Re: [OT] Bob's rogue (was: Re: TB and various IMAP Issues)
Hello Volker, After all, if we look far enough into our family trees we all come from the same apes, don't we? No, not me! ;-) That's right. I forgot that a few of you come directly from frogs ;) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.11.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.11.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [OT] Bob's rogue (was: Re: TB and various IMAP Issues)
[Reply to: »MAU« · 2009-02-10 · 13:03 h (CET)] Moin, MAU! After all, if we look far enough into our family trees we all come from the same apes, don't we? No, not me! ;-) That's right. I forgot that a few of you come directly from frogs ;) Hear! This is my granny talking: http://www.ahrendt.net/share/frog.wav :-) Cheers! VA - -- Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! QA mailto:va%20%3...@ahrendt.net%3e?subject=[tbb]%20 Using /\^o^/\! 4.1.11.3 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by.« – Douglas Adams (* March 11, 1952; † May 11, 2001) Current beta is 4.1.11.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT: [OT] Bob's rogue (was: Re: TB and various IMAP Issues)
Hallo Volker, On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:49:51 +0100GMT (10-2-2009, 13:49, where I live), you wrote: After all, if we look far enough into our family trees we all come from the same apes, don't we? No, not me! ;-) That's right. I forgot that a few of you come directly from frogs ;) VA Hear! This is my granny talking: VA http://www.ahrendt.net/share/frog.wav :-) Though amusing, it's time to put a stop on this. moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Volker. ' This thread is moving into the Off-Topic realm. Please continue this on TBOT (this message has been CC'd to the TBOT list to maintain threading.) You can subscribe to TBOT by sending a message to: tbot-subscr...@yahoogroups.com To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof Moderators are like policemen. You can never find one when needed. pgpFLXlcOMRI6.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.1.11.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and various IMAP Issues
Dear Bob, --- Bob Riley / Sonntag 08.02.2009, 20:13:04 TB and various IMAP Issues I enjoy this group immensely. Thank you all. And I loved to read your post :) Bob Riley in Albuquerque, New Mexico, Les Etats-Unis the Planet Earth, the Universe! -- best regards | Using The Bat! 4.0.38 www.EddieCastelli.com | on Windows 2000 5.0 Eddie | Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on Tour | Current beta is 4.1.11.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and various IMAP Issues
Hello Roger, On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 06:55:37 +0200 GMT (09/02/2009, 11:55 +0700 GMT), Roger Phillips wrote: [MAU, replying to Bob Riley:] M Yes, you are just a little older than me but, admit it, you look /much/ M older than me ;-) RP Where do you see Bob's photo? He does not appear in my setup, and I have RP just downloaded the latest 'Rogues' file. Same here. RP When it comes to the age stakes I regret to say that unfortunately I think RP both of you are quite a long way behind me! :( I'm a mere baby compared to you guys, so sorry for jumping in. But this last paragraph brings us to Mary, of course: Mary, are you still here? Or even there? (That's TBOT, to which I'm f'upping.) -- Cheers, Thomas. My old aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, You're next! They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.0.28.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.1.11.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and various IMAP Issues
Hello Roger, ... at my advanced age (even a little older than MAU!). M Yes, you are just a little older than me but, admit it, you look /much/ M older than me ;-) Where do you see Bob's photo? He does not appear in my setup, and I have just downloaded the latest 'Rogues' file. I haven't seen his photo, but I am sure he looks much older than I do ;-) When it comes to the age stakes I regret to say that unfortunately I think both of you are quite a long way behind me! :( Well, at least you've made it to whatever age you have, and who knows if Bob and I will :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.11.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.11.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and various IMAP Issues
Montag, 9. Februar 2009 at 13:18, Thomas Fernandez wrote: [MAU, replying to Bob Riley:] RP Where do you see Bob's photo? He does not appear in my setup, and I have RP just downloaded the latest 'Rogues' file. Same here. Same here, althoug i have some extra Fotos of Ritlabs (because i like to see the People talking too). I have Bob Morris, but not Bob Riley. -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.3 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.1.0.5 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.1.11.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and various IMAP Issues
