Re: [Talk-cu] PB y Ahmed presentan OSM
Hola, muy bonito el documento de la presentación. Por cierto, he visto que se han construído grandes viaductos sobre el Capitolio Nacional: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=23.135973lon=-82.359069zoom=18layers=B000FTF El otro día comentaban en otra lista que algunas personas usan Potlatch y creen que los cambios se cancelan cuando cierras el navegador :-D Voy a ver si lo arreglo durante este largo fin de semana, ahora creo que me voy a la cama... Saludos, Juan Lucas De: talk-cu-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de PB Enviado el: vie 09/10/2009 0:46 Para: OpenStreetMap Cuba Asunto: [Talk-cu] PB y Ahmed presentan OSM Queridos co-religionarios, Aquí [1] les dejo el link a la presentación que hicimos esta tarde. Cuando el estrecho de banda mejore sus estado subiré las fotos y el video. De cualquier manera quien lo quiera me lo pide y veré qué puedo hacer. Hemos esparcido la palabra ¡y nos hemos divertío de lo lindo! A ver cuándo nos invitan de nuevo. bb PB [1] http://pb.ominiverdi.org/osm.pdf ___ Talk-cu mailing list Talk-cu@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cu ___ Talk-cu mailing list Talk-cu@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cu
Re: [Talk-es] tríptico
Hola, yo hice una versión en español del tríptico alemán, en PDF con LaTeX: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/images/5/5a/Osm_flyer_spanish.pdf Usé unos paquetes especiales para trípticos de LaTeX, así que se supone se puede llevar ese PDF a la imprenta directamente. Si quieres busco los fuentes de ese archivo. Recuerda que al imprimir imágenes en papel hay que poner al menos 300 pixels por pulgada, dicho de otra manera, cada tile de OSM (256 x 256) cubrirá un cuadrito de 2 x 2 cm aprox en el papel. Saludos, Juan Lucas De: talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de Francisco R. Santos Enviado el: mié 27/05/2009 12:58 Para: Discusión en Español de OpenStreetMap Asunto: Re: [Talk-es] tríptico Hola Lo que me viene a la mente así de pronto es un flyer que hicieron los alemanes con SVG y unos renderizados de mapnik. http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/flyer-neu.jpg http://trac.openstreetmap.org/browser/misc/pr_material/german_flyer_2009_03 En el README explican cómo hicieron cada parte del flyer. Igual puedes hacer por algo similar. Quico 2009/5/27 Rodrigo Moya rodr...@gnome-db.org Hola En un pueblo al lado del mío (Funes), que tengo bastante mapeado, ha salido un concurso del ayuntamiento en el que piden un tríptico (o díptico) con un mapa del pueblo y los alrededores, con los sitios históricos. Así que, si consigo hacerlo antes del fin de semana, pensaba presentar algo con OSM, pero no sé exactamente cómo hacer ese tríptico, así que, ¿alguien puede darme alguna pista de cómo se hace? El pueblo y alrededores: http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.2877lon=-1.8305zoom=13layers=B000FTF -- Rodrigo Moya rodr...@gnome-db.org ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [OSM-talk] Fw: [ppgis] Invitation for expressions of interestfor Ordnance Survey Think Tank Session on Crowd source datacapture, geospatial mashups and its impact on NMAs - 13th July 2009 (Tuesd
On 7 May 2009, at 08:42, Mikel Maron wrote: Selection of invited experts will be made by the Ordnance Survey. Guess they won't be having people from OSM then :-) Best Steve Ordnance Survey Think Tank Session on Crowd source data capture, geospatial mashups and its impact on NMAs it will probably look like one of those two minutes' hate sessions described by Orwell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Minutes_Hate regards Juan Lucas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] scale a ShapeFile in Y-direction?
Hi: I'm curious about that shapefile that needs some stretching. Assuming its name is filename.shp, try to type this: ogrinfo -geom=NO filename.shp filename what is the output? Regards, Juan Lucas Hello Frederik, thanks for your hint. Yes, i know about projections. Actually, i reprojected the rester images of blue marble from a form of WGS84 to Mercaator with an own program. But as i've heard it, world_boundaries_m is defect. But as an overlay to represent the boundaries it would be ok. If that information was a misunderstanding and could be fixed with the right projection that would be awesome. If i use shoreline_300 instead, the projection is perfectly fine, but if you try to render it _not_filled_ with a LineSymbolizer instead of a PolygonSymbolizer, you get some disturbing plates. But the projection is fine. A ShapeFile contains the source SRS inside it, right? When rendering world_boundaries_m and shoreline_300 i used the same target SRS. But the result leads to different positions on the final map. Does that mean that world_boundaries_m is defect? Is there a way to fix it somehow? Or would scaling be possible? Best regards, Torsten. Hi, Torsten Mohr wrote: I have a ShapeFile that seems to be incorrect, scaling it in Y-direction could make it fit the background. Do you have a basic understanding of coordinate projections? If not, you'd be well advised to spend a few hours reading on the subject (start with Wikipedia, take it from there). You need to find out which projection your shapefile is in, and then set the correct one in your map file, and things are likely to work. Simply stretching the data from the shapefile is very unlikely to yield the desired results - you will probably find that the stretch factor that makes Iceland and the Equator fit will still have France out of place. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] scale a ShapeFile in Y-direction?
Hi. Your file world_boundaries_m.shp seems to be in the old-fashioned EPSG:3395 we discussed a few days ago. This should produce the shapefile you are looking for (world_boundaries_900913.shp): ogr2ogr -f ESRI Shapefile -s_srs epsg:3395 -t_srs +proj=merc +a=6378137 +b=6378137 +lat_ts=0.0 +lon_0=0.0 +x_0=0.0 +y_0=0 +k=1.0 +units=m +nadgri...@null +no_defs +over world_boundaries_900913.shp world_boundaries_m.shp regards Juan Lucas Hello, thanks for taking a look at it. The output is ~ 19000 lines, so i'll just show the top ~70 lines: Had to open data source read-only. INFO: Open of `world_boundaries_m.shp' using driver `ESRI Shapefile' successful. Layer name: world_boundaries_m Geometry: Polygon Feature Count: 3807 Extent: (-20037400.00, -19929239.11) - (20037400.00, 18375854.709643) Layer SRS WKT: PROJCS[Mercator, GEOGCS[GCS_WGS_1984, DATUM[WGS_1984, SPHEROID[WGS_1984,6378137,298.257223563]], PRIMEM[Greenwich,0], UNIT[Degree,0.017453292519943295]], PROJECTION[Mercator_1SP], PARAMETER[latitude_of_origin,0], PARAMETER[central_meridian,0], PARAMETER[scale_factor,1], PARAMETER[false_easting,0], PARAMETER[false_northing,0], UNIT[Meter,1]] CAT: Real (16.0) FIPS_CNTRY: String (80.0) CNTRY_NAME: String (80.0) OGRFeature(world_boundaries_m):0 CAT (Real) = 15 FIPS_CNTRY (String) = AY CNTRY_NAME (String) = Antarctica OGRFeature(world_boundaries_m):1 CAT (Real) = 15 FIPS_CNTRY (String) = AY CNTRY_NAME (String) = Antarctica OGRFeature(world_boundaries_m):2 CAT (Real) = 15 FIPS_CNTRY (String) = AY CNTRY_NAME (String) = Antarctica OGRFeature(world_boundaries_m):3 CAT (Real) = 15 FIPS_CNTRY (String) = AY CNTRY_NAME (String) = Antarctica OGRFeature(world_boundaries_m):4 CAT (Real) = 15 FIPS_CNTRY (String) = AY CNTRY_NAME (String) = Antarctica OGRFeature(world_boundaries_m):5 CAT (Real) = 15 FIPS_CNTRY (String) = AY CNTRY_NAME (String) = Antarctica OGRFeature(world_boundaries_m):6 CAT (Real) = 174 FIPS_CNTRY (String) = NZ CNTRY_NAME (String) = New Zealand OGRFeature(world_boundaries_m):7 CAT (Real) = 174 FIPS_CNTRY (String) = NZ CNTRY_NAME (String) = New Zealand OGRFeature(world_boundaries_m):8 CAT (Real) = 174 FIPS_CNTRY (String) = NZ CNTRY_NAME (String) = New Zealand It additionally tells me on stderr: ERROR 4: Unable to open world_boundaries_m.shp or world_boundaries_m.SHP. Thanks for any hints, Torsten. Am Montag, 11. Mai 2009 12:42:44 schrieb Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio: Hi: I'm curious about that shapefile that needs some stretching. Assuming its name is filename.shp, try to type this: ogrinfo -geom=NO filename.shp filename what is the output? Regards, Juan Lucas Hello Frederik, thanks for your hint. Yes, i know about projections. Actually, i reprojected the rester images of blue marble from a form of WGS84 to Mercaator with an own program
Re: [OSM-talk] Society of Cartographers
wow, thanks. Absolutely beautiful: http://geo.nls.uk/maps/glasgow1857/openlayers.html?zoom=19lat=55.85379lon=-4.26118layers=B00T Regards, Juan Lucas De: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de Steve Chilton Enviado el: jue 07/05/2009 18:05 Para: talk@openstreetmap.org Asunto: [OSM-talk] Society of Cartographers If your appetite for cartography has been whetted by your involvement with OSM you might like to find out what else is happening in the mapping world. Three possible things you could do: 1 - have a read of the latest Society of Cartographers Newsletter. It contains contributions from two prominent OSMers. It can be downloaded from: http://www.soc.org.uk/newslett.htm#latestNewsletter 2 - consider presenting your latest map-reated idea or project at the Society of Cartographers summer school. Call for papers and details of the event are at: http://www.soc.org.uk/southampton09/ 3 - consider attending the summer school as a delegate. There will be much of potential interest to OSMers. Chris Osborne, Keir Clarke and Ed Mac Gillavray are already confirmed speakers, as is an OpenLayers workshop. Details at link above, which will be constantly updated as details are firmed up. Cheers STEVE ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] shoreline_300, world borders _without_ rectangles
Hello, if you want to see the border of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern matching exactly the Baltic coast, I think you'll have to edit one of the two datasets yourself (cut, remove, copy, union, etc.) Anyway, how much precision do you need? In other words, which scale will the final map have? Or are you going to create some kind of web map viewer? if they differ by -for example- 500 meters it's not good enough for you? regards Juan Lucas De: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de Torsten Mohr Enviado el: jue 07/05/2009 21:59 Para: talk@openstreetmap.org Asunto: Re: [OSM-talk] shoreline_300, world borders _without_ rectangles Hello Jukka, the image that i want to create would be the blue marble in the background and the borders of the world drawn on top of that, just as an outline. That way the satellite images would be most of it, but the borders of states would be fine thin white lines. Filling them would overwrite all the satellite image background. Best regards, Torsten. Am Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2009 08:18:35 schrieb Jukka Rahkonen: Torsten Mohr tmohr at s.netic.de writes: Hello, i'm glad i got the blu marble working nw and can create a map of the whole world with the satellite images of the earth as background. It looks really great. But what would be great if i could also overlay the world / continents / islands / states borders as outline. I can't use the shoreline_300 file as it is split into several polygons and adds heaps of plates to the earth and does not look good. I have not had a look at shoreline_300 but have you tried to draw the polygons with fill but without outline? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-es] Línea de costa en la zona de Ferrol y A Coruña
Hola, de un tiempo a esta parte osmarender tiene problemas al pintar la costa en la zona de Ferrol y A Coruña. No reconoce la línea de costa como cerrada y se sale de la raya creando tiles de tierra cuando deberían tener costa. ¿Alguna idea para encontrar el error? Un saludo, Miguel == Si, es verdad. Osmarender en general tiene mala pinta. A veces me pregunto si no hace daño a OSM. Cuando el problema es en Mapnik se suele avisar a un tal Jon Burgess que es el que se ocupa de eso, pero en Osmarender no sé si lo consideran relevante. Saludos, Juan Lucas ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Cómo hacerse una calle en Madrid: Pa saje de Modesto Martínez
Iván Sánchez Ortega escribió: El Lunes, 4 de Mayo de 2009, Francisco R. Santos escribió: Mmmm, ¿deberíamos mapear esta calle?: http://www.modestomartinez.com/noticias.html ¿Porqué no? El cartel parece que existe, y se ha utilizado en varios sitios, incluido el boletín oficial de la comunidad de Madrid, pero como ha salido a la luz el modo en que se nombró la calle, igual el ayuntamiento decide quitarle el nombre... Que dilema Bueno, pues cuando se haga oficial el cambio o quite del nombre, pues se cambia o se quita de nuevo. Pero desde luego, qué pinta de friki que tiene el tío que se hizo la placa... friki - diseñador, el colmo! a mi me parece genial, hay que mapearla y mandarle el link a modesto martinez. cuando el ayuntamiento se pronuncie en contra, la quitamos... sergio ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ¿¿¿Se pronuncie en contra??? =8-O Qué cachondeo. Esperemos que lo empapele bien la policía. Juan Lucas ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [OSM-talk] gdalwarp question
Please do not mislead people. gdalwarp works fine: http://tinyurl.com/germany-blue-marble Regards Juan Lucas Hello Jukka, thanks for your hint, but to my understanding this contradicts the description of RasterImage in Mapnik and the web page that converts blue marble using gdalwarp. In the documentation for RasterImage it says that Mapnik can't (yet) reproject reaster image data, they have to match the target projection. I got that answer to another question: http://www.mail-archive.com/mapnik-us...@lists.berlios.de/msg01213.html So if in osm.xml there is: srs=+proj=merc +a=6378137 +b=6378137 +lat_ts=0.0 +lon_0=0.0 +x_0=0.0 +y_0=0 +k=1.0 +units=m +nadgri...@null +no_defs +over Then i think this should be the target projection (if i want to mix a raster image into it). The blue marble has lat / lon directly mapped to x / y coordinates. To my understanding this is similar to WGS84, to add the scaling with a world file makes sense to me. Looking at this page i see a description of projections and the use of gdalwarp that describes how to get http://egb13.net/2009/04/bending-the-earth-gdalwarp-and-the-blue-marble/ But in the end, my understanding did not leave to a correctly projected image... Best regards, Torsten. Am Sonntag, 3. Mai 2009 14:11:06 schrieb Jukka Rahkonen: Torsten Mohr tmohr at s.netic.de writes: Hello, thanks for that hint. Right, the chosen projection won't work around the poles, i don't expect that. In the call to gdalwarp i gave the source projection (EPSG:4326 or WGS84) and as target projection i gave the projection used in osm.xml. Hi, Your target projection is the so called Google projection, or epsg:900913, or nowadays officially epsg:3785. It is the projection used in OSM slippy map, but the native OSM data are in epsg:4326. Therefore you should warp the downloaded images _into_ epsg:4326, not from that. Unfortunately I cannot say what would be the correct source projection definition for your original images. An easy way to test your warped images is to download some OSM data in shapefile format and in epsg:4326 projection from Geofabrik.de, open the warped image with some GIS program like QGis or OpenJUMP together with OSM shapefile and see if they suit well together. Gdalwarp options are documented at http://gdal.org/gdalwarp.html but some further reading may be necesssary to understand what all the options mean. -Jukka Rahkonen- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] gdalwarp question
On May 2, 2009, at 8:53 AM, Torsten Mohr wrote: But cstr_4.tif is distorted, Africa is at 20% from the top, 40% from the top begins Antarctica and goes down to the bottom (100%). There are a bunch of projections that don't work near the poles. I'm not an expert, and my book on projections is home, but it's quite possible that your chosen projection cannot properly represent the poles. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson = Yes, I think that's the problem too. Try to use use gdal_translate to crop the area of interest, then do what you were doing: gdal_translate -projwin 4 58 17 45 str_4.tif germany.tif (I understand str_4.tif is the one that includes Germany) And then: gdalwarp -s_srs EPSG:4326 -t_srs +proj=merc +a=6378137 +b=6378137 +lat_ts=0.0 +lon_0=0.0 +x_0=0.0 +y_0=0 +k=1.0 +units=m +nadgri...@null +no_defs +over germany.tif germany_sm.tif regards Juan Lucas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] German Shapefile, federal states?
