Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
Hello Roelof, On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:55:29 +0100 GMT (27/Feb/09, 22:55 +0700 GMT), Roelof Otten wrote: TF But then, the TBBETA community seems to see this as too revolutionary TF at the moment. RO I don't know about he community, but I think the idea definitely has RO some merits. I have a load of duplicated filters, Thanks. I'll buy you a beer in 2-3 years when I bring it up again. RO it's simply that I couldn't resist to argue against your Every RO filter without exception. On second thought, forget about that beer. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Cannot open file C:\Program Files\The Bat!\cookies.txt http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.11.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
Hello Roelof, On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:43:55 +0100 GMT (26/Feb/09, 15:43 +0700 GMT), Roelof Otten wrote: TF Every filter without exception. When I create an Incoming filter, I TF have to create an Outgoing filter, mirroring the exact same TF conditions. RO I can't imagine that you created incoming filters for the tb-lists RO with exact matches as outgoing filters. RO Just an example. OK. Granted. That's on my mailing list account. RO Even though I've got quite a few outgoing filters that match incoming RO filters, there's a whole bunch of them with rather different RO conditions and then there's this multitude of incoming filters that RO don't need a matching outgoing filter. In the office I have well over 100 filters that are duplicated. But then, the TBBETA community seems to see this as too revolutionary at the moment. Same happened with HTML implementation at the time. I'll bring it up again in a year or two. -- Cheers, Thomas. Cannot open file C:\Program Files\The Bat!\cookies.txt http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.11.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
Hallo Thomas, On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:29:47 +0700GMT (27-2-2009, 16:29 +0100, where I live), you wrote: TF But then, the TBBETA community seems to see this as too revolutionary TF at the moment. I don't know about he community, but I think the idea definitely has some merits. I have a load of duplicated filters, it's simply that I couldn't resist to argue against your Every filter without exception. -- Groetjes, Roelof I'm never difficult...Impossible maybe, difficult, never. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.1.11.6 Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgpP6wIGO2lTR.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.1.11.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
Hallo Thomas, On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 05:16:27 +0700GMT (25-2-2009, 23:16 +0100, where I live), you wrote: TF Every filter without exception. When I create an Incoming filter, I TF have to create an Outgoing filter, mirroring the exact same TF conditions. I can't imagine that you created incoming filters for the tb-lists with exact matches as outgoing filters. Just an example. Even though I've got quite a few outgoing filters that match incoming filters, there's a whole bunch of them with rather different conditions and then there's this multitude of incoming filters that don't need a matching outgoing filter. -- Groetjes, Roelof I have seen the future and it is now the past. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.1.11.4 Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgptXiO8n681o.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.1.11.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
Hello Thomas, I just find the required duplication very inefficient. I think this is a weak point of the otherwise very suprior filtering system, which is probably one of the sales drivers. I have several of your messages in this same thread marked 'for reply' but I guess I'll just summarise what I want to say in this one. Correct me if I'm wrong (my memory is not improving with age) but, IIRC from discussions in the past, you use 'hundreds' of filters, don't you?. And it is probably because of the huge number of filters that you actually 'complain' about having to 'duplicate' them, and that's understandable. But, it seems to me (again correct me if I'm wrong), that you're probably using a quite 'basic' approach (i.e. just one filter after the other), much in the way you can do with OE and other email clients, and not taking real advantage of (in your own words above) a very superior filtering system. What I mean is that Alexander, for example, had a similar approach to yours and, as pointed in my mid:358866294.20090224123...