Re: 8.3.0.3

[Martin]

Hi Jernej

On Tuesday, April 17, 2018 9:06:53 PM you wrote:

> I'm not sure when this problem appeared, but URLs in text-only
> messages that contain the & character don't work properly when not
> using Plain-text viewer (& is converted to  when clicked).

> Example: https://forum.ultravnc.net/viewtopic.php?f=15=31665

Can not confirm, works perfectly.

Do you really use recent beta 8.3.0.3? I remember that such a problem
existed - but many many betas in past.

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Re: 8.3.0.3

[Jernej Simončič]

On Monday, April 9, 2018, 0:27:49, Maxim Masiutin wrote:

> The Bat! 8.3.0.3 (BETA) is available at
> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8303-32.rar
> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8303-64.rar

I'm not sure when this problem appeared, but URLs in text-only
messages that contain the & character don't work properly when not
using Plain-text viewer (& is converted to  when clicked).

Example: https://forum.ultravnc.net/viewtopic.php?f=15=31665

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Re: 8.3.0.3 [OT]

[Martin]

Hi L�ko

On Wednesday, April 11, 2018 10:01:54 PM you wrote:

>But don't worry, this is my last message to this list.

Du meine G�te - in the editor window at the bottom of the page you
have a button where you can choose the format of your email. Would be
so easy to push this button when writing to the list and choose "Plan
Text".

https://i.imgur.com/UOEoIcN.png

I don't understand - its really easy.

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Re: 8.3.0.3 [OT]

[Lüko Willms]

Hello everybody,

on Mittwoch, 11. April 2018 at 19:38 Viktor Kabelac wrote:


Now who can make sense of this, especially if you quote several blocks?

   I just quoted the structuring headers of the various body parts showing that 
it was NOT an HTML message, but a mixed one. Several body parts of both 
Content-type = text/plain and text/html. 
   
   I assume that anybody who deals with email more intensively, which I assume 
those frequenting this mailing list would, understands how a MIME structured 
email message is partitioned in its various body parts. 
   
   But don't worry, this is my last message to this list. 


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Re: 8.3.0.3 [OT]

[Martin]

Hi L�ko

The moderator Marck Pearlstone of this list asked you already on 31
August 2017 not to send HTML messages.

Thank you for your attention.

> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Von: Marck Pearlstone 
> An : L�ko Willms on TBBETA 
> Datum  : Donnerstag, 31. August 2017, 10:11
> Betreff: Mod: HTML use (was: Please configure Mailman to insert an
> ID for this list in the Subject line)
> Dateien: Part.txt
> --===--
> Dear L�ko,
>
> On 31 August 2017 at 06:00 wil...@luekowillms.de wrote and made these
> points
>
> .. 
LW>>   And: "I do it my way!" as the famous song goes.
>
> 
> Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not
> just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
> instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out L�ko.
>
>   )<)))'>
>
> Please do not send HTML messages to the list
> except for purposes of testing. While the merits of HTML are
> debatable, and have been discussed numerous times on the lists, the
> list rules prohibit HTML e-mail. You can easily automate this by using
> %SetEditor="1" in your list template.
>
> To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of
> private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you
> subscribed.
>
> Thank you.
> 


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Re: 8.3.0.3 [OT]

[Martin]

Hi L�ko

On Wednesday, April 11, 2018 7:18:21 PM you wrote:

>Well, you did not look closer. Look at the structure:

No sorry, there is nothing to do on our side. We had in this list
the specification that we send only plain-text messages.

So please configure *your* The!Bat that it sends only plain-text to
this list.

Thank you.

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Re: 8.3.0.3 [OT]

[Viktor Kabelac]

Dear Lüko,

Wednesday, April 11, 2018, 7:18:21 PM, you wrote:

> Hello everybody,
> on Mittwoch, 11. April 2018 at 15:02 Martin wrote:
>> PS. Why do you send HTML message to the list?
>Well, you did not look closer. Look at the structure:
Why should he and why should he? 
You clearly did send an HTML message into a mailing list, which is not on the 
usual list of good practices, regardless on how high esteem of yourself your 
tone implies.

As a solution you propose - for everyone - to configure their mail clients to 
ignore HTML whatsoever, which is clearly not what anyone meant to.