Hello, Yes, germany.shp is in +proj=longlat +ellps=WGS84 +datum=WGS84 +no_defs (used by GPS devices ans by the OSM database), but shoreline_300 is in the spherical mercator projection, which is the projection used by OSM to _render_ the maps because it looks nicer than WGS84 and is widely used. So you either have to reproject germany.shp to spherical mercator (see attached screenshot) or reproject shoreline_300 to WGS84. To do this, you can use FWTools (http://fwtools.maptools.org). It includes command-line utilities: ogr2ogr -s_srs epsg:4326 -t_srs +proj=merc +a=6378137 +b=6378137 +lat_ts=0.0 +lon_0=0.0 +x_0=0.0 +y_0=0 +k=1.0 +units=m +nadgri...@null +no_defs germany_sm.shp germany.shp OR ogr2ogr -s_srs +proj=merc +a=6378137 +b=6378137 +lat_ts=0.0 +lon_0=0.0 +x_0=0.0 +y_0=0 +k=1.0 +units=m +nadgri...@null +no_defs -t_srs epsg:4326 shoreline_300_wgs84.shp shoreline_300.shp (as you can see, the last two parameters are not source destination, but destination source) The EPSG code for WGS84 is EPSG:4326 The EPSG code for WGS84 is EPSG:900913 or EPSG:3785 (synonyms) Regards, Juan Lucas De: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de Torsten Mohr Enviado el: vie 01/05/2009 10:30 Para: OSM Talk Asunto: Re: [OSM-talk] German Shapefile, federal states? Hello Juan, thanks a lot for that link, it looks like this is exactly what i was searching for. Also, the hint to use a program like qgis was great, thanks to all your hints. It took me a while to find out that the scale of the data in PostGIS and in shoreline_300 are different to the scale in germany.shp. QGIS renders both with these settings: +proj=longlat +ellps=WGS84 +datum=WGS84 +no_defs But the Polygons in germany are drawn at lat / lon 0 / 0, on the equator before Africa. Do i need to change that settings to make the Polygons match? Where do you want to draw that map? I'm not sure if i understand you corectly, i want to render a huge map of Germany using the data in PostGIS. But i want to show the federal states in different colors. Best regards, Torsten. Am Donnerstag, 30. April 2009 21:04:01 schrieb Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio: Hello, Torsten. I think the 16 german federal states (lander) are available as a shapefile in lots of different places. Here is one example: http://wetnet.net/~we7u/xastir/maps/shapefile/Germany/ That is a shapefile (compressed) with 16 polygons, and you also have the population and extension of each one. You have to open it with some GIS application. Where do you want to draw that map? Regards, Juan Lucas De: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de Torsten Mohr Enviado el: jue 30/04/2009 19:20 Para: OSM Talk Asunto: Re: [OSM-talk] German Shapefile, federal states? Ouch, that's bad. i thought they'd contain some actual data, size implied that. I wonder if anybody knows a way to render the 16 German federal states (Bundesländer)? Actually that's what i want to do in the end.. Is there a way to find out what is in a Shapefile? Like that i can write filters like Filter[CNTRY_NAME] = 'Germany'/Filter in world_boundaries_m? Is there a way to find this out from a Shapefile? Thanks for any hints, Torsten. Am Mittwoch, 29. April 2009 23:06:18 schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hi, Torsten Mohr wrote: has anybody got some experience with the Shapefiles at: http://dataservice.eea.europa.eu/dataservice/metadetails.asp?id=760 All I can see are shapefiles that contain a reference grid - no actual geodata? Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk attachment: germany_sm.png___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] German Shapefile, federal states?
Sorry, I meant: The EPSG code for Spherical Mercator is EPSG:900913 or EPSG:3785 (synonyms) regards Juan Lucas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm2pgsql and proper/legacy mercator
Hi, according to the source code, the legacy option -M is using this projection:
[PROJ_MERC]= {
descr: WGS84 Mercator,
proj4text: +proj=merc +datum=WGS84 +k=1.0 +units=m +over +no_defs,
srs:3395,
option: }
Unlike EPSG:900913, that projection is not assuming that the Earth is a perfect
sphere, therefore:
- it seems to be cartographically more correct
- it probably needs far more computation
- the result probably differs from that of EPSG:900913 by a few meters
Regards
Juan Lucas
De: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de Francois Van
Der Biest
Enviado el: vie 01/05/2009 17:52
Para: talk@openstreetmap.org
Asunto: [OSM-talk] osm2pgsql and proper/legacy mercator
Hi list,
osm2pgsql --help says:
-m|--merc: Store data in proper spherical mercator (default)
-M|--oldmerc: Store data in the legacy OSM mercator format
I'm wondering what's the difference between those two srs.
Which one is epsg:900913 (aka epsg:3785
http://www.spatialreference.org/ref/epsg/3785/) ?
My experience (importing an osm dump into postgis, then
exporting to
shapefiles) would let me think that the legacy OSM mercator
format
is epsg:3785. So, what's the other one ?
Thank's,
F.
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Re: [OSM-talk] gdalwarp question
Hello, i have an image that can be wrapped around a sphere, its x / y coordinates directly map to latitude / longitude. What do you mean by that? Do you mean that when you open it with some GIS app, the status bar tells the correct (lat, lon) of the place where the mouse is? Some GIS apps reproject raster files by default without explicitly letting the user know. Use this utility and tell us the output: gdalinfo filename Is that enough information to tell the SRS of that image? Strictly, no, but if we talk about (lat, lon), the EPSG:4326 coordinate system is by far the most common, so if your coordinates are originally in (lat, lon), they are very likely to be in EPSG:4326. Background is that i'd like to transform that image so it matches the SRS used in osm.xml. Would that be WGS84? Or is it called epsg:4326? (Do they mean the same?) Yes, informally, when people say WGS84 they mean EPSG:4326. Ask Mr Google or the wikipedia for details Thanks for any hints, Torsten. Regards Juan Lucas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] German Shapefile, federal states?
Hello, Torsten. I think the 16 german federal states (lander) are available as a shapefile in lots of different places. Here is one example: http://wetnet.net/~we7u/xastir/maps/shapefile/Germany/ That is a shapefile (compressed) with 16 polygons, and you also have the population and extension of each one. You have to open it with some GIS application. Where do you want to draw that map? Regards, Juan Lucas De: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de Torsten Mohr Enviado el: jue 30/04/2009 19:20 Para: OSM Talk Asunto: Re: [OSM-talk] German Shapefile, federal states? Ouch, that's bad. i thought they'd contain some actual data, size implied that. I wonder if anybody knows a way to render the 16 German federal states (Bundesländer)? Actually that's what i want to do in the end.. Is there a way to find out what is in a Shapefile? Like that i can write filters like Filter[CNTRY_NAME] = 'Germany'/Filter in world_boundaries_m? Is there a way to find this out from a Shapefile? Thanks for any hints, Torsten. Am Mittwoch, 29. April 2009 23:06:18 schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hi, Torsten Mohr wrote: has anybody got some experience with the Shapefiles at: http://dataservice.eea.europa.eu/dataservice/metadetails.asp?id=760 All I can see are shapefiles that contain a reference grid - no actual geodata? Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wrong scale in slippy map
2009/4/24 Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio jldoming...@prodevelop.es: At the deep zoom levels (zoom=6 and higher numbers), Sweden and Finland don't look large, because you don't see other countries on the same screen. At these deep zoom levels, the difference in scale between the top and bottom of the screen is also small. They don't look large, but they do looked stretched, ie the wrong shape. 100 Pixels East West is NOT the same distance as 100 pixels North South. It also makes the scale pointless as you need one for North-South and a different for East-West. I think we ought to be able to do a projection where we turn the globe into a symmetrical regular polyhedra. In effect at zoom level zoom level 1 the world is a tetrahedron, as you go up you add more equilateral triangles. while keeping your angles the same. At each higher zoom level each triangular faces is split into 3 triangles. creating what gets closer and closer to a globe. Same way as some footballs are made up of hexagons.. Just a thought. Peter. ___ Please pay attention when you quote. I didnt write that. Regards. Juan Lucas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wrong scale in slippy map
El Viernes, 24 de Abril de 2009, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio escribió: I think we ought to be able to do a projection where we turn the globe into a symmetrical regular polyhedra. In effect at zoom level zoom level 1 the world is a tetrahedron, as you go up you add more equilateral triangles. while keeping your angles the same. At each higher zoom level each triangular faces is split into 3 triangles. creating what gets closer and closer to a globe. Same way as some footballs are made up of hexagons.. Nah, you really mean any azimuthal projection centered on the facets of a geodesic sphere. IIRC, it has been proposed already, some time ago. Unfortunately, that means a complete overhaul of the renderers, *plus* switching openlayers from one projection to another on-the-fly when the user pans out of the current projection, *plus* a lenghty discussion on whether a gnomonic or an orthographic or a stereographic or a lambert azimuthal projection is best. It'd be cool, but I don't think it's worth the hassle right now. -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es mailto:i...@sanchezortega.es === oops.. misquoting me again. I did not write that...Is this a conspiration? Un ordenador no es un televisor ni un microondas, es una herramienta compleja Sure. Especially complex for you, apparently. Regards, Juan Lucas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wrong scale in slippy map
Looking at the area where I live, http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=58.407lon=15.600zoom=18layers=B000FTF these buildings are 11 metres wide and not 22 metres as the scale indicates. The difference is explained by the latitude 58.4 degrees and cosine(60°) = 0.5. Maybe one year back, I reported exactly this bug in JOSM and it was fixed. Now I find it in the slippy map. How long has it been there? Is it an OpenStreetMap bug or a OpenLayers bug? The metre was once defined as one ten-millionth of the distance from the equator to the north pole. Each latitude degree (of which there are 90) is thus 111 km long, everywhere. At the equator, each longitude degree is also 111 km, but at the latitude of 60° (Oslo-Stockholm-Helsinki-St. Petersburg), each longitude degree is only 56 km. At each zoom level of the slippy map, the longitudes (meridians) run vertical at a constant pixel width, meaning that the scale (metres on ground to pixels on screen) changes as you pan north or south. The scale is different at the top and bottom of the screen, very much so at the low zoom numbers, but insignificantly at the higher (deeper) zoom levels. -- Lars Aronsson (l...@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se == Hello. I have changed my mind lately regarding this issue. I think there are two ways to approach this, and both are legitimate: - Strictly: every coordinate system has has pros and cons when drawing a world map. If you have a map in EPSG:4326, Greenland is awfully stretched, etc, but that's the way it is using that ref. system. If you use the British national grid for all of Europe, many countries will look ridiculous, but, whether we like it or not, those are the coordinates of those countries in that projection. That is happening in Scandinavia with Spherical Mercator: Sweden is ridiculously large, but sorry, that's the way it is using that projection, so the scale bar is right. The problem is that the projection is not good for that part of the world. - Using common sense: As you say, the top and bottom of the screen have about the same scale if you zoom in a bit, so it is possible to forget about the coordinates provided by the projection and create a locally sensible scale bar. I have seen the first option used on OSM's front page and the second option in Cloudmade's website. Regards, Juan Lucas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-es] Presentación de OSM en la fiesta Ubunt u de Cataluña
* Hola a todos, los días 8 y 9 de Mayo se realiza en Terrassa la fiesta de presentación de Ubuntu 9.04. Esta vez en lugar de una Install Party clásica de un día han organizado talleres, mesas redondas y charlas durante dos días. Les dije que si les gustaría que participáramos y hoy me han dicho que si. De las diferentes propuestas que les comenté me han dicho que una charla y un taller estarían bien. O sea, que si alguien está interesado y quiere venir, fantástico. Si además me quiere ayudar fabuloso y si alguien quiere hacer el taller o la charla en mi lugar sería ya orgásmico!!! :P:P:P https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CatalanTeam/JauntyJackalope Salud, Jaume. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es == Tot aquest enrenou per un conill amb banyes! Au va!! http://images.google.com/images?hl=enum=1sa=1q=jaunty+Jackalope+wallpaperaq=f enrenou = follón banyes = cuernos ;-P Juan Lucas ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OSM in Living Spain magazine
Por cierto, el mapa de OSM de Barcelona no está a la altura del peso demográfico/económico de la ciudad, todo hay que decirlo. Con decir que un fulano de Castellón como yo tuvo que poner OSM en la Viquipèdia Salut, Juan Lucas De: talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de Gari Araolaza Enviado el: mar 07/04/2009 15:59 Para: Discusión en Español de OpenStreetMap Asunto: Re: [Talk-es] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OSM in Living Spain magazine Estaría bien pedirles algún PDF para ver cómo queda. Supongo que no nos enviarán la revista a todos, no? Gari 2009/4/7 Jose M. Duarte jose.m.dua...@gmail.com: Forwardeo esto de la lista en ingles por si no lo habeis visto. Basicamente nos dan las gracias a la comunidad española por haber hecho un buen trabajo. Nos podemos dar todos unas palmadas en la espalda :) Jose -- Forwarded message -- From: Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net Date: 2009/4/7 Subject: [OSM-talk] OSM in Living Spain magazine To: t...@openstreetmap.org Living Spain, a quarterly magazine published by our company, has just published its new spring issue and I'm pleased to report that it includes OSM mapping for the first time. The magazine contains pull-out Instant Guides to Barcelona and Torrevieja, and each one has a city map. For these, we've used OSM maps, using the default Mapnik rendering - properly attributed, of course! Big thanks to the Spanish community for the mapping and, of course, to Steve Chilton for the cartography. The magazine will be on sale in the UK in a week or so; I'd be happy to post a couple of copies out to the Spanish community if anyone wants to give me a postal address. cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OSM in Living Spain magazine