@rancho-k.com, he could replace his 300 filters (150 incoming and 150 outgoing) by just two. Have you never stopped and said Wait a minute! There must be a better way to set up this. What I mean is that when I was active (before retiring about one year ago) I corresponded with a lot of people from different countries and companies and, although I had an specific folder for many of them, the same was not true for filters. I set up folders trees for countries and then perhaps sub-folders for companies, another level for departments and maybe another level for specific people. Then, with a somewhat similar structure, I had several Address Books with different groups in them and took advantage of this in my filtering set-up. Also taking advantage of one of the powerful features in TB's filtering like filters and sub-filters. For example, I have seen people having a (top level) filter for each person in a company (i.e. with same domain in email address) when it is much more efficient to have the top filter just check for the domain (or AB and group, etc.) and, if true, then check for the different people in sub-filters. Finally, I don't know (or don't remember) your specific reason(s) to have so many filters in your set-up and why as you say somewhere in the thread, you always use 'Headers' in the filter conditions. I will not say that you can reduce your number of filters to just two, but I am quite sure there must be a way of setting up a more comprehensive, more efficient and easier to maintain structure of folders and filters. Correct me if I am wrong :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.11.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.11.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
Mittwoch, 25. Februar 2009 at 01:14, Thomas Fernandez wrote: I don't use Sender/Recipient, I only use 'Header contains' Thats blurred, i guess. I filter with 'Receipient contains u...@domain.eu' If i would tick in/outgoing i need seperate Filter Actions for in/outgoing, because 'Receipient' would change to 'Sender'. Maybe it could be possible to have a global valid filter rule with checkbox 'valid for all Filteractions of this Filter' and if this is not checked, you can access the other Tabs with different filter rules for in/out/... Maybe i should draw it? -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.3 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.1.11.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
Jens, On 25-02-2009 10:34, you wrote in mid:1482584674.20090225103...@gmx.de: If i would tick in/outgoing i need seperate Filter Actions for in/outgoing, because 'Receipient' would change to 'Sender'. Other programs call this correspondent. Problem solved. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 4.0.39.39 (BETA) Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. 2 POP3, 14 IMAP (Courier) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 200K+ msgs. /env. os Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 /os Current beta is 4.1.11.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
Hello Thomas, M I certainly hope that this wish will be never implemented. We have been through this. Most probably yes. But I'm getting old and tend to forget things. I always filter on headers only. Yes, I seem to recall that now although I don't recall the reasons why you do it. Wouldn't it be easier for you to take advantage of address book(s) and groups similarly to the way I suggested to Alexander? I don't understand why you say you hope this will never be implemented. Well, maybe that was a bit 'rude'. What I actually mean is that I am very afraid about anyone 'touching' the code of the filtering system. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.11.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.11.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
Mittwoch, 25. Februar 2009 at 11:32, MAU wrote: What I actually mean is that I am very afraid about anyone 'touching' the code of the filtering system. And this is to be understand completely...! -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.3 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.1.11.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
On Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 7:00:22 AM, MAU wrote: I think the developers have much more important bugs and issues to address. Like for example IMAP (which, BTW, I don't use at all). Yes, I think that many users are going to be very disappointed, and others are going to move on to being very Pi**ed off, if the is some other frolic such as this before IMAP becomes the focus of development. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.1.11.4 on Windows Vista version 6,0 () Current beta is 4.1.11.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
Hello MAU, On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:32:19 +0100 GMT (25/Feb/09, 17:32 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: I don't understand why you say you hope this will never be implemented. M Well, maybe that was a bit 'rude'. What I actually mean is that I am M very afraid about anyone 'touching' the code of the filtering system. I just find the required duplication very inefficient. I think this is a weak point of the otherwise very suprior filtering system, which is probably one of the sales drivers. -- Cheers, Thomas. Cannot open file C:\Program Files\The Bat!\cookies.txt http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.11.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
