Unread tab folder sequence
TB! has suddenly started scrambling the order of my folders in the Unread tab. They used to be in the same sequence as on the All tab, but are now in alphabetical order. Anyone know why? Or suggest a solution to return them to the All tab sequence? Thanks in advance. -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.11.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Moving folders to new account
On Friday, April 25, 2008, 10:52:29 AM, MAU wrote: Can anyone suggest a good way of moving my archive folders from my active account to this one? I tried copying them at the file level, but TB doesn't recognize any of the subfolders. In the folder tree, select the folder you want to move and 'Alt+Drag' it to the new archive account. Thanks, that seems to have worked. (Almost certain I tried it before without success, though.) -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v4.0.20 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Moving folders to new account
I've set up a dummy Archive account, with the purpose of moving all my years' worth of sent mail there. (I understand that this should cut down on the memory load, since this account will stay closed most of the time.) Can anyone suggest a good way of moving my archive folders from my active account to this one? I tried copying them at the file level, but TB doesn't recognize any of the subfolders. Thanks. -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v4.0.20 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.20.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Alert window for new mails, (WAS VBScript (WAS Feature Request))
On Saturday, April 19, 2008, 6:57:40 AM, Kertész Vilmos wrote: I made a v2 from it, download link is the same: http://www.thebat.hu/TBAlert.exe Thank you very much. Is there anyplace online a collection of user add-ons like this for TB? -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v4.0.18 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.20.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: VBScript (WAS Feature Request)
On Saturday, April 19, 2008, 9:01:06 AM, Uwe Steinfeld wrote: Your script does very well run from TB!. Just start it with wscript path\mailalert.vbs params Thank you! As I've now learned from Vili, the macro parameters have to be in quotes as well. The nice thing about vbs is that it's so easy to customize. I'll have to experiment to find out if batch files require any special prefix to run. -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v4.0.18 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.20.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
VBScript (WAS Feature Request)
On Friday, April 18, 2008, 1:16:37 PM, Vili wrote: You may want to support this: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6028 Done. I wrote a small program now in Delphi 3 for this. 190 kB. ... http://www.thebat.hu/TBAlert.exe ... Download, copy somewhere and point to that file in the filter and add the custom text. Simple for things like You've got mail. Thank you very much. This will do the job for me. Obviously my search skills are grossly inferior to Jens Franik's, but I had time to play with this some more today, and worked up a script that performed quite well outside TB. Unfortunately it won't run from TB. I suspect that TB won't execute vbs files, but of course I could be overlooking something in the code that TB is blocking. Aside from being tiny, it also allows up to five parameters (arguments) to be passed to it. Just in case anyone would like to take it farther, I'm including the code below: 'mailalert.vbs Dim objArgs, vNum, vMsg, Arg(5) Set objArgs = WScript.Arguments.Unnamed For vNum = 0 to objArgs.Count - 1 If vNum 6 Then Arg(vNum) = objArgs(vNum) End if Next vMsg = Type: Arg(0) Chr(13) _ Chr(13) _ From: Arg(1) Chr(13) _ Subject: Arg(2) Chr(13) _ Filter: Arg(3) Chr(13) _ Other Info: Arg(4) MsgBox vMsg, VBOkay, E-Mail Alert . . . Wscript.Quit -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v4.0.18 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.20.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Annoying behavior (Unread Tab)
On Thursday, April 17, 2008, 9:51:34 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Click on the Name header over the folders. One click sorts them alphabetically by name in ascending order (up-arrow), the next click in descending order (down-arrow), the next click in the order as in the ALL tab (no arrow). Unfortunately, not on my machine. It only toggles two ways, up or down. Thanks for replying, though. -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v4.0.18 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.20.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Feature Request
On Wednesday, April 16, 2008, 10:46:05 PM, Ivan Bolhovitinov wrote: Write simple VBS script with MessageBox (or simillar). And run external command ... Yes, that would solve my problem, but not add another feature for the average user. It also would be a lot less convenient to use, requiring a separate .vbs file for each message. Still, I'm giving it a try. Does anyone know how to incorporate a passed argument (%1) into a vbs script? I spent about an hour on Google looking, but couldn't find a solution. Implemented as part of TB itself, we could have easy access to all the message field information, not to mention some built-in safeguard against having a hundred identical messages triggered when something goes wrong.I hope the TB folks will consider it. -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v4.0.18 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.20.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Annoying behavior