Por cierto, que le han arrancado de cuajo las imágenes que había puesto (por la anulación de los links hacia wikicommons, etc.). Algún alma caritativa que las vuelva a colocar? :-P Juan Lucas De: Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio Enviado el: mar 07/04/2009 16:38 Para: g...@eibar.org; Discusión en Español de OpenStreetMap; Discusión en Español de OpenStreetMap Asunto: RE: [Talk-es] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OSM in Living Spain magazine Por cierto, el mapa de OSM de Barcelona no está a la altura del peso demográfico/económico de la ciudad, todo hay que decirlo. Con decir que un fulano de Castellón como yo tuvo que poner OSM en la Viquipèdia Salut, Juan Lucas De: talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de Gari Araolaza Enviado el: mar 07/04/2009 15:59 Para: Discusión en Español de OpenStreetMap Asunto: Re: [Talk-es] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OSM in Living Spain magazine Estaría bien pedirles algún PDF para ver cómo queda. Supongo que no nos enviarán la revista a todos, no? Gari 2009/4/7 Jose M. Duarte jose.m.dua...@gmail.com: Forwardeo esto de la lista en ingles por si no lo habeis visto. Basicamente nos dan las gracias a la comunidad española por haber hecho un buen trabajo. Nos podemos dar todos unas palmadas en la espalda :) Jose -- Forwarded message -- From: Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net Date: 2009/4/7 Subject: [OSM-talk] OSM in Living Spain magazine To: t...@openstreetmap.org Living Spain, a quarterly magazine published by our company, has just published its new spring issue and I'm pleased to report that it includes OSM mapping for the first time. The magazine contains pull-out Instant Guides to Barcelona and Torrevieja, and each one has a city map. For these, we've used OSM maps, using the default Mapnik rendering - properly attributed, of course! Big thanks to the Spanish community for the mapping and, of course, to Steve Chilton for the cartography. The magazine will be on sale in the UK in a week or so; I'd be happy to post a couple of copies out to the Spanish community if anyone wants to give me a postal address. cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [OSM-talk] [Announcement] talk-ps Palestine mailing list
wow, Costa Rica? Palestine? both? none? I wonder what your map looks like cheers Lucas There is now a talk-cr - Costa Rica-specific topics and discussion mailing list available. Thank you to Mikel Maron for initiating and hosting this forum. For details on how to subscribe to this and other country, language, and topic-specific OSM mailing lists, see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Mailing_lists For details about OSM activity in Palestine: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Palestine About Costa Rica: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine Mike ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-es] Plugin de cálculo de rutas para JOSM
Yo no lo he probado aún (estoy un poco enfadado con JOSM últimamente) pero me uno al entusiasmo!! :-D Saludos, Juan Lucas De: talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de sergio sevillano Enviado el: mar 31/03/2009 11:37 Para: Discusión en Español de OpenStreetMap Asunto: Re: [Talk-es] Plugin de cálculo de rutas para JOSM perdón, si funciona. es el JOSM lo que tengo que actualizar con la versión 1515 ok ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] estadísticas OSM en España actualiza das
Guau!! Qué fino! Dentro de poco veremos a la ministra de Fomento presumiendo de cuántos km de carreteras hay en OSM ;-) Juan Lucas De: talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de Miguel Blanco Enviado el: mar 31/03/2009 12:15 Para: Discusión en Español de OpenStreetMap Asunto: [Talk-es] estadísticas OSM en España actualizadas Hola a todos/as, no están todos los tipos de vías ni todos los tipos de POIs, pero ahí van: http://www.terra.es/personal4/miblma/ Saludos, ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Mañana estreno autopista
Jajaja, que guay! Jobar que motivada está la peña! Cuidado no se te caiga el GPS o se quedará clavado en el asfalto todavía caliente! Curioso lo de TeleAtlas. O sea que esas empresas no sólo usan técnicas empíricas (paseos masivos) sino que también piden cartografía a los departamentos de infraestructuras de los gobiernos... vaya, vaya. Saludos, Juan Lucas De: talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de Gari Araolaza Enviado el: lun 30/03/2009 13:20 Para: Discusión en Español de OpenStreetMap Asunto: [Talk-es] Mañana estreno autopista Holas, Algunos recordaréis el artículo de mi compañero Luistxo sobre una autopista inexistente que sale desde el año pasado en todos los datos de Teleatlas (TomTom. Googlemaps etc.) http://mapamovil.net/una-autopista-inexistente-en-el-mapa Se armó un buen lío el verano pasado ya que los GPSs enviaban a los conductores por esas carreteras y de repente se les acababa la autopista de marras. El problema fue que la construcción de la autopista se había retrasado casi un año y no se había tenido en cuenta en TeleAtlas. Pues bien, la mayor parte del tramo de autopista se abre dentro de una semana y he conseguido ser incluido con un grupo de periodistas de Goiena http://goiena.net http://goiena.net/ que van a recorrer mañana mismo los nuevos tramos, una semana antes de la inauguración. Por supuesto, iré con el GPS y trazaré la autopista antes que nadie, aunque no se puede prometer mucho porque hay varios túneles, incluso uno de más de 3 kms! Sacaré fotos también y trataremos de darle un poco de cancha al tema, todo para dar visibilidad a OSM. Saludos Gari ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [OSM-talk] California bill to limit detail on online mappingtools
That's ridiculous. The solution is obvious: if a way or point is tagged as amenity=school, etc, then the database will automatically add noise to the coordinates: lat = lat + 0.001 * random(1000) Regards, Juan Lucas On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 10:27 AM, OJ W May I suggest a new tag: landuse=blur Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-es] Calles marcadas como road
Hola, las calles de los recintos industriales/portuarios creo que se suelen poner como highway=service o highway=unclassified: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dservice Tambien hay un tag para lineas: abutters=industrial (abutters es algo así como 'lindante con', por ejemplo si pasas con el coche por una zona y ves naves industriales pero no tienes ni idea de la anchura del polígono industrial) que en principio se usa sin highway, pero me parece que eso no lo usa ni cristo. Yo pondría highway=service en esos casos, dentro de un poligono con landuse=industrial. Saludos, Juan Lucas === De: talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de Jonay Santana Enviado el: jue 12/03/2009 14:22 Para: Discusión en Español de OpenStreetMap Asunto: Re: [Talk-es] Calles marcadas como road Sí que hay, pero para zonas (igual que las playas, los parques, las zonas comerciales, etc), pero no para las calles en sí... 2009/3/11 Jonas Andradas j.andra...@gmail.com Buenas, 2009/3/11 Jonay Santana jonay.sant...@gmail.com ¿Y qué hay de las calles de las zonas industriales, o ya puestos, las que hay en el interior de los recintos portuarios? Está claro que residenciales no son, pero tampoco son (en la inmensa mayoría de los casos) carreteras... ¿no había por ahí un tag industrial o algo así? Creo recordar haberlo leído en la lista... On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Celso González ce...@mitago.net wrote: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 01:10:07PM +0100, Xavier Barnada wrote: Hola, he estado mirando y he visto que en mi ciudad hay muchas calles marcadas como road,es esto correcto? ademas he mirado esto: http://tagwatch.stoecker.eu/Spain/En/tagstats_highway_road.html y pone que se pueden marcar como road hasta saber que tipo son, si son calles se deberian marcar como residential? pero y si es una carretera que esta pasa por una zona sin habitar? Sí, tal como dices las road son un tipo temporal de carretera, una especie de aun queda trabajo por hacer. Es bastante habitual que gente que hace mapping con fotografia aerea marque dichas calles como road, ya que aunque parece una calle desde el aire puede ser cualquier otra cosa. Si puedes confirmar que son residential, perfecto. Respecto a las carreteras que atraviesan un nucleo urbano no se cambia la categoria de la via, aunque si se puede cambiar el nombre. Ascii art al ataque * -- * Tenemos una tertiary - que atraviesa un nucleo urbano * La forma correcta de mapear seria dividir | la via en tres bloques * ---|-|-- * la via en los tres bloques seria siempre highway=tertiary, no tertiary, residential, tertiary la ref no cambia en ninguno de los bloques en el bloque central el name podria cambiar a algo como name=Calle de la carretera o cualquier otro Otra pregunta las carreteras forestales, sin asfaltar como se deben marcar?unclasified? Yo los marco como tracks con tracktype=1 Saludos -- Celso González (PerroVerd) http://mitago.net http://mitago.net/ ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es -- Jonás Andradas Skype: jontux LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/andradas GPG Fingerprint: 5A90 3319 48BC
Re: [Talk-es] Calles marcadas como road
Perdón, retiro lo dicho. Juan Lucas De: talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de Rodrigo Moya Enviado el: jue 12/03/2009 20:03 Para: Discusión en Español deOpenStreetMap Asunto: Re: [Talk-es] Calles marcadas como road On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 16:17 +0100, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: Hola, las calles de los recintos industriales/portuarios creo que se suelen poner como highway=service o highway=unclassified: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dservice creía recordar que habíamos quedado que las calles de los polígonos eran residential ¿no? -- Rodrigo Moya rodr...@gnome-db.org ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [OSM-talk] Cloudmade: We are the Wikipedia of maps
According to the style rules of the Italian press, interviewers have a certain margin to summarize in a striking short sentence the words of the person who is interviewed, and put that sentence in the headline between double quotes. So if Steve Coast is one day interviewed by an Italian journalist and that interview is read by non-Italians, I'm afraid Steve's life will be at risk. Regards, Lucas another fantastic 1. Someone makes a mistake 2. ??? 3. It's Steves fault Bet you were itching to make todays Guardian mistake my fault too, eh? I can tell you Frederik that I and the rest of us at CloudMade take great pains to explain the differences between CM and OSM but it doesn't always make it through. Instead of getting angry and writing a long rant, why don't you just mail the author and cc me or something in future, I'll happily back you up that they got it wrong. On 10 Mar 2009, at 16:14, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, as an OSM community member, I'm taking offence at the following article: http://techpulse360.com/2009/03/10/startup-cloudmade-wants-to-be-the-wikipedia-of-maps/ The article says that Cloudmade relies on its OpenStreetMap project, and: This is going to be the map of the future, says founder Steve Coast of his company. We're the Wikipedia of maps. This is of course wrong; OpenStreetMap is no Cloudmade's project, and Cloudmade is not the Wikipedia of maps. Further down, the article suggests that Cloudmade money was somehow related to mapping the world: But it's also a daunting task. The company raised $3.5 million from Sunstone Capital, but, well, the world is a large place. And: Coast says the goal is to give away the mapping data for free and charge for services. Of course, there is no mapping data that Cloudmade could give away for free because they don't own any. I know that the press always write what they want (or what they think they understand) and not necessarily what you tell them. Also, to their credit, the Cloudmade web page clearly and correctly states that We source our map data from OpenStreetMap, the community mapping project which is making a free map of the world. However, this is not the first time that the OpenStreetMap project has been confused with Cloudmade by the press, and I can hardly imagine that whoever wrote that article did so without relying on Cloudmade statements that somehow pointed in that direction. I would appreciate if Cloudmade PR people, especially in the US, would take more care in explaining the situation to the press, or if that is too much to ask, then at least refrain from misrepresenting the situation. If anyone is the Wikipedia of maps then it is the OpenStreetMap project which exists independently of Cloudmade. A very tiny portion of OpenStreetMap data is acquired during Cloudmade-sponsored events for which the project is grateful, but that does not give Cloudmade the right to act as if they own the project. I know that in the early days of the web, some access providers touted their dial-in plans as if the web was theirs - buy our package and get access to all these cool sites. Maybe it is hard for the public to understand, but an effort should be made to say that Cloudmade is an access provider, not a content provider. I'll try to make it a habit to point this out in the comment boxes of the relevant web pages if I see articles like that. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Best Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-es] Ortofoto con calidad
mié, 18-02-2009 a las 19:21 +0100, Pedro-Juan Ferrer Matoses escribió: 2009/2/18 Jonay Santana jonay.sant...@gmail.com: Grafcan es una empresa pública, que recientemente fue denunciada por vender los mapas, fotografías aéreas y otro material que elaboraban (usando, por supuesto, recursos públicos), y que fue sentenciada a poner este material a disposición de quien lo solicitara, cobrando únicamente por el soporte físico y los gastos ineludibles de la grabación ¿tienes referencias a la denuncia o a la sentencia? Lo digo porque la historía me resulta muy extraña, sobretodo teniendo en cuenta la implicación de idecan con INSPIRE... Pues puedo buscar, a ver si encuentro algo... Fue un comentario que me hizo un conocido, que no tiene por qué quererme vacilar, pero naturalmente puede estar equivocado... Voy a ver si encuentro algo, y por si acaso, voy a mandarles también un mail con la pregunta directa, a ver qué me dicen. Seguiremos informando. Jonay Muy bonito el servidor WMS. La dirección desde un cliente es: http://idecan3.grafcan.es/ServicioWMS/OrtoExpress (40cm / pixel) http://idecan3.grafcan.es/ServicioWMS/Orto2000 (urbano, 16cm / pixel) Lucas ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Ortofoto con calidad
Me imagino que este WMS canario está en la misma situación que los de Catastro, PNOA, Sigpac, etc, es decir, en principio no puede usarse para calcar en OSM, puesto que los datos de OSM sí deben poderse usar con ánimo de lucro. Lucas De: talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de Jonay Santana Enviado el: jue 19/02/2009 12:52 Para: Discusi#243, n en Espa#241,ol de OpenStreetMap Asunto: Re: [Talk-es] Ortofoto con calidad Ivan, estoy seguro de que lo que me comentas es sencillísimo, pero te juro que no me he enterado de nada... :( En cuanto al tema de la foto con calidad, y dado que OSM no tiene ánimo de lucro, a lo mejor sí que hay posibilidades... Pego la respuesta de Grafcan a mi pregunta: Le informo que toda la información geográfica que produce y difunde GRAFCAN dispone de licencia de uso de dicha información le adjunto dicha licencia para su conocimiento. En cuanto al utilización de la información que no tenga animo de lucro, nuestra empresa le da autorización siempre y cuando se cite la fuente del autor, teniendo siempre en cuenta añadir en todas las fuentes: La autorización esta sujeta al uso no lucrativo de dichos elementos de difusión, a la inclusión en los distintos soportes o medios de publicación de la cesión de uso de la empresa CARTOGRÁFICA DE CANARIAS, S.A. ( GRAFCAN ), a la inclusión del anagrama y logotipo de la empresa GRAFCAN, , y/o dirección http// www.grafcan.com http://www.grafcan.com/ ., http://www.idecan.grafcan.es/idecan/) y/o la inclusión en los créditos de la publicación la titularidad de GRAFCAN. Muy atentamente. Dpto. de Atención al Cliente.- Lo cierto es que no me muevo muy bien en el campo de copyrights, licencias, y demás, así que esto ya lo dejo en sus manos... Ya me dirán si me doy un salto por allí con un DVD y les digo que me graben las fotos (o no)... Jonay winmail.dat___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik updating more frequently?