Hi Roger, On 2/8/2009 9:55 PM, you wrote: Where do you see Bob's photo? He does not appear in my setup, and I have just downloaded the latest 'Rogues' file. I could post my photo somewhere in the mailing list members home, if I knew there was such a place. I would risk the laughter (or envy) from the list members, of course. I sent my photo to MAU by private post (to keep off the mailing list with too much non-beta stuff). However, he has not returned the favor, so I must reluctantly conclude that he has more wrinkles, nose and ear hair than I do. With his uneasy German-Spanish mix, he must also have mental complications as well! When it comes to the age stakes I regret to say that unfortunately I think both of you are quite a long way behind me! :( I am 66. Are you saying that you fought in the Spanish Civil War, 1935-38 or so? -- Bob Riley in New Mexico, USA -- Let there be peace on earth, and let it begin with me. This is our function, our challenge, our fulfillment - and our inheritance, to accept and to share. Current beta is 4.1.11.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and various IMAP Issues
Montag, 9. Februar 2009 at 17:58, Bob Riley wrote: I sent my photo to MAU by private post However, he has not returned the favor, so I must reluctantly conclude that he has more wrinkles http://pcwize.com/thebat/ You can include most of the Peoples Pictures into your Bat with ease, only some photos (for example mine) are not public there (in my case it does still not work to upload it there, even praying did not help). -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.3 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.1.0.5 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.1.11.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and various IMAP Issues
Hi Everyone, On 2/9/2009 11:14 AM, Jens Franik wrote: http://pcwize.com/thebat/ You can include most of the Peoples Pictures into your Bat with ease, only some photos (for example mine) are not public there (in my case it does still not work to upload it there, even praying did not help). I tried to create an account twice - no luck. The submit command to create a new account just left me hanging indefinitely each time. However, I did look at the Rogue's gallery (as a visitor), and I was correct. MAU definitely looks much older than I do. He has more wrinkles and a white beard to boot. On top of that, his German-Spanish heritage shows - he looks like a combination of Tomas de Torquemada and Josef Goebbels! Ask him about how old I look - I did send my photo to him via private post. Thank you, Jens, for sending me that link - even if I couldn't successfully set up an account. :( -- Bob Riley in New Mexico, USA -- Let there be peace on earth, and let it begin with me. This is our function, our challenge, our fulfillment - and our inheritance, to accept and to share. Current beta is 4.1.11.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
[OT] Bob's rogue (was: Re: TB and various IMAP Issues)
Hello Bob, I tried to create an account twice - no luck. The submit command to create a new account just left me hanging indefinitely each time. Well, somehow you got your picture in. I downloaded the latest rogues.zip and I can see you in the headers now. See attached PNG. MAU definitely looks much older than I do. The photo in the gallery is old, not me. On top of that, his German-Spanish heritage shows... Swiss-Spanish. But who cares! After all, if we look far enough into our family trees we all come from the same apes, don't we? I did send my photo to him via private post. Your PM was peacefully sitting in my Spam folder. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.11.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 attachment: Bobinheader.png Current beta is 4.1.11.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and various IMAP Issues
Montag, 9. Februar 2009 at 19:41, Bob Riley wrote: I tried to create an account twice - no luck. The submit command to create a new account just left me hanging indefinitely each time. Exactly, and after that nobody else can login until Admins do reset. You dont need an account, see the Instructions, how to migrate it in the Bat and you will see a lot of People on the right side of the Headersfield. My Photo you see in my signature, because i can not upload it. -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.3 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.1.0.5 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.1.11.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [OT] Bob's rogue (was: Re: TB and various IMAP Issues)
Montag, 9. Februar 2009 at 20:35, MAU wrote: Well, somehow you got your picture in. I downloaded the latest rogues.zip and I can see you in the headers now. See attached PNG. You are kidding! You did add him to your adressbook, thats why he shows up to _YOU_ He not even has a X-Rogue Header set... -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.3 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.1.0.5 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.1.11.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [OT] Bob's rogue (was: Re: TB and various IMAP Issues)
Hello Jens, You are kidding! Who, me? How could I be kidding if, according to Bob, I'm half German ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.11.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.11.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and various IMAP Issues
[Reply to: »Bob Riley« · 2009-02-09 · 19:41 h (CET)]
Moin, Bob!