On Tuesday, April 15, 2008, 10:16:56 PM, you wrote: Munango-Keewati wrote on 16/04/2008 at 12:55:54 +1100 subject Annoying behavior : In Unread mode, when I use Ctrl + Del to delete all messages in a folder, the now empty folder suddenly leaps to the bottom of the folder list, where it is still selected. This is a change in behavior from version 3.x, where the empty folder would remain in place long enough for me to arrow down to the next folder in the list. Shouldn't the select move to the next unread folder instead? Already reported https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6632 and discussed here: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you for the links. I've added my own request in hope of making this problem more noticeable. Unfortunately I also experimented with Stefan's advice regarding restoring the Unread tab to the same sorting order as used in the All folders tab: You should click the header of the column with sorting arrow until the arrow goes off to get the order of the folders the same as on the ALL tab. That was really stupid of me, since the sort order of the Unread tab folders was already the same as in the ALL tab. Alas, it is no longer, and I can't get the arrow to go away. Can someone please explain how to do this? Thanks. -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v4.0.18 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.20.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Feature Request
One of the features I still miss from PMMail (I've been using TB for three or four years now) is the ability to set a filter action to pop up a message box with a user-defined message. Any chance of getting this added to TB's wealth of features? -- Best wishes, M-K Using The Bat! v4.0.18 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.20.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Annoying behavior
In Unread mode, when I use Ctrl + Del to delete all messages in a folder, the now empty folder suddenly leaps to the bottom of the folder list, where it is still selected. This is a change in behavior from version 3.x, where the empty folder would remain in place long enough for me to arrow down to the next folder in the list. Shouldn't the select move to the next unread folder instead? -- Best wishes, M-K Using The Bat! v4.0.18 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - High intelligence is no guarantee against stupidity. Current beta is 4.0.20.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
AV on open
Three AVs so far when opening message (all while Agent is also running, if that matters, and possibly while switching to Unread tabs). Access violation at address 00B7D0B7 in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address . -- Best wishes, M-K Using The Bat! v4.0.18 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 4.0.18: Two TB! entries in Task Manager
On Friday, March 14, 2008, 9:21:51 PM, Henk M. de Bruijn wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2008, at 07:24:53 [GMT +1100] (which was 21:24 where I live) Ian A. White wrote: - On Saturday, March 15, 2008, 3:23:25 AM, you (Marek Mikus) wrote: MM Hello all, MM Friday, March 14, 2008, Thomas Fernandez wrote: I have two entries for The Bat! in the task manager under Tasks. There is only one entires under Processes. Is that normal? MM known and reported for Vista, I can not confirm for XP Confirmed here for XP. Hi Ian, Not confirmed here Confirmed for XP. -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v4.0.18 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - What good is a quotation if you can't change it? --Doctor Who [VI], The Two Doctors. Current beta is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: F2/Shft + f2
On Monday, August 1, 2005, 3:02:07 AM, Roelof Otten wrote: On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 21:51:27 -0500GMT (1-8-2005, 4:51 +0200, where I live), you wrote: MK Has anyone succeeded in customizing the F2 shortcut so that it puts a MK new message in the Outbox instead of sending it immediately? I've MK tried, but F2 has a mind of its own now and insists on immediately MK sending. Yes. Start the editor Customise Standard - Put message in outbox - assign F2 Shortcut collection (at the bottom) - Send now - unassign F2 Works as advertised You realize of course that I've got to change it back now, do you? Sorry for the inconvenience, but thanks for the help. I hadn't known about the Shortcut collection (at the bottom of the top field). Thanks again! -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. --Thomas Jefferson, Proposed Virginia Constitution, 1 T. Jefferson Papers, 334 (Julian P. Boyd, Ed., 1950). Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
F2/Shft + f2
Has anyone succeeded in customizing the F2 shortcut so that it puts a new message in the Outbox instead of sending it immediately? I've tried, but F2 has a mind of its own now and insists on immediately sending. -- Best wishes, M-K Using The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: Persistant bugs.
