Re: [talk-au] AU Data licensing

[Andrew Harvey]

In theory, yes it should be at 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Australia. However it's a bit 
if a minefield in my opinion.
For example there is "Victorian Government data" listed there but no details on 
why OSM is able to use it.
Then you have others like "Australian Capital Territory Government data" where 
it notes explicit permission but upon following up, it turns this permission is 
not enough as it only covers the attribution waiver and not the other bits as 
required at https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/03/17/use-of-cc-by-data/. See 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2017-May/008618.html.
In my opinion we desperately need someone with legal/licensing expertise to 
review CC BY sources and work to either get the OSMF CC BY waiver completed and 
mark them as clear leaving everything else unavailable.
On Wed, 12 Jul 2017, at 07:17 AM, Jubal Harpster wrote:
> Hi List,


>  


> I’ve been lurking on the list for a while trying to get a better 
> understanding of which government datasets have been made available to OSM by 
> explicit permission and which ones have not. Is the contributor page 
> (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Australia) the best place 
> to look for the latest information on this?>  


> Thanks,  -Jubal


> Bing Maps


> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jharpster



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[talk-au] Upcoming RGSG/OpenStreetMap mapping event

[David Dean]

Hi everyone,

(If you don't want me to send these emails to you, please let me know and
I'll stop)

As a follow up to our earlier successful RGSQ Mapping Days event (
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Brisbane/Mapping_Parties/2017-06_RGSQ_Mapping_Days),
we are having a short, casual, one-day follow up event at Nundah in
associate with the RGSQ's Nundah Map Group.

This will be on Friday 4th August from around 10-16:30, and further details
are available on the OSM wiki at https://wiki.openstreetmap.
org/wiki/Brisbane/Events/2017-08-04_Nundah_Mapping_Party.

Please feel free to follow that link for more details, and please let me
know within the next two weeks if you wish to attend. The location is still
TBA, but will be in the Nundah area, probably at the BCC Nundah Library.

I apologise for this event being on a weekday. If you cannot attend, please
wait for the next one, which will hopefully be at a slightly more
work-friendly time!

Thanks, and Happy Mapping!

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Re: [Talk-pt] Monchique - Fóia

[Rui Oliveira]

Pergunta de um noviço, como é que estás a relacionar os dados de GPS com os
dados do bing e da digitalglobe de modo a poderes dizer que estão
alinhadas? Estás a ver se os traces carregados  por cada utilizador
sobrepõe correctamente as imagens satelite dessas fontes?

Se assim for, eu ao contrário do Jorge não me fio muito nos dados de GPS.
Isto porque (e corrijam-me se estiver errado) os traces de GPS dependem
muito do aparelho que estamos a usar. Se por exemplo usarmos um smartphone
de alta gama que possua um GPS de precisão muito elevada ou um aparelho
dedicado GPS como um Garmim, as medições dos traces vão sair com uma boa
precisão. No entanto se utilizarmos um smartphone com uma má precisão de
GPS (com um erro de vários metros), já não se poderá dizer que o trace é
fidedigno. E a questão é... será que todos os traces carregados para a
plataforma do OSM são precisos?

Isto para dizer que na minha opinião, se não soubermos qual o aparelho que
foi usado para recorrer o trace,  é muito dificil ver qual é o mais
correcto se as imagens bing/digitalglobe ou o trace.

Cumprimentos.


2017-07-13 19:35 GMT+01:00 Marcos Oliveira :

> Segundo os dados de GPS parece que a Bing e a Digital globe estão
> corretamente alinhadas, é a MapBox e os dados existentes que estão
> desviados.
>
> Em 13/07/2017 17:58, "Jorge Gustavo Rocha"  escreveu:
>
>> Olá,
>>
>> Às 17:04 de 13-07-2017, Topo Lusitania Lusitania escreveu:
>> > Caros
>> >
>> > Com as novas fotos do Bing, tudo num raio de umas centenas de metros
>> > parece ter sofrido uma translação. Melhores fotos, melhor
>> > georeferenciadas ? Ou outra coisa qualquer ?
>>
>> É por essas e por outras que gosto muito de usar o GPS :-)
>>
>> Onde notas essas diferenças grandes? (Na Madeira chegou a acontecer, mas
>> nunca tinha visto problemas desses no continente).
>>
>> Manda um link para o mapa onde isso está a acontecer, que tenho
>> curiosidade em ver se há diferenças de georreferenciação das imagens do
>> Bing.
>>
>> Abraço,
>>
>> >
>> > Por u´ltimo , do Alentejo profundom uma agradável surpresa:
>> >
>> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/history#map=16/37.9346/-7.7735
>> >
>> > Cumprimentos
>> >
>> > A equipa TopoLusitania
>> >
>> >
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[Talk-it] Parco avventura

[THESTORM375]

Nel mio paese ha da poco aperto un parco avventura ..io l'ho mappato come
parco a tema ( perché non trovavo altri tag adatti ) dire che va bene o
conoscete altri tag migliori? Grazie 

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Re: [Talk-it] superati i 4 milioni di utenti registrati

[Maurizio Napolitano]

2017-07-13 23:31 GMT+02:00 Alessandro Palmas :
> Il 13/07/2017 21:22, Maurizio Napolitano ha scritto:
>>
>> Anche a costo di apparire antipatico dubito che quelle percentuale di
>> utenti attivi arrivi a superare un valore ampiamente sopra il 20%
>
>
> Non ho digitato l'apostrofo ma parlavo dell'otto per cento, uno su dodici.
> Le statistiche lette tempo fa parlavano quindi di percentuali ancora più
> basse di quelle di cui parli.

ti confesso che mi sembrava strano:
ho letto su smartphone ed ho risposto che ero senza connessione
(viaggiavo su una nave)
Pertanto non ho nemmeno verificato i dati.
Ti confesso che mi sembravano pochi visto che, ogni volta che do una
occhiata alle
statistiche fatte da Pascal Neis, vedo che si è sempre intorno al 10%.
Ripeto comunque che la percentuale non mi spaventa.
Ho scritto 20 non solo perchè ho letto male, ma anche perchè ho fatto
riferimento subito
alla distribuzione di pareto basata sul 80-20
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principio_di_Pareto#Il_principio_di_Pareto_o_.22legge_80.2F20.22

Questione che poi negli anni è stata rivista da altri e che va sotto
la categoria di Power Law.
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legge_di_potenza

Quindi io non mi stupisco che i numeri degli attivi siano bassi, credo
però che sia importante
continuare a diffondere per mantenere quel numero o farlo salire.

>> Secondo me invece dovremmo ragionare di più sul tema del "gardening" (=
>> mantenimento delle informazioni più importanti).
>>
>
> Personalmente cerco di mantenere aggiornate le zone che conosco meglio,
> servirebbe forse un editor o una app o un josm per dispositivi mobili:
> qualcosa che faccia vedere tutti i tag degli oggetti.

A me non dispiace il lavoro introdotto da StreetComplete anche se diventa noioso
a forza di chiedere il tipo di pavimentazione e su alcune cose non concordo del
tutto (= gli orari di apertura mi sta bene per le attività pubbliche).
Il mio appello è comunque aperto a tutti, e non sarebbe male se, come comunità
italiana, si cominciasse a ragionare su cosa è importante tenere
aggiornato e che,
ogni import fatto, continuasse a venire curato.
Riporto questo articolo che ho tradotto che spiega bene il concetto
http://de.straba.us/2016/08/15/openstreetmap-passatoi-openstreetmap-futuroi-di-alan-mcconchie/


>> Ultima nota:
>> ho letto un bel articolo dove si è studiato l'effetto dei mappping party.
>> In sintesi si dice che:
>> - migliorano la mappa
>> - uniscono la comunità degli attivisti
>> - creano entusiasmo a proseguire fra gli utenti esperti
>> - allontanano gli utenti che si avvicinano la prima volta
>
>
> Per i mapping party, come mi scriveva anche Andrea Musuruane in una mail di
> pochi giorni fa, occorre contattare i mappatori uno ad uno per sperare in
> una minima partecipazione di utenti "chiocce".

Intanto il link all'articolo di cui parlavo
https://www.aaai.org/ocs/index.php/ICWSM/ICWSM13/paper/view/6098
The Life of the Party: Impact of Social Mapping in OpenStreetMap
Desislava Hristova, Giovanni Quattrone, Afra Mashhadi, Licia Capra

E qui le considerazioni finali
- mapping parties do cause an increased editing activity during the
events themselves;
- they also sustain engagement over time, though mostly for already
active contributors;
- however, they largely fail on their third goal of engaging new- comers.

per me la terza frase è molto importante e concordo sulle tue osservazioni.
Credo che la formula vada rivista.
Ultimamente ho trovato utile far usare i field papers (anche se solo
per annotare e non
per forza per usarli come sfondo) e scattare fotografie organizzando
quindi un gruppo
di persone che raccoglie dati ed un gruppo che si occupa di inserirli in osm.
Idem facendo giocare con korth.ch e con streetcomplete

I miei sono suggerimenti, ma penso che ragionando bene si possono
avere bei risultati.
Può anche essere che si fa il mapping party proprio con il fine di
autocelebrare gli
attivisti e migliorare la mappa. Non è un male.

Infine
visto che ho fatto riferimenti ad articoli di ricerca, consiglio anche
questo appena uscito
http://www.mdpi.com/2220-9964/6/7/195
Using Latent Semantic Analysis to Identify Research Trends in OpenStreetMap

... di fatto mostra dove sta andando la ricerca su OSM nel mondo



PS:
sono reduce da un workshop di una settimana su citizen science
http://www.dagstuhl.de/program/calendar/partlist/?semnr=17272

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Un géant des mers...

[Philippe Verdy]

Le 13 juillet 2017 à 23:39,  a écrit :

> A priori, c'est au nord du 85°11 N car la barrière de Larsen C
> 
> est visible sur osm.org donc en Pseudo-Mercator.
>
> D'ailleurs Imago a déjà enlevé ce bloc de Larsen C.
>
> "Cet iceberg est un des plus grands jamais vus et son évolution est
> difficile à prédire"
>
> Grand, imprévisible, aux mouvement erratiques, en rapport avec le
> réchauffement climatique et juillet 2017 ?
> "Il restera peut-être en un seul morceau mais se morcellera plus
> probablement en plusieurs fragments."
> Donc il risque de partir en vrille ?
>

Je pense que c'est inévitable au vu de sa longueur, et que la partie sud a
commencé à se déplacer depuis 2010 et est celle qui connaissait la plus
grande accélération. Il y a du y avoir des torsions en travers avant le
détachement, ce qui devrait le morceler facilement une fois en haute mer
qui soulèvera le bloc de façon désordonnée et rompra l'édifice sur les
fractures transversales qui sont nécessairement apparues avant le
détachement.

