Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
On Sunday, June 12, 2005, 10:09:53 AM, Tony Boom wrote: Just because TB doesn't tell you it's waiting, doesn't mean it isn't. Actually, I can tell when I'm waiting, and when I am reading the next message, or looking at the contents of the next folder. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.5.26 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello Dwight, A reminder of what Dwight A Corrin on TBBETA typed on: 13 June 2005 at 09:56:12 GMT -0500 Actually, I can tell when I'm waiting, So can I, it gets a bit boring waiting 20 minutes for a message to load though. Funny thing is I've been using TB most of the day without incident and I really feel comfortable with it now I'm in the habit of using CTRL+C. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5.26 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium IV, 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org pgpoBsFbtd2gz.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello Dwight. --On 10 June 2005 10:54 -0500 you wrote about Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]: but I get the waiting notice on mulberry occasionally and don't find myself delayed by TB!. That's because Mulberry keeps you informed of what it's doing every step of the way, The Bat doesn't, it treats you like a mushroom... It keeps you in the dark and feeds you bu**sh*t. Just because TB doesn't tell you it's waiting, doesn't mean it isn't. -- Tony. M pgpXjS1VRAr1f.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello Tony, On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 17:20:34 +0100 GMT (02/06/2005, 23:20 +0700 GMT), Tony Boom wrote: TB Yes, it seems bug reports are now called whinge reports. I've been trying TB to quietly carry on with Mulberry but people won't let me be quiet about, TB it messes up their pretty looking threading and we can't have that can we! No, we can't. I like pretty looking threading. But then, I mumbled something about IMAP to my IT manager a few months ago. He first got it wrong and sent me an email about MAPI. Now he's got IMAP working and is testing it (I hate it when people follow my half-thought-through suggestions). There is no way I'm giving up TB. What am I supposed to say: It was only a joke or Please leave the POP access running, my email client is not quite up to par? -- Cheers, Thomas. Was langsam faehrt, hat einen Hut. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5.25 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
On Friday, June 10, 2005, 10:33:19 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: But then, I mumbled something about IMAP to my IT manager a few months ago. He first got it wrong and sent me an email about MAPI. Now he's got IMAP working and is testing it (I hate it when people follow my half-thought-through suggestions). There is no way I'm giving up TB. What am I supposed to say: It was only a joke or Please leave the POP access running, my email client is not quite up to par? I just started using IMAP myself, as a result of this and other recent threads, and would never go back to POP. I don't really like Mulberry so far, but am not having a bad experience with TB!. I do have broadband (cable) access at both home and office, and haven't had occasion to fire up my laptop at some dial-in spot, but I get the waiting notice on mulberry occasionally and don't find myself delayed by TB!. I haven't tinkered with default settings or anything. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.5.26 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello Dwight, On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:54:53 -0500 GMT (10/06/2005, 22:54 +0700 GMT), Dwight A Corrin wrote: DAC I just started using IMAP myself, as a result of this and other recent DAC threads, and would never go back to POP. I don't really like Mulberry DAC so far, but am not having a bad experience with TB!. Good to know. Others who use IMAP extensively have resorted to Mulberry. -- Cheers, Thomas. Things You Would Never Know Without the Movies: Most laptop computers are powerful enough to override the communication systems of any invading alien civilization. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5.25 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TBBETA ARCHIVES [was Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3]
Hi Hendrik Oesterlin and others, Friday, June 3, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : This feature was broken in 3.0.1.33, but in 3.5 it works fine (it is for this reason I updated to 3.5) And still I wonder why I got no confirmations from my fellow endusers whenever I mentioned it as broken. Instead of support I only got eyes wide open saying: really, so big? A single mail? So next time, please send a confirmation if this feature ever should break again, all those who hesitated last time. OK? -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5.25 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Reflections on IMAP POP3
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : MB I could try to make WinRar zip my TBBETA folder up and send it to you PM. NVP That'd be fantastic! Thanks manyfold. RAR format is OK for me - and smaller than NVP ZIP, too. But only if it's 10MB: my server only allows a 10MB maximum, so NVP anything above that would mean splitting the RAR into chunks and sending NVP separately - which is more trouble than I'd ask you to take. The address with NVP the 10MB capacity is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Again - many thanks for NVP offering to send this. Do you want a gmail account, Natasha? It has 1 GB mailbox. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Blessed are the inept for they shall inherit the skies. Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: Reflections on IMAP POP3
NVP That'd be fantastic! Thanks manyfold. RAR format is OK for me - and smaller than NVP ZIP, too. But only if it's 10MB: my server only allows a 10MB maximum, so NVP anything above that would mean splitting the RAR into chunks and sending NVP separately - which is more trouble than I'd ask you to take. The address with NVP the 10MB capacity is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Again - many thanks for NVP offering to send this. GF Do you want a gmail account, Natasha? It has 1 GB mailbox. It has 2.2 GB :))) -- Vili Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3
Hi Goncalo GF Do you want a gmail account, Natasha? It has 1 GB mailbox. Fantastic! Yes, please. What do I need to do? -- Groetjes Natasha The Bat! 3.5.25 on Windows XP Professional 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3
Hi Michael However - I'm not currently using IMAP. I feel it's my duty, though, to give it a shot. Any kind soul out there care to provide me with a historical message base of list traffic to get me started with some nice large folders? MG You must be joking, aren't you? An interesting philosophical point: am I a fool or a jester? :) Well, maybe some of both. I really do want to test IMAP, though. It'll be fun! :) MG If you really care for some :-) old messages: I like to please - but be MG warned - my TBBETA archive contains 53.076 messages just now. I could zip it MG up and send it to you. Thank you. A very kind offer. If for any reason Mary can't get hers to me, I may take you up on this. MG Second warning: I tried (one upon at early 3.0 times) to put my TB!-archives MG on an IMAP server - since then I'm afraid to test IMAP thoroughly afain. MG First: I ran into server-quota, second: there was a huge amount of traffic, MG third: TB! was _*painfully*_ s l o w in dealing with so many messages in an MG IMAP folder. Now I'm waiting... I'll definitely keep your warnings - and also others' experiences with IMAP - in mind when I'm testing. I'm not expecting the world right now - just would like to help make it happen. -- Groetjes Natasha The Bat! 3.5.25 on Windows XP Professional 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3
Hello Natasha! On Friday, June 03, 2005, 8:30 AM, you wrote: MG If you really care for some :-) old messages: I like to please - MG but be warned - my TBBETA archive contains 53.076 messages just MG now. I could zip it up and send it to you. Thank you. A very kind offer. If for any reason Mary can't get hers to me, I may take you up on this. Natasha, you should take Michael Geyer up on this offer. He's the one who sent me files oF TBBETA, TBUDL, and TBOT going back to 2002. He is very knowledgeable in managing things of information technology, whereas I am an untrained amateur and still feel myself to be in most ways a novice here. friendly smile -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.25 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3