Grant Slater wrote: David Lynch wrote: Is the mapnik render now updating more frequently than once a week? I'm seeing buildings that I added a couple hours ago appearing on there before even ti...@home/osmarender gets to them Ssh don't tell anyone :-) Congrads to Jon Burgess and team. Consider it beta for now. Most style changes are still only imported once a week. Regards Grant Took a while for anyone to comment hey? This is a big improvement which I think will help massively with getting new mappers hooked on the project. We should sing it from the rooftops ...but I understand Jon Burgess and others are monitoring it to see if the tile server keeps up with it OK. Hope the change sticks! Harry Wood Lol, yes, we thought it was the traditional Wednesday process struggling for days and days all the way into the weekend!! Thanks Jon co. Lucas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-es] Mapnik actualizado en 1 hora
2009/2/10 Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es: El Martes, 10 de Febrero de 2009, Gari Araolaza escribió: Ahora, han preparado un sistema para hacer diffs en la base de datos de forma que Mapnik está continuamente renderizando lo nuevo que se edita. No, vamos a ver. Los diffs cada día, cada hora y cada minuto se llevan haciendo desde hace meses (visitad http://planet.openstreetmap.org/daily, /hourly y /minute). Lo que se ha hecho es automatizar el proceso de importación de los diffs en la BD PGSQL del servidor de Mapnik, detectar qué tiles han cambiado durante el último diff, y marcarlas para re-renderizar. Para ser mas exacto todavia, creo que se actualizan cada hora o dos horas. En http://matt.sandbox.cloudmade.com/ teneis un mapnik actualizado al minuto, que hace ya algun tiempo que va, pero en un servidor privado de menos capacidad. Chau Pero se actualizan cada hora o cada dos horas? en que quedamos? que exactitud es esa? Hay que joderse! Lucas ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [OSM-talk] 26 languages
Next in Wikipedia size without an OpenStreetMap article are Catalan... And here it is!! http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap Regards, Lucas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-es] Camino de Santiago (era: Etiqueta pa ra vías pecuarias)
Sí, creo que Jacobo, Jaime y Santiago proceden todos del mismo nombre hebreo 'Iacob', que era el nombre verdadero del apóstol (o sea, Jesús decía Iacob para llamarlo) De: talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de Jonas Andradas Enviado el: sáb 10/01/2009 14:23 Para: Discusi#243, n en Espa#241,ol de OpenStreetMap Asunto: Re: [Talk-es]Camino de Santiago (era: Etiqueta para vías pecuarias) ¿Santiago es St. James? Yo pensaba que eso sería más bien San Jaime. Nunca te acostarás sin saber nada nuevo :) 2009/1/10 Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es El Sábado, 10 de Enero de 2009, Gari Araolaza escribió: ¿Cómo manejamos esto? Lo subo directamente a trazas en OSM? Qué directrices hay para etiquetar esto? Si se pudiera, yo lo subiría directamente a OSM. Para etiquetarlo, en principio, sería todo un highway=footway para no complicarse (después se corregirán las partes que son una calle o una carretera). La parte importante del etiquetado es meter una relación (como se ha hecho con las líneas de metro de Madrid, por ejemplo). La relación sería algo así como: type=route route=foot name=Camino de Santiago Y todos los ways pertenecientes a la ruta se deberían poner como role=forward, porque el camino de santiago es dirigido. Ahora bien, haría falta definir en España las redes de rutas... me explico. En inglaterra, tienen algo llamado la NCN (National Cycle Network), la RCN (regional) y la LCN (local), con sus respectivas NWN, RWN y LWN para rutas a pie. Véase http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Relation%3Aroute#Route_networks_in_use En España (y Francia, y Bélgica, por lo que leo en Wikipedia) tenemos los senderos de Gran Recorrido (GR), los de Pequeño Recorrido (PR) y unas cuantas rutas gordas interesantes, véase: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senderos_Europeos_de_Gran_Recorrido http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Recorrido http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pequeño_Recorrido http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peque%C3%B1o_Recorrido (ó) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_long-distance_paths http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GR_footpath El meter un bicycle=ncn en una relación de ruta para indicar que la ruta pertenece a la NCN ya se está haciendo en inglaterra (véase la renderización del cycle map). Para las rutas de GR, de PR y europeas se podría usar foot=GR, foot=PR y foot=Euro. Lo que no sé es si todas las rutas pertenecientes al camino de santiago (que es bastante ramificado, véase http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stjacquescompostelle1.png ). ¿¿Es necesaria la creación de una red de caminos foot=StJames?? Un saludo, -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es Proudly running Debian Linux with 2.6.26-1-amd64 kernel, KDE 3.5.10, and PHP 5.2.6-0.1+b1 generating this signature. Uptime: 13:45:33 up 8 days, 20:27, 3 users, load average: 0.51, 0.53, 0.39 ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es -- Jonás Andradas Skype: jontux LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/andradas GPG Fingerprint: 5A90 3319 48BC E0DC 17D9 130B B5E2 9AFD 7649 30D5 Keyservers: wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net http://wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net/ | pgp.rediris.es http://pgp.rediris.es/ ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] La Rioja
Si mantenemos el dircurso 'paranoico', tengo mis dudas sobre la licencia de los tracks calcados de esas imágenes de los ervidores WMS. Ahí dice: cualquier otro uso necesita autorización. Creo que calcar entra de lleno en esos 'otros usos'. Lucas De: talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de L. Javier Modino Martinez Enviado el: vie 09/01/2009 14:21 Para: Lista OpenStreetMap Castellano Asunto: [Talk-es] La Rioja Hola a todos, os aviso que soy nuevo en esto, he creado un apartado en el wiki para la comunidad de La Rioja, en la que vivo. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/La_Rioja He añadido las direcciones de servidores WMS para JOSM e instrucciones para generar trackpoints usando las ortofotos 2006 del gobierno de La Rioja. En principio, y según la informacion legal que proporciona el Gobierno de La Rioja en la web y segun correos al departamento correspondiente no hay ninguna restricción para generar archivos GPX a partir de la informacion que proporciona la comunidad con lo cual puede servir para dar un empujon a los mapas, sin necesidad siquiera de tener un receptor GPS. Las fotos que hay están calibradas y eso si, hay que tener en cuenta que son de 2006 en lo que a modificaciones de trazados y crecimiento de ciudades y pueblos se refiere. Si alguien conoce algun software gratuito que soporte archivos ecw que lo haga saber. De todas formas parece que este año hay programado un vuelo nuevo y se podran contar con fotografias aereas actualizadas. Saludos a todos. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] La Rioja
Esas ECW coinciden exactamente con el servidor de Catastro (es decir, son muy buenas) lo cual quiere decir que para transformarlas a EPSG:4326 hará falta la rejilla del IGN antes de cargarlas en oziexplorer, ¿no? Lucas De: talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de L. Javier Modino Martinez Enviado el: vie 09/01/2009 14:21 Para: Lista OpenStreetMap Castellano Asunto: [Talk-es] La Rioja Hola a todos, os aviso que soy nuevo en esto, he creado un apartado en el wiki para la comunidad de La Rioja, en la que vivo. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/La_Rioja He añadido las direcciones de servidores WMS para JOSM e instrucciones para generar trackpoints usando las ortofotos 2006 del gobierno de La Rioja. En principio, y según la informacion legal que proporciona el Gobierno de La Rioja en la web y segun correos al departamento correspondiente no hay ninguna restricción para generar archivos GPX a partir de la informacion que proporciona la comunidad con lo cual puede servir para dar un empujon a los mapas, sin necesidad siquiera de tener un receptor GPS. Las fotos que hay están calibradas y eso si, hay que tener en cuenta que son de 2006 en lo que a modificaciones de trazados y crecimiento de ciudades y pueblos se refiere. Si alguien conoce algun software gratuito que soporte archivos ecw que lo haga saber. De todas formas parece que este año hay programado un vuelo nuevo y se podran contar con fotografias aereas actualizadas. Saludos a todos. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] La Rioja
Hola, gvSIG también abre ECW y funciona en Linux: http://www.gvsig.gva.es/index.php?id=1729 y también abre ECW en PDA/smartphones con Windows Mobile: ftp://downloads.gvsig.org/pub/gvSIG-mobile/devel/piloto-0_2/piloto-0_2_0/265/ Lucas De: talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de Carlos Dávila Enviado el: vie 09/01/2009 16:13 Para: Discusi#243; n en Espa#241;ol de OpenStreetMap Asunto: Re: [Talk-es] La Rioja L. Javier Modino Martinez escribi: Si alguien conoce algun software gratuito que soporte archivos ecw que lo haga saber. Yo las utilizo habitualmente con QGIS [1] en linux (Debian), aunque hay que hacer un pequeo parche [2] a la biblioteca GDAL, que es la que realmente las maneja. En windows se pueden ver con gvSIG y con FGIS, ambos gratuitos, aunque la versin gratuida de fgis puede ser dificil de encontrar (se la puedo mandar a quien la quiera). Tambin est previsto que en breve QGIS maneje ecw en windows, pero de momento no lo hace. Saludos Carlos [1] http://qgis.org http://qgis.org/ y http://qgis.osgeo.org http://qgis.osgeo.org/ [2] http://wiki.gfoss.it/index.php/Come_abilitare_il_supporto_ai_file_ECW_in_GDAL_e_visualizzarli_in_GRASS_e_QGIS#Creare_un_plugin_GDAL_per_il_supporto_ECW_.28DRAFT.29 (est en italiano, pero se entiende lo suficiente). -- Por favor, no me enve documentos con extensiones .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, .mdb, mdbx Instale OpenOffice desde http://es.openoffice.org/programa/index.html OpenOffice es libre: se puede copiar, modificar y redistribuir libremente. OpenOffice es gratis. El uso de OpenOffice es totalmente legal. OpenOffice funciona mejor que otros paquetes de oficina. OpenOffice est en continuo desarrollo y no tendr que pagar por las nuevas versiones. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
[OSM-talk] US borders, watch out!
Hi list, If someone is mapping the US national borders... forget it! Within a few weeks, the US will look like this: http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/P1-AO116_RUSPRO_NS_20081228191715.gif Regards, Lucas http://www.prodevelop.es/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-es] Traducción de JOSM en Launchpad
Increíble lo del 'bus trap'. Un mar de dudas me invade. A qué mente retorcida se le habrá ocurrido? Y si se queda un coche atrapado la calle queda bloqueada hasta que lo sacan? Habrá cocodrilos dentro? Si pasas a 120 la inercia te salva de quedar atrapado? etc. Feliz año 2009 Lucas De: talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de sergio sevillano Enviado el: mié 31/12/2008 12:27 Para: Discusi#243; n en Espa#241;ol de OpenStreetMap Asunto: Re: [Talk-es] Traducción de JOSM en Launchpad Emilio Gómez Fdez. escribió: Bus Trap = es un pequeño foso donde quedan retenidos los automóviles (mejor dicho sus ruedas) pero no los autobuses. Yo no los he visto en España y no encuentro referencia alguna en español. me pasa igual ¿Trampa de autobús? Me parece bien. Siempre estaremos a tiempo para cambiarlo si sabemos como se llama en español. es que trampa de autobús quizás parece el concepto contrario.. es mas bien una trampa *para* coches (un foso con un ancho que solo deja pasar autobuses que tienen la suficiente distancia entre las ruedas) pero a falta de algo mejor... me queda el mas básico: key = ? plugin = plugin? complemento? o extensión? Por si sirve de algo y por usar los mismos términos, yo en QGIS lo traduzco como complemento. Así lo he traducido yo en un par de cadenas, como complemento. yo también lo he traducido como complemento porque me parecía que ya había algunos así pero luego me he encontrado con las otras formas En las páginas de la wiki traduje: tag=etiqueta; key=clave de acuerdo clave. aunque creo que el problema viene de concepto desde el inglés cual es la diferencia entre clave, etiqueta y valor (key, tag, value) por ejemplo: en highway=primary es clave=etiqueta ó etiqueta=valor etiqueta y clave son sinónimos? etiqueta y valor son sinónimos? o son tres cosas distintas? ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Traducción de JOSM en Launchpad
Esoy de acuerdo. Yo usaría plugin o extensión mucho antes que complemento. Creo que el 'bus trap' no es algo muy conocido en ningún país y sí se podría traducir por 'trampa para coches' o 'foso anti-turismos', etc. Lucas De: talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de andrzej zaborowski Enviado el: mié 31/12/2008 13:19 Para: Discusi#243, n en Espa#241,ol de OpenStreetMap Asunto: Re: [Talk-es] Traducción de JOSM en Launchpad 2008/12/31 Emilio Gmez Fdez. ego...@terra.es: Bus Trap = es un pequeo foso donde quedan retenidos los automviles (mejor dicho sus ruedas) pero no los autobuses. Yo no los he visto en Espaa y no encuentro referencia alguna en espaol. me pasa igual Trampa de autobs? No he hecho muchas traducciones al espaol pero siempre soy de la opinion que es mejor dejar en ingles un par de frases que inventar nuevas en caso de que evidentemente no exista una traduccion comun. Asi por lo menos le dejas a la persona que usa josm localizado la posibilidad de averiguar que es bus trap en wikipedia o a lo mejor ya lo conoce en ingles. Tambien palabras como plugin y tag creo que ya se han hecho internacionales, pero esas por lo menos hay una probabilidad de que en dos programs diferentes esten traducidas de la misma manera y el usuario no se pierda por completo. Saludos ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [OSM-talk] Where have all the contributors gone?
