Re: About release
On 31 Oct 2005, at 22:34, Stefan Tanurkov wrote: There is nothing to fix - this has been repeated hundreds of times. MicroEd works as designed. I'll second that. MicroEd is the one main feature I miss. -- Tony Boom PGP http://www.theboomclan.com/tbc.asc Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: About release
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 31 Oct 2005, at 23:20, Alto Speckhardt wrote: So does terrorism. That doesn't mean it's a good thing. Have you any idea how many people have asked RL to release MicroEd as a separate stand alone text editor? I for one and dozens of others would welcome it. - -- Tony Boom PGP http://www.theboomclan.com/tbc.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Desktop 9.0.2 (Build 2425) Comment: T.B.C. Imac G5 20 iQA/AwUBQ2cjq9anuJ+T+uXWEQLq0QCglrI+DH+BMPzsH/jHVG4ez28Tb8oAoKli woyazRmXn2MJADHRt6C61la/ =zESF -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About release
On Tuesday, November 1, 2005, at 09:05:42 [UTC+0700] (Tuesday, November 1, 2005 03:05 my local time) Thomas Fernandez wrote: My personal workaround is that once a filter has reached 10 conditions, I will create a new one for additional conditions. Both filters will do exactly the same, namely moving messages to folders based on email domains found in headers.[...] In some cases I use only one universal filter which moves messages into folders of names based on sender domain. The trick lies in symbolic name of the folder which use regular expression like this: \\Your_Account\%SetPattRegexp=(?is)@(.*)%RegexpMatch(%OFromAddr) Condition for this filter may be very simple, for example, you can check if sender belongs to AB group or, if number of domains is small, you can check null condition. Additionally, you can create such folders automatically, so sender with new domain will not a problem. -- Best regards, Zygmunt Wereszczynski (Using The Bat! v3.62.08 in OTFE mode with BayesIt! 0.8.4 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4) Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Autosize
On Tuesday, November 1, 2005, at 03:24:07 [UTC+0100] (Tuesday, November 1, 2005 03:24 my local time) Alto Speckhardt wrote: Where did the Autosize feature for the columns in the message list window go? Has it been moved elsewhere or is this one of those just wanted to see if you were paying attention-things? Instead of removed Autosize option you should use Limit expansion of the first column to [x] levels on The Bat! Preferences / Messages dialog. This was changed several months ago. -- Best regards, Zygmunt Wereszczynski (Using The Bat! v3.62.08 in OTFE mode with BayesIt! 0.8.4 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4) Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Autosize
Hello Zygmunt, On Tuesday, November 1, 2005, at 03:24:07 [UTC+0100] (Tuesday, November 1, 2005 03:24 my local time) Alto Speckhardt wrote: Where did the Autosize feature for the columns in the message list window go? Has it been moved elsewhere or is this one of those just wanted to see if you were paying attention-things? Instead of removed Autosize option you should use Limit expansion of the first column to [x] levels on The Bat! Preferences / Messages dialog. This was changed several months ago. This does not achieve the same effect, AFAIK. Autosize democratly added additional width to *any* column when the client window was resized. This was very handy on a big monitor when changing TB's size. Limit expansion however only affects the first column, not all columns. They always keep their designated width. So even when I expand TB! over my 1900px wide display the columns are still as small as before. Me I am also missing the autosize feature, that disappeared a while ago when major rewrites of the interface took place. A little at least. But I know that finding the right behavior will be difficult, as some might prefer having the preview window changing its size automatically instead of the message list. -- Martin TB! 3.62.01 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
TBBETA Mission Statement
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Greetings Beta Listers,
This is your monthly message from the moderation team to remind you
of the primary purpose of this discussion list.
To review the list rules, follow the link at the end of this message.
Before posting a question to the list, please check The Bat! User's
FAQ at: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html and the list
archive at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] To
join the list, send a message to
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
TBBETA Mission statement
The TBBETA list has been set up for the purpose of discussing The
Bat! officially released Beta test versions and related issues. For
general topics of a more simple nature regarding full release
versions, refer to TBUDL. For more complex topics refer to TBTECH.
An 'officially released' beta version is one which has been
announced *by RITlabs* on the TBBETA list, usually with a list of
changes.
Simply send messages to tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com to send it to
the whole list.
See the notes at the end of this message for details about how to
manage your list membership or to leave the list.
It would probably be a good idea for you to set up a folder to keep
TBBETA messages in. If you do this, the next most useful thing to
have in place is an automatic filter to move mail from your inbox
into your TBBETA folder.
Set up a filter for incoming mail which looks for:
Header Field [Reply-To] Contains [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Roguemoticon Project
It's nice to see your contact's face in the header ... and for them
to see yours. That's what roguemoticons are all about. If you wish
to add yourself, then you'll need to visit this site
http://www.pcwize.com/thebat
What this place will do for you is to allow you to create an
account, add your image and then let you download a .ZIP file
containing all the files you'll need to be able so see people's
faces without having to send or receive any real images in any
messages.
To trigger the roguemoticon display in the message header for anyone
reading your message using TB, you have the choice of using the
X-Rogue: header or a signature trigger.
How to use a signature trigger
The image is triggered by a 'Handle' you've defined in your
account, and when that Handle appears in a message it gets
replaced on the client side by the corresponding image. A handle
could look like anything you want it to look like pretty much.
For example:
:Leif_Gregory:
Just add this text to your standard message signature block.
How to create the X-Rogue: header
You can do that with this macro:
%SetHeader('X-Rogue',':your_handle:')%- in your templates for
this and other tb-lists.
However, the macro alone won't do the trick.
TB'll say: 'Hey, that's not any RFC822 header I know about', so
you'll have to define it as such:
Options .. Preferences .. Messages .. Message headers .. 'Add'
Now you'll get a pop-up to define the header
Display as: X-Rogue (or whatever, it isn't very important)
RFC header: X-Rogue
Uncheck: 'This field is an address list' (because it isn't)
Check: 'Allow this field to be edited in the message editor'
Uncheck: 'Display this field in the scrollable part of the
header pane'
Now you're done and every TB-user can see your lovable face when
they've installed the roguemoticons.
For you to see peoples faces:
To get this going, you should be running TB! v2.12 or later. Fetch
the following file:
http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/smileys/rogues.zip
Unzip it to the 'Images' directory that's in your TB! installation
directory: C:\Program Files\The Bat!\Images
You should now have a directory called 'rogues' containing many
images as well as the file 'rogues.msl' in your Images directory.
