Re: The Bat! 4.0
Sveiki, Hello all, Sunday, October 14, 2007, Sebastian Murawski wrote: When version change and you must pay for new licence? Yes, I expect really big changes and privately one little bugfix (regression fix) - https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5690. did You paid for upgrade from 3.0 to 3.0.1, from 3.0.1 to 3.5, from 3.5 from 3.7 etc? And what are major improvements, new major features in this v3 builds? I remember one feature that now not exists. new filtering system, new customiser, rewritten message list pane, Unicode in many parts, Vista support etc. We've got new filtering system and a native XP look during v2.x beta cycle. Why rewrite it a third time? Ritlabs just don't get it. Users that use MAPI or IMAP does filtering ON THE SERVER. And they use IMAP's folder syncronization. That's they even doesn't need Voyager. Let's face it: TB! is long time pop3 client and it is still is. Most TB! features is for POP3 users (filters, antivirus/spam plugins, posibility to have it on the USB stick, etc.). For people that just want a working email client with their business inboxes it is not that atractive option anymore. -- Best regards, Vilius Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0
Hello TheBat Beta List Members!!! Someday, and that was in morning, Hans wrote something like this: I am a registered user of The Bat! but also of Pocomail, try this program, has a lot of features, The Bat! does not have! Or try Mokum Mail, http://www.blokker.net/whatsnew.htm As a registered user I always use this very safe program Thanks for advice, but there is no other email software that have so superb message templates implementation. Maybe sometimes it is buggy but with this all bugs is excellent. -- Thanks and best regards, Sebastian Murawski Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
10/14/2007 5:34 AM Hi Sebastian, On 10/13/2007 Sebastian Murawski wrote: SM I paid also for v2 and remember promise about newsgroup support. I SM paid for this promise to. I do not recall this being a promise. -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.99.4 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
10/14/2007 5:38 AM Hi Hans, On 10/14/2007 Hans Stam wrote: HS I am a registered user of The Bat! but also of Pocomail, try this HS program, has a lot of features, The Bat! does not have! HS Or try Mokum Mail, http://www.blokker.net/whatsnew.htm HS As a registered user I always use this very safe program Hmm... HTML and no sig delimiter. Here comes the trout! I hope Pocomail is more stable for you than me! -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.99.4 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
10/14/2007 5:49 AM Hi Hans, On 10/14/2007 Hans Stam wrote: Or try Mokum Mail, http://www.blokker.net/whatsnew.htm As a registered user I always use this very safe program This is entertainment, not email. How safe is HTML only? Where are the email features? It looks like a crippled Dutch version of Incredimail. At least PocoMail has email features...not enough...not fast enough... -- Take Care, Paul Van Noord Voyager v.3.99.4 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
10/14/2007 5:59 AM Hi Vilius, On 10/14/2007 Vilius Šumskas wrote: VŠ We've got new filtering system and a native XP look during v2.x beta cycle. Why rewrite it VŠ a third time? Ritlabs just don't get it. Users that use MAPI or IMAP VŠ does filtering ON THE SERVER. And they use IMAP's folder VŠ syncronization. That's they even doesn't need Voyager. Let's face it: TB! VŠ is long time pop3 client and it is still is. Most TB! features is for VŠ POP3 users (filters, antivirus/spam plugins, posibility to have it on VŠ the USB stick, etc.). For people that just want a working VŠ email client with their business inboxes it is not that atractive VŠ option anymore. You are entitled to speak for yourself. Now do something for yourself and go use a program that focuses on your specific needs instead of crying about one that doesn't. Voyager has been a literal life saver for me and many customers who are in parts of the world where it is mandatory to have one's email literally in their pocket to avoid persecution and possible death. -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.99.4 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0
Hello TheBat Beta List Members!!! Someday, and that was in night, Marek wrote something like this: When version change and you must pay for new licence? Yes, I expect really big changes and privately one little bugfix (regression fix) - https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5690. did You paid for upgrade from 3.0 to 3.0.1, from 3.0.1 to 3.5, from 3. 5 from 3.7 etc? And what are major improvements, new major features in this v3 builds? I remember one feature that now not exists. new filtering system, new customiser, rewritten message list pane, Unicode in many parts, Vista support etc. And in v4 we have plans for: - improved Unicode support - new GUI = new customiser, message list pane? [+] First usable new filtering system this feature is from TB 2.13 Lucky Beta1 And something about RIT updates: http://fileforum.betanews.com/review/942557075/2/view I do not remember all, some things can be major for You, some for another, for example downloading images to HTML is major for You, not for me - I like filtering system a lot... HTML images are not so important for me. For newsletters I use this http://konrad_sz.republika.pl/tb/htmlpics.htm old version http://konrad_sz.republika.pl/tb/htmlpics_old.htm But this is not for normal users. V3 was developed more than 3 years and You paid once only. Why You expect, all things will be introduced in 4.0? I paid also for v2 and remember promise about newsgroup support. I paid for this promise to. I really do not remember, RITLabs officialy promised this, You can read about this in interview with Stefan Tanurkov - 10 January 2000 are You really need this yet? No, I do not need. I work with local mail2news gateway - Hamster. For me Scoring system (like in 40tude - with NFS this is very good feature for discussion lists, emails, newsgroup gateways, antyspam ...) will be enough, but for normal people that want to use newsgroups? Tbird ore OE is answer? Like you can see, things that TB can not do I make with NFS, macros or gateways. But this is not for normal users - it is to difficult, not ergonomic. Here you have what other clients have: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_e-mail_clients In this comparison I create myself many thing about TB, new tables and features. There is question: maybe it is better to answer about IMAP in TB - 'Yes, works in 50%' or something like that? All questions with answer - 'Yes, with plugin' after v4 will be No. Why not wait when this two things are ready and then give users v4? because downloading images to HTML messages is much easier and is almost finished, templates affects more parts of program. You can say that for sure html templates will be available in v4 and this will be not next major version? Im not so sure. You have right, I do not know this for sure, but Max confirmed me, HTML templates are in list of planned features for V4 in 2008. Like usenet support. -- Thanks and best regards, Sebastian Murawski Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0