Yes, there are lots of people in the first world mapping even the most irrelevant buildings in their villages, while in the third world there are large cities with good Yahoo imagery and nobody mapping them. Sad, isn't it? South Africa does not seem to need much help, by the way. Lucas De: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de brendan barrett Enviado el: mar 30/12/2008 18:03 Para: talk@openstreetmap.org Asunto: [OSM-talk] Where have all the contributors gone? I've only just joined the OSM Talk Mailing list and wanted to respond to this message... so i've pasted some of it below the jump. 80n... if you're bored in the evenings, how about thinking far away from home? South Africa has good aerial photography for the major cities (Yahoo Imagery)... wanna give us a hand down here? : P 80n wrote: In my case I've run out of stuff to map. Can someone build some more roads please? ;) To clarify, my immediate area is complete in every direction as far as I can go before meeting another area that is already mapped. And by complete I mean all everything down to post boxes but not as far as house numbers. As far as Surrey is concerned all towns and large villages are fairly well mapped. I don't think we can declare it finished yet but it's not far off. I don't know how other counties are doing. Are any others near to completion? 80n ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-es] Etiqueta para vías pecuarias
No creo que el camino de Santiago sea un LineString sino más bien una serie de puntos ordenados (y según creo, señalizados). Yo al menos vi una estaca moderna y tal que tenía pinta de ser parte del camino de Santiago 'oficial'. Lucas De: talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de Pedro-Juan Ferrer Matoses Enviado el: mar 30/12/2008 14:37 Para: Discusi#243, n en Espa#241,ol de OpenStreetMap Asunto: Re: [Talk-es] Etiqueta para vías pecuarias 2008/12/29 Ivn Snchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es: Y digo yo, no podramos hacer antes el Camino de Santiago, que est ms claro por dnde pasa? Hombre, yo me he hecho los 1000km de Roncesvalles a Santiago y esa afirmacin ES MUY VALIENTE ;) -- Pedro-Juan Ferrer Matoses Ingeniero en Geodesia y Cartografa Valencia (Espaa) ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM: Import audio with version newer than 1150
Hello, I suspect some plugins have recently been compiled and published for a JOSM version which exists only in the SVN. In other words, someone should refresh the current 'josm-latest.jar'. The alternative is getting the source code from the svn and compiling it yourself. This happened with the wmsplugin. regards, Lucas De: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de Alberto Nogaro Enviado el: vie 26/12/2008 16:36 Para: talk@openstreetmap.org Asunto: [OSM-talk] JOSM: Import audio with version newer than 1150 Hello, After I updated JOSM to latest version (v 1178) I started to have problem with audio. When I import audio and start playing, the play head goes to the end of the track. If I pause playing and try to drag the play head to another place on the track and synchronize, I always get the message 'Audio synchronized at point 0' (no matter which point I choose on the track). As soon as I resume playing, the play head jumps to the end of the track. I tried all JOSM versions available on download page, and the last working version is v 1150. Versions from 1171 and up show this problem. This happens on Windows. Any ideas? Best regards, Alberto ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-es] felices fiestas
a todos. cuidadín con el gps y las copitas. que salen unas trazas de mierda. sergio Si bebes, no mapees. Gobierno de España. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
[Talk-es] El Escorial
Gracias por tu email, Jorge. Personalmente no soy partidario de responder a los mensajes soeces con largas disquisiciones. Como suele decirse, ese chico 'se retrata a sí mismo'. Saludos Lucas Martín, no participo mucho en esta lista porque francamente no dispongo de demasiado tiempo para OSM. Aún así la sigo desde hace dos años y conozco a varias de las personas que aquí participan. He de decir que me ha sorprendido bastante el tono de tu mensaje y no me puedo resistir a contestar por alusiones tanto como trabajador de Prodevelop como miembro del proyecto gvSIG. También diré que hasta donde he seguido la conversación no le encuentro mucho sentido a tu reacción a un simple comentario de Juan Lucas respecto a la oferta de trabajo, salvo que se deba a temas externos. 2008/12/23 Martin (OPENGeoMap) martin en opengeomap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es : venao+venao=venao al cuadrado. A ver mandril que nosotros llevemos 30 años trabajando en el escorial es directamente proporcional a que la nasa lleve 40 años en el escorial: http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2004/02/13/ciencia/1076701101.html Nuestro modelo de negocios y de hacer las cosas es diferente a vosotros y diferenciamos horas de trabajo, la amistad y ocio claramente. Vosotros sois una colsultora carnicera que ha recibido el software libre por via anal y lo exporta por via oral. Sois los becarios profesionales de IVER que realizo el 99% de gvsig y una subconsultora facilona y resultona. Lo vuestro chicos es como si el gobierno de los EEUU contrata a dedo a una consultora incompetente para hace un programa y le llama (red-hat u suse) y luego esa consultora ficticia se dedica a voicotear y amenazar a las demas empresas de software libre. De las descalificaciones gratuitas no diré nada, salvo que tengo un tío carnicero que nada tiene que ver con el desarrollo de proyectos de software. De la segunda frase te diré que en Prodevelop hay becarios, casi todos se acaban quedando a trabajar con nosotros porque realmente es un sito en el da gusto trabajar, si no fuera así no la defendería públicamente (no voy a recibir ni un bote de olivas por este correo). Cuando tengas pruebas de que Prodevelop boicotea algo vete a un juzgado, no hagas demagogia de garrafón. Luego hablaré más de esto. A vosotros os falta talento e inteligencia para crear nada más que las formulitas que encontrais en google. Por eso os cagais y haceis intertar ver a todo el mundo que programas como KOSMO creados por métodos de software libre real y gente que se lo curra de verdad como ha quedado claro en la diputacion de alava este año. Para vosotros sólo gvsig es software libre porque sois unos cagaos e incompetentes. http://www.opengis.es/ Perdona, en el caso concreto de Juan Lucas, es uno de los desarrolladores con más talento que he conocido nunca. Por otro lado Prodevelop cuenta con unos cuantos ingenieros en geodesia y cartografía, que no se van a google a buscar formulitas sino a bonitos libros como todo hijo de vecino (¿o te sabes la fórmula de vicenty de memoria?). De kosmo no diré nada, pero de gvSIG sí. gvSIG es la respuesta de una administración pública a la falta de un SIG de escritorio competente en 2003/2004. Por entonces ni OpenJUMP ni GRASS cumplían con los requisitos impuestos por los usuarios de la generalitat por razones diversas que no vienen al caso. Así que se decidió resolver SU problema iniciando un desarrollo. Que se podía haber hecho otra cosa, pues claro, pero es fácil criticar a toro pasado. Pero gvSIG es sólo una pieza de un proyecto de migración mucho más amplio[1]. En la conselleria han migrado muchas de sus aplicaciones a PHP, PostgreSQL, OpenLDAP, etc etc Y por supuesto en el área de SIG tienen MapServer, GeoServer, Deegree y GeoNetwork.
Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM, wmsplugin issue
Ok, It works fine by compiling the source code from the svn. Thanks --- On Thu, 12/25/08, Simon Ward si...@bleah.co.uk wrote: From: Simon Ward si...@bleah.co.uk Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM, wmsplugin issue To: talk@openstreetmap.org Date: Thursday, December 25, 2008, 6:00 PM On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 02:30:29PM -0800, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: Hello I have installed the latest JOSM (v 1178) and I cannot install the wmsplugin (v 12588). When I restart JOSM I get the message : 'plugin requires JOSM update: wmsplugin'. This happens both on Windows Vista and Ubuntu 8.04 Any ideas? A recent update bumped the JOSM version for several plugins to 1180. I’d try josm-latest.jar for now. Simon -- A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works.—John Gall ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-es] El Escorial
Felices fiestas !! Lucas De: talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de Martin (OPENGeoMap) Enviado el: mar 23/12/2008 18:55 Para: Discusi#243; n en Espa#241;ol de OpenStreetMap Asunto: Re: [Talk-es] El Escorial A ver mandril que nosotros llevemos 30 años trabajando en el escorial es directamente proporcional a que la nasa lleve 40 años en el escorial: http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2004/02/13/ciencia/1076701101.html Nuestro modelo de negocios y de hacer las cosas es diferente a vosotros y diferenciamos horas de trabajo, la amistad y ocio claramente. Vosotros sois una colsultora carnicera que ha recibido el software libre por via anal y lo exporta por via oral. Sois los becarios profesionales de IVER que realizo el 99% de gvsig y una subconsultora facilona y resultona. Lo vuestro chicos es como si el gobierno de los EEUU contrata a dedo a una consultora incompetente para hace un programa y le llama (red-hat u suse) y luego esa consultora ficticia se dedica a voicotear y amenazar a las demas empresas de software libre. A vosotros os falta talento e inteligencia para crear nada más que las formulitas que encontrais en google. Por eso os cagais y haceis intertar ver a todo el mundo que programas como KOSMO creados por métodos de software libre real y gente que se lo curra de verdad como ha quedado claro en la diputacion de alava este año. Para vosotros sólo gvsig es software libre porque sois unos cagaos e incompetentes. http://www.opengis.es/ Bueno y de udig ya ni hablemos del boicot que liais a todas las empresas que prentenden usarlo en vez de gvsig: http://udig.refractions.net/ EL SOFTWARE LIBRE ES TRABAJO Y PASION QUE aparece por el esfuerzo personal del mercado o personal como linux, mono, gnome, kde, etc.. y donde hay trabajo para todo el mundo porque aunque haya arcgis, geomedia, grasss o udig aqui hay trabajo para todos aunque a vosotros os irrite. Hace poco veniais a madrid a verdernos visual basic 6+ oracle spatial y os ibais sin cobrar como con azflotas que se ha reprogramado completamente por vuestra incompetencia y enamoramiento de oracle. Ahora os habeis leido unos libritos de java+xml pero nada chicos, nada de nada. Te repito y multirepito en openstreetmap están de los mejores hackers del mundo lo que pasa que no entran en horas de trabajo ni con los correos de empresa como vosotros. Los mejores desarrolladores de gis del futuro estan en las lista de openstreetmap!!!. PD: Corregir el modulo de elipsoides de gvsig anda que teneis ED50 como elipsoide y en europa eso si que no convence del todo... Felices fiestas a todos los maperos y galegos!!!. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Place Names in Mapnik
As a datapoint, Google renders SF and SJ the same way until you zoom out far enough, and then SJ disappears. FWIW, -Beej Strange. In the catholic hierarchy, San Jose (Jesus' father) is clearly above San Francisco (merely an italian saint) Lucas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-es] El Escorial
No te enfades hombre! Es que me ha hecho gracia la expresión. Bueno, lo que pasa es que me muero de envidia :-P ¿En Madrid hay dificultades para encontrar gente que se dedique a eso? Lucas ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] oferta de empleo
buscamos un chico raro de cojones Qué expresión tan técnica! Esa empresa debe ser la hostia... De: talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de Pablo Cascon Katchadourian Enviado el: mié 17/12/2008 10:23 Para: Discusi#243; n en Espa#241;ol de OpenStreetMap Asunto: Re: [Talk-es] oferta de empleo Debo ser un raro de cojones :), pena que tenga una tesis por terminar, sino me iba pa allá. Pablo joé, martín, si les pagas tú, a ver quien se anima a hacerlo por la cara. que voy a pagar yo si soy un matao picacodigo :-[ . pena no saber C, si no ya tenia resuelto lo del chino y con posibilidades de curro. chino no se, pero aqui se me ocurrio que sería el mejor sitio para buscar gente porque buscan un chico raro de cojones que sepa programar hilos,socketcs, etc y además le gusten las geociencias. Así que openstreemap creo que es el mejor sitio que mezcla todo (friki+programador+geoboy=openstreemap) =-O . sergio ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] State of the Map 2009: Amsterdam
Amsterdam! La capital de los vuelos baratos! Ya está media europa buscando ofertas. Van a tener que buscar un sitio grande para que quepan todos. Igual se me va la olla y me presento allí yo también. Lucas De: talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de Iván Sánchez Ortega Enviado el: lun 15/12/2008 23:55 Para: talk-es@openstreetmap.org Asunto: [Talk-es] State of the Map 2009: Amsterdam Hola a todos, Acaban de anunciar en la lista en inglés dónde se va a celebrar el State of the Map 2009. Al final no ha salido para adelante la propuesta de celebrarlo en las Islas Canarias... así que, señores, vayan reservando vuelos para Amsterdam, Holanda. Las fechas y más información, en el wiki de OSM, como de costumbre. Un saludo, -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es Hell is empty and all the devils are here. -- Wm. Shakespeare, The Tempest ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] cálculo de ruta óptima
Lo que tú quieres es hacer tres clics en el ordenador y que te dibuje el recorrido, y luego vas y coges el coche, no? Pero hombre !! donde queda la parte romántica de OSM?? Hay que ir y mapear lo que nadie ha mapeado!! Viva la espiral perruna!! (increíble, no he cogido un gps en mi p*** vida y aquí estoy dando clases) Lucas De: talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de sergio sevillano Enviado el: mar 16/12/2008 20:05 Para: Discusi#243; n en Espa#241;ol de OpenStreetMap Asunto: Re: [Talk-es] cálculo de ruta óptima Oscar Fonts escribió: Mi grano de arena: No perdamos de vista que el grafo completo no lo tenemos. Se trata de *grabar* todas las calles de una zona. Entonces, la prioridad es no dejarnos calles *nuevas* sin recorrer. Y, en la medida de lo posible (segunda prioridad), no dar más vueltas de las necesarias. Salud, Oscar. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es bueno hasta ahora he sacado varias conclusiones: · para aplicar cualquier teoría de grafos y optimizar necesitamos saber la topología, solo posible si pintamos un previo desde yahoo! · TSP vale exclusivamente para un grafo solo de oneways. · Probablemente no sepamos las oneway con lo que tiene que ser un grafo no dirigido y esto vale solo para bici o pie pero no para coche. · se necesita un sofware que solucione problemas CPP (cartero chino) y no solo TSP. sin el software y a ciegas solo vale el método de la espiral, que relata el cuento del perro. y con el software, para hacerlo bien, quizás se necesita demasiada información previa. ... si alguien encuentra el software que lo comparta, así podemos ir un poco mas allá sergio ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Materiales presentación proyecto OSM
