Re: 3022 is awesome
On Friday, October 29, 2004, at 1:23:18 AM, Michael L. Wilson threw back his cloak, climbed the podium, loudly cleared his throat and spoke: I love the bat! I love 3.0.2.2. It is fast, stable and wonderful. I have tested it on three machines, all different brands, with no problems. Wonderful release. What are you trying to say? That the problems are non-existent, even if SOME users report them? That is completely counter-productive. The goal of beta-testing is not voting who likes the newest version more, but determining the factors that cause bugs to exhibit themselves. Perhaps you could describe your system and your mail setup, so that those of us who had problems with 3.0.22 could compare it to theirs, and perhaps find the goddamn bug, instead of engaging in a pointless I love it I hate it kindergarten war? -- |\ /| \~~~/ \~~~/ | \/ | /\ \~/ ICQ# 3146019 || /__\ /___\ /_\ /___\IQ# 3.14159 Co dzieciaki w zeszytach wypisuj: Jurand do dugo yje, a potem zakacza swj ywot. Flyin' high with The Bat! v3.0.1.33 over the swamps of Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 M and perhaps find the goddamn bug, instead of engaging in a pointless M I love it I hate it kindergarten war? Breathe in. Breathe out. Now, think calm thoughts and breathe in ... - -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Aided by BayesIt! 0.7.3, MyGate and rss2mail. PGP Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0 Comment: Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com; iQA/AwUBQYILEdttnLhkydF1EQKpugCaA4liFs4U6I0oHQhZu2jTz0c6/HUAoOtN EU+dav2SUA13MrQGqdnrfBIF =2abx -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
Hello Stuart, M and perhaps find the goddamn bug, instead of engaging in a pointless M I love it I hate it kindergarten war? SH Breathe in. Breathe out. Now, think calm thoughts and breathe in ... Pranayama? :) -- 9Val Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
Hallo MaXxX, On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:42:10 +0200GMT (29-10-2004, 10:42 +0200, where I live), you wrote: M What are you trying to say? That the problems are non-existent, even M if SOME users report them? Don't know why Micheal wrote what he did, but the reason that I confirmed it was that I never saw a TB version as fast and smooth running as this one. The reason for beta testing is not to find bugs, but to test whether there are any. And in my daily use I don't find any. I confirmed the ClearType bug, but as I don't care very much for the ClearType view, I'm not very worried over it. So saying I like it is more a confirmation that I don't find any major bugs than the denial of the bugs others encounter. The knowledge that there are system this version is running properly is just as important as the knowledge that there are systems where bugs are encountered. -- Groetjes, Roelof If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you! The Bat! 3.0.2.2 Rush Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgp7Yed7EtyYG.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
Hello MaXxX, A reminder of what MaXxX typed on: 29 October 2004 at 11:13:59 GMT +0200 M instead of engaging in a pointless M I love it I hate it kindergarten war? So only the people it *doesn't* work for are allowed to report their findings? M That is completely counter-productive. Counter productive would be duping the developers into thinking it doesn't work at all, for anyone. See my previous. And just for the record, yes, I do love it, for me personally it's by far the fastest, most stable and best version yet and as a beta tester I feel I have an obligation to report that fact. -- Best regards,Tony. _ The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush 29/10/2004 at 10:39 UTC 24 - AWB Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
Hello Michael, A reminder of what Michael L. Wilson typed on: 29 October 2004 at 01:23:36 GMT +0200 MLW I love the bat! I love 3.0.2.2. It is fast, stable and wonderful. I MLW have tested it on three machines, all different brands, with no MLW problems. Wonderful release. Glad someone agrees with me, even I was beginning to think I was making it all up :) -- Best regards,Tony. _ The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush 29/10/2004 at 10:06 UTC 2ØØ4 - AWB Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
On Friday, October 29, 2004, at 11:48:17 AM, the world was changed forever by what Tony Boom wrote: M instead of engaging in a pointless M I love it I hate it kindergarten war? So only the people it *doesn't* work for are allowed to report their findings? Reporting bugs is about reporting bugs. If you notice that for you the bug doesn't exhibit itself, it's good, note it where applicable. But loud labelling betas as wonderful, great, superb serves no purpose when there ARE bugs still, apparently. See, a bug either IS there or ISN'T there. A bug that appears even for 1% of the people IS there. Claiming otherwise is concealing it. Counter productive would be duping the developers into thinking it doesn't work at all, for anyone. No. It would make them look for the reasons behind such behaviour, though it might lead them the wrong way. -- |\ /| \~~~/ \~~~/ | \/ | /\ \~/ ICQ# 3146019 || /__\ /___\ /_\ /___\IQ# 3.14159 Random IRC quote: MaXxX and not a word about my pee. | MaXxX ... SpeeD, I mean. I gotta clean thi keyboar. | MaXxX --; Flyin' high with The Bat! v3.0.1.33 over the swamps of Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