Hi Michael, Mary and all MG If you really care for some :-) old messages: I like to please - but be MG warned - my TBBETA archive contains 53.076 messages just now. I could zip MG it up and send it to you. MB Natasha, you should take Michael Geyer up on this offer. He's the one who MB sent me files oF TBBETA, TBUDL, and TBOT going back to 2002. He is very MB knowledgeable in managing things of information technology, whereas I am an MB untrained amateur and still feel myself to be in most ways a novice here. Thanks to you both. Michael - I'd very much like to take you up on your offer. Once I'm set up, I'll send you my gmail address. MB friendly smile wave smile -- Groetjes Natasha The Bat! 3.5.25 on Windows XP Professional 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Reflections on IMAP POP3
Friday, June 3, 2005, 8:02:03 AM, (Internet Time - @584) you wrote: GF Do you want a gmail account, Natasha? It has 1 GB mailbox. NVP Fantastic! Yes, please. What do I need to do? And if anyone wants a gmail account, please let me know also. I have like 150 invites to give away and have already given them to all my family and friends. They keep adding the invites every time I send one out. And to keep this off-list, just send me a private message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will send you an invite... BTW they have it all set up with POP3 use and I use The Bat! to send and receive my Gmail Accounts. So once you have it set up you never have to use the Web Interface. So much better now. :) -- Best regards, Michael mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! Version 3.5.25 On Windows XP SP2 Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: Reflections on IMAP POP3
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : NVP That'd be fantastic! Thanks manyfold. RAR format is OK for me - and smaller than NVP ZIP, too. But only if it's 10MB: my server only allows a 10MB maximum, so NVP anything above that would mean splitting the RAR into chunks and sending NVP separately - which is more trouble than I'd ask you to take. The address with NVP the 10MB capacity is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Again - many thanks for NVP offering to send this. GF Do you want a gmail account, Natasha? It has 1 GB mailbox. V It has 2.2 GB :))) Really? It's a new feature? -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Windows Error:01D Unable to figure out our own code. Syst Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[4]: Reflections on IMAP POP3
GF Do you want a gmail account, Natasha? It has 1 GB mailbox. V It has 2.2 GB :))) Really? It's a new feature? Sorry to breaking the thread (webmail again). Yes, it is 2.2 GB. Check www.gmail.com -- Vili Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Reflections on IMAP POP3
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : NVP Hi Goncalo GF Do you want a gmail account, Natasha? It has 1 GB mailbox. NVP Fantastic! Yes, please. What do I need to do? You should have my invitation by now... -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias BUSH.SYS corrupted, recommend optimizing politics. Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[6]: Reflections on IMAP POP3
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : GF Do you want a gmail account, Natasha? It has 1 GB mailbox. V It has 2.2 GB :))) Really? It's a new feature? V Sorry to breaking the thread (webmail again). Yes, it is 2.2 GB. V Check www.gmail.com I just did. Amazing! :) -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias A thing well said will be wit in all languages. Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
IMAP--a holey garment. But I think it will be stitched up before the summer is out. ;) The trouble is that Ritlabs launched the upgrade to v2 of TB with the promise that IMAP would be fully implemented in that version. Now, a year or so, and a paid upgrade later IMAP users are still working with a beta. I feel for Ritlabs, they are trying hard and their learning curve has been steep in this area but I'm not optimistic that they'll be able to sort out all the issues before the beginning of the monsoon season here in the UK (last weekend in August - the next bank holiday). Steak and lime pie, eh! On a diet, Mary? -- Regards, Clive Taylor TheBat!:3.5.24 Windows XP: Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello Mary. --On 01 June 2005 21:50 -0500 you wrote about Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]: (in that sense it is his, code, i.e., the code RitLabs is making for its customers) Your all chatting as if I am the only one with this problem, I am not, there are quite a few others who also have IMAP problems. And if it was my code and they have been working on it, why haven't I received one of those personal daily builds to try that everyone was talking about last week? I'm just upset that a program I've been loyal to and loved for over 4 years has been developed into something that is totally unusable for me and all you lot can do it mock, take the piss and complain about threading. -- Tony. M. pgpOdNIYRNR4F.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello Clive! On Thursday, June 02, 2005, 1:36 AM, you wrote: IMAP--a holey garment. But I think it will be stitched up before the summer is out. ;) The trouble is that Ritlabs launched the upgrade to v2 of TB with the promise that IMAP would be fully implemented in that version. Now, a year or so, and a paid upgrade later IMAP users are still working with a beta. Yes. I understand that. But the past won't get repaired by crying over it. The complaint I was trying to address was the apparent faulting of Maxim's beta announcements as he works on his part of the fixes for the 3.5 release. I was keeping in mind a statement that 9Val made once that the various parts of The Bat! can be worked on simultaneously--in other words, that Maxim's work and the last series of beta releases don't mean that work on IMAP isn't also proceeding. Stefan's statements that it is on-going were made on this list, over the past weeks, and not on RitLabs website advertising pages. I feel for Ritlabs, they are trying hard and their learning curve has been steep in this area but I'm not optimistic that they'll be able to sort out all the issues before the beginning of the monsoon season here in the UK (last weekend in August - the next bank holiday). Well, and I feel for Tony, too (who is standing in for me as the symbol for all users of IMAP who also love TB!). But the difficulties--which were once clearly laid out on another thread--in integrating IMAP into an existing POP3 client were quite clearly more than the TB! development team had anticipated encountering. To use a figure of speech of my own: Quarreling with the cook who's in process of preparing the meal isn't likely to improve the quality of what that cook will serve to you. Steak and lime pie, eh! On a diet, Mary? Hehehe. And a pretty good diet, huh? ;) smiling wink My dinner companions were well behaved and chose the fish. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.25 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello Tony, TB And if it was my code and they have been working on it, why haven't I TB received one of those personal daily builds to try that everyone was TB talking about last week? Because I'm too busy last weeks and although have no time to work on TB!, I've asked you about week ago to send me *complete* logs to find the reason. I'm still waiting them. If you are thinking that complaining in list is much better and faster way to fix them, it is your choice. -- 9Val Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello Tony! On Thursday, June 02, 2005, 6:36 AM, you wrote: (in that sense it is his, code, i.e., the code RitLabs is making for its customers) Your all chatting as if I am the only one with this problem, I am not, there are quite a few others who also have IMAP problems. Sorry. I was kind of using you as a symbol. When I paraphrased 9Val--from something he said a long time ago (in which he was not, as I recall, replying to a complaint from you but one from another TBBETA subscriber)--I used the word his. Vili decided to reply to that and there's where--in the international confusion--you began to be a symbol for everyone who uses IMAP while still loving The Bat! I apologize for using you as a symbol. :( sad And if it was my code and they have been working on it, why haven't I received one of those personal daily builds to try that everyone was talking about last week? Well, see above paragraph. That's not what I meant. By his, I meant to say: the code being written for the use of all RitLab's customers who use IMAP. I don't know the answer to any of your questions. I am nevertheless very glad that you are posting here and am happy to read you. Only I wanted to clarify that Stefan said to Allie just last week that they (they meaning the development team) still have work to do in fixing IMAP. And I know that work on IMAP can be on-going while Maxim is doing, and asking us to test, his less complicated fixes of other misfunctioning parts of The Bat! I'm just upset that a program I've been loyal to and loved for over 4 years has been developed into something that is totally unusable for me and all you lot can do it mock, take the piss and complain about threading. Not me. I don't read by threads. I read all the posts. I read them chronologically as I receive them. I expect Stefan to keep his promise and fix IMAP for you and Allie and Kevin and Dave and all the other TB! customers who want to use it. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.25 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3
