Re: Setting Expand all threads is ignored when switching between two threading viewmodes

2011-11-10 Thread GwenDragon
Hello mse,
On Wed, 9 Nov 2011, at 22:01:14 [GMT +0100] (which was 22:01 where I
live) mse wrote:

 For quite some time I observe that in a specific situation the threads are
 not expanded although this setting is enabled. This non-expanding always
 happens when the folder that was previously selected also has a viewmode
 assigned, that threads messages and expands these threads. 
 However, expanding all threads works correctly when switching to a third 
 folder with no viewmode
 or a non-threading viewmode in between.
I can confirm this.

 See steps to reproduce here:
 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8937
Bug confirmed in BT.

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Setting Expand all threads is ignored when switching between two threading viewmodes

2011-11-09 Thread mse
Hello all,

In the settings for viewmodes you can specify, that when displaying 
messages in threads, all those threads shall be expanded (enable setting 
Expand all threads).  

For quite some time I observe that in a specific situation the threads are 
not expanded although this setting is enabled. This non-expanding always 
happens when the folder that was previously selected also has a viewmode 
assigned, that threads messages and expands these threads. 
However, expanding all threads works correctly when switching to a third folder 
with no viewmode 
or a non-threading viewmode in between. 

See steps to reproduce here:
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First column in non-threading mode is still wide like in threading mode

2011-03-30 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello,
is it really so hard to fix this? Why is empty place used for [+] icon
displayed in mode without threading?
  

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Still additional space in first column with no threading mode enabled

2011-02-23 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello,
seems like first column in non-threading uses same column width like threading 
mode, but this is wrong. Please fix before final version.



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Status bar counter includes groups when threading by Subject/Sender/Recipient

2011-02-22 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello,
when is threading by Subject/Sender/Recipient enabled for particular
folder, I expand all groups and select all messages in folder by Ctrl+A,
counter Selected messages in Status bar includes groups too.

reported in https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8473

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When displaying deleted messages, Subject is not crossed in Threading mode

2011-01-01 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello,
when I enable Browse deleted messages, deleted messages are crossed in
message list. When is threading mode disabled, everything including Subject
is crossed, but in Threading mode, Subject is not crossed.

reported in https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8266

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Message list Context menu group Thread is displayed in non-threading mode

2011-01-01 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello,
I am playing with view modes and as I discovered, group Thread is
included in context menu of Message list pane, even I have no threading
mode enabled.

reported in https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8268

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Changed threading behavior in 4.0.34.11

2008-09-28 Thread Rick
I am resending this as it is a serious aggravation and change in
behavior that happened for the first time in this release (.11)
Should I open a bug report?


Formerly a thread from an earlier time would receive a new message and
move to the top of the message list. The thread would stay there even
if I deleted the new message

Now, if you delete the new message it jumps back to it's former place
in the message list.

I am threading by references, expanding all threads, grouping by date, and new 
thread sorting. This is the way it was before and after upgrading to .11 - 
nothing else changed

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Changed threading behavior in 4.0.34.11

2008-09-27 Thread Rick
I have just noticed a change in behavior that I don't particularly
care for.

Formerly a thread from an earlier time would receive a new message and
move to the top of the message list. The thread would stay there even
if I deleted the new message

Now, if you delete the new message it jumps back to it's former place
in the message list.

I am threading by references, expanding all threads, grouping by date, and new 
thread sorting. This is the way it was before and after upgrading to .11 - 
nothing else changed

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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-29 Thread Dwight Corrin
On Thursday, February 28, 2008, 5:57:57 PM, Paul Van Noord wrote:

 Your answer is in the word attachment. It is not a part of the
 message and bears no identity of the message. They are as different
 as apples and cucumbers.

it sure is. just look at the size of the message. it just gets added
differently. when it is gone the message is changed.

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Re[2]: Threading issue

2008-02-29 Thread Paul Van Noord
2/29/2008  12:30 PM

Hi Dwight,

On 2/29/2008 Dwight Corrin wrote:

 Your answer is in the word attachment. It is not a part of the
 message and bears no identity of the message. They are as different
 as apples and cucumbers.

