Re: I like the threading

2005-02-23 Thread Mic Cullen
At 18:44 [GMT+0100] on Wednesday February 23 (actual time - 1:44am on Thursday
in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote:

>>   I like the threading of the alpha.
>>   I'm threading by references, but when a message is lacking
>>   In-Reply-To and References but has a subject like Re same subject
>>   then the message is added to the thread anyhow.

> I can't take the risk of installing the Alpha, at least not till next
> weekend. But what you say about threading sounds just great.

ME TOO!!

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Re: Quiet?

2005-02-23 Thread David Calvarese
AC Martin wrote:
> Hi David,
>  On 23/02/2005 01:28 PM, you wrote:
> 
>> I'm working on that...  I'm pretty new to Thunderbird and I haven't
>> figured out how to do that yet. :)
> 
> Other than compatibility, I struggle to think of a meaningful reason for
> using inline PGP signatures. If you send PGP/MIME signatures to this
> list, you don't have to worry about users not being able to verify your
> sigs since the overwhelming majority use TB!, a PGP/MIME aware client,
> while others use clients that are also PGP/MIME aware.
> 
> I'd recommend stretching Enigmail's legs a bit and setup a recipient
> specific rule for these lists to have posts PGP/MIME and not inline
> signed. The messages to other recipients will remain inline signed. :)
> 

I'll give it a shot... Any chance you can tell me how to do a sig like
yours in Thunderbird? :)

Dave


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Re: Quiet?

2005-02-23 Thread AC Martin
Hi David,
 On 23/02/2005 01:28 PM, you wrote:

> I'm working on that...  I'm pretty new to Thunderbird and I haven't
> figured out how to do that yet. :)

Other than compatibility, I struggle to think of a meaningful reason for
using inline PGP signatures. If you send PGP/MIME signatures to this
list, you don't have to worry about users not being able to verify your
sigs since the overwhelming majority use TB!, a PGP/MIME aware client,
while others use clients that are also PGP/MIME aware.

I'd recommend stretching Enigmail's legs a bit and setup a recipient
specific rule for these lists to have posts PGP/MIME and not inline
signed. The messages to other recipients will remain inline signed. :)

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Re: Quiet?

2005-02-23 Thread David Calvarese
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Alexander S. Kunz wrote:
> Hello David Calvarese & everyone else,
> 
> on 23-Feb-2005 at 19:05 you (David Calvarese) wrote:
> 
>> There is 'Inline HTML'.  It's what Outlook Express uses by default. :)
> 
> You know what I meant.
> 
> Btw. now I know whats so ugly about your messages and why it jumped in my
> face so much - you have no sig delimiter to at least color your PGP
> gibberish grey (here). :-)
> 

I'm working on that...  I'm pretty new to Thunderbird and I haven't
figured out how to do that yet. :)


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Re: Quiet?

2005-02-23 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello David Calvarese & everyone else,

on 23-Feb-2005 at 19:05 you (David Calvarese) wrote:

> There is 'Inline HTML'.  It's what Outlook Express uses by default. :)

You know what I meant.

Btw. now I know whats so ugly about your messages and why it jumped in my
face so much - you have no sig delimiter to at least color your PGP
gibberish grey (here). :-)

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Alpha Column changing

2005-02-23 Thread Richard Wakeford
If you change a column view I like the way you are asked if you want to
keep the column change when moving to another folder. That way you don't
have to worry about resetting all the time. A very nice feature.
Actually there are lots of nice things about this Alpha (well, I think
so!!). It's just a shame there are so many rough edges in the form of
non working toolbars and menus and many many other inconsistencies. I
can't comment on IMAP or HTML because I never use them but, for basic
POP, I like it better than the previous version.

Despite that I wish you didn't have to open a message in a separate view
window to be able to open an attachment and why does store message as
draft always park the message in the outbox? (well it does with me).

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Re: I like the threading

2005-02-23 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Roelof,

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 you wrote in 

RO> Yep, though it's somewhat of a double edged sword.
RO> Just was looking for a message and couldn't find it even though I
RO> could find the first message of the thread.
RO> Turned out that my contact had been using a thing called 'Internet
RO> mail system' that didn't include threading headers. Because of the Re:
RO> in the subject, it was rightly deemed a reply. So TB hung it to the
RO> first message with that subject. And as we were discussing a yearly
RO> returning event, TB thought the replies were related to a message
RO> almost a year old in stead of one a mere ten days ago.
RO> Got to revise my archiving system I think.