Comme nom on peut aussi le baptiser "Fetnat" (pour l'instant il est détaché
mais encore le long de la faille effondrée, la mer et le vent feront vite
leur travail pour remplir la faille et écarter l'iceberg, ensuite les
courants cotiers autour de l'antarctique le feront dériver vers
l'Antlantique sud, à moins que des morceaux passent le détroit et se
retrouvent dans le Pacifique...

Mais je pense que se sont les Argentins et les îles Malouines/Falkland et
Sandwich du Sud qui verront passer ces vaisseaux de glace près de leurs
côtes.

Pour peu que ça se fragmente assez pour être remorquable, ces icebergs
peuvent aussi devenir tentant pour certains armateurs, vu la quantité d'eau
douce qu'ils représentent et qui pourrait intéresser certains pays qui
n'ont pas les moyens de désaler l'eau de mer, ou alors installer dessus des
usines pour fondre la glace de la partie supérieure et pomper l'eau, avant
d'abandonner le reste en mer: il suffirait de tracter des morceaux dans un
fjord pour pouvoir arrimer sans constituer un gros danger pour la
navigation...

De toute façon je suis presque sûr que les Argentins ou Britanniques
voudront placer dessus des balises radio pour le surveiller et que déjà les
satellites le surveillent, mais ce sera plus facile avec des balises (qui
doivent être en place en fait depuis des années puisque le bloc est mesuré
depuis au moins 2010). Pour l'instant tant qu'il est dans les eaux
antarctiques, il est une propriété internationale soumis au traité de
l'Antarctique. S'il remonte suffisamment au nord ou entre dans des eaux
internationales, là il y a aura convoitise et ce sera la course avant
d'entrer dans des eaux territoriales d'un pays (Argentine ou Royaume-Uni en
premier...)
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Re: [Talk-pt] Monchique - Fóia

[Topo Lusitania Lusitania]

OláComparando as fotos do Bing com o que foi desenhado pelos 
colaboradores.Experimenta ver/editar o radar de Fóia com o Potlach2 e logo 
verás que há uma diferença enorme na localização. 
 Cumprimentos
A equipa TopoLusitania

  From: Jorge Gustavo Rocha 
 To: talk-pt@openstreetmap.org 
 Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 5:58 PM
 Subject: Re: [Talk-pt] Monchique - Fóia
   
Olá,

Às 17:04 de 13-07-2017, Topo Lusitania Lusitania escreveu:
> Caros
> 
> Com as novas fotos do Bing, tudo num raio de umas centenas de metros
> parece ter sofrido uma translação. Melhores fotos, melhor
> georeferenciadas ? Ou outra coisa qualquer ?

É por essas e por outras que gosto muito de usar o GPS :-)

Onde notas essas diferenças grandes? (Na Madeira chegou a acontecer, mas
nunca tinha visto problemas desses no continente).

Manda um link para o mapa onde isso está a acontecer, que tenho
curiosidade em ver se há diferenças de georreferenciação das imagens do
Bing.

Abraço,

> 
> Por u´ltimo , do Alentejo profundom uma agradável surpresa:
> 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/history#map=16/37.9346/-7.7735
> 
> Cumprimentos
>  
> A equipa TopoLusitania
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Impossible de charger le cadastre dans JOSM

[osm . sanspourriel]

Francescu , tu passes par l'onglet imagerie ou par l'onglet cadastre ?

Je suppose que les autres passent par l'imagerie en prenant le TMS qui 
va bien.


Jean-Yvon

Le 13/07/2017 à 23:13, pepilepi...@ovh.fr - pepilepi...@ovh.fr a écrit :

Le 13/07/2017 à 19:00, Francescu GAROBY a écrit :

Bonjour,
Comme mon titre de mail l'indique, depuis quelques temps, je n'arrive 
plus à charger le cadastre comme fond de carte de JOSM.

Vous rencontrez le même problème ?

Pas de problème chez moi (JOSM 12450 / Win 7)

JP.org/listinfo/talk-fr 


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Un géant des mers...

[osm . sanspourriel]

A priori, c'est au nord du 85°11 N car la barrière de Larsen C 
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2823692#map=5/-69.832/-62.732> 
est visible sur osm.org donc en Pseudo-Mercator.


D'ailleurs Imago a déjà enlevé ce bloc de Larsen C.

"Cet iceberg est un des plus grands jamais vus et son évolution est 
difficile à prédire"


Grand, imprévisible, aux mouvement erratiques, en rapport avec le 
réchauffement climatique et juillet 2017 ?


"Il restera peut-être en un seul morceau mais se morcellera plus 
probablement en plusieurs fragments."

Donc il risque de partir en vrille ?

Et si on l'appelait Donald Trump ?

Je sais comment nommer un objet sur OSM mais ce serait du vandalisme.

Mais si on le suggérait à ceux qui pourraient nommer le glacier ?

A minima alt_name=Donald Trump permettrait de le retrouver facilement !

www.osm.org/search?query=Donald Trump 
<http://www.osm.org/search?query=Donald%20Trump>


(donne réellement des résultats actuellement).

Jean-Yvon

Le 13/07/2017 à 16:00, Philippe Verdy - verd...@wanadoo.fr a écrit :
Le plus grand iceberg jamais vu de mémoire d'homme s'est finalement 
détaché de l'Antarctique.
5800 km², 10% de la surface totale de la barrière de glace 
Antractique, plus de 300 mètres de haut, plus de 200 km de long, 
plusieurs milliards de mètres cube.


L'Antarctique célèbre à sa façon le déni de Trump pour son voyage 
officiel à Paris...


http://actualites.nouvelobs.com/planete/20170712.OBS2028/5-questions-sur-l-immense-iceberg-qui-vient-de-se-detacher-de-l-antarctique.html?cm_mmc=Acqui_MNR-_-NO-_-WelcomeMedia-_-edito=wm#xtor=EREC-10-[WM]-20170713


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Re: [Talk-it] superati i 4 milioni di utenti registrati

[Alessandro Palmas]

Il 13/07/2017 21:22, Maurizio Napolitano ha scritto:
Anche a costo di apparire antipatico dubito che quelle percentuale di 
utenti attivi arrivi a superare un valore ampiamente sopra il 20%


Non ho digitato l'apostrofo ma parlavo dell'otto per cento, uno su 
dodici. Le statistiche lette tempo fa parlavano quindi di percentuali 
ancora più basse di quelle di cui parli.


> Il 13 Lug 2017 10:55, "Alessandro Palmas"
> >
> ha scritto:
>
> ... Sappiamo che però i contributori attivi sono circa l8% di
> quelli registrati, solamente 1 su 12, che è una dato sul quale 
dovremmo

> riflettere.




Secondo me invece dovremmo ragionare di più sul tema del "gardening" (= 
mantenimento delle informazioni più importanti).




Personalmente cerco di mantenere aggiornate le zone che conosco meglio, 
servirebbe forse un editor o una app o un josm per dispositivi mobili: 
qualcosa che faccia vedere tutti i tag degli oggetti.






Ultima nota:
ho letto un bel articolo dove si è studiato l'effetto dei mappping party.
In sintesi si dice che:
- migliorano la mappa
- uniscono la comunità degli attivisti
- creano entusiasmo a proseguire fra gli utenti esperti
- allontanano gli utenti che si avvicinano la prima volta


Per i mapping party, come mi scriveva anche Andrea Musuruane in una mail 
di pochi giorni fa, occorre contattare i mappatori uno ad uno per 
sperare in una minima partecipazione di utenti "chiocce".


Ho preparato un documento pre-mapping party in cui ci sono i consigli su 
cosa installare, cosa portarsi dietro e come prepararsi, che invio 
quando sò chi parteciperà.
Il problema è che in poco più di mezza giornata difficilmente si 
riescono a trasferire tutte le informazioni necessarie e anche tra chi 
partecipa ai mapping party penso ci sia una percentuale analoga 
all'otto% o quella che è.
In questo periodo ho lavorato un pò sulle traduzioni di LearnOSM perchè 
mi pare la guida più semplice da seguire e che sto consigliando a tutti 
(l'ho inserita anche nel messaggio di benvenuto ai nuovi utenti).


In questo periodo per merito (o colpa) di alcune attività stiamo 
cercando di avvicinare CAIani e Protezione Civile; quelli sono bacini da 
centinaia di migliaia di persone, riuscissimo a far partecipare anche lo 
0,1% di questi sarebbe un grosso successo.



Alessandro


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Re: [Talk-it] [JOSM] recuperare plugin obsoleti

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 13. Jul 2017, at 18:53, Marco (MarcoR)  wrote:
> 
> L'internet archive ha salvato qualche vecchia versione: 
> http://web.archive.org/web/*/https://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/editors/josm/dist/


se il plugin sta nel repository di josm lo puoi anche prendere da lì (ci sono 
tutte le versioni):
https://trac.openstreetmap.org/browser/applications/editors/josm/plugins


ciao,
Martin 

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Impossible de charger le cadastre dans JOSM

[pepilepi...@ovh.fr]

  
  
Le 13/07/2017 à 19:00, Francescu GAROBY
  a écrit :


  

  
Bonjour,

Comme mon titre de mail l'indique, depuis quelques temps, je
n'arrive plus à charger le cadastre comme fond de carte de
JOSM.
  

Vous rencontrez le même problème ?
  

Pas de problème chez moi (JOSM 12450 / Win 7)

JP

  

  

  
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Francescu GAROBY
  

  

  

  
  
  
  
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Re: [Talk-it] superati i 4 milioni di utenti registrati

[Luca Delucchi]

2017-07-13 21:22 GMT+02:00 Maurizio Napolitano :

>
> Ultima nota:
> ho letto un bel articolo dove si è studiato l'effetto dei mappping party.
> In sintesi si dice che:
> - migliorano la mappa
> - uniscono la comunità degli attivisti
> - creano entusiasmo a proseguire fra gli utenti esperti
> - allontanano gli utenti che si avvicinano la prima volta
>

Io è da anni che lo dico, ma quando si organizza non partecipa nessuno
ed è un peccato

Io per un po' di tempo non avrò tempo di organizzarne ma participerei
molto volentieri, ale ci sta provando con molti eventi.

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Re: [OSRM-talk] OSRM-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 7

[Peter Townsed]

Hi Johan,Thanks for your quick reply.  I'm copying Steven here as I noticed he 
is currently running OSRM with separate files on a 32GB machine.I cannot run 
the same momentarily as the north-america extract maxes out my 16gb RAM.

Steve could you explain quickly how you managed to run the continent files 
separately?Are you running separate instances of osrm-routed?
Thanks,Peter
  
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  1. Re: Best practices for multiple osrm files (Johan Uhle)


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Hi Peter,

likely the better alternative is to create one OSM file that includes North
America and Europe (osmosis can do that via --merge), then you only have to
run one OSRM process instead of several. Otherwise you can run osrm-routed
with loading the files directly, but you'd need to expose osrm-routed on
different ports.