On Friday, July 1, 2005, 9:16:22 AM, Maxim Masiutin wrote: Hello Liz, Saturday, June 25, 2005, 20:19:06, you wrote: short cuts that dont work when pressed short cuts that have different keys depending on where you look short cuts that dont work depending on the view because well it just Coudl you please enumerate exactly which shourtcuts work wrong way, and we will fix it. Most of the View - Display shortcuts don't work, and can't be assigned thru Customize. -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v3.5.30 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Just say No! to Big Government. Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Very Important Question
On Thursday, June 23, 2005, 6:20:18 AM, Maxim Masiutin wrote: Could you please aswer very important questions about editors in The Bat! One feature I really care about is the Windows as-you-type spell checker, which (last I checked) only works in one of the editors. This determined which one I use. -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v3.5.25 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Criminals are not dissuaded by soft words, soft judges or easy laws. They are dissuaded by fear and they are prevented from repeating their crimes by death or by incarceration. --Ronald Reagan, September, 1975. Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
The most un-obvious things: View-Display View Modes
The Customize function is severely lacking. I believe during the beta period some people protested the lack of most shortcut keys for View-Display functions, which seem now to only be available via mouse. However, there's another shortcoming: If a view mode has a filter to only show unread messages, View-Display-All will not override it. Apparently the only way to see all messages in a folder with such a view mode filter is to change the view mode. Then, of course, when you've finished whatever you needed to do, you have to change it back. A lot of wasted effort. It seems to me that the best approach would be to let View-Display _temporarily_ override the View Mode filter setting (and folder tab display settings, should those be implemented in a future version), and perhaps be cancelable with the Esc key the way alt-click sorting on From/Subject/Etc. entries currently is. Anyway, the interaction of View Display, View Mode filters, and folder tabs needs to be rethought. -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v3.5.25 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
The most un-obvious things: Insert Quick Template
Apparently we're also missing in Customize (see earlier message about View-Display and View Modes) the Utilities-Insert-Insert Quick Template dropdown list function, so that it can't be assigned a shortcut or put on a toolbar button. (Insert Quick Template is available, but useless: It pops up a message informing you that the handle isn't found.) The question is (and someone may have recently addressed this), why is such a potentially useful function as a QT picklist buried so far down in the main menu? Further, why couldn't the Ctrl + Shft + Q (create/edit/delete quick template) function also include an Insert button? This picklist menu, which features a scroll bar, is far superior to the one available under Utilities, and making one list do the work of two (at least in this instance) is a more eloquent solution. The ability to quickly insert bits and pieces of oft-used text is a very powerful tool. Please make it easier to get to. -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v3.5.25 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.5.25
Installed without problems. Looks very nice with themes. A few settings seem to have changed, but I'm working on setting them right again. -- Open Help file, hold cursor over text, scroll down with middle wheel. File is minimized to taskbar. Working on this message in the Editor, I've discovered that the same thing happens! Looks like there's something wrong with the way the mouse wheel works (or there's some new setting I need to fix). -- F2 no longer sends a just composed message to wait in the outbox, but instead brings up the Control Center and autodials my ISP. I've tried Account Properties Options Confirm Immediate Sending, but that doesn't make any difference; and I can't find the Immediate Delivery setting referred to in the Help file. -- Best wishes, M-K Using The Bat! v3.5.25 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: [Usability] The most un-obvious things
On Monday, May 30, 2005, 2:00:44 AM, Peter Hampf wrote: Monday, May 30, 2005, 4:07:29 AM, you wrote: MK - Click on Unread tab to view unread messages, but see read and unread. yes, that is the way it should be! The unread tab is located under the account/folder window and is ment to be show only folders that contain unread messages. It must NOT hide the read messages inside these folders. Please explain why I would want to know which folders have unread messages, but not see those messages. One of the big problems plusses of The Bat is that it has a thousand features; one of the big problems is that most of them are arcane. A good piece of software works intuitively out of the box and doesn't rely on hard-to-find settings to do normal, everytime things. -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Just say No! to Big Government. Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[5]: [Usability] The most un-obvious things
