Vanishing paperclip
Does anyone else notice that, on selecting a message in the message list which has an attachment, the paperclip icon is cleared? (Verified with 3.81.12) That bug only appears when the message has one attachment; when there are two or more, the paperclip remains. (Spam messages inviting you to enter your bank details into a phishing site in Mongolia, and containing one attached .GIF, are a good test :) Alastair -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgphCmfPPYzd7.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.81.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.81.06 Beta is now available
On 11/07/2006 at 13:06 Toni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello NetVicious, On Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 1:17:54, you wrote: N TB! from 3.81.01 version has one new option to detect new versions N itself. When TB! detects a new version alerts us with a information N window with the changelog and ask us if we want download this new N version. I clicked Yes (to download it) in the last updates but it N seems TB! uses something strange code for download the update and N Firefox don't opens or downloads nothing. Confirmed here. Also confirmed with Opera 9.00 as default browser ... on pressing Yes in the TB! popup, nothing happens. Alastair -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp3WTvETTaUb.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.81.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 1.54 Beta/46: video card
On 07 March 2002 at 19:13 Joseph wrote: ATI Rage Pro here, under Win98. No problems. These are all XP problems, as you'll see from the screen shots (post following). Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : https://bt.ritlabs.com/ BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
Re: 1.54 Beta/46
On 07 March 2002 at 19:16 Tony wrote:
Nvidia GeForce2 MX/MX400
Hrmph :(
Three screen shots (not attached in case anyone gets uptight about
multiple attachments ;)
http://www.thebrixton.btinternet.co.uk/xp_beta46_sortingoffice.png
Shows problem 5i (down-arrow black on beige rather than blue rounded
XP style, and custom fields with beige background rather than white)
and 4 ('tree' button beige background rather than white, and
squared-off rather than rounded).
http://www.thebrixton.btinternet.co.uk/xp_beta46_spinbuttons.png
Shows problems 2 (tab face beige rather than white, with awkward
'line' between tab and tab face) and 3 (spin buttons black on beige
rather than blue rounded XP style).
http://www.thebrixton.btinternet.co.uk/xp_beta46_directories.png
Shows problem 6 (Directory and Home Directory fields beige background
rather than white).
Alastair
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Re: Bugtrack difficulty
On 28 February 2002 at 09:08 Dierk wrote: Hello TBBETA Members! I may be a bit thick - I definitely am -, but how to I give feedback when asked for it to the bugtrack system? I tried by adding a note and sending a message to RITLabs, but don't think this can be right ... I've always assumed 'feedback' (the bright pink background to the bug) = 'add a note to the bottom of the existing notes' ... (In other words, a bug is not clear-cut and RITLabs want comments from people who have - or haven't - experienced it). Alastair This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : https://bt.ritlabs.com/ BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
Re: Icons with gray background
On 28 February 2002 at 07:38 Lars wrote: Hi Giamma, On Wednesday, February 27, 2002 at 22:14:41 [GMT +0100], you wrote: G perfect: ATI RAGE XL AGP 2X Then you should probably try to get newer drivers for your graphics card. That should correct the icon issue. Ah, I had this problem (same graphics card) and it was fixed by going back to _older_ drivers :) (This is a Compaq machine; the older drivers were from Compaq and the newer - misbehaving - ones from ATI). Alastair This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : https://bt.ritlabs.com/ BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
Re: Quo vadis, Bat?
On 23 February 2002 at 17:55 Dave wrote: Hi Stefano, Saturday, February 23, 2002, 5:34:16 PM, you wrote: Stefano Z. Beautiful icons, skins etc, only bloat system ! Ok, then let's keep TB! as a minority piece of software that has no real relevance to mass market needs. Bloating is a function of much more than skins and icons. See previous, less certain, response by myself ;) Stefano Z. The only needs is for a full and extended online help system... I think you're confusing your own needs for the preferences of the wider market; most people use Outlook Express because it's easy and nice to look at. Now, if TB! was easy to use and nice to look at AND did everything it can do at the moment, wouldn't many more people be prepared to buy it? If it did a few more geeky things that 99% of people don't need, would sales increase? I suspect a lot of people use OE because it's there. Then some (by no means all) become dissatisfied as their needs grow and look around; when I started getting seriously into mailing lists OE began to come up short. (And, of course, the fact that OE and many other things are 'there' automatically discriminates against TB! and many other packages. Either that or all these lawyers and judges are wasting their time ;) Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
Re: Quo vadis, Bat?