Hello TheBat Beta List Members!!! Someday, and that was in afternoon, Paul wrote something like this: Voyager has been a literal life saver for me and many customers who are in parts of the world where it is mandatory to have one's email literally in their pocket to avoid persecution and possible death. DynBat, MobileBat, TheBatch or JavaScript Mobilbat - that was before Voyager and works with full TheBat Pro version. Voyager is only Home version with OTFE password protection. -- Thanks and best regards, Sebastian Murawski Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
10/14/2007 6:42 AM Hi Sebastian, On 10/14/2007 Sebastian Murawski wrote: SM DynBat, MobileBat, TheBatch or JavaScript Mobilbat - that was before SM Voyager and works with full TheBat Pro version. Voyager is only Home SM version with OTFE password protection. In your own words, But this is not for normal users - it is to difficult, not ergonomic. Also, I work in English. -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.99.4 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0
Sveiki, 10/14/2007 5:59 AM Hi Vilius, On 10/14/2007 Vilius �umskas wrote: V� We've got new filtering system and a native XP look during v2.x beta cycle. Why rewrite it V� a third time? Ritlabs just don't get it. Users that use MAPI or IMAP V� does filtering ON THE SERVER. And they use IMAP's folder V� syncronization. That's they even doesn't need Voyager. Let's face it: TB! V� is long time pop3 client and it is still is. Most TB! features is for V� POP3 users (filters, antivirus/spam plugins, posibility to have it on V� the USB stick, etc.). For people that just want a working V� email client with their business inboxes it is not that atractive V� option anymore. You are entitled to speak for yourself. Now do something for yourself and go use a program that focuses on your specific needs instead of crying about one that doesn't. Voyager has been a literal life saver for me and many customers who are in parts of the world where it is mandatory to have one's email literally in their pocket to avoid persecution and possible death. I think you don't understand IMAP concept very well. It was created exactly for that kind of situations. You can access your emails in ANY PART of the world from one central place (e.g. the server). And you can do this without connecting to the internet because message base is cached on EVERY CLIENT you are using. Moreover if you don't have _your_ laptop around, most organizations had implemented webmail access for this. I hope you heard of such things as IMP, Zimbra or Outlook Web Access. By the way I don't use TB! for production nor at home nor at the office anymore and never looked back. I have one copy on my test machine though. And I'm not crying, I want to express my opinion on the things that's going on at Ritlabs for couple of last years. If there will be no viable bug fixes when 4.0 goes Gold I think I will leave TB! completely. -- Best regards, Vilius Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0
Hello all, Sunday, October 14, 2007, Sebastian Murawski wrote: And in v4 we have plans for: - improved Unicode support - new GUI = new customiser, message list pane? [+] First usable new filtering system this feature is from TB 2.13 Lucky Beta1 yes, this was 3.0 beta cycle, but for betatesters it was started as 2.13 with using old reg codes. And something about RIT updates: http://fileforum.betanews.com/review/942557075/2/view do You really trust fileforum comments? some of users who rated it with one star did not saw thebat yet... You can read about this in interview with Stefan Tanurkov - 10 January 2000 Yes, I know this interview and there is nothing about it will be surely implemented and when. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.99.24 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, NOD32 Antivirus plugin and AntispamSniper v 2.6.1.5 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 1 GB RAM Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
10/14/2007 8:12 AM Hi Vilius, On 10/14/2007 Vilius Šumskas wrote: VŠ I think you don't understand IMAP concept very well. It was created VŠ exactly for that kind of situations. You can access your emails in ANY PART of the VŠ world from one central place (e.g. the server). And you can do this VŠ without connecting to the internet because message base is cached on VŠ EVERY CLIENT you are using. I beg to differ. Having a message base reside on a server is exactly what needs to be avoided. The message base that resides in encrypted form on the flash drive in my pocket is under my control. I will need to be killed for someone to have access to it. I will not be killed because someone hacked a server to find me or find a reason to kill me. IMAP is exactly what I do _not_ want! -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.99.4 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0
Sveiki, I beg to differ. Having a message base reside on a server is exactly what needs to be avoided. The message base that resides in encrypted form on the flash drive in my pocket is under my control. I will need to be killed for someone to have access to it. I will not be killed because someone hacked a server to find me or find a reason to kill me. IMAP is exactly what I do _not_ want! Oh please, don't be so into secret service. I work with journalists, people from EU commission and UN and none of them are as paranoid as you are. -- Best regards, Vilius Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0
I beg to differ. Having a message base reside on a server is exactly what needs to be avoided. The message base that resides in encrypted form on the flash drive in my pocket is under my control. I will need to be killed for someone to have access to it. I will not be killed because someone hacked a server to find me or find a reason to kill me. IMAP is exactly what I do _not_ want! OK. Let me put it this way. It doesn't matter what are you using POP3 or IMAP4. If your mail server is breached then message base is compromised anyway. Moreover messages can be intercepted before it even reaches your server. So that's why you should be using PGP/SMIME if your life depends on what you send. If you are using PGP or SMIME your messages are safe on a server also independetly what you are using POP3 or IMAP4. And if you don't trust PGP/SMIME encryption and are working for secret government and you chose such unsecure collaboration method as email, you should be using your goverments email server which is behind triple firewall with double encrypted internet connection on constantly monitored :) I hope this answers every aspect that you can come up with. -- Best regards, Vilius Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
The Bat! 3.99.25