Hi Mary MB And the point at issue is that I think that RitLabs are getting it (the IMAP MB part of the code) functional as quickly as they can. I think so too. I can't speak for others' experiences, of course, but I feel I've had great service from TB! as a piece of software and much more prompt responses to queries and bug reports than ever I've had from MS, IBM, or any of the other corporate behemoths I deal with on a regular basis. For these and many other reasons, it's my policy to recommend it to any clients who're looking for a better email solution - for personal or office use. However - I'm not currently using IMAP. I feel it's my duty, though, to give it a shot. Any kind soul out there care to provide me with a historical message base of list traffic to get me started with some nice large folders? MB My sister is 87 years old and only just this afternoon was diagnosed with MB severe glaucoma in her left eye. I'm really sorry to hear this. :( I had the same problem after an accident some time ago - lost one eye and developed glaucoma in the other. So I understand a measure of what she's going through. MB It's treatable, of course, with the drops prescribed for her to put in 4 MB times a day. But if she's not faithful to put them in, she could completely MB lose the vision in that eye--which vision at present is already pretty dim. It's very good news, though, that this has been diagnosed at a treatable stage. I know dropping 4 times a day is annoying (I'm cursed with that fate myself :) ) but on the up side I was told that a glass of brandy a day can also help with glaucoma. :girlcheer: By an actual doctor - I jest not. Apparently this moderate intake helps lower the blood pressure and hence also the intraocular pressure. MB I do realize that for others, TB! is either a tool with which to make a MB living, or an adjunct tool to help make getting that living easier. That's how it started for me. Now that I've found the lists, though, I seem to have become adicted. :) -- Groetjes Natasha The Bat! 3.5.25 on Windows XP Professional 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3
Hi Mary MB I'm replete with New York strip steak and Key Lime pie. Wish I could have MB shared with you, if you like that kind of stuff. :) Like it? !! Suffice to say, you've made me totally impatient for my next US assignment. :) -- Groetjes Natasha The Bat! 3.5.25 on Windows XP Professional 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello Vili! On Thursday, June 02, 2005, 12:16 AM, you wrote: Ahh, ok. I thought that the son is ca. 10 years old. Excuse me, I have 10 yrs kids. All 4 of them :)) I'm delighted to know about them. I think it does help us work together to know some things about one another's lives. I'm 78 years old, and my own children and grandchild are all adults. Most of the years that I worked for a living, my work was with young children, as a teacher in an elementary school. ... MB ... I do realize that for others, TB! is either a tool with MB which to make a living, or an adjunct tool to help make getting MB that living easier. Just a little more faith in the integrity of MB the RitLabs development team--that's all I'm calling for. MB friendly smile I distribute TB! in Hungary. So, I kind of making a living (ok, this alone would not be enough, software piracy here is still high) from TB!, but it is hard to always ask users for patience, sometimes lie to them... Yes, lie, I mean repeat the phrases on TB! site, that I know that just promises... By now I always use the term it is written on Ritlabs site etc. The last example was The Bat! Voyager... Well, we're so used to that kind of puffery among advertisers in the U.S. that, for myself, I never make a decision based on an advertising claim. I go by word-of-mouth recommendations from people I trust who have used a particular product. And that's how I found and tried The Bat! and then I fell in love with it. But you are right, I always trust in the development, as I saw how TB! was ahead of the competitors... :) very big smile of accord When I wrote this down somewhere else, I got the anger of a lot of people... My answer was that I am proud that I provided a lot of support and wrote 4 freeware softwares (HIXEditor, BackupTheBat, EmailAlarm, Youvegotmail) for TB! partly before I started to sell TB. I am so glad to know about this. So, that is why I openly pointing on the errors of TB! now. Positive criticism push things further. I am a chemist, I learnt it. Totally agree. And I know that nearly everyone posting here does try to keep the criticism positive. Here's to an IMAP in TB! that meets the needs of everyone who wants to use it, and as soon as reasonably possible! -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.25 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello Clive. --On 02 June 2005 07:36 +0100 you wrote about Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]: Now, a year or so, and a paid upgrade later IMAP users are still working with a beta. I can't complain about that as I didn't have to pay for my upgrade for which I'm grateful to RIT. But that's not the point. As you all know, I don't experience a tenth of the problems most of you do. In the last four years I've had very little trouble at all with TB! Other than confirming the odd minor bug or two I've never had cause for complaint at all! But now I do have a problem that totally prevents me from using TB! it seems I'm being totally ignored by the developers. Lets face it, how many people have had problems to the extent that some twat has suggested the Moderators ban you from the list? A problem that's beyond your control? -- Tony. M. pgpUIS54vMfYa.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello Mary. --On 02 June 2005 07:11 -0500 you wrote about Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]: To use a figure of speech of my own: Quarreling with the cook who's in process of preparing the meal isn't likely to improve the quality of what that cook will serve to you. That is so true and I've been quite content to eat in another restaurant until the cook gets the recipe right. It's everyone else who keeps complaining about my posts and they won't let me forget that I can't eat in the same restaurant as everyone else. -- Tony. M. pgpDoSFDsmso6.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: Key Lime Pie (Was: Reflections on IMAP POP3)
Hi Dennis DH So, to make a real key lime pie, you must use Key or Mexican limes, not DH yuck regular limes. This absolutely sounds like something I have to try. :) -- Groetjes Natasha The Bat! 3.5.25 on Windows XP Professional 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello Tony, That is so true and I've been quite content to eat in another restaurant until the cook gets the recipe right. It's everyone else who keeps complaining about my posts and they won't let me forget that I can't eat in the same restaurant as everyone else. Don't take it that way. They are just telling you that if you are sitting in the smoking area, you have to light a cigarette and smoke. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.25 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hi Avi, On 02/06/2005 05:37 PM +0300, you wrote: Personally, I like TB. I don't want to move to another email client. I might be experimenting with IMAP today if I could feel confident that I would not face the same type of frustration that you seem to be experiencing. Fortunately, POP3 still serves my needs adequately. Yup. POP3 being adequate for you is what gives you that flexibility. However, in my case, I first choose the protocol that works best for me. I then find the appropriate client. The client works so well for my situation that despite my problems with TB!, I've never considered reverting back to POP3. I'd rather use another client. I just installed v3.5.25 at work and it will not even startup. This now goes beyond protocol. I'll be quiet though. If you care and pontificate it isn't popular and is called whining. So I'll be very quiet indeed and just use Mulberry as needed. :) -- Allie Martin System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- CURSOR: What you become when your system crashes. Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3