Go into the preferences, and bring up the View/Editor options. Now
hit Shift-CTRL-Alt-T while TB! is in focus. This will re-fetch
TB!'s smiley set from disk and load the new images.
TBOT - The Bat off topic discussion list
One of our members has created a list for those occasional off topic
discussions of public interest. Please feel free to join this list,
where many of our readership currently participate.
Addresses:
Post message: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: About release
Hi Alto and list, On Tuesday, November 1, 2005 at 03:00:25 GMT +0100 (which was 03:00 where I live) Alto Speckhardt wrote (at least in parts) and made these valuable points on the subject of About release: [umpteenth editor discussion] Ah. So that's what's wrong with MicroEd. That wrong is _your_ opinion, not mine. Ok, so when will it be fixed? There should be a reason that a lot of TB-User like MicroEd so much. I sincerely hope: not in my lifetime! -- Regards Michael powered by The BAT! 3.62.07, , and MyMacros 1.11a with usual problems of Windows XP Pro 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About release
Hi Thomas and list, On Tuesday, November 1, 2005 at 09:27:42 GMT +0700 (which was 03:27 where I live) Thomas Fernandez wrote (at least in parts) and made these valuable points on the subject of About release: ST I guess, we should make some filter optimiser,... Yes, that's a good idea. I do hope that does not mean: Do it for the next beta cycle so that longstanding bugfixes are delayed again once more! -- Regards Michael powered by The BAT! 3.62.07, , and MyMacros 1.11a with usual problems of Windows XP Pro 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Autosize
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi, Where did the Autosize feature for the columns in the message list window go? ZW Instead of removed Autosize option you should use Limit ZW expansion of the first column to [x] levels on The Bat! ZW Preferences / Messages dialog. This was changed several months ZW ago. Aha. But sorry, I still don't get it: How is this option supposed to work? I'm using the same TheBat on a 19 LCD and a 17 CRT. In v3.0.1.33 I had checked AutoSize and the columns in the message list window always spanned the whole window width. In v3.5+ this doesn't work: If I have the columns comfortably in view on the 19 display, on the 17 CRT I have to scroll right to see the last two columns. Can you tell me how I have to use Limit Ex to solve that? - -- MfG, AS mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: Crypt by Alto M. Speckhardt iQEVAwUBQ2dkfksJWtsndbzVAQHn1wf9FNZOW4uY9EeJ3tGWqDEOX5r3DpMSNnco O+uOiT/fBGyRJMcWSlV/5nKBuK/3lFJM0TLWCQhBVAqq50XI6T62PAWAtrUCadeD w4yh78p+xoBM44OFXPdf0R8uCqn/OSkt+tdDDVOZKBus3j3qCNS0biXl81pWBaWA UhHe5MtsJ4ObzrPwDMdtVzA/CD9o2XlpW4MZU9hbscGaqCX12KPj8sPl1AxYdaxa Ea/+z5vNMlm+PWwmPqnb95y665zJS0EDJI39h2qBv69QUZSrJvtsSaKRJtZXx3e3 UsuLEt/SXNCz/3KZu4ysDMxCLGcpyY4nUIIcbU5CNT6PsG/F+WH3Qg== =QubT -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: About release
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi, What advantages does this system yield? C Do we really have to go through this again. It was all discussed C months ago. Please remember that it wasn't me who rekindled the discussion, I was just reminding that the issue is still not solved. But here, yes, we do: What benefits does the TB-way give? Please enlighten me, for I can only see the downfalls of it. C You seem to have your mind made up already. Yes. Of course: I have a problem here. You have explained me where the problem come from, but you couldn't make it go away any more than I could. So why should I be feeling better about the problem now that I know where it stems from? - -- MfG, AS mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: Crypt by Alto M. Speckhardt iQEVAwUBQ2dln0sJWtsndbzVAQFzfwgAolvqOXpeShgZFtTWxh6DSmMet+j63jD2 iSjYpL/FmudTkKMBz6WacMpOBUAnSGrTbd9mTWavg9pttWDUM4sx6Ddlsn/JbdKj 3PcKPlOH3aU3SgJQ2q/2+UK6a+TdR0Z/w7g8mFlwcP7X6rVa1SOijt0jzd444+9c Rt9iuKt8g34Zw6kKzzSEZ9x0nvdI/K2EkrlJBn7YiuVLvrCRVTvxPBSwwm3Oe5do gXPBwK+b4S/8IGoF0naACgiujpXhNR1fhyGjVQHxGn4NsZ3deQiA/86m6Ik9CN7D QqYwORGkBttAFmWjdhbbdq9vdTfoJ2JajGXYfhfI5EzRy2PnUh5nhQ== =mU3h -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Autosize
Alto, On 01-11-2005 13:50, you [AS] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: AS I'm using the same TheBat on a 19 LCD and a 17 CRT. Just a note: the physical size of the monitor is inconsequential - it's the screen resolution in pixels that counts. AS In v3.5+ this doesn't work: If I have the columns comfortably in view AS on the 19 display, on the 17 CRT I have to scroll right to see the AS last two columns. This would indicate you are running with different screen resolutions. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.62.01 Pro /thebat version env. ~4 POP3, 7 IMAP (UW IMAP 2002e) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: About release
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi, ASK So far, it is you alone who wants MicroEd to behave differently. Don't give me that. How many people on this list wanted the UI updates when the developement started for v3.5.x? Almost noone, all complained about unfixed bugs that should have been adressed before. Still, RIT had the opinion that a new UI would be more valuable to the average user than working on silent code. I, too, don't agree with them, but they ought to know why they were doing it in this order. And now you want to tell me that because most of the experts participating in this list have adjusted to the TB-way it was ok to the standard user? I heavily disagree. Do you have any idea how many individuals whose computer system I service have enquired about this issue, to me alone? And can you imagine how satisfied they are when I have to tell them that no, it isn't a bug, they are just to stupid to use a feature correctly? The user decides what's a bug and what's a feature. What exactly the TB-way is might be a matter of debate, but a feature it for sure is not. An afterthought: vi is a great editor. I'm sure we can agree on that, can't we? But tell me: How many guys are using this great editor, even compared to notepad? Does RIT want all the vi-users to root for TheBat, or do they want to target all those using notepad? How often have we heard that while we on this list may not approve some developement decision, it is expected that the broad mass of average users will? And now, suddenly, this is not valid any more and the marketing target is the small expert group that applauds this TB-specialty? Come on. ASK You consider it a bug [...] Not any more. You explained to me that it rather is a design flaw. Which of course is worse, because a bug tends to be fixable. ASK Now, I for one refuse to have something fixed [...] Sometimes I wonder. Did you even read that what I was suggesting a user config option to switch to normal behaviour, not necessarily a removal of the TB-way? - -- MfG, AS mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: Crypt by Alto M. Speckhardt iQEVAwUBQ2dp1ksJWtsndbzVAQH8jQf9G7roTMh1lGtACpVD7BEWfGxUZ1CRMpmg uym8uUkJMk9J+dE26LKb8+7XRrQV7yHTAs4wac3hKXAsOsOzjyWXpkCWC/KE0liO B43eFwjaJoAUEXfMyMFAqNAUv+MSCGRnN3wO+EZSN4fNj+LLh0HUWxViKC9V9dcU +v9k5+rwIgW2dsEhE86ThyXUDNlpX5YqIRv+lEZQLGINnbvOlcQ78pJ25XdXH+T4 8lktyjE52UWcO93pw0ikj8uIUfV278UPzeTMtZB91YyC7U8QpuniEp2n0/bOZgoa g65tAu9Hu7AYoMPq4qC4Lz96RdPzHlCsgyVVkATusaK+mBRc95Uy4w== =QGhg -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Autosize
