to play in?
> 
> There's opengeofiction.net which uses OSM software to drive it, but
> allows you to create your own fictional (part of) the map. Of course
> basic communication skills are a plus even there. And they don't have
> aerial imagery (unless they've turned their fiction level to eleven
> since I last looked).
> 
> Bye
> Frederik
> 


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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Russ Nelson]

Ian Dees writes:
 > > Why do I bother responding to questions like this? FWOMPT!
 > 
 > I think that's a question we all want to know, Russ.

Oh, well, if you want to assure me that deletionists have no respect
from others in the OSM community, and their edits will be treated as
vandalism and reverted, I will DEFINITELY shut up.

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Re: [Talk-co] OCHA solicita activar HOT por crisis en frontera colombo-venezolana

[hyan...@gmail.com]

Buen día,

Las tareas de mapeo han sido publicadas:

Zona Sur de la frontera
http://

tasks.hotosm.org

/

project

/1190


Zona Norte de la frontera
http://

tasks.hotosm.org

/

project

/1191


Feliz mapeo!

Humberto Yances
El sept. 11, 2015 6:28 PM, "Fredy Rivera"  escribió:

> Buen día.
> OCHA Colombia nos solicita colaboración para el mapeo de la zona de
> crisis en la frontera Colombo-Venezolana, a continuación dejo el texto
> de la solicitud la cual esperamos que muchos maperos Colombianos y
> Venezolanos atiendan con interés.
>
> Por favor Humberto y/O Leonardo tomar en consideración para activar la
> tarea.
>
> Salu2
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Liliana Carvajal 
> Date: 2015-09-11 14:34 GMT-05:00
> Subject: Mapeo Frontera colombo-venezolana
>
> Panorama de la situación
>
> En el marco del Estado de Excepción Constitucional declarado por el
> Gobierno de Venezuela desde el 21 de agosto, en diez municipios del
> estado Táchira, 1.482 ciudadanos colombianos han sido deportados hacia
> Norte de Santander, Arauca, La Guajira y Vichada (ver tabla 1).
> Mientras que hacia Norte de Santander no se han reportado nuevas
> deportaciones desde el 26 de agosto, las cifras siguen aumentando en
> otros departamentos fronterizos, y se reciben reportes de llegadas en
> otros municipios y ciudades capitales.
> El departamento más afectado continúa siendo Norte de Santander, donde
> 15.176 personas ya han sido caracterizadas oficialmente como
> retornadas y se encuentran en vías de ser incluidas en el Registro
> Único de Damnificados (RUD) administrado por la Unidad Nacional para
> la Gestión del Riesgo de Desastres (UNGRD). Solo el 28% de esta
> población se encuentra albergada o ha retornado a su lugar de destino,
> mientras el 72% restante se encuentra alojado con redes de apoyo, lo
> que implica un acceso limitado a la oferta institucional de respuesta,
> así como presión extra en la población receptora con economías
> domésticas ya vulnerables.
>
>
> http://reliefweb.int/report/colombia/colombia-situaci-n-humanitaria-en-frontera-colombo-venezolana-informe-de-situaci-n-1
>
> Envió el AOI en este link con varios poligonos a lo largo de la
> frontera. Estos en su mayoria son pasos informales entre colombia y
> venezuela, ubicados principalmente en La Guajira. Nte de Santander y
> Arauca.
>
> http://umap.openstreetmap.co/es/map/untitled-map_434#8/9.928/-71.658
>
> De estos pasos envió la coordenadas  de los pasos en  Arauca:
>
> -Puerto Contreras,Savavena  7.053754, -71.824480
> -Arauquita-Paso informal la victoria,Arauquita 7.030703, -71.432067 y
> 7.034972, -71.416349
>
> Pasos informales en el Municipio de Saravena:
>
> La Playa:7.060862, -71.792919
> Remolino: 7.062412, -71.774589
> Puerto Lleras:7.033199, -71.695768
>
>
> Lo que necesitariamos de estas zonas son las vias y los principales
> equipamientos que posiblemente se puedan convertir en albergues como
> coliseos, colegios, iglesias. etc.
>
> Tambien te envio la capa que tenemos en Geonode con lo albergues que
> hasta el momento nos han confirmado.
> http://geonode.salahumanitaria.co/layers/geonode%3Aalbergues_ntesantander
>
> Muchas gracias por tu ayuda!
>
> Cualquier cosa adicional que necesites no dudes en avisarme.
>
> Te envio la contextualizacion de la emergencia y el ultimo informe de
> situacion.
>
> Panorama de la situación
>
> En el marco del Estado de Excepción Constitucional declarado por el
> Gobierno de Venezuela desde el 21 de agosto, en diez municipios del
> estado Táchira, 1.482 ciudadanos colombianos han sido deportados hacia
> Norte de Santander, Arauca, La Guajira y Vichada (ver tabla 1).
> Mientras que hacia Norte de Santander no se han reportado nuevas
> deportaciones desde el 26 de agosto, las cifras siguen aumentando en
> otros 

[osm-ve] Activa instancia de mapeo de crisis #HOT #OSM

[Artesano]

http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1190
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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping what is on the ground ...

[Warin]

On 13/09/2015 4:18 AM, Lester Caine wrote:

This is one for the GB list really, but given the debate here and it's
relevance to the discussion I thought it appropriate to widen the exposure.

I'm battling Facebook and it's crap set of official 'cites' which one is
allowed to select as home places. We won't go on about the location of
my own home town 'Broadway' since I simply refuse to use the Facebook
offering, but just up the road we have 'Weston Sub Edge' and
'Aston-sub-Edge' as shown on the OS map
http://data.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/doc/70020328 and reported by
the post office as 'Weston Subedge' and 'Aston Sub Edge'. The road signs
and official material are also incosistent, so while the signs into
Aston show 'ASTON-sub-EDGE', the ones for Weston vary between 'Weston
Sub-Edge and 'Weston-Sub-Edge' but the navigation roadsigns show 'Aston
Subedge' and 'Weston Subedge' mixed with 'Weston-Sub-Edge'.

Old maps consistently use the 'Subedge' second half and that incudes
what started the fun ... the map showing the 'Weston Subedge Halt' on
the old railway ;)

I'm asking both parish clerks just what the current legal position is,
but mapping what you see does not help.


Would alt_name=   OR name_1= name_2= not help?
I suppose the predominate name should be in name= ...

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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Jo]

> (I've been trying not to comment too much, but I'm in the camp that
> deletionism is harmful to the community - it upsets people far more than
> it helps, even when correct, and especially when not correct.)
>
> I also tried not to comment, but I'm in that same camp. There is really no
harm in having abandoned and even raised railways, unless buildings are
constructed over them.

It's unlikely I would draw them myself, but I don't think it's all right to
delete Russ's hard work. It's obvious he and some others have a use for it.
The tags for marking them have been established for a long time now.
Relegating them to OHM sounds like a bad joke. Totally impractical.

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[OSM-talk-be] For Jo

[André Pirard]

For Jo
.

André.


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Re: [Talk-it-trentino] Wikigita Tridentum

[Cristian Consonni]

Il 12 settembre 2015 12:30, Jaqen  ha scritto:
> Form di iscrizione (se venite compilatelo, grazie!):
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1LO1g6zO3ImN8F_LaVfypmcOzhLbrCbUwjXyb2vPhckQ/viewform
>
> Evento Facebook:
> https://www.facebook.com/events/1636784029935309/1637384039875308/

Presente!

C

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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Russ Nelson]

Dave F. writes:
 > On 12/09/2015 03:18, Russ Nelson wrote:
 > > Dave F. writes:
 > >   > >   Because when I see a spike, or a lump of coal, or a "road"
 > >   > > which is level where no road needed to be but a railroad did, I map 
 > > it
 > >   > > as an abandoned railroad.
 > >   >
 > >   > Please give a list of tags you'd use to map the tracks in your photos.
 > >
 > > highway=track
 > > railway=abandoned
 > 
 > Which tag takes rendering preference? How is the renderer meant to know?

You ask this question as if there is any kind of controversy. On
OpenSTREETMap, it gets mapped as a track. On OpenRAILWAYMap, it gets
mapped as an abandoned railway.

Why do I bother responding to questions like this? FWOMPT!

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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Marc Gemis]

On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Colin Smale  wrote:

> Respect to Russ for standing up for his principles in the face of all this
> bullying. Nobody has given a *consistent* answer yet. Why are "former
> railway lines" which are no longer immediately evident on the ground
> forbidden so vehemently in OSM when so many other artefacts from the past
> are not? Old_name, Roman roads, closed pubs, end_date, etc etc. And why are
> some esoteric tags to support a minority interest tolerated and some so
> hotly


perhaps because that are "just" tags and less visible ?

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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Greg Troxel]

Frederik Ramm  writes:

> But that's how far my "convictions" go - as long as I don't survey where
> Russ draws his abandoned railway lines, we're fine.

In terms of reaching a detente, I think that's a very important point.
I would never delete something unless I had walked the ground where it
is.  If deletions are limited to cases where people are really on the
ground making a good faith effort to look for physical features, then
while Russ won't be totally happy, I think things will be 90% ok.

But if people are deleting without having walked the ground (and I do
mean walk, not drive by), based on imagery or something else, that's
another matter.

(I've been trying not to comment too much, but I'm in the camp that
deletionism is harmful to the community - it upsets people far more than
it helps, even when correct, and especially when not correct.)



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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Russ Nelson]

moltonel writes:
 > Still, I'd like to add one reason: none of the other tags you
 > mentioned have such a vehement, uncompromising, relentless champion

There is no "compromise", Moltonel. "Compromise" is where you get your
way, and delete my hard work. Can you see how this is not acceptable?
Whereas, from my point of view, you can compromise by accepting that
abandoned railways have a place in OSM. They don't get rendered
anymore, so they're not a problem there. You can hide them in JOSM. I
don't know if ID lets you hide ways. Compared to all the things that
*should* be mapping but aren't, having a few things that are mapped
that "shouldn't" be, simply isn't a problem.

Please, compromise, rather than demand that I compromise by giving in
completely!

The only problem that anybody has been able to articulate is the fear
that at some day in the future, OSM will be overwhelmed with all the
people who want to map all the things that don't exist anymore. Well,
those people aren't here, I am, fear is not rational in most cases,
and they aren't making more abandoned railroads anymore (Beeching is
dead, and the US has railbanking).

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[OSM-talk-be] For Jo

[André Pirard]

  
  
For
Jo.
  
  

  
André.
  

  
  

  


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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Russ Nelson]

Mateusz Konieczny writes:
 > (2) railway=abandoned includes both cases where railway is still
 > present and cases where railway no longer exists so automation is
 > impossible

Jesus.