On 23 February 2002 at 18:10 L wrote: Hello Nick, den 23 februari 2002, 19:04, you wrote: NA Absolute Nonsense! TB is in 'dire' need of a facelift. How does a new NA set of icons equate to bloat? How about customisable Toolbars? Would you NA consider that bloat... or added functionality? Certainly the Help Files NA need to be addressed, but don't discount a GUI facelift 'and' some new NA icons... TB is very much indeed of those two items. NA Re-read the initial message in this thread... It is true, and RITLabs NA should be paying attention... These are paying Customer that are talking. This is still something that should be directed to the developers and not this list. I just can't see what this has to do with testing the latest beta. The developers read this list :) Anyway, voices raised somewhat-off-topically are sometimes required ... especially when the issues raised crystallise what I've been thinking about - inconclusively - for some time and encourage thoughts to be put down on 'paper'. Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
Empty Folder reluctant to be enabled
I'm noticing that, sometimes, I have to press the right mouse button on Trash twice (with Trash having input focus in the folder tree) to enable the Empty Folder menu item; the first time it's disabled, even though there are messages in the Trash. Has anyone else noticed this? (It appears to only happen the first time I press the right mouse button after read messages have been sent to an empty Trash). Alastair -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) Using Windows 95 and The Bat! 1.54 Beta/37 This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
Ctrl-Alt-left|right and folder pane focus
I note that, if the folder list's focus is on the _account_ with unread messages (ie the '@' line), Ctrl-Alt-right doesn't move to the first unread message. However, if it's on the Inbox, or any other folder, it does. Bug or feature? Alastair -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) Using Windows XP and The Bat! 1.54 Beta/39 -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
Re: Keyboard Shortcut [space]
On 05 February 2002 at 23:31 Dwight wrote: On Tuesday, February 5, 2002, 5:26:54 PM, John Seymour wrote: Another thing that I just noticed is that when you maximize a message you have buttons for previous/next message or delete and move up/delete and move down. Both of these seem to work in reverse also. they work the way I would expect them to. (did't try in threaded view) It doesn't in threaded view (I added to BugTraq). The drill is: 1. Open (fully, not in the preview pane) the first message in a threaded folder which contains a mixture of HTML and text emails; 2. space cycles through the text emails until the first HTML message is reached; thereafter space does nothing. Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
Re: www.betanews.com
On 01 February 2002 at 19:38 Sergey wrote: Hello All :-) I just read some rewiews on www.betanews.com. I think, it is good to make *internal* betas as fast as it now :-). But it is bad to publish it on such kind of sites. Because changes are small and people outside this mailinglist did not know about it. I think every 10th beta is enough :-). Because some people thinks that it is just silly advertising of program. I've come across this problem before; unfortunately, it's difficult to stop as, if people want to put up details of every last beta, they'll find a way of doing it (Opera, at the moment, is in the same position, with the new betas announced on a public newsgroup, opera.beta, and that information being passed on elsewhere). I suppose a solution _might_ be to password-protect the ftp directory but not change the password every time there's a new beta (otherwise it's more trouble than it's worth); people might take that as a hint that the betas are not to be made generally available. Question is - how they (betanews) know about new betas? They subscribe to this list. All sorts of lurkers hide in the woodwork of mailing lists ... Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
First beta 33 bug (unexpected Options | Preferences warning)
Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.54 Beta/33 Serial Number 1E7B0E3E under Windows 95 4.0 Build 67306684 B and would like to report a bug The bug description: Unexpected 'OK to set associations ...' warning dialog. Steps to reproduce the bug: Select any (or no) options on Options | Preferences then press OK; I presume this warning dialog should only appear after Options | Preferences | Applications then pressing Associate Now to set the file type associations. PS typo in the dialog: '... clicknig ...' = '... clicking ...' :) Alastair This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
Re: List Down or Slow Day?
On 30 January 2002 at 8:06 am Dierk wrote: Hello Marck! On Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 6:44:24 AM you wrote: The list's ISP's routing got throttled yesterday and traffic was slowed to a standstill. It was righted about 2 hours ago. So, the answer is down-ish. Nonetheless, the traffic at the moment is rather slow. Yesterday I closed my computer early off and thought that I'd have at least 50 or 60 messages today in the morning. Nope, only 19. And yesterday I had around 25 the whole day ... Maybe everything about the current version is written? Well, I sent 2 messages to the list which haven't appeared (and, if it doesn't, this is the third ;) Alastair This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
Re: BAV plug-ins
On 25 January 2002 at 09:11 Den wrote: Hello. GMM I have tested many AVP releases with the bat. For me it only worked with GMM AVP 3.5.1.3 Platinum (although it may works with Gold or Std) What file is necessary for connection AVP to The BAT! ? We may find out eventually ;) From what I understand the author(s) of each virus checker will have to write an plugin to TB! via an interface which is not currently freely available. Awkward question: even when it does become available, do the authors and users of TB! collectively have enough clout to get the plugins written? (I shall be on the email to F-Prot, but one swallow does not make a summer :) I can see the point of the plugin (the virus is caught even before the window containing the attachment icon is drawn, thus not giving the user a chance to click on it and ignore all the warnings) but am worried about the mechanics of implementing it to any extent. Alastair -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) Using Windows XP and The Bat! 1.54 Beta/31 -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
Re: Msg source View doesn't Print
On 21 January 2002 at 9:06 am Thomas wrote: Oops, I just remembered: do the betas print in colour now? I remember this bug of only BW printing was mentioned; BW is a show-stopper and must also be fixed before release. Checked with the other (colour) laser printer; it does not. I'll raise something in bt.ritlabs.com :/ Alastair -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) Using Windows 95 and The Bat! 1.54 Beta/30 This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
Re: Msg source View doesn't Print
On 21 January 2002 at 9:46 am Alain wrote: Bug still here in 1.54 ßeta 30, I try to force the default font in the print setup dialog but it generate a random access violation ;( and, at least, it didn't change any thing - BW printing only. I've had the access violation on one machine but not the other :/ There's a bug report in bt.ritlabs.com (number 272) which, I think, may be related to this problem. It would be worth adding a note. Alastair This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
Re:Can not backup.