We've made two major bug fixes in 3.99.24: [-] When a folder database is destroyed, TB! tries to restore it from a backup file (major fix) [-] There were no scroll bars in the internal image viewer There were three minor changes: [*] Under Windows XP Professional x64 Edition, Windows Vista and later or Windows Server 2003 SP1, Windows Server 2008 and later, The Bat! uses the new advanced API call RegGetValue to read string configuration from the Registry. [*] The Bat! now uses the new format of Authenticode signatures. The new format provides a description of the signed content and the URL with more information about the signed content. [*] New, native Windows Vista file open and save dialogs are used under this version of Windows. http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-99-25.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_3-99-25.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack_3-99-25.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_rus_3-99-25.msi Please test these files whether they work properly. We would like to replace 3.99.24 with these files on the site in 2-3 days. Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Hans, I am a registered user of The Bat! but also of Pocomail, try this program, has a lot of features, The Bat! does not have! Or try Mokum Mail, http://www.blokker.net/whatsnew.htm As a registered user I always use this very safe program Hans Thanks, I didn't know about Mokum. Yes, it is much easier to be an impressive email client if you don't consider Imap performance, or if the client doesn't do it at all. It is true that Poco looks a lot better if you don't consider Imap. -- Gleason Using 3.99.24 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Vilius, And what are major improvements, new major features in this v3 builds? I remember one feature that now not exists. new filtering system, new customiser, rewritten message list pane, Unicode in many parts, Vista support etc. We've got new filtering system and a native XP look during v2.x beta cycle. Why rewrite it a third time? Essentially, Thunderbird makes this necessary. Ritlabs just don't get it. Users that use MAPI or IMAP does filtering ON THE SERVER. Server sieves (as Mulberry calls them) are limited compared to what a client can do, and TB does. And they use IMAP's folder syncronization. That's they even doesn't need Voyager. Let's face it: TB! is long time pop3 client and it is still is. Every client out there is limited by its history. Mulberry started as an Imap client, Agent started as a newsreader, and in both cases their treatment of POP shows it. Eudora's and Pocomail's Imap clearly suffers for the same reason. I think the critics would do well to show us a complete Imap client that does not have difficulties of some sort. In fact, I dearly wish they would. I have looked hard and long for such a thing. -- Gleason Using 3.99.24 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 3.99.25
Het was zondag 14 oktober 2007 om 15:30 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'The Bat! 3.99.25' : Hallo Maxim, MM Please test these files whether they work properly. We would like to MM replace 3.99.24 with these files on the site in 2-3 days. up and running! -- Groeten, Cees :snowrub: The sum of society's intelligence is less than the average of it's individual parts. __ The Bat! 3.99.25 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 3.99.25
Hello Maxim, Please test these files these two bugs are further present in v3.99.25 MSI. - The message databases from a backup and from accounts made newly, aren't removed if I uninstall TB!. - Reg entries aren't removed if I uninstall The Bat! - The restore is aborted with an error message. The attach folder and the account settings were not generated. There is no way to restore the backup completely. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4963 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4739 -- Best regards Miroslav BAT-MAIL.DE.VU - http://bat-mail.de.vu Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0
On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 16:22:24 +0300, Vilius umskas wrote: I beg to differ. Having a message base reside on a server is exactly what needs to be avoided. The message base that resides in encrypted form on the flash drive in my pocket is under my control. I will need to be killed for someone to have access to it. I will not be killed because someone hacked a server to find me or find a reason to kill me. IMAP is exactly what I do _not_ want! OK. Let me put it this way. It doesn't matter what are you using POP3 or IMAP4. If your mail server is breached then message base is compromised anyway. [] I might add that imo carrying sensitive information around in a hostile environment is always riskier than keeping it in the relative safety of a server. If you get caught by unfriendly forces a little bit of applied pressure may all be all that's needed to reveal the hidden secrets of your flash drive. Arjan Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 3.99.25
Hello all, Sunday, October 14, 2007, Maxim Masiutin wrote: We've made two major bug fixes in 3.99.24: [-] When a folder database is destroyed, TB! tries to restore it from a backup file (major fix) how this works please? do You try to save correct messages AND merge them with backup? Or restore backup over destroyed msgbase? did You added new strings, so translation is needed? [-] There were no scroll bars in the internal image viewer confirm as fixed, btw this fix is not included in changelog readme.txt There were three minor changes: running correctly w/ with w/o OTFE -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.99.25 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, NOD32 Antivirus plugin and AntispamSniper v 2.6.1.5 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 1 GB RAM Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0
Ritlabs just don't get it. Users that use MAPI or IMAP does filtering ON THE SERVER. Server sieves (as Mulberry calls them) are limited compared to what a client can do, and TB does. It depends on the server you are using. For example Cyrus Sieve filtering system is as advanced as TB! if not more. You can filter by virtually any factor of the message (From:, Subject:, X-Spam: headers, body etc.) also you can match strings with regexps and tell what server should do with them (discard, move to folder, copy to folder, etc.). You can even rewrite parts of the message. -- Best regards, Vilius Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 3.99.25
Hello all, Sunday, October 14, 2007, Maxim Masiutin wrote: [-] When a folder database is destroyed, TB! tries to restore it from a backup file (major fix) how this works please? do You try to save correct messages AND merge them with backup? Or restore backup over destroyed msgbase? By the word backup here we have ment the file ACCOUNT.~FLB so You use ACCOUNT.~FLB from disc if ACCOUNT.FLB is corrupted? OK, this understandable now :-) -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.99.25 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, NOD32 Antivirus plugin and AntispamSniper v 2.6.1.5 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 1 GB RAM Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0