Railway=disused is a railway that is no longer used but where the
track remains and infrastructure is in place. Railway=abandoned is a
tag to map former railways, where the rails have been removed but the
route is still visible in some way. Railway=dismantled is used to tag
a former railway, where mostly all evidence of the line has been
removed.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping what is on the ground ...

[lester]

The main problem is there is currently no clear leader for a current name, and 
it would be nice to know when the old name was dropped, but to add to the fun, 
the ONS current name list still uses the old names for both :(

Sent from my android device so quoting is crap ... need to kill these painful 
email clients!

-Original Message-
From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>
To: talk@openstreetmap.org
Sent: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 23:41
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping what is on the ground ...

On 13/09/2015 4:18 AM, Lester Caine wrote:
> This is one for the GB list really, but given the debate here and it's
> relevance to the discussion I thought it appropriate to widen the exposure.
>
> I'm battling Facebook and it's crap set of official 'cites' which one is
> allowed to select as home places. We won't go on about the location of
> my own home town 'Broadway' since I simply refuse to use the Facebook
> offering, but just up the road we have 'Weston Sub Edge' and
> 'Aston-sub-Edge' as shown on the OS map
> http://data.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/doc/70020328 and reported by
> the post office as 'Weston Subedge' and 'Aston Sub Edge'. The road signs
> and official material are also incosistent, so while the signs into
> Aston show 'ASTON-sub-EDGE', the ones for Weston vary between 'Weston
> Sub-Edge and 'Weston-Sub-Edge' but the navigation roadsigns show 'Aston
> Subedge' and 'Weston Subedge' mixed with 'Weston-Sub-Edge'.
>
> Old maps consistently use the 'Subedge' second half and that incudes
> what started the fun ... the map showing the 'Weston Subedge Halt' on
> the old railway ;)
>
> I'm asking both parish clerks just what the current legal position is,
> but mapping what you see does not help.
>
Would alt_name=   OR name_1= name_2= not help?
I suppose the predominate name should be in name= ...

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] BANO VS OSM

[Aurélien . . . .]

Bonjour,

Est-ce qu'il y a un moyen de rapprocher un code insee + code fantoir avec
un code postal ?

Par exemple dans la BANO à Lille, administrativement parlant il y a deux
"place du Maréchal Leclerc" avec les identifiants suivants :

"593505905G" => cp 59000 (Lille)
"593509537E" => cp 59160 (Lomme qui n'existe plus de manière administrative)

Le seul discriminent entre ces deux voies reste donc le code postal.

Y a-t-il une base de données permettant de savoir que "593505905G"
appartient à 59000 et "593509537E" à 59160 ?

A bientôt


2015-08-24 10:17 GMT+02:00 Christian Quest :

> Même au sein d'une commune, il y a rarement un référentiel des noms de
> voie qui tienne la route (!).
> Ce genre de travail est plus l'exception que la règle.
>
> Il n'y a pas actuellement d'outil permettent aux communex d'alimenter
> directement un référentiel national, du coup elles sont sollicitées par
> plein de monde comme La Poste, les éditeurs de cartographie pour GPS
> (Tomtom, Here) et autres.
>
> Les seules obligations de diffusion des noms de voie et adresses
> concernent:
> - la DGFiP pour les communes de plus de 2000 habitants
> - la DGFiP et l'INSEE pour celles de plus de 1 habitants
>
> En dessous de 2000, aucune obligation à part le contrôle de légalité en
> préfecture qui ne porte que sur la forme de toute délibération du conseil
> municipal et n'a aucun lien direct avec notre sujet.
>
> On est très loin d'être organisé !
>
> Je doute de l'efficacité (et de l'accueil) si OSM sollicitait les communes
> directement.
> Je vois la difficulté qu'a par exemple La Poste pour que l'info viennent
> naturellement des communes.
> Il faut organiser une collecte unique, systématique, permanente et c'est
> ce qu'on essaye de faire dans le cadre de la BAN.
>
>
>
> Le 23/08/2015 23:08, Nicolas Pettiaux a écrit :
>
> Bonjour,
>
> Christian indique que la source d'autorité est la commune. Il y a beaucoup
> de communes en France. Ne serait-il pas intéressant de regarder les 3
> communes dans lesquelles il y a le plus de "petites différences" et
> préparer des rencontres personnelles par des membres de OSM qui
> s'intéressent à Bano (ou l'équipe de Bano) avec les représentants de ces 3
> communes pour essayer de mettre en avant des propositions de solutions qui
> puissent convenir à tout le monde pour établir UNE seule source d'autorité
> qui soit respectueuse des communes ? (si c'est possible dans un grand
> nombre de cas)
>
> Bonne soirée,
>
> Nicolas
>
> Le 2015-08-23 12:26, Christian Quest a écrit :
>
> Le 23/08/2015 11:30, Aurélien  a écrit :
>
> J'en ai catalogué différents types :
>
> 1) BANO : "La rue des Mésanges" - OSM : "Rue des mésanges"
> 2) BANO : "L'Arbre de Guise" - OSM : "Rue de l'Arbre de Guise"
> 3) BANO : "Rue de l'Escalier Royal" - OSM : "Escalier Royal"
>
> Ce n'est pas bien méchant mais peut-être que nous pouvons établir un
> ensemble de règles syntaxiques afin de créer un process de correction
> automatique ?
>
>
>
> Et comment déterminer qui est correct ? Les données BANO issues du
> cadastres peuvent comporter des erreurs... le cadastre n'est pas parfait et
> n'est pas une source d'autorité (c'est uniquement la commune qui l'est).
>
>
> Nicolas Pettiaux, phd  - nico...@pettiaux.be
> Open@work - Une Société libre utilise des outils libres
>
>
> --
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] BANO VS OSM

[Frédéric Rodrigo]

Non, c'est le code fantoir qui fait la différence.

À Dunkerque il y deux Rue Victor Hugo dans le même code postal sur deux 
commune associées différentes (même code INSEE).



Le 12/09/2015 20:59, Aurélien  a écrit :

Bonjour,

Est-ce qu'il y a un moyen de rapprocher un code insee + code fantoir
avec un code postal ?

Par exemple dans la BANO à Lille, administrativement parlant il y a deux
"place du Maréchal Leclerc" avec les identifiants suivants :

"593505905G" => cp 59000 (Lille)
"593509537E" => cp 59160 (Lomme qui n'existe plus de manière administrative)

Le seul discriminent entre ces deux voies reste donc le code postal.

Y a-t-il une base de données permettant de savoir que "593505905G"
appartient à 59000 et "593509537E" à 59160 ?

A bientôt


2015-08-24 10:17 GMT+02:00 Christian Quest >:

Même au sein d'une commune, il y a rarement un référentiel des noms
de voie qui tienne la route (!).
Ce genre de travail est plus l'exception que la règle.

Il n'y a pas actuellement d'outil permettent aux communex
d'alimenter directement un référentiel national, du coup elles sont
sollicitées par plein de monde comme La Poste, les éditeurs de
cartographie pour GPS (Tomtom, Here) et autres.

Les seules obligations de diffusion des noms de voie et adresses
concernent:
- la DGFiP pour les communes de plus de 2000 habitants
- la DGFiP et l'INSEE pour celles de plus de 1 habitants

En dessous de 2000, aucune obligation à part le contrôle de légalité
en préfecture qui ne porte que sur la forme de toute délibération du
conseil municipal et n'a aucun lien direct avec notre sujet.

On est très loin d'être organisé !

Je doute de l'efficacité (et de l'accueil) si OSM sollicitait les
communes directement.
Je vois la difficulté qu'a par exemple La Poste pour que l'info
viennent naturellement des communes.
Il faut organiser une collecte unique, systématique, permanente et
c'est ce qu'on essaye de faire dans le cadre de la BAN.



Le 23/08/2015 23:08, Nicolas Pettiaux a écrit :


Bonjour,

Christian indique que la source d'autorité est la commune. Il y a
beaucoup de communes en France. Ne serait-il pas intéressant de
regarder les 3 communes dans lesquelles il y a le plus de "petites
différences" et préparer des rencontres personnelles par des
membres de OSM qui s'intéressent à Bano (ou l'équipe de Bano) avec
les représentants de ces 3 communes pour essayer de mettre en
avant des propositions de solutions qui puissent convenir à tout
le monde pour établir UNE seule source d'autorité qui soit
respectueuse des communes ? (si c'est possible dans un grand
nombre de cas)

Bonne soirée,

Nicolas

Le 2015-08-23 12:26, Christian Quest a écrit :


Le 23/08/2015 11:30, Aurélien  a écrit :


J'en ai catalogué différents types :
1) BANO : "La rue des Mésanges" - OSM : "Rue des mésanges"
2) BANO : "L'Arbre de Guise" - OSM : "Rue de l'Arbre de Guise"
3) BANO : "Rue de l'Escalier Royal" - OSM : "Escalier Royal"
Ce n'est pas bien méchant mais peut-être que nous pouvons
établir un ensemble de règles syntaxiques afin de créer un
process de correction automatique ?


Et comment déterminer qui est correct ? Les données BANO issues
du cadastres peuvent comporter des erreurs... le cadastre n'est
pas parfait et n'est pas une source d'autorité (c'est uniquement
la commune qui l'est).


Nicolas Pettiaux, phd  -
nico...@pettiaux.be

Open@work  - Une Société libre utilise des
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[talk-latam] Semanario 263-264-265-266-267 – Agosto

[Rubén López Mendoza]

Hola a todos,

El semanario 263-264-265-266-267 – Agosto, el resumen de todo lo que
está pasando
en el mundo de OpenStreetMap está en línea en español

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/ ¡Disfrutenlo! :-)

Saludos,
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[OSM-talk] Mapping what is on the ground ...

[Lester Caine]

This is one for the GB list really, but given the debate here and it's
relevance to the discussion I thought it appropriate to widen the exposure.

I'm battling Facebook and it's crap set of official 'cites' which one is
allowed to select as home places. We won't go on about the location of
my own home town 'Broadway' since I simply refuse to use the Facebook
offering, but just up the road we have 'Weston Sub Edge' and
'Aston-sub-Edge' as shown on the OS map
http://data.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/doc/70020328 and reported by
the post office as 'Weston Subedge' and 'Aston Sub Edge'. The road signs
and official material are also incosistent, so while the signs into
Aston show 'ASTON-sub-EDGE', the ones for Weston vary between 'Weston
Sub-Edge and 'Weston-Sub-Edge' but the navigation roadsigns show 'Aston
Subedge' and 'Weston Subedge' mixed with 'Weston-Sub-Edge'.

Old maps consistently use the 'Subedge' second half and that incudes
what started the fun ... the map showing the 'Weston Subedge Halt' on
the old railway ;)

I'm asking both parish clerks just what the current legal position is,
but mapping what you see does not help.