Hi Natasha and list, On Thursday, June 2, 2005 at 00:56:02 GMT +1200 (which was 14:56 where I live) Natasha V Pearce wrote (at least in parts) and made these valuable points on the subject of Reflections on IMAP POP3: However - I'm not currently using IMAP. I feel it's my duty, though, to give it a shot. Any kind soul out there care to provide me with a historical message base of list traffic to get me started with some nice large folders? You must be joking, aren't you? If you really care for some :-) old messages: I like to please - but be warned - my TBBETA archive contains 53.076 messages just now. I could zip it up and send it to you. Second warning: I tried (one upon at early 3.0 times) to put my TB!-archives on an IMAP server - since then I'm afraid to test IMAP thoroughly afain. First: I ran into server-quota, second: there was a huge amount of traffic, third: TB! was _*painfully*_ s l o w in dealing with so many messages in an IMAP folder. Now I'm waiting... -- Regards Michael powered by The BAT! 3.5.25, , and MyMacros 1.11a with usual problems of Windows XP Pro 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello Mary. --On 02 June 2005 09:13 -0500 you wrote about Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]: Some of us are delighted to see you post, and that includes me! very big, friendly smile Thank you Mary but your in the minority. If I was using Incredimail until TB gets fixed I could understand it but I'm not, I'm using a plain text, no frills client that just happens to work perfectly for me while I'm waiting for TB's IMAP to be fixed. I am not going to stop posting to this list until either 1 of 2 things happen. 1. The Bat gets it's IMAP up to an acceptable usable standard. 2. The Moderators do ban me from the list. As far as I can see, I've done nothing wrong other than report a flaw in a beta version on a dedicated Beta testers mailing list. -- Tony. M. pgpQxVLyHWJ7y.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Reply to message sent 6/2/2005, @ 10:27:35 (10:27 AM Locally) ~~~ Hello Allie, If you care and pontificate it isn't popular and is called whining. I'll attempt to speak for the masses here and say I don't think it's the caring and pontificating that bothers most people, it's when the pontificating becomes prolific and incessant that it starts to remind one of a colicky baby at 3am. -- ò.ó Nick Danger Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello MAU. --On 02 June 2005 16:30 +0200 you wrote about Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]: Don't take it that way. They are just telling you that if you are sitting in the smoking area, you have to light a cigarette and smoke. But they've been telling me for weeks, telling me over and over again something I already know and something I can do nothing about. -- Tony. M. pgpxkA2FOKe8a.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello Tony, But they've been telling me for weeks, telling me over and over again something I already know and something I can do nothing about. But don you worry my dear, just remind them about the existence of Selective Download filters :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.25 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello 9Val. --On 02 June 2005 17:34 +0300 you wrote about Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]: I know, I've responsed to your yesterday's message, so it seems you haven't received my reply. So you did get my first personal containing the log, thank you for clearing that up. I've asked for *all* logs, while you're sending me just imap.log_7, which describes only one connection. It is not enough to make any conclusion about what happens. You want ALL of them? I thought the latest would be enough. First you ask for my log files, I sent them, you said they was wrong and gave me instructions to create log files that TB doesn't do normally. I sent you the resulting log from that, what ones do you want now, all imap logs or is there some other log you want? Believe me 9val, I want this sorted as soon as humanly possible so I'm not going to deliberately hold the process up by sending you the wrong files. Tell me EXACTLY what you want and I'll send them. If you want I'll send you my complete TB directory if it'll help. All I want if for TB to delete flagged messages straight away when I change IMAP folders, not next time I change folders, not next time I run TB, not in 2 weeks time when I come home from holiday. I know your probably getting fed up with the name Mulberry but if I delete 100 messages in Mulberry I can close the folder and open it 2 seconds later and ALL those flagged messages are gone. TB! just seems to ignore the delete request and I can return a week later from being away and I can still browse deleted messages from a week ago. That is the ONLY major problem I have EVER had since v1.39 and look at the sh*t it's caused. Please tell me EXACTLY what you want and I'll gladly send them. I'll send every single log file I have, over 8Mb and if there is any other special ones you want me to create please let me know. -- Tony. M. pgpYJCMxT6ZM8.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello Allie. --On 02 June 2005 10:27 -0500 you wrote about Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]: If you care and pontificate it isn't popular and is called whining. So I'll be very quiet indeed and just use Mulberry as needed. :) Yes, it seems bug reports are now called whinge reports. I've been trying to quietly carry on with Mulberry but people won't let me be quiet about, it messes up their pretty looking threading and we can't have that can we! -- Tony. M. pgpwBQ4OeHMBH.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello MAU. --On 02 June 2005 17:59 +0200 you wrote about Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]: But don you worry my dear, just remind them about the existence of Selective Download filters :) I have done, told people to filter me direct to the trash can but, some selfish chap (See, I can be polite) suggested it would be easier for the Moderators to ban me from the list rather than for him to go to the trouble of creating a filter. And he WAS serious! -- Tony. M. pgpsG43zzhRKQ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello Tony, And he WAS serious! When was it we were having the discussion about irony and sarcasm being a synonym or not? What I know for sure is that 'serious' is not a synonym of 'reasonable'. Cheers :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.25 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3
Hi Tony and list, On Thursday, June 2, 2005 at 16:35:10 GMT +0100 (which was 17:35 where I live) Tony Boom wrote (at least in parts) and made these valuable points on the subject of Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]: Thank you Mary but your in the minority. Eeeerrrhhh ... You forget the huge _silent_ majority, don't you? In your case I belong to that group, notwithstanding that you have my sympathy - I am _really_ sorry for you! I can see your problem as I had similar difficulties getting mulberry to work over here - I gave up on it. I never got filters to work (my own fault - didn't read the help and even didn't ask for help :-) ). Now I have only a couple of IMAP accounts again (for some casually tests) - all my other accounts remain ( for the time being) POP. Just now I don't have a simple solution for you - but has mulberry a possibility to manual trigger a filter to copy (!) a message to a local folder? I seem to recall that your reference-header problem was gone when you replied from a local folder instead of an IMAP folder? may be you could copy only single messages to a local folder and reply from there? I see two long range possibilities in either mulberry rewrites the incorrect reference header when sending a message or TB! silently deal with incorrect headers. (I don't think you have direct contact with your ISP's IMAP server programming crew). You have one guess what I prefer. It was once mentioned here and I learned it quite some time ago: The output of your program _must_ be correct _all_the_times, but you may never depend on correct input. So both teams have work to do :-) eg. If I was using Incredimail until TB gets fixed I could understand it For heaven's sake - don't you dare!!! while I'm waiting for TB's IMAP to be fixed. I'm not really sure that this fix is RIT's duty - may be a quick and dirty fix can do dealing with just the last entry in the references list? I am not going to stop posting to this list until either 1 of 2 things happen. 1. The Bat gets it's IMAP up to an acceptable usable standard. It's the best up to now - and incorrect headers are (in fact) a problem of the server, not of the client). 2. The Moderators do ban me from the list. I would never hope the would do something like that!!! -- Regards Michael powered by The BAT! 3.5.25, , and MyMacros 1.11a with usual problems of Windows XP Pro 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello Tony! On Thursday, June 02, 2005, 10:35 AM, you wrote: I am not going to stop posting to this list until either 1 of 2 things happen. 1. The Bat gets it's IMAP up to an acceptable usable standard. 