Best,
Johan

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 9:16 PM, Peter Townsed  wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I’m setting up an OSRM server and would like to serve car routing for only
> North America and Europe.
> I’m wondering what is the best approach for running the server with 2 osrm
> files. Should I run 2 separate osrm-routed in different ports? Is there a
> better way to run 2 files simultaneously on the same process?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Peter
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Re: [Talk-us] Best practice in Lane Editing 3

[Eric Ladner]

yeah, I agree..  just prodding thought.

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 3:21 PM Tod Fitch  wrote:

> At least one routing app I have been using seems to use the turn:lane
> tagging [1] convention shown on the wiki. That allows the route guidance to
> let you know you should be getting into the turn lane at an appropriate
> time. Not sure if the change:lanes [2] tagging is being followed but it
> does allow for showing that crossing the solid line is not legal. Between
> turn:lanes and change:lanes, I don’t see the need to have a separate way
> that doesn’t really exist.
>
> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:turn
> [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/change
>
>
> On Jul 13, 2017, at 1:14 PM, Eric Ladner  wrote:
>
> Just to play Devil's advocate:  B is probably more TECHNICALLY correct
> since a solid white line indicates "lane change discouraged, but not
> illegal" and you'd probably want the routing software to indicate where the
> turn lane starts, not 200 feet later (esp. in heavy traffic and the lane's
> already full of cars).
>
> Whether it's practical to map it like that or not is another matter.
>
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 9:40 AM Tod Fitch  wrote:
>
>> Case 1: First example is much closer to how I would tag it based on the
>> the rule that it should not be a separate way if it is only separated by
>> paint.
>>
>> Case 2: I would not expect the two paths to be considered safe or legal
>> where I live in the US (not in Michigan). While there is some effort at
>> coordinating traffic laws between states, ultimately it is up to the state
>> to define their own rules so it might vary from state to state.
>>
>> On Jul 13, 2017, at 12:15 AM, Horea Meleg 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Me and my Telenav colleagues are editing lane numbers in Detroit area. We
>> have two cases, where any opinion would be appreciated.
>>
>> *Case 1 *
>>
>> We are editing lanes and turn lanes and we came across with those 2
>> situations:
>>
>>1. 42.4479327, -83.0484338
>>
>> 
>>
>>1. 42.2826283, -83.3683861
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Which road geometry do you think is correct edited? The links are edited
>> different even that, according to Bing aerial imagery they should be edited
>> in the same way. Also, in these situations, each road geometry causes a
>> different lane and turn lane tagging. *
>>
>> *Case 2*
>>
>> We have this situation:
>>
>> 42.6515832, -83.1619915
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> *According to US driving rules, are those turns allowed? Are you allowed
>> to go on the link if you are coming from South?*
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Horea
>>
>>
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Re: [Talk-us] Best practice in Lane Editing 3

[Tod Fitch]

At least one routing app I have been using seems to use the turn:lane tagging 
[1] convention shown on the wiki. That allows the route guidance to let you 
know you should be getting into the turn lane at an appropriate time. Not sure 
if the change:lanes [2] tagging is being followed but it does allow for showing 
that crossing the solid line is not legal. Between turn:lanes and change:lanes, 
I don’t see the need to have a separate way that doesn’t really exist.

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:turn
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/change

> On Jul 13, 2017, at 1:14 PM, Eric Ladner  wrote:
> 
> Just to play Devil's advocate:  B is probably more TECHNICALLY correct since 
> a solid white line indicates "lane change discouraged, but not illegal" and 
> you'd probably want the routing software to indicate where the turn lane 
> starts, not 200 feet later (esp. in heavy traffic and the lane's already full 
> of cars).  
> 
> Whether it's practical to map it like that or not is another matter.
> 
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 9:40 AM Tod Fitch  > wrote:
> Case 1: First example is much closer to how I would tag it based on the the 
> rule that it should not be a separate way if it is only separated by paint.
> 
> Case 2: I would not expect the two paths to be considered safe or legal where 
> I live in the US (not in Michigan). While there is some effort at 
> coordinating traffic laws between states, ultimately it is up to the state to 
> define their own rules so it might vary from state to state.
> 
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2017, at 12:15 AM, Horea Meleg > > wrote:
>> 
> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> Me and my Telenav colleagues are editing lane numbers in Detroit area. We 
>> have two cases, where any opinion would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Case 1 
>> 
>> We are editing lanes and turn lanes and we came across with those 2 
>> situations:
>> 
>> 42.4479327, -83.0484338
> 
>> 
>> 42.2826283, -83.3683861
>>
> 
>>  
>> 
>> Which road geometry do you think is correct edited? The links are edited 
>> different even that, according to Bing aerial imagery they should be edited 
>> in the same way. Also, in these situations, each road geometry causes a 
>> different lane and turn lane tagging. 
>> 
>> Case 2
>> 
>> We have this situation:
>> 
>> 42.6515832, -83.1619915
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>>  
>> 
>> According to US driving rules, are those turns allowed? Are you allowed to 
>> go on the link if you are coming from South?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Horea 
>> 

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Tagger un bazar d'été, qui vend des articles de plage, des jouets...

[osm . sanspourriel]

Les plages ne sont pas à vendre ! ;-)

Il y a plus de 1 valeurs différentes : certains doivent se faire 
plaisir.


Dont 2 696 shop=no. Avaient-ils confondu avec vacant ? Et 69 shop=shop

shop=toys;gift;cards;sunglasses

shop=souvenirs

shop=accessories

shop=others

Et 8 beach, 2 beach_goods (le nom me plait plus), sans oublier des 
beach_items (mieux ?), Beach_stuff et beachsupplies.



Pourquoi pas un beach_goods ou beach_items, mais à regarder avec les 
autres utilisateurs pour se mettre d'accord.


Jean-Yvon

Le 13/07/2017 à 17:42, althio - althio.fo...@gmail.com a écrit :

Si j'osais, je te dirais d'utiliser
shop = beach

Tu ne serais pas le premier, même si c'est rare.
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=shop%3Dbeach

Si j'osais encore plus, je te dirais de documenter ça dans le wiki :)
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Shops
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dbeach



2017-07-12 9:17 GMT+02:00 Nicolas Toublanc :

Bonjour,

Je ne sais pas trop comment tagger un bazar de bord de mer, qui vend surtout
des jouets et articles de plages.

Des jouets, ça fait penser à autre chose (spécialité jouets, alors qu'ici on
a juste quelques ballons et jouets de plage):
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dtoys

Souvent on y trouve aussi des souvenirs, mais pas toujours, et parfois c'est
très secondaire: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dgift

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Re: [Talk-it] Associazione civici a negozi dentro centro commerciale

[Maurizio Napolitano]

Il 12 Lug 2017 16:31, "Cascafico Giovanni"  ha scritto:

Mah, anch'io sono capitato in questi casi in cui la licenza non é definita.

Spiega meglio perché secondo me la richiesta è un altra
In ogn caso il tuo punto è interessante

 che nessuno del consorzio del centro commerciale farà problemi: in fondo é
pubblicità a costo zero

penso anche che valga sempre la regola del buon senso ma, legamente, se non
c'è scritto nulla - tranne il caso di dati e contenuti della PA - non
potresti assumere che puoi riusare i dati

Certo, se poi in realtà hai recuperato da un volantino, la vedo dura sia
una posizione per cui qualcuno porta una denuncia.

A me piacerebbe però che la regola del buon senso fosse la scelta
predefinita su ogni azione
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Re: [Talk-it] superati i 4 milioni di utenti registrati

[Maurizio Napolitano]

Anche a costo di apparire antipatico dubito che quelle percentuale di
utenti attivi arrivi a superare un valore ampiamente sopra il 20%
Si tratta di fenomeni ampiamente studiati (vedi concetti di 80/20 di Pareto
o Power Law)
Al di là di questo credo che comunque curare di più la documentazione
(lavoro che comunque ricade nel fenomeno Power Law) sia importante.

Mantenere quel 20% attivo (e farlo salire) è cruciale per il progetto ma
non deve essere visto come negativo.

Secondo me invece dovremmo ragionare di più sul tema del "gardening" (=
mantenimento delle informazioni più importanti).

Ultima nota:
ho letto un bel articolo dove si è studiato l'effetto dei mappping party.
In sintesi si dice che:
- migliorano la mappa
- uniscono la comunità degli attivisti
- creano entusiasmo a proseguire fra gli utenti esperti
- allontanano gli utenti che si avvicinano la prima volta

Il 13 Lug 2017 10:55, "Alessandro Palmas" 
ha scritto:

> La sera del 29 giugno è stata superata la soglia dei 4.000.000 di utenti
> registrati. Sappiamo che però i contributori attivi sono circa l8% di
> quelli registrati, solamente 1 su 12, che è una dato sul quale dovremmo
> riflettere. Pensiamo ad esempio a com'è organizzata la documentazione (che
> spesso duplica o triplica le informazioni) e a come dare il benvenuto ai
> nuovi utenti (a proposito ... http://welcome.openstreetmap.it/ ).
>
> Visto che ho aggiornato la pagina wikipedia con i link a OSMit2016 e a
> FOSS4G-IT 2017 ho aggiunto anche quella notizia.
>
> https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap
>
> Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT
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Re: [Talk-it] Info per migliorare la modifica e l'inserimento di nuove vie

[Maurizio Napolitano]

Ciao Alessandro e benvenuto
Visito che sei trentino ti consiglio di iscriverti anche alla ML degli
utenti del Trentino ;)

La tua storia tra l'altro mi interessa molto
Venendo al tuo problema: parli di toponomastica ma poi dichiari di
ricalcare da foto aerea.
Quindi mi viene da supporre che stai anche completando il grafo stradale a
cui poi aggiungi i nomi delle strade.
Sbaglio?

Scrivi PCM ma forse intendi PCN - Portale Cartografico Nazionale
Sul Wiki di Openstreemap trovi moltissime informazioni a riguardo.