Hello Sebastian, On Saturday, October 13, 2007 Sebastian Murawski wrote: Hello TheBat Beta List Members!!! Someday, and that was in evening, Marek wrote something like this: So 1. GUI - like in v3 upgrade afaik we can expect huge change in V4, nothing small as themes in V3 OK, but this is still only GUI - maybe big changes but this is still cosmetic thing for me. TB will look nicer. I think you miss the point of what UI is. The way you think about it seems to rather remind skins than GUI rework. The the truth is that GUI is not about the way TB looks, but about the way TB interacts with users. For quite a time I claim that GUI needs to be reworked heavily. There are many advanced features available in TB, but they are hard to use or at least they're not intuitive. Changing this and ensuring that more users will be able to use the features that already exist is a very valid thing to do. 2. Account wizard - it works now? .dsi files hmmm … It's a nice feature for newcomers. This is something that could make at least some people switch from webmails to proper way of using email. Therefore I support it. What normal user expect is: 1. HTML templates afaik we can expect them next year in 4.x However I agree with the idea, I strongly believe the first step would be to have proper HTML viewer, since the current one is way off. If anybody asked me, using a 3rd party viewer would ba a way to go. 2. HTML pictures I hope we will see it in 4.0 already. Why not wait when this two things are ready and then give users v4? I think this is a question of how long beta cycle we wish to have. RITs could introduce 4.0 betas and make a release 1,5 year later with all the features ready. Or they could divide it into parts and make 3 or 4 releases in between. Of course the licensing policy comes in way -- with more releases on a way, users will have to pay earlier for things that are to come later. In an opposite situation users will have to wait for new features till the day when all of them are ready (all planned features that is). Both ways have advantages and disadvantages. I prefer the way currently chosen, for I strongly suspect I will buy v4 eventually, so I'd prefer to do that sooner rather than later. 3. Account like in OE (example: one Incoming folder for couple Accounts) nice, but I do not expect this. And You can use common filters, do not You? Yes, I know how to cheat this behavior, but this is not 100% OE style. I believe you can set everything so that it works exactly as in OE. It takes some work though. Sure this could be automated. We can not wait? Or RITs can not wait to add really big changes and then go to v4? Major version comes with major improvements/changes. If you look at TB!'s history you'll see that progress is continuous and made in small steps. Only big companies can afford to make one big release every two-three years. I prefer to have a constant flow of new releases for this makes it possible for me to influence the development by stating my opinions. 8. Linux version I do not think, we will ever see The Bat! under Linux, if will be developed in Delphi. And really do not think, You can do business in this platform, nobody wants to pay for apps, because everything is free. I believe there's no need to rewrite the program's code. Just use WINE. There used to exist commercial programs released for Linux using WINE and they were fine. Nowadays, when computers are faster and faster, the question of having additional layer between the program and an OS is not any more a big issue -- nobody measures program's speed with a stopper. It would be enough to test TB under WINE and this way support Linux users. If a certain feature can't be supported, TB should degrade nicely so that users still can do their basic work. BTW I paid for v2 and v3. Now I will consider to buy v4 in one polish newspaper (Komputer Swiat) that offers TB full license (without update) for 2,5 Euro. List with full versions are here: http://www.ks-ekspert.pl/archiwum/info/pne/index.html Well, this is why a licensed copy is distributed through that magazine. You are absolutely allowed to use that version, so what's your point? For sure this policy gives profits to RITlabs, since otherwise they wouldn't continue the cooperation with KS. Regards, KT -- Krzysztof Trybowski Gadu-Gadu: 1458144 --- Skype: trybowski AQQ: 141062 --- ICQ: 4350719 --- gpg key-id: 0xC937B0F2 Using The Bat! 3.99.24 [reg] under Windows XP 5.1 build 2600. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 3.99.25
Hello Maxim, Sunday, October 14, 2007, 3:30:37 PM, among other things, you wrote: MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_3-99-25.msi MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack_3-99-25.msi Both installed without any problem. -- Best regards, Roger :flag-southafrica: The Bat! v3.99.25 with AntiSpamSniper 2.6.1.2, on Windows XP, version 5 1, build 2600 and Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
10/14/2007 12:29 PM Hi Vilius, On 10/14/2007 Vilius Šumskas wrote: VŠ I hope this answers every aspect that you can come up with. Messages that reside for an hour or two on a highly encrypted server that are exchanged between accounts on the same server and then are _permanently_ deleted at the time of retrieval are the next best thing to exchanging highly encrypted messages directly between 2 parties where there is no intermediary. I am closing this discussion because apparently we will always differ. -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.99.4 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0
Hello TheBat Beta List Members!!! Someday, and that was in afternoon, Paul wrote something like this: In your own words, But this is not for normal users - it is to difficult, not ergonomic. You see this application even one time? Example: is it for you difficult to extract zip archive to folder and then run one bat file and after this open thebat with other then thebat.exe file? Then you can try usenet and use (or even only setup) TheBat with Hamster - maybe you see difference. -- Thanks and best regards, Sebastian Murawski Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0
Hello TheBat Beta List Members!!! Someday, and that was in afternoon, Marek wrote something like this: And something about RIT updates: http://fileforum.betanews.com/review/942557075/2/view do You really trust fileforum comments? some of users who rated it with one star did not saw thebat yet... And many that write posts saying true. Rating is not for me important. You can read about this in interview with Stefan Tanurkov - 10 January 2000 Yes, I know this interview and there is nothing about it will be surely implemented and when. OK, so I will wait for plugin or internal implementation. 7 years and we do not have nothing. This is good example for HTM templates - Max confirmed me, HTML templates are in list of planned features for V4 in 2008. LG There is a rumor floating around that TB will include a usenet LG news reader. Is this true? ST I think so. We still have not decided on what it will look like - ST as a plug-in or as a built-in function... -- Thanks and best regards, Sebastian Murawski Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0