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi, AS I'm using the same TheBat on a 19 LCD and a 17 CRT. PF Just a note: the physical size of the monitor is inconsequential - PF it's the screen resolution in pixels that counts. Ah yes, of course. My 19 display is running on 1280x1024 and the 17 is running on 1024x768. - -- MfG, AS mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: Crypt by Alto M. Speckhardt iQEVAwUBQ2dqZksJWtsndbzVAQHsJQf/ePR9Dj5m7F1zpVpPXbhHqMApY1BSYPwT W+o8xwOfw6VU+g0w7RlCnEojg+AgkrGFW+AlvKlzrCQ+CUVnjWamkAa9A8XYAI2D CgotdAlC3iukmfzM19xnulNQrmNECG8ElDeVaMO4gjwg61gExvM/1TX446GGsw20 2mN82KYrpy2+9X15ZeYxn4eqjEYA8+i+gmbo29d0egBy6SE0e/dX8HU/ZD43WrVg MfciOH7sEQ8Kl7gRpIK43Uj2m5HcIJxtKygb6qI5poFjmDt6E0YKKHaQrteQM5eB Ygf9CFSn6NosnpRNbxrDu93tB6G+X88q25+B/P7Z1mb4R1S+qca8Cg== =P7cT -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About release
Alto, On 01-11-2005 14:12, you [AS] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: AS An afterthought: vi is a great editor. I'm sure we can agree on AS that, can't we? No. Learning curve is way too high. I also consider it raked with bad usability. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.62.01 Pro /thebat version env. ~4 POP3, 7 IMAP (UW IMAP 2002e) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About release
Hello Alto Speckhardt everyone else, on 01-Nov-2005 at 14:12 you (Alto Speckhardt) wrote: The user decides what's a bug and what's a feature. Yes, so please file the feature request, see how much support you get, and spare us with your endless sermon, welcome to my ignore filter! -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Sometimes one pays most for the things one gets for nothing. -- Albert Einstein Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: About release
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi, ASK Yes, so please file the feature request This _is_ a feature request! ASK welcome to my ignore filter! Oh. Now you've gotten me - I'll have to think about suicide or something. - -- MfG, AS mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: iQEVAwUBQ2d1vUsJWtsndbzVAQHvUAgA1zOwuidzMNkNTwniCtze6XmN3mSewhW3 q0Od77+atbIfQgV8pislt6Ei9YeB8yucbSMafrkZfwwcXnpC1cpEeWWpd5mpi3ui zLUOCjzWMDolia4pqY9HgCoPxe75fiJ9MKob+tCyrj+3KUs+9ym7E82dy31xMj4Z wRj9zbyOjtupKuvvGvgq7MHZ5od8y1iWhf0cfJydu2oAa9LRg6rxbmtcez94bmMZ rg+xJ3+qRxMRGrAVk6VD5GRhyV4Xqe0EYP6Z30t4cVaQMuU2gy/2hQL2z90ynw7I iEwtXtASxQNzK0VoyRzq7iCG+r6LYMYlUdcQAv1Ph0MLVpfWMdePpg== =gjdz -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: About release
--On Tuesday, November 01, 2005 02:12 PM +0100 Alto Speckhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And now you want to tell me that because most of the experts participating in this list have adjusted to the TB-way it was ok to the standard user? I now find some common ground with you. I agree that viability isn't guaranteed when a bunch of experts are happy. Mulberry is a prime example of this. I heavily disagree. Do you have any idea how many individuals whose computer system I service have enquired about this issue, to me alone? And can you imagine how satisfied they are when I have to tell them that no, it isn't a bug, they are just to stupid to use a feature correctly? You speak as though there aren't two other editors to use. They may not have the fancy text reflow options. However, do average users want this? :) Just asking. :) Does OE or Outlook have fancy text reflow options? Interestingly, Ingrid (my wife) is so average. Not a word from her. Anyway, that's just anecdotal, I know. :) The user decides what's a bug and what's a feature. What exactly the TB-way is might be a matter of debate, but a feature it for sure is not. It is. The fact that it's based on an unusual approach/design, doesn't take away the fact that it's a feature. The editor is special. Simple. It's clear that what makes it special, you don't like. I may ask you how many that ask about the strange behaviour grow to like it when they see what it offers them. However, if you're the one offering the support, and with your attitude about the editor, I doubt you'd have anyone 'converted'. :) TB!'s editor was the first of its kind I had ever encountered when I first used it. I found it quite 'funky' in how it worked. However, it did things I didn't see other editors do. In fact, it still does things that I can replicate only in GVim. An afterthought: vi is a great editor. I'm sure we can agree on that, can't we? But tell me: How many guys are using this great editor, even compared to notepad? Notepad users will find one of the other editors to be just fine. :) The top post anyway, don't they??? Does RIT want all the vi-users to root for TheBat, or do they want to target all those using notepad? How often have we heard that while we on this list may not approve some developement decision, it is expected that the broad mass of average users will? With this editor it's a little different in that it's not the only packaged editor. Your personal requirement is that of an expert in that you've discovered special formatting abilities of MicroEd and wish to have them while at the same time, have the editor works its other magic. I doubt you'll find an average user engaging in this sort of exchange. And now, suddenly, this is not valid any more and the marketing target is the small expert group that applauds this TB-specialty? Come on. I agree with this concern, but with 2 other editors to choose from, I doubt that it's as urgent as it was before. In fact, the MicroEd complaints have all but vanished since the introduction of those two alternative editors. Before their introduction, TBUDL was constantly bombarded and this is why they were introduced in the first place. -- -=Curtis=- PGPKey: http:rsakey.aimlink.name System specs: http://specs.aimlink.name -=-=- Oxymoron: Soviet Life. pgpvzWa6C0MlH.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About release
Hello Alto Speckhardt everyone else, 01-Nov-2005 15:03, you wrote: ASK Yes, so please file the feature request This _is_ a feature request! AGH Du bringst mich an den Rand des Wahnsinns! Du sollst auf die Bugtracker-Seite gehen, und dort Deinen Feature-Request eintippen (da gibts ein separates Projekt thebat_wishes). Dann packst Du den Link zu Deinem Wunsch in eine Nachricht an die Liste, und dann können die Leute da ergänzende Kommentare dazuschreiben, um Dich in Deinem Wunsch zu unterstützen (oder auch nicht). Scheinbar liest Du überhaupt NICHT was man Dir schreibt, Du wurdest schon 3x darauf hingewiesen wie das mit den Feature-Requests funktioniert! Siehe z. B. hier: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5275. Das ist KEIN Bugreport, das ist ein Feature-Request, siehe Kategorie (Category) Feld: [The Bat! Wishes] Interface. Jetzt klar? ASK welcome to my ignore filter! Oh. Now you've gotten me - I'll have to think about suicide or something. Es würde schon reichen wenn Du einfach nur liest was man Dir schreibt, und nicht immer wieder mit dem gleichem Krempel von vorne anfängst. Bitte sieh's doch ein, füll den Feature-Request aus und dann guck wie viel Support Du bekommst, alles andere ist sinnloses Rumgelabere, wieder und wieder und wieder... die Wunschliste schauen sich die Entwickler durchaus an. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Until the day of his death, no man can be sure of his courage. -- Jean Anouilh Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Speaking of Editors