Hello MaXxX, A reminder of what MaXxX typed on: 29 October 2004 at 14:51:11 GMT +0200 M See, a bug either IS there or ISN'T there. A bug that appears even for M 1% of the people IS there. Claiming otherwise is concealing it. And if the other 99% didn't report that said bug doesn't affect them then the developers might assume that said bug affects 100% of the people using it instead of just 1%. If you know who is affected and who is not then comparisons can be made to track it down. A few of us have made those comparisons and we think we have it licked. OK, we may be on the wrong track, but it certainly isn't looking that way. Your a beta tester for Christ sake, stop bickering and beta test. -- Best regards,Tony. _ The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush 29/10/2004 at 13:56 UTC 2ØØ4 - AWB Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Mod: Bad language (was: 3022 is awesome)
Hello Marck, A reminder of what Marck D Pearlstone typed on: 29 October 2004 at 14:58:51 GMT +0200 MDP Please do not swear on this list. I think I may have violated that rule as well. Sorry! -- Best regards,Tony. _ The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush 29/10/2004 at 14:06 UTC 2ØØ4 - AWB Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:00:43 +0200, MaXxX bared his fanged teeth, mounted his soapbox, cussed us all, and arrogantly proclaimed: loud labelling betas as wonderful, great, superb serves no purpose when there ARE bugs still, apparently. Max, I must respectfully disagree. Due to this thread, I finally steeled my courage and gave 3.0.2.2 a try. And I want to thank the developers for adding the ability to change case on a selected string. That works great. Regrettably, The Bat kept flapping her wings after I had banished her from my desktop. In consequence, I had to kill her with a Ctrl-Alt-Del process. Being a peace-loving man and conscience-stricken by such unaccustomed violence, I have reverted to the more docile 3.0.1.33. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro and The Bat! Pro 3.0.1.33 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
Hello Avi, A reminder of what Avi Yashar typed on: 29 October 2004 at 15:33:50 GMT +0200 AY Being a peace-loving man and conscience-stricken by such AY unaccustomed violence, I have reverted to the more docile 3.0.1.33. Can you tell us if you was using VF's during your violent ordeal please? -- Best regards,Tony. _ The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush 29/10/2004 at 14:37 UTC 2ØØ4 - AWB Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:38:31 +0100, Tony Boom wrote: Can you tell us if you was using VF's during your violent ordeal please? Tony, all that I did - as an initial test - was overwrite the TB executable, launch TB, start to compose a new message (with my default microed), tested the new ability to change case on a string in that new message, discarded the new message, and then tried to exit TB. Having read the horror stories on this subject, I wanted to be sure that I could close TB before using it extensively. And my first experience was as described. This new bat just refused to go away, causing me to resort to an unaccustomed and unseemly use of force. :-) So I guess the answer is No. I never looked at or used any VFs during that brief encounter with a most unfortunate end. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro and The Bat! Pro 3.0.1.33 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
Dear Avi, @29-Oct-2004, 15:55 +0200 (29-Oct 14:55 UK time) Avi Yashar [AY] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: AY So I guess the answer is No. I never looked at or used any VFs AY during that brief encounter with a most unfortunate end. The question might be better asked as do you have any virtual folders in your folder tree? (at all - whatever version. The current theory is that the presence of these is causing the lock up on exit). -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpLHuRVpc40k.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [the_bat] Re: 3022 is awesome
Friday, October 29, 2004, 8:38:31 AM, (Internet Time - @610) you wrote: TB Can you tell us if you was using VF's during your violent ordeal please? Tony, I just tired the latest version and I only have one VF (*Junk Mail*). When I used the 3.2.2.2, I locked up. Went back to Ver 3.1.33 and deleted the VF and reran 3.2.2.2. Exited with no problem. Am going to continue to use this, 3.2.2.2, version without any VF and see how it goes. -- Best regards, Michael :texasflag: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Daily Bible Verses at http://freeop.blogspot.com/ Registered Linux User #367776 Drive not ready (R)etry (G)o to Impulse (C)all Geordi Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:01:49 +0100, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: The question might be better asked as do you have any virtual folders in your folder tree? (at all - whatever version. The current theory is that the presence of these is causing the lock up on exit). Yes I do: *Recent* and *Flagged*. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro and The Bat! Pro 3.0.1.33 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [the_bat] Re: 3022 is awesome
Hello Michael, A reminder of what Michael Acklin typed on: 29 October 2004 at 16:02:55 GMT +0200 MA Went back to Ver 3.1.33 and deleted the VF and reran 3.2.2.2. MA Exited with no problem. Well it continues to look as if it's VF's that are causing it then. Still leaves the problem of 9val never having used VF's and his still locks up... Possibly totally unrelated? -- Best regards,Tony. _ The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush 29/10/2004 at 15:08 UTC 2ØØ4 - AWB Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [the_bat] Re: 3022 is awesome