Meglio usarlo con JOSM invece che con l'editor online.
Attenzione però che il pcn comincia ad essere vecchio e viste le nuove
strade e o tunnel fatti in Trentino potrebbe essere che non ti aiuti.
Il PCN ha il vantaggio di essere proiettato bene rispetto a Bing.
In alternativa potresti usare il WMS con le foto aeree della Provincia o la
carta tecnica.
Se servono maggiori informazioni fa pure un fischio

Il 12 Lug 2017 11:10, "Alessandro Vitali"  ha scritto:

> Ciao a tutti. Mi chiamo Alessandro e sono nuovo di questo gruppo.
> Sto usando OSM per aggiornare la toponomastica della Valsugana (Trentino)
> per poter usare l'app per il mio lavoro (guido ambulanza).
> Alcuni di voi mi hanno detto di usare la PCM ma a questo punto mi sorgono
> dubbi...
>
> Io per modificare la carta uso il tasto "modifica" posto sul sito web.
> In questo modo potrei usare la carta pcm? Se si per usarla devo
> selezionare "personalizzato" sulla scelta dello sfondo?
> Se si che link devo mettere per poter caricare la pcm?
>
>
> Grazie!
> Alessandro
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Using greater than & less than values in Overpass-euro

[Donal Diamond]

Runs much faster on the .ie overpass!

http://url.ie/11uzc

On 13 July 2017 at 19:35, Brian Hollinshead  wrote:

> Thanks to all who replied and especially for Donal Diamond's working link
>
> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/qnj.
>
> Tried it on several ranges, A1 each time.
>
> On 13 July 2017 at 19:18, Donal Diamond  wrote:
>
> > This work for you?
> >
> > http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/qnj
> >
> > On 13 July 2017 at 19:00, Donal Diamond  wrote:
> >
> > > This numeric comparison features was only added in Version 0.7.54
> > >
> > > There's some blog posts on how to use these new features:
> > >
> > > See  https://dev.overpass-api.de/blog/numbers.html
> > >
> > > and the rest of the posts at https://dev.overpass-api.de/
> blog/index.html
> > >
> > > D
> > >
> > > On 13 July 2017 at 08:51, Donal Hunt  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Does this answer your query?
> > >>
> > >> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/41854953/overpass-api-
> > >> comparison-operators
> > >>
> > >> I also read something about using min and max queries which might be
> > >> relevant.
> > >>
> > >> D. (Mostly a newbie)
> > >>
> > >> On 13 Jul 2017 08:39, "Brian Hollinshead" 
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I have a query
> > >> >
> > >> > http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/qm4
> > >> >
> > >> > which searches where population equals an exact figure which works
> > fine.
> > >> >
> > >> > I would like to be able to select a range. [population >3999 and
> > <5000]
> > >> >
> > >> > I have tried [population<5000] and [population<=5000] to no avail.
> > >> >
> > >> > Your help would be much appreciated
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Using greater than & less than values in Overpass-euro

[Brian Hollinshead]

Thanks for list Colm, fascinated to see it incudes a tag
proprietor:misogynist = yes !

On 13 July 2017 at 14:21, Colm Moore  wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> Note that there is a list of populations (and almost every other tag,
> except for a few like name=*) here: http://stat.latlon.org/ie/
> latest/tags-p.html
>
> It is sorted 'alphabetically', not numerically, i.e. it is sorted 10, 20,
> 30, 50, 500, 60, 90.
>
>
> Colm
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Re: [Talk-pt] Monchique - Fóia

[Marcos Oliveira]

Segundo os dados de GPS parece que a Bing e a Digital globe estão
corretamente alinhadas, é a MapBox e os dados existentes que estão
desviados.

Em 13/07/2017 17:58, "Jorge Gustavo Rocha"  escreveu:

> Olá,
>
> Às 17:04 de 13-07-2017, Topo Lusitania Lusitania escreveu:
> > Caros
> >
> > Com as novas fotos do Bing, tudo num raio de umas centenas de metros
> > parece ter sofrido uma translação. Melhores fotos, melhor
> > georeferenciadas ? Ou outra coisa qualquer ?
>
> É por essas e por outras que gosto muito de usar o GPS :-)
>
> Onde notas essas diferenças grandes? (Na Madeira chegou a acontecer, mas
> nunca tinha visto problemas desses no continente).
>
> Manda um link para o mapa onde isso está a acontecer, que tenho
> curiosidade em ver se há diferenças de georreferenciação das imagens do
> Bing.
>
> Abraço,
>
> >
> > Por u´ltimo , do Alentejo profundom uma agradável surpresa:
> >
> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/history#map=16/37.9346/-7.7735
> >
> > Cumprimentos
> >
> > A equipa TopoLusitania
> >
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[Talk-cz] Aktualizace adres v Praze

[Petr Vejsada]

Ahoj,

někde na úřadech začali provádět podivné věci. V průběhu července 
zaktualizovali cca 95 tisíc adres v Praze. V červenci (do teď) 
zaktualizovali další tisíce. Počet zaktualizovaných už se blíží celkovému 
počtu adres v Praze. Asi ještě nějaké aktualizace přijdou, ale už by to 
nemělo být masivní, i když nechápu ani současné důvody. U naprosté většiny 
nejspíš o žádnou aktualizaci nešlo, jen zapsali znovu stejná data do 
RÚIAN. Což ale je pro robota změna a změnu zpracuje; tedy pokud usoudí, že 
v OSM jsou významně odlišná data od RÚIAN, zaktualizuje. Snažím se to 
procházet, hodně kontrol je automatických, ale občas nezafungují, protože 
jsou v RÚIAN třeba špatně zakreslené budovy a v tom případě bod posunuje 
adresní místo na budovu a nenechává ho na budově jiné či desítky metrů 
daleko.

Snad to nezpůsobí moc velký zmatek. Není v mých silách procházet všechny 
adresy v Praze, kde se co zvoralo. Snad toho moc nebude.

Hlavně doufám, že Praha není jen předehrou pro celou ČR.

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Using greater than & less than values in Overpass-euro

[Donal Diamond]

This work for you?

http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/qnj

On 13 July 2017 at 19:00, Donal Diamond  wrote:

> This numeric comparison features was only added in Version 0.7.54
>
> There's some blog posts on how to use these new features:
>
> See  https://dev.overpass-api.de/blog/numbers.html
>
> and the rest of the posts at https://dev.overpass-api.de/blog/index.html
>
> D
>
> On 13 July 2017 at 08:51, Donal Hunt  wrote:
>
>> Does this answer your query?
>>
>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/41854953/overpass-api-
>> comparison-operators
>>
>> I also read something about using min and max queries which might be
>> relevant.
>>
>> D. (Mostly a newbie)
>>
>> On 13 Jul 2017 08:39, "Brian Hollinshead"  wrote:
>>
>> > I have a query
>> >
>> > http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/qm4
>> >
>> > which searches where population equals an exact figure which works fine.
>> >
>> > I would like to be able to select a range. [population >3999 and <5000]
>> >
>> > I have tried [population<5000] and [population<=5000] to no avail.
>> >
>> > Your help would be much appreciated
>> >
>> > Thanks
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Re: [Talk-TW] 粉絲專頁地址在的openstreemap地圖標示錯誤

[Dennis Raylin Chen]

Facebook 的 POI是群眾維護的，因此請到 Place Edtior 找多點人修改

https://www.facebook.com/editor/




不含病毒。www.avast.com

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2017-07-11 12:27 GMT+08:00 a0932225847 :

> Dear Dennis,
>
> 謝謝回覆，但是目前在漫5咖啡的粉絲專員的“關於”項目中的地圖標示位置和”規劃路綫“都是錯誤的位置和地址，麻煩你是否可以幫忙解決，感謝！
>
>
> 從我的 Samsung Galaxy 智慧型手機傳送。
>
>  原始訊息 
> 自： Dennis Raylin Chen 
> 日期： 2017/7/10 17:37 (GMT+08:00)
> 至： a0932225847 
> 副本： "OSM.TW" 
> 主旨： Re: [Talk-TW] 粉絲專頁地址在的openstreemap地圖標示錯誤
>
> 你好：
>
> 目前在OpenStreetMap上並未有漫5咖啡的資料，應該是Facebook的位置資訊出錯，建粉絲頁時位置點錯
>
> 已經幫你修正Facebook上錯誤位置
>
>
> Dennis
>
> 2017-07-09 13:38 GMT+08:00 a0932225847 :
>
>> 漫5咖啡的粉絲專頁@Roamingaboutcoffee的地址，宜蘭市舊城西路5號，在openstreemap地圖標示位置錯誤，請更正謝謝！
>>
>>
>>
>> 從我的 Samsung Galaxy 智慧型手機傳送。
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Using greater than & less than values in Overpass-euro

[Donal Diamond]

This numeric comparison features was only added in Version 0.7.54

There's some blog posts on how to use these new features:

See  https://dev.overpass-api.de/blog/numbers.html

and the rest of the posts at https://dev.overpass-api.de/blog/index.html

D

On 13 July 2017 at 08:51, Donal Hunt  wrote:

> Does this answer your query?
>
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/41854953/overpass-
> api-comparison-operators
>
> I also read something about using min and max queries which might be
> relevant.
>
> D. (Mostly a newbie)
>
> On 13 Jul 2017 08:39, "Brian Hollinshead"  wrote:
>
> > I have a query
> >
> > http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/qm4
> >
> > which searches where population equals an exact figure which works fine.
> >
> > I would like to be able to select a range. [population >3999 and <5000]
> >
> > I have tried [population<5000] and [population<=5000] to no avail.
> >
> > Your help would be much appreciated
> >
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Re: [Talk-us] Ferry durations

[Clifford Snow]

I update Martijn overpass query to find ferry routes without a duration
tag. Washington State is considered to have the largest ferry system in the
world, but damm, I didn't know there were so many ferry routes in the state!

These are just the one's without a duration tag. I have emails into a
number of the operators to get durations. Other I just need to lookup. Work
in progress.

http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/qna

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 1:55 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea <
stevea...@softworkers.com> wrote:

> I like the idea of adding ferries without duration to MapRoulette — great
> idea!
> If you don't, I will!  (Well, it might take me a while).
> I'll check in a week or so and if nobody has, I'll give it a go.
>
> (Last ferry I rode in BC was to Bowen Island to attend a wedding of some
> friends who grew up there).
>
> SteveA
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Impossible de charger le cadastre dans JOSM

[lenny.libre]

Bonjour

pas de soucis avec l'imagerie cadastre dans JOSM

cordialement

Leni


Le 13/07/2017 à 19:00, Francescu GAROBY a écrit :

Bonjour,
Comme mon titre de mail l'indique, depuis quelques temps, je n'arrive 
plus à charger le cadastre comme fond de carte de JOSM.

Vous rencontrez le même problème ?

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[OSM-talk-fr] Impossible de charger le cadastre dans JOSM

[Francescu GAROBY]

Bonjour,
Comme mon titre de mail l'indique, depuis quelques temps, je n'arrive plus
à charger le cadastre comme fond de carte de JOSM.
Vous rencontrez le même problème ?

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Re: [Talk-pt] Monchique - Fóia

[Jorge Gustavo Rocha]

Olá,

Às 17:04 de 13-07-2017, Topo Lusitania Lusitania escreveu:
> Caros
> 
> Com as novas fotos do Bing, tudo num raio de umas centenas de metros
> parece ter sofrido uma translação. Melhores fotos, melhor
> georeferenciadas ? Ou outra coisa qualquer ?

É por essas e por outras que gosto muito de usar o GPS :-)

Onde notas essas diferenças grandes? (Na Madeira chegou a acontecer, mas
nunca tinha visto problemas desses no continente).

Manda um link para o mapa onde isso está a acontecer, que tenho
curiosidade em ver se há diferenças de georreferenciação das imagens do
Bing.

Abraço,

> 
> Por u´ltimo , do Alentejo profundom uma agradável surpresa:
> 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/history#map=16/37.9346/-7.7735
> 
> Cumprimentos
>  
> A equipa TopoLusitania
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Re: [Talk-it] [JOSM] recuperare plugin obsoleti

[Marco (MarcoR)]

Il 13/07/2017 12:03, Cascafico Giovanni ha scritto:
Per qualche motivo ho perso il plugin building tool del mio vecchio 
JOSM6115. Non posso istallare JOSM successive... dove lo posso trovare?