Hello tbbeta, Since we are having a discussion on editors could someone explain how the HTML editor is supposed to handle wrapping. When I reply to a message I get the blue box that is sent to a specific width, not sure what that is. When I start typing my reply it goes on until it reaches the end of the screen. Does the limit Wrap text after x characters, that says it works for all editors, not apply at all. Does it apply for the original box that is around quoted text. Just a question, do not want to start any wars. -- Stuart mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: About release
Het was op dinsdag 1 november 2005 om 15:30 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'About release' : Hoi Alexander, AGH Du bringst mich an den Rand des Wahnsinns! ASK AGH this should've been a PM. I forgot to adjust the recipient and ASK accidentally sent it to the list. Sorry sorry sorry. that explains a lot, since some of us DO understand German! :) -- groeten, Cees Before Xerox, five carbons were the maximum extension of anybody's ego __ The Bat! 3.62.08 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About release
Hello Alto, ASK Yes, so please file the feature request This _is_ a feature request! No it is not _until_ you properly log it in BugTrack. I told you in another thread but you seem to have ignored it. Please go to https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/main_page.php -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.62.08 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About release
Hello Cees, Tuesday, November 1, 2005, 3:45:20 PM, you wrote: AGH Du bringst mich an den Rand des Wahnsinns! ASK AGH this should've been a PM. I forgot to adjust the recipient and ASK accidentally sent it to the list. Sorry sorry sorry. C that explains a lot, since some of us DO understand German! :) True. Also we now know for certain that the transition to the state of (near-)madness both in German and English runs through the cry AGH! :-) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 3.62.08 MyMacros 1.11 zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (0 days 3:17:3) on Uno AMD Duron Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About release
On Tuesday, November 01, 2005 15:30 Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Sorry sorry sorry. Köstlich. ;-) -- Manuel, http://www.manuel-breitfeld.de Der Zufall ist das Pseudonym, das der liebe Gott wählt, wenn er inkognito bleiben will. -- Albert Schweitzer Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Scheduler stupidity
Hello Mike, I have determined the scheduler function is stupid. I have it set to make an incremental back-up every night at 2 AM and send me an e-mail when it is done. Last night, I intentionally deleted the back-up file/location. When I woke up, I had an error message (file not found) and cancelled the back-up, so it was never done. Guess what? Got an e-mail that said the back-up was complete. Now what happens when I automatically compress folders, do folder maintenance etc. and there is an error that I don't see or the process doesn't really complete? I will still get an e-mail that says it's complete? This is false and and can lead to problems down the line. Comments? Thoughts? Write a BT. Bug must be in a code, the boolean (that triggers the email sent to you) is set true too early to signal the success of the backup. I think, it is easy to fix. -- Vili Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
OT: Flying Bat
Hello all, (Yes, I know it is OT, please let me post just this one here) My friend sent me a link, see the cursor on my page: www.thebat.hu -- Vili Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: Flying Bat
Hello Vili everyone else, on 01-Nov-2005 at 17:50 you (Vili) wrote: My friend sent me a link, see the cursor on my page: www.thebat.hu Does not work in Opera... :-P -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: OT: Flying Bat
Het was op dinsdag 1 november 2005 om 17:53 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'OT: Flying Bat' : Hoi Alexander, My friend sent me a link, see the cursor on my page: www.thebat.hu ASK Does not work in Opera... :-P YES it DOES! Just checked it, Opera v8.5 -- groeten, Cees A blindfold can be very useful if you're telepathic. __ The Bat! 3.62.08 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: Flying Bat
Hello Cees everyone else, on 01-Nov-2005 at 17:55 you (Cees) wrote: My friend sent me a link, see the cursor on my page: www.thebat.hu ASK Does not work in Opera... :-P YES it DOES! Just checked it, Opera v8.5 Same version here. Well, never mind. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) I like the dreams of the future better than the history of the past. -- Thomas Jefferson Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.62.09 is now available
Hello All, 3.62.09 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-62.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_home_3-62.msi [-] (#0005144) UUEncoded attachments were corrupted if they were encoded using space characters instead of ` [-] New messages were not added into threads in Reference+Subject threading mode [*] Dealing with spaces in wrapped/encoded message headers should be better now [-] (#0003186) PGP/MIME encrypted messages were not decrypted if their encrypted parts had file names assigned and stored in attachment directory [-] (#0005255) List index of bounds error when changing message format in editor when the active account had empty template [-] (#0005232) redundant error message when saving attachments [-] (#0005265) Colons were missing in many header names [-] (#0005011) Message status was not available to screen readers [-] (#0004939) Ordinary user mode: It was possible to select non-logged accounts in editor [-] (#0004938) Ordinary user mode: It was possible to select non-logged accounts for send/receive [-] Alt clicking in message list was selecting whatever message appeared under mouse cursor when the mouse button was released [+] POP URL is now stated in the notification about a large message arrived into POP mailbox [-] (#0005274) it was not possible to reformat paragraphs in MicroEd after switching from HTML editor mode [*] Double clicks on the message header control now open links and add addresses to the Address Book, as in versions prior to 3.5 [-] (#0005276) Cannot restore backup if files are exist (got AV) [-] There were a bug in previous betas with S/MIME decryption. [-] (#0005264) Button Unselect all in Check for viruses dialog is not displayed whole -- Best regards, Stefan ...To err is human, but to really foul things up requires a computer. - anonymous Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.62.09 is now available
Hello Stefan! On Tuesday, November 01, 2005, 11:09 AM, you wrote: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-62.msi Up and running well. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.62.09 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About release