DC it sure is. just look at the size of the message. it just gets added
DC differently. when it is gone the message is changed.

It can also be stored apart from the message. The attachment is
nothing more than a passenger who has hired a message to transport it.

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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-29 Thread Rick Grunwald
 On Thursday, February 28, 2008, 5:57:57 PM, Paul Van Noord wrote:

 Your answer is in the word attachment. It is not a part of the
 message and bears no identity of the message. They are as different
 as apples and cucumbers.

 it sure is. just look at the size of the message. it just gets added
 differently. when it is gone the message is changed.

You have a point!!

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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-29 Thread Dwight Corrin
On Thursday, February 28, 2008, 6:20:59 PM, MAU wrote:

 Seems to me that 'supplementary' is the key.

If you are trying to maintain integrity of what was sent/received,
then the attachment has to be considered part of that package. If we
are worrying about evidentiary matters, then we have to worry about
what was in the attachment as much or more than what was in the
headers. You can doctor what was sent/received and where are we left.

How you can restrict the sanctity of all this to one portion and
still pretend that there is some moral imperative for the whole is
beyond me.

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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-29 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Friday, February 29, 2008, 11:31:29 AM, Paul Van Noord wrote:

 It can also be stored apart from the message.

For the sanctity of what was dispatched, this too should be
eliminated.

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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-29 Thread MAU
Hello Dwight,

 How you can restrict the sanctity of all this to one portion and
 still pretend that there is some moral imperative for the whole is
 beyond me.

In my mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], a reply to Rick 
Grunwald about editing Subject or nor, I wrote:

,- [  ]
| It is and has been a long and endless discussion and it is not the first
| time I say I will not support it. But I will not go wild either if the
| option is ever implemented. :)
`-

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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-28 Thread Dwight Corrin
On Tuesday, February 26, 2008, 8:01:32 PM, MAU wrote:

 This, to me, has the advantage that full integrity of received
 message is maintained, including all the headers.

What is with this obsession with the full integrity of received
message? Maybe that is the least important aspect of the messages
someone wants to edit.

If integrity is so important, why are we allowed to separate
attachments from the rest of the message, or to delete an attachment?

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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-28 Thread Rick Grunwald
 On Tuesday, February 26, 2008, 8:01:32 PM, MAU wrote:

 This, to me, has the advantage that full integrity of received
 message is maintained, including all the headers.

 What is with this obsession with the full integrity of received
 message? Maybe that is the least important aspect of the messages
 someone wants to edit.

 If integrity is so important, why are we allowed to separate
 attachments from the rest of the message, or to delete an attachment?

When such passionate arguments are in process you aren't supposed
to make so much sense   :))

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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-28 Thread MAU
Hello Dwight,

 This, to me, has the advantage that full integrity of received
 message is maintained, including all the headers.

 What is with this obsession with the full integrity of received
 message? Maybe that is the least important aspect of the messages
 someone wants to edit.

Yes, maybe.

 If integrity is so important, why are we allowed to separate
 attachments from the rest of the message, or to delete an attachment?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/attachment

,- [  ]
| a. A supplementary part; an accessory: /bought a vacuum cleaner with
| several attachments/. See Synonyms at _appendage_.
| 
| b. A supplementary document that is attached to a primary document:
| /stapled two attachments to the memorandum/.
`-

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Re[2]: Threading issue

2008-02-28 Thread Paul Van Noord
2/28/2008  6:55 PM

Hi Dwight,

On 2/28/2008 Dwight Corrin wrote:

DC If integrity is so important, why are we allowed to separate
DC attachments from the rest of the message, or to delete an attachment?

Your answer is in the word attachment. It is not a part of the
message and bears no identity of the message. They are as different as
apples and cucumbers.