Hola, Aquí hay un tríptico de OSM en español que hice con LaTeX traduciendo el tríptico inglés, que a su vez era una traducción del original alemán: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/images/5/5a/Osm_flyer_spanish.pdf http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/images/5/5a/Osm_flyer_spanish.pdf No tengo a mano los fuentes (archivo TEX e imágenes). Si te interesa los busco. Aquí está el material inglés/alemán: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/misc/pr_material/ http://svn.openstreetmap.org/misc/pr_material/ Desconozco si algo más o mejor. Saludos, Juan Lucas De: talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de Oscar Fonts Enviado el: vie 12/12/2008 14:59 Para: Discusi#243, n en Espa#241,ol de OpenStreetMap Asunto: [Talk-es] Materiales presentación proyecto OSM OSMeros, Ando con la idea de convencer a algunos ayuntamientos pequeños para que 'liberen' sus datos municipales, principalmente (pero no únicamente) para su incorporación a OSM. El tema sería argumentar cómo eso puede resultarles beneficioso. Creo recordar que alguien se había currado unos trípticos de presentación en español que resultarían muy útiles como punto de partida, pero no logro encontrarlos. ¿Me podrías indicar dónde conseguir materiales de 'márketing OSM'? Por cierto, bonito post para tiempos de crisis en [1]. Gracias, Oscar. [1] http://geospatial.blogs.com/geospatial/2008/12/contribution-of-spatial-information-to-the-national-economy.html ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] cálculo de ruta óptima
Ufff, primero tendrías que pasar por cada una de ellas para cercionarte de que la topología de tu cartografía coincide con la realidad (es decir, que no haya calles cortadas, direcciones prohibidas, etc)... lo veo muy chungo. Lucas De: talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de sergio sevillano Enviado el: vie 12/12/2008 18:28 Para: talk es Asunto: [Talk-es] cálculo de ruta óptima Hay algo, a parte de la materia gris y un lápiz, claro Que calcule el camino óptimo para recorrer todas y cada una de las calles de una zona pasando el mínimo numero de veces por ellas. lo digo por grabar trazas de toda una zona ahorrando el máximo de gasolina. no sería un plugin fantástico?. saludos sergio ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] cálculo de ruta óptima
Pues a lo mejor lo mejor es que dejes el coche y hagas lo que dice ese libro. Si la zona es urbana puede que acabes antes así. saludos Juan Lucas De: talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de Oscar Fonts Enviado el: vie 12/12/2008 23:25 Para: Discusi#243, n en Espa#241,ol de OpenStreetMap Asunto: Re: [Talk-es] cálculo de ruta óptima Ah, sí, aqui [1], entre las pp. 107 y 108. No sé si es muy óptimo pero curioso sí lo es. El libro, al menos ;) [1] http://www2.esliceu.com/web.divertits/divertits5.web/Haddon,%20Mark%20-%20El%20curioso%20incidente%20del%20perro%20a%20medianoche.doc El 12 de diciembre de 2008 20:56, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio jldoming...@prodevelop.es escribió: Ufff, primero tendrías que pasar por cada una de ellas para cercionarte de que la topología de tu cartografía coincide con la realidad (es decir, que no haya calles cortadas, direcciones prohibidas, etc)... lo veo muy chungo. Lucas De: talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de sergio sevillano Enviado el: vie 12/12/2008 18:28 Para: talk es Asunto: [Talk-es] cálculo de ruta óptima Hay algo, a parte de la materia gris y un lápiz, claro Que calcule el camino óptimo para recorrer todas y cada una de las calles de una zona pasando el mínimo numero de veces por ellas. lo digo por grabar trazas de toda una zona ahorrando el máximo de gasolina. no sería un plugin fantástico?. saludos sergio ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] topografía notarial (lindes)
Aquí es donde se ve la ventaja de usar la proyección esférica de mercator. Puesto que en esa proyección todo es más grande que en la realidad, las riñas por las lindes tienden a desaparecer. Lo que tienes que hacer es mapear un poquito la zona en disputa y después te imprimes un png y le añades tal cual la barra de escala que define la proyección. Eso sí, ten a mano una escopeta por si a alguien se le ocurre coger la cinta métrica y agacharse para comprobar las distancias... De: talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org en nombre de sergio sevillano Enviado el: jue 11/12/2008 21:22 Para: Discusi#243; n en Espa#241;ol de OpenStreetMap Asunto: Re: [Talk-es] topografía notarial (lindes) Pedro-Juan Ferrer Matoses escribió: y como sería la practica civilizada?, Buff, generalmente cada parte se presenta con la medición de su topógrafo y si el juez determina que ninguna es válida encarga una él mismo que es la que vale. civilizada me refería sin juez... bueno creo que voy a volver a ver a los de muchachada que algo decían de esto http://muchachadanui.rtve.es/videos/al-fresco-17.html ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] errores en Oporto
Eso es una 'trap street'. Así, si en algún mapa aparece esa calle de londres a Portugal, podremos afirmar sin temor a equivocarnos que han usado los datos de OSM :-D Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Pedro-Juan Ferrer Matoses Enviado el: jue 27/11/2008 13:02 Para: Discusi#243, n en Espa#241,ol de OpenStreetMap Asunto: Re: [Talk-es] errores en Oporto Tiene pinta de ser la típica línea que te sale cuando usas el mismo track para dos zonas muy alejadas... lo curioso es que tiene nombre Strutton Groun Broadway y te lleva hasta Londres... ... me dice Eloi que es un ambicioso proyecto portugués para mejorar las comunicaciones con UK... -- Pedro-Juan Ferrer Matoses Ingeniero en Geodesia y Cartografía Valencia (España) ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Diputación de Gipuzkoa
Hola, Qué curioso, en ese pueblo (Zumaia) las fotos de Yahoo son mejores que las de Google, pero no tan buenas como las de ese visor. La de 1954 será el famoso vuelo americano? Muy guay lo de a vista de pajaro. Una curiosidad por si alguien lo sabe: los tiles a vista de pájaro están georreferenciados? Es decir, si yo me bajo un tile de OSM, se puede saber las coordenadas exactas de los bordes, pero pasa lo mismo con esos de a vista de pájaro. A primera vista, las plantas de los edificios parecen aplastadas (es decir, podría ser EPSG:4326). Suponiendo además que alguna de las vistas esté orientada al norte Saludos, Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Gari Araolaza Enviado el: lun 17/11/2008 16:03 Para: Discusi#243, n en Espa#241,ol de OpenStreetMap Asunto: Re: [Talk-es] Diputación de Gipuzkoa Yo diría que Sí, aunque en una capa ofrece GoogleMaps: script type=text/javascript src=http://www.google.com/jsapi?key=ABQIhyelVVxCj74STefXT6jh_hRdTub-tWOtkqTWDNX27lz9PxEW3BQJadhGCt3IKeUbgMN7fuBtlNqQOg;/script script type=text/javascript src=http://api.maps.yahoo.com/ajaxymap?v=3.0appid=euzuro-openlayers;/script script src=http://b5m.gipuzkoa.net/api/1.0/es/library/openlayers/OpenLayers.js?r1300; type=text/javascript/script Gari 2008/11/17 Martin (OpenGeoMap) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gari Araolaza escribió: Hola, Tratando con mala fe de daros envidia os adjunto unos enlaces del servicio de visor que está lanzando en estos momentos la Diputación de Gipuzkoa, basado en tiles con OpenLayers: Ortofoto más reciente: http://tinyurl.com/6mf6yp Ortofoto del año 1954: http://tinyurl.com/63x8n3 Fondo de mapa actual: http://tinyurl.com/6ev5jx Para rematar, sugiero que pinchéis en Vista de pájaro. Sí, las imágenes las encargó la Diputación pero salieron primero en Microsoft. Pronto sacarán información de APIs y creo que van a permitir su uso en abierto, para integrar en cualquier proyecto con OpenLayers. No conozco las condiciones detalladas. Por cierto, que los responsables del SIG siguen deseosos de colaborar con OSM, pero es difícil plantear un tema de una dirección (Danos los datos y dejanos en paz) y sigo buscando alguna solución colaborativa. Si a alguien se le ocurre algo, le estaremos muy agradecidos. Gari Estas seguro que eso es openlayers??. A mi me suena a qe son las APIs de yahoo y google. Un saludo. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [OSM-talk] FW: [OpenStreetMap] #1327: Rendering non-existentdata
In Borges' story, the Aleph is a point in space that contains all other points. Anyone who gazes into it can see everything in the universe from every angle simultaneously, without distortion, overlapping or confusion. The story continues the theme of infinity found in several of Borges's other works, such as The Book of Sand. (Wikipedia, The Aleph) cheers, Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Dave Stubbs Enviado el: jue 13/11/2008 11:40 Para: Steve Chilton CC: talk@openstreetmap.org Asunto: Re: [OSM-talk] FW: [OpenStreetMap] #1327: Rendering non-existentdata On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Steve Chilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trac #1327 below assigned to me but I can't resolve it. It is a minor nuisance of something rendering at origin: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=0.59lon=-0.16zoom=18 Shows as station on mapnik, car park on cycle, station on nonames, nothing on osma Editors show nothing there. Data layer says it is the API. Any thoughts. Just ignore it? It's because the data isn't actually /there/ -- it's somewhere else. When things go wrong it's not unusual for the projection code etc to end up sticking stuff at 0,0. The API doesn't return it though. For example, the station is node 32009797, located at -90 latitude... the south pole. There's also a BP petrol station at the north pole, a helpful place=continent for Antartica, a helpful place for the North Pole, and a number of parking nodes inserted by osm2pgsql from parking areas that it obviously doesn't like. So it's partially some bad data, and partially some odd behaviour on the part of osm2pgsql/postgis/mapnik. I'll have a go at correcting some of the data. Dave ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted: Osm2pgsql.exe developer
Hello, I'm trying it on Windows XP with access to a Postgis database and I get this output: === C:\downloads\osm2pgsql\osm2pgsqlosm2pgsql --database geo --latlong --username postgres --password postgres --host noruega --port 5432 --verbose ./planet.osm osm2pgsql SVN version 0.55-20081112 $Rev: 10464 $ Password: Using projection SRS 4326 (Latlong) Setting up table: planet_osm_point Setting up table: planet_osm_line Setting up table: planet_osm_polygon Setting up table: planet_osm_roads Mid: Ram, scale=1000 Reading in file: postgres error while opening file postgres C:\downloads\osm2pgsql\osm2pgsql === Why does it ask for a password again? cheers, Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Martijn van Oosterhout Enviado el: jue 13/11/2008 16:03 Para: Rahkonen Jukka CC: talk@openstreetmap.org Asunto: Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted: Osm2pgsql.exe developer On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Rahkonen Jukka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Conclusion: Jon's osm2pgsql.exe works, but something in the system is perhaps too sensible for OSM data errors. If error is something Windows related could be verified if somebody who has osm2pgsql on a Linux box could have a try with Finnish data from Geofabrik (http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe/finland.osm.bz2 http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe/finland.osm.bz2 )? It takes about five minutes to run. Just tried it here and it works fine (Linux). Mist be something windows specific. Maybe someone put in an asserts build or something? Have a nice day, -- Martijn van Oosterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://svana.org/kleptog/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted: Osm2pgsql.exe developer
Sorry, I had not read the help. It works fine now. Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio Enviado el: jue 13/11/2008 17:08 Para: Martijn van Oosterhout; Rahkonen Jukka CC: talk@openstreetmap.org Asunto: Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted: Osm2pgsql.exe developer Hello, I'm trying it on Windows XP with access to a Postgis database and I get this output: === C:\downloads\osm2pgsql\osm2pgsqlosm2pgsql --database geo --latlong --username postgres --password postgres --host noruega --port 5432 --verbose ./planet.osm osm2pgsql SVN version 0.55-20081112 $Rev: 10464 $ Password: Using projection SRS 4326 (Latlong) Setting up table: planet_osm_point Setting up table: planet_osm_line Setting up table: planet_osm_polygon Setting up table: planet_osm_roads Mid: Ram, scale=1000 Reading in file: postgres error while opening file postgres C:\downloads\osm2pgsql\osm2pgsql === Why does it ask for a password again? cheers, Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Martijn van Oosterhout Enviado el: jue 13/11/2008 16:03 Para: Rahkonen Jukka CC: talk@openstreetmap.org Asunto: Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted: Osm2pgsql.exe developer On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Rahkonen Jukka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Conclusion: Jon's osm2pgsql.exe works, but something in the system is perhaps too sensible for OSM data errors. If error is something Windows related could be verified if somebody who has osm2pgsql on a Linux box could have a try with Finnish data from Geofabrik (http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe/finland.osm.bz2 http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe/finland.osm.bz2 )? It takes about five minutes to run. Just tried it here and it works fine (Linux). Mist be something windows specific. Maybe someone put in an asserts build or something? Have a nice day, -- Martijn van Oosterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://svana.org/kleptog/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tenerife flooded?
Iván Sánchez Ortega schrieb: El Thursday 06 November 2008 09:59:13 Karl Guggisberg escribió: Hi, I today realized that Tenerife http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.291lon=-16.557zoom=10layers=B000FTF is (at least partially flooded). I also noticed that yesterday, but I don't know what changes may have triggered that. I'll try to look into it if time allows. I'm looking at it right now. -- Dirk-Lüder Deelkar Kreie Bremen - 53.0952°N 8.8652°E At 11.32 am (London and Tenerife time), the coast looks ok from JOSM. Is it necessarily a problem with the database? this happens from time to time and if I understood it well, it's a problem with the shapefiles Mapnik uses to render the coast, no? cheers, Lucas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] data plucked from who-knows-where?