Look how readable quoting is in your message:
   
Now who can make sense of this, especially if you quote several blocks?
German has a nice expression for this: da kennt sich kein Schwein aus.

So, now that I, too, resorted to using an HTML message, may I suggest a humbler 
approach and actually listening to what people are trying to tell you instead 
of suggesting crude workarounds for your arbitrary choices?
Thank you.

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Re: 8.3.0.3 [OT]

[Lüko Willms]

Hello everybody,

on Mittwoch, 11. April 2018 at 15:02 Martin wrote:

> PS. Why do you send HTML message to the list? 

   Well, you did not look closer. Look at the structure: 
   
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===1794156795773411844=="
  
  --===1794156795773411844==
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 boundary="--01F0F520F077012D5"

   01F0F520F077012D5
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250
  Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
  
  01F0F520F077012D5
  Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1250
  Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
  
  01F0F520F077012D5--
--===1794156795773411844==
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"  

  
  When you see the text/html instead of the text/plain one, then you should 
configure TheBat! according to your preferences, in the top menu which is 
called in German "Benutzereinstellungen" and in English probably "User 
settings".  
  
  See this dialogue (sorry that I can provide only the German language version)

  



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Re: 8.3.0.3 [OT]

[Viktor Kabelac]

Hello Martin,

Wednesday, April 11, 2018, 3:02:43 PM, you wrote:
> PS. Why do you send HTML message to the list? These messages are
> sometimes not displayed on Gmane.

Plus they are P.i.t.A when quoting. Luckily most fellow list users here stick 
to plain text, unless a subthread gets poisoned by a HTML hero.


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Re: 8.3.0.3 [OT]

[Martin]

Hi L�ko

On Wednesday, April 11, 2018 2:21:14 PM you wrote:

>> News-Server: news.gmane.org
>> Group: gmane.mail.the-bat.beta

>I wonder why they at Gmane do not use the List-ID according to RFC2919 of 
> this list:
> List-Id: 
>but invent their own names.

I don't really know.

PS. Why do you send HTML message to the list? These messages are
sometimes not displayed on Gmane.

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Re: 8.3.0.3 [OT]

[Lüko Willms]

Hello everybody,

on Mittwoch, 11. April 2018 at 10:08 Martin wrote:

> I am accessing via NNTPS:

> News-Server: news.gmane.org
> Group: gmane.mail.the-bat.beta

   I wonder why they at Gmane do not use the List-ID according to RFC2919 of 
this list: 
List-Id: 
   but invent their own names. 



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Re: 8.3.0.3 [OT]

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Martin,

Wednesday, April 11, 2018, 3:08:50 PM, you wrote:

> Hi Thomas

> On Wednesday, April 11, 2018 2:50:59 AM you wrote:

>> Good  to  hear  that Gmane is back! (I just saw on its website that it
>> has  been  up  for  over  a  year  already.) Alas, a search for TBBETA
>> returns empty. How to access it?

> I am accessing via NNTPS:

> News-Server: news.gmane.org
> Group: gmane.mail.the-bat.beta

Thanks, I'll try that. I was looking at the website gmane.org.

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Re: 8.3.0.3 [OT]

[Martin]

Hi Thomas

On Wednesday, April 11, 2018 2:50:59 AM you wrote:

> Good  to  hear  that Gmane is back! (I just saw on its website that it
> has  been  up  for  over  a  year  already.) Alas, a search for TBBETA
> returns empty. How to access it?

I am accessing via NNTPS:

News-Server: news.gmane.org
Group: gmane.mail.the-bat.beta

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Re: 8.3.0.3 [OT]

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Martin,

Tuesday, April 10, 2018, 11:26:26 PM, you wrote:

> Hi Ethan

> [OT] Could you please send your messages to the list only with plain
> text and not with HTML format.

> Gmane.org as place where all the messages are stored seems not to
> accept HTML messages - they are empty when trying to read them on
> their platform.

Good  to  hear  that Gmane is back! (I just saw on its website that it
has  been  up  for  over  a  year  already.) Alas, a search for TBBETA
returns empty. How to access it?

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Re: 8.3.0.3 [OT]

[Martin]

Hi Ethan

[OT] Could you please send your messages to the list only with plain
text and not with HTML format.