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Re[2]: Threading issue

2008-02-27 Thread Paul Van Noord
2/27/2008  12:20 PM

Hi MAU,

On 2/26/2008 MAU wrote:

M Why don't you forward it to yourself as a MIME attachment? You don't
M even need to actually send it, just put it in Outbox and then move it to
M appropriate folder. This, to me, has the advantage that full integrity
M of received message is maintained, including all the headers.

M This has also the side advantage that you can use the body of the
M message to yourself for notes or comments about the received message
M and, again, maintaining full integrity of the received message. I have
M done this a few times instead of using the Memo field, which is not
M readily visible and that is kept separately in the Index file and not as
M part of the message itself.

M And if the received message is part of a thread (for example a reply to
M a previous one in a mailing list), and you'd like to maintain threading,
M do a Reply to the the same 'previous' message and attach it. Again, this
M will maintain full integrity of the originally received message.

Actually I just drag the message to the Outbox, change the subject
line and file it. The original subject is unimportant to me and
threading is not an issue as I seldom use it.

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Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread Rick Grunwald
I have a message that incorrectly threaded with another from last
August. I cannot break the threading

Can someone post the directions once again to make sure I am doing it
correctly? I [shift] drag it to the left and get the message OK to
remove the threading to which I answer OK but nothing happens
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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread MAU
Hello Rick,

 I have a message that incorrectly threaded with another from last
 August. I cannot break the threading

Are you threading just by Reference, by Subject or by Reference plus 
Subject?

Why do you think is it incorrectly Threaded? 

What is the Message-ID of the message it is threaded to?

What is the 'In-Reply-To:' header, if it has any, of the the message 
wrongly threaded?

What is the 'References:' header, if it has any, of the the message 
wrongly threaded?

Could it be that you threaded it manually?

 Can someone post the directions once again to make sure I am doing it
 correctly? I [shift] drag it to the left and get the message OK to
 remove the threading to which I answer OK but nothing happens.

You don't seem to be doing anything wrong but, the fact that threading 
is not removed may depend on your answer to above questions.

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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread Rick Grunwald
 Hello Rick,

 I have a message that incorrectly threaded with another from last
 August. I cannot break the threading

 Are you threading just by Reference, by Subject or by Reference plus 
 Subject?

 Why do you think is it incorrectly Threaded? 

 What is the Message-ID of the message it is threaded to?

 What is the 'In-Reply-To:' header, if it has any, of the the message 
 wrongly threaded?

 What is the 'References:' header, if it has any, of the the message 
 wrongly threaded?

 Could it be that you threaded it manually?

 Can someone post the directions once again to make sure I am doing it
 correctly? I [shift] drag it to the left and get the message OK to
 remove the threading to which I answer OK but nothing happens.

 You don't seem to be doing anything wrong but, the fact that threading
 is not removed may depend on your answer to above questions.

I created a new email yesterday. I received a reply today. It
attached to a message with the same subject but otherwise totally
unrelated that was sent back in August.
That folder is threaded by Reference + Subject
One has References the older one does not
The message IDs are totally different
The only thing in common is the subject

I have had things thread incorrectly before (very rare!) but I can't
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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread MAU
Hello Rick,

 That folder is threaded by Reference + Subject

Change it to just by Reference. 

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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread Rick Grunwald
 You don't seem to be doing anything wrong but, the fact that threading
 is not removed may depend on your answer to above questions.

I just discovered that I CAN thread it to a different message. If I
do that the one from August disappears back down the list. However if
I remove the NEW threading, it is again threaded to the original from
August

The only way to break the threading is to thread it to something
else. Odd ...
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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread Rick Grunwald
 Hello Rick,

 That folder is threaded by Reference + Subject

 Change it to just by Reference. 

Thanks - that fixed it but I remember when I first started using the
Bat, an experienced user advised me to set it up reference + subject

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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread MAU
Hello Rick,

 I just discovered that I CAN thread it to a different message. If I
 do that the one from August disappears back down the list. However if
 I remove the NEW threading, it is again threaded to the original from
 August


Yes, that is the 'stupid' way threading by Subject works. Because it is 
NOT threading, it is and should be called 'Grouping' or something 
similar.