On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:49:15 +, Sergey Uvarov wrote: Where can I see BugTraq? https://bt.ritlabs.com/ ... set up your username and password and start raising or confirming (or not confirming) them. There are plenty out there waiting to be found ouch! Alastair PS I'm using PocoMail 2.5 just to see what the competition's like ;) This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: National characters - nearly there
On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:43:12 +0100, Alinda Helleman wrote: If you want to set the font for the message list, go to: Message | Colour Group | Edit Colour Groups | Font Yeah, it is rather hidden and suggests it is associated with the various colours which it isn't, but it works fine for me to change the font of the message list. Gosh, that is a deviously placed button! Thanks :) Q: will I get my head knocked off by RITLabs for calling that a usability bug and daring to suggest that it is moved to Options | Preference | System (Fonts area on the tab)? ;) Alastair This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Possible to Disable Security question ?
On 15 January 2002 at 8:17 am Thomas wrote: I agree to every word of this paragraph, including the last two. If you ask me, they should fix the known bugs (it's a very long list by now), release 1.54, then overhaul the interface, release it as next version or as 1.54a, and then start playing with new features. Half-implemented things klike the SmartPad should be taken out first, as it will cost time and effort to iron out those bugs for the new features, and 1.54 doesn't really need them. The new features are good (I love especially the msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] linking), but if they are buggy, they should be delayed until the next beta series. Fix the old bugs first, is my mantra. ;-) Clearly there is disquiet among the beta testers :) I've agreed to do the takes ages and is very boring run through this weekend then produce a sort of über-bug report on all the inconsistencies in the (existing) interface. (There are a lot - as well as the problems noted with confirmation, or lack of confirmation, there are many instances where controls, particularly menu items, should be greyed out but are not). Alastair This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
SOT: TB! memory leaks (?) and pinning them down
Since I installed beta 28 on my Win95 machine its performance has been deplorable; I'm beginning to think there's something wrong akin to the notorious Win98SE memory problems which other people have mentioned. Given that there seem to be literally hundreds of utilities for enumerating processes, memory free and used etc. etc. in real time, can anyone recommend a good one? (The one built into Win95 is feeble). Alastair This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: SOT: TB! memory leaks (?) and pinning them down
On 15 January 2002 at 2:37 pm Silviu wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 15 Jan 2002 at 4:37:01 pm , Alastair Scott wrote the following on the SOT: TB! memory leaks (?) and pinning them down thread: AS Since I installed beta 28 on my Win95 machine its performance has been AS deplorable; I'm beginning to think there's something wrong akin to the AS notorious Win98SE memory problems which other people have mentioned. Do you use the Rich Text Viewer ? No, the fixed width viewer. Alastair This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Mail stuck in Outbox
On 14 January 2002 at 04:51 Thomas wrote: AS This is a tricky one to reproduce (for obvious reasons given in step AS 1) ... but can anyone confirm it? Yes. I reported it in the Connection Center bugs mail about a week or two ago. Actually, it has been present ever since the ConCen made its debut. Thank goodness it's a real bug :) (the beta-tester's cry) ... AS 1. Send email (Ctrl-Enter), server isn't responding, press Abort, AS message remains in Outbox as expected. You can press Abort or Delete Task while the message is being sent. It will have the same effect, only you have to be faster. ;-) msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This sort-of-works - I find that, in this sort of situation, Abort and Delete Task tend not to do anything. (Hardly surprising when TB! is trying to work out what's going on!) AS 2. Try Send Mail From All (Alt-Shift-F2); message in Outbox _isn't_ AS sent and remains stuck there. I suppose you get an error message Nothing to send, right? Yes. AS 3. To send it I have to double-click the message in the folder tree AS and do Ctrl-Enter again. You can also close and reopen TB. Indeed, that does the trick too. Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: SOT: Glyphs
On 14 January 2002 at 06:17 Andreas wrote: Hi The Bat! users, sorry for posting this here, but I'm not subscribed to TBUDL nor TBTECH. Does anybody have a non-standard glyphs.bmp which he could share with other users? I'd like to offer this in my german TBgroup for downloading. We already have 7 different glyphsets. Please send them directly to my address. Thanks in advance! Next question ... where can a non-German-group-member get those 7 different glyph sets from? (I'll try anything once ;) Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Possible to Disable Security question ?