L'internet archive ha salvato qualche vecchia versione: 
http://web.archive.org/web/*/https://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/editors/josm/dist/


A te dovrebbe poter andare bene quella del 18 maggio 2013 (nel file 
MANIFEST.MF è indicata una versione minima di Josm pari a 5960): 
http://web.archive.org/web/20130518134116/http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/editors/josm/dist/buildings_tools.jar


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Marco.

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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] SIS code 148

[Alert Bouterse]

Het kan maar geheim zijn., ☺ een uitdaging om te ontrafelen.
Alert

Op 13 jul. 2017 5:49 PM schreef "H.J.A.Kerkhoff" :

> Bericht van Liander
>
>
>
> Geachte heer Kerkhoff,
>
>
>
> Op 11 juli heeft u ons een e-mail gestuurd. Hierin vraagt u wat de SIS
> code 148 inhoud. In deze e-mail leest u mijn reactie.
>
>
>
>
>
> *SIS code 148*
>
> Helaas kunnen wij u niet aangegeven wat deze code inhoud. Dit is geen
> informatie wat aan derden vertrekt zal worden.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Tot slot*
>
> Heeft u nog vragen? Op www.liander.nl vindt u antwoord op alle
> veelgestelde vragen. U kunt mij ook bereiken door deze e-mail te
> beantwoorden.
>
>
>
> Met vriendelijke groet,
>
> Liander N.V.
>
>
>
> Dhr. Slangewal
>
> Medewerker Klant & Markt
>
>
>
>
>
> *Van:* St Niklaas [mailto:st.nikl...@live.nl]
> *Verzonden:* woensdag 12 juli 2017 15:18
> *Aan:* OpenStreetMap NL discussion list 
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [OSM-talk-nl] SIS code 148
>
>
>
> Hi Pander,
>
>
>
> Een leuke verzameling links over veiligheid op en nabij het spoor. Ik heb
> me daar ooit ook eens in verdiept maar het gaat nu verder.
>
> Bedankt
>
>
>
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[Talk-pt] Monchique - Fóia

[Topo Lusitania Lusitania]

Caros
Com as novas fotos do Bing, tudo num raio de umas centenas de metros parece ter 
sofrido uma translação. Melhores fotos, melhor georeferenciadas ? Ou outra 
coisa qualquer ?
Por u´ltimo , do Alentejo profundom uma agradável surpresa:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/history#map=16/37.9346/-7.7735

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Tagger un bazar d'été, qui vend des articles de plage, des jouets...

[althio]

Si j'osais, je te dirais d'utiliser
shop = beach

Tu ne serais pas le premier, même si c'est rare.
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=shop%3Dbeach

Si j'osais encore plus, je te dirais de documenter ça dans le wiki :)
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Shops
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dbeach



2017-07-12 9:17 GMT+02:00 Nicolas Toublanc :
> Bonjour,
>
> Je ne sais pas trop comment tagger un bazar de bord de mer, qui vend surtout
> des jouets et articles de plages.
>
> Des jouets, ça fait penser à autre chose (spécialité jouets, alors qu'ici on
> a juste quelques ballons et jouets de plage):
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dtoys
>
> Souvent on y trouve aussi des souvenirs, mais pas toujours, et parfois c'est
> très secondaire: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dgift
>
> Merci!
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Best practice in Lane Editing 3

[Tod Fitch]

Case 1: First example is much closer to how I would tag it based on the the 
rule that it should not be a separate way if it is only separated by paint.

Case 2: I would not expect the two paths to be considered safe or legal where I 
live in the US (not in Michigan). While there is some effort at coordinating 
traffic laws between states, ultimately it is up to the state to define their 
own rules so it might vary from state to state.

> On Jul 13, 2017, at 12:15 AM, Horea Meleg  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Me and my Telenav colleagues are editing lane numbers in Detroit area. We 
> have two cases, where any opinion would be appreciated.
> 
> Case 1 
> 
> We are editing lanes and turn lanes and we came across with those 2 
> situations:
> 
> 42.4479327, -83.0484338
> 
> 42.2826283, -83.3683861
>
>  
> 
> Which road geometry do you think is correct edited? The links are edited 
> different even that, according to Bing aerial imagery they should be edited 
> in the same way. Also, in these situations, each road geometry causes a 
> different lane and turn lane tagging. 
> 
> Case 2
> 
> We have this situation:
> 
> 42.6515832, -83.1619915
> 
> 
>  
> 
> According to US driving rules, are those turns allowed? Are you allowed to go 
> on the link if you are coming from South?
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Horea 
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[Talk-cz] Přijďte na červencový Missing maps mapathon v Praze

[Jan Bohm]

Zdravím všechny v talk-cz,

Za necelé dva týdny pořádáme (jako pravidelně poslední úterý v měsíci) Missing 
maps mapathon v Praze.

Pro vás bude zajímavé, že se na mapathonech čím dál víc posouváme také k 
sofistikovanějším tématům, jako jsou skripty pro JOSM nebo validace. Srdečně 
proto zvu. Registrovat se můžete zde:

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/cervencovy-missing-maps-mapathon-v-praze-registration-35815976550

Zdraví
Honza Böhm

Jan Böhm | Digital Strategist
Lékaři bez hranic | Médecins Sans Frontières
Seifertova 555/47 | 130 00 Praha 3 | Czech Republic
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Jungle Bus a besoin de vous + Ghana

[Marc]

July 13, 2017 4:26 PM, "Vincent Bergeot"  wrote:

> Le 13/07/2017 à 15:50, Marc a écrit :
> 
>> July 11, 2017 3:53 PM, "Florian LAINEZ"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Salut,
>>> Jungle Bus, c'est le projet qui vise à cartographier les points d'arrêt et 
>>> les lignes de transport
>>> dans OSM.
>>> Nous voulons créer de nouveaux outils dont la simplicité d'utilisation nous 
>>> permettra de mapper
>>> plus efficacement mais aussi d'élargir la communauté OSM.
>>> 
>>> Nous en avons déjà parlé durant le SotM-fr, nous menons une campagne de 
>>> crowdfunding, vous nous
>>> aidez à réaliser nos projets ?
>>> https://fr.ulule.com/jungle-bus
>>> 
>>> Voici où l'on en est pour l'instant :
>>> 
>>> -terminer le dév de l'appli mobile - DÉJÀ FINANCÉ
>> 
>> Bonjour,
>> 
>> je m’intéresse à votre projet mais je n'ai pas été capable de trouver 
>> l'application ailleurs que
>> sur le google play store (auquel je n'ai pas accès). Est-il possible 
>> d'accéder à l'application par
>> un autre moyen ?
> 
> Bonjour,
> je ne sais pas si c'est la dernière version, mais celle ci avait été
> diffusé :
> https://github.com/jawg/osm-contributor/releases/download/v3.0.3/Bus_Contributor_v1.0.apk
> 

A partir de là, on trouve la version 1.1:
https://github.com/jawg/osm-contributor/releases/tag/v3.0.4
qui date de mars. Sur le play store, la version 1.2 de juin est disponible.

Je vais déjà pouvoir tester ça, merci !

Marc

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Jungle Bus a besoin de vous + Ghana

[Vincent Bergeot]

Le 13/07/2017 à 15:50, Marc a écrit :

July 11, 2017 3:53 PM, "Florian LAINEZ"  wrote:


Salut,
Jungle Bus, c'est le projet qui vise à cartographier les points d'arrêt et les 
lignes de transport
dans OSM.
Nous voulons créer de nouveaux outils dont la simplicité d'utilisation nous 
permettra de mapper
plus efficacement mais aussi d'élargir la communauté OSM.

Nous en avons déjà parlé durant le SotM-fr, nous menons une campagne de 
crowdfunding, vous nous
aidez à réaliser nos projets ?
https://fr.ulule.com/jungle-bus/

Voici où l'on en est pour l'instant :

-terminer le dév de l'appli mobile - DÉJÀ FINANCÉ

Bonjour,

je m’intéresse à votre projet mais je n'ai pas été capable de trouver 
l'application ailleurs que sur le google play store (auquel je n'ai pas accès). 
Est-il possible d'accéder à l'application par un autre moyen ?


Bonjour,
je ne sais pas si c'est la dernière version, mais celle ci avait été 
diffusé : 
https://github.com/jawg/osm-contributor/releases/download/v3.0.3/Bus_Contributor_v1.0.apk


à plus







Merci,
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[OSM-talk-fr] Un géant des mers...

[Philippe Verdy]

Le plus grand iceberg jamais vu de mémoire d'homme s'est finalement détaché
de l'Antarctique.
5800 km², 10% de la surface totale de la barrière de glace Antractique,
plus de 300 mètres de haut, plus de 200 km de long, plusieurs milliards de
mètres cube.

L'Antarctique célèbre à sa façon le déni de Trump pour son voyage officiel
à Paris...

http://actualites.nouvelobs.com/planete/20170712.OBS2028/5-questions-sur-l-immense-iceberg-qui-vient-de-se-detacher-de-l-antarctique.html?cm_mmc=Acqui_MNR-_-NO-_-WelcomeMedia-_-edito=wm#xtor=EREC-10-[WM]-20170713
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Jungle Bus a besoin de vous + Ghana

[Marc]

July 11, 2017 3:53 PM, "Florian LAINEZ"  wrote:

> Salut,
> Jungle Bus, c'est le projet qui vise à cartographier les points d'arrêt et 
> les lignes de transport
> dans OSM.
> Nous voulons créer de nouveaux outils dont la simplicité d'utilisation nous 
> permettra de mapper
> plus efficacement mais aussi d'élargir la communauté OSM.
> 
> Nous en avons déjà parlé durant le SotM-fr, nous menons une campagne de 
> crowdfunding, vous nous
> aidez à réaliser nos projets ?
> https://fr.ulule.com/jungle-bus/
> 
> Voici où l'on en est pour l'instant :
> 
> -terminer le dév de l'appli mobile - DÉJÀ FINANCÉ

Bonjour,

je m’intéresse à votre projet mais je n'ai pas été capable de trouver 
l'application ailleurs que sur le google play store (auquel je n'ai pas accès). 
Est-il possible d'accéder à l'application par un autre moyen ?

Merci,
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Bar ou resto des 2 côtés du pâté de maison

[djakk djakk]

Pour la terrasse de l'autre côté de la rue, ça peut aussi concerner les
grosses routes : http://forum.sara-infras.fr/viewtopic.php?p=188224#p188224
 :)

Le principal problème entre Moulins et Vichy est la traversee de St
Pourcain a cause d'un...bar/resto. La terrasse est de l'autre cote
de la rue et c est un aller et retour incessant de chaque cote par les
serveurs. J'y avais bien perdu 15-20 min l'été dernier.