I tried to create an account twice - no luck. The submit command
to create a new account just left me hanging indefinitely each time.
Same here for two years or so, too! :-/
Cheers!
VA
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Re: [OT] Bob's rogue (was: Re: TB and various IMAP Issues)
[Reply to: »MAU« · 2009-02-09 · 20:49 h (CET)] Moin, MAU! You are kidding! Who, me? How could I be kidding if, according to Bob, I'm half German ;-) LOL – YMMD! I love abbreviations or acronyms! ;-) Cheers! VA - -- Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! QA mailto:va%20%3...@ahrendt.net%3e?subject=[tbb]%20 Using /\^o^/\! 4.1.11.3 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »You live and learn. At any rate, you live.« Douglas Adams (* March 11, 1952; † May 11, 2001) Current beta is 4.1.11.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [OT] Bob's rogue (was: Re: TB and various IMAP Issues)
[Reply to: »MAU« · 2009-02-09 · 20:35 h (CET)] Moin, MAU! MAU definitely looks much older than I do. The photo in the gallery is old, not me. The older a photo is, the younger is the person on the photo [1]! ;-) On top of that, his German-Spanish heritage shows... Swiss-Spanish. But who cares! Swiss or German? That's indeed a difference! :-) After all, if we look far enough into our family trees we all come from the same apes, don't we? No, not me! ;-) Cheers! VA [1] In comparison to today. - -- Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! QA mailto:va%20%3...@ahrendt.net%3e?subject=[tbb]%20 Using /\^o^/\! 4.1.11.3 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by.« – Douglas Adams (* March 11, 1952; † May 11, 2001) Current beta is 4.1.11.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and various IMAP Issues
Montag, 9. Februar 2009 at 20:49, Volker Ahrendt wrote: I tried to create an account twice - no luck. The submit command to create a new account just left me hanging indefinitely each time. Same here for two years or so, too! :-/ I always thought i was dumb so i couln't handle it, but now i should think about to rewrite the whole thing in Perl - this will work. And after that, we have a Mailbased Robot for it - isn't that what a The_Bat Application should be? -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.3 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.1.0.5 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.1.11.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and various IMAP Issues
Hello Bob, Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:26:47 AM, you wrote: Which suggests not negligence but inability to reproduce what you see, either by Rit or by many users, which would include myself If that is true, this suggests that the problem may lay with Gmail's implementation of IMAP (or, possibly, with my IMAP settings in TB, although I have tried to follow Stefan Tanurkov's guidance on those). Do us all a favor and stop feeding the trolls. No matter whether Gmail's IMAP implementation is standard or not, The Bat! *is* broken in this regard. This has been confirmed several times by many users, on various server types. -- Best regards, Robert Tomanek mailto:tbb...@mail.robert.tomanek.org Current beta is 4.1.11.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and various IMAP Issues
On Saturday, February 7, 2009, 9:26:47 PM, Bob Riley wrote: Are you saying that you, too, use IMAP with your ISP and/or Mail Provider, and you don't see the unable to send mail body due to processing error message and/or the queuing problem? I have never seen this error. I have been using fastmail and imap for all my email since June, 2005. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.1.11.2 on Windows Vista version 6,0 () Current beta is 4.1.11.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and various IMAP Issues
Gleason, On 07-02-2009 23:35, you wrote in mid:758413919.20090207173...@mm.st: Which suggests not negligence but inability to reproduce what you see, either by Rit or by many users, which would include myself. Well, I have a lot of problems myself using Courier IMAP and Exchange IMAP. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 4.0.39.33 (BETA) Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. 12 IMAP (Courier) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 1 POP3 MyGate, 300K+ msgs. /env. os Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 /os Current beta is 4.1.11.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and various IMAP Issues
Guten Tag Frank Weidmann, am Sonntag, 8. Februar 2009 um 01:03 schrieben Sie: Hello TB-Beta List, So I will go back to using TB as my primary mail client once the persistent IMAP nuisances are cleared up, whenever that might be. signed this signed as well -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Christian Grams mailto:i...@grams-it.com Current beta is 4.1.11.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and various IMAP Issues