Hello TheBat Beta List Members!!! Someday, and that was in afternoon, Krzysztof wrote something like this: So 1. GUI - like in v3 upgrade afaik we can expect huge change in V4, nothing small as themes in V3 OK, but this is still only GUI - maybe big changes but this is still cosmetic thing for me. TB will look nicer. I think you miss the point of what UI is. The way you think about it seems to rather remind skins than GUI rework. The the truth is that GUI is not about the way TB looks, but about the way TB interacts with users. For quite a time I claim that GUI needs to be reworked heavily. There are many advanced features available in TB, but they are hard to use or at least they're not intuitive. Changing this and ensuring that more users will be able to use the features that already exist is a very valid thing to do. But this is still old TB with only little improvements. Engine is still the some. 2. Account wizard - it works now? .dsi files hmmm … It's a nice feature for newcomers. This is something that could make at least some people switch from webmails to proper way of using email. Therefore I support it. I also support this feature, but this is not feature that is so important that we must change TB version or buy license update. 2. HTML pictures I hope we will see it in 4.0 already. Why not wait when this two things are ready and then give users v4? I think this is a question of how long beta cycle we wish to have. RITs could introduce 4.0 betas and make a release 1,5 year later with all the features ready. Or they could divide it into parts and make 3 or 4 releases in between. Of course the licensing policy comes in way -- with more releases on a way, users will have to pay earlier for things that are to come later. In an opposite situation users will have to wait for new features till the day when all of them are ready (all planned features that is). Both ways have advantages and disadvantages. I prefer the way currently chosen, for I strongly suspect I will buy v4 eventually, so I'd prefer to do that sooner rather than later. And this small steps bring us to point: 1. There is no new plugins and old are not developed 2. Big discussion lists and forums, sites slowly dying (tb-l, bat-mail.de.vu, pstb, TheBat! World) - no new users, no new posts, no new news. Tell me why this happen? 3. Account like in OE (example: one Incoming folder for couple Accounts) nice, but I do not expect this. And You can use common filters, do not You? Yes, I know how to cheat this behavior, but this is not 100% OE style. I believe you can set everything so that it works exactly as in OE. No. When you know how to do that please answer for this posts: http://thebat.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1246 http://thebat.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?id=934 http://thebat.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?id=169 http://thebat.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1053 http://thebat.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?id=377 http://thebat.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?id=35 -- Thanks and best regards, Sebastian Murawski Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0
Vilius, On 13-10-2007 12:12, you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: And by the way I'm using Office 2007 and Outlook Express at work at the moment and as a long time IMAP user (like 7 years), I still think that their IMAP is superior (I'm not talking about other their stuff though). I agree, . I hate the other missing features in Outlook 2007 but it handles IMAP way better than TB ever did. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.99.3 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. 2 POP3, 14 IMAP (Courier) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 200K+ msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Sebastian, And this small steps bring us to point: 1. There is no new plugins and old are not developed 2. Big discussion lists and forums, sites slowly dying (tb-l, bat-mail.de.vu, pstb, TheBat! World) - no new users, no new posts, no new news. Tell me why this happen? A subject that has had some discussion in other email client lists. The most important problem for all clients, I think, is that young people mostly prefer webmail. No setup, and if it isn't working, somebody else will fix it real soon. In my case, I recently had the example of a friend of a friend whose son set her up with Hotmail as an introduction to using email. No amount of explaining advantages could convince her to do more than that. Just be simple and work please, and since I don't know anything about anything, let my son get it going for me. I believe you can set everything so that it works exactly as in OE. No. When you know how to do that please answer for this posts: Oh, Lord, why would anybody want another email client that acts like OE? If that is what you want, OE is free after all, and so is Foxmail for that matter. -- Gleason Using 3.99.25 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 3.99.25
Hello Maxim, http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-99-25.msi Installed and running fine. [-] There were no scroll bars in the internal image viewer Fixed. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.99.25 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Sebastian, In my case, I recently had the example of a friend of a friend whose son set her up with Hotmail as an introduction to using email. No amount of explaining advantages could convince her to do more than that. Just be simple and work please, and since I don't know anything about anything, let my son get it going for me. But this is not only new users or young people problem but also old? Why old useres for example changing TB for Tbird? Yes, as I said a while ago, the success of Tbird is one of the issues that Rit must deal with very soon. And I think glitter is very much a part of Tbird's appeal. I believe you can set everything so that it works exactly as in OE. No. When you know how to do that please answer for this posts: Oh, Lord, why would anybody want another email client that acts like OE? If that is what you want, When you read this topics on forum my nick is lazik - you will know that this is not my request and you will know why I not recommend OE like setup. I only want to say that new users that changing email client want OE like interface. That is all. Understood. Be simple and work. Also new and shiny helps. Actually, TB is not going to be simple, and people who have a lot of special email needs don't want it to be. The problem is that this is a rather small part of the overall email client market, and there are 10-15 other clients all aiming for that same group. TB really needs to stand out. Appearance is an important part of that. -- Gleason Using 3.99.25 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0