2. The Moderators do ban me from the list. Good for you! As far as I can see, I've done nothing wrong other than report a flaw in a beta version on a dedicated Beta testers mailing list. And maybe be a little bit persistent and witty and long-winded about it--but, so what, so are a lot of other people persistent and long-winded (if not witty), including my own rambling self. :) smile -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.25 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello Tony, Thursday, June 2, 2005, 9:35:10 AM, you wrote: T 2. The Moderators do ban me from the list. Well, from a moderators point of view, you're not going to be banned from the TB lists just because you aren't using TB. That never has been a rule and never will be. Long as all the other rules are complied with, you're good. Mr. Trout is looking forelorn though as I type this response. grin -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons: http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PCWSmileys: http://PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Tagline of the day: Proofread carefully to see if you any words out. Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello Leif, forelorn :-( Not in my dictionary, what does it mean? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.25 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Het was op donderdag 2 juni 2005 om 19:08 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]' : Hallo MAU, forelorn M :-( Not in my dictionary, what does it mean? look further my good man, always look further! :-)) for·lorn Pronunciation Key (fr-lôrn, fôr-) adj. 1. 1. Appearing sad or lonely because deserted or abandoned. 2. Forsaken or deprived: forlorn of all hope. 2. Wretched or pitiful in appearance or condition: forlorn roadside shacks. 3. Nearly hopeless; desperate. See Synonyms at despondent. -- regards, Cees Don't let me fall into nothingness! I won't be happy there! - Freak ___ The Bat! :bat2angel: 3.5.25 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hi MAU, In the message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] which was apparently written on Thursday, June 2, 2005, 6:08:29 PM. I believe you wrote: M Hello Leif, forelorn M :-( Not in my dictionary, what does it mean? I think its forlon, like looking sorry for yourself. -- Best regards, Liz (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Website: http://www.xcalibur.co.uk Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello Cees, forelorn M :-( Not in my dictionary, what does it mean? look further my good man, always look further! :-)) for·lorn Pronunciation Key (fr-lôrn, fôr-) adj. 1. 1. Appearing sad or lonely because deserted or abandoned. 2. Forsaken or deprived: forlorn of all hope. 2. Wretched or pitiful in appearance or condition: forlorn roadside shacks. 3. Nearly hopeless; desperate. See Synonyms at despondent. But that's not 'forelorn', it is 'forlorn' which does appear in my dic. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.25 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Het was op donderdag 2 juni 2005 om 19:17 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]' : Hallo MAU, M But that's not 'forelorn', it is 'forlorn' which does appear in my dic. My dearest MAU... ever heard of the magic word typo? hehehehehe... -- regards, Cees Logic is a systematic way to come to wrong answer with confidence. ___ The Bat! :bat2angel: 3.5.25 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello Cees, My dearest MAU... ever heard of the magic word typo? hehehehehe... Of course, I make many. But when I don't know a word there is no way I can tell if it is a typo, or slang, or... -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.25 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3
Hello Michael. --On 02 June 2005 18:44 +0200 you wrote about Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3: Eeeerrrhhh ... You forget the huge _silent_ majority, don't you? In your case I belong to that group, notwithstanding that you have my sympathy - I am _really_ sorry for you! I can only count people who I know are there. The silent majority are just that, silent, therefore I don't know your there but I thank you for your support. In your case I belong to that group, notwithstanding that you have my sympathy - I am _really_ sorry for you! Don't be sorry for me, sympathetic to my cause yes but not sorry. Beginning to sound like a terrorist organisation now :) I never got filters to work Took me a week to suss them out but now I have and once you get your head around triggers they're pretty simple. but has mulberry a possibility to manual trigger a filter to copy (!) a message to a local folder? Yes it does and I started doing that and threading was fine. But, each time I tried a new build of TB I couldn't access the mail in these local folders. TB filtered into IMAP folders, Mulberry filtered into local folders so my mail was all over the place. Problem is, filtering into local folders is defeating the object of IMAP, I may as well give up IMAP and go back to POP which I don't want to do. I see two long range possibilities in either mulberry rewrites the incorrect reference header when sending a message or TB! silently deal with incorrect headers. It has *nothing* to do with Mulberry or The Bat! It's a server side problem which is why it don't happen when I filter into local folders. And I have been in contact with my IMAP provider and as of the last correspondence I had they was trying to fix it. I'm not really sure that this fix is RIT's duty Now you've lost me? The problem I have doesn't happen with Mulberry, it didn't happen with Firefox when I tried that, it only happens with The Bat! The Bat! is the one that is leaving deleted messages on the server when it should be completely expunging them. Who if anyone do you suggest I contact if not RIT to fix this problem with The Bat? It's the best up to now - and incorrect headers are (in fact) a problem of the server, not of the client). You have the completely wrong end of the stick. The problems that are occurring with other peoples threading IS NOT the main problem, it's not my problem, it's a side effect. My problem is with TB! TB! does not reliably delete flagged messages from my server. It may do if it feels like it, it might forget about it and do it next time I run it, it might do it when I run it tomorrow. I returned home from 4 days camping and the first time I run TB I could still read messages I deleted last week. It should do it the instant I tell it to IE: Now, as soon as I switch folders just like Firefox and Mulberry do, that is the problem, not threading! How would it be if TB! sent new messages with the same degree of reliability? You write a message now and TB! sends it in an hour, a day or a weeks time, not too sure how many people would put up with that? I would never hope the would do something like that!!! As of yet I've not heard a word from any of the moderators, I know by their silence that they understand my predicament. I've been on this list long enough for them to know I'm not doing this for fun. I'm pretty sure they understand my frustration and my desire to get back to using TB! full time with confidence. Mulberry is great, it works flawlessly, I have no problems with it whatsoever, it's the epitome of reliability ... But it ain't The Bat and it's The Bat I really love and want to use. -- Tony. M. pgpNwUvvPDuSe.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello Mary. --On 02 June 2005 11:45 -0500 you wrote about Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]: And maybe be a little bit persistent and witty and long-winded about it--but, If people would shut up about threading then I wouldn't have to be so persistent. I could just sit back and wait for a fix... Which is exactly what I am now going to do. The ironic (Not sarcastic) thing is Mary, if I thread by reference with Mulberry there is no problem at all, they all tread perfectly fine, it only happens with TB, but that's another story and not a problem that bothers me so I won't dwell on it :) -- Tony. M. pgpMbhH3BUNSP.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello Leif. --On 02 June 2005 09:47 -0600 you wrote about Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]: Well, from a moderators point of view, you're not going to be banned from the TB lists just because you aren't using TB. Thank you Leif, at the risk of sounding Girly, that means a lot to me. Long as all the other rules are complied with, you're good. How long have you know me Leif? How long have we been on these lists together? Have you ever know me to deliberately break the rules, hold a grudge or deliberately try to offend anyone? Mr. Trout is looking forelorn though as I type this response. grin Well you keep him firmly tucked up in your trousers, I don't want him :) -- Tony. M. pgphFpuh0QHdg.