On Monday, May 30, 2005, 3:40:05 PM, Peter Hampf wrote: Good evening Munango-Keewati, on Mon, 30 May 2005 13:24:11 -0500 GMT your local time you wrote: It must NOT hide the read messages inside these folders. MK Please explain why I would want to know which folders have unread MK messages, but not see those messages. Because of the better overview. Imagine you have 10+ Accounts with doozens of folders in each account this feature is a great advantage! I'm afraid it is not obvious to me why this would be a particular advantage, unless you were using it to read new (unread) messages. In that case, seeing read and unread by default doesn't seem to be advantageous. As said by MAU and others you can easily get what you want if you advise TB to show only unread messages. BTW, if TB would do that by default, one disadvantage would be that you'd loose the context in threaded folders. Or it could work in reverse, showing unread messages by default (after all, we are talking about the UNREAD tab), and then YOU could use whatever method you like to make it show both. As to context, those read messages would only be a click on the All tab away. What you have to ask yourself is, how often do most users want to see read messages along with the unread ones? My guess is that the answer would be, Occasionally. Occasional needs should not be the basis for default behavior. MK A good piece of software works intuitively out of the box and doesn't rely MK on hard-to-find settings to do normal, everytime things. For ME the current behaviour is exactly MY everytime thing! I doubt most users have ten accounts or often need to drill back to earlier messages to find the context. Default behavior should be based on what most users (especially those who might be switching to The Bat from other software) want to do most of the time. -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current beta is 3.5.23 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: [Usability] The most un-obvious things
On Monday, May 30, 2005, 4:59:57 PM, Richard Wakeford wrote: Hello Munango-Keewati, On Mon, 30 May 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MK how often do most users want to see read messages along with the MK unread ones? My guess is that the answer would be, Occasionally. All of the time in my case. I have my folders set to Thread by reference and all messages are always shown, that way I can easily follow a thread because, despite sensible quoting, it is sometimes hard to follow through from the beginning. Unread are clearly marked in Bold and with my own Icon set are very easy to spot. Personally I wouldn't have it any other way so trying to impose YOUR way is just a little bit selfish ;-) Choice is the best way with an easy way of moving between the options. Publishing software that gets rave reviews for power, but which warn of a sharp learning curve and non-intuitive interface (going from memory here--but reviews have said things along those lines) is not a good business plan. Whether I'm selfish or you are depends on one's point of view. Obviously this mailing list is composed of people who subscribe to mailing lists. Do most TB! purchases subscribe to mailing lists? Are they so interested in context that they want to see read messages mixed among the unread messages in their Unread tab folders? I doubt it. Choice would be reasonable and desirable (a properties page with check boxes to control tab view behavior), but the default should be to show unread messages in the Unread folder. That is what most new users are going to expect when they first start up the program. -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Yahweh: I am Who am. Popeye: I yam what I yam! Makes you wonder, doesn't it. Current beta is 3.5.23 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [Usability] The most un-obvious things
On Sunday, May 29, 2005, 6:06:30 PM, 9Val wrote: We'd like to hear your opinions about most un-obvious things you ever encountered using TB! - Click on Unread tab to view unread messages, but see read and unread. - Oops, forgot to Ctrl + hyphen to display only unread messages. - Click on All tab to check a previously read message, but only see unread messages. - Oops, forgot to Ctrl + plus to display all messages again. How should it work? Tabs should select whether you view all messages or only unread messages. This can be overridden by ctrl sequences. Which tab is default (All or Unread) on startup should be selectable, so that if you usually use the Unread tab, that comes up on reboot, showing only unread messages. -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [Usability] The most un-obvious things
On Sunday, May 29, 2005, 6:06:30 PM, 9Val wrote: Hello All, We'd like to hear your opinions about most un-obvious things you ever encountered using TB! Messages sitting in outbox are invisible if you've set the program to show only unread messages. -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Useability Enhancement: Reply with selected quote