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:12 PM, elvin ibbotson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, Richard thinks we should take him (just a guess, I suspect there are more mappers of this gender) outside and shoot him, while Etienne thinks we should give him a cigar. Me, I'm all for compromise: give him a cigar and shoot him :-) For health reasons I wouldn't encourage anyone to smoke a cigar. So shoot him before he lights it. 80n I agree with Etienne. Assuming that zone was blank, I think that user has done a great job. The day will come when we will get rid of all these gps talibans Lucas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] I've added some amenity values to MapFeatures based on tag usage
Very interesting. Thank you, Richard. Doctor's sounds a bit common to me. Surgery is far better... Cheers, Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Richard Fairhurst Enviado el: vie 31/10/2008 10:20 Para: OSM-Talk Asunto: Re: [OSM-talk] I've added some amenity values to MapFeatures based on tag usage Mark Williams wrote: The apostrophe is not correct anyway. It denotes a missed letter, in this word-position it would be 'doctor is', as opposed to the non-apostrophe version meaning 'belong to the the doctor' or plural doctors. Heehee, don't get me started. doctor's is the appropriate usage to denote possession (belonging to the doctor). And it does denote a missed letter... just a long while ago. The Old English genitive of *doctor would have been doctores, with something similar carried through into Middle English, and that e is what the apostrophe is replacing. cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] I've added some amenity values to MapFeatures based on tag usage
De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de elvin ibbotson Having said that, I tend to go along with the school of thought that we would be as well of without any apostrophes so amenity=doctors seems fine. elvin ibbotson school of thought !!! wow !!! why don't we just call it illiteracy? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Many roads missing
I didn't mention it before because it happened only once and for a very short time, but I saw a similar problem in the city where I live (Valencia, Spain) a few weeks ago. It seems to be a problem with Osmarender's renderer :-D If Nicholas has seen a second case (at least to my knowledge), I pressume this issue is happening in many other places. cheers, Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Nicholas Vetrovec Enviado el: mar 28/10/2008 10:03 Para: talk@openstreetmap.org Asunto: [OSM-talk] Many roads missing What would cause these roads not to render? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.9455lon=-87.7344zoom=13layers=0B00FTF ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Unable to delete way in Potlatch
Hi. I can't see it from JOSM (08:00 pm London time). I don't think it's in the database. cheers, Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Barnett, Phillip Enviado el: dom 26/10/2008 19:55 Para: talk@openstreetmap.org Asunto: [OSM-talk] Unable to delete way in Potlatch I seem to have found a zombie way - every time I delete it in Potlatch it reappears 30 secs later. I've done this four or five times now. Any ideas? Way number 8184385, which is a previously unwayed segment called Duckett Road underlying a properly wayed road of the same name, at http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.579649lon=-0.101266zoom=18layers=B000FTF PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW.ITN.CO.UK http://www.itn.co.uk/ P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Map Features, maxspeed and maplint
yay, you're a real mapper. Those five seconds of happiness create an emotional link between the newcomer and OSM, which I think is a great triumph for the latter. cheers, Lucas = Hi, Chris Hill wrote: [listens for the sound of the voting request email to arrive - hears nothing] Voting is optional. We could do with a lot less if you ask me. If more people would just go ahead and tag something... I have the impression that many newcomers seem to view this as some kind of trophy: (a) find obscure thing for which there is no map feature yet, (b) write proposal, (c) get it accepted, (d) yay, you're a real mapper. - You are a real mapper if you map a hundered occurrences of your obscure thing and it is found to be useful. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] map display www.openstreetmap.org
Hi, I think the word 'usable' is being used in a strange way. When someone says 'adding the coordinates makes the map less usable' they mean 'Many people don't know what that funny number means and when people see something they don't understand, they feel unconfortable, so they are unlikely to visit this website again'. I myself dont have a clear opinion on whether the coordinates should be there or not. Perhaps an intermediate decision: the coordinates would appear if the mouse keeps still for 2 seconds. Apart from this, I'd like to congratulate the person who has taken the time to transform Spherical Mercator coordinates to longitude and latitude (bottom right corner in http://www.informationfreeway.org). I think that person should be asked to redesign the scale bar in http://www.openstreetmap.org) And a question: nobody showed the difference between the Cape Town map on OSM and on Google Maps in the FOSS4G conference? cheers Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de elvin ibbotson Enviado el: mar 07/10/2008 9:28 Para: Steve Coast CC: Talk Openstreetmap Asunto: Re: [OSM-talk] map display www.openstreetmap.org From: SteveC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2 October 2008 22:51:14 BDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] map display www.openstreetmap.org http://www.openstreetmap.org/ On 1 Oct 2008, at 11:01, Ulf Mehlig wrote: Hello Frederik, thanks for your answer. The coordinate display at www.informationfreeway.org is what I was looking for. Wouldn't it be possible to integrate this function into the main OpenStreetMap site? I think this would definitely improve the attractiveness of the map display (even more, if degree-minute-second based coordinates would appear, too -- for many people, the decimal coordinates are not what they're used to). Just demonstrably not true. Most people don't know what co-ordinates are or care that they don't know. It would just clutter the map and make us look less usable. Best Steve, It looks like fakeSteveC or someone is pretending to be you and posting elitist, patronising, condescending rubbish in an apparent attempt to make you look foolish. I look forward to it being demonstrated that 'most people don't know what coordinates are'. elvin ibbotson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr
Seeing other websites use OSM's data or tiles is not noticeable any more. Steve, please drop that irritating inferiority complex. OSM is a great thing. Really. Regards, Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de SteveC Enviado el: lun 11/08/2008 23:39 Para: OSM Talk Asunto: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr http://www.flickr.com/map?fLat=39.912fLon=116.3783zl=4order_by=interestingness Best Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Actually using OpenStreetMap and the usabilityof the current maps
Hello, Inge. The maps shown at http://www.openstreetmap.org http://www.openstreetmap.org/ cannot be taken seriously. They have mistakes (religious symbols out of place), absurd rendering criteria (large pint glasses) and traces of mathematical mediocrity (watch the scale bar in any Scandinavian city : it's simply wrong). It's sad to see those things are not corrected, because it would take a little effort. But somehow, nobody cares. So those guys are right : if you want a sensible map right now, you need to setup your own renderer. Cheers, Lucas This is a mail that I have been wanting to send for some time, but wanted to think a little more about the subject before I actually did. The topic is how the maps of OpenStreetMap are actually used by ordinary users. I know that the data of OSM is supposed to be used in new exciting ways like the cycle maps, but the majority of the users are just going to use what the programmers have made available to them. So the question then becomes, is the current renderings good? For which purposes? Before we can discuss how good the maps are, we have to describe the intended use cases. I will start with my own here, and hope that you will fill in your own ways of using maps in general and OSM in particular. I recently bought a cheap navigator, but before that I often used a commercial Swedish map services to navigate to places when I went there for my work. I'd print out the map on paper on a low zoom level, showing where I would go on large roads. Then I'd print out maps using higher and higher zoom levels closer and closer to my goal so that I can see which intermediate and smaller roads that I'd have to take to reach my goal. So, would OSM work for that usecase? No, I don't think so. Here is why: * Names! There are far too few names on the map, especially on low zoom levels. It's difficult to get a feeling for where you are and orient yourself on the map if you cannot find names on the map. The commercial maps show lots and lots of names, and that is a good thing. We should make names appear on the maps earlier. * Distinctions between roads. In opposition to the case for names, there are too many roads on the large scale maps. Here is what the current map looks like around my home city: http://www.openstreetmap.com/?lat=58.33lon=15.408zoom=10layers=0B0FTF There is too little distinction between the motorway, the few primary highways and the secondary. I don't think the tertiary highways should even be on that map. Once they are all mapped they will provide a messy background making the important roads even more difficult to see. * Marking important roads. In the map above, you can also see that there is no marking of even the motorway (E4) or primary roads (in this case national roads 34 and 50). This is like names for cities, towns and villages: it makes it more difficult to follow where you are on the map. So, what are other use cases for OSM? Are the current OSM renderings good for those use cases? Do we need more different renderings for different use cases? I think that OSM has reached a state of maturity where we need to start discussing how the default renderings are used in real life. -Inge Juan Lucas Domínguez Rubio Prodevelop SL, Valencia (España) Tlf.: 96.351.06.12 -- Fax: 96.351.09.68 http://www.prodevelop.es http://www.prodevelop.es/ De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Inge Wallin Enviado el: lun 28/07/2008 16:59 Para: talk@openstreetmap.org Asunto: Re: [OSM-talk]Actually using OpenStreetMap and the usabilityof the current maps On Monday 28 July 2008 16:24:01 Jukka Rahkonen wrote: Tilesets are for sure great for serving maps effectively for big audience. However, we have already seen that predefined layouts will never make everybody happy. Perhaps one day old-fashioned map servers which are rendering maps on demand will have more place again. A public WMS server delivering OSM data through together with a user contributed library of SLD files for styling would be a nice thing to see. Unfortunately it would most probably be overloaded and slow :( For what it's worth... In the next version of Marble[1], we plan on supporting what we call 'vector tiles'. This means giving all the points, vectors and polygons of a certain square as one dataset. This dataset will then be rendered on the fly by Marble. We hope to achieve at least two advantages: * The vector tiles will hopefully represent less data than the pixel tiles. * We will be able to create dramatically different renderings from the same data, thus removing the limitation of the pre-rendered tiles. Watch out for more about this in 6 months or so. -Inge [1] http://edu.kde.org/marble/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM - MS Access
Perhaps OSM -- CSV, then open it with Ms Excel as a spreadsheet then import from Ms Access ? http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/export/osm2csv/ Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de GS Enviado el: vie 18/07/2008 14:40 Para: talk@openstreetmap.org Asunto: [OSM-talk] OSM - MS Access Hi, could someone point out how to convert OSM-XML to MS Access? I tried the import assistant and it doesn't give an error while importing but then all records are empty... Any idea? Any conversion program? Tnx Gary68 __ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail. Dem pfiffigeren Posteingang. http://de.overview.mail.yahoo.com http://de.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM - MS Access
You're right, you can connect directly to a text (csv) database too. Lucas De: Robert (Jamie) Munro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: vie 18/07/2008 16:34 Para: Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio; Talk Openstreetmap Asunto: Re: [OSM-talk] OSM - MS Access -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: | Perhaps OSM -- CSV, then open it with Ms Excel as a spreadsheet then | import from Ms Access ? | | http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/export/osm2csv/ Why use Excel? Access has perfectly good CSV import built in. I don't know what osm2csv does. It may be better to adapt osm2pgsql or osmosis to talk to access instead of postgres or mysql. I would expect that if you wanted to import the whole planet into Access, it would struggle, which is why linking to tables stored in MySQL or Postgres, as others have suggested, would probably be a better idea. What are you hoping to achieve? Jamie -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkiAqfYACgkQz+aYVHdncI3XbQCeOTNDf0WF1sBpZ6yFmmku2r10 ouwAoMyRdNN3YpiZ+87xT/S+irJdqne2 =4/nB -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] poster things
Thank you copetersen for that nice gallery with captions ;) Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Nick Black Enviado el: jue 17/07/2008 8:20 Para: SteveC CC: OSM Talk Asunto: Re: [OSM-talk] poster things http://www.flickr.com/photos/copetersen/2661105419/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/routebuddy/2671110136/ They were very nice. Who made them? On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 6:57 PM, SteveC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anyone have any photos with those poster stand things that were at SOTM that looked like they were for conference booths? there was one to the right of the projector screen the whole time Best Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net http://www.blacksworld.net/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Dear Fake SteveC
I always felt sympathy for him. he didn't find a better thing to get obsessed with? Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Nic Roets Enviado el: mié 16/07/2008 19:58 Para: Frederik Ramm; Talk Openstreetmap Asunto: Re: [OSM-talk] Dear Fake SteveC I must admit I'm also a ROTFWL at fake SteveCtard. You can always start a you own blog and call it Fake Steve C(hilton / lark / alcott) On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Fake SteveC, liked your work a lot. Not surprised that you're throwing in the towel, happened to every blog I started until now as well. But if you really must go, then do post your blog password on the Wiki for someone else to take up the mantle. Come on, you're an *institution*! Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Great SOTM08 so thinking ahead ...
Gran Canaria!! Sure. Hopefully its coastline will be fixed by then. It would be a bit ironic that the SOTM conference took place in a beautiful island which according to OSM's main website is... under the water ;) cheers, Lucas Great SOTM08 so thinking ahead ... http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=27.987lon=-15.521zoom=10layers=B00FTF Gran Canaria. The GNOME and KDE free desktop conferences are jointly being held there Friday, July, 3rd until Saturday, July 11th 2009. http://dot.kde.org/1215794861/ So I think it would be great if SOTM could be there, say, Sat 11th-Sun 12th. There is still plenty to map there at the moment though it'll probably be finished by then, especially if there are many German tourists this summer ;) Daniel http://www.prodevelop.es/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Great SOTM08 so thinking ahead ...
Looks even better from here: http://www.grancanariainfo.co.uk/images/gran_canaria.jpg Lucas De: 80n [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: mar 15/07/2008 8:42 Para: Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio CC: talk@openstreetmap.org Asunto: Re: [OSM-talk] Great SOTM08 so thinking ahead ... The coastline looks ok from here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=27.987lon=-15.521zoom=10layers=0B0FTF On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:36 AM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gran Canaria!! Sure. Hopefully its coastline will be fixed by then. It would be a bit ironic that the SOTM conference took place in a beautiful island which according to OSM's main website is... under the water ;) cheers, Lucas Great SOTM08 so thinking ahead ... http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=27.987lon=-15.521zoom=10layers=B00FTF Gran Canaria. The GNOME and KDE free desktop conferences are jointly being held there Friday, July, 3rd until Saturday, July 11th 2009. http://dot.kde.org/1215794861/ So I think it would be great if SOTM could be there, say, Sat 11th-Sun 12th. There is still plenty to map there at the moment though it'll probably be finished by then, especially if there are many German tourists this summer ;) Daniel http://www.prodevelop.es/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Pubs on mapnik layer - can we remove them?
lol, I agree with your colleagues: those pint glasses are unacceptably bad taste (btw, mosques and synagogues are still rendered with a Christian cross in Mapnik.) Regards, Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Tom Chance Enviado el: vie 11/07/2008 13:47 Para: talk@openstreetmap.org Asunto: [OSM-talk] Pubs on mapnik layer - can we remove them? Hello, I've been promoting OSM in the charity I work for (www.bioregional.com), especially now the export facility makes it trivial. We'd like to use OSM maps in our publications, but several of my colleagues are reluctant because there are pubs all over the maps! Would it be possible to remove them from the default mapnik layer altogether, or to produce Yet Another Layer that is more professional looking? We don't really want to get into running our own Osmarender / mapnik set-up, I'm sure lots of other businesses NGOs would like to use the export function. I know we all love our pubs but it does hamper the usefulness of OSM in one of those areas where it should beat the competition hands down - legal copies of nice, detailed maps. Kind regards, Tom ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Pubs on mapnik layer - can we remove them?