Gmane.org as place where all the messages are stored seems not to
accept HTML messages - they are empty when trying to read them on
their platform.

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Re: 8.3.0.3

[Ethan J. Mings]

Title: Re: 8.3.0.3


Hello Maxim,

Sunday, April 8, 2018, 6:27:49 PM, you wrote:

> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8303-32.rar

This version is up and running.

However, for no reason at all, it will shut down and restart?  

Have others experience this problem with the 32 bit version.

Jerry

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Re: 8.3.0.3 - New icons look deactivated but aren't

[Gwen]

Hello Maxim,
On Mon, 9 Apr 2018, at 20:13:24 [GMT +0200] (which was 20:13 where I
live) mse wrote:

MM>> [-] (#0001466)  Add buttons "Subscript" and "Superscript" to the HTML 
editor
MM>> [-] (#0001463)  Add the button "Strikethrough" to the HTML editor
>
> I would suggest to increase the contrast of the three icons or change
> them to be less grey. Right now, on first glance they look like a
> deactivated function.

I agree to a change of the contrast level.



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Re: 8.3.0.3 - New icons look deactivated but aren't

[mse]

Hello Maxim,

MM> [-] (#0001466)  Add buttons "Subscript" and "Superscript" to the HTML editor
MM> [-] (#0001463)  Add the button "Strikethrough" to the HTML editor

I would suggest to increase the contrast of the three icons or change
them to be less grey. Right now, on first glance they look like a
deactivated function. Look at the screen shot here:

* The icons for text justification or enumerations look activated and 
are activated.
* The icons for inserting rows or columns look deactivated and are 
deactivated.
*But the icons for strikeout and scripts look deactivated but are 
activated.

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Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: 8.3.0.3

[Maxim Masiutin]

Hello Gwen,

Monday, April 9, 2018, 1:42:05 PM, you wrote:

> This format bare shows up in plain text MicroEd, should be hidden.

Yes, we will hide them.

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Re: 8.3.0.3

[Viktor Kabelac]

Hello Gwen,

Monday, April 9, 2018, 12:42:05 PM, you wrote:

> Hello Maxim,
> On Mon, 9 Apr 2018, at 01:27:49 [GMT +0300] (which was 00:27 where I
> live) Maxim wrote:
>> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8303-32.rar
>> [-] (#0001466)  Add buttons "Subscript" and "Superscript" to the HTML editor
>> [-] (#0001463)  Add the button "Strikethrough" to the HTML editor
> This format bare shows up in plain text MicroEd, should be hidden.
I can confirm this: all three formatting menu items are being shown in the
Format menu of both plain-text editors (MicroEd and Windows editor) where they 
neither make
sense nor have visible effect.

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Re: 8.3.0.3

[Gwen]

Hello Maxim,
On Mon, 9 Apr 2018, at 01:27:49 [GMT +0300] (which was 00:27 where I
live) Maxim wrote:

> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8303-32.rar
>
> [-] (#0001466)  Add buttons "Subscript" and "Superscript" to the HTML editor
> [-] (#0001463)  Add the button "Strikethrough" to the HTML editor

This format bare shows up in plain text MicroEd, should be hidden.

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Re: 8.3.0.3

[Martin]

Hi Anton

On Monday, April 9, 2018 7:28:22 AM you wrote:

>> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8303-64.rar

> can anyone put tb8303-64.rar on some file sharing resource? (because
> ritlabs.com doesn't work)

No problem over here - files can be downloaded from here without any
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Re: 8.3.0.3

[Anton Belenki]

> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8303-64.rar

can anyone put tb8303-64.rar on some file sharing resource? (because
ritlabs.com doesn't work)

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Re: 8.3.0.3

[Anton Belenki]

> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8303-64.rar

Secure Connection Failed

The connection to www.ritlabs.com was interrupted while the page was loading.

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Re: 8.3.0.3

[Curt Akin]

Hello Maxim,

U

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> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8303-64.rar



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Re: 8.3.0.3

[Ethan J. Mings]

Title: Re: 8.3.0.3


Hello Maxim,

Sunday, April 8, 2018, 6:27:49 PM, you wrote:

> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8303-32.rar

I have this version up and running.

I'll see if I still have challenges with google (authorization challenges)
Jerry

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