On 14 January 2002 at 17:24 Anton wrote: In a good program, especially such as a mail client, every notorious question (simply put - every) should be carrying don't ask this again ckeckbox. Look at OE, for example, they realize that, and they are Microsoft! By the way, OE interface looks much smoother and cleaner than The Bat!'s. In a good program has an ... interesting implication ;) I agree, though; I hope that this sort of thing is coming up in version 2. Apart from that issue (warn once, then turn off if needed) there are some gross inconsistencies with warning and information popups. My favourite is Options | Preferences | Applications; the Associate ... button has no yes, I've done it popup but the ... Simple MAPI ... button below it has a yes, I've done it popup. Getting rid of this sort of inconsistency really requires someone to spend a long time going through the program systematically testing every control; it takes ages and is very boring ... but necessary. OE looks and feels better because Microsoft has graphics artists and user interface designers everywhere and _pours_ money into usability testing. In addition, it controls the user interface standards so can always deem what's right with everyone rushing to catch up. Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: 1.54 Beta/28
On 12 January 2002 at 22:56 Stefan wrote: [-] Changing hierarchy position of folders without message base files created was causing Cannot rename... errors. Things _do_ get fixed in the end - that was a bad one of mine from about 13 betas ago when I was setting up 4 accounts ;) The Web interface is excellent and gives everyone something they didn't have (prioritisation - you put in a bug report and, before now, had no idea when or if it was going to be resolved). Every software product that has ever existed ships with known bugs ... Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
Bug in The Bat!'s bug tracker ;)
I note that, after I file a bug report, I am sent the confirmation email message twice ... Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
Mail stuck in Outbox
This is a tricky one to reproduce (for obvious reasons given in step 1) ... but can anyone confirm it? 1. Send email (Ctrl-Enter), server isn't responding, press Abort, message remains in Outbox as expected. 2. Try Send Mail From All (Alt-Shift-F2); message in Outbox _isn't_ sent and remains stuck there. 3. To send it I have to double-click the message in the folder tree and do Ctrl-Enter again. On one occasion I got an access violation between steps 2 and 3. Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Mail stuck in Outbox
On 13 January 2002 at 19:18 Patrick wrote: Are you sure, that the message is not marked as draft? Not by me - it wasn't saved as draft (Alt-F2) or queued in the Outbox (Shift-F2), although it's not clear what TB! does in the situation described (the access violation is suspicious). The annoying thing is I'll have to wait for a server failure to test this again ... it could be a long wait! Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: 8859-15 / statement in German newsgroup
On 13 January 2002 at 19:13 Günther wrote: Hei, Carsten Thönges wrote: BTW I hope the developers follow this thread, or does anyone want to write a bug report... wrote a short one, pointing to this thread (#221). I've written another one (222) about what is probably a closely related problem (non-ISO-8859-1 characters being, it seems, wrongly replaced by ISO-8859-1 ones in header lines). Complete with picture. Best of British luck to Maxim, Stefan and team trying to fix these character-set-related problems; they are difficult to _explain_, never mind understand! Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Dead button
On 13 January 2002 at 18:40 Maxim wrote: Hello Alastair! AS It seems that Account | Properties | General option | (Edit personal AS vCard | Certificates tab) (or Edit certificates) | Request ... AS doesn't do anything. (What should it do?) You should first click Generate button to generate a self-signed certificate. Then select this certificate and click Request. It will generate a Certificate Signing Request that you should send to CA. Aha - TB! is the first email package I've ever used which has made encryption workable _at all_, and that's a useful feature. For those struggling with the concepts (like me) there's a nice tutorial by the inventors of S/MIME: http://www.rsasecurity.com/standards/smime/faq.html and a good description of digital certificates and SSL: http://www.entrust.com/resources/pdf/understanding_ssl.pdf Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
Changing accounts on response ignores S/MIME settings
Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.54 Beta/25 Serial Number 1E7B0E3E under Windows NT 5.1 Build 2600 and would like to report a bug The bug description: An interesting one :) Suppose a message is received on account A, which has S/MIME switched off. The response's active account is switched to account B (Options | Active account | B), which has S/MIME signing switched on by default (Account | Properties | Options | Enable S/MIME and ... | Sign when Completed). The response is correctly sent from account B (appearing in B's Sent Mail folder), but either account B's S/MIME settings are ignored or account A's are used instead are the message is not signed. (It would be worth checking this with OpenPGP). Steps to reproduce the bug: As described. The response should be S/MIME signed. Regards, Alastair Scott [Note - sent previously to [EMAIL PROTECTED] but bounced to the list (?)] smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: TLS (was: beta/24)