Hello Zygmunt, On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:16:13 +0100 GMT (01/11/2005, 15:16 +0700 GMT), Zygmunt Wereszczynski wrote: ZW In some cases I use only one universal filter which moves messages into ZW folders of names based on sender domain. The problem here is that each of the over 100 filters move messages to a folder specified by the filter. One filter per folder. However, there are several (up to over 100) domains to be filtered into each folder. ZW The trick lies in symbolic name of ZW the folder which use regular expression like this: ZW \\Your_Account\%SetPattRegexp=(?is)@(.*)%RegexpMatch(%OFromAddr) I do not understand Regex, but I assume you think that I filter to one folder per domain. This is not the case. ZW Condition for this filter may be very simple, for example, you can check if ZW sender belongs to AB group Funny thing is, my AB is completely empty at the office. There is so much fluctuation in email addresses that the updating would be a headache. If I am looking for a certain address, I use the search function on the message base. ZW or, if number of domains is small, you can check null condition. ZW Additionally, you can create such folders automatically, so sender ZW with new domain will not a problem. No, I don't want to create folders automatically. The folders are about the country the agent is in, and several agents in the same country share one folder. Some agents have offices (and the same domain) in several countries, and those few have agent folders rather than country folders. I don't even know how many hundreds of domains I filter on across several accounts, but I'd be completely helpless without TB's filtering system. With a reference to EM Level 5, I should ask NASA to have a look at it. -- Cheers, Thomas. 24 Dinge, die man beim Sex nicht sagen sollte: 8. Du bist fast so gut wie mein Ex! http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.62.07 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Scheduler stupidity
TBBETA, On 11/1/2005, 10:18 AM, you scribbled: V Write a BT. Bug must be in a code, the boolean (that triggers the V email sent to you) is set true too early to signal the success of the V backup. I think, it is easy to fix. Here's the BT link... https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5277 -- Sawadee, Mike :flag-us-tx: :flag-thailand: Using TB! 3.62.08 Home on Windows XP SP2 Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About release
Hello Stefan, On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:43:42 +0200 GMT (01/11/2005, 14:43 +0700 GMT), Stefan Tanurkov wrote: ST Macro is just another option for better flexibility (e.g. adding it to AB ST templates). True, and I use this at home. ST As you know, some macro options can be set separately from template. No, I actually don't know that. I thought macros only work in templates? ST I guess, the folder to store replies in should be set at the same ST page where reply template is located. If there is no AB template, the folder template would kick in. Is this what you mean? -- Cheers, Thomas. Things You Would Never Know Without the Movies: When a person is knocked unconscious by a blow to the head, they will never suffer a concussion or brain damage. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.62.07 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.62.09 is now available
Hello Stefan, Tuesday, November 1, 2005, 12:09:30 PM, you wrote: ST http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_home_3-62.msi Installs and overwrites userdic.tlx. -- Best regards, Richard Newman --- Using The Bat! v3.62.09 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 on a Pentium 4 1.99 GHz Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: Flying Bat
Hello Vili, On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:50:11 -0500 GMT (01/11/2005, 23:50 +0700 GMT), Vili wrote: V My friend sent me a link, see the cursor on my page: www.thebat.hu g -- Cheers, Thomas. I dare you to try and keep from smiling while imagining yourself yodeling underwater. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.62.07 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.62.09 is now available
Hi Stefan, Three issues I had are now fixed. That's great. :) Tuesday, November 1, 2005, 12:09:30 PM, you wrote: [*] Double clicks on the message header control now open links and add addresses to the Address Book, as in versions prior to 3.5 Almost there. In fact in this release you have to double-click twice to get the effect. As far as I understand, it happens because first double-click places the cursor to the header and only the second one is caught for the link/address action. -- All the best, Peter Gannushkin URL: http://downtownmusic.net/ Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: Flying Bat
Recently, Vili squawked: see the cursor on my page: www.thebat.hu Very nice Vili in my FireFox browser too!! -- Robert D. _ The Bat! Version: 3.62.08 Windows ME FireFox Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.62.09 is now available
Hi Stefan, unfortunately this is a debug version. It tries to create a file a.htm on c:\ and crashes if it can't. -- Regards, Raymund Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.62.09 is now available
Hello Stefan, Tuesday, November 1, 2005, 7:09:30 PM, among other things, you wrote: ST Hello All, ST 3.62.09 is now available from: ST http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-62.msi ST http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_home_3-62.msi This msi is still removing the userdic.tlx file. Can you please make .rar files available of any new betas until you can fix the bug which removes the dictionary file? Fortunately I still have the userdic file available from an earlier version but it is a bind to have to copy it every time into the new version. TIA -- Best regards, Roger Using The Bat!, version 3.62.09, with antispam BayesIt! 0.8.4, on Windows XP, version 5 1, build 2600 and Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.62.09 is now available
Richard, On 01-11-2005 18:42, you [RN] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: RN Installs and overwrites userdic.tlx. Well until _this_ is fixed there is no chance I will install it! -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.62.01 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. 4 POP3, 7 IMAP (UWIMAP 2002e) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Popup-menu of selected header-values
On Tuesday, November 1, 2005, at 19:27:57 [UTC+0100] (Tuesday, November 1, 2005 19:27 my local time) Thomas Lieblang wrote: when selecting a header-value (leftclick on value right to from:, to:, subject:, ...) of an eMail, and then rightclick this selection, you get a popup-menu. I can invoke this menu also by one right click. This popup-menu doesn't work as expected here. When clicking copy (from-value selected) the popup still stays open. Only a second click will close the popup. The value itself is still in the clipboard. Cannot confirm. In my TB! this pop-up menu disappear after one click and the value is placed into clipboard. When clicking open link (e.g. from-value selected) a new mail opens, with the popup over the editor-window. I cannot confirm this as well. It works as expected, without remaining menu image. The main problem seems to be that the event clicked reopens the popup after the first click. I use Windows as shown below, so may be it is Windows 98 problem? -- Best regards, Zygmunt Wereszczynski (Using The Bat! v3.62.09 in OTFE mode with BayesIt! 0.8.4 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4) Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.62.09 is now available