Hello Sebastian, On Sunday, October 14, 2007 Sebastian Murawski wrote: I think you miss the point of what UI is. The way you think about it seems to rather remind skins than GUI rework. The the truth is that GUI is not about the way TB looks, but about the way TB interacts with users. For quite a time I claim that GUI needs to be reworked heavily. There are many advanced features available in TB, but they are hard to use or at least they're not intuitive. Changing this and ensuring that more users will be able to use the features that already exist is a very valid thing to do. But this is still old TB with only little improvements. Engine is still the some. Define engine. How does engine differ from feature set? Why do you claim engine is bad? Unless you have access to TB! internals, you can't tell. You can only judge by bugs in features -- which surely exist. But this doesn't mean, that reworking the UI means little progress. Of course it depends on how it will be done, and we really don't know that. But if the UI rework is done right, the progress will be very remarkable! New UI could make us able to use currently existing features, that are now a pain to use (quite a few of them). Hence, the new UI has a significance of all such features, even if they already exist. And one more thing -- the UI hasn't been reworked since the very beginning. There were just some small VISUAL enhancements by ver 3.5. New icons I don't count at all -- that's skinning and has nothing to do with UI improvements. It's really high time for UI rework! This is as far as UI rework is concerned. BUT... in general I agree that many features need to be improved and introduced. Whether the progress will justify paying for the licence again is yet to be seen. And this small steps bring us to point: 1. There is no new plugins and old are not developed 2. Big discussion lists and forums, sites slowly dying (tb-l, bat-mail.de.vu, pstb, TheBat! World) - no new users, no new posts, no new news. What's the connection between making new releases often and the above points? Tell me why this happen? I suspect a quite a big number of reasons are involved. Frequency of releases being a lesser one. I'd roughly say: -- company's management being inefficient (this includes PR, community cooperation, project management). -- quality management being down (lack of proper testing, leading to a programme being somewhat uneven -- some versions are stabile, while other are beta-quality. -- unclear rules of setting future goals, unrevealed roadmaps (which brings me the suspicion of non-existent roadmaps), lack of official wishlist with some sort of enduser preference checking. -- lack of vision But I look forward to v4. This may be a new era if only bigger pressure is put on quality. 3. Account like in OE (example: one Incoming folder for couple Accounts) Yes, I know how to cheat this behavior, but this is not 100% OE style. I believe you can set everything so that it works exactly as in OE. No. When you know how to do that please answer for this posts: Can you tell exactly which parts of OE style can't be set up in TB using currently existing features? I find it unclear, since... http://thebat.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1246 http://thebat.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?id=934 http://thebat.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?id=169 http://thebat.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1053 http://thebat.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?id=377 http://thebat.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?id=35 ...none of these posts contains a detailed question that could lead to a conclusion that it not true that you can set everything so that it works exactly as in OE. Hence I re-state my assertion: I believe you can set everything so that it works exactly as in OE. You do this using filters, common folders, color groups. This is too complicated, I agree. But it is possible, hence the engine contains all the required functions. The only problem is on the UI side -- there should exist an automated way to use the currently existing functions in order to allow inexperienced users benefit from those functions. This may of course come beyond the task UI rework as defined by RITLabs for v4, but we don't know that. Another thing I notice after reading the articles you liked above is that people on that forum seem to be quite unhelpful. Each topic starts with a question if it was possible to set TB up in an OE-manner. The answers are short and there are just two of them. Either no, or yes, using filters, and common folders, but it's not the right place to write more, look into manual. Perhaps it would be better to instead just explain exactly how to set things up. Regards, KT -- Krzysztof Trybowski Gadu-Gadu: 1458144 --- Skype: trybowski AQQ: 141062 --- ICQ: 4350719 --- gpg key-id: 0xC937B0F2 Using The Bat! 3.99.24 [reg] under Windows XP 5.1 build 2600.
Re[3]: The Bat! 4.0
Hello Gleason, Sunday, October 14, 2007, 3:19:49 PM, you scribbled: GP Yes, as I said a while ago, the success of Tbird is one of the issues GP that Rit must deal with very soon. And I think glitter is very much a GP part of Tbird's appeal. TBird is not glitter. It is a barebones, functional IMAP/POP client. You can glitz it up with themes and extensions, but the program itself is simple, it works and the average person can slide right into it. That is the appeal, the learning curve is not steep. Glitter, now your talking Pocomail. TB! and Pocomail share the same problem... to many moving parts for the average computer user, too many buttons and options to play with (and screw up). Joe Normal just wants to send and receive e-mail comfortably and reliably, that's it. TB! is aimed at a different user group than TBird. TB!'s market is (or should be) the corporate market, small/home business user and any professional that requires the advanced features TB! has to offer. TBird, according to it's devs (I'll find a quote when I have a chance) was intended to compete with OE for the average home user who just needs a basic e-mail client. The folks TB! is losing, I believe, are those who realize that it is too much for them. There are more features than need or care to figure out. They can go to TBird, set it up in seconds, hit send/receive, reply to Mom and they're done 'til tomorrow, why pay for TB! when TBird is free and much simpler? GP Actually, TB is not going to be simple, and people who have a lot of GP special email needs don't want it to be. The problem is that this is GP a rather small part of the overall email client market, and there are GP 10-15 other clients all aiming for that same group. TB really needs GP to stand out. Appearance is an important part of that. See above, TB! should not be aiming for the same user group that TBird does. In your own words people who have special e-mail needs..., that is TB!'s niche, not Ma and Pa Kettle who get 1 or 2 e-mails a day from the kids. Let Mozilla and MS fight over them... Unfortunately for RITLabs, (other than the fact that they have a crappy web site), they do not seem to be marketing towards the commercial sector very heavily. I know my company execs love the TB!/Voyager combo, however, reliability on the IMAP side makes it a nonstarter. We use our own IMAP server with WebDAV for shared info. For us, it is a lot more flexible than Exchange for the road warrior -- Regards, Mike TheBat! 3.99.25 on Windows Vista Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0