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello MAU. --On 02 June 2005 19:08 +0200 you wrote about Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]: :-( Not in my dictionary, what does it mean? Forlorn... Looks like there a problem with TB speel chekcer now :) -- Tony. M. pgp8oh7C9r65M.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello Cees. --On 02 June 2005 19:30 +0200 you wrote about Re[2]: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]: My dearest MAU... ever heard of the magic word typo? That's a blood group isn't it? -- Tony. M. pgpFR7vmg4cDB.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Het was op donderdag 2 juni 2005 om 19:59 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]' : Hallo Tony, My dearest MAU... ever heard of the magic word typo? TB That's a blood group isn't it? yeah... typo negative ;) -- regards, Cees No, no, I'm not his friend. I'm his wife. ___ The Bat! :bat2angel: 3.5.25 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[4]: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello Cees. --On 02 June 2005 20:03 +0200 you wrote about Re[4]: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]: yeah... typo negative ;) Typo rhesus monkey I think I am :) -- Tony. M. pgpso76OwvXsC.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hallo Leif, On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 09:47:28 -0600GMT (2-6-2005, 17:47 +0200, where I live), you wrote: LG Well, from a moderators point of view, you're not going to be banned LG from the TB lists just because you aren't using TB. That never has Well, we could make an exception, just because it's Tony. :gdr: -- Groetjes, Roelof Dave...put those Windows disks down Dave...Dave..DAVE!!! The Bat! 3.5.25 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 2 pop3 accounts, server on LAN pgplN8HpUaA2I.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
On Thursday, June 2, 2005, 12:08:29 PM, MAU wrote: forelorn :-( Not in my dictionary, what does it mean? http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2q=forlorn -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 3.5.25 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
On 6/2/05, Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I like TB. I don't want to move to another email client. I might be experimenting with IMAP today if I could feel confident that I would not face the same type of frustration that you seem to be experiencing. Fortunately, POP3 still serves my needs adequately. Yup. POP3 being adequate for you is what gives you that flexibility. However, in my case, I first choose the protocol that works best for me. I then find the appropriate client. The client works so well for my situation that despite my problems with TB!, I've never considered reverting back to POP3. I'd rather use another client. Allie, I understand, and I am sympathetic. I simply thank my lucky stars that as a TB user I don't - yet - need IMAP. :-) -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.5.25 Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[6]: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Het was op donderdag 2 juni 2005 om 20:06 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]' : Hallo Tony, yeah... typo negative ;) TB Typo rhesus monkey I think I am :) dunno can't see the monkey face. You removed it. :p -- regards, Cees VIRUS ERROR: Win95 found - I won't bother, you're in enough trouble! ___ The Bat! :bat2angel: 3.5.25 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello Roelof. --On 02 June 2005 20:20 +0200 you wrote about Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]: Well, we could make an exception, just because it's Tony. :gdr: I've heard of Sexism, ageism and I've even had to take a Government Authority to court over racism, but Email-Clientism? -- Tony. M. pgpGpj7t4gALl.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[6]: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello Cees. --On 02 June 2005 20:26 +0200 you wrote about Re[6]: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]: dunno can't see the monkey face. You removed it. I'll put it back when IMAP works... I know, I know, your all hoping it don't get fixed now :) -- Tony. M. pgp6ZOcRPLEfy.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
On 6/2/05, Tony Boom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've heard of Sexism, ageism and I've even had to take a Government Authority to court over racism, but Email-Clientism? It's actually quite common to castigate someone for their choice of software. Why this is, I really don't know. Software is a tool (maybe a source of entertainment), not a status indicator, and people should just use what works well for them. And everyone else should just let well enough be alone. -- Kevin Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : TB Hello Roelof. TB --On 02 June 2005 20:20 +0200 you wrote about Re: Reflections on IMAP TB POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]: Well, we could make an exception, just because it's Tony. :gdr: TB I've heard of Sexism, ageism and I've even had to take a Government TB Authority to court over racism, but Email-Clientism? Isn't this thread going a little off-topic? -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Never sleep with anyone crazier than yourself. Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3
On 6/2/2005 12:42 PM, Tony Boom wrote: My problem is with TB! TB! does not reliably delete flagged messages... I agree with this. I moved from TB! to T-Bird just for this reason. I usually filter all of my message traffic on my IMAP server. There are some cases where I filter at the client. I cannot do that with TB! because when the messages are filtered and moved, they remain in the inbox for, as you said, a random period. I think reliability is the key word here. T-Bird and Mulberry are well grounded e-mail clients. Their IMAP/POP server interface is RFC compliant and works as it is supposed to, if there is a problem, it is usually found server side. I see your point is that the TB! doesn't have that solid e-mail client functionality, yet development of extras and add-ons presses ahead despite lacking core capability. BTW, your Mulberry messages thread flawlessly in T-Bird, we'll see how T-Bird threads in TB!... -- Mike I would never hope the would do something like that!!! As of yet I've not heard a word from any of the moderators, I know by their silence that they understand my predicament. I've been on this list long enough for them to know I'm not doing this for fun. I'm pretty sure they understand my frustration and my desire to get back to using TB! full time with confidence. Mulberry is great, it works flawlessly, I have no problems with it whatsoever, it's the epitome of reliability ... But it ain't The Bat and it's The Bat I really love and want to use. Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/ -- Mike Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello Goncalo. --On 02 June 2005 19:41 +0100 you wrote about Re[2]: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]: Isn't this thread going a little off-topic? Way off! Common or garden user Interjection Please feel singled out, guilty and down right ashamed of yourself Roelof. This subject is way off topic, highly amusing and interesting but still off topic. Please take it onto TBOT. You can subscribe to TBOT by sending an email somewhere, can't remember where at the moment with something or another in the subject line, not sure what but anything will do for now. Thank you. /Common or garden user Interjection -- Tony. M. pgpcFdKoGLEFX.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3
Hello Mike. --On 02 June 2005 13:17 -0500 you wrote about Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3: BTW, your Mulberry messages thread flawlessly in T-Bird, we'll see how T-Bird threads in TB!... Well now, maybe it's not my server at fault after all... I'm pretty sure it is a major contributor though but it does look as if TB is lacking somewhere on that front if it's the only IMAP client that has threading problems with my posts. By the way, I thought you was great in Sin City :) -- Tony. M. pgpTHyOTXdaWm.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hallo Mike, On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 13:17:35 -0500GMT (2-6-2005, 20:17 +0200, where I live), you wrote: Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/ moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Mike. ' Please trim replies to context. A sure fire indicator that insufficient trimming has been done is that the original signature and list footer remain in the quoted text. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof If 50 million people vote for something stupid, it's still stupid! The Bat! 3.5.25 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 2 pop3 accounts, server on LAN pgpNt5yWTGfm9.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3