 The only way to break the threading is to thread it to something
 else. Odd ...

Think of it, just for illustration purposes, as it was a virtual folder 
filtering on an specific subject. How can you prevent a message from 
appearing in such a 'folder' if it has the required subject?
 

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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread Rick Grunwald
 Hello Rick,

 I just discovered that I CAN thread it to a different message. If I
 do that the one from August disappears back down the list. However if
 I remove the NEW threading, it is again threaded to the original from
 August


 Yes, that is the 'stupid' way threading by Subject works. Because it is
 NOT threading, it is and should be called 'Grouping' or something 
 similar.

 The only way to break the threading is to thread it to something
 else. Odd ...

 Think of it, just for illustration purposes, as it was a virtual folder
 filtering on an specific subject. How can you prevent a message from 
 appearing in such a 'folder' if it has the required subject?
  

Oh I understood when you gave the advice - that was a leftover from
when I was new to the bat. BTW your last paragraph gave yet another
EXCELLENT REASON to implement Subject editing in received emails :))

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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread MAU
Hello Rick,

 That folder is threaded by Reference + Subject

 Change it to just by Reference. 

 Thanks - that fixed it but I remember when I first started using the
 Bat, an experienced user advised me to set it up reference + subject

I am sure it wasn't me, I would have never suggested that and now you 
know why :)


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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread Rick Grunwald
 Hello Rick,

 That folder is threaded by Reference + Subject

 Change it to just by Reference. 

 Thanks - that fixed it but I remember when I first started using the
 Bat, an experienced user advised me to set it up reference + subject

 I am sure it wasn't me, I would have never suggested that and now you 
 know why :)

The thing is it wouldn't let me BREAK the threading unless I threaded
it to something else - they the original with the same subject would
disappear


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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread MAU
Hello Rick,

 BTW your last paragraph gave yet another EXCELLENT REASON to implement
 Subject editing in received emails :))

Yes, and why not be able to also edit the Created date and time? 
Haven't you ver received a message with a 'wrong date' and that 
doesn't show properly if you are sorting by Created date? And, while we 
are at it, why not be able to edit the 'Content-Type:' header to change 
the charset so it will match the one of our preferred Viewer Profile? Or 
even, and while we are still at it, to change the name of an attachment 
so it will not be confused with one we received yesterday with the same 
name. And... :) 

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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread Rick Grunwald
 Hello Rick,

 BTW your last paragraph gave yet another EXCELLENT REASON to implement
 Subject editing in received emails :))

 Yes, and why not be able to also edit the Created date and time? 
 Haven't you ver received a message with a 'wrong date' and that 
 doesn't show properly if you are sorting by Created date? And, while we
 are at it, why not be able to edit the 'Content-Type:' header to change
 the charset so it will match the one of our preferred Viewer Profile? Or
 even, and while we are still at it, to change the name of an attachment
 so it will not be confused with one we received yesterday with the same
 name. And... :) 

All good points! However supporting editing the subject line is
sufficient for this version
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6700
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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread MAU
Hello Rick,

 All good points! However supporting editing the subject line is
 sufficient for this version
 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6700
 :))

It is and has been a long and endless discussion and it is not the first
time I say I will not support it. But I will not go wild either if the
option is ever implemented. :)

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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread Jens Franik
Guten Tag Rick Grunwald,

am Dienstag, 26. Februar 2008 um 17:56 schrieben Sie:

 Hello Rick,

 I have a message that incorrectly threaded with another from last
 August. I cannot break the threading

 Are you threading just by Reference, by Subject or by Reference plus 
 Subject?

 Why do you think is it incorrectly Threaded? 

 What is the Message-ID of the message it is threaded to?

 What is the 'In-Reply-To:' header, if it has any, of the the message 
 wrongly threaded?

 What is the 'References:' header, if it has any, of the the message 
 wrongly threaded?

 Could it be that you threaded it manually?