On Sunday, October 17, 2004, 5:04:06 AM, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: You're viewing this list-centrically. No. I have a virtual folder to track correspondence with certain persons (their messages and my replies to them) and I view it threaded just as well (which is really awesome, I must add), and its even more annoying in private correspondence because you overlook a new message much easier when it is sorted into some rather old thread. This sounds great, but only if your correspondents are using a threaded email client. I don't know that any of mine are. I've belatedly discovered that the feature we were talking about is already in TB--Shift + F4 starts a reply with nothing quoted. -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The project of disciplining all the militia of the United States is as futile as it would be injurious, if it were capable of being carried into execution . . . Little more can reasonably be aimed at, with respect to the people at large, than to have them properly armed and equipped; . . .--Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers # 29. Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Useability Enhancement: Reply with selected quote
On Saturday, October 16, 2004, 4:54:26 PM, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: The standard keyboard shortcut to start a reply is CTRL-R You're right. Please mentally change everything in the earlier message to apply to CTRL + R to the extent appropriate. Ctrl + F4 reply without quoting anything. (Thus usable to send a new message on a different topic to someone you've just received a message from.) That is bad style. If you use the reply function, the mailer will include the appropriate references and in-reply-to headers that point to the message you're replying to. TB is a threading email client, You're viewing this list-centrically. Most often I do this with correspondents who write me directly. Actually there is already a solution in TB, but it's difficult to find: Specials Mailing List Post, but apparently only from the main window while previewing. Perhaps the best solution would be to try to map this to a key combination. If there are multiple addressees (different From and Reply To fields, Multiple To's or CCs), pop up a dialogue providing appropriate options. Awww, I don't know - imagine you're answering a lot of listmails, do you want to have a pop everytime because from and reply-to are different? Make optional through some property box? I can't tell you how many time this feature in PMMail saved me from posting private messages to discussion groups. -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ...if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one--Jesus Christ advising his disciples to arm themselves for their own protection, Luke 22:36 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Feature wish - edit subject line
I've complained about the inability to *easily* edit emails before, I would like to see this enhancement, too. I suggest that something be added to the (usually not visible) header text indicating the original subject line. -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The project of disciplining all the militia of the United States is as futile as it would be injurious, if it were capable of being carried into execution . . . Little more can reasonably be aimed at, with respect to the people at large, than to have them properly armed and equipped; . . .--Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers # 29. Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?
On Friday, October 15, 2004, 4:37:08 AM, 9Val wrote: Hello Munango-Keewati, MK Frankly, I can't consider a program to be serious, professional MK offering when a basic function--common to all similar programs, MK in your face every time you look at the main screen--doesn't work MK properly. Sorting by columns should not change saved view modes. Hmm, it is not a bug (it works as designed), but a feature request. If accidentally clicking on a column header nukes the view mode you spent an hour creating, it's hard to call that a feature. I use the (undocumented) Ctrl + RMB-click-on-column-header technique to multiply sort columns in my view modes. For instance, in my Inbox view mode I might sort first by read status, second by received date, third by sender, and fourth by subject. (Very nice feature, by the way.) One errant mouse click on a column header and --bam!--it's gone. I have to recreate it from scratch. This is not a feature I appreciate. If sorting by columns changes the view mode, then it loses it's basic usefulness as a quick way to group together all messages from a given sender, etc. Or view modes becomes unusable. Hold your cursor over a column header and right click. You're offered the option to save the column settings to a view mode. I should have to use this feature if I want the changes saved. Otherwise they should be discarded when I move to a different folders. -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - There is no doubt in my mind that millions of lives could have been saved if the people had not been 'brainwashed' about gun ownership and they had been well armed. Hitler's thugs and goons were not very brave when confronted by a gun. Gun haters always want to forget the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, which is a perfect example of how a ragtag, half-starved group of Jews took up ten handguns and made asses out of the Nazis.--Theodore Haas, former prisoner of the infamous Dachau concentration camp. Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?
