What's SAN? (was: Let's Talk about the Next version)
Hello Thomas, On Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 6:17:00 AM you [TF] wrote (at least in part): TF What is SAN Storage Disk? 'Storage Area Network' in opposition to 'NAS' = 'Network attached Storage'. The former is a (part of a) network that provides a lot of storage space. It'S not connected as 'hard disk' or something similar, but really as 'Network intended to move data to'. It's usually connected via really high speed, like fibre optics or other giga bit connections. The latter is a storage solution, connected to hosts _via network_ but using ISCSI (IIRC) and similar methods for the hosts storing 'remotely'. Imagine it as a 'hard disk accessible through network'. Both methods are used to provide external storage space, often shared by several hosts. But while the former usually is a complex of several machines and RAIDs, connected, maintained with internal mechanisms the latter usually is one or more RAIDs, accessed by the hosts as 'RAID storage'. Means: with NAS the host has (a bit) to care, where and how to store data, while with 'SAN' you just put it 'there' (strongly simplified). HTH Pit -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.60q on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) THE MEEK SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH! Aaa..er..if it's okay with you... _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bugs/Wishes: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Let's Talk about the Next version [Re: Becky 2.05 V The Bat]
Hello Tony, I personally think all the bugs should be ironed out and existing features such as MAPI should be got working properly before adding anything new. I agree with you here. As someone else mentioned on the list, I have a use for MAPI but I can only use OE or Eudora for it, it just will not work with TB. Guess who! ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.60c on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 2 _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bugs/Wishes: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[3]: Let's Talk about the Next version [Re: Becky 2.05 V The Bat]
Hello Daniel, On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:19:59 +1000 (26.06.02 19:19 my local time) you wrote about Let's Talk about the Next version [Re: Becky 2.05 V The Bat], at least in part: DH Basically, what I like to do is keep all the stupid bits and pieces DH of DH information that you pick up along the way in a folder style DH hierarchy. www.treepad.com - and it have nothing common with MTA... :-)... If nobody want PIM inside The Bat (and I can understand it), why, in the same time, unstructured information store _wanted_??? We have folder's tree, we have messages - what else and _why_??? -- Best regards, Alexander Leschinsky Powered by The Bat! 1.60q Weakened by Windows 98 4.10. A - MOTD: A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing. George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950) _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bugs/Wishes: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Becky 2.05 V The Bat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Daniel Hirning [DH] wrote: DH Just wondering what everyones thoughts are on the latest version DH of Becky...??? I tried Becky and find it to be an interesting, functional client. My main problem with it is that I can't browse multiple folders concurrently. This limitation affects me like a brick wall. It just gets in my way and was the reason why I stopped testing it. The filtering is limited though most would be satisfied with it's current capabilities. I've been spoilt though and enjoy TB!'s superior filtering. Becky's editor is more contemporary and more functional than most Windows based e-mail client editors. I, however, *much* prefer TB!'s. I think TB!'s current editor is more suited to e-mail composing than most contemporary editors. Becky just strikes me as a shadow of TB! (though not a fleeting one). Each major feature or design that is meaningful to me is similar but not as advanced as TB!'s. So Becky is certainly not rubbish. It's just not as powerful as TB!. - -- -=Allie C Martin=- List Moderator | TB! v1.60q | Windows XP Pro PGP/GPG Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=2B0717E2 _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iEYEARECAAYFAj0a5xgACgkQV8nrYCsHF+KoVgCgs8q+ZOliicMyfxBsG6Bz2GPR BIwAnRB2yCv+RbrEsoDyAmI0UlTXoq4p =Z2ve -END PGP SIGNATURE- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bugs/Wishes: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: What's SAN? (was: Let's Talk about the Next version)
Hello Pit and Syafril, On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:01:38 +0200 GMT (27/06/02, 14:01 +0700 GMT), Peter Palmreuther wrote: TF What is SAN Storage Disk? PP 'Storage Area Network' Thanks for both your explanations. I never stop learning, especially on the TB lists. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. All generalizations are false. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.60q under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bugs/Wishes: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Filtering [ was Re: Becky 2.05 V The Bat]