Try unselecting Options/Preferences/Messages and the second box down
"the oldest message..."

That has worked for me and threading is now far more accurate than
before. What used to arrive as individual mails (and to old subjects)
are now arriving as properly threaded replies to the correct subjects.
Lovely :-)

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Re: Quiet?

2005-02-23 Thread David Calvarese
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Alexander S. Kunz wrote:
> Hello David Calvarese & everyone else,
> 
> on 23-Feb-2005 at 18:35 you (David Calvarese) wrote:
> 
>>> Then why's your message signed inline and not PGP/MIME? :-)
> 
>> Because I prefer inline signing over PGP/MIME. :)  Enigmail can do
>> PGP/MIME as well.
> 
> Its the year 2005. I find that PGP gibberish is totally unneccessary, it
> can be avoided and the functionality stays the same (personally, I find the
> readability is increased, which I, personally again, find more functional
> in an email message) ... imagine there was something like "inline HTML" or
> whatever. Yikes! :-)
> 

There is 'Inline HTML'.  It's what Outlook Express uses by default. :)
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Re: Priority of IMAP

2005-02-23 Thread David Calvarese
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Michael Schneider wrote:
> Any words for this?
> 
> RITlabs just prefers to code a new GUI but stabalize their product.
> 
> 
> Sorry, but I'm just mad about RITlabs and their behavior regarding IMAP :-(

I'm a tad upset with them too.  I've used (and registered) TB! since
Version 1 and the IMAP support is still far behind what Thunderbird's
(or God forbid, Outlook Express's) is.  That's why I'm currently using
Thunderbird, that and a few GnuPG quirks.
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Re: Quiet?

2005-02-23 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello David Calvarese & everyone else,

on 23-Feb-2005 at 18:35 you (David Calvarese) wrote:

>> Then why's your message signed inline and not PGP/MIME? :-)

> Because I prefer inline signing over PGP/MIME. :)  Enigmail can do
> PGP/MIME as well.

Its the year 2005. I find that PGP gibberish is totally unneccessary, it
can be avoided and the functionality stays the same (personally, I find the
readability is increased, which I, personally again, find more functional
in an email message) ... imagine there was something like "inline HTML" or
whatever. Yikes! :-)

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Re: I like the threading

2005-02-23 Thread MAU
Hello Roelof,

>   I like the threading of the alpha.
>   I'm threading by references, but when a message is lacking
>   In-Reply-To and References but has a subject like Re same subject
>   then the message is added to the thread anyhow.

I can't take the risk of installing the Alpha, at least not till next
weekend. But what you say about threading sounds just great.

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Re[2]: Quiet?

2005-02-23 Thread Cees
Het was op woensdag 23 februari 2005 om 18:17 uur dat jij iets schreef over 
'Quiet?' :

Hallo Alexander,
  
>> and the GnuPG support via Enigmail is better than the PGP support in TB!
>> as well

ASK> Then why's your message signed inline and not PGP/MIME? :-)

 that's  because  it's  kinda  difficult to get to work properly, if you have
 more  than  one  emailaddress  in  TheBat!  and  secondly  to  NOT get a BAD
 signature :-(

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Re: Quiet?

2005-02-23 Thread David Calvarese
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Alexander S. Kunz wrote:
> Hello David Calvarese & everyone else,
> 
> on 23-Feb-2005 at 00:33 you (David Calvarese) wrote:
> 
>> and the GnuPG support via Enigmail is better than the PGP support in TB!
>> as well
> 
> Then why's your message signed inline and not PGP/MIME? :-)
> 

Because I prefer inline signing over PGP/MIME. :)  Enigmail can do
PGP/MIME as well.

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Re: Quiet?

2005-02-23 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello David Calvarese & everyone else,

on 23-Feb-2005 at 00:33 you (David Calvarese) wrote:

> and the GnuPG support via Enigmail is better than the PGP support in TB!
> as well

Then why's your message signed inline and not PGP/MIME? :-)

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IMAP Search...

2005-02-23 Thread Jonathan Angliss
Hi,

Seems IMAP searching is still flaky at best.  It also seems to have an
issue with timeouts.  If the connection timesout while requesting the
search data, it never reconnects.  You have to manually force a
connection, at which point it starts the search again.  After a
predetermined time, TB disconnects again.

