Re: [Talk-transit] Bus stop map

2009-09-23 Thread Chris Hill
Christoph Böhme wrote:
 Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net schrieb:

   
 It was partly because I struggled with NOVAM that I knocked up this 
 overlay.  I couldn't reconcile the NOVAM rules with the stops I have 
 checked 
 

 As Thomas already said the rules were based on the tagging scheme from
 the Birmingham import. They were also devised with the idea of
 implementing a web-based bus-stops merging tool. However this idea has
 been dropped as it is very easy to merge bus stops within josm.

 I discussed a change of the colour scheme with Peter Miller a couple of
 weeks ago on the West Midlands list:

 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb-westmidlands/2009-September/000342.html

 At the moment I am moving to a new server and do not have time to do
 any changes on NOVAM. But I plan to implement new rules in October.

 It would be interesting to know which rules you used for your overlay.
   
There are 5 possible outcomes:

* No highway=bus_stop, but there is a naptan:AtcoCode = naptan that
  is not on the ground (green bus with X over it)
* highway=bus_stop and naptan:verified=no = not yet checked (red bus)
* highway=bus_stop and no naptan:AtcoCode = real stop not in naptan
  (blue bus)
* highway=bus_stop and naptan:verified != no and note=* = stop
  checked with a problem, such as bearing wrong (cyan bus)
* highway=bus_stop and naptan:verified != no and no note = stop
  checked and OK (green bus)

This suits the data I have and the way I want to use it, i.e. find stops 
to check then show others the stops that don't match their NaPTAN data 
for whatever reason.

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Re: [Talk-transit] Bus stop map

2009-09-23 Thread Jerry Clough - OSM
I've been working on a set of GroundTruth rules to do something similar, but at 
the moment I only have 3 classes (OSM, NAPTAN and merged). If I can find rules 
which work I'll extend this according to Chris's colour scheme. At the moment I 
have it as a transparent overlay, but my icons are too small, and its too 
difficult to pick them out on the display of my Garmin: so I think I'll add the 
road system with the minimum of fancy display. 

Also my initial attempt was too ambitious the XAPI download of bus stops for 
the UK is now rather large!

Any one interested I can post my provisional GroundTruth rules on the wiki.

Jerry Clough



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[Talk-transit] East Lothian Bus Stops lack any details on the ground

2009-09-23 Thread Peter Miller

On 23 Sep 2009, at 19:32, Shaun McDonald wrote:

 Hi,

 Yesterday I was out checking a few bus stops in East Lothian  
 (cycling from Musselburgh out along the coast to North Berwick).  
 Pretty much all of them had no information other than a flag which  
 said that buses stop here and that you are in East Lothian. There  
 was one that had a timetable where there were 4 buses per day to the  
 regional hospital in Edinburgh. Most of the bus stops did have a  
 space for a timetable but there was nothing in there about it. Is  
 this normal for more rural stops?

 Is it any wonder hardly any one uses the bus in the area when they  
 have no idea of where they go? (Well that's probably diverging from  
 the point).

Yes, the level of information provision is very variable across the  
county - the nearest stop to my house has information dated August  
2005! Possibly we should use FixMyStreet to report these to the  
authorities?

I have been adding 'tabletable_case=yes' to indicate that there is  
somewhere to put timetable information, but I have not been indicating  
whether there is any information in it.




Regards,


Peter


 Taken a photos of a few in Edinburgh, will need to see how they  
 marry up with the Naptan data as there is some references on the  
 flag and the timetable signs.

 http://www.trackmyjourney.co.uk/track/t4xzYTfZ7tj94

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