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 at 05:21:11 GMT -0500 (27/06/2002 17:21 where you think I live) Allie C Martin=[ACM] wrote to Daniel Hirning on TBBETA : I've been spoilt though and enjoy TB!'s superior filtering. If you everlook how Evolution or Sylpheed-claws filter (don't mentioned about procmail, it is the top one but difficult for newbie) you will feel different :-) IMHO Mail Ticker and Template in TB! are the two beeing discuss as a dream in linux MUA. I have trying to simulate Mail Ticker using bash script as hint by someone on Sylpheed list, but I am too stupid to make it work :-( Editor is another one, but we have some alternative using external editor such vim or emacs, no problem. -- Best regards, - Syafril - Riding The Bat! 1.60q under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bugs/Wishes: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Let's Talk about the Next version [Re: Becky 2.05 V The Bat]
Hello Tony, On Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 08:51:58 +0100, you wrote concerning 'Let's Talk about the Next version [Re: Becky 2.05 V The Bat]': ... I personally think all the bugs should be ironed out... I agree with you that as much as bugs should be fixed before adding new features. And I do think that Ritlabs should make TB! a full email client before adding NG features. I mean full implementation of IMAP, Double Byte Character Set support, customizable toolbars, etc... ... and existing features such as MAPI should be got working properly before adding anything new. As someone else mentioned on the list, I have a use for MAPI but I can only use OE or Eudora for it, it just will not work with TB. Do you mean IMAP or MAPI? Because MAPI is working flawless on my system. I can call TB! from for example MS Excel and mail a spreadsheet to someone. -- Best regards, David ** The first step to making a dream come true is to wake up. ** [TB! 1.60q] [Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2] [Running on a Celeron 800@1176 256 Mb RAM] _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bugs/Wishes: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Let's Talk about the Next version
Hello Thomas, On Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 22:37:00 +0700, you wrote concerning 'Let's Talk about the Next version': ... Therefore, I would be quite handy to have to create only one filter, where I can tick Use for: [x] Incoming, [x] Outgoing, [ ] Read, [ ] Replied messages. Yes I would _really_ love to see this in the next version. I usually want a read filter for every contact too, and it's a real PITA to have to create three filters for every contact. -- Best regards, David ** .::: ::..: ::.::. :..:: This tag-line is in Braille. ** [TB! 1.60q] [Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2] [Running on a Celeron 800@1176 256 Mb RAM] _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bugs/Wishes: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Filtering [ was Re: Becky 2.05 V The Bat]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Syafril Hermansyah [SH] wrote: I've been spoilt though and enjoy TB!'s superior filtering. SH If you everlook how Evolution or Sylpheed-claws filter (don't mentioned SH about procmail, it is the top one but difficult for newbie) you will SH feel different :-) Probably. But isn't this a comparison of Becky and TB!? :-) Also, I run Windows and not Linux/Unix. I'm quite convinced that I'm using the best solution that is available for Windows if you require a powerful, robust, flexible and configurable client. SH IMHO Mail Ticker and Template in TB! are the two beeing SH discuss as a dream in linux MUA. Can't do without them now. :-) - -- -=Allie C Martin=- List Moderator | TB! v1.60q | Windows XP Pro PGP/GPG Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=2B0717E2 _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iEYEARECAAYFAj0bCkgACgkQV8nrYCsHF+Lt6wCfSwfeMEXNq74nE4e+OU31HULy kz0An1x4X51/OWtUUrcG9Rj0SeOBJDFR =K4wq -END PGP SIGNATURE- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bugs/Wishes: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Filtering [ was Re: Becky 2.05 V The Bat]
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 at 07:51:19 GMT -0500 (27/06/2002 19:51 where you think I live) Allie C Martin=[ACM] wrote to Syafril Hermansyah on TBBETA : Probably. But isn't this a comparison of Becky and TB!? :-) No, I have change the subject before reply your posting (look above) he...he...he... Also, I run Windows and not Linux/Unix. I'm quite convinced that I'm using the best solution that is available for Windows if you require a powerful, robust, flexible and configurable client. Granted! Sypheed for windows32 still in alpha state take a lot of resources, sylpheed cygwin run much better but some features still not working well :-( Sylpheed will be challenger of TB! in the future (fast development, rich feature and don't forget it is GPL License). SH IMHO Mail Ticker and Template in TB! are the two beeing SH discuss as a dream in linux MUA. Can't do without them now. :-) Ugh...ugh :-) -- Best regards, - Syafril - Riding The Bat! 1.60q under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bugs/Wishes: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Ctrl-[ Glitch?