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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Mike N]

On 9/12/2015 3:02 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:

If I were trying to drum up support for OSM in the US,
I'd probably also welcome someone who maps abandoned railways, so that
I'm not alone at the monthly meetup


There's some truth to that in the US - one of the 3 regular mappers here 
in a several hundred mile radius add lots of general OSM input based on 
travels, but also researches old railways and maps them - some disused, 
some dismantled, etc.



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Re: [OSM-talk-be] For Jo

[Jo]

Oh no! Now I feel compelled to follow in his footsteps, but I don't have a
motorcycle. It's going to take me 30 years to visit them all...

I could buy the book, of course, but then it would be impossible to
contribute them to OSM.


спасибо. Андре

2015-09-12 18:39 GMT+02:00 André Pirard :

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> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Ian Dees]

On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Russ Nelson  wrote:

> Dave F. writes:
>  > On 12/09/2015 03:18, Russ Nelson wrote:
>  > > Dave F. writes:
>  > >   > >   Because when I see a spike, or a lump of coal, or a "road"
>  > >   > > which is level where no road needed to be but a railroad did, I
> map it
>  > >   > > as an abandoned railroad.
>  > >   >
>  > >   > Please give a list of tags you'd use to map the tracks in your
> photos.
>  > >
>  > > highway=track
>  > > railway=abandoned
>  >
>  > Which tag takes rendering preference? How is the renderer meant to know?
>
> You ask this question as if there is any kind of controversy. On
> OpenSTREETMap, it gets mapped as a track. On OpenRAILWAYMap, it gets
> mapped as an abandoned railway.
>
> Why do I bother responding to questions like this? FWOMPT!


I think that's a question we all want to know, Russ.
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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Colin Smale]

 

Respect to Russ for standing up for his principles in the face of all
this bullying. Nobody has given a *consistent* answer yet. Why are
"former railway lines" which are no longer immediately evident on the
ground forbidden so vehemently in OSM when so many other artefacts from
the past are not? Old_name, Roman roads, closed pubs, end_date, etc etc.
And why are some esoteric tags to support a minority interest tolerated
and some so hotly disputed? Why are some "mapping patterns" decried so
vociferously here, but apparently they are not actually serious enough
to do anything about? 

What happened to the openness of OSM? This "discussion" doesn't seem to
be about OSM any more, it's about scoring points and winning the
argument. If you have the courage of your convictions, you will be
contacting other mappers right, left and centre informing of them of
their "transgressions of the unwritten rules" and reverting their
changes. It's nobody's private map. Let's live and let live. 

On 2015-09-12 19:38, Ian Dees wrote: 

> On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Russ Nelson  wrote:
> 
>> Dave F. writes:
>>> On 12/09/2015 03:18, Russ Nelson wrote:
 Dave F. writes:
   > >   Because when I see a spike, or a lump of coal, or a "road"
   > > which is level where no road needed to be but a railroad did, I map 
 it
   > > as an abandoned railroad.
   >
   > Please give a list of tags you'd use to map the tracks in your photos.

 highway=track
 railway=abandoned
>>> 
>>> Which tag takes rendering preference? How is the renderer meant to know?
>> 
>> You ask this question as if there is any kind of controversy. On
>> OpenSTREETMap, it gets mapped as a track. On OpenRAILWAYMap, it gets
>> mapped as an abandoned railway.
>> 
>> Why do I bother responding to questions like this? FWOMPT!
> 
> I think that's a question we all want to know, Russ. 
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] osmose : boîtes aux lettres absentes

[Frédéric Rodrigo]

On avait oublié de le réactiver suite aux histoires précédentes, c'est 
fait :

http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/#item=8022=1%2C2%2C3

Le 02/09/2015 13:18, Pierre-Yves Berrard a écrit :

Bonjour Frédéric,

Je me suis certainement mal exprimé .
Je parlais de l'absence même de marqueur (pas seulement le fix) dans ce
secteur.

PY

Le 2 septembre 2015 13:04, Frédéric Rodrigo > a écrit :

Cette possibilité a été supprimé pour les boites aux lettres.

Suite à de nombreuses remontées (remontrances) sur la qualité
discutable du positionnement d'objets non visibles sur de
l'orthophoto et du fait que ce soit "trop" facilement intégrable
dans OSM par un simple clic pour des contributeurs n'ayant pas
compris que si l'on passe par une intégration c'était justement
parce que l'on ne pouvait pas faire de l'import, j'ai cédé et
désactivé la possibilité du fix, bien que cela pénalise les bons
comme les mauvais chasseurs.


Le 02/09/2015 12:57, Pierre-Yves Berrard a écrit :

Bonjour,

J'ai constaté l'absence de proposition d'intégration des boîtes aux
lettres dans le secteur de Verdun (55)

http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/#zoom=15=49.15862=5.38574=Mapnik=FFFT=7051%2C8023=1%2C2%2C3

Pourtant, les boîtes aux lettres sont bien présentes dans le *.csv
provenant de data.gouv.fr 
.

Un bug ou oubli ?

PY




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Re: [Talk-es] Mapping party Septiembre-Octubre en Burlada (Navarra)

[k1wi .]

Hola!

No se lo que habrás pensado Jose Luis, pero me parece que una de las
cosas más importantes que se puede hacer es no dejar una sola calle
sin nombre en Burlada.

Para ver las calles sin nombre se puede usar el estilo Coloured Streets en JOSM.
Tambien podemos usar Overpass Turbo, ya he creado la busqueda:
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/bpc

k1wi

2015-09-10 13:32 GMT+02:00 Moises Arcos :
> Buenas Jose Luis,
>
> para mi no es ninguna molestia, para eso estamos.
>
> Nosotros decidimos repartirnos por distintas temáticas para tener unos datos
> un poco más homogéneos, además a la hora de subir los datos facilitan mucho
> la labor.
> Te recomiendo que no cojas áreas muy extensas que después no podáis abarcar,
> es mejor coger un barrio pequeño como muestra y tomar todos los datos de él,
> para tenerlo completo.
> De esta forma el impacto en el mapa será mayor, lo que yo os recomiendo es
> que os subdividáis de tal forma que uno por ejemplo vaya tomando el nombre
> de las calles, los portales, el tipo de vía y el pavimento que tiene.
> Otro por ejemplo puede ir recogiendo las papeleras, los dispensadores de
> caquitas de perro, los contenedores de basuras y de reciclaje.
>
> De esta forma tendrías dos categorías:
>  - Callejero
>  - Limpieza
>
> A la hora de subir deberéis hacer un trabajo previo de localización de
> etiquetas para los campos que en la ficha tienen que rellenar los
> participantes, de manera que sea mucho más fácil a la hora de subir los
> datos.
>
> Ya verás como todo sale bien.
>
> Un saludo!!!
>
> El 10 de septiembre de 2015, 13:20, Jose Luis  escribió:
>>
>> Hola Moises,
>>
>> Gracias por la información. He echado un vistazo a lo que hicisteis y la
>> verdad es que me desmoraliza un poco porque no sabria ni por donde empezar a
>> organizar algo tan bien organizado.
>> Veo que vosotros ibais a por cosas concretas, y yo habia pensado en
>> picotear un poco de todo (nombres de calles que faltan, negocios locales,
>> direcciones de calles, fuentes etc)
>> Creo que seria mas eficaz centrarse en algo mas concreto, porque el
>> trabajo seria mas mecánico y a la hora de subir los datos mas fácil tambien.
>> He visto que utilizabais unas fichas para recoger datos, voy a ver si me
>> aclaro con los campos mas importantes para confeccionar yo tambien unas
>> fichas.
>> Conforme vaya pensando como hacerlo te pediré consejo, espero que no sea
>> mucha molestia para ti.
>> Saludos
>> Jose Luis
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> AVISO DE CONFIDENCIALIDAD
>> Tanto este mensaje como todos los posibles documentos adjuntos al mismo
>> son
>> confidenciales y están  dirigidos exclusivamente a los
>> destinatarios de los mismos. Por favor, si Ud no es uno de dichos
>> destinatarios, notifíquenos este hecho y elimine el mensaje de su sistema.
>> Queda prohibida la copia, difusión o revelación de su contenido a terceros
>> sin el previo consentimiento por escrito de Crisfer Musical, S.L.
>> En caso contrario, vulnerará la legislación vigente.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Moises Arcos
>> To: Discusión en Español de OpenStreetMap
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 5:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Talk-es] Mapping party Septiembre-Octubre en Burlada
>> (Navarra)
>>
>> Buenas tardes,
>>
>> por si os puede ayudar en algo, yo participé en la organización de la I
>> Mapping Party [1] organizada en Sevilla.
>> En nuestro Github [2] podéis encontrar los datos que empleamos y los
>> resultados que obtuvimos.
>> Por último hicimos un mapa de calor [3] con la repercusión de los datos
>> que subimos a OSM.
>>
>> Cualquier cosa que necesitéis os puedo ayudar.
>>
>> Un saludo!!!
>>
>> [1] https://mappingpartysevilla.wordpress.com/
>> [2]
>> https://github.com/GeoinquietosSevilla/recursos/tree/master/mappingpartysevilla
>> [3] http://cdb.io/1QoazpF
>>
>> El 9 de septiembre de 2015, 17:25, Jose Luis 
>> escribió:
>>>
>>> Hola K1wi,
>>>
>>> Me alegro de contar contigo, porque según he leido por aqui eres un
>>> usuario experimentado y creo que tienes hasta un programa sobre autopistas.
>>> Tanto yo como Basaburu estamos comenzando y nos vendrá muy bien ver como
>>> haces la cosas para aprender.
>>> Te vendria mejor a final de Septiembre o en Octubre?
>>> Gracias.
>>> Saludos
>>> Jose Luis
>>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 09/12/2015 08:16 PM, Colin Smale wrote:
> Respect to Russ for standing up for his principles in the face of all
> this bullying.

Well, to be fair, what you call "bullying" is mostly people standing up
for their principles.

> Why are
> "former railway lines" which are no longer immediately evident on the
> ground forbidden so vehemently in OSM when so many other artefacts from
> the past are not? Old_name, Roman roads, closed pubs, end_date, etc etc.

In my opinion, things that *are* physically there always have a space in
OSM (even though I'd draw a line with regards to volatility - if
something is likely there only for a few weeks or months then perhaps it
shouldn't be mapped, OTOH if the mapper takes it upon him to remove
whatever it is when the time has come, then why not).

Things that are not physically there *may* be ok for OSM but they all
need to be independently justified, and their negative impact compared
against their usefulness. The fact that some things without physical
manifestation and/or of difficult verifiability are tolerated in OSM
must never be a carte blanche for all such things to be included.