Hello Jens, On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:34:15 +0100 GMT (25/Feb/09, 16:34 +0700 GMT), Jens Franik wrote: I don't use Sender/Recipient, I only use 'Header contains' JF Thats blurred, i guess. Call it what you want, I've always used it this way and it does exactly what I need. JF I filter with 'Receipient contains u...@domain.eu' You are limiting yourself, but that's OK. Your choice. You will still have that choice when (if) my wish is implemented. JF If i would tick in/outgoing i need seperate Filter Actions for JF in/outgoing, because 'Receipient' would change to 'Sender'. No. If you still want to have seperate filters (one for recipient for outgoing messages, and another one for sender for incoming messages) you can still do that. But they would still have to be two seperate filters. As they are now. No change. My scenario is just more efficient, even if you find it blurred. JF Maybe it could be possible to have a global valid filter rule with JF checkbox 'valid for all Filteractions of this Filter' and if this is JF not checked, you can access the other Tabs with different filter JF rules for in/out/... I have difficulties following this line of thought. JF Maybe i should draw it? If you are serious, you might have an idea that is useful. I just don't understand what you mean. Looking forward for your drawing. -- Cheers, Thomas. Cannot open file C:\Program Files\The Bat!\cookies.txt http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.11.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
Hello Dwight, On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 07:24:55 -0600 GMT (25/Feb/09, 20:24 +0700 GMT), Dwight Corrin wrote: I think the developers have much more important bugs and issues to address. Like for example IMAP (which, BTW, I don't use at all). DC Yes, I think that many users are going to be very disappointed, and DC others are going to move on to being very Pi**ed off, if the is some DC other frolic such as this before IMAP becomes the focus of DC development. This is not frolic, I find the current behaviour very annoying, as it requires duplication for every filter I create new. Check out the bugreport, there are many supporters who think the same. -- Cheers, Thomas. Cannot open file C:\Program Files\The Bat!\cookies.txt http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.11.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
On Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 9:17:49 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: This is not frolic, I find the current behaviour very annoying, as it requires duplication for every filter I create new. Check out the bugreport, there are many supporters who think the same. the current filter structure is powerful and works. The current IMAP behavior is flawed. If you want to dump IMAP and become an eventual relic fine. Every filter? I have to admit that I don't need TB filters much now with IMAP, but in all my years when I was using pop, with at least a half dozen accounts, I don't recall having to duplicate filters, and certainly not EVERY filter. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.1.11.3 on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 3) Current beta is 4.1.11.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
Hello Dwight, On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:51:18 -0600 GMT (25/Feb/09, 23:51 +0700 GMT), Dwight A Corrin wrote: This is not frolic, I find the current behaviour very annoying, as it requires duplication for every filter I create new. Check out the bugreport, there are many supporters who think the same. DAC the current filter structure is powerful and works. The current IMAP DAC behavior is flawed. If you want to dump IMAP and become an eventual DAC relic fine. Who is talking about dumping IMAP? DAC Every filter? I have to admit that I don't need TB filters much now DAC with IMAP, but in all my years when I was using pop, with at least a DAC half dozen accounts, I don't recall having to duplicate filters, and DAC certainly not EVERY filter. Every filter without exception. When I create an Incoming filter, I have to create an Outgoing filter, mirroring the exact same conditions. -- Cheers, Thomas. Cannot open file C:\Program Files\The Bat!\cookies.txt http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.11.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
On Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 4:16:27 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Who is talking about dumping IMAP? I would interpret a change in development direction from IMAP next to working on the sorting office as dumping IMAP, and there are (maybe 'were') a number of beta testers much more disturbed about current IMAP conditions than I. Every filter without exception. When I create an Incoming filter, I have to create an Outgoing filter, mirroring the exact same conditions. I just looked at an old pop account, which had 94 incoming filters and twelve outgoing. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.1.11.3 on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 3) Current beta is 4.1.11.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
Hello Alexander,
Yes, that would be very convenient!
For each of my numerous (about 150) penpals I've got
a separate folder for storing the corresponding communication.
Currently I have to create two identical filters for each folder
(one for incoming and one for outgoing messages).
It would be nice to replace each pair with a single template.
Before seeing that you had replied here I posted this note in BT:
,- [ ]
| From what you say I assume you don't know that, for a situation like the
| one you describe in your note (150 penpals), you only need one (a single
| one, not 150) incoming filter and one outgoing for all of them. And this
| way, if or when you add more names to your pelpal list you don't need to
| add extra filters, the same single one works for them too.
|
| This is not the right place to explain how, but if you post a message
| and open a thread in TBBeta or TBUDL I will explain how.