On 5 January 2002 at 8:20 am Thomas wrote: Thanks, I found them. Does anybody know whether either myrealbox or GMX use this? If so, how do I go about testing it? I think it's unlikely that mainstream ISPs offer it. There are certainly none in the UK that I'm aware of; I have it because I have a server whose costs I share with about 60 other people in return for being able to tinker with it. (Methinks that, with the current fuss about Carnivore, Magic Lantern and others, it will start to appear more often; supporting it is an astute move by TB! :) To test whether TLS/SSL is present, change the Receive mail connection in Transport to '... SSL' and the port to 995. If you get an error when trying to receive mail thereafter SSL isn't supported by your (POP3) server. What's the difference between STARTTLS and TLS? I believe it depends on the ISP, right? Also, is this the same as SSL? (What does TLS stand for?) I'm not up on STARTTLS, but: TLS = SSL (port 995) STARTTLS = TLS + an extra security layer Here are all the gruesome details: ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc2246.txt (TLS) ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc2487.txt (STARTTLS) Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/20 Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
Oddity involving Known filter
Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.54 Beta/21 Serial Number 1E7B0E3E under Windows NT 5.1 Build 2600 and would like to report a bug The bug description: Known filter can temporarily take the same name as a new filter. Steps to reproduce the bug: 1. Open the Sorting Office with Control-Shift-S. 2. Press the New button to start designing a new incoming filter and change the Name: (right-hand panel) to, for example, [xxx]; 3. Navigate to the left-hand panel and click on the Known filter; its name changes to [xxx] and remains so until the Sorting Office is closed and re-opened. Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/20 Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
SOT: beta testing
A very interesting article on beta testing of commercial software: http://www.betanews.com/article.php3?sid=1007600207 Lots and lots of good points there; the interviewee is as keen as I am on tools which make everything visible to everyone. (As you can probably guess I'm not impressed with the way RITLabs does beta testing*; it's too haphazard and the _testers_ cannot see how, and if, their data are being handled which, in my case, is offputting. Witness the IMAP closure problem, which RITLabs told me was duplicatable and would be fixed yet has been hanging around for three builds so far!) Alastair * that said, very few get it anywhere near right; StarOffice, with a Sun-hosted newsgroup and the Sun staff posting responses to that newsgroup (rather than privately to the testers), was not bad. _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.messagelabs.com/stats.asp -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/15 Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
Dubious outcome of drag-and-drop
This may not be a bug, rather a feature :) When I drag-and-drop a .MSG file (previously saved TB! message from another copy of the client) into the folder tree a new message is created with the .MSG file as an attachment (equivalent to F5 then Alt-Page Up and find the file). This is, in my opinion, pointless; what I expected was the message to be copied into the folder. (Quite apart from being a more obvious and sensible thing to do, it is also a much easier interaction than Tools | Import Messages | From .MSG Files ... and find the folder that way). Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/15 Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[5]: beta/16
On 16 December 2001 at 1:09 pm Linke wrote: PAT Yes, me too. This makes (any of the last three versions of) 1.54 PAT useless for me... Me three! Quite anoying. Anybody can tell me wether I can securely switch back to a working version (beta 10 and below I guess?). Because of the bad ongoing problems (corrupt icons, IMAP stopping closure) I went from beta 16 to beta 10 without any problems simply by overwriting THEBAT.EXE with the earlier version ... Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/15 Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
Slovenian (once again)
I think this has been passed around fruitlessly once before, so there's no harm having another shot at the issue ;) In the last email I got the header looks as per the attached, and the To: line of the message source looks like: To: =?Windows-1250?B?SmVybmVqIFNpbW9u6Gno?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] That anything comprehensible at all can be derived from this is a miracle - so what's stopping the c-hacek from being right too? [And where did the backslashes and quotes come from?] (As someone who has rusty but serviceable Russian, and plans to buy a Cyrillic keyboard, install Russian as well as UK English support into XP and start removing the rust this is not merely an academic question :) Alastair PS Outlook (Express) gets it wrong too; strangely, the only email package I've come across which correctly renders the c-hacek is Mozilla. _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.messagelabs.com/stats.asp accents.png Description: PNG image
A minor inconsistency
I note that, in the Dispatcher, the Time field doesn't follow the (carefully customisable) format of the Received and Created fields in the list of messages and the Find window; rather, it has a private format of its own (08:02, 17:54). Alastair _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.messagelabs.com/stats.asp -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/15 Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: Slovenian (once again)