Yes, I'll send them and email myself. And in the meantimeTom: you can force the OSM guys to remove those awful pint glasses if you prove that that icon is copyrighted ;-) (check the Ordnance Survey website.) cheers Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Richard Fairhurst Enviado el: vie 11/07/2008 14:25 Para: OSM Openstreetmap Asunto: Re: [OSM-talk] Pubs on mapnik layer - can we remove them? Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: lol, I agree with your colleagues: those pint glasses are unacceptably bad taste Someone should tell the Ordnance Survey - they have them all over their Explorer maps... cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] remove friends
Or else, you can make the reality match the wiki: be his friend, send him your phone number, invite him to the cinema, etc. Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Frederik Ramm Enviado el: vie 04/07/2008 23:49 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: OSM Asunto: Re: [OSM-talk] remove friends Hi, How can I remove friends fom http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/xyz ? I accidently clicked me one friend who is't. Simply move him to enemies ;-) Jokes aside, just click on his name in your friends list, and then there will be a link remove as friend just where there was the add as friend before. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Front page
I confirm that openstreetmap.org is losing hits in favor of informationfreeway.org due to that left banner ;-) Cheers, Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de [EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: vie 13/06/2008 17:12 Para: OSM Openstreetmap Asunto: Re: [OSM-talk] Front page Would it be possible to make the whole of the left 'banner' collapsable, so that it would compress to a thin bar on the left of the screen? This is what google maps does Would this have a negative effect with Potlatch getting confused about screen size? Cheers, Simon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands
According to Mapnik, Scotland and Wales have declared independence, and Northern Ireland is part of the Republic of Ireland. Did I miss something? Lucas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands
OSM's (official?) motto is your own map of the world. I guess I didn't quite understand it until today. Thanks for putting me wise ;-) Cheers, Lucas De: Tom Chance [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: jue 29/05/2008 12:16 Para: talk@openstreetmap.org CC: Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio; Steve Chilton Asunto: Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands France and Germany share the same currency, Iceland has no army, Australia and England share the same head of state, Scotland has its own Parliament with certain devolved powers that are different to Wales' elected Assembly. Then there's a difference between Britain, the British Isles, the United Kingdom and the Commonwealth. Let's not get carried away! Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are countries with national borders, so those should be shown the same as any other national border. Tom On Thursday 29 May 2008 11:12:32 Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: Scotland and England share the same currency, army, head of state and parliament. Sweden and Norway do not share those things. Nobody thinks that difference should be visible in a map? Cheers, Lucas De: Steve Chilton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: jue 29/05/2008 11:20 Para: Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio; talk@openstreetmap.org Asunto: RE: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands Scotland and Wales are countries. Don't think the border between N Ireland and Rep of Ireland has been digitised yet. Cheers STEVE Steve Chilton, Learning Support Fellow Learning and Technical Support Unit Manager School of Health and Social Sciences Middlesex University phone/fax: 020 8411 5355 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mdx.ac.uk/schools/hssc/staff/profiles/technical/chiltons.asp Chair of the Society of Cartographers: http://www.soc.org.uk/ SoC conference 2008: http://www.abdn.ac.uk/cartographers08/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio Sent: 29 May 2008 07:57 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands According to Mapnik, Scotland and Wales have declared independence, and Northern Ireland is part of the Republic of Ireland. Did I miss something? Lucas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands
Scotland and England share the same currency, army, head of state and parliament. Sweden and Norway do not share those things. Nobody thinks that difference should be visible in a map? Cheers, Lucas De: Steve Chilton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: jue 29/05/2008 11:20 Para: Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio; talk@openstreetmap.org Asunto: RE: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands Scotland and Wales are countries. Don't think the border between N Ireland and Rep of Ireland has been digitised yet. Cheers STEVE Steve Chilton, Learning Support Fellow Learning and Technical Support Unit Manager School of Health and Social Sciences Middlesex University phone/fax: 020 8411 5355 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mdx.ac.uk/schools/hssc/staff/profiles/technical/chiltons.asp Chair of the Society of Cartographers: http://www.soc.org.uk/ SoC conference 2008: http://www.abdn.ac.uk/cartographers08/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio Sent: 29 May 2008 07:57 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands According to Mapnik, Scotland and Wales have declared independence, and Northern Ireland is part of the Republic of Ireland. Did I miss something? Lucas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[Talk-es] Motorways y trunks en España
En cuanto a motorways y trunks, tenemos bastantes más que Francia e Italia.. sobre todo teniendo en cuenta que ellos tienes un 40 ó 50 % más de población... ¿Seguro que estamos etiquetando bien? :-P Lucas ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [OSM-talk] GPS as artist's tool
We have wonderful pilots in Spain, but it has to be a joke, because there cannot be so many different destinations available to the north of Scandinavia. Lucas http://www.prodevelop.es/ De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Jochen Topf Enviado el: vie 23/05/2008 12:51 Para: Steve Chilton CC: talk@openstreetmap.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: [OSM-talk] GPS as artist's tool On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 10:09:37AM +0100, Steve Chilton wrote: Trivial posting prior to long weekend: http://biggestdrawingintheworld.com/ Click on the text to see results/explanation [from All Points Blog] Hm. Somehow I doubt that he got DHL to fly his package in squiggly lines from Spain over the North Atlantic all the way to the Polar Sea and Russia... Jochen -- Jochen Topf [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-es] Fwd: Colegios en Madrid
El programa gvSIG tiene integrada la malla creada por el IGN para reproyectar correctamente (con transformación) 23030 - 4326...En la web misma del IGN también está el servicio, pero no sé hasta qué punto está automatizado para listas de coordenadas. Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Iván Sánchez Ortega Enviado el: mié 21/05/2008 15:42 Para: talk-es@openstreetmap.org Asunto: Re: [Talk-es] Fwd: Colegios en Madrid El Miércoles, 21 de Mayo de 2008, Miguel Blanco escribió: [...] También una guardería está desplaza más o menos en la misma dirección y distancia... ... ¿quizás no sean buenas las coordenadas de origen? No, lo que pasa es que la he cagado en algún sitio al hacer la reproyección. Voy a borrarlo todo, y a ver qué me ha pasado... -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED] Un ordenador no es un televisor ni un microondas, es una herramienta compleja. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenPlantMap
There's something suspicious about that bbc video. Those people look like bad actors. I have the impression that they are simply trying to call some attention, just to remind us (or remind you) that the National Trust exists. In my case, it has worked. I had never heard about such institution and now I have visited their website and read a couple paragraphs. Nice website, btw. Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Peter Miller Enviado el: vie 16/05/2008 13:21 Para: talk@openstreetmap.org Asunto: [OSM-talk] OpenPlantMap Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 10:22:40 +0100 From: Shaun McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OpenPlantMap To: elvin ibbotson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This data is a little bit on the specialised side for osm. I agree. I think we need to adopt a Wikipedia concept of 'notability'. For example... A wood is notable, a large established solitary tree in a park might be notable, but a nettle is not. Is a rare plant notable? I would suggest it is not notable in OSM itself. Possibly we will end up with specialist versions of OSM for different purposes, for example for OpenPlantMap to accommodate details of plants. Wikipedia set up Wikia.com to hold these other datasets. These other DBs should possibly share a base layer of OSM data (roads, buildings etc) so they can build specialist stuff on top of that and not folk the core data. People would then be able to dip into OSM for core data and supplement it with data from other projects. Peter I would say that it would be better to setup a separate database and site specifically for this purpose based on the current osm software and tools. Then if they want to map roads they deal with that from the osm data side. When it comes to map renders they merge the rendered maps with the help of transparency or icons/data on rendering. Shaun On 16 May 2008, at 10:04, elvin ibbotson wrote: Anyone involved with the National Trust? Apparently they are mapping every plant in their gardens all over Britain. Do they know they just need OSM and a few new tags (plant=nettle for example). http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7395915.stm elvin ibbotson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-es] abutters y landuse
Hola, pues tal como yo lo entiendo es esto: Imagínate que vas de viaje por una carretera que no conoces con tu GPS y al pasar cierto cruce, empiezas a atravesar una zona industrial que es desconocida para ti y te apuntas en la libreta: al salir a la N-XXX, empieza zona industrial y dura 2 kilómetros. Después cuando vas a editar con JOSM por ejemplo, tú no sabes cuál es la anchura de esa zona industrial, solo sabes que esa carretera atraviesa zona industrial o es el límite de zona industrial, así que no puedes trazar un polígono en el que poner landuse=industrial, sino que pondrás abutters=industrial en ese tramo de la carretera, es decir, abutters tiene el sentido de atraviesa una zona de tipo... o bien colinda con una zona de tipo... Saludos, Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Pablo Gómez Enviado el: mar 13/05/2008 17:05 Para: Talk-es@openstreetmap.org Asunto: [Talk-es] abutters y landuse Hola a todos! pregunta fácil (para quien lo sepa): cuándo usar abutters y cuando landuse? saludos! Rummidge ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] abutters y landuse
El ejemplo de landuse=forest también está hecho igual, y un bosque no suele ocupar una manzana. Esos ejemplitos los han hecho en serie sin pensar mucho. Yo creo que muchos landuse como por ejemplo industrial, residential, commercial, retail y forest están pensados para ser usados en zonas amplias que no tienen un límite preciso, sirve más bien para describir un ambiente y no habría que ir con muchos miramientos para decidir su frontera exacta. Lo de los bares o restaurantes en zona industrial, pues depende del caso... Si es un restaurante grande que ocupa su propia manzana... pues yo lo dejaría fuera del landuse=industrial. Si está encajado entre dos naves, pues quizá no. Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Nacho Blanco Enviado el: mar 13/05/2008 17:55 Para: Discusi#243, n en Espa#241,ol de OpenStreetMap Asunto: Re: [Talk-es] abutters y landuse Hummm... entonces, ¿aplicaríais landuse=industrial a un polígono que recoja toda el área industrial de un pueblo/ciudad, a pesar de que no sólo haya talleres, fábricas y almacenes, como dice en [1], sino oficinas, restaurantes, etc.? Además, por el dibujo de la misma página parece que se aplicara a edificios o manzanas. [1]: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Key:landuse 2008/5/13 Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hola, pues tal como yo lo entiendo es esto: Imagínate que vas de viaje por una carretera que no conoces con tu GPS y al pasar cierto cruce, empiezas a atravesar una zona industrial que es desconocida para ti y te apuntas en la libreta: al salir a la N-XXX, empieza zona industrial y dura 2 kilómetros. Después cuando vas a editar con JOSM por ejemplo, tú no sabes cuál es la anchura de esa zona industrial, solo sabes que esa carretera atraviesa zona industrial o es el límite de zona industrial, así que no puedes trazar un polígono en el que poner landuse=industrial, sino que pondrás abutters=industrial en ese tramo de la carretera, es decir, abutters tiene el sentido de atraviesa una zona de tipo... o bien colinda con una zona de tipo... Saludos, Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Pablo Gómez Enviado el: mar 13/05/2008 17:05 Para: Talk-es@openstreetmap.org Asunto: [Talk-es] abutters y landuse Hola a todos! pregunta fácil (para quien lo sepa): cuándo usar abutters y cuando landuse? saludos! Rummidge ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-es -- P.D.: REENVIAR MI DIRECCIÓN DE FORMA VISIBLE ES DELITO: http://delitosinformaticos.com/delitos/correo4.shtml Nacho. --¿Has visto mi página web renovada?-- www.nachoblanco.tk http://www.nachoblanco.tk/ ¿Que no hay alternativa? devolucion.org http://devolucion.org/ www.partidopirata.es http://www.partidopirata.es/ www.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntu.com/ es.openoffice.org http://es.openoffice.org/ winmail.dat___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-es
[OSM-talk] [tagging] tagging and rendering
Places of worship could be mapped as cathedrals, churches, chapels, etc in Britain or as mosques, temples, shrines, whatever in the east. Currently, Mapnik renders all places of worship (synagogues, mosques, and whatever) with a christian cross, so maybe we should not dismiss Elvin's boutade so quickly... ;) Lucas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-es] Problema con el WMS del IDEE
No me lo creo. Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Iván Sánchez Ortega Enviado el: dom 11/05/2008 15:22 Para: talk-es@openstreetmap.org Asunto: Re: [Talk-es] Problema con el WMS del IDEE El Domingo, 11 de Mayo de 2008, sergio sevillano escribió: dvorak! donde lo conseguiste? o es rollo pegatinas o mas bien como la solución guarra de rubix. Coges un teclado un pelín antiguo, un destornillador, haces palanca bajo cada tecla para que salga... y las vuelves a colocar en su nuevo hogar. :-) -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED] Un ordenador no es un televisor ni un microondas, es una herramienta compleja. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] tagging opening hours 2 dias para votar
Como salga que no, Sergio dará un pucherazo :-P La verdad, ni siquiera sé si tengo derecho a voto, pero si puedo votaré a favor :-) Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de sergio sevillano Enviado el: mié 07/05/2008 13:18 Para: talk es Asunto: [Talk-es] tagging opening hours 2 dias para votar hola propuse el nuevo tag openig_hours quedan 2 días para que empiece la votación, para ver si se aprueba. ahora esta en fase de comentarios así que si os va el tema y queréis comentar http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Opening_Hours o si tenéis dudas tambien lo puedo comentar por este talk.. saludos ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-es winmail.dat___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?
I totally agree. A map is basically a drawing, so the most important thing is the shape of the ways themselves. I would sooner say that the trivial part is adding the place-names. Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Steve Hill Enviado el: mar 06/05/2008 11:28 Para: Andy Allan CC: osm Talk Asunto: Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status? On Tue, 6 May 2008, Andy Allan wrote: [2] Another brilliant example of how people make themselves feel useful by doing the trivially easy bit, c.f. tracing from Yahoo with no intention of naming the roads. I'm just going to voice an opinion (feel free to ignore it :) - putting roads on the map by any means (e.g. wandering with a GPS, tracing Yahoo, etc) is always very useful, even if one doesn't name the roads: 1. If you're doing something like route planning, you don't need to know all the names of the roads - just knowing that you can get from A to B via this road is useful (although some information about the quality of the road is required so you don't direct HGVs up a tiny 1-track lane :) 2. If the road is on the map it becomes much easier for people who are familiar with the area to fill in the details such as the name - no equipment is needed (such as GPS), they don't need to get off their backside and go out to walk/drive the road and there is next to no effort in putting a name on a road if you know the area. I can see that in many cases, _users_ (i.e. people who just want a map and would otherwise just be using Google) might be happy to add names when using the map themselves, but aren't going to spend the time and effort tracing roads from Yahoo themselves (for one thing this involves somewhat more experience with how OSM works than just adding a name). Chris Jones (who runs the Welsh language OSM) has been working on an AJAX thing to make fixing road names easy without having to understand the editors - I see this as a really good thing since it gets more people contributing to the project, but it does require that the roads themselves are in the database. - Steve xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nexusuk.org/ Servatis a periculum, servatis a maleficum - Whisper, Evanescence ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] [tagging] Against source=survey
The tag source=survey hides the fact that those coordinates were derived from the signal provided by a particular infrastructure: the US satellites. Maybe those ways derived from GPS tracks should be tagged source=NASA or source=Pentagon, instead of source=survey, which does not cite the true source. Just to prevent people from believing that cartography consists in switching the on/off button of a toy called Garmin... Lucas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain
lol... He doesn't need to understand, but he would like to understand... which is an admirable thing...;-) Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Frederik Ramm Enviado el: lun 05/05/2008 1:00 Para: Vincent MEURISSE CC: talk@openstreetmap.org Asunto: Re: [OSM-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain Hi, I don't understand why some users want their work in PD. You don't have to understand, just accept that some want it. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bulk Data Import how-to and tips
Hi, Patrick Maybe there is a better way, but this is what I would do: - get a shapefile of Luxembourg (or a simple polygon shapefile that contains all of Luxembourg). Let's call it lux.shp. - download the roads for Luxembourg currently in OSM from http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe/ Now you will need a GIS application: - select the roads tagged as motorway, motorway_link, trunk, trunk_link, primary or primary_link from that shapefile and export them to another shapefile. - perform a buffer of that shapefile (for example, use 100 meters for the radius) - perform a difference operation: lux.shp minus the buffer you have just created - finally, clip the official shapefile of the Luxembourg roads with the result of that substraction and export the resulting shapefile to the OSM format with that python script. And then, you will have to carefully connect those ways with the current ways in OSM, and revise the tags, of course. Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Skywave Enviado el: jue 01/05/2008 14:47 Para: talk@openstreetmap.org Asunto: [OSM-talk] Bulk Data Import how-to and tips JOSM can't read shape files, you will have to adapt this script http://boston.freemap.in/osm/files/mgis_to_osm.py to convert shapefiles to osm. On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Patrick Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi list I have been mapping my home country Luxembourg for the past 6 months. I recently have been offered by another OSM user who works at the national road works agency (not shure about the translation but anyway), to get the national road network (all primary highways, trunk and motorways) imported into OSM. Apparently they are okay with it. Great News! Now I am trying to figure out how this will work in practice, as we are not importing into a blank canvas, but a sizable bit of the road network has been done already. How can we merge the two datasets, and keep the best bits of both? Also, whats the best procedure for the conversion. I suspect we will get the data as shapefiles. Can JOSM read shapefiles? Thanks for helping us. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM in Europe Statistics
Hi, One funny alternative would be to compute not the size of the data (nodes and tags) but the size of the tiles in a compressed format (PNG or JPG or compressed BMP). An empty tile can be compressed to a few bytes, but a dense tile with a lot of ways and place-names cannot be compressed so much. In this way, we would compute the amount of graphic information available for each country/zone, and this would not be influenced by uploads of tracks with too many nodes or untagged, disconnected nodes. On the other hand, one very visible difference between Mediterranean cities and, for example, English cities is the population density of the urban areas. For example, a medium-size English city like Liverpool is probably almost as big as Barcelona, even though their population is much smaller, so the ratio kms of streets divided by number of people will be very different in the South and in the North of Europe... not to mention those endless suburbs in the United States, for example... so yes, it's very complicated to compute a map quality index properly. Regards, Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Frederik Ramm Enviado el: mié 30/04/2008 1:45 Para: talk@openstreetmap.org Asunto: [OSM-talk] OSM in Europe Statistics Hi, a very crude statistic: Country osm.bz2 sizepopulationratio (bytes per capita) UK73M60M1.2 Germany 110M82M1.3 Netherlands 51M16M3.2 France29M60M0.5 Finland 20M 5M4.0 Italy 14M58M0.2 Norway21M 5M4.2 Sweden24M 9M2.6 Spain 17M40M0.4 I suspect that disregarding the coastline (which is included in my figures) would probably cost the Scandinavian countries a few ranks in this league. Coastline factor doesn't affect larger countries that much (but still strange that Italy should have so little - must investigate quality of border polygon). It is probably not unreasonable that once the road network is complete in a European country, we'll look at a ratio not unlike the NL figure. This would suggest that both the UK and Germany are about 1/3 there. Of course this is very simplistic and I believe you will come up with much better measures of progress. Let's hear your numbers ;-) (Among other things, NL is known as a very densely populated place - UK has 9 times the area of NL but only 3 times the population -, so those map features that tend to fill the available land even if sparsely populated will mean that the destination bytes per capita ratio for places like UK or DE will be higher than 3.) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