For example, post code boundaries and administrative boundaries are, by
general consensus, welcome in OSM even though they may be hard to
verify. But that does not mean that *any* boundary is acceptable.

> And why are some esoteric tags to support a minority interest tolerated
> and some so hotly disputed? Why are some "mapping patterns" decried so
> vociferously here, but apparently they are not actually serious enough
> to do anything about?

I think that adding an esoteric tag to an exiting object has to clear a
lesser hurdle than adding whole esoteric objects, simply because the
negative impact is smaller and hence the usefulness required to offset
the negative impact is smaller.

> What happened to the openness of OSM?

That's more rhetoric than useful question. Do you mean openness on the
input or output side? Certainly you don't want OSM to be "open" for
private doodling. So I guess you will also, in your mind, have some
requirement, some hurdle that content has to clear before it gets in.
This hurdle exists, and has always existed, and doesn't make OSM
un-open; we are just trying to determine where exactly it should be. I
think that's part of growing up. Initially we were happy for everyone
who participated, and now we're a little more demanding.

(It has been hinted in this discussion that there might also be a
regional bias. If I were trying to drum up support for OSM in the US,
I'd probably also welcome someone who maps abandoned railways, so that
I'm not alone at the monthly meetup ;)

> If you have the courage of your convictions, you will be
> contacting other mappers right, left and centre informing of them of
> their "transgressions of the unwritten rules" and reverting their
> changes.

I, for one, where I survey, will certainly delete an abandoned railway
line that is drawn right through a block of flats with no visible trace
(and I wouldn't care one iota whether traces of the railway exist in the
land parcel boundaries which are invisible to me too).

But that's how far my "convictions" go - as long as I don't survey where
Russ draws his abandoned railway lines, we're fine.

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[moltonel]

On 12 September 2015 20:02:31 GMT+01:00, Frederik Ramm  
wrote:
>Hi,
>
>On 09/12/2015 08:16 PM, Colin Smale wrote:
>> Respect to Russ for standing up for his principles in the face of all
>> this bullying.
>
>Well, to be fair, what you call "bullying" is mostly people standing up
>for their principles.
>
>> Why are
>> "former railway lines" which are no longer immediately evident on the
>> ground forbidden so vehemently in OSM when so many other artefacts
>from
>> the past are not? Old_name, Roman roads, closed pubs, end_date, etc
>etc.

I had been drafting a proper answer in my head, but Frederik did a better job 
than me (not just on the part I'm quoting here, on the whole email).

Still, I'd like to add one reason: none of the other tags you mentioned have 
such a vehement, uncompromising, relentless champion defending them, reigniting 
the debate and prompting the same vehement replies each time.

If for example the cherrished practice was end_date=* instead of 
railway=dismantled,  you'd probably get similar flamewars.
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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Mateusz Konieczny]

On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 16:25:18 -0400
Greg Troxel  wrote:

> 
> Frederik Ramm  writes:
> 
> > But that's how far my "convictions" go - as long as I don't survey
> > where Russ draws his abandoned railway lines, we're fine.
> 
> In terms of reaching a detente, I think that's a very important point.
> I would never delete something unless I had walked the ground where it
> is.  If deletions are limited to cases where people are really on the
> ground making a good faith effort to look for physical features, then
> while Russ won't be totally happy, I think things will be 90% ok.
> 
> But if people are deleting without having walked the ground (and I do
> mean walk, not drive by), based on imagery or something else, that's
> another matter.

I fully agree. Making controversial edits (like cases discussed in
this thread - both deleting and adding) without proper local survey is
a really bad idea.

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Re: [Talk-it] Check way - Segrate (MI)

[Max1234Ita]

Quindi building è corretto...
Per quanto riguarda il parco? Avrebbe senso creare una way parallela e
taggarla come leisure=park; layer=1?


Ciao e grazie,
MAx



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Re: [OSM-talk-be] For Jo

[Marc Gemis]

They are certainly more artistic than the one in Belgium

On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 6:39 PM, André Pirard 
wrote:

> For Jo
> 
> .
>
> André.
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Re: [Talk-us] Fictional / Old locations (was: User HomocideBaltimore)

[Brian Egge]

Maybe what you are looking for is http://www.openhistoricalmap.org/ . It is
"an effort to use the OSM infrastructure as a foundation for creating the
world's most universal, detailed, and out-of-date map."

On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 6:05 PM Ray Kiddy  wrote:

>
> Good to know about the opengeofiction site. I have wondered what to do,
> for example, with a school in Sunnyvale CA that closed 20+ years ago. I
> think it is still on the OSM map.
>
> It seems there could be a way to mark a location with "x was here" but
> that could become a huge mess
>
> Have others had ideas, not on fictional sites, but on actual sites that
> existed in the past? I know there are "historically re-created maps". I
> seem to recall a map of ancient Rome as it was then. But anything with
> OSM data?
>
> cheers - ray
>
>
> On
> Fri, 11 Sep 2015 23:30:48 +0200 Frederik Ramm 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 09/11/2015 11:14 PM, Luis Villa wrote:
> > > Agreed that clearly these edits need to be reverted and the account
> > > probably blocked, but just curious: is there no alternate service
> > > (akin to the historical maps project) for this person to play in?
> >
> > There's opengeofiction.net which uses OSM software to drive it, but
> > allows you to create your own fictional (part of) the map. Of course
> > basic communication skills are a plus even there. And they don't have
> > aerial imagery (unless they've turned their fiction level to eleven
> > since I last looked).
> >
> > Bye
> > Frederik
> >
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] For Jo

[nicolas]

Much thanks to Andre. This clearly shows that the creativity comes also from 
the existence of constraints 

Nicolas 

À sam. sept. 12 19:06:52 2015 GMT+0200, Jo a écrit :
> Oh no! Now I feel compelled to follow in his footsteps, but I don't have a
> motorcycle. It's going to take me 30 years to visit them all...
> 
> I could buy the book, of course, but then it would be impossible to
> contribute them to OSM.
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: [Talk-co] OCHA solicita activar HOT por crisis en frontera colombo-venezolana

[carlos felipe castillo]

Buen día.

Estoy viendo muchos embarcaderos, para colocarlos en la tarea como:

man_mada: pier

El 12 de septiembre de 2015, 16:17, hyan...@gmail.com 
escribió:

> Buen día,
>
> Las tareas de mapeo han sido publicadas:
>
> Zona Sur de la frontera
> http://
> 
> tasks.hotosm.org
> 
> /
> 
> project
> 
> /1190
> 
>
> Zona Norte de la frontera
> http://
> 
> tasks.hotosm.org
> 
> /
> 
> project
> 
> /1191
> 
>
> Feliz mapeo!
>
> Humberto Yances
> El sept. 11, 2015 6:28 PM, "Fredy Rivera" 
> escribió:
>
>> Buen día.
>> OCHA Colombia nos solicita colaboración para el mapeo de la zona de
>> crisis en la frontera Colombo-Venezolana, a continuación dejo el texto
>> de la solicitud la cual esperamos que muchos maperos Colombianos y
>> Venezolanos atiendan con interés.
>>
>> Por favor Humberto y/O Leonardo tomar en consideración para activar la
>> tarea.
>>
>> Salu2
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Liliana Carvajal 
>> Date: 2015-09-11 14:34 GMT-05:00
>> Subject: Mapeo Frontera colombo-venezolana
>>
>> Panorama de la situación
>>
>> En el marco del Estado de Excepción Constitucional declarado por el
>> Gobierno de Venezuela desde el 21 de agosto, en diez municipios del
>> estado Táchira, 1.482 ciudadanos colombianos han sido deportados hacia
>> Norte de Santander, Arauca, La Guajira y Vichada (ver tabla 1).
>> Mientras que hacia Norte de Santander no se han reportado nuevas
>> deportaciones desde el 26 de agosto, las cifras siguen aumentando en
>> otros departamentos fronterizos, y se reciben reportes de llegadas en
>> otros municipios y ciudades capitales.
>> El departamento más afectado continúa siendo Norte de Santander, donde
>> 15.176 personas ya han sido caracterizadas oficialmente como
>> retornadas y se encuentran en vías de ser incluidas en el Registro
>> Único de Damnificados (RUD) administrado por la Unidad Nacional para
>> la Gestión del Riesgo de Desastres (UNGRD). Solo el 28% de esta
>> población se encuentra albergada o ha retornado a su lugar de destino,
>> mientras el 72% restante se encuentra alojado con redes de apoyo, lo
>> que implica un acceso limitado a la oferta institucional de respuesta,
>> así como presión extra en la población receptora con economías
>> domésticas ya vulnerables.
>>
>>
>> http://reliefweb.int/report/colombia/colombia-situaci-n-humanitaria-en-frontera-colombo-venezolana-informe-de-situaci-n-1
>>
>> Envió el AOI en este link con varios poligonos a lo largo de la
>> frontera. Estos en su mayoria son pasos informales entre colombia y
>> venezuela, ubicados principalmente en La Guajira. Nte de Santander y
>> Arauca.
>>
>> http://umap.openstreetmap.co/es/map/untitled-map_434#8/9.928/-71.658
>>
>> De estos pasos envió la coordenadas  de los pasos en  Arauca:
>>
>> -Puerto Contreras,Savavena  7.053754, -71.824480
>> -Arauquita-Paso informal la victoria,Arauquita 7.030703, -71.432067 y
>> 7.034972, -71.416349
>>
>> Pasos informales en el Municipio de Saravena:
>>
>> La Playa:7.060862, -71.792919
>> Remolino: 7.062412, -71.774589
>> Puerto Lleras:7.033199, -71.695768
>>
>>
>> Lo que necesitariamos de estas zonas son las vias y los principales
>> equipamientos que posiblemente se puedan convertir en albergues como
>> coliseos, colegios, iglesias. etc.
>>
>> Tambien te envio la capa que tenemos en Geonode con lo albergues que
>> hasta el momento nos han confirmado.
>> http://geonode.salahumanitaria.co/layers/geonode%3Aalbergues_ntesantander
>>
>> Muchas gracias por tu ayuda!
>>
>> Cualquier cosa adicional que necesites no dudes en avisarme.
>>
>> Te envio la contextualizacion de la emergencia y el ultimo informe de
>> situacion.
>>
>> Panorama de la situación
>>
>> En el marco del Estado de Excepción Constitucional declarado por el
>> Gobierno de Venezuela desde el 21 de 

Re: [Talk-br] duvida trilha gpx e inserir imagem Diário OSM

[Wille]

Acho que demora algum tempo para aparecer no iD mesmo.

On 12-09-2015 11:16, Helio Cesar Tomio wrote:

Senhores, gostaria de ajuda em duas dúvidas.