If not, when will it be fixed? Frankly, I can't consider a program to be serious, professional offering when a basic function--common to all similar programs, in your face every time you look at the main screen--doesn't work properly. Sorting by columns should not change saved view modes. -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Si vis pacem, para bellum! (If you wish for peace, prepare for war!) Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Release schedule
On Thursday, September 30, 2004, 4:39:20 AM, Stefan Tanurkov wrote: To vote for your favourite pet peeves, just add a short comment to reports on the Bugtraq - that would move the report up the list and we'll see what we can do with it. I don't know how to use Bugtraq (-track?). Would someone please add the View Modes/Sort Column bug if it isn't already there? Thanks. -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current beta is 3.0.1 RC/3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: The Bat! 3.0 beta 1
On Monday, August 30, 2004, 2:56:45 PM, Maxim Masiutin wrote: Buy paying for 3.0 the users get the whole bunch of new things that will be appear in The Bat! 3.xx in future. I'm not a beta tester, but I've very much enjoyed reading this list. I've come to look forward to the daily shenanigans of the Mad Programmers of Ritlabs, who are forever jumping from feature to feature, seemingly unable to remain focused on one thing long enough to complete it. What an amazing profusion of mostly unneeded features it has been! In the less than a year I've used TB!, starting with 2.0, the program has not once reached the point of being a finished product. Not a day goes by when I don't encounter some minor irritations with TB!, most of them having to do with an awkward UI. Maybe there are language or cultural differences at work here (but I kind of doubt it). The program simply doesn't operate _smoothly_. The focus always seems to be in the wrong place. Features don't work the way you expect. (Does Scheduler actually work? I've never gotten it to do anything useful.) No, I will not pay for a new version of an unfinished product. I'll simply stumble along with the current release until I find something better. I don't feel I've gotten my money's worth out of TB! 2.x.--in usable software. Entertainment is another matter. Apparently the beta testers in this list won't be given a free copy for their work. Isn't that the normal practice--testers are rewarded with the finished product? (That's what happened when I tested PMMail quite a few years ago.) If that's the case, perhaps the testers ought to consider going on strike until Ritlabs comes to its senses. They can't release a 3.0 without beta testers . . . oh, wait, this is Ritlabs we're talking about. Never mind. I suppose this sounds pretty harsh, and I'm sorry about that--I've actually grown quite fond of those Mad Programmers and have really been looking forward to a perfected TB!--but it needs to be said. Maybe it'll help wake them up to reality before it's too late. -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The great object is that every man be armed ... Everyone who is able may have a gun.--Patrick Henry, 3 Elliot, Debates at 386. Current beta is 3.00 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
New Filter System Question/Suggestion
Does the new filter system search attachments? If not, could this capacity please be included. I want to be able to search for html tags (such as !) as a way of spotting spam. Thanks! -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Peace on Earth, good will toward men! Now who could object to that? Current beta is 2.13 'Lucky' Beta/3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Beta cycle suggestion
I'm still hoping Ritlabs will find to fix the sort by column bug. Sorting by columns should not change the (saved!) view mode setting! -- Thanks, M-K Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Our ultimate goal, total control of hand guns, is going to take time. The first problem is to slow down production and sales. Next is to get registration. The final problem is to make possession of all handguns and ammunition (with a few exceptions) totally illegal. --Pete Shields, founder of Handgun Control, Inc. (now renamed The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence), New Yorker Magazine, June 26, 1976, page 53. Current beta is 2.12.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Another wish
A minor suggestion-- I sometimes write messages that contain information I'd like to store in Quick Templates for later reuse. Something like the following would speed up the process: To create a quick template from text, select text in a message, RMB, select Make Quick Template. Quick Template window appears with selected text entered. To turn an entire message into a Quick Template, same procedure without selecting text. TB automatically adds appropriate macros for From, To, Subject, etc., which can be edited as necessary. (A full size edit window would be appreciated.) It would also be nice if Utilities Insert Quick Template could be assigned to a shortcut key. Anyone else think these would be useful? -- Best wishes, M-K - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - A sword is never a killer, it's a tool in the killer's hands. (Quemadmoeum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est.) --Lucius Annaeus Seneca the Younger (ca. 4 BC-65 AD). Current beta is 2.11 Beta/5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Usability enhancement: Read/ Unread Tabs