Jernej wrote: Hello Alastair, 12. december 2001, 10:31:38, you wrote: AS That anything comprehensible at all can be derived from this is a AS miracle - so what's stopping the "c-hacek" from being right too? [And AS where did the backslashes and quotes come from?] I think that it's the encoding's fault - in Win-1250 encoding "c is in the same place as 'e in "normal" Windows encoding (which CP is that anyway?)... Check, how this message comes through - it's ISO-8859-2 encoded. It looks exactly the same as the first try :( The line in the source, this time, looks like: From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Jernej_Simon=E8i=E8?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] and, in the (UK) ISO 8859-1 character set, #E8 is e-grave :( What seems to be happening is that something, somewhere, in The Bat! isn't understanding that it needs to switch from ISO 8859-1 to ISO 8859-2 when displaying that line. (I presume that there is a mapping from IS0 8859-x to two-byte Unicode characters somewhere in the Windows APIs so that, when an application says, 'This character code is #E8 and the current character set is ISO 8859-2', 'c-hacek' is printed). I've found two rather useful sites from which I derived this explanation (?): http://czyborra.com/charsets/iso8859.html (what the various sets look like) http://nl.ijs.si/gnusl/cee/iso8859-2.html (ISO 8859-2 in detail) Alastair _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.messagelabs.com/stats.asp -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/15 Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: The Bat! - bug report - Refusal to quit
On 3 December 2001 at 9:39 am Graham wrote: Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.54 Beta/14 Serial Number F0060E1D under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 and would like to report a bug The bug description: When using IMAP, if TB! receives any message, it then refuses to close down. Connection centre is apparently NOT active, yet TB! behaves as if it is still running. If you force a crash out of TB! after receiving the message, then TB! starts / closes down quite happily until you receive another message Confirmed with my IMAP4 account at work - TB! can't be shut down without killing the process (Windows 95 OSR2) :( Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/14 Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
email appears to be going to wrong address
Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.54 Beta/14 Serial Number 1E7B0E3E under Windows NT 5.1 Build 2600 and would like to report a bug The bug description: User interface not updating when it should means email appears to be going to wrong address Steps to reproduce the bug: 1. Write an email with one address in the To: field (say [EMAIL PROTECTED]); 2. Change the email address in the To: field to (say) [EMAIL PROTECTED]; _don't_ tab out of, or otherwise leave, the To: field; 3. Press Control-Enter. The 'Send the message?' popup, and the window title, show the old address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]); this is misleading as the email is no longer going to that address (unless you press Cancel and edit To: again). The windows should switch, on Control-Enter, to the new address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/14 Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
Undesirable 'send to back' no.2
Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.54 Beta/14 Serial Number 1E7B0E3E under Windows NT 5.1 Build 2600 and would like to report a bug The bug description: Preferences window inappropriately sent to back. Steps to reproduce the bug: Do Options | Preferences ..., then select the Applications tab, then press Install The Bat! as Simple MAPI Handler. In one case (my Windows 95 machine) this sends the Preferences window to the back, behind the main window, and a 'Simple MAPI handler installed successfully' information window to the front; in another case (my Windows XP machine) the Preferences window remains in view in front of the main window (correctly) and the 'Simple MAPI handler ...' window appears in front of it (correctly). Even if the window order can be made predictable, having an 'it happened' window at all is inconsistent with another option on the same tab (Associate Now, which has no confirmation) and is not good UI practice anyway. (This is a similar issue to the one I turned up regarding Send + Check for All with nothing to send). Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/14 Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
High resource usage by Connection Centre
When I'm typing in an application window other than TB!, nothing is displayed when the Connection Centre is visible although I keep typing; when the CC closes the text is displayed in a rush. I've never seen this (with XP Professional) before beta 14. I'll try to quantify the percentage CPU utilisation (etc) later. Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/10 Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Double Folders?
Kevin wrote: Hi All Beta Testers, Currently having a problem with 1.54/13a, After installing the Program, i opened it up to find my Account (Which is protected by a Password) and Also the same folders outside my account, i decided to delete my Mail folder, and do a Fresh Restore, this worked until i closed TB! only to open it up and find the same Folders outside the account again, and also the Exact same folders inside my account, has something changed im not realising, or could someone help me to have these folders not appear outside my account? Me too, on beta 14. It sounds as though you have something similar to the attached. I presume the 4 folders below Alastair's Account are something to do with common folders. But why are they there? My attempt at interpretation ... I note that the Inbox inside an account is called 'Inbox', whereas the common Inbox is called '\\\Inbox' in filters. I can see value in directing mail from multiple accounts into \\\Inbox, but the implementation is confusing. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the intention, but it would be better to have a single Common Folders folder as root, ready for users to add their own folders, rather than what looks like a duplicate set of \\\Inbox (etc) which *doesn't* work like the Inbox of an account. (As an aside, I note that the problem with extra Backup tabs is still there; also, if one of the 4 common folders is highlighted when Tools | Backup is chosen, there is no account shown at all in the second step of the backup (thus it would appear not to be possible to back up mail held in common folders ...). Alastair common.png Description: PNG image
Re[2]: Odd...