- Porque as trilha que subi no OSM não aparecem no "iD", qdo ativo nas 
imagens de fundo a camada "Openstreetmap GPS traces"?


- Como posso inserir imagens no Diário do OSM? Parece que preciso 
hospedar a imagem em algum servidor e depois colar o link do Diário.

Se for isto, vcs sugerem algum site onde posso "subir" as imagens?


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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Mateusz Konieczny]

On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 22:26:40 -0400
Russ Nelson  wrote:

> Dave F. writes:
>  > > Don't destroy other people's mapping. Why is this not obvious?
>  > 
>  > What's obvious is that it's a track.
> 
> May I make a suggestion that I don't really want you to take? If you
> really agree with Frederik that abandoned railways should not be
> mapped, and you think it's okay to delete things other people added
> just because you think they shouldn't be in OSM, then you should write
> an script which locates railway=abandoned and automatically removes it
> everywhere.

(1) automatic edit has much higher requirements than normal edit - see
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct

(2) railway=abandoned includes both cases where railway is still
present and cases where railway no longer exists so automation is
impossible

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Nouvelles communes à venir en Normandie

[osm . sanspourriel]

+1, c'est d'ailleurs ce qui est fait pour les quartiers de Brest.
admin_level doit être réservé à des niveaux administratifs.
Les quartiers c'est a priori comme des lieux-dits.

Le niveau admin_level pour les cantons qui dans la pratique ont le nom 
de leur chef-lieu pose déjà soucis lors des recherches Nominatim (on 
tombe sur les adresses des villes d'à côté parce que dans le même 
canton), alors ajouter un niveau bidon...



Jean-Yvon

Le 12/09/2015 04:07, Jérôme Amagat - jerome.ama...@gmail.com a écrit :
si c'est juste des quartiers et pas un découpage administratif 
pourquoi garder admin_level et ne pas seulement mettre place=suburb?


Le 11 septembre 2015 21:36, Philippe Verdy > a écrit :


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Re: [Talk-it] Via Garibaldi

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

Am 11.09.2015 um 23:55 schrieb Marco Ciampa :

>> i (non
>> mi chiedere il perchèdi questo cambio a metà)
> 
> Probabilmente perché, anche solo per usura, prima o poi li dovranno
> cambiare e quindi dovranno mettere la denominazione esatta.



penso per i cartelli / le targhe si seguono anche altre regole e 
considerazioni, per esempio estetiche, di design, di spazio limitato, ecc 
(spesso si vede tutto in minuscolo, abbreviato, senza di/da/del, ...), non 
devono per forza corrispondere in ogni dettaglio alle convenzioni ortografiche 
del ISTAT per i db. 

ciao 
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Nouvelles communes à venir en Normandie

[Mathias]

Enfin ce n'est pas tout à fait comme les lieux-dit.
Ce sont des localités, c est le terme je le crois le plus exact.
Il y a le niveau commune, qui avec l'augmentation des communes déléguées va 
devenir de plus en plus un objet géographique "abstrait" en rupture avec le 
vécu géographique personnel des habitants (j'énonce un fait, et non une 
critique).
Le lieu vécu géographique par les personnes restera l'ancienne commune, 
lorsqu'elle correspond à une localité, qui est le bon niveau de repérage pour 
tout à chacun. La localité pouvant être composés de plusieurs lieux dit.
A mon avis on ne peux mettre les deux à même hauteur, sauf si on admet qu'un 
lieux dit peut etre inclus dans une localité (dit autrement qu'un lieu dit 
puisse être inclus en partie ou entièrement dans un autre).


> Le 12 sept. 2015 à 09:32, osm.sanspourr...@spamgourmet.com a écrit :
> 
> +1, c'est d'ailleurs ce qui est fait pour les quartiers de Brest.
> admin_level doit être réservé à des niveaux administratifs.
> Les quartiers c'est a priori comme des lieux-dits.
> 
> Le niveau admin_level pour les cantons qui dans la pratique ont le nom de 
> leur chef-lieu pose déjà soucis lors des recherches Nominatim (on tombe 
> sur les adresses des villes d'à côté parce que dans le même canton), alors 
> ajouter un niveau bidon...
> 
> 
> Jean-Yvon
> 
> Le 12/09/2015 04:07, Jérôme Amagat - jerome.ama...@gmail.com a écrit :
>> si c'est juste des quartiers et pas un découpage administratif pourquoi 
>> garder admin_level et ne pas seulement mettre place=suburb?
>> 
>> Le 11 septembre 2015 21:36, Philippe Verdy  a écrit :
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Re: [Talk-it] localizzare telefono gps sulla mappa osm

[matteo ruffoni]

sto provando con osmand e osmo.mobi, ma non riesco nemmeno a loggarmi sul
sito come dovrebbe funzionare?

sing up su osmo.mobi fatto e mi manda mail di conferma

clikko sul link http://osmo.mobi/ e mi chiede utente e password ma non li
accetta (provato a cambiare password etc etc) credo di dover essere
"loggato" per procedere
ciao matteo

Il giorno 12 settembre 2015 11:22, Francesco Pelullo 
ha scritto:

> Ciao Matteo,
>
> OSMAnd ha una funzione che permette di fare proprio questo, si appoggia al
> servizio osmo.mobi  tramite un plugin.
>
> Non so però quanto sarebbe utile, dato che le batterie di uno smartphone
> normalmente durano poco.
>
> Ciao
> /niubii/
> Il 12/set/2015 11:12 AM, "matteo ruffoni"  ha
> scritto:
>
>> un amico partirà in barca per risalire l'adige
>>
>> http://www.fuorirotta.org/progetti/galeas-per-montes-ri-conducendo/
>>
>> vorrebbe avere per quel periodo la posizione del proprio telefono su un
>> sottofondo osm visibile in rete.
>>
>> Qualcuno può dirmi come si potrebbe fare?
>>
>> ciao matteo
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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Am 12.09.2015 um 00:11 schrieb Dave F. :
> 
> highway=track
> railway=abandoned
> 
> The above doesn't really work, does it?


for me it does work

cheers 
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[Talk-it] localizzare telefono gps sulla mappa osm

[matteo ruffoni]

un amico partirà in barca per risalire l'adige

http://www.fuorirotta.org/progetti/galeas-per-montes-ri-conducendo/

vorrebbe avere per quel periodo la posizione del proprio telefono su un
sottofondo osm visibile in rete.

Qualcuno può dirmi come si potrebbe fare?

ciao matteo
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[OSM-talk] "Enclosing feature" on osm.org broken ?

[Marc Gemis]

I recently saw two independent reports [1][2] from people that complain
that the list of "Enclosing Features" is returning a number of
North-African towns for features in The Netherlands.

An example is when you first go to [3] and then click with the question
mark on the cycle road "Titus Brandsmalaan"

I checked the boundaries of those administrative units in e.g. Algeria and
did not notice anything suspicious. They were unaltered for 9 months or
longer.

Anyone knows what is going on ?

regards

m

[1] http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=40147
[2] http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=41329
[3] http://osm.org/go/0Eu1E8DGV-?layers=N=
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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Dave F.]

On 12/09/2015 03:18, Russ Nelson wrote:

Dave F. writes:
  > >   Because when I see a spike, or a lump of coal, or a "road"
  > > which is level where no road needed to be but a railroad did, I map it
  > > as an abandoned railroad.
  >
  > Please give a list of tags you'd use to map the tracks in your photos.

highway=track
railway=abandoned


Which tag takes rendering preference? How is the renderer meant to know?


  exactly how do you say we should tag a highway that
used to be a railway if NOT the above pair?


Why not  make it clear to the renderer & use a sub tag as an attribute 
of the primary track, which is the entity that actually exists on the 
ground.

Railway & highway are to conflicting primary tags.

If there was no evidence (detritus doesn't count) then I wouldn't map it 
at all.


OSM is a database of existing entities.

Dave F.



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[Talk-de] OSM-Notes: Rückkanal zum Ersteller

[huey212]

Hallo,

ich schaue ganz gern mal die Notes-Fehler bei uns in der Gegend durch.
Mit gefällt sehr gut, dass ich eine Mail bekomme, wenn jemand von mir
erstellte oder kommentierte Bugs bearbeitet.

Ich finde das anonyme Fehlermelden ohne Anmeldung extrem richtig und
wichtig.

Es ist jedoch sehr häufig hilfreich Rückfragen stellen zu können.
Kann man dort ein Feld für die optionale Angabe einer E-Mailadresse
einfügen? Sie sollte vielleicht auch gar nicht öffentlich angezeigt werden.

Ein Teil der anonymen Fehlermelder wird sicher auch zu mehr Mitarbeit
motiviert, wenn er eine Rückinfo bekommt und sieht, dass sein Bug
geschlossen oder zumindest bearbeitet wurde.

Viele Grüße
User:Hadhuey

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Re: [Talk-it] localizzare telefono gps sulla mappa osm

[Dario Zontini]

Se intendi condividere la posizione online  puoi usare le funzionalità di
oruxmap, osmand o gpsies

Dario Zontini
Il 12/set/2015 11:12, "matteo ruffoni"  ha scritto:

> un amico partirà in barca per risalire l'adige
>
> http://www.fuorirotta.org/progetti/galeas-per-montes-ri-conducendo/
>
> vorrebbe avere per quel periodo la posizione del proprio telefono su un
> sottofondo osm visibile in rete.
>
> Qualcuno può dirmi come si potrebbe fare?
>
> ciao matteo
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Re: [Talk-it] localizzare telefono gps sulla mappa osm

[Francesco Pelullo]

Ciao Matteo,

OSMAnd ha una funzione che permette di fare proprio questo, si appoggia al
servizio osmo.mobi  tramite un plugin.

Non so però quanto sarebbe utile, dato che le batterie di uno smartphone
normalmente durano poco.

Ciao
/niubii/
Il 12/set/2015 11:12 AM, "matteo ruffoni"  ha
scritto:

> un amico partirà in barca per risalire l'adige
>
> http://www.fuorirotta.org/progetti/galeas-per-montes-ri-conducendo/
>
> vorrebbe avere per quel periodo la posizione del proprio telefono su un
> sottofondo osm visibile in rete.
>
> Qualcuno può dirmi come si potrebbe fare?
>
> ciao matteo
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Re: [Talk-it] localizzare telefono gps sulla mappa osm

[Stefano]

Il giorno 12 settembre 2015 10:43, matteo ruffoni 
ha scritto:

> un amico partirà in barca per risalire l'adige
>
> http://www.fuorirotta.org/progetti/galeas-per-montes-ri-conducendo/
>
> vorrebbe avere per quel periodo la posizione del proprio telefono su un
> sottofondo osm visibile in rete.
>
> Qualcuno può dirmi come si potrebbe fare?
>

Ciao Matteo,
io e sbiribizio avevamo fatto una cosa simile l'anno scorso e l'avevamo
provata scendendo a Matera
http://sabas.land/old/osmit14/radar.php#5/42.000/10.000

Una versione più complessa é disponibile qua (lo sviluppo si è fermato, ma
la base funzionava, a parte il logger e la chat che avevano qualche
problema)
https://github.com/osmItalia/ninja-mapping

Per il tracking basta avere gps acceso e connessione internet, poi usare
qualsiasi app che fa logging verso un url tipo
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mendhak.gpslogger



> ciao matteo
>

Ciao,
Stefano


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Re: [OSM-talk] "Enclosing feature" on osm.org broken ?