Hi Kevin, On Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 01:09 GMT -0400, Kevin Coates [KC] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : KC I usually use the Ctrl-[ key combination to read my unread KC messages KC ... The Bat goes to the next folder with an unread message ... KC However, it always seem to focus on the 2nd unread message in the KC folder and not the first. Apparently I am the only one who is experiencing this phenomenon? -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA _ AIM:kbc49 ICQ:2727351 Yahoo/MSM:kbc1949 _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bugs/Wishes: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Let's Talk about the Next version [Re: Becky 2.05 V The Bat]
Hello David, Do you mean IMAP or MAPI? Because MAPI is working flawless on my system. I can call TB! from for example MS Excel and mail a spreadsheet to someone. I believe he means MAPI. I also complained about MAPI not working properly (or fully). I can select a file (i.e an Excel sheet) in Explorer and right click and select Send to/Email recipient and TB's editor will open OK and the file will already be included as an attachment. But I can't create/send e-mail from other applications like WinFax Pro or my contact manager. And I don't think this Send to can be understood as MAPI. How did you set it up so that you can call TB from within Excel? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.60c on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 2 _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bugs/Wishes: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[2]: Let's Talk about the Next version [Re: Becky 2.05 V The Bat]
Greetings Tony, Thursday, June 27, 2002, 2:37:26 AM, you wrote: -| I already do that with a Bat filter anyway. I have filters set up to -| check text files for specific headers that TB downloads and if they match -| the message gets deleted before it's downloaded. It's pretty easy to do. I'm glad you and Marck told me this. I played with filtering for awhile not long ago, and couldn't quite figure out how to do this. Is it working via Mail Dispatcher? -| However because TB downloads just the headers and then checks each one -| against a list of know spam or porn originators it does slow the mail -| session down quite considerably. I can live with the performance issue if can kill a lot of the SPAM and jokes on the server, or at least leave them so I can browse them with the WebMail Interface... -| If you want my text files and the filters to match your welcome to them. Thanks Tony, lemme try and see if I can figure it out (I'll learn more that way) first, and if I bump my head against the rock too many times, I'll get back with you on this one! -- Best regards, Scott Forget Outlook Express, I use The Bat! 1.60c On an Abit KT7-RAID with a Thunderbird 900, and 512Megs of RAM. Burdened by: Windows XP Home (V 5.1.2600) _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bugs/Wishes: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Let's Talk about the Next version [Re: Becky 2.05 V TheBat]
Hello Miguel I believe he means MAPI. I also complained about MAPI not working properly (or fully). I can select a file (i.e an Excel sheet) in Explorer and right click and select Send to/Email recipient and TB's editor will open OK and the file will already be included as an attachment. But I can't create/send e-mail from other applications like WinFax Pro or my contact manager. And I don't think this Send to can be understood as MAPI. Hopefully Definative answer.. TB! uses simple MAPI.. used where the entire command can be specified on a single command line/URL. With office 97 products Send To mail recipient works just fine. Send to routing recipient FAILS. This is because routing uses the address book / name resolution facility with is only part of full MAPI. When using Outlook etc which do support full MAPI, then they can invoke the address book an initiate name resolution. All this requires user interaction.. which isn't specified in simple mapi A simple mapi client is fully function if it understands something like: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=TestBody=Hello%20World (as TB! can) Winfax expects full MAPI, as it tries to invoke the full MAPI spec address book functionality to resolve names to fax numbers etc I hope this helps. regards, Graham Using The Bat! 1.60q under Windows NT 4.0 (Build 1381, Service Pack 6) -- Notice: This e-mail message, together with any attachments, contains information of Merck Co., Inc. (Whitehouse Station, New Jersey, USA) that may be confidential, proprietary copyrighted and/or legally privileged, and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named on this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please immediately return this by e-mail and then delete it. == _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bugs/Wishes: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