A feature I would find very useful would be to provide property pages for the All, Unread, and Virtual Tabs, which would allow you to link the Show All and Show Only Unread views to those tabs. Click on the Unread tab and you see only folders with unread messages in them, click on any of those folders and you see only unread messages. Need to check an old message? Click on the All tab. It would also be nice to be able to create our own tabs and hide any we don't want to see. -- Thanks, M-K Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The only way Governments can induce citizens to surrender their rights is convincing them that by doing so, they will gain a measure of safety in exchange--Thomas Jefferson Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Useability Enhancement: Reply with selected quote
Presently if you wish to quote only a portion of your reply in a message, you have to select it and press F4. Otherwise, you must press Ctrl + F5. And of course there's the Shift + Ctrl + F5 possibility. I find these keys counter intuitive, and difficult to remember and keep straight. (Yes, I know, that's my problem and others may feel differently, especially after years of doing things this way. However...) Wouldn't the key assignment make more sense along these lines? F4 - Reply quoting all, unless something is selected in the message. In that case, quote only the selected portion. Ctrl + F4 reply without quoting anything. (Thus usable to send a new message on a different topic to someone you've just received a message from.) If there are multiple addressees (different From and Reply To fields, Multiple To's or CCs), pop up a dialogue providing appropriate options. -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Leave her alone or I'll shoot you right between the shoulders. -- Ronald Reagan, Des Moines, Iowa, 1933, while rescuing 22-year-old nursing student Melba King from a mugger by threatening him with an empty .45 pistol. Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Sorting by Multiple Columns (WAS Re[2]: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?)
On Saturday, October 16, 2004, 3:15:48 AM, Doug Weller wrote: Munango-Keewati I use the (undocumented) Ctrl + Munango-Keewati RMB-click-on-column-header technique Munango-Keewati to multiply sort columns in my view Munango-Keewati modes. Right click and Ctrl Right click seem to do the same thing. What am I msising here? I wish we had more documentation on this. I'd suggest you create a Test view mode to experiment in. Sort the first column normally (LMB click), then hold down the control key and LMB click (sorry, I wrote RMB before) on the column you want for the second level sorting. You should see a number 2 appear next to the column name, and a number 1 next to the first column you sorted by. That's how it works on my machine. It's possible that you have to have some kind of system setting selected, though. Wish we had documentation. When you've got it perfected, with all the different sorting levels going in the right direction (ascending or descending), RMB-click over any of the column headings and use Save To to save the setting to the View Modes for which it's appropriate. (Er, actually I think you can do that to save only the column settings, but it might also save whatever other settings you have in your Test view mode. So best to experiment before overwriting already existing view modes.) -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mightn't it be better in those areas of high crime to arm the homeowner and the shopkeeper, teach him how to use his weapons and put the word out to the underworld that it is not longer totally safe to rob and murder? --Ronald Reagan, September, 1975. Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?
On Saturday, October 16, 2004, 9:48:10 AM, Stuart Cuddy wrote: Then if you really wanted this Viewmode change to become permanent there could be a choice on Right click that offers to Save current Layout. This way you wouldn't always have to answer this question everytime you wanted to make a temporary change, but could still use the click on header approach to change the layout. It's already there--right mouse click, Save To. However, I'm not certain it doesn't save other VM settings in addition to column settings. This wouldn't matter if you only wanted to save to the current view mode, but would if you were trying to save to other view modes as well. -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - My idea of American policy toward the Soviet Union is simple, and some would say simplistic. It is this: 'We win and they lose.' -- Ronald Reagan, to future National Security Adviser Richard V. Allen, 1977. Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