On Friday, October 29, 2004, 16:10, Tony Boom wrote: Still leaves the problem of 9val never having used VF's and his still locks up... It's the opposite: He uses VFs but still can exit TB! normally. On the other hand, we have Mary who have never used VFs but did experience the hang on close issue. Note that she pointed out this could be unrelated though, for her it might be a connection issue. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
Hello MaXxX, Friday, October 29, 2004, 2:42:10 AM, you wrote: M What are you trying to say? That the problems are non-existent, M even if SOME users report them? For certain users, systems and configurations. M That is completely counter-productive. The goal of beta-testing is M not voting who likes the newest version more, but determining the M factors that cause bugs to exhibit themselves. Has nothing to do with voting but rather pointing out that some of us are able to run this version with no hiccups. That is equally important as reporting problems in terms of beta testing. M Perhaps you could describe your system and your mail setup, so that M those of us who had problems with 3.0.22 could compare it to M theirs, snip And exactly which parts of the mail system do you want them to describe? I could shoot you my entire registry entry minus the license key if you think it would help. I could also shoot you various account files for filters, quick templates, and .ini settings. It's easier to find reasons a bug exists than to find reasons it doesn't. If I have a bunch of IE users telling me the CBT training module works just fine for them, and one or two telling me it doesn't, I'm going to look at the non-working machines first to find out why. At any rate my point is that if people don't speak up where there are no problems then the developers have to assume the problem is larger than it is. I agree with Michael, it is faster, I'm not experiencing the hanging connection center (so more stable), and I think it is wonderful that RITLabs is quashing bugs left and right lately. -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons: http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PCWSmileys: http://PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Tagline of the day: Suggested new name for Depends adult undergarments: GRAMPERS! Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
Hello Marck, The question might be better asked as do you have any virtual folders in your folder tree? (at all - whatever version. The current theory is that the presence of these is causing the lock up on exit). As I have said in some other message, I use quite a number of VFs and I haven't had a single problem on exiting TB... yet. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
Hello MaXxX! On Friday, October 29, 2004 at 2:00:43 PM you wrote: No. It would make them look for the reasons behind such behaviour, though it might lead them the wrong way. Anyone remember that the awesome post was triggered by the awful thread? Neither praising TB nor bashing it are that productive. -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request The thing about evolution is that if it hasn't turned your brain inside out, you haven't understood it. (Douglas Adams) Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
Hello Avi, A reminder of what Avi Yashar typed on: 29 October 2004 at 16:17:32 GMT +0200 AY Yes I do: *Recent* and *Flagged*. Then try 3022 without them and see if that cures it. -- Best regards,Tony. _ The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush 29/10/2004 at 18:07 UTC 2ØØ4 - AWB Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3022 is awesome
TB BETA ERS, I love the bat! I love 3.0.2.2. It is fast, stable and wonderful. I have tested it on three machines, all different brands, with no problems. Wonderful release. -- Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
Hallo Michael, On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:23:18 -0700GMT (29-10-2004, 1:23 +0200, where I live), you wrote: MLW I love the bat! I love 3.0.2.2. It is fast, stable and wonderful. Confirmed. -- Groetjes, Roelof sorry, I don't date outside my species The Bat! 3.0.2.2 Rush Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpjijqTlUlqL.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
Hello Roelof! On Thursday, October 28, 2004, 6:29 PM, you wrote: MLW I love the bat! I love 3.0.2.2. It is fast, stable and wonderful. RO Confirmed. Confirmed. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
Hi Michael, On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, at 16:23:18 [GMT -0700] (which was 5:23 PM where I live) you wrote: MLW I love the bat! I love 3.0.2.2. It is fast, stable and wonderful. MLW I have tested it on three machines, all different brands, with no MLW problems. Wonderful release. Confirmed. -- Leif -:- TB Lists Moderator -:- PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Tagline of the day: A BIG ROCKmeA HARD PLACE Roguemoticons - http://www.PCWize.com/thebat PCWSmileys- http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
Hæ! Friday, October 29, 2004, 01:23, Michael L. Wilson wrote: I love the bat! I love 3.0.2.2. It is fast, stable and wonderful. Confirmed, too. :) -- Kveðja, Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ | The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush Professional PopFile v0.22.0 | Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) +---+ | Get Firefox - Take back the web! | | http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliatesamp;id=22411amp;t=1 | +---+ Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