Roger Phillips wrote: This msi is still removing the userdic.tlx file. Can you please make .rar files available of any new betas until you can fix the bug which removes the dictionary file? If I understand this correctly, these aren't betas but finals. Look at the downloadpath ;) Michael -- Jabber [EMAIL PROTECTED] - OpenPGP 0xE59FD50D http://www.laxaron.de Um klar zu sehen, genügt oft ein Wechsel der Blickrichtung. (Antoine de Saint-Exupery) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.62.09 is now available
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005, at 19:09:30 [GMT +0200] (which was 18:09 where I live) Stefan Tanurkov wrote: 3.62.09 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-62.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_home_3-62.msi ...snipped I am having the similar AV's as in the former version when changing language Dutch to English and v.v. and also when exiting: Access violation at address 7C918FEA in module 'ntdll.dll'. Write of address 0010. Exception EAccessViolation in module thebat.exe at 4AEE. Access violation at address 00404AAEE in moduel 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 8BC3. Between these two betas I fell back to the public 3.62 and that did not give me these AV's. These last two betas are doing their best to spoil my pleasure of being a betatester :-( -- Henk M. de Bruijn __ The Bat! Natural E-Mail System version 3.62.09 Pro on Windows XP SP2 PGPkey at: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0X11EECBEEB464DD0F Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org A progressive and innovative Web of Trust pgpa43yIKtjb3.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.62.09 is now available
Hello Stefan, [-] (#0005232) redundant error message when saving attachments Fix confirmed, I closed the issue. -- Vili Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: Scheduler stupidity
Hello Mike, V Write a BT. Bug must be in a code, the boolean (that triggers the V email sent to you) is set true too early to signal the success of the V backup. I think, it is easy to fix. Here's the BT link... https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5277 I read the BT, and I started to think about it, just before I wrote that Confirmed. There is an event scheduled. At the start, you make a backup, at the finish, you generate the email. But that email will ALWAYS say that it was successful, as you made the template saying that it was a successful backup, right? So, I think the real solution somewhere would be the possibility to evaluate the result of the start action. Because now you set a mail to be set when the EVENT FINISHED, not when the START ACTION WAS SUCCESSFUL. Do you see the difference? So, for a 2nd thought, it is not really a bug, as the faulty email is not because of bad evaluation (my mistake), but the lack of evaluation... Maybe, there should be some: 'Run this action if the Start action was successful...' between the start and the finish actions... -- Vili Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.62.09 is now available
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:54:49 -0600, Greg Strong wrote: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_home_3-62.msi Installs and overwrites userdic.tlx. I suppose this is one reason the developers like the msi install option because they can learn about bugs on install, They should have learned that before releasing it on their main download page. but from the user's perspective I'd rather have the rar file without the install problem. Yeah, well. On the other hand this 3.62.09 version is supposed to be a release version (or a post release beta version, or whatever), primarily aimed at non suspecting non beta users.. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.62.09 is now available
On Tuesday, November 01, 2005 19:48 Henk M. de Bruijn wrote: These last two betas are doing their best to spoil my pleasure of being a betatester :-( Welcome on board, you are a finaltester... -- Manuel, http://www.manuel-breitfeld.de Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.62.09 is now available
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:48:22 +0100, Henk M. de Bruijn wrote: [Access Violations] Between these two betas I fell back to the public 3.62 and that did not give me these AV's. These last two betas are doing their best to spoil my pleasure of being a betatester :-( Henk, what you are trying to beta-test are the latest incarnations of the public 3.62 release version. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.62.09 is now available
Peter Fjelsten wrote on 02/11/2005 at 05:44:30 +1100 subject 3.62.09 is now available : On 01-11-2005 18:42, you [RN] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: RN Installs and overwrites userdic.tlx. Well until _this_ is fixed there is no chance I will install it! You just need to make a copy of the file an copy it back once you have finished the installation... ;) -- Sincerely Hendrik Oesterlin - email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber-IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 215599852 - MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] - YIM moimeme666fr - AIM moimeme666fr TheBat! 3.62.07 and Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.4 on Windows 2000 ___ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 1GB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.62.09 is now available
Hendrik, On 01-11-2005 21:04, you [HO] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: HO You just need to make a copy of the file an copy it back once you HO have finished the installation... ;) Yes. But as long as simple errors like this exist, I think I'll wait. ;-) -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.62.01 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. 4 POP3, 7 IMAP (UWIMAP 2002e) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.62.09 is now available
Hello Raymund Tump everyone else, on 01-Nov-2005 at 19:31 you (Raymund Tump) wrote: unfortunately this is a debug version. It tries to create a file a.htm on c:\ and crashes if it can't. Confirmed. The user must have administrative rights to use 3.62.09. Why oh why oh why don't we get a test version... -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) The nearest thing to immortality in this world is a government bureau. -- General Hugh S. Johnson Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.62.09 is now available
Hello Michael Schneider everyone else, on 01-Nov-2005 at 19:46 you (Michael Schneider) wrote: If I understand this correctly, these aren't betas but finals. Look at the downloadpath ;) I don't see any reason for putting a smiley there... -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Either he's dead or my watch has stopped. -- Groucho Marx Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: Scheduler stupidity