 Can someone post the directions once again to make sure I am doing it
 correctly? I [shift] drag it to the left and get the message OK to
 remove the threading to which I answer OK but nothing happens.

 You don't seem to be doing anything wrong but, the fact that threading
 is not removed may depend on your answer to above questions.

 I created a new email yesterday. I received a reply today. It
 attached to a message with the same subject but otherwise totally
 unrelated that was sent back in August.
 That folder is threaded by Reference + Subject
 One has References the older one does not
 The message IDs are totally different
 The only thing in common is the subject

 I have had things thread incorrectly before (very rare!) but I can't
 UNthread these

You should maybe be more exactly, because the Threading
depends on the Reference of the Mail. Please post both
Message-IDs (Example)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

and the Headers of the wrong following Message (Example)
In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
References: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Then everybody is able to see, if this Threading is ok.

Otherwise, you should edit the following Mail.

And: believe me, Users often use a old Message and start a
new Thread by clicking reply on the old, if you then have
threading, you are lost in space.

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Re[2]: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread Paul Van Noord
2/26/2008  1:57 PM

Hi MAU,

On 2/26/2008 MAU wrote:

 BTW your last paragraph gave yet another EXCELLENT REASON to implement
 Subject editing in received emails :))

M Yes, and why not be able to also edit the Created date and time? 
M Haven't you ver received a message with a 'wrong date' and that 
M doesn't show properly if you are sorting by Created date? And, while we
M are at it, why not be able to edit the 'Content-Type:' header to change
M the charset so it will match the one of our preferred Viewer Profile? Or
M even, and while we are still at it, to change the name of an attachment
M so it will not be confused with one we received yesterday with the same
M name. And... :) 

Well said!

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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread Rick Grunwald
 2/26/2008  1:57 PM

 Hi MAU,

 On 2/26/2008 MAU wrote:

 BTW your last paragraph gave yet another EXCELLENT REASON to implement
 Subject editing in received emails :))

M Yes, and why not be able to also edit the Created date and time? 
M Haven't you ver received a message with a 'wrong date' and that 
M doesn't show properly if you are sorting by Created date? And, while we
M are at it, why not be able to edit the 'Content-Type:' header to change
M the charset so it will match the one of our preferred Viewer Profile? Or
M even, and while we are still at it, to change the name of an attachment
M so it will not be confused with one we received yesterday with the same
M name. And... :) 

 Well said!

 But I will not go wild either if the
 option is ever implemented. :)

WELL SAID!

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Re[2]: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread Maggie Meister
Hi MAU,

On Tuesday, February 26, 2008 at 1:21:22 PM you wrote:

M  why not be able to edit the 'Content-Type:' header to change 
M the charset so it will match the one of our preferred Viewer Profile?

Yes! My eyes thank you! Such a good idea.  I'll support if you wish.

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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread MAU
Hello Maggie,

M  why not be able to edit the 'Content-Type:' header to change 
M the charset so it will match the one of our preferred Viewer Profile?

 Yes! My eyes thank you! Such a good idea.  I'll support if you wish.

Sorry my dear, but I don't wish :)

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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread Rick Grunwald
 Hi MAU,

 On Tuesday, February 26, 2008 at 1:21:22 PM you wrote:

M  why not be able to edit the 'Content-Type:' header to change 
M the charset so it will match the one of our preferred Viewer Profile?

 Yes! My eyes thank you! Such a good idea.  I'll support if you wish.

SUPPORTED!
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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread Jens Franik
Guten Tag Rick Grunwald,

am Dienstag, 26. Februar 2008 um 21:04 schrieben Sie:

 Hi MAU,

 On Tuesday, February 26, 2008 at 1:21:22 PM you wrote:

M  why not be able to edit the 'Content-Type:' header to change 
M the charset so it will match the one of our preferred Viewer Profile?

 Yes! My eyes thank you! Such a good idea.  I'll support if you wish.

 SUPPORTED!

Absolutely supported!