Guten Tag Robert Tomanek, am Sonntag, 8. Februar 2009 um 09:10 schrieben Sie: Do us all a favor and stop feeding the trolls. hear hear No matter whether Gmail's IMAP implementation is standard or not, The Bat! *is* broken in this regard. This has been confirmed several times by many users, on various server types. signed! -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Christian Grams mailto:i...@grams-it.com Current beta is 4.1.11.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and various IMAP Issues
I'm using Fastmail as well but I can confirm all the problems described by Bob. I think Ritlabs should now stick to their statements in which they've announced multiple times to fix the IMAP engine. am Sonntag, 8. Februar 2009 um 09:11 schrieben Sie: On Saturday, February 7, 2009, 9:26:47 PM, Bob Riley wrote: Are you saying that you, too, use IMAP with your ISP and/or Mail Provider, and you don't see the unable to send mail body due to processing error message and/or the queuing problem? I have never seen this error. I have been using fastmail and imap for all my email since June, 2005. -- Michael TB! 3.99.29 on Windows Vista Ultimate Current beta is 4.1.11.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and various IMAP Issues
Hi Everyone, On 2/8/2009 7:55 AM, Michael wrote: I'm using Fastmail as well but I can confirm all the problems described by Bob. I think Ritlabs should now stick to their statements in which they've announced multiple times to fix the IMAP engine. Believe me, I am appreciative of all the comments that my saying I was discontinuing TB use for my primary mail account (Gmail's IMAP) triggered. What I have learned from all of those well-intentioned and, I might add, well-informed, comments are: 1. There are some very tech-savvy people on the TB Beta list. 2. TB's IMAP issues don't seem to affect all the group members, but certainly affect a significant number. They affect some Gmail users and some Fastmail users, but not all of either group. 3. Gmail's IMAP implementation seems a bit different than, say, that of the Worldwide IMAP-capable email system, FastMail. It also seems true that Gmail's may be off the IMAP standard in some way that I wouldn't understand. I really haven't the time or inclination to try to go back to an earlier version of TB, so for now I will continue to use Thunderbird (with Opera as a backup) for my Gmail IMAP account. I will still leave TB installed because I have so many good group addresses set up there and need them for some mailings, even if Thunderbird is now primary for me with Gmail. I will never say anything negative about TB, and I will continue in this beta group just in the hopes that the IMAP functionality improves for me sometime in the future (understanding that some of you are fully satisfied in your experience with TB's IMAP, and some of you are not - I don't know how many fall into each camp). I continue to admire RitLab's hard work. And I have great respect for the people on this list, even if there is an occasional descent into madness which appears here. If Barack Obama can deal patiently with his political opposition, I am sure that we can all learn to be patient with one another and with ourselves, which is where both sanity and madness, peace and violence, Love and fear, are found. Today I will rest (Sunday). Tomorrow, I will continue struggling with building a fire-prevention website using DotNetNuke. One tech struggle at a time is enough for me at my advanced age (even a little older than MAU!). I enjoy this group immensely. Thank you all. Bob Riley in Albuquerque, New Mexico, Les Etats-Unis Current beta is 4.1.11.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and various IMAP Issues
Hello Bob, ... at my advanced age (even a little older than MAU!). Yes, you are just a little older than me but, admit it, you look /much/ older than me ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.11.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 Winamp Playing: Tim Bowman - Sweet Sundays - Tim Bowman (SMOOTHJAZZ.COM - The Internet's Original Smooth Jazz Radio Station - Live from the Monterey Bay) Current beta is 4.1.11.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and various IMAP Issues