Hello TheBat Beta List Members!!! Someday, and that was in evening, Krzysztof wrote something like this: And this small steps bring us to point: 1. There is no new plugins and old are not developed 2. Big discussion lists and forums, sites slowly dying (tb-l, bat-mail.de.vu, PSTB, TheBat! World) - no new users, no new posts, no new news. What's the connection between making new releases often and the above points? Read fileforum comments. This is only example. Tell me why this happen? I suspect a quite a big number of reasons are involved. Frequency of releases being a lesser one. I'd roughly say: - - company's management being inefficient (this includes PR, community cooperation, project management). - - quality management being down (lack of proper testing, leading to a programme being somewhat uneven -- some versions are stabile, while other are beta-quality. - - unclear rules of setting future goals, unrevealed roadmaps (which brings me the suspicion of non-existent roadmaps), lack of official wishlist with some sort of enduser preference checking. - - lack of vision But this is RITs side. Normal user do not see this. See product and history. You write about next level. Yes, I know how to cheat this behavior, but this is not 100% OE style. I believe you can set everything so that it works exactly as in OE. No. When you know how to do that please answer for this posts: Can you tell exactly which parts of OE style can't be set up in TB using currently existing features? I find it unclear, since... http://thebat.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1246 http://thebat.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?id=934 http://thebat.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?id=169 http://thebat.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1053 http://thebat.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?id=377 http://thebat.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?id=35 ...none of these posts contains a detailed question that could lead to a conclusion that it not true that you can set everything so that it works exactly as in OE. Hence I re-state my assertion: I believe you can set everything so that it works exactly as in OE. hmmm Belive or not but not everything. Once again - see above links. You do this using filters, common folders, color groups. This is too complicated, I agree. But it is possible, hence the engine contains all the required functions. The only problem is on the UI side -- there should exist an automated way to use the currently existing functions in order to allow inexperienced users benefit from those functions. This may of course come beyond the task UI rework as defined by RITLabs for v4, but we don't know that. Another thing I notice after reading the articles you liked above is that people on that forum seem to be quite unhelpful. When you activate account, you must accept rules. One of rule is that you not ask about something that is in manual or you can find in forum archive, tb-l archive and PSTB FAQ - use search option. Each topic starts with a question if it was possible to set TB up in an OE-manner. The answers are short and there are just two of them. Either no, So please support RITs and PSTB forum and only one time answer (you read, you know answer? you not answer - you are quite unhelpful?). Topics are above. There is no possibility to have 5 different Accounts and one folder tree like in OE. You can only cheat but you newer hide 5 accounts. And this answer is in PSTB FAQ, you can find in forum and in tb-l. Perhaps it would be better to instead just explain exactly how to set things up. Once again: there is no such possibility. Over. -- Thanks and best regards, Sebastian Murawski Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: The Bat! 4.0
Mike, TBird is not glitter. It is a barebones, functional IMAP/POP client. Right, barebones. But click on an account heading, or local folders. No, I think the glitter is there. You can glitz it up with themes and extensions, but the program itself is simple, Right. it works and the average person can slide right into it. That is the appeal, the learning curve is not steep. Glitter, now your talking Pocomail. Yes. And functionally crippled by poor implementation and bugginess in the case of Poco. Unfortunately for RITLabs, (other than the fact that they have a crappy web site), they do not seem to be marketing towards the commercial sector very heavily. I wonder how it was that seemingly everybody all at once became aware of Firebird/Thunderbird. I remember a techie friend in the early days of Firebird saying that it was superior because it introduced tabs. He didn't seem to think that Netscape had tabs. Never heard of Opera. So what was the secret? How did Moz get noticed? -- Gleason Using 3.99.25 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attached files from nested EML message are not displayed [was: The Bat! 3.99.25]
Maxim Masiutin wrote on 15/10/2007 at 00:30:37 +1100 subject The Bat! 3.99.25 : http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-99-25.msi Please test these files whether they work properly. We would like to replace 3.99.24 with these files on the site in 2-3 days. Bug 0006473: Attached files from nested EML message are not displayed in attachment pane still present in 3.99.25 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6473 IMHO it is a very heavy show stopper bug. An eMail client should be able to display emails and their attachments, and this not only in version 4 -- Sincerely Hendrik Oesterlin - email [EMAIL PROTECTED] TheBat! 3.99.25 and Regula Anti-Spam Plugin 2.2.6.0 on Windows 2000 ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attached files not displayed in attachment pane (3.99.24)
Hendrik Oesterlin wrote on 05/09/2007 at 14:44:59 +1100 subject Attached files not displayed in attachment pane (3.99.24) : Steps to reproduce: 1.) select the 0001.EML tab at the bottom of this massage 2.) the attachement pane is displayed, but the attached file Document.odt is not visible confirmed, please create a BT entry Done :-) https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6473 Bug still present in 3.99.25 -- Sincerely Hendrik Oesterlin - email [EMAIL PROTECTED] TheBat! 3.99.25 and Regula Anti-Spam Plugin 2.2.6.0 on Windows 2000 ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: The Bat! 4.0