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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread Rick Grunwald
 Guten Tag Rick Grunwald,

 am Dienstag, 26. Februar 2008 um 21:04 schrieben Sie:

 Hi MAU,

 On Tuesday, February 26, 2008 at 1:21:22 PM you wrote:

M  why not be able to edit the 'Content-Type:' header to change 
M the charset so it will match the one of our preferred Viewer Profile?

 Yes! My eyes thank you! Such a good idea.  I'll support if you wish.

 SUPPORTED!

 Absolutely supported!

... and I support your support!

MAU - it was your idea - do you want to open the whish item? :))

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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread MAU
Hello Jens,

M  why not be able to edit the 'Content-Type:' header to change 
M the charset so it will match the one of our preferred Viewer Profile?

 Yes! My eyes thank you! Such a good idea.  I'll support if you wish.

 SUPPORTED!

 Absolutely supported!

Oh my goodness! You guys can't be serious! I leave you alone for a 
couple of hours and look what you have started! ;-)

Isn't it much simpler, with no development required and with no fiddling
needed with the headers of a message because your want to view it with
your preferred profile which is defined for a different charset, to
just use one profile (the default one, for example) that is NOT
associated to any charset in particular? That way, all messages, no
matter which charset is used, will be viewed with this profile. And
then, if a language/charset is best viewed with a different font and
profile, define one associated to that charset in particular.

I really can't believe you are being serious.

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Re[2]: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread Maggie Meister
Hi MAU,

On Tuesday, February 26, 2008 at 2:35:06 PM you wrote:

M Hello Maggie,

M  why not be able to edit the 'Content-Type:' header to change 
M the charset so it will match the one of our preferred Viewer Profile?

 Yes! My eyes thank you! Such a good idea.  I'll support if you wish.

M Sorry my dear, but I don't wish :)

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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread Rick Grunwald
 I really can't believe you are being serious.
We were just following your lead!   :'(
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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread MAU
Hello Rick,

 MAU - it was your idea - do you want to open the whish item? :))

Certainly NOT! See my reply to Jens :)

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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread MAU
Hello Rick,

 I really can't believe you are being serious.
 We were just following your lead!   :'(

My 'lead', as you call it, and please don't anyone feel offended, was
just to illustrate how 'ridiculous' I find the request to edit the
Subject of received messages.

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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread Rick Grunwald
 Hello Rick,

 I really can't believe you are being serious.
 We were just following your lead!   :'(

 My 'lead', as you call it, and please don't anyone feel offended, was
 just to illustrate how 'ridiculous' I find the request to edit the
 Subject of received messages.

... and you were having your leg pulled :))

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Re[2]: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread Paul Van Noord
2/26/2008  4:31 PM

Hi MAU,

On 2/26/2008 MAU wrote:

M I really can't believe you are being serious.

Me either.

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Re[2]: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread Paul Van Noord
2/26/2008  4:32 PM

Hi MAU,

On 2/26/2008 MAU wrote:

 I really can't believe you are being serious.
 We were just following your lead!   :'(

M My 'lead', as you call it, and please don't anyone feel offended, was
M just to illustrate how 'ridiculous' I find the request to edit the
M Subject of received messages.

P. T. Barnum said there is one born every minute. 8-]}

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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread Rick Grunwald
M just to illustrate how 'ridiculous' I find the request to edit the
M Subject of received messages.
Actually Poco mail allows that and I found it to occasionally be VERY
handy
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Re[2]: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread Paul Van Noord
2/26/2008  5:27 PM

Hi Rick,

On 2/26/2008 Rick Grunwald wrote:

RG Actually Poco mail allows that and I found it to occasionally be VERY
RG handy

Too many other challenges with Poco. I admit there are times I want to
change the subject is a received message so I just redirect it to me
with the changes. Takes little time and works well.

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Re[2]: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread Maggie Meister
Hi MAU,

On Tuesday, February 26, 2008 at 4:08:32 PM you wrote:

M Hello Jens,

M  why not be able to edit the 'Content-Type:' header to change 
M the charset so it will match the one of our preferred Viewer Profile?