On 6/2/2005 02:09 PM, Tony Boom wrote: Well now, maybe it's not my server at fault after all... I'm pretty sure it is a major contributor though but it does look as if TB is lacking somewhere on that front if it's the only IMAP client that has threading problems with my posts. This is a bit long, but here goes... I have studied the source of some of your replies, replies from others using TB! and RFC 2822 (Internet Message Format). Here is what I came up with... The RFC states: The In-Reply-To: and References: fields are used when creating a reply to a message. They hold the message identifier of the original message and the message identifiers of other messages (for example, in the case of a reply to a message which was itself a reply). The In-Reply-To: field may be used to identify the message (or messages) to which the new message is a reply, while the References: field may be used to identify a thread of conversation. When creating a reply to a message, the In-Reply-To: and References: fields of the resultant message are constructed as follows: The In-Reply-To: field will contain the contents of the Message- ID: field of the message to which this one is a reply (the parent message). If there is more than one parent message, then the In- Reply-To: field will contain the contents of all of the parents' Message-ID: fields. Now the Message-ID: field, as per the RFC is: message-id = Message-ID: msg-id CRLF This means the Message-ID: field contains the data within msg-id and CRLF which is basically a new line separator control character, ie Return. Now the msg-id is defined in the RFC as a The message identifier (msg-id) itself MUST be a globally unique identifier for a message. The generator of the message identifier MUST guarantee that the msg-id is unique. (This is where I think you are saying your IMAP host could be at fault.) The format for the msg-id in the RFC is: msg-id = [CFWS] id-left @ id-right [CFWS] Well if we keep reading the RFC... Semantically, the angle bracket characters are not part of the msg-id; the msg-id is what is contained between the two angle bracket characters. Ohh, the good old angle brackets ( ) They are not part of the msg-id, and therefore not part of the in-reply-to and references fields either because the RFC defines these as: in-reply-to = In-Reply-To: 1*msg-id CRLF references = References: 1*msg-id CRLF All of your in-reply-to and references the characters around original msg-id, but not the subsequent messages in that thread. TB! I believe is not threading properly because they aren't there. A quick e-mail to Mozilla confirmed T-Bird will thread with or without the angle brackets. Interestingly, T-Bird places the angle brackets around their fields because, though not RFC compliant, it is the most common method in use and causes fewer problems. Apparently Mulberry is strictly RFC compliant (as advertised) and does not use the angle brackets which causes TB! to choke on threading. -- Mike Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3
Hello Mike. --On 02 June 2005 15:41 -0500 you wrote about Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3: This is a bit long, but here goes... Yes, I know... Think I'll read it in the morning :) -- Tony. M. pgpGWv4xwJwRn.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3
On Thursday, June 02, 2005 at 3:41:47 PM [GMT -0500], Mike Rourke wrote: All of your in-reply-to and references the characters around original msg-id, but not the subsequent messages in that thread. TB! I believe is not threading properly because they aren't there. A quick e-mail to Mozilla confirmed T-Bird will thread with or without the angle brackets. Interestingly, T-Bird places the angle brackets around their fields because, though not RFC compliant, it is the most common method in use and causes fewer problems. Apparently Mulberry is strictly RFC compliant (as advertised) and does not use the angle brackets which causes TB! to choke on threading. Mulberry doesn't do that. Look at my replies using Mulberry and you'll see the angled brackets around all message ids in the headers. When Mulberry requests a message body and headers, it simply shows and uses what the server sent to it. It will not adjust any content. Tony's IMAP server sends the headers without the brackets around the message id. So when he replies to a message, the brackets remain missing. My IMAP server transmits the message id with the brackets so my replies are fine and thread OK. When Tony imports the messages to a local folder in Mulberry, it parses the headers, no longer depending on the server. The message id contains the brackets at that point and Tony's replies now contain them. Mulberry is just an innocent bystander. The way TB!'s cache works is the way Mulberry works when the messages are imported to a local folder. This is why when Tony uses TB! with his IMAP server, TB! is immune to the problem. However, TB!'s immunity to that problem is about the only benefit to how it currently works. :( -- -= Allie Martin =- The Bat! v3.5.25 System Specs: http://www.landscreek.net/sysspecs.htm -=-=- Always glad to share my ignorance - I've got plenty. Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3
Hi Mary MB Surely you're joking, Natasha? Oh no - I really am that reckless. :) MB (Obscure reference above to the book *Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman?* MB http://www.wwnorton.com/catalog/spring97/surely.htm ) I really must get round to reading this one. I love this guy! MB I could try to make WinRar zip my TBBETA folder up and send it to you PM. That'd be fantastic! Thanks manyfold. RAR format is OK for me - and smaller than ZIP, too. But only if it's 10MB: my server only allows a 10MB maximum, so anything above that would mean splitting the RAR into chunks and sending separately - which is more trouble than I'd ask you to take. The address with the 10MB capacity is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Again - many thanks for offering to send this. MB I am glad yours is under control. I'll pass the brandy hint along to my MB teetotaling sister. I have a freezerful of different flavours, too. And with medicine like this, who needs a spoonful of sugar? MB here's a virtual glass of cognac for you, from me--and ultimately courtesy MB of one of our List moderators, who created it at my request, a long time MB ago. :cognac: ) Mmmm! :) Thank you - and also to its gallant creator. MB I do realize that for others, TB! is either a tool with which to make a MB living, or an adjunct tool to help make getting that living easier. NVP That's how it started for me. Now that I've found the lists, though, I seem NVP to have become adicted. :) MB Someone should have warned you! LOL Then I'd have been obliged to sign up just to find out what they were warning me against. :) -- Groetjes Natasha The Bat! 3.5.25 on Windows XP Professional 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
TBBETA ARCHIVES [was Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3]
Hello Natasha! On Thursday, June 02, 2005, 7:20 PM, you wrote: MB I could try to make WinRar zip my TBBETA folder up and send it to MB you PM. That'd be fantastic! Thanks manyfold. RAR format is OK for me - and smaller than ZIP, too. But only if it's 10MB: my server only allows a 10MB maximum, so anything above that would mean splitting the RAR into chunks and sending separately - which is more trouble than I'd ask you to take. ... Well, it's 16.5 MB. Sorry to get your hopes up for nothing. I've never split a file in chunks, and therefore I don't know how to go about it, so it's a good thing that you're telling me not to go to the trouble. :) It seems to me that there are some archived files on GMane and they're searchable. Back when these lists were in the process of becoming associated with GMane, I seem to remember we were told how to go about using those. I'd look that up for you in TBUDL, except that TB!'s search function is so slow in v. 3.5.25. Ah! Brainstorm!! I looked here: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html And found this: TBUDL/TBBETA/TBTECH/TBDEV are now using the Gmane Mail-to-News Gateway Just click on GMane in the contents section to the left on the Silverstones TBUDL.info page. I think you have to subscribe to it to utilize the archives, but I'm not sure. Maybe someone else can help with that question. ... MB I do realize that for others, TB! is either a tool with which MB to make a living, or an adjunct tool to help make getting that MB living easier. NVP That's how it started for me. Now that I've found the lists, NVP though, I seem to have become adicted. :) MB Someone should have warned you! LOL Then I'd have been obliged to sign up just to find out what they were warning me against. :) :rofl2: -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.25 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TBBETA ARCHIVES [was Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3]