TBBETA, On 11/1/2005, 12:59 PM, you scribbled: V Hello Mike, V Write a BT. Bug must be in a code, the boolean (that triggers the V email sent to you) is set true too early to signal the success of the V backup. I think, it is easy to fix. Here's the BT link... https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5277 V I read the BT, and I started to think about it, just before I wrote V that Confirmed. V There is an event scheduled. At the start, you make a backup, at the V finish, you generate the email. But that email will ALWAYS say that it V was successful, as you made the template saying that it was a V successful backup, right? V So, I think the real solution somewhere would be the possibility to V evaluate the result of the start action. Because now you set a mail to V be set when the EVENT FINISHED, not when the START ACTION WAS V SUCCESSFUL. V Do you see the difference? V So, for a 2nd thought, it is not really a bug, as the faulty email is V not because of bad evaluation (my mistake), but the lack of V evaluation... V Maybe, there should be some: V 'Run this action if the Start action was successful...' between the V start and the finish actions... I agree, there are two different conditions. Unfortunately the success/failure of the scheduled function is irrelevant. I agree this may not be an actual bug, but I believe it is bad form. Imagine thinking all of your e-mails have been backed up for the last month, then one day you need them. Or the maintenance that wasn't really done until one day your mail file becomes inaccessible. -- Sawadee, Mike :flag-us-tx: :flag-thailand: Using TB! 3.62.09 Home on Windows XP SP2 Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.62.09 is now available
Alexander S. Kunz wrote: If I understand this correctly, these aren't betas but finals. Look at the downloadpath ;) I don't see any reason for putting a smiley there... Years of Ritlabs make you laugh in any situation. Michael -- Jabber [EMAIL PROTECTED] - OpenPGP 0xE59FD50D http://www.laxaron.de Um klar zu sehen, genügt oft ein Wechsel der Blickrichtung. (Antoine de Saint-Exupery) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.62.09 is now available
Raymund Tump wrote: unfortunately this is a debug version. It tries to create a file a.htm on c:\ and crashes if it can't. Hmm, 3.62.09 Brown Paper Bag release? :) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[5]: Scheduler stupidity
Hello Mike, V Maybe, there should be some: V 'Run this action if the Start action was successful...' between the V start and the finish actions... I agree, there are two different conditions. Unfortunately the success/failure of the scheduled function is irrelevant. I agree this may not be an actual bug, but I believe it is bad form. Imagine thinking all of your e-mails have been backed up for the last month, then one day you need them. Or the maintenance that wasn't really done until one day your mail file becomes inaccessible. I totally understand you. Ok, lets be constructive: go to the BT, close the issue, and send a new WISH. I will support that, as e.g. it is possible to return a result value (0 or 1) from the start action for the next one, so that can be evaluated... Hmm... Thinking further: there should be a %STARTACTIONRESULT or something macro, so: Dear Mike, IF %STARTACTIONRESULT=0 Then Sorry, backup failed IF %STARTACTIONRESULT=0 Then Sorry, backup failed Cheers, Mike's TB! (Ok, I did not use the %IF macro the right way, but something similar). All we need is a %STARTACTIONRESULT macro, and its result should be updated by TB! depending on the success of the start action, if possible... This way we dont need a 'Run this action if the Start action was successful...' type action between the start and the finish actions... Any thought? -- Vili Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.62.09 is now available
Hello Ian, RT unfortunately this is a debug version. It tries to create a file a.htm RT on c:\ and crashes if it can't. Surely something like this could have simply done a file creation check first, and then only try and create the file if it could? Yes, but when you develop, and you just do it for yourself, you dont make a checking code, do you? I dont... -- Vili Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.62.09 is now available
On Tuesday, November 1, 2005 @ 10:31:39 AM [-0700], Raymund Tump wrote: unfortunately this is a debug version. It tries to create a file a.htm on c:\ and crashes if it can't. Confirmed, sort of. My error message says it cannot find the path specified (c:\). My root drive is g:\ so this won't ever work for me. I got the error when I tried to view a nested email in a forwarded message. -- Matt Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.62.09 is now available
Hello Ian, RT unfortunately this is a debug version. It tries to create a file a.htm RT on c:\ and crashes if it can't. Surely something like this could have simply done a file creation check first, and then only try and create the file if it could? V Yes, but when you develop, and you just do it for yourself, you dont V make a checking code, do you? I dont... But The Bat! is not a personal project. But putting a small one-time use code into the main code is.. The problem is, someone forgot to take that out. I have libraries too, predefined forms in Delphi, but sometimes I just start to type: AssignFile... :) -- Vili Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.62.09 is now available
Hi Stefan, On Tue, 1 Nov 2005, at 19:09:30 [GMT +0200] (which was 18:09 where I live) you wrote about: '3.62.09 is now available' [-] (#0005144) UUEncoded attachments were corrupted if they were encoded using space characters instead of ` The attachment and the body text are now properly decoded. The only thing that I don't like is that you are changing the message source when you receive it. I know that you are doing it for performance reasons. But, as the above bug has shown, there is always the risk of a bug in the conversion code. And when that happens the change is irreversible and the attachment is permanently corrupted, unless you happen to have another copy of the email. If you would convert the message at display time you would not have this problem. I also noticed that you are creating a temp file in the Root of C:\ That should have been in the temp folder. Right ? Finally this version still produces a GPF on my machine when opening the Account Log. Since nobody else seems to have this problem, it is probably something environmental. Do you have a suggestion what it could be ? The exception is at memorty address: 00A72371. After the exception the Log window is open but empty. -- Robert van der Hulst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 3.62.09 on Windows XP.5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.62.09 is now available
Hi Alexander! unfortunately this is a debug version. It tries to create a file a.htm on c:\ and crashes if it can't. Confirmed. The user must have administrative rights to use 3.62.09. Not really, I always work with user priviliges. Now I created a a.htm file and gave it full access right s for the user account. Why oh why oh why don't we get a test version... Well we got :-) Happened a while ago, too. -- so long and thanks for all the fish, Raymund Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Auto-Sending Deferred email in 3 62 09
I see that I have the appropriate boxes still checked/unchecked so that when I complete writing an email, and use left upper tab, to *put in Outbox*. However, a few seconds later the email is sent. This just happened to an email going to Petrari. I was trying to see why the email was NOT clear-signed, as my macros would usually do, then suddenly it disappeared and was gulpS-E-N-Tmust be Halloween? And, as usual, despite making the User Dictionary Read only, the msi over-wrote the UserDict ... I did have the usual back-up though and replaced the over-written one. -- Regards, Robert D. _ The Bat! Version: 3.62.09 Windows ME FireFox Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Edit Event action changes to Chinese