Le 12 juillet 2017 à 21:03, Philippe Verdy  a écrit :

> Autre exemple à côté de chez moi:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/46.32367/-0.45893
>
> Tous les bars/pubs/restaus sur l'esplanade ont des terrasses situés de
> l'autre côté d'une voie réservée aux piétons/cyclistes et au passage des
> véhicules de sécurité (police/pompiers) ou de service (camions poubelle,
> certaines livraisons, transports de fonds) où peuvent aussi circuler
> (vitesse: au pas) des véhicules de transport d'handicapés (minibus ou taxis
> et VSL). Les véhicules autorisés ne sont pas rares (même aux heures
> d'ouverture de ces terrasses jusqu'à 1h du matin, parfois 3h lors de
> certaines fêtes : la police passe souvent, les convoyeurs de fonds aussi,
> les camions de livraison peuvent passer aussi à certaines heures le matin
> alors que les terrasses sont déjà ouvertes pour certains commerçants).
>
> Cette esplanade était il y a quelques années une voie de circulation
> normale.
>
> Le 12 juillet 2017 à 20:44,  a écrit :
>
>> Le 12/07/2017 à 19:18, marc marc - marc_marc_...@hotmail.com a écrit :
>>
>> si c'est 2 bâtiments séparé par une route publique... pour moi c'est 2
>> restaurant même sils ont le même patron.. un peu comme 2 macdo...
>> j'imagine pas une cuisine unique qui désert l'autre côté de la rue :)
>>
>> Comme illustré par Philippe ça dépend de la voirie en question.
>> Typiquement https://www.openstreetmap.org#map=19/43.94451/4.80757
>> La "rue" Place des Corps-Saints n'a pas empêché certain-e-s d'entre nous
>> d'être servis sur la place alors que le bistro se trouvait de l'autre côté.
>> Pour la pizzéria, oui il fallait aller chercher sa pizza mais la terrasse
>> appartenait au bistro, pas à la pizzéria.
>> La bonne métrique est peut-être : est-ce que le numéro pour réserver est
>> le même ? Est-ce que si on entre dans l'un ou l'autre on peut nous placer
>> dans l'autre lieu ?
>> 2 MerDo n'ont pas le même numéro même s'ils ont le même patron.
>> Et d'ailleurs ce n'est pas la même société, histoire de rester en dessous
>> de 50 salarié-e-s par exemple.
>>
>> Jean-Yvon
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[OSM-talk-ie] Using greater than & less than values in Overpass-euro

[Colm Moore]

Hi,


Note that there is a list of populations (and almost every other tag, except 
for a few like name=*) here: http://stat.latlon.org/ie/latest/tags-p.html

It is sorted 'alphabetically', not numerically, i.e. it is sorted 10, 20, 30, 
50, 500, 60, 90.


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Jungle Bus a besoin de vous + Ghana

[djakk djakk]

à H-9, plus que 700€ pour atteindre le palier "rendu cartographique" 8-)

Le 11 juillet 2017 à 15:51, Florian LAINEZ  a écrit :

> Salut,
> Jungle Bus, c'est le projet qui vise à cartographier les points d'arrêt et
> les lignes de transport dans OSM.
> Nous voulons créer de nouveaux outils dont la simplicité d'utilisation
> nous permettra de mapper plus efficacement mais aussi d'élargir la
> communauté OSM.
>
> Nous en avons déjà parlé durant le SotM-fr, nous menons une campagne de
> crowdfunding, vous nous aidez à réaliser nos projets ?
> https://fr.ulule.com/jungle-bus/
>
> Voici où l'on en est pour l'instant :
> -terminer le dév de l'appli mobile - DÉJÀ FINANCÉ
> -développer une nouvelle interface graphique pour le plugin PT_assistant
> de JOSM - DÉJÀ FINANCÉ
> -créer un nouveau rendu transport en vectoriel - ON Y EST PRESQUE !
>
> Il reste *jusqu'à jeudi soir minuit *pour nous soutenir, merci à tous
> pour votre aide.
> N'hésitez pas à en parler autour de vous, et si vous avez twitter,
> pourriez-vous svp RT nos annonces ces prochaines jours ?
> https://twitter.com/BusJungle
>
> --
> Dans la lancée de la campagne, nous allons cartographier dans OSM le
> réseau de transport informel de Accra, la capitale du Ghana, avec notre
> partenaire AFD (agence france développement). Je décolle dimanche donc si
> vous avez un message pour la communauté OSM du Ghana, c'est le moment de me
> le transmettre ;)
>
> Jungle !
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Osmose : cours d'eau qui se jette dans un lac

[Philippe Verdy]

Le 13 juillet 2017 à 15:00, Philippe Verdy  a écrit :

>
> J'ai corrigé les sens d'écoulement (tous vers le sud, hormis le canal le
> plus au nord reliant l'étang à la baie d'Arcachon, dont le sens est inversé
> à partir de la limite de l'étang, mais le point d'inversion devrait avoir
> une écluse quelque part pour placer ce point, qui n'est donc pas au milieu
> de cet étang).
>

Note que ces écluses ne sont pas visibles sur l'imagerie Bing car on tombe
dans une zone militaire floutée.
On peut regarder à la place dans le cadastre si elles y sont marquées.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Osmose : cours d'eau qui se jette dans un lac

[Philippe Verdy]

Le 13 juillet 2017 à 11:25, lenny.libre  a écrit :

>
> Pour indiquer le tracé à l'intérieur du Lac : je met un node au milieu du
> lac et partant de là, un "waterway=canal" vers l'exutoire N et un autre
> vers l'exutoire S, en inversant les ways (du canal) présents (dans osm)
> pour les mettre dans le bon sens d'écoulement ?
>

J'ai corrigé les sens d'écoulement (tous vers le sud, hormis le canal le
plus au nord reliant l'étang à la baie d'Arcachon, dont le sens est inversé
à partir de la limite de l'étang, mais le point d'inversion devrait avoir
une écluse quelque part pour placer ce point, qui n'est donc pas au milieu
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Re: [Talk-it] superati i 4 milioni di utenti registrati

[Gianluca Boero]

Il 13/07/2017 14:05, beppebo...@libero.it ha scritto:



Comunque nella mia zona ho riscontrato molti mapper nuovi rispetto a prima


Anche io...fortunatamente.

giovedì, 13 luglio 2017, 01:10PM +02:00 da Gianluca Boero 
gianlucabo...@alice.it :


Ottimo!!!

Secondo me però molti vedono la "novità", si impegnano
costantemente per
un tot di periodo poi o cala l'entusiasmo o sopraggiungono altri
impegni.

Per utenti inattivi si intende fermi da quanto tempo?


Il 13/07/2017 10:54, Alessandro Palmas ha scritto:
> La sera del 29 giugno è stata superata la soglia dei 4.000.000
di utenti
> registrati. Sappiamo che però i contributori attivi sono circa
l8% di
> quelli registrati, solamente 1 su 12, che è una dato sul quale
dovremmo
> riflettere. Pensiamo ad esempio a com'è organizzata la
documentazione (che
> spesso duplica o triplica le informazioni) e a come dare il
benvenuto ai
> nuovi utenti (a proposito ... http://welcome.openstreetmap.it/ ).
>
> Visto che ho aggiornato la pagina wikipedia con i link a
OSMit2016 e a
> FOSS4G-IT 2017 ho aggiunto anche quella notizia.
>
> https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap
>
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Re: [talk-au] TAGGING a 'club' to a suburb rather than its actual street address ot isolate risk of theft/abuse

[Gary Pope]

>
> Thanks Warin
>
> "take-home' has a whole new set of logistics issues.  Trust me,  the
> gear is best left at the club.
> But you are right when you declare that advertising the club's
> presence is important for gaining new blood.
>
> And so, we're left with marketing versus paranoia f loss.  as to
> whether a club more openly advertises its existence on the internet.
> That seems to be the main issue at task here.
>
>
> Gary
>
> On 06/07/17 21:06, Warin wrote:
>> Arr .. the old equipment is actual very nice once you get rid of the
>> dirt, rust and replace the worn out rubber drives, electrical cables
>> etc.
>> I have a few local woodworkers around me and they favour the older
>> gear. As in older .. say 25+ years.
>> The fact that is cast iron means it is very heavy and so moving it is
>> going to be a problem for theft.
>> They will take the modern portable powered stuff .. easily sold on ..
>> and that is easy to replace.
>> The reason why they would target the club is that they see it as not
>> as well protected as some other target.
>>
>> So - how to reduce the risk? Take the 'attractive' portable power
>> tools home after each meeting? 
>> People may want to use them at home anyway, so loaning them out ...
>> provided they come back or can be easily collected if required might
>> be good.
>>
>> Could look at using OSM as a base map and then applying an overlay of
>> the clubs area on top of that.
>> But you will need your own website to display it and have a displayed
>> means of contacting the individual clubs ..
>> Once that is displayed then anyone can contact the club - find out
>> where it is and when meetings are not taking place and target them.
>> The anti theft thing gains little.. and the loss is that it is not
>> displayed/advertised on the OSM map which has a wide audience - most
>> cell phone users have an OSM source map on their phone.
>> Unless the club wants to hide away and not have any new blood then I
>> see little advantage in not advertising the clubs presence ..
>> particularly to people local in the area.
>>
>> On 06-Jul-17 08:21 PM, Gary Pope wrote:
>>> Warin
>>>
>>> All good input - agreed.The generic use of
>>> 'president.@gmail.com  is already well adhered to.  
>>> And the matter of searching in the end or the Club as a second step
>>> I agree with.  It is in fact, from a security/risk point of view, 
>>> all about mitigating the risks.   The outright purpose was to simply
>>> ascertain,  where , in this fine country, are the 180 clubs.  Once
>>> people know that one is nearby, then they can resort to other search
>>> methodologies t finally find it.
>>>
>>> Interesting tonight after getting a few terrific replies like
>>> yours,  to ascertain the real issues legally, technically amd
>>> emotionally,  and we start asking questions like:
>>>
>>> 'Who would ant to knock off some 15 year old, outdated machinery
>>> anyway?"versus the fact that jewellery companies and cash based
>>> firms are already all over the OSM maps - so why would a robber
>>> suddenly think woodworking clubs are a target ?
>>>
>>>
>>> You and I are on the same page, Warin.   They point still remains, 
>>> that there are committees on these clubs who remain paranoid, or in
>>> fact, sensibly smart, in ensuring that ANY risk of an impact on
>>> their not-for-profit club is worth safeguarding.  So,  if a MAP were
>>> to make it 1% easier to FIND such clubs, then such a MAP should be
>>> avoided.   That's the impression I'm coming too, as I read and
>>> evaluate everyone's answers.  But the sad conclusion is,  that we're
>>> running scared of a 1% chance of impact,  versus the terrific help
>>> and awareness of how to join and enjoy such clubs, could attain.  
>>> And it is that LAST point that motivates me to find a solution.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Warin!
>>>
>>> Appreciate you, like other too, to find time to reply to my
>>> passionate query,
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 06/07/17 19:43, Warin wrote:
 Hi,
 Andrew has it correct ... the map shows the actual location. Many
 things on the map could be targets for theft - car mechanics
 garages for instance.
 Sorry but I don't see anyway that an area can be mapped for a club
 workshop,
 the address will be found to anyone who really wants it, all that
 putting it in OSM does is makes it a little easier.
 A google search on woodworking clubs gets a few hits - most of them
 with addresses.