On 29 November 2001 at 5:06 pm Nick wrote: I was experiencing the same problem. That along with the funky wheel mouse implementation and the lack of task tray icon was enough to send me packing back a few betas. Me too ... on Windows 95 (for the first time ever after two major versions and a dozen or so betas installed) _but not_ on XP. Whether the Connection Centre is, or is not, running appears not to matter and, indeed, the inability to shut down is in itself unpredictable (sometimes TB! shuts down OK). I think this bug is bordering on the insoluble; it's as old as the hills and I cannot even begin to suggest how any problem could be tracked down short of something monitoring API calls. Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/10 Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: OT: Pronunciation of 'polish' (was: BUG: 1.54b12: Smart pad not working properly...)
On 29 November 2001 at 6:20 pm Markus wrote: Hi, On Thursday, November 29, 2001, 6:41:49 PM, Peter Palmreuther wrote: Den verstehe ich nicht ... bin ich jetzt blöd oder ist der so anspruchsvoll??? [Expressing that he doesn't get Dierk's joke.] It's about the pronunciation of the word 'polish'. The verb (German 'polieren') and noun (German 'Politur') are pronounced in English differently (with a short 'o') than the adjective for something related to Poland (where 'Polish' is pronounced with a long 'o'). NB: when written down it is easier because the latter version is always capitalized. In Dierk's joke it was all caps which didn't help. A friend who was born in Kraków and educated at the Sorbonne I call the French polisher. This causes some amusement where I come from because the dialect there (central Scotland) pronounces French Polisher (semi-facetious reference to person of French and Polish background) and French polisher* (person who makes valuable furniture shine with enormous effort) in the same way with a long o; where I am now (south-east England) the pronunciations are different (long o and short o) and there is no joke :) [I'm sure that could've been explained better, and the joke could certainly have been better anyway :)] Alastair * http://www.am-wood.com/finishes/french.html -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/10 Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
OT: serial beta-testers :)
I just subscribed to opera.beta on news.opera.com to put forwards comments on Opera 6 beta 1 and who did I see? A fair number of familiar names ... people from this mailing list! [For my fellow serial beta-testers, another package worth testing is StarOffice 6.0 beta at http://www.sun.com/software/star/ ] Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/10 Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
Flawed wizard
(This is my recollection from the last time I did it; I'm about to do it again and just remembered the problem ...). The wizard which appears as part of a clean copy (install from installation file, first run) of TB! has a flaw if you want to restore an account from a backup file (*.TBK). You are forced to: (i) create a dummy account to get through the wizard's steps; (ii) reinstate the *.TBK contents from the menu; (iii) delete the dummy account. It would be helpful for a Restore account from backup option to be available from the first step of the wizard, cutting out all the unnecessary steps. This, I think, would be a nice simple addition before 1.54 comes out :) Or am I misremembering this and there is a way of *not* having to run the gauntlet of the wizard? Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/10 Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
Not finding duplicates
A number of mailing lists I subscribe to generate large numbers of duplicate posts which TB! doesn't pick up. On examining the non-duplicate duplicates, it seems that the problem is related to Yahoo! (and others) appending footers to the email thus: Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/Gi0tnD/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/3mLolB/TM -~- The problem is that the piece after '...yahoo.com/' is some sort of hash, semi-randomly generated _for each email_ for, I presume, tracking purposes. Of course a simple algorithm would not know that there is no difference to the _body_ of the email. A fix would be for TB!'s duplicate algorithm to pass over all URLs in emails. (Because several mailing list providers seem to have a lot of server problems, producing duplicate posts by error, an improved check would probably remove 15-20 per cent of my mailbox!) Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/10 Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: Big trouble with default printing font
On 4 October 2001 at 3:40 pm Dierk wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Alastair! On Thursday, October 04, 2001 at 1:52:26 PM you wrote: That system instability suggests there's something pretty nasty somewhere ... I tried to re-enact what you did, but couldn't. Maybe I did something wrong. But I found out that the Print Setup is definitely buggy: Whenever I selected a font and OK'ed it, the main window of TB! got in the background *with no dialogue box or TB! window in the foreground*. there should have been the Print Setup window, which actually was there, *but behind TB!'s main window*. I had to click on TB!'s main window, then the Print Setup came back. After the second time I even had to first get access - through the task bar - to an open View Folder before I could get TB!'s main and the Setup. Also, it took some seconds (considerably longer than it should) to get the font selector windows. I hope this will get better with the next beta! ;-) Yes, this _window behaviour_ is exactly what I'm getting; it's often trial-and-error (Taskbar, Task Manager, wait and see) to get the dialog box(es) in front of the main screen. (On the home machine, with XP, there is no problem - so far - with the font reverting to Times New Roman, or whatever; on the work machine, with 95, there is, and that's where I first reported the problem from. The work machine has not had the OS reinstalled for about 18 months, whereas the XP machine was formatted and installed 2 weeks ago, so it is quite possible there are things hanging around in the Registry and elsewhere causing trouble with the work machine). Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/9 Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