[Sebastiaan Couwenberg]

On 12-09-15 10:39, Marc Gemis wrote:
> I recently saw two independent reports [1][2] from people that complain
> that the list of "Enclosing Features" is returning a number of
> North-African towns for features in The Netherlands.
> 
> An example is when you first go to [3] and then click with the question
> mark on the cycle road "Titus Brandsmalaan"
> 
> I checked the boundaries of those administrative units in e.g. Algeria and
> did not notice anything suspicious. They were unaltered for 9 months or
> longer.
> 
> Anyone knows what is going on ?

I suspect the unclosed boundary rings in the neighborhood Souk El Tenine
are part of the problem.

See OSMI:

http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=multipolygon=5.33976=52.15100=8=invalid_geometry_hull,duplicate_ways,intersections,intersection_lines,ring_not_closed_hull,ring_not_closed,unconnected_end_nodes,ways,role_markers,way_end_nodes,way_nodes


Kind Regards,

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Re: [OSM-talk] "Enclosing feature" on osm.org broken ?

[Marc Gemis]

Thanks for explaining the problem. I'll report it back on the forum threads

regards

m

On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 12:16 PM, mmd  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Am 12.09.2015 um 10:39 schrieb Marc Gemis:
> > I recently saw two independent reports [1][2] from people that complain
> > that the list of "Enclosing Features" is returning a number of
> > North-African towns for features in The Netherlands.
>
> > I checked the boundaries of those administrative units in e.g. Algeria
> > and did not notice anything suspicious. They were unaltered for 9 months
> > or longer.
> >
> > Anyone knows what is going on ?
>
> yes, that's an Overpass API issue, which has also been reported on
> GitHub [1]. Roland is already informed and started to recreate the areas
> from scratch.
>
> Please check the Overpass status wiki page for any updates [2].
>
> If you're impacted by this behavior in Overpass turbo, simply switch to
> another instance, like rambler. For the "enclosing feature" on the main
> page, that's unfortunately not possible, afaik.
>
> Kind regards,
> mmd
>
>
> [1] https://github.com/drolbr/Overpass-API/issues/228
> [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_API/status
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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[moltonel]

On 12 September 2015 03:26:40 GMT+01:00, Russ Nelson  wrote:
>If you *don't* do this, then your true opinion will be revealed that
>you are in fact okay with people adding railway=abandoned to
>highway=track, and you're just wasting everybody's time on the mailing
>list by arguing for actions you are unwilling to take.

Oh please Russ, I'm trying to stop participating in this thread, but the way 
you are debating (regardless of your opinions in the debate) is just 
disrespectful. Your rethorical example ignores the fact that not mass-deleting 
all those objects is (amongst other things) a mark of respect for a debate that 
is not resolved (and by the look of things never will be). It does not in any 
way imply that that person is ok with the objects being in the db. The mirrored 
hypothetical example of somebody doing a mass-undelete would be equaly 
ridiculous.

You are again and again asking contributors to respect your opinions, without 
respecting theirs. You insult people calling them vandals and a caricatural 
view of deletionists. You use all-caps. You threathen of bans. You seem to 
think that debates like this could only be fully won or fully lost, with no 
level in-between, and have accordingly not made any concessions to your views. 
You are not debating. This is not a healthy way to interact with the community.

Bans in osm are issued either for vandalism or for repeated and serious 
community interaction failures. Never simply for making an honest but 
controversial contribution. Feel free to correct me if you are a DWG member. I 
don't think that you shoud get a ban, but sometimes I catch myself wishing that 
you would.

Russ, please follow the advice that has been given to many people in this 
thread already, and give it a rest.
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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Dave F.]

On 12/09/2015 04:09, Warin wrote:

On 12/09/2015 8:36 AM, Colin Smale wrote:


Why shouldn't it work? It is perfectly easy to understand what is 
intended




Which tag takes rendering precedence?


.

Anyway where is the list or definition of what constitutes a 
*primary* tag?




The wiki.


On 2015-09-12 00:11, Dave F. wrote:


On 11/09/2015 03:07, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:



But the primary key is definitely highway=track, perhaps with some 
secondary keys that hit at it's former use.


+1

As I've said elsewhere there should only be one primary tag, any 
historical info should be secondary.


highway=track
railway=abandoned

The above doesn't really work, does it?

-


Makes as much sense as
building=yes
leisure=stadium

And that is correct tagging... as far as I can see.
OSM grows like topsy ... add a bit here, another bit over here ..


According to the wiki, it's not correct. Stadium is the whole area.

Dave F.



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Re: [OSM-talk] "Enclosing feature" on osm.org broken ?

[Mateusz Konieczny]

On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 10:39:54 +0200
Marc Gemis  wrote:

> I recently saw two independent reports [1][2] from people that
> complain that the list of "Enclosing Features" is returning a number
> of North-African towns for features in The Netherlands.
> 
> An example is when you first go to [3] and then click with the
> question mark on the cycle road "Titus Brandsmalaan"
> 
> I checked the boundaries of those administrative units in e.g.
> Algeria and did not notice anything suspicious. They were unaltered
> for 9 months or longer.
> 
> Anyone knows what is going on ?
> 
> regards
> 
> m
> 
> [1] http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=40147
> [2] http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=41329
> [3] http://osm.org/go/0Eu1E8DGV-?layers=N=

In case of valid data and wrong results it should be reported
on https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues (check
whatever such issue is already reported before opening new issue)

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Re: [Talk-it] localizzare telefono gps sulla mappa osm

[Francesco Piero Paolicelli]

Interessantissimo.

Si potrebbe fare :
1) usare il codice di Stefano o farne un'altro che ad intervalli regolari manda 
una GET verso l'url delle api di data.sparkfun.com
2) collegare umap ai dati remoti che automaticamente data.sparkfun.com genera 
(csv o json o atom ect)

Io ho fatto una cosa simile per un tracciamento amatoriale con arduino del PM10 
e la trasmissione avveniva in wifi tramite il mio cellulare (usato quindi come 
hotspot dell'arduino).
Costo 50 euro compreso sensore pm10 quindi 30 euro di gps+arduino+scheda wifi.

Se volete ispirarvi anche per il codice:

http://www.piersoft.it/?p=530


Inviato da iPhone

> Il giorno 12/set/2015, alle ore 11:43, Stefano  ha scritto:
> 
> 
> 
> Il giorno 12 settembre 2015 10:43, matteo ruffoni  ha 
> scritto:
>> un amico partirà in barca per risalire l'adige 
>> 
>> http://www.fuorirotta.org/progetti/galeas-per-montes-ri-conducendo/
>> 
>> vorrebbe avere per quel periodo la posizione del proprio telefono su un 
>> sottofondo osm visibile in rete.
>> 
>> Qualcuno può dirmi come si potrebbe fare?
> 
> Ciao Matteo,
> io e sbiribizio avevamo fatto una cosa simile l'anno scorso e l'avevamo 
> provata scendendo a Matera
> http://sabas.land/old/osmit14/radar.php#5/42.000/10.000
> 
> Una versione più complessa é disponibile qua (lo sviluppo si è fermato, ma la 
> base funzionava, a parte il logger e la chat che avevano qualche problema)
> https://github.com/osmItalia/ninja-mapping
> 
> Per il tracking basta avere gps acceso e connessione internet, poi usare 
> qualsiasi app che fa logging verso un url tipo 
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mendhak.gpslogger
> 
> 
>> 
>> ciao matteo
> 
> Ciao,
> Stefano
>  
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Re: [OSM-talk] "Enclosing feature" on osm.org broken ?

[mmd]

Hi,

Am 12.09.2015 um 10:39 schrieb Marc Gemis:
> I recently saw two independent reports [1][2] from people that complain
> that the list of "Enclosing Features" is returning a number of
> North-African towns for features in The Netherlands.

> I checked the boundaries of those administrative units in e.g. Algeria
> and did not notice anything suspicious. They were unaltered for 9 months
> or longer.
> 
> Anyone knows what is going on ?

yes, that's an Overpass API issue, which has also been reported on
GitHub [1]. Roland is already informed and started to recreate the areas
from scratch.

Please check the Overpass status wiki page for any updates [2].

If you're impacted by this behavior in Overpass turbo, simply switch to
another instance, like rambler. For the "enclosing feature" on the main
page, that's unfortunately not possible, afaik.

Kind regards,
mmd


[1] https://github.com/drolbr/Overpass-API/issues/228
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[Talk-it-trentino] Wikigita Tridentum

[Jaqen]

Ciao a tutti!

Anche se non è un evento direttamente legato a OSM vi segnalo che domani
domenica 12 settembre nell'ambito di Wiki Loves Monuments facciamo una
"wikigita" fotografica a Trento.

Partiamo dallo Spazio Archeologico Sotterraneo del Sas in Piazza Cesare
Battisti (Piazza Italia) alle 16 e vedremo anche Torre Vanga e Palazzo
delle Albere.

Form di iscrizione (se venite compilatelo, grazie!):
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1LO1g6zO3ImN8F_LaVfypmcOzhLbrCbUwjXyb2vPhckQ/viewform

Evento Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/events/1636784029935309/1637384039875308/

A domani!

Niccolò
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Re: [Talk-de] OSM-Notes: Rückkanal zum Ersteller

[tobias]

Hört sich für mich nach ner ganz guten idee an.
Eine eventuelle rueckfrage an den Ersteller könnte auch über das Interface / 
note-fehler laufen ohne dass die Email adresse fuer den "frager" sichtbar 
wird

Gruß
  Originalnachricht  
Von: huey212
Gesendet: Samstag, 12. September 2015 11:29
An: talk-de@openstreetmap.org
Antwort an: Openstreetmap allgemeines in Deutsch
Betreff: [Talk-de] OSM-Notes: Rückkanal zum Ersteller

Hallo,

ich schaue ganz gern mal die Notes-Fehler bei uns in der Gegend durch.
Mit gefällt sehr gut, dass ich eine Mail bekomme, wenn jemand von mir
erstellte oder kommentierte Bugs bearbeitet.