 As for spam emails and emails to past office holders .. too easy?

 Email for club secretary?  
 sidney.woodwork.club.secret...@gmail.com as an example -
 The gmail account can be past from one office holder to the next.
 Gmail does filter spam somewhat too.
 This may go against gmails rules .. contact them and see if they
 can understand the requirement and if they would accept it.

 Phone numbers are some what harder unless you have a landline at
 the club premises - 

Re: [Talk-it] superati i 4 milioni di utenti registrati

[beppebonin]

Non so se si può vedere dalle statistiche, ma a mio avviso dove una zona è ben 
mappata incita un contributo invece se una zona ad esempio non ha strade con 
nome, edifici o vegetazione e c'è troppo lavoro da fare disincentiva il 
contributo e magari si accontentano di altro anche se con potenziale minore.
Comunque nella mia zona ho riscontrato molti mapper nuovi rispetto a prima 
giovedì, 13 luglio 2017, 01:10PM +02:00 da Gianluca Boero  
gianlucabo...@alice.it :

>Ottimo!!!
>
>Secondo me però molti vedono la "novità", si impegnano costantemente per 
>un tot di periodo poi o cala l'entusiasmo o sopraggiungono altri impegni.
>
>Per utenti inattivi si intende fermi da quanto tempo?
>
>
>Il 13/07/2017 10:54, Alessandro Palmas ha scritto:
>> La sera del 29 giugno è stata superata la soglia dei 4.000.000 di utenti
>> registrati. Sappiamo che però i contributori attivi sono circa l8% di
>> quelli registrati, solamente 1 su 12, che è una dato sul quale dovremmo
>> riflettere. Pensiamo ad esempio a com'è organizzata la documentazione (che
>> spesso duplica o triplica le informazioni) e a come dare il benvenuto ai
>> nuovi utenti (a proposito ...  http://welcome.openstreetmap.it/ ).
>>
>> Visto che ho aggiornato la pagina wikipedia con i link a OSMit2016 e a
>> FOSS4G-IT 2017 ho aggiunto anche quella notizia.
>>
>>  https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap
>>
>> Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT
>>
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Re: [Talk-it] superati i 4 milioni di utenti registrati

[Gianluca Boero]

Ottimo!!!

Secondo me però molti vedono la "novità", si impegnano costantemente per 
un tot di periodo poi o cala l'entusiasmo o sopraggiungono altri impegni.


Per utenti inattivi si intende fermi da quanto tempo?


Il 13/07/2017 10:54, Alessandro Palmas ha scritto:

La sera del 29 giugno è stata superata la soglia dei 4.000.000 di utenti
registrati. Sappiamo che però i contributori attivi sono circa l8% di
quelli registrati, solamente 1 su 12, che è una dato sul quale dovremmo
riflettere. Pensiamo ad esempio a com'è organizzata la documentazione (che
spesso duplica o triplica le informazioni) e a come dare il benvenuto ai
nuovi utenti (a proposito ... http://welcome.openstreetmap.it/ ).

Visto che ho aggiornato la pagina wikipedia con i link a OSMit2016 e a
FOSS4G-IT 2017 ho aggiunto anche quella notizia.

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Osmose : cours d'eau qui se jette dans un lac

[Philippe Verdy]

Note que j'ai tracé les exutoires qui manquaient vers le Sud
Je n'ai pas donné non plus de noms

Je n'ai pas fait en revanche la connexion vers le Nord par le canal des
Landes en direction du bassin d'Arcachon.


Le 13 juillet 2017 à 11:29, lenny.libre  a écrit :

>
> Le 09/07/2017 à 18:33, Philippe Verdy a écrit :
>
> Il y a bien un exutoire vers l'ouest pour le dernier étang au sud: le
> "courant de Mimizan" qui se jette en mer...
>
> Le 9 juillet 2017 à 18:18,  a écrit :
>
>> Le 09/07/2017 à 15:31, François Lacombe - fl.infosrese...@gmail.com a
>> écrit :
>>
>> Bonjour
>>
>> Peut etre est ce déjà le cas, mais même si une riviere est un affluent
>> d'un lac, il doit y avoir un reseau topologique de waterway dans le lac
>> pour informer sur les differents écoulements.
>>
>> Ici, le lac a bien un derversoir et donc les affluents devraient y etre
>> connectés via un waterway=river
>> Ce qui ferait disparaître ainsi le signalement osmose
>>
>> Partagez-vous ce point de vue ?
>>
>> François
>>
>> Presque car le lac semble se jeter dans le canal qui se jette dans le lac
>> au sud dont je ne vois pas d’exutoire.
>> Donc à la question de base : est que l'eau du ruisseau s'écoule au moins
>> partiellement et en surface dans l'océan ? je n'ai pas la réponse.
>> Lenny gagne le droit d'exercer ses talents d'observateur avant de
>> déclarer faux positif.
>>
>> Jean-Yvonps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
>> 
>>
>
> *coupeLacsLandais*https://framadrop.org/r/1zy_u7Fk8v#lqJK3LSHzX27+
> QrjNCPNgmpoXufMrdDIjMZVsc0QKfI=
> *lacsLandais*https://framadrop.org/r/
> IZzUXJ3Lp0#GjU1ydHbcrRbYO73/WYukJw/fKuMna7Rb+2LsfRVwIw=
>
> Le lac de Cazaux-Sanguinet a bien deux exutoires : un vers le Bassin et
> l'autre par les lacs vers le "courant de Mimizan" comme l'a bien vu
> Philippe.
>
> Pour indiquer le tracé à l'intérieur du Lac : je met un node au milieu du
> lac et partant de là, un "waterway=canal" vers l'exutoire N et un autre
> vers l'exutoire S, en inversant les ways (du canal) présents (dans osm)
> pour les mettre dans le bon sens d'écoulement ?
> *canalDansLac*https://framadrop.org/r/LXW3uDSNaT#
> hSZiKOnWzRMxH5WiG8KwTc0p7nHHENGqQv3V7N19dXw=
>
> cordialement
> Leni
>
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Re: [Talk-it] [JOSM] recuperare plugin obsoleti

[Alessandro]

Il 13/07/2017 12:03, Cascafico Giovanni ha scritto:
Per qualche motivo ho perso il plugin building tool del mio vecchio 
JOSM6115. Non posso istallare JOSM successive... dove lo posso trovare?




Se qualcuno ne ha installata una vecchia versione può recuperare il file 
in home/utente/.josm/plugins/ e spedirlo via mail


Per chi ha quei bizzarri sistemi operativi chiamati Winqualcosa cercate 
josm in qualche cartelal nascosta e lo trovate.


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Re: [Talk-it] [JOSM] recuperare plugin obsoleti

[girarsi_liste]

Chiedo scusa a Cascafico se ho mandato la mail solo a lui, rispedisco
alla lista.

Il 13/07/2017 12:26, girarsi_liste ha scritto:
> Il 13/07/2017 12:03, Cascafico Giovanni ha scritto:
>> Per qualche motivo ho perso il plugin building tool del mio vecchio
>> JOSM6115. Non posso istallare JOSM successive... dove lo posso trovare?
>>
>>
> 
> Per quale motivo sei alla 6115?
> 
> Sarà defunto per vecchiaia!
> 
> Ma se ti scarichi l'ultim in ordine di tempo non funziona?
> 
> https://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/editors/josm/dist/
> 
> 


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[Talk-it] [JOSM] recuperare plugin obsoleti

[Cascafico Giovanni]

Per qualche motivo ho perso il plugin building tool del mio vecchio
JOSM6115. Non posso istallare JOSM successive... dove lo posso trovare?
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Re: [Talk-it] superati i 4 milioni di utenti registrati

[Alessandro Palmas]

> Cheddici di aggiungere alla pagina wiki dei dati [1] anche il servizio [2]
> estratti regionali e comunali italiani?
>

Fatto :-)
Grazie per il consiglio, non avevo scorso la pagina sino in fondo.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Osmose : cours d'eau qui se jette dans un lac

[lenny.libre]

Le 09/07/2017 à 18:33, Philippe Verdy a écrit :
Il y a bien un exutoire vers l'ouest pour le dernier étang au sud: le 
"courant de Mimizan" qui se jette en mer...


Le 9 juillet 2017 à 18:18, > a écrit :


Le 09/07/2017 à 15:31, François Lacombe -
fl.infosrese...@gmail.com  a écrit :


Bonjour

Peut etre est ce déjà le cas, mais même si une riviere est un
affluent d'un lac, il doit y avoir un reseau topologique de
waterway dans le lac pour informer sur les differents écoulements.

Ici, le lac a bien un derversoir et donc les affluents devraient
y etre connectés via un waterway=river
Ce qui ferait disparaître ainsi le signalement osmose

Partagez-vous ce point de vue ?

François

Presque car le lac semble se jeter dans le canal qui se jette dans
le lac au sud dont je ne vois pas d’exutoire.
Donc à la question de base : est que l'eau du ruisseau s'écoule au
moins partiellement et en surface dans l'océan ? je n'ai pas la
réponse.
Lenny gagne le droit d'exercer ses talents d'observateur avant de
déclarer faux positif.

Jean-Yvonps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr



*coupeLacsLandais 
*https://framadrop.org/r/1zy_u7Fk8v#lqJK3LSHzX27+QrjNCPNgmpoXufMrdDIjMZVsc0QKfI=
*lacsLandais 
*https://framadrop.org/r/IZzUXJ3Lp0#GjU1ydHbcrRbYO73/WYukJw/fKuMna7Rb+2LsfRVwIw=


Le lac de Cazaux-Sanguinet a bien deux exutoires : un vers le Bassin et 
l'autre par les lacs vers le "courant de Mimizan" comme l'a bien vu 
Philippe.


Pour indiquer le tracé à l'intérieur du Lac : je met un node au milieu 
du lac et partant de là, un "waterway=canal" vers l'exutoire N et un 
autre vers l'exutoire S, en inversant les ways (du canal) présents (dans 
osm) pour les mettre dans le bon sens d'écoulement ?
*canalDansLac 
*https://framadrop.org/r/LXW3uDSNaT#hSZiKOnWzRMxH5WiG8KwTc0p7nHHENGqQv3V7N19dXw=


cordialement
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Re: [Talk-it] superati i 4 milioni di utenti registrati

[Cascafico Giovanni]

Cheddici di aggiungere alla pagina wiki dei dati [1] anche il servizio [2]
estratti regionali e comunali italiani?