`-
I have a similar situation with family and relatives (some 30 or so). I
have them all in Address Book under Family group. Then I created a
Virtual Folder (I'll explain why virtual) and this Incoming filter:
TB! Message Filter
beginFilter
UID: [8C7265C6.01C7E634.2FBF1D66.19186D00]
Name: Familia
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`12`Familia`0`0\0D\0A}
MoveMessage AutoFolder folder \5C\5CMAU\5CFamilia\5C%ABFromName
IsActive
Ignore
endFilter
And this Outgoing one:
TB! Message Filter
beginFilter
UID: [94CACA8E.01C7E4A3.24C54C4C.3995EF7E]
Name: Familia
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`12`Familia`0`1\0D\0A}
MoveMessage AutoFolder folder \5C\5CMAU\5CFamilia\5C%ABToName
IsActive
IsSendQueue
endFilter
In both cases, the action 'Move to folder' has the 'Automatically
create if necessary' option set. This is why the filters work when I
add new members to the Family or Friends AB group.
Finally, why do I use a Virtual Folder as the Family 'root' folder under
which each member's sub-folder will be? Assume I write to my brother
Jose and CC some others and a few of my nieces. The outgoing message
will be files in Jose's folder and soo will be his reply is he does. But
if some of those who were CCed also reply, each of their replies will end
up in a different folder, right?
That's the reason for the VF. It looks into all family sub-folders and
uses a threaded view mode. This way I can see the whole thread in the
VF without having to 'jump' to each of the individual folders.
But there is a small 'Gotcha!'. Every time a sub-folder is created
automatically, I have to remember to add it to the list of folders
watched by the VF. That's all.
Hope this may be of some use to you and others.
--
Best regards,
Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
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Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
Hello, friends. MAU (M) 24.02.2009 (17:38): M Hello Alexander, For each of my numerous (about 150) penpals I've got a separate folder for storing the corresponding communication. Currently I have to create two identical filters for each folder (one for incoming and one for outgoing messages). It would be nice to replace each pair with a single template. M From what you say I assume you don't know that, for a situation like the M one you describe in your note (150 penpals), you only need one (a single M one, not 150) incoming filter and one outgoing for all of them. And this M way, if or when you add more names to your pelpal list you don't need to M add extra filters, the same single one works for them too. [...] M I have a similar situation with family and relatives (some 30 or so). M I have them all in Address Book under Family group. Then I created M a Virtual Folder (I'll explain why virtual) and this Incoming filter: [...] Awesome idea! I will try to follow... Thanks a lot! -- Alexander Gutman Using The Bat! v4.1.11.2 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 4.1.11.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
Dienstag, 24. Februar 2009 at 02:25, Thomas Fernandez wrote: One kind of filters https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3319 Only one kind of Filters - would be beautiful. (of course you then need a search option, but ok) -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.3 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.1.11.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
Dienstag, 24. Februar 2009 at 08:15, Alexander E. Gutman wrote: For each of my numerous (about 150) penpals I've got a separate folder for storing the corresponding communication. Currently I have to create two identical filters for each folder (one for incoming and one for outgoing messages). It would be nice to replace each pair with a single template. Exactly what i do, monitor private IN+OUT in one Folder. -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.3 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.1.11.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
Hello Thomas, I know you were working on the command line rather than the filters, but this wish is still open: One kind of filters https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3319 I certainly hope that this wish will be never implemented. While I can understand your (and other's) reasons for the wish, I would not solve the problem of 'duplicating' filters in many cases (e.g.'Sender' in incoming conditions would need to be 'Recipient' in outgoing) and it could complicate things quite a bit, like in my case, because you would be 'forced' to the same filter order for both incoming and out outgoing (and Read and Replied) and more so if the 'continue processing with other filters' option is used. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.11.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.11.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
Hello Alexander, Awesome idea! I will try to follow... Thanks a lot! The Bat! can always do much more than you think it can ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.11.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.11.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
Hello Jens, One kind of filters https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3319 Only one kind of Filters - would be beautiful. See my reply to Thomas. It would complicate things much more that some may think. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.11.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.11.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