Ich finde das anonyme Fehlermelden ohne Anmeldung extrem richtig und
wichtig.

Es ist jedoch sehr häufig hilfreich Rückfragen stellen zu können.
Kann man dort ein Feld für die optionale Angabe einer E-Mailadresse
einfügen? Sie sollte vielleicht auch gar nicht öffentlich angezeigt werden.

Ein Teil der anonymen Fehlermelder wird sicher auch zu mehr Mitarbeit
motiviert, wenn er eine Rückinfo bekommt und sieht, dass sein Bug
geschlossen oder zumindest bearbeitet wurde.

Viele Grüße
User:Hadhuey

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Re: [talk-latam] IGAC and OSM

[hyan...@gmail.com]

>
> >OSM Colombia community has years dealing with this iniciative about IGAC
> open his data, indeed for humanitarian cases.
>
> Any background information I can find online?
>
> Thanks agian!
>
> Sure! You can found more here:

https://www.google.com.co/search?q=site%3Alists.openstreetmap.org_rd=ssl#q=site:lists.openstreetmap.org+IGAC

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?search=IGAC=Special%3ASearch=Ir
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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Am 12.09.2015 um 16:35 schrieb Dave F. :
> 
> Routes are relations, not ways. They're sympathetic to each other. They don't 
> conflict, & most importantly, both can exist currently.


the routes don't exist physically, from this point of view they can be very 
similar to the dismantled railways: a linear feature that can be observed only 
at some spots (traces vs. trailblazers and signs)


cheers
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Re: [Talk-br] duvida trilha gpx e inserir imagem Diário OSM

[Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros]

Não sei se é isso, não uso o diário. Se for, sugiro o imgur.com.

Em 12 de setembro de 2015 11:16, Helio Cesar Tomio 
escreveu:

>
> - Como posso inserir imagens no Diário do OSM? Parece que preciso hospedar
> a imagem em algum servidor e depois colar o link do Diário.
> Se for isto, vcs sugerem algum site onde posso "subir" as imagens?
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Re: [Talk-it-trentino] [Talk-it-southtyrol] Violazione della Licenza di OpenStreetMap nel flyer di “DonomitiTour” di ADMO

[Patrick Ohnewein]

On 2015-09-10 13:40, Matteo Quatrida wrote:
> Vi inoltro la risposta del socio organizzatore dell'evento:
>
> Ciao Matteo,
> io ho semplicemente utilizzato un sito che di chiama Tourenplaneractiv
> che mi permette di esportare in pdf con le indicazioni dei km
> percorsi, tempo impiegato e dislivello.
> Non credo di dover essere io a modificare tale pdf incollato così come
> esportato sul volantino, o sbaglio?
>
> Cosa dovrei rispondere?

Penso si riferisca al seguente tool:

http://www.outdooractive.com/de/tourenplaner/

Nel PDF esportato sul bordo destro della cartina vengono citate le
fonti. Nel mio tentativo OpenStreetMap non viene citato, forse perchè la
cartina di base alla fine è stata presa dai dati della provincia di Bolzano.

Vedo perciò due cose che vanno chiarite:

1. chi ha prodotto il volantino ha tolto le attributions? E prima
ancora, aveva il diritto di utilizzare l'immagine prodotta dal tool?

2. Alpstein, che ha sviluppato il tool, gestisce bene la problematica?

Io ho un contatto con Alpstein e posso chiedere informazioni sul punto 2.

Per quanto riguarda il punto 1 non so come sia meglio procedere. Il
problema di fondo mi sembra essere una poco conoscenza della
problematica della citazione. Suggerisco di utilizzare un approccio
informativo. Chiederei se in futuro non possono migliorare la citazione
della fonte delle cartine, perchè sarebbe un obbligo. Informerei anche,
che questo non vale solo per OSM, ma anche per tutte le altre cartine.

Ciao
Patrick


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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Dave F.]

On 12/09/2015 13:44, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:

sent from a phone


Am 12.09.2015 um 13:55 schrieb Dave F. :

You're misunderstanding the purpose of tagging which is to allow renderers to 
differentiate entities & display them accurately & differently from each other.

*All* tagging is for the renderer, it's incorrect tagging that's frowned upon 
(natural=sand for golf bunkers is the popular example).

tagging is the description of the geometry, together they form a representation 
of the world. Renderers pick those tags from the model in which they are 
interested in, and display them as they like.
No renderer has to render highway =track or railway=abandoned or anything else.
It is entirely up to the people making the rendering rules to decide which tag 
gets rendered, and how, and when (precedence, stacking order), and whether the 
geometry will be modified prior to rendering or will be taken as it is.


Yes I agree.
None of what you said above is contrary to my points, except the 
stacking order. Mappers should tag with a precedence, It's already 
happening in the vast majority of ways. There's just a few examples, 
such as highway=track, railway=abandoned, that cause problems & is what 
I'm trying to solve.


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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Marc Gemis]

On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 3:56 PM, Dave F.  wrote:

> highway=track, railway=abandoned, that cause problems & is what I'm trying
> to solve


A hiking or cycling map could only show the former, a railway map the
latter.

It is similar to  2 hiking paths following the same road. Which one should
get precedence ? The one I am following :-), but we don't have that kind of
dynamic maps yet.  The best maps draw them with some offset, but they are
rare AFAIK. Most draw them one top of each other.

regards

m.
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[Talk-br] duvida trilha gpx e inserir imagem Diário OSM

[Helio Cesar Tomio]

Senhores, gostaria de ajuda em duas dúvidas.

- Porque as trilha que subi no OSM não aparecem no "iD", qdo ativo nas
imagens de fundo a camada "Openstreetmap GPS traces"?

- Como posso inserir imagens no Diário do OSM? Parece que preciso hospedar
a imagem em algum servidor e depois colar o link do Diário.
Se for isto, vcs sugerem algum site onde posso "subir" as imagens?
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Re: [osm-ve] Fwd: Mapeo Humanitario frontera Colombo-Venezolana

[Artesano]

Gracias Hernan, mas adelante compartiremos los AOI que solicita
OCHA.

El día 11 de septiembre de 2015, 20:13, J. Hernán Ramírez R.
 escribió:
>
> Saludos./
>
> Había visto tu correo pero lo extravié..
>
> Revisando y mapeando la zona cerca de Maicao
>
> --
> Salva un árbol. No imprimas este correo a menos que sea realmente necesario.
>
> -
> J. Hernán Ramírez R
> http://about.me/hernanramirez - Linux User #97.898
> Mapas Libres OpenStreetmap Venezuela
> -
>
> 2015-09-11 20:18 GMT-04:30 Artesano :
>>
>> Compañeros maperos, para todos es conocido que en la frontera entre
>> Colombia y Venezuela se viene desarrollando una crisis humanitaria
>> como efecto de la declaratoria del estado de excepción para los
>> estados y los departamentos fronterizos, en virtud de ésto, la Oficina
>> de coordinación para asuntos humanitarioc de las Naciones Unidas ha
>> solicitado la ayuda del HOT Colombia para implementar una instancia de
>> mapeo de crisis en la frontera con el fin de localizar información que
>> les permita hacer la atención a las personas en situación de Crisis.
>>
>> Hacemos extensivo este llamado a ustedes compañeros Venezolanos a
>> unirsen desde sus habilidades como maperos...
>>
>> Compartimos la carta de solicitud de OCHA-Colombia
>>
>> Estaremos en contacto.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Panorama de la situación
>>
>> En el marco del Estado de Excepción Constitucional declarado por el
>> Gobierno de Venezuela desde el 21 de agosto, en diez municipios del
>> estado Táchira, 1.482 ciudadanos colombianos han sido deportados hacia
>> Norte de Santander, Arauca, La Guajira y Vichada (ver tabla 1).
>> Mientras que hacia Norte de Santander no se han reportado nuevas
>> deportaciones desde el 26 de agosto, las cifras siguen aumentando en
>> otros departamentos fronterizos, y se reciben reportes de llegadas en
>> otros municipios y ciudades capitales.
>> El departamento más afectado continúa siendo Norte de Santander, donde
>> 15.176 personas ya han sido caracterizadas oficialmente como
>> retornadas y se encuentran en vías de ser incluidas en el Registro
>> Único de Damnificados (RUD) administrado por la Unidad Nacional para
>> la Gestión del Riesgo de Desastres (UNGRD). Solo el 28% de esta
>> población se encuentra albergada o ha retornado a su lugar de destino,
>> mientras el 72% restante se encuentra alojado con redes de apoyo, lo
>> que implica un acceso limitado a la oferta institucional de respuesta,
>> así como presión extra en la población receptora con economías
>> domésticas ya vulnerables.
>>
>>
>> http://reliefweb.int/report/colombia/colombia-situaci-n-humanitaria-en-frontera-colombo-venezolana-informe-de-situaci-n-1
>>
>> Envió el AOI en este link con varios poligonos a lo largo de la
>> frontera. Estos en su mayoria son pasos informales entre colombia y
>> venezuela, ubicados principalmente en La Guajira. Nte de Santander y
>> Arauca.
>>
>> http://umap.openstreetmap.co/es/map/untitled-map_434#8/9.928/-71.658
>>
>> De estos pasos envió la coordenadas  de los pasos en  Arauca:
>>
>> -Puerto Contreras,Savavena  7.053754, -71.824480
>> -Arauquita-Paso informal la victoria,Arauquita 7.030703, -71.432067 y
>> 7.034972, -71.416349
>>
>> Pasos informales en el Municipio de Saravena:
>>
>> La Playa:7.060862, -71.792919
>> Remolino: 7.062412, -71.774589
>> Puerto Lleras:7.033199, -71.695768
>>
>>
>> Lo que necesitariamos de estas zonas son las vias y los principales
>> equipamientos que posiblemente se puedan convertir en albergues como
>> coliseos, colegios, iglesias. etc.
>>
>> Tambien te envio la capa que tenemos en Geonode con lo albergues que
>> hasta el momento nos han confirmado.
>> http://geonode.salahumanitaria.co/layers/geonode%3Aalbergues_ntesantander
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Twitter @Arttesano
>> http://arttesano.com
>> 57-1-3102694942
>> Skype : arttesano
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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Dave F.]

On 12/09/2015 15:13, Marc Gemis wrote:


On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 3:56 PM, Dave F. > wrote:


highway=track, railway=abandoned, that cause problems & is what
I'm trying to solve


A hiking or cycling map could only show the former, a railway map the 
latter.


It is similar to  2 hiking paths following the same road. Which one 
should get precedence ? The one I am following :-), but we don't have 
that kind of dynamic maps yet.  The best maps draw them with some 
offset, but they are rare AFAIK. Most draw them one top of each other.