Hi Bob, it is a completely different story if we at least partially accept that TB's IMAP implementation is not perfect. And I can say that I'm using TB! for years anyway. Nevertheless the stability of TB! IMAP connection and some other issues are being discussed for years now. In some versions it seems that Ritlabs made some progress and with the next version it is even worse. All I'm saying is that we're waiting for years now and it's really time to improve ( not to say goodbye). Greetings am Sonntag, 8. Februar 2009 um 19:13 schrieben Sie: Hi Everyone, On 2/8/2009 7:55 AM, Michael wrote: I'm using Fastmail as well but I can confirm all the problems described by Bob. I think Ritlabs should now stick to their statements in which they've announced multiple times to fix the IMAP engine. Believe me, I am appreciative of all the comments that my saying I was discontinuing TB use for my primary mail account (Gmail's IMAP) triggered. What I have learned from all of those well-intentioned and, I might add, well-informed, comments are: 1. There are some very tech-savvy people on the TB Beta list. 2. TB's IMAP issues don't seem to affect all the group members, but certainly affect a significant number. They affect some Gmail users and some Fastmail users, but not all of either group. 3. Gmail's IMAP implementation seems a bit different than, say, that of the Worldwide IMAP-capable email system, FastMail. It also seems true that Gmail's may be off the IMAP standard in some way that I wouldn't understand. I really haven't the time or inclination to try to go back to an earlier version of TB, so for now I will continue to use Thunderbird (with Opera as a backup) for my Gmail IMAP account. I will still leave TB installed because I have so many good group addresses set up there and need them for some mailings, even if Thunderbird is now primary for me with Gmail. I will never say anything negative about TB, and I will continue in this beta group just in the hopes that the IMAP functionality improves for me sometime in the future (understanding that some of you are fully satisfied in your experience with TB's IMAP, and some of you are not - I don't know how many fall into each camp). I continue to admire RitLab's hard work. And I have great respect for the people on this list, even if there is an occasional descent into madness which appears here. If Barack Obama can deal patiently with his political opposition, I am sure that we can all learn to be patient with one another and with ourselves, which is where both sanity and madness, peace and violence, Love and fear, are found. Today I will rest (Sunday). Tomorrow, I will continue struggling with building a fire-prevention website using DotNetNuke. One tech struggle at a time is enough for me at my advanced age (even a little older than MAU!). I enjoy this group immensely. Thank you all. Bob Riley in Albuquerque, New Mexico, Les Etats-Unis Current beta is 4.1.11.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Michael TB! 3.99.29 on Windows Vista Ultimate Current beta is 4.1.11.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and various IMAP Issues
Hi Michael, I am taking this off-group just to avoid becoming a distraction. On 2/8/2009 11:43 AM, you wrote: Hi Bob, it is a completely different story if we at least partially accept that TB's IMAP implementation is not perfect. And I can say that I'm using TB! for years anyway. I understand that. I have been using TB for 3 1/2 years (having tried it some years earlier, before I had either Gmail or IMAP of any kind). Nevertheless the stability of TB! IMAP connection and some other issues are being discussed for years now. In some versions it seems that Ritlabs made some progress and with the next version it is even worse. That is what I understand, from being on the TB Beta list. Of all the Windows IMAP-capable clients, it seems as though the two best are (in this order): 1) Mulberry (which has an ugly and overly complex interface IMHO); and 2) Thunderbird (whose interface is better, but not as good as TB's). As I have mentioned, Opera Mail does very well with Gmail's IMAP, also, but its interface IMHO is not as good as even Thunderbird's. All I'm saying is that we're waiting for years now and it's really time to improve ( not to say goodbye). Greetings I understand that, so I am keeping TB on my system but seldom using it for my primary mail account (Gmail's IMAP option). Thank you for writing, Bob Riley Current beta is 4.1.11.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and various IMAP Issues
Vilius, On 08-02-2009 16:43, you wrote in mid:002701c98a04$0c0fe3c0$242fab...@lt: Actually it was version 2.0 when IMAP was promised. As far as I remember it was a year 2002. I am also quite sure it was for version 2. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 4.0.39.33 (BETA) Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. 12 IMAP (Courier) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 1 POP3 MyGate, 300K+ msgs. /env. os Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 /os Current beta is 4.1.11.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and various IMAP Issues