Now for the unusual bit... I hit search again, and I then get a timer
scrolling along at the bottom that wasn't there the first 3 attempts,
however the search results are incomplete.  I did a search in my
TBBETA archives in the body for "a.htm".  It returned 3 results.

So I enabled the protocol logging option, and I hit the start button
a few times, nothing appeared in the log, but everything else was
being logged just fine... So what is going on there?  So I hit search
a few more times, still nothing being logged.  Does this go to reflex
that the Search feature is not working at all, or limited to checking
only the local cache?  Or does it suggest that somewhere along the
way, the Search dialog just forgot to ask the IMAP server?

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Re: Priority of IMAP

2005-02-23 Thread AC Martin
Hi Michael,
 On 23/02/2005 07:07 AM, you wrote:

> But it seems that RITlabs want to sit the problems with IMAP out. Hoping
> that no one cares or notices...

I doubt this very much.

>From my observation and experience, it would seem that they're very
motivated to have IMAP working, but it's proving to be a challenge. At
the same time, TB!'s development in other areas cannot be left at a
standstill because IMAP has problems. It's still first and foremost, a
POP3 client and works fantastically as such.

> Or any other explanation for bugs and behaviors, being there since the
> early beginnings of IMAP or several versions?

IMAP has been grafted unto a mainly POP3 foundation. I guess they'll
eventually work things out. I don't know when though.

> The developer knows the bug, got the bug himself etc. ... but he doesn't
> get the idea to fix it ... :-D
> 
> Any words for this?

It seems to be very challenging for them and we have to be prepared to
wait for things to be fixed. We'll feel left behind as the client is
enhanced in other areas because they have a mainly POP3 userbase to
cater to.

> RITlabs just prefers to code a new GUI but stabalize their product.
>
> Sorry, but I'm just mad about RITlabs and their behavior regarding IMAP :-(

I'm now indifferent since I've freed myself of relying on TB! to come of
age with IMAP.

I have a reliable solution for IMAP and that's ThunderBird. TB! is a
potentially better solution if the IMAP actually works without crippling
problems. I wait patiently in the sidelines for if and when that
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Re: Priority of IMAP

2005-02-23 Thread Michael Schneider
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Markus Gloede schrieb:
|>from what I've heard, IMAP is lacking somewhat. As I am entirely
|>IMAP based, I'm in no great hurry to test in this case.
|
| ACK(*). New GUI(+) or no new GUI, working IMAP(#) is what I want.
DITO.
But it seems that RITlabs want to sit the problems with IMAP out. Hoping
that no one cares or notices...
Or any other explanation for bugs and behaviors, being there since the
early beginnings of IMAP or several versions?
Best statement ever (out of many):
- -->
|> 1. If a mail is moved through a filter from an imap-folder to a local
|>folder,  the  imap-folder  is  marked  as  "unread" but there is no
|>number about how many mails are unread. (screen shot 1)
|
|Hmm, had sometimes the same effect, will work it.
<--
The developer knows the bug, got the bug himself etc. ... but he doesn't
get the idea to fix it ... :-D
Any words for this?
RITlabs just prefers to code a new GUI but stabalize their product.
Sorry, but I'm just mad about RITlabs and their behavior regarding IMAP :-(

Michael
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Re: Quiet?

2005-02-23 Thread Peter Fjelsten
David,

On 22-02-2005 23:52, you [DE] wrote in
:
DE>>> I am sorry but it was released a alpha release.

DE> Yea and ??

I did not write what you answering. You cut out my reply to that
message.

>> That being said, I don't mind Ritlabs releasing an Alpha to the general
>> public (although it as per BS standards would be a Beta :-) ) as long as
>> it is clearly marked as such.

DE> But they follow the correct protocols.

DE> They announced it as an an alpha.

Yes they did. But again, according to BS 7925-1 (AFAIR), alpha tests
take place in-house. Anyway this is off-topic and not that interesting.

>> People (including myself) have anxiously been waiting for news from
>> Ritlabs and I suppose that they have released this version to give people
>> something to "work with".

DE> < ... >

DE> Then wait for a beta.

Which I also wrote I would. I don't know why you are suggesting I should
do what I already have said I would do?

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Re: Quiet?