Routes are relations, not ways. They're sympathetic to each other. They 
don't conflict, & most importantly, both can exist currently.


Cheers
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Re: [Talk-it-trentino] [Talk-it] Violazione della Licenza di OpenStreetMap nel flyer di “DonomitiTour” di ADMO

[Cristian Consonni]

Ciao Matteo,

Il 10 settembre 2015 13:40, Matteo Quatrida
 ha scritto:
> Vi inoltro la risposta del socio organizzatore dell'evento:
>
> Ciao Matteo,
> io ho semplicemente utilizzato un sito che di chiama Tourenplaneractiv che
> mi permette di esportare in pdf con le indicazioni dei km percorsi, tempo
> impiegato e dislivello.
> Non credo di dover essere io a modificare tale pdf incollato così come
> esportato sul volantino, o sbaglio?
>
> Cosa dovrei rispondere?

Dovresti fargli notare che il copyright va comunque rispettato.

Quindi, anche se il tool che ha usato dovesse violare la licenza
producendo un PDF che  non cita la fonte, lui è tenuto a rimediare.

Viceversa si potrebbe giustificare lo scaricamento di musica, film,
ecc. dicendo "Io ho solo scaricato un file, è stato un altro tizio che
ha violato il copyright caricando quel materiale su internet".

Fate comunque bene a risalire all'orgine del problema.

C

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Re: [Talk-it] Violazione della Licenza di OpenStreetMap nel flyer di “DonomitiTour” di ADMO

[Cristian Consonni]

Ciao Matteo,

Il 10 settembre 2015 13:40, Matteo Quatrida
 ha scritto:
> Vi inoltro la risposta del socio organizzatore dell'evento:
>
> Ciao Matteo,
> io ho semplicemente utilizzato un sito che di chiama Tourenplaneractiv che
> mi permette di esportare in pdf con le indicazioni dei km percorsi, tempo
> impiegato e dislivello.
> Non credo di dover essere io a modificare tale pdf incollato così come
> esportato sul volantino, o sbaglio?
>
> Cosa dovrei rispondere?

Dovresti fargli notare che il copyright va comunque rispettato.

Quindi, anche se il tool che ha usato dovesse violare la licenza
producendo un PDF che  non cita la fonte, lui è tenuto a rimediare.

Viceversa si potrebbe giustificare lo scaricamento di musica, film,
ecc. dicendo "Io ho solo scaricato un file, è stato un altro tizio che
ha violato il copyright caricando quel materiale su internet".

Fate comunque bene a risalire all'orgine del problema.

C

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Re: [talk-latam] IGAC and OSM

[David Wortman]

Thanks very much for all the replies. 

I drew 2 lines as a try out and reverted them after reading your answers.  

>Not a simple revert, but redacted instead.
>If the data doesn't have a proper license/permission for OSM then it
>needs to be removed from the database (and thus the DWG needs to be
>contacted to redact it). I've emailed the Data Working Group with the details 
>of the change set and background info. 

>OSM Colombia community has years dealing with this iniciative about IGAC
open his data, indeed for humanitarian cases.

Any background information I can find online? 

Thanks agian!
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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Colin Smale]

Rendering precedence is a different subject to tagging. You know what happens 
to suggestions of tagging in a certain way for the purposes of influencing the 
appearance of a map...

A search on the wiki for pages with the word primary only returns hits in 
connection with highway and schools. Can you help me out and give a link to the 
page you are referring to?

On 12 September 2015 10:33:58 CEST, "Dave F."  wrote:
>On 12/09/2015 04:09, Warin wrote:
>> On 12/09/2015 8:36 AM, Colin Smale wrote:
>>>
>>> Why shouldn't it work? It is perfectly easy to understand what is 
>>> intended
>>>
>
>Which tag takes rendering precedence?
>
>>> .
>>>
>>> Anyway where is the list or definition of what constitutes a 
>>> *primary* tag?
>>>
>
>The wiki.
>
>>> On 2015-09-12 00:11, Dave F. wrote:
>>>
 On 11/09/2015 03:07, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
>
>
> But the primary key is definitely highway=track, perhaps with some
>
> secondary keys that hit at it's former use.

 +1

 As I've said elsewhere there should only be one primary tag, any 
 historical info should be secondary.

 highway=track
 railway=abandoned

 The above doesn't really work, does it?

 -
>>
>> Makes as much sense as
>> building=yes
>> leisure=stadium
>>
>> And that is correct tagging... as far as I can see.
>> OSM grows like topsy ... add a bit here, another bit over here ..
>
>According to the wiki, it's not correct. Stadium is the whole area.
>
>Dave F.
>
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Dave F.]

On 12/09/2015 12:37, Colin Smale wrote:
Rendering precedence is a different subject to tagging. You know what 
happens to suggestions of tagging in a certain way for the purposes of 
influencing the appearance of a map...


You're misunderstanding the purpose of tagging which is to allow 
renderers to differentiate entities & display them accurately & 
differently from each other.


*All* tagging is for the renderer, it's incorrect tagging that's frowned 
upon (natural=sand for golf bunkers is the popular example).





A search on the wiki for pages with the word primary only returns hits 
in connection with highway and schools. Can you help me out and give a 
link to the page you are referring to?


Many pages list tags 'to be used in conjunction with...'

A good test is if you remove a tag & it fails to render then it's 
probably a primary tag. Sub tags allow you to add extra adjective 
attributes.


Example (made up one):
barrier=gate (primary)

Sub tags:
access=yes
type=5 bar
material=wood
colour=blue

Delete the sub tags & they'll probably still render. delete the primary 
& it won't.


Cheers
Dave F.


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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Colin Smale]

I don't think I'm misunderstanding anything. Patronising answers don't help 
towards achieving consensus.

I assume you are referring to the specific rendering on osm.org. Which is 
leading here? Does the map style dictate the data, or does the renderer have to 
adapt to the data? The correct answer imho is that the data is leading, as this 
is the product of OSM and not any specific rendering.
There is only one database, but an infinite number of possible renderings or 
uses of that data. So discussions about tagging should take a number of 
representative use cases into account, and respect general principles of data 
modelling.
One of these principles is maintaining some kind of dividing line between how 
data is stored and how it is presented. Tagging is consumed by machines, not 
humans. Machines mostly work with structure and logic and don't have the power 
of a human's cognitive processes at their disposal.
Is amenity a primary tag? It certainly causes something to render. Is building 
a primary tag? Same here. Is it improper to have both on the same object? Of 
course not.

On 12 September 2015 13:55:20 CEST, "Dave F."  wrote:
>On 12/09/2015 12:37, Colin Smale wrote:
>> Rendering precedence is a different subject to tagging. You know what
>
>> happens to suggestions of tagging in a certain way for the purposes
>of 
>> influencing the appearance of a map...
>
>You're misunderstanding the purpose of tagging which is to allow 
>renderers to differentiate entities & display them accurately & 
>differently from each other.
>
>*All* tagging is for the renderer, it's incorrect tagging that's
>frowned 
>upon (natural=sand for golf bunkers is the popular example).
>
>
>>
>> A search on the wiki for pages with the word primary only returns
>hits 
>> in connection with highway and schools. Can you help me out and give
>a 
>> link to the page you are referring to?
>
>Many pages list tags 'to be used in conjunction with...'
>
>A good test is if you remove a tag & it fails to render then it's 
>probably a primary tag. Sub tags allow you to add extra adjective 
>attributes.
>
>Example (made up one):
>barrier=gate (primary)
>
>Sub tags:
>access=yes
>type=5 bar
>material=wood
>colour=blue
>
>Delete the sub tags & they'll probably still render. delete the primary
>
>& it won't.
>
>Cheers
>Dave F.
>
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Re: [Talk-de] OSM-Notes: Rückkanal zum Ersteller

[Holger Jeromin]

huey212  Wrote in message:
> Hallo,
> 
> ich schaue ganz gern mal die Notes-Fehler bei uns in der Gegend durch.
> Mit gefällt sehr gut, dass ich eine Mail bekomme, wenn jemand von mir
> erstellte oder kommentierte Bugs bearbeitet.
> 
> Ich finde das anonyme Fehlermelden ohne Anmeldung extrem richtig und
> wichtig.
> 
> Es ist jedoch sehr häufig hilfreich Rückfragen stellen zu können.
> Kann man dort ein Feld für die optionale Angabe einer E-Mailadresse
> einfügen? Sie sollte vielleicht auch gar nicht öffentlich angezeigt werden.
> 
> Ein Teil der anonymen Fehlermelder wird sicher auch zu mehr Mitarbeit
> motiviert, wenn er eine Rückinfo bekommt und sieht, dass sein Bug
> geschlossen oder zumindest bearbeitet wurde.

Die Idee ist gut. Hatte auch schon jemand anderes, aber leider hat
 die Funktion bisher keiner implementiert. 

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Re: [Talk-de] OSM-Notes: Rückkanal zum Ersteller

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 09/12/2015 01:37 PM, Holger Jeromin wrote:
> Die Idee ist gut. Hatte auch schon jemand anderes

Und zwar hier:

https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/776

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Am 12.09.2015 um 13:55 schrieb Dave F. :
> 
> You're misunderstanding the purpose of tagging which is to allow renderers to 
> differentiate entities & display them accurately & differently from each 
> other. 
> 
> *All* tagging is for the renderer, it's incorrect tagging that's frowned upon 
> (natural=sand for golf bunkers is the popular example).  


tagging is the description of the geometry, together they form a representation 
of the world. Renderers pick those tags from the model in which they are 
interested in, and display them as they like.
No renderer has to render highway =track or railway=abandoned or anything else.
It is entirely up to the people making the rendering rules to decide which tag 
gets rendered, and how, and when (precedence, stacking order), and whether the 
geometry will be modified prior to rendering or will be taken as it is.

cheers 
Martin 
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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Am 12.09.2015 um 14:39 schrieb Colin Smale :
> 
> It certainly causes something to render. Is building a primary tag? Same 
> here. Is it improper to have both on the same object? Of course not.


it's usually lazy and not so good mapping to have buildings and stuff currently 
using these buildings, tagged together on the same osm object. In many cases 
you need a human to interpret which tag belongs to which entity (e.g. building 
or business). E.g. the tag "architect" normally will apply to the building, 
operator will apply in most cases to the business, name will likely apply to 
the business (because buildings often don't have names) but is already a highly 
ambiguous situation because some buildings do have names. address tags will 
apply to both entities (normally), start_date, wikidata, wikipedia and others 
will have to be discerned manually by humans, ...

So yes, mappers use this style a lot, but it is (IMHO) more improper than 
proper.


Another similar problem field are linear and area objects mapped together on 
the same osm entity, e.g. amenity=prison and barrier=fence on the same closed 
way.


cheers 
Martin 
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