[1] https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap#Dati_per_le_mappe
[2] http://estratti.openstreetmap.it/

Il giorno 13 luglio 2017 10:54, Alessandro Palmas <
alessandro.pal...@wikimedia.it> ha scritto:

> La sera del 29 giugno è stata superata la soglia dei 4.000.000 di utenti
> registrati. Sappiamo che però i contributori attivi sono circa l8% di
> quelli registrati, solamente 1 su 12, che è una dato sul quale dovremmo
> riflettere. Pensiamo ad esempio a com'è organizzata la documentazione (che
> spesso duplica o triplica le informazioni) e a come dare il benvenuto ai
> nuovi utenti (a proposito ... http://welcome.openstreetmap.it/ ).
>
> Visto che ho aggiornato la pagina wikipedia con i link a OSMit2016 e a
> FOSS4G-IT 2017 ho aggiunto anche quella notizia.
>
> https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap
>
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[Talk-it] superati i 4 milioni di utenti registrati

[Alessandro Palmas]

La sera del 29 giugno è stata superata la soglia dei 4.000.000 di utenti
registrati. Sappiamo che però i contributori attivi sono circa l8% di
quelli registrati, solamente 1 su 12, che è una dato sul quale dovremmo
riflettere. Pensiamo ad esempio a com'è organizzata la documentazione (che
spesso duplica o triplica le informazioni) e a come dare il benvenuto ai
nuovi utenti (a proposito ... http://welcome.openstreetmap.it/ ).

Visto che ho aggiornato la pagina wikipedia con i link a OSMit2016 e a
FOSS4G-IT 2017 ho aggiunto anche quella notizia.

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap

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Re: [Talk-cz] Oprava start_date

[Jan Macura]

2017-07-13 10:14 GMT+02:00 Petr Schönmann :

> Tak ještě kontrola validnosti datumu na vstupu. Žádný 13+ měsíc nebo
> 31+den tam není
>
> Přestupné roky taky ok
>
> Měsíce co mají 30 dní nemají taky více dní než by měli mít
>
> Ještě něco co je třeba podchytit ?
>
>
Pecka, cpi to tam! ;-)

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Re: [Talk-cz] Oprava start_date

[Marián Kyral]

Čau,
za mně OK. Jdi do toho :-D

Marián


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Tak ještě kontrola validnosti datumu na vstupu. Žádný 13+ měsíc nebo 31+den
tam není
grep start_date startdate_dot.osm | egrep -v "([1-9]|[0-2][0-9]|3[01]).([1-
9]|1[0-2]|0[1-9]).[0-9]{4}"

nic nevyhodí.


Přestupné roky taky ok
~/osm$ grep start_date startdate_dot.osm | egrep -e "29.(2|02).[0-9]{4}"
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    


Měsíce co mají 30 dní nemají taky více dní než by měli mít

~/osm$ grep start_date startdate_dot.osm | egrep -e "3[1-9].(2|4|6|9|11|02|
04|06|09).[0-9]{4}"

Nic nevypsal


Ještě něco co je třeba podchytit ?




čt 13. 7. 2017 v 9:18 odesílatel Marián Kyral  napsal:

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Já to nahraju tak jak jsem si to připravil. Potřeboval jsem jen kontrolu zda
není někde bota. Ale pokud script najdeš, klidně jej vystav na github.


@Jan Macura ... zaměňuje se vpodstatě jen  za DD ( zrcadlově ) takže k
tobě zmiňované záměně dojít nemůže.

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neřekl bych




DD.MM. -> -MM-DD -> OK

MM.DD. -> -DD-MM -> průser ;-)



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Re: [Talk-cz] Oprava start_date

[Petr Schönmann]

Tak ještě kontrola validnosti datumu na vstupu. Žádný 13+ měsíc nebo 31+den
tam není
grep start_date startdate_dot.osm | egrep -v
"([1-9]|[0-2][0-9]|3[01]).([1-9]|1[0-2]|0[1-9]).[0-9]{4}"
nic nevyhodí.

Přestupné roky taky ok
~/osm$ grep start_date startdate_dot.osm | egrep -e "29.(2|02).[0-9]{4}"












Měsíce co mají 30 dní nemají taky více dní než by měli mít

~/osm$ grep start_date startdate_dot.osm | egrep -e
"3[1-9].(2|4|6|9|11|02|04|06|09).[0-9]{4}"
Nic nevypsal

Ještě něco co je třeba podchytit ?

čt 13. 7. 2017 v 9:18 odesílatel Marián Kyral  napsal:

>
> -- Původní e-mail --
> Od: Petr Schönmann 
> Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
> Datum: 13. 7. 2017 9:02:20
> Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Oprava start_date
>
> Já to nahraju tak jak jsem si to připravil. Potřeboval jsem jen kontrolu
> zda není někde bota. Ale pokud script najdeš, klidně jej vystav na github.
>
> @Jan Macura ... zaměňuje se vpodstatě jen  za DD ( zrcadlově ) takže k
> tobě zmiňované záměně dojít nemůže.
>
>
> neřekl bych
>
>
> DD.MM. -> -MM-DD -> OK
> MM.DD. -> -DD-MM -> průser ;-)
>
>
> Marián
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[OSM-talk-fr] [Rennes] Ateliers Wikidata et OSM

[PanierAvide]

Bonjour à tous,

Après celui du 26 juin 2017, un nouvel atelier autour de Wikidata est 
organisé dans le cadre des rendez-vous 4C aux Champs Libres, à Rennes. 
Il aura lieu à l’Espace Magenta, accessible par le boulevard Magenta, le 
mardi 25 juillet 2017, 19h - 21h. Plan d'accès :


http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=48.10507=-1.67396#map=19/48.10507/-1.67396

Plusieurs « Wikidatiens » dont Envel Le Hir et Nicolas Vigneron seront 
présents pour présenter le fonctionnement de ce projet de base de 
connaissances collaborative, ouverte et multilingue.
Au programme : introduction et présentation du langage SPARQL, 
permettant de faire des requêtes sur les contenus de Wikidata. Par 
exemple pour obtenir la liste des écrivains nés à Rennes ou ceux nés à 
Brest. Les intervenants essaieront d’adapter leur présentation aux 
envies et aux besoins de chacun afin d’aider à s’approprier cet outil 
très puissant. Pensez à amener votre ordinateur pour tester par vous-même.


À noter que cet atelier va précéder un second atelier, prévu le 2 
septembre, qui lui sera dédié à la création de liens entre OSM et 
Wikidata. Participer à ce premier atelier vous permettra d'être à l'aise 
avec l'environnement Wikidata pour participer au second.


Cordialement,

Adrien.


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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Using greater than & less than values in Overpass-euro

[Donal Hunt]

Does this answer your query?

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/41854953/overpass-api-comparison-operators

I also read something about using min and max queries which might be
relevant.

D. (Mostly a newbie)

On 13 Jul 2017 08:39, "Brian Hollinshead"  wrote:

> I have a query
>
> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/qm4
>
> which searches where population equals an exact figure which works fine.
>
> I would like to be able to select a range. [population >3999 and <5000]
>
> I have tried [population<5000] and [population<=5000] to no avail.
>
> Your help would be much appreciated
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Re: [Talk-us] Best practice in Lane Editing 3

[Shawn K. Quinn]

On 07/13/2017 02:15 AM, Horea Meleg wrote:
> *According to US driving rules, are those turns allowed? Are you allowed
> to go on the link if you are coming from South?*

Probably not; even if technically not prohibited explicitly, it would
probably be cited as reckless driving or careless driving if attempted
with any non-trivial amount of other traffic on the road and observed. I
would add a turn restriction just for the sake of routing software that
would route hapless motorists on such a turn.

-- 
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[Brian Hollinshead]

I have a query

http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/qm4

which searches where population equals an exact figure which works fine.

I would like to be able to select a range. [population >3999 and <5000]

I have tried [population<5000] and [population<=5000] to no avail.

Your help would be much appreciated

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Re: [Talk-cz] Oprava start_date

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"


Já to nahraju tak jak jsem si to připravil. Potřeboval jsem jen kontrolu zda
není někde bota. Ale pokud script najdeš, klidně jej vystav na github.


@Jan Macura ... zaměňuje se vpodstatě jen  za DD ( zrcadlově ) takže k
tobě zmiňované záměně dojít nemůže.

"



neřekl bych




DD.MM. -> -MM-DD -> OK

MM.DD. -> -DD-MM -> průser ;-)

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Re: [Talk-cz] Oprava start_date

[Marián Kyral]

Hmm,
a já myslel, že jsem všechna nesprávná start_date opravil. Ale evidentně ne
:-(

Takže za mně palec nahoru.

Ad postup, když jsem to před těmi třemi lety dělal, taky jsem na to měl
nějaký skript. Možná se mi ho podaří večer najít (jestli nezapomenu).
Nicméně, posledně jsem zkoušel level0 editor a šlo to dobře. Jednoduchá
textová struktura, žádné xml, není potřeba dávat příznak změny - to si najde
sám. Akorát nemá rád dlouhotrvající dotazy. To pak skončí na timeout. Je
potřeba mu to trochu nakouskovat.

Marián


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Ahoj, včera jsem již pustil jednu opravu a pak jsem si vzpoměl že bych
vlastně měl zkonzultovat vetsi upravy s mistnimi :)


Nuž první byla obdobná ( https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/50203344
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/50203344) ), jednodušší a nepočítám
s komplikacemi než u této. Tak bych chtěl schválení.


Vytáhnul jsem si data přes OverPassTurbo ( datumy ze start_date která jsou
psána ve formatu DD.MM. správně to má být -MM-DD )

[out:xml][timeout:600];
{{geocodeArea:Czech Republic}}->.searchArea;
(
  node["start_date"~"[0-9]{1,2}\\.[0-9]{1,2}\\.[0-9]{4}"](area.searchArea);
  way["start_date"~"[0-9]{1,2}\\.[0-9]{1,2}\\.[0-9]{4}"](area.searchArea);
  relation["start_date"~"[0-9]{1,2}\\.[0-9]{1,2}\\.[0-9]{4}"](area.
searchArea);
);
(._;>;);
out meta;


Předělal
sed -E 's/([0-9]{1,2})\.([0-9]{1,2})\.([0-9]{4})/\3-\2-\1/g' startdate_dot.
osm > startdate_dot_new.osm


Uvedl změněným prvkům action="modify" pomocí skriptu
https://github.com/liotier/OSMtools/blob/master/OSMXML_mark_modified_JOSM-
style
(https://github.com/liotier/OSMtools/blob/master/OSMXML_mark_modified_JOSM-style)

OSMXML_mark_modified_JOSM-style startdate_dot.osm startdate_dot_new.osm 



Kontrola

~/osm$ grep "start_date" startdate_dot_new.osm | egrep -v "v=\"[0-9]{4}-[0-
9]{1,2}-[0-9]{1,2}"
~/osm$


A chystám se změny nahrát. Prosím o kontrolu, jestli tam není nějaká bota.
Soubory jsou ke shlednuti tu
http://leteckaposta.cz/816329941(http://leteckaposta.cz/816329941)


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