Hello Gleason, Sunday, October 14, 2007, 4:59:25 PM, you scribbled: GP I remember a techie friend in the early days of Firebird saying that GP it was superior because it introduced tabs. He didn't seem to think GP that Netscape had tabs. Never heard of Opera. So what was the GP secret? How did Moz get noticed? Marketing, ok, Moz calls it evangelism. I remember when Moz plunked down $130K for a full page advert in the Wall Street Journal. That and some of the devs had contributed techie articles espousing the virtues of Firefox over IE in the lead-up to the advert and official FF release. Of course you can purchase shirts, hats and cups plastered with getfirefox.com. They had a high profile, commercial marketing strategy combined with enlisting the user in a grass roots campaign. Very effective I think. While they haven't and won't catch IE, it enough that they left Opera in the dust. If you believe stats, Opera's market share has remained unchanged since 2004, but FF is inching up slowly. RITLabs could use a marketing expert to define it's products, shape an intended user base and sell the product. Right now it seems that TB! is used by those who are referred by a current user or bumble into it on a Google search. And they seem content with that for some reason. -- Regards, Mike TheBat! 3.99.25 on Windows Vista Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
The Bat - Version 3.99.25
Sunday, October 14, 2007 Just a quick note to say the program loaded and I have it up and running. Jerry -- Ethan J. Mings Oakville, Ontario Canada Write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Running: The Bat! Version:3.99.25 Operating Systems: Windows XP 5 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat - Version 3.99.25
Hi Ethan, Sunday, October 14, 2007, 5:11:39 PM, you wrote: Sunday, October 14, 2007 Just a quick note to say the program loaded and I have it up and running. Jerry And I do, also (Home Edition). I haven't explored all functions like some others here have, however, so can only say that it is running and very stable, and I have had no issues with TB's basic functions. -- Take Care, Bob mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 3.99.25 (beta) on Windows XP 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat - Version 3.99.25
Bob Riley wrote on 15/10/2007 at 11:27:47 +1100 subject The Bat - Version 3.99.25 : ... and I have had no issues with TB's basic functions. Is nested-message-bug https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6473 not occurring at your installation? -- Sincerely Hendrik Oesterlin - email [EMAIL PROTECTED] TheBat! 3.99.25 and Regula Anti-Spam Plugin 2.2.6.0 on Windows 2000 ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0
Hello Sebastian, On Sunday, October 14, 2007 Sebastian Murawski wrote: Read fileforum comments. This is only example. Ritlabs' fault is that they didn't draw a very thick line between betas and release versions. Most of the too often releases are betas. And it is perfectly valid to issue a beta as often as RITs want. Some people just don't get that betas are not for everyone. A different story is with versions being released and then quickly replaced by another ones with quickfixes. This indicates that releases were too soon, without proper testing. And that *is* a problem. Tell me why this happen? I suspect a quite a big number of reasons are involved. Frequency of releases being a lesser one. I'd roughly say: (...) But this is RITs side. Normal user do not see this. You asked why that happened. So I wrote about my ideas what the reasons are. Normal users see results of the reasons above. The results are *NOT* things to cure. The reasons are. ...none of these posts contains a detailed question that could lead to a conclusion that it not true that you can set everything so that it works exactly as in OE. Hence I re-state my assertion: I believe you can set everything so that it works exactly as in OE. hmmm Belive or not but not everything. Once again - see above links. Once again: the above links do NOT give detailed information about what can't be set up. That's why I'm asking. Another thing I notice after reading the articles you liked above is that people on that forum seem to be quite unhelpful. When you activate account, you must accept rules. One of rule is that you not ask about something that is in manual or you can find in forum archive, tb-l archive and PSTB FAQ - use search option. And you end up with... how many? 6 topics with virtually the same content: -How do I...? -RTFM. Sometimes better write more. Or give an exact link not just read the manual. Otherwise we can replace all answers with Google it!. :P But of course it is just my POV. The operator of a forum is allowed to set whatever rules he wishes to. Each topic starts with a question if it was possible to set TB up in an OE-manner. The answers are short and there are just two of them. Either no, So please support RITs and PSTB forum and only one time answer (you read, you know answer? you not answer - you are quite unhelpful?). I'm not even registered there and I just saw those posts ;) Topics are above. There is no possibility to have 5 different Accounts and one folder tree like in OE. You can only cheat but you newer hide 5 accounts. And this answer is in PSTB FAQ, you can find in forum and in tb-l. You can hide the accounts in a tree. You need to use color groups. Since some versions you can apply a color group to a folder. A new tab will appear by the bottom of the account tree. Select it. Voila. :) Perhaps it would be better to instead just explain exactly how to set things up. Once again: there is no such possibility. Over. But you still didn't explain what exactly is not possible :P. -- Krzysztof Trybowski Gadu-Gadu: 1458144 --- Skype: trybowski AQQ: 141062 --- ICQ: 4350719 --- gpg key-id: 0xC937B0F2 Using The Bat! 3.99.24 [reg] under Windows XP 5.1 build 2600. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[6]: The Bat! 4.0
Mike, effective I think. While they haven't and won't catch IE, it enough that they left Opera in the dust. If you believe stats, Opera's market share has remained unchanged since 2004, but FF is inching up slowly. Thanks. I suspect that FF would not have done so well if it were not free. RITLabs could use a marketing expert to define it's products, shape an intended user base and sell the product. Right now it seems that TB! is used by those who are referred by a current user or bumble into it on a Google search. And they seem content with that for some reason. Trying to sell software that others give away free is a special challenge. Perhaps the standard approach you suggest wouldn't be sufficient in this case. -- Gleason Using 3.99.25 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
10/14/2007 5:38 AM Hi Hans, On 10/14/2007 Hans Stam wrote: HS I am a registered user of The Bat! but also of Pocomail, try this HS program, has a lot of features, The Bat! does not have! HS Or try Mokum Mail, http://www.blokker.net/whatsnew.htm HS As a registered user I always use this very safe program Hmm... HTML and no sig delimiter. Here comes the trout! I hope Pocomail is more stable for you than me! Yes pocomail is working fine here, last version is 4.5.3.910 and of course with Newsgroups and RSS, Templates, Imap, etc already for a long time.. Hans Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html __ NOD32 2591 (20071014) Informatie __ Dit bericht is gecontroleerd door het NOD32 Antivirus Systeem. http://www.nod32.nl Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