Windows XP appearance issues
Running TB 1.54b9 on XP demonstrates one obvious glitch and a lot of appearance problems which are architectural (requiring a lot of work, and probably the migration from Delphi 2 to 6 mentioned elsewhere). The obvious glitch is the 'menu navigator' button which, with the default XP UI skin, appears distorted as the default XP buttons are 4 times the area of previous Microsoft OS buttons; I can provide a picture if needed. (Other applications which introduce custom buttons into the title bar of windows, such as the ATI multiple monitor tools, have the same problem). I think this could probably be fixed fairly easily at the moment. Probably the worst appearance problem is the mixing of system and proportional fonts (I use Tahoma for the panes); with ClearType turned on* the system fonts (MS Sans Serif and similar) suddenly look way out of place. There are also lots of UI issues with, among other controls, the icons and dialog box layouts not looking 'XP-like', but I presume almost every Microsoft software developer is wrestling with the same issues at the moment ... Alastair * hugely improving readability of fonts, I must say! _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.messagelabs.com/stats.asp -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/8
Re: Windows XP appearance issues
Thomas wrote: On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:02:09 +0100 GMT (21/09/2001, 16:02 +0800 GMT), Alastair Scott wrote: AS which, with the default XP UI skin, appears distorted as the AS default XP buttons are 4 times the area of previous Microsoft OS AS buttons; I can provide a picture if needed. Please do. A screenshot of resonable size will be appreciated, as I believe I am not the only one who has never seen XP in action. AS Probably the worst appearance problem is the mixing of system and AS proportional fonts (I use Tahoma for the panes); with ClearType turned AS on* the system fonts (MS Sans Serif and similar) suddenly look way out AS of place. Again, screenshot appreciated. Will do all tonight (I'm currently at the wrong machine, running Windows 95). I emphasise that I've turned up nothing affecting the *functionality* of TB under XP; it's the appearance that's the problem. (Mind you, it's a big problem - if someone downloads TB and thinks 'that looks like something from the 20th century' they're not going to buy it!) Alastair _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.messagelabs.com/stats.asp -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/8
Re[2]: Windows XP appearance issues
On 21 September 2001 at 6:11 pm Screwyluie wrote: AS The obvious glitch is the 'menu navigator' button which, with the AS default XP UI skin, appears distorted as the default XP buttons are 4 AS times the area of previous Microsoft OS buttons; I can provide a picture AS if needed. (Other applications which introduce custom buttons into the AS title bar of windows, such as the ATI multiple monitor tools, have the AS same problem). I think this could probably be fixed fairly easily at the AS moment. yeah I run XP and I know what you mean, altho not a big problem cuz didn't someone somewhere point out the menu navigator is only for the beta and will be taken out for the final? It's quite a nice feature notwithstanding, particularly for beginners who (I know) find TB rather intimidating ... another issue with it is, on mine at least, it's not always visible, the winXP gui tries to hid it so it comes and goes, sometimes it's there, sometimes it's not. Strangely, today it seems to have decided to hide as you say (see PNG file below - I couldn't capture it); if you hover the mouse over the titlebar at the right place it does reappear though ... AS Probably the worst appearance problem is the mixing of system and AS proportional fonts (I use Tahoma for the panes); with ClearType turned AS on* the system fonts (MS Sans Serif and similar) suddenly look way out AS of place. There are also lots of UI issues with, among other controls, AS the icons and dialog box layouts not looking 'XP-like', but I presume AS almost every Microsoft software developer is wrestling with the same AS issues at the moment ... could you give a little more info as to how you have your fonts setup? I would like to see this since mine look fine Picture: http://www.btinternet.com/~thebrixton/tbxp.png Note the difference between the folder pane (Tahoma, ClearType), the preview pane (Andale Mono, ClearType) and the list of messages (MS Sans Serif, non-ClearType); the column header, jumping from ClearType to non-ClearType, is particularly affected. The difference is very pronounced with a flat-panel monitor. (Looking at XP applications it seems that the 'system font' is now Tahoma, presumably so that ClearType is universal; MS Sans Serif appears to have been banished ...). Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/8
Re[2]: Windows XP appearance issues
On 21 September 2001 at 8:30 pm Allie wrote: AS http://www.btinternet.com/~thebrixton/tbxp.png This link seems to be broken. Anyone else been able to load it? It is quite likely to be the ISP (BTopenworld) that is broken ;) Try: http://www.unmetered.org.uk/test/tbxp.png (Both files load OK from here ... but you would expect that, wouldn't you?) Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/8