Mary Bull wrotes on 03/06/2005 at 13:11:06 +1100 subject TBBETA ARCHIVES [was Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3] : Well, it's 16.5 MB. Sorry to get your hopes up for nothing. I've never split a file in chunks, and therefore I don't know how to go about it, so it's a good thing that you're telling me not to go to the trouble. :) If message size is an issue, you can select in the message editor Options-Split message if needed This feature was broken in 3.0.1.33, but in 3.5 it works fine (it is for this reason I updated to 3.5) -- Sincerely Hendrik Oesterlin - email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber-IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 215599852 - MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] - YIM moimeme666fr - AIM moimeme666fr TheBat! 3.5.25 and Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 on Windows 2000 ___ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 1GB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello Clive! On Wednesday, June 01, 2005, 4:40 PM, you wrote: Except for Micro-Ed and Alt-L and selective quoting! :) But you know, Mary, Tony does have a good point. ... So far as IMAP currently functions for him, yes. But he's just back from being away and bleating about the fixes Maxim is doing and how no one from the development team will answer his (Tony's) bleats (poor little lamb irony/sarcasm mode). But 9Val is probably working on Tony's problem even as we speak, and as 9Val himself once so eloquently inquired on this list: paraphrasing Would you rather I'd be answering your posts or working on your code? ... There's no advantage in having fancy buttons and bows on your dress if it's split at the back and your under-garments are on show to the world! I don't think Tony wears dresses--only, on occasion, fishnet stockings (that's a TBOT thread; sorry if you missed it--all of us had great fun with that one and Tony was at his wittiest). As for my own dress, it's POP3 and serving my needs quite elegantly, while saving me loads of time via Micro-Ed and its adjunct buttons and bows. friendly smile Which incidentally, I think, were sewed onto the POP3 garment ages ago--certainly as early as v. 1.61, and possibly v. 1.45 (which I didn't come on the scene early enough to utilize). Nevertheless, I do appreciate your witty figure of speech and hope Tony did, too. I'm late with this because I had to leave the thread early to accompany my older sister to her appointment with her opthalmalogist. Just got in. After the doctor's appointment, both of us went out to dinner with her son and his wife. I'm replete with New York strip steak and Key Lime pie. Wish I could have shared with you, if you like that kind of stuff. :) Truly, I do know that I'm rambling OT here. You would think I wanted trout for a second dessert! Anyway, back on-topic: POP3 with plain text is basically functional--will send, receive, and manage mail--lacking only a few things to make all its users happy. IMAP--a holey garment. But I think it will be stitched up before the summer is out. ;) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.25 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
MB little lamb irony/sarcasm mode). But 9Val is probably working on MB Tony's problem even as we speak, and as 9Val himself once so MB eloquently inquired on this list: MB paraphrasing Would you rather I'd be answering your posts or working MB on your code? This is the problem: Ritlabs should develop the code (that is not OUR code!) and reflect to customers. MB I'm late with this because I had to leave the thread early to MB accompany my older sister to her appointment with her opthalmalogist. MB Just got in. After the doctor's appointment, both of us went out to MB dinner with her son and his wife. ??? What?? Your sister is his and has a wife?? -- Vili Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
Hello Vili! On Wednesday, June 01, 2005, 9:34 PM, you wrote: This is the problem: Ritlabs should develop the code (that is not OUR code!) and reflect to customers. And the point at issue is that I think that RitLabs are getting it (the IMAP part of the code) functional as quickly as they can. Others, like Tony, seem to think the code to meet his needs is not receiving adequate attention (in that sense it is his, code, i.e., the code RitLabs is making for its customers). MB I'm late with this because I had to leave the thread early to MB accompany my older sister to her appointment with her opthalmalogist. MB Just got in. After the doctor's appointment, both of us went out to MB dinner with her son and his wife. ??? What?? Your sister is his and has a wife?? My sister is her. My nephew, her son, is his--being the closest antecedent to the pronoun, son is the referent of his. I do know that you're just trying to be witty, and I appreciate the cheering tone. My facetious mode is running down, though. It's close to my bedtime. My sister is 87 years old and only just this afternoon was diagnosed with severe glaucoma in her left eye. It's treatable, of course, with the drops prescribed for her to put in 4 times a day. But if she's not faithful to put them in, she could completely lose the vision in that eye--which vision at present is already pretty dim. So, we weren't celebrating when we went out to dinner--more like sort of distracting ourselves from looking in the face the ills that flesh is heir to. Shakespeare Which is more or less what e-mail and the TB! lists do for me, also. I do realize that for others, TB! is either a tool with which to make a living, or an adjunct tool to help make getting that living easier. Just a little more faith in the integrity of the RitLabs development team--that's all I'm calling for. friendly smile -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.25 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
On 6/1/05, Mary Bull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Vili! On Wednesday, June 01, 2005, 9:34 PM, you wrote: This is the problem: Ritlabs should develop the code (that is not OUR code!) and reflect to customers. And the point at issue is that I think that RitLabs are getting it (the IMAP part of the code) functional as quickly as they can. Others, like Tony, seem to think the code to meet his needs is not receiving adequate attention (in that sense it is his, code, i.e., the code RitLabs is making for its customers). With just cause I believe. I won't deny that the IMAP support has continued to improve, but it was supposed to just work well over a year ago (maybe two?). Furthermore, we've gone through several iterations of we'll work on IMAP now that have only amounted to barely passable IMAP support. I'd like to complain that two feature enhancements (really, necessities IMHO) have just been ignored*, but when normal message viewing and sorting are still not solid, I guess I really can't. * IMAP UCE filtering: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3668 IMAP QUOTA support: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1448 -- Kevin Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
MB I'm late with this because I had to leave the thread early to MB accompany my older sister to her appointment with her opthalmalogist. MB Just got in. After the doctor's appointment, both of us went out to MB dinner with her son and his wife. ??? What?? Your sister is his and has a wife?? MB My sister is her. My nephew, her son, is his--being the closest MB antecedent to the pronoun, son is the referent of his. Ahh, ok. I thought that the son is ca. 10 years old. Excuse me, I have 10 yrs kids. All 4 of them :)) MB the drops prescribed for her to put in 4 times a day. But if she's not MB faithful to put them in, she could completely lose the vision in that MB eye--which vision at present is already pretty dim. Then just push her to use the drop! MB Which is more or less what e-mail and the TB! lists do for me, MB also. I do realize that for others, TB! is either a tool with MB which to make a living, or an adjunct tool to help make getting MB that living easier. Just a little more faith in the integrity of MB the RitLabs development team--that's all I'm calling for. MB friendly smile I distribute TB! in Hungary. So, I kind of making a living (ok, this alone would not be enough, software piracy here is still high) from TB!, but it is hard to always ask users for patience, sometimes lie to them... Yes, lie, I mean repeat the phrases on TB! site, that I know that just promises... By now I always use the term it is written on Ritlabs site etc. The last example was The Bat! Voyager... But you are right, I always trust in the development, as I saw how TB! was ahead of the competitors... When I wrote this down somewhere else, I got the anger of a lot of people... My answer was that I am proud that I provided a lot of support and wrote 4 freeware softwares (HIXEditor, BackupTheBat, EmailAlarm, Youvegotmail) for TB! partly before I started to sell TB. So, that is why I openly pointing on the errors of TB! now. Positive criticism push things further. I am a chemist, I learnt it. Cheers, -- Vili Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