Hello MAU, I would not solve ... _it_ would not solve... (Darn arthritic fingers!) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.11.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.11.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
Hello all, Tuesday, February 24, 2009, Thomas Fernandez wrote: MM [+] the /REFILTER command line parameter now includes parameters MM for specifying filter sets: INCOMING (aka IN), OUTGOING (aka OUT), MM READ (RD), REPLIED (RP) and MANUALONLY (aka MANUAL) for using MM manual filters only. E.g.: /REFILTER;F=\\Account\My Folder;IN;REPLIED I know you were working on the command line rather than the filters, but this wish is still open: One kind of filters https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3319 guys I am thinking about one king of filter, but I do not think this could be useful. Filters are processed in order in which they are placed in list, so if there will be one kind of filter in one list only, filter will be processed in same order for every type and I do not think, this is better than now. And BTW I do not think, subfilters could be implemented in such scheme. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.1.11.3 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.0.1 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.1.11.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
Dienstag, 24. Februar 2009 at 13:04, MAU wrote: It would not solve the problem of 'duplicating' filters in many cases (e.g.'Sender' in incoming conditions would need to be 'Recipient' in outgoing) and it could complicate things quite a bit, like in my case, because you would be 'forced' to the same filter order for both incoming and out outgoing (and Read and Replied) and more so if the 'continue processing with other filters' option is used. Ok, then it could be useful to have an easy way to maybe glue together filters for in/out in any way to have them in overview. Maybe it could be a possibility to have a special input form or a special filter type incoming-double (which means duplicate in outgoing). I see that MAU is right, but there is something missing to ease up the work. -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.3 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.1.11.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
Hello Jens, Ok, then it could be useful to have an easy way to maybe glue together filters for in/out in any way to have them in overview. Maybe it could be a possibility to have a special input form or a special filter type incoming-double (which means duplicate in outgoing). As some people in this list may remember, the 'birth' of NFS (New Filtering System) some 4/5 years ago was not a 'pain-free labor'. But it was born, grew up and, except for a few small quirks, it is working flawlessly and it can do and achieve much much more than many people would have ever dreamed of. So, let it be as it is. I think the developers have much more important bugs and issues to address. Like for example IMAP (which, BTW, I don't use at all). -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.11.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.11.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
Hello MAU, On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:04:28 +0100 GMT (24/Feb/09, 19:04 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: I know you were working on the command line rather than the filters, but this wish is still open: One kind of filters https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3319 M I certainly hope that this wish will be never implemented. We have been through this. If you want to use seperate Incoming and Outgoing filters, you still can. Just check only Incoming or only Outgoing. However, for me and many other people, it would be useful and increase efficiency not to have the duplication we have now. M While I can understand your (and other's) reasons for the wish, I M would not solve the problem of 'duplicating' filters in many cases M (e.g.'Sender' in incoming conditions would need to be 'Recipient' M in outgoing) I always filter on headers only. But as I said, you can still set up one filter as Incoming and use Sender, while you make another Outgoing and filter on Recipient. The exact functionality we have now can still be maintained. for me, it's inefficient as *every* filter has to be duplicated. M and it could complicate things quite a bit, like in my case, M because you would be 'forced' to the same filter order for both M incoming and out outgoing (and Read and Replied) No. See above. You are *not forced* to use a filter for both, you have tickmarks. It is entirely up to you to tick only Incoming or Outgoing, having the exact same functionality you have now, or tick both, which would increase efficiency for many of us. M and more so if the 'continue processing with other filters' option M is used. This has nothing to do with it. When messages are incoming, all the filters that have Incoming checked are used, in very much the same way the Incoing filters used now. When you send messages (which is a different activity of the program), all filters having Outgoing checked will be used, very much like now. The only difference will be that one filter can have both Incoming and Outgoing checked, if you want. If you don't want, then don't check both. Easy. Miguel, the funcitionality in the wish will not take anything away from you. You can still work the same way you work now. for some (or many) of us, it would avoid duplication of filters, because we work differently from you. I don't understand why you say you hope this will never be implemented. If this is an additional funcitonality but you don't want to use it, I don't see why you would be against it being implemented for those who do? I don't use IMAP, I have never said I hope it won't be implemented, because the functionality I use, POP, is still there the same old way. -- Cheers, Thomas. Cannot open file C:\Program Files\The Bat!\cookies.txt http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.11.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