2005-02-23 Thread Stuart Hemming
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Re: Alpha Account Tree

2005-02-23 Thread Tony Boom
Hello Richard,

  A reminder of what Richard Wakeford on TBBETA typed on:
  23 February 2005 at 01:24:50 GMT +0100

RW> They seem so far away butted up against the message window.

I noticed that, it messed all the appearance up. The one thing I did like
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Re: Quiet?

2005-02-23 Thread Tony Boom
Hello Peter,

  A reminder of what Peter Fjelsten on TBBETA typed on:
  22 February 2005 at 23:39:04 GMT +0100

PF> Which apparently has a problem with sig delimiters...

 We know about that, and I've been in contact with Poco support a long
 while ago about it. I just had a post from them telling me about a new
 version so I thought I'd try it.


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Re: Connection Center and "Details"

2005-02-23 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Jonathan,

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 you wrote in 

JA> I normally run with my connection center open, with full details being
JA> displayed.  Today out of curiousity I turned of the details, and was
JA> left with a dark grey box, with no information in it at all.
JA> Shouldn't it at least have the connection status in it?

Same here.

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Re: IMAP and Mail Fetching Quirks

2005-02-23 Thread Matt Thoene
On Tuesday, February 22, 2005 @ 9:18:50 PM [-0700], Jonathan Angliss wrote:

> quirks

Ah yes...quirks. That's a much better word than my earlier post on
"quarks". I meant to say quirks. Nothing subatomic about TB. :)

Back on topic, I have that same issue from time to time. Mostly when I
come back to TB after a period of non-activity. I have to go into the
CC and delete the IMAP session, then highlight any folder in the
account to re-initiate it.

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Re: IMAP and Mail Fetching Quirks

2005-02-23 Thread Frank Lahrmann
Hello tbbeta,

just now (on 02/23/2005 at 09:16) Peter Fjelsten ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:



> I get this problem with all versions past 3.0.1.33 (I have not tried the
> alpha).

The  v3.0.2.8  works  well for me, but in the Alpha TB hangs up on the
IMAP-Account after 1/2 hour, so that I had to re-start TB.


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Priority of IMAP (was: Quiet?)

2005-02-23 Thread Markus Gloede
Hi,

Chris Weaven wrote:

> from what I've heard, IMAP is lacking somewhat. As I am entirely
> IMAP based, I'm in no great hurry to test in this case.

ACK(*). New GUI(+) or no new GUI, working IMAP(#) is what I want.

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Markus
* Acknowledge[d] (antonym: NACK (not acknowledged))
+ Graphical User Interface
# Internet Message Access Protocol
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tool-tip kind (switchoffable).
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Re: IMAP and Mail Fetching Quirks

2005-02-23 Thread Peter Fjelsten
Jonathan,

On 23-02-2005 06:18, you [JA] wrote in
:
JA> This email is concerning IMAP and message fetching quirks. It'd
JA> appear randomly TB wants to "hang" on fetching emails. I have sat
JA> here for an hour with 2 emails (yes only 2 emails) sitting in the
JA> queue to be processed with the "Status" of "In Queue".

I get this problem with all versions past 3.0.1.33 (I have not tried the
alpha).


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Re: IMAP and Mail Fetching Quirks

2005-02-23 Thread Frank Lahrmann
Hi tbbeta,

just now (on 02/23/2005 at 06:18) Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> Okay, I'm kind of liking this new look, there are some odd quirks,
> like the envelope icons in the message list half appearing randomly,
> but I'm sure they'll get sorted (along with the other things).

> This email is concerning IMAP and message fetching quirks. It'd appear
> randomly TB wants to "hang" on fetching emails. I have sat here for an
> hour with 2 emails (yes only 2 emails) sitting in the queue to be
> processed with the "Status" of "In Queue". It can sit there for ages.
> If I click on other messages, they get added to the queue, and nothing
> happens. If I then delete one of those messages that was in the queue,
> it'd seem like TB suddenly wakes up, and then processes a few of the
> messages you had in the queue, then goes back to sleeping away. If I
> then delete /all/ the tasks, then give it a few minutes, /then/ try
> getting a new message, everything is back to normal again.

> Mildly  annoying, I wasn't expecting a degredation of IMAP handling, I
> was  hoping  for  an  improvement. Though I guess it is an improvement
> over  beta  10  where  I couldn't use it at all as it'd close the IMAP
> connection, and never work again.

 Confirmed :-(

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