Hello Miguel, Sunday, February 8, 2009, 8:24:53 PM, among other things, you wrote: M Hello Bob, ... at my advanced age (even a little older than MAU!). M Yes, you are just a little older than me but, admit it, you look /much/ M older than me ;-) Where do you see Bob's photo? He does not appear in my setup, and I have just downloaded the latest 'Rogues' file. When it comes to the age stakes I regret to say that unfortunately I think both of you are quite a long way behind me! :( -- Best regards, Roger :flag-SouthAfrica: The Bat! v4.1.11.3 POP3with AntiSpamSniper 3.1.0.5, on Windows XP, version 5 1, build 2600 and Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.11.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and various IMAP Issues
Hello Bob, all of these issues are long-standing and haven't been fixed in years. In fact, you might want to try the final v3-version of TheBat (v3.98.2 I believe), this one is a little (and I do mean a little) better when it comes to IMAP, at least the connection-lost problems don't happen as often as they do with the v4.0.38. I personally even continue using v3.0.1.33 to this day. Funny, isn't it? All of those years of enduring and reporting IMAP issues, and all that has changed is that the issues have grown _worse_ over the versions? -- MfG, Altomailto:a...@treadstone79.de pgpoaDRKxrKoO.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.1.11.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and various IMAP Issues
Hi Alto, On 2/7/2009 10:16 AM, you wrote: Hello Bob, all of these issues are long-standing and haven't been fixed in years. In fact, you might want to try the final v3-version of TheBat (v3.98.2 I believe), this one is a little (and I do mean a little) better when it comes to IMAP, at least the connection-lost problems don't happen as often as they do with the v4.0.38. I personally even continue using v3.0.1.33 to this day. Now that my message base is in the new (version 4.0 on) format, I don't think I can go back to an older version of TB. Funny, isn't it? All of those years of enduring and reporting IMAP issues, and all that has changed is that the issues have grown _worse_ over the versions? I don't understand it, not being a computer tech person (although I was a mechanical engineer until age 40, in 1982). However, I also think RitLabs is doing their best to really redesign their IMAP module for TB, and I admire their perseverance. I have Googled to look for the best IMAP functionality for Windows mail clients. There aren't many that get a top grade. Mulberry does, but I think its interface is ugly and the program setup options get to be too complicated. Thunderbird seems to be the runner up as best IMAP, and the interface is decent (if not as good as TB's). As I have mentioned, Opera's Mail component is the easiest to set up for IMAP, but its interface is not quite as good as Thunderbird's IMHO. Outlook 2007 automatically detected the server setup for Gmail's IMAP services (a cool feature!), but I don't think it is quite as handy as Thunderbird. So I will go back to using TB as my primary mail client once the persistent IMAP nuisances are cleared up, whenever that might be. I appreciate your replying to my posting. Thanks. -- Bob Riley in New Mexico, USA -- Let there be peace on earth, and let it begin with me. This is our function, our challenge, our fulfillment - and our inheritance, to accept and to share. Current beta is 4.1.11.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and various IMAP Issues
Hello TB-Beta List, So I will go back to using TB as my primary mail client once the persistent IMAP nuisances are cleared up, whenever that might be. signed this -- Regards Frank Current beta is 4.1.11.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and various IMAP Issues
Hi Gleason, On 2/7/2009 3:35 PM, you wrote to Alto: Alto, Hello Bob, all of these issues are long-standing and haven't been fixed in years. In fact, you might want to try the final v3-version of TheBat (v3.98.2 I believe), this one is a little (and I do mean a little) better when it comes to IMAP, at least the connection-lost problems don't happen as often as they do with the v4.0.38. I personally even continue using v3.0.1.33 to this day. Funny, isn't it? All of those years of enduring and reporting IMAP issues, and all that has changed is that the issues have grown _worse_ over the versions? Which suggests not negligence but inability to reproduce what you see, either by Rit or by many users, which would include myself. Are you saying that you, too, use IMAP with your ISP and/or Mail Provider, and you don't see the unable to send mail body due to processing error message and/or the queuing problem? If that is true, this suggests that the problem may lay with Gmail's implementation of IMAP (or, possibly, with my IMAP settings in TB, although I have tried to follow Stefan Tanurkov's guidance on those). What do you think, here? -- Bob Riley in New Mexico, USA -- Let there be peace on earth, and let it begin with me. This is our function, our challenge, our fulfillment - and our inheritance, to accept and to share. Current beta is 4.1.11.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