Hello Marek, On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:17:21 +0100 GMT (24/Feb/09, 19:17 +0700 GMT), Marek Mikus wrote: One kind of filters https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3319 MM guys I am thinking about one king of filter, but I do not think this could MM be useful. Not for you, but certainly for me. MM Filters are processed in order in which they are placed in list, so if MM there will be one kind of filter in one list only, filter will be processed MM in same order for every type and I do not think, this is better than now. It will cut down duplication from 100% to zero. Only the filters that have Incoming ticked will be looked at when messages come in; only filters that have Outgoing ticked will be looked at when messages are sent. If you want different orders (I wouldn't know why, but people work differently) there is absolutely no reason why you can't use the filters the same way you do now. Just tick only Incoming or only Outgoing, and you are exactly where you are now. In fact, I don't know why the filters were ever seperated into different kinds. MM And BTW I do not think, subfilters could be implemented in such scheme. They certainly can. What I am talking about is an additional feature, not taking anything away from the existing filters. If a VNFS (Very New Filtering System) be introduced, all the current Incoming filters would be converted to filters that have only Incoming checked, and all the current Outgoing filters would be converted to filters that have only Outgoing checked. If you don't do anything, the exact same functionality as now is preserved. But you would have the option to change - and I would remove all my duplications. -- Cheers, Thomas. Cannot open file C:\Program Files\The Bat!\cookies.txt http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.11.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
Dienstag, 24. Februar 2009 at 16:09, Thomas Fernandez wrote: We have been through this. If you want to use seperate Incoming and Outgoing filters, you still can. Just check only Incoming or only Outgoing. However, for me and many other people, it would be useful and increase efficiency not to have the duplication we have now. But you need a tab for every Filter condition in this single Filter, thats true - i did not think about it bevore MAU mentioned that. Because Sender: on incoming is Receipient: in Outgoing and maybe you would like to define the Filters yourself - but in a singel Filter in seperate Tabs... -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.3 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.1.11.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
Hello Jens, On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:36:54 +0100 GMT (25/Feb/09, 3:36 +0700 GMT), Jens Franik wrote: We have been through this. If you want to use seperate Incoming and Outgoing filters, you still can. Just check only Incoming or only Outgoing. However, for me and many other people, it would be useful and increase efficiency not to have the duplication we have now. JF But you need a tab for every Filter condition in this single Filter, JF thats true - i did not think about it bevore MAU mentioned that. No you don't. All tickmarks are on the same page. JF Because Sender: on incoming is Receipient: in Outgoing and maybe you JF would like to define the Filters yourself - but in a singel Filter in JF seperate Tabs... No, if a condition is Sender for Incoming, and Recipient for Outgoing, then these are different filters, because they have different conditions. You can still use seperate Incoming and Outgoing filters, you know. I don't use Sender/Recipient, I only use 'Header contains'. -- Cheers, Thomas. Cannot open file C:\Program Files\The Bat!\cookies.txt http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.11.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
Hello Maxim, On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:01:15 +0200 GMT (24/Feb/09, 4:01 +0700 GMT), Maxim Masiutin wrote: MM [+] the /REFILTER command line parameter now includes parameters MM for specifying filter sets: INCOMING (aka IN), OUTGOING (aka OUT), MM READ (RD), REPLIED (RP) and MANUALONLY (aka MANUAL) for using MM manual filters only. E.g.: /REFILTER;F=\\Account\My Folder;IN;REPLIED I know you were working on the command line rather than the filters, but this wish is still open: One kind of filters https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3319 -- Cheers, Thomas. Cannot open file C:\Program Files\The Bat!\cookies.txt http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.11.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.4 - Filters
Thomas Fernandez (TF) 24.02.2009 (7:25): TF One kind of filters TF https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3319 Supported (by adding a note): Yes, that would be very convenient! For each of my numerous (about 150) penpals I've got a separate folder for storing the corresponding communication. Currently I have to create two identical filters for each folder (one for incoming and one for outgoing messages). It would be nice to replace each pair with a single template. -- Alexander Gutman (ICQ: 74258775) Using The Bat! v4.1.11.2 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 4.1.11.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