Well, I made an event, which did run correctly. Then I decided to edit the event. After I clicked to close the edit portion, I noticed the recently added event was now all Chinese characters. This is a problem since I have trouble enough with English. -- Regards, Robert D. _ The Bat! Version: 3.62.09 Windows ME FireFox Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Edit Event action changes to Chinese
TBBETA, On 11/1/2005, 04:36 PM, you scribbled: RD Well, I made an event, which did run correctly. Then I decided to edit RD the event. After I clicked to close the edit portion, I noticed the RD recently added event was now all Chinese characters. This is a problem RD since I have trouble enough with English. We had a BT in for that and it was (supposedly) fixed in .07. My text is all in English, however, when I wen in and added a couple of folders to my daily maintenance, it reverted back to Chinese and blanks. Guess it wasn't fully fixed... You want to do the BT or shall I? -- Sawadee, Mike :flag-us-tx: :flag-thailand: Using TB! 3.62.09 Home on Windows XP SP2 Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Edit Event action changes to Chinese
Recently, Mike Rourke squawked: Guess it wasn't fully fixed... You want to do the BT or shall I? well, I sent an email *bug report* from the pull-down options in TB! Are you saying there is a more direct way to do it? Anyway, as I said WRT this particular error, I emailed RIT just before I wrote to the list here. -- Robert D. _ The Bat! Version: 3.62.09 Windows ME FireFox Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Edit Event action changes to Chinese
TBBETA, On 11/1/2005, 05:15 PM, you scribbled: RD Recently, Mike Rourke squawked: Guess it wasn't fully fixed... You want to do the BT or shall I? RD well, I sent an email *bug report* from the pull-down options in TB! RD Are you saying there is a more direct way to do it? Anyway, as I said RD WRT this particular error, I emailed RIT just before I wrote to the RD list here. Never used the pull down option, not how or if it works. Usually go to the RIT bug tracking site https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/main_page.php and file a report there. -- Sawadee, Mike :flag-us-tx: :flag-thailand: Using TB! 3.62.09 Home on Windows XP SP2 Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Edit Event action changes to Chinese
Recently, Mike Rourke squawked: TBBETA, On 11/1/2005, 05:15 PM, you scribbled: RD Recently, Mike Rourke squawked: Guess it wasn't fully fixed... You want to do the BT or shall I? https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/main_page.php and file a report there. went there. opened new account. got confirmation email. clicked link. got confirmation with new page to set passwords and so forth. did that and got error message on that page that account locked. tried to log in again from a clean start and still get this: Your account may be disabled or blocked or the username/password you entered is incorrect. gave up after several tries of the spelling and caps and so on. But I know that's not the issue -- Robert D. _ The Bat! Version: 3.62.09 Windows ME FireFox Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Large message (was:: 3.62.09 is now available)
Hello Stefan, On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:09:30 +0200 GMT (02/11/2005, 00:09 +0700 GMT), Stefan Tanurkov wrote: ST [+] POP URL is now stated in the notification about a large message ST arrived into POP mailbox And it works! Thank you. The mail despatcher opens in the background though. Like with other situations when I open the despatcher manually, I would need it to open in the foreground. Can you make it open in the foreground? -- Cheers, Thomas. We are the people our parents warned us about. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.62.09 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: Flying Bat
On Tuesday, November 1, 2005, 10:55:32 AM, Cees wrote: YES it DOES! Just checked it, Opera v8.5 the bat is closer to the cursor there than in my IE -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 3.62.08 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.62.09 is now available
Hello Stefan, Tuesday, November 1, 2005, you wrote to me: ST [*] Double clicks on the message header control now open links and add ST addresses to the Address Book, as in versions prior to 3.5 Apparently links don't work at all. POPFile creates headers like: http://127.0.0.1:8080/jump_to_message?view=popfile214451=326.msg. Double-click on such headers/links worded just fine in 3.0.x. Now it does nothing. -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin URL: http://downtownmusic.net/ Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.62.09 is now available
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005, at 20:40:35 [GMT +0100] (which was 20:40 where I live) Arjan De Groot wrote: On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:48:22 +0100, Henk M. de Bruijn wrote: [Access Violations] Between these two betas I fell back to the public 3.62 and that did not give me these AV's. These last two betas are doing their best to spoil my pleasure of being a betatester :-( Henk, what you are trying to beta-test are the latest incarnations of the public 3.62 release version. I know, I should have written versions. I read in TBUDL that there are more users experiencing these AV's. I use Bayes Filter plugin but removing that one did not help. That also goes for closing all other minimized programs :-( -- Henk M. de Bruijn __ The Bat! Natural E-Mail System version 3.62.09 Pro on Windows XP SP2 PGPkey at: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0X11EECBEEB464DD0F Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org A progressive and innovative Web of Trust Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.62.09 is now available
Hello Peter, On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PG Double-click on such headers/links worded just fine in 3.0.x. Now it PG does nothing. I found that too but, if you hold the RMB down and then do the double click it works. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.62.09 with SpamPal POP3 account | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro 3.0.543.5722 (431) and no Plug-ins http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.62.09 is now available
RN Installs and overwrites userdic.tlx. Well until _this_ is fixed there is no chance I will install it! Just extract the Data1.cab file from the msi file and extract thebat.exe.B87e4FD865-whatever from that and save it as thebat.exe -- Peter Blabla Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.62.09 is now available
Peter Hofman wrote: Just extract the Data1.cab file from the msi file and extract thebat.exe.B87e4FD865-whatever from that and save it as thebat.exe Jepp. That is what an end-user wants from a final release. a) debug-code which doesn't work without administrator rights b) the need to extract files from the msi-file to protect his settings from being overwritten by the installation. *thumb up* Michael -- Jabber [EMAIL PROTECTED] - OpenPGP 0xE59FD50D http://www.laxaron.de Um klar zu sehen, genügt oft ein Wechsel der Blickrichtung. (Antoine de Saint-Exupery) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