 Yes! My eyes thank you! Such a good idea.  I'll support if you wish.

 SUPPORTED!

 Absolutely supported!

M Oh my goodness! You guys can't be serious! I leave you alone for a 
M couple of hours and look what you have started! ;-)

It's not our fault - there wasn't enough beer.

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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Maggie,

On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:34:59 -0500 GMT (27/02/2008, 06:34 +0700 GMT),
Maggie Meister wrote:

 SUPPORTED!

 Absolutely supported!

M Oh my goodness! You guys can't be serious! I leave you alone for a 
M couple of hours and look what you have started! ;-)

MM It's not our fault - there wasn't enough beer.

You should try one of my beer. According to MAU, it is good for your
eyes too, as it will prevent you from having to look at the wrong
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Re: Threading issue

2008-02-26 Thread MAU
Hello Paul,

 I admit there are times I want to change the subject is a received
 message so I just redirect it to me with the changes. Takes little
 time and works well.

Why don't you forward it to yourself as a MIME attachment? You don't
even need to actually send it, just put it in Outbox and then move it to
appropriate folder. This, to me, has the advantage that full integrity
of received message is maintained, including all the headers.

This has also the side advantage that you can use the body of the
message to yourself for notes or comments about the received message
and, again, maintaining full integrity of the received message. I have
done this a few times instead of using the Memo field, which is not
readily visible and that is kept separately in the Index file and not as
part of the message itself.

And if the received message is part of a thread (for example a reply to
a previous one in a mailing list), and you'd like to maintain threading,
do a Reply to the the same 'previous' message and attach it. Again, this
will maintain full integrity of the originally received message.

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Re: Threading - changed behavior?

2008-02-20 Thread Rick Grunwald
 On Thursday, February 14, 2008, at 18:07:11 [UTC-0500] (Thursday,
 February 14, 2008 00:07 my local time) Rick Grunwald wrote:

 Thanks for the quick reply. I had the sort on CREATED. I sorted by
 Received and there was no change in the order. The thread with the
 newest message was still in the same place

 has always been like this afair

 I don't think so. A new message used to drive the thread to the
 thread to the top of the list. Now it does not although a new message
 to a thread sitting in YESTERDAY'S mail will do as before: drive the
 thread to the top of today's mail

 I am sure the operation of New thread sorting was changed in 4.0.14
 version. Previous behaviour was better for me due to quick move of
 the thread to the top of list. In 4.0.14.3 the rule still remains erroneous.

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Re[2]: Threading - changed behavior?

2008-02-13 Thread Carsten Guthardt-Schulz
 Thanks for the quick reply. I had the sort on CREATED. I sorted by
 Received and there was no change in the order. The thread with the
 newest message was still in the same place

has always been like this afair


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Re: Threading - changed behavior?

2008-02-13 Thread Rick Grunwald
 Thanks for the quick reply. I had the sort on CREATED. I sorted by
 Received and there was no change in the order. The thread with the
 newest message was still in the same place

 has always been like this afair


I don't think so. A new message used to drive the thread to the
thread to the top of the list. Now it does not although a new message
to a thread sitting in YESTERDAY'S mail will do as before: drive the
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Threading - changed behavior?

2008-02-12 Thread Rick Grunwald
I have threading set up to thread by references+subject and sort by
date descending, sort new threads check.

I BELIEVE that when a new message arrived and was threaded with
another, it drove the thread to the top (I sort mail descending). That
no longer seems to be the case. Is this changed behavior?
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Re: Threading - changed behavior?

2008-02-12 Thread Rick Grunwald
 On Tuesday, February 12, 2008, at 16:34:04 [UTC-0500] (Tuesday,
 February 12, 2008 22:34 my local time) Rick Grunwald wrote:

 I have threading set up to thread by references+subject and sort by
 date descending, sort new threads check.

 I BELIEVE that when a new message arrived and was threaded with
 another, it drove the thread to the top (I sort mail descending). That
 no longer seems to be the case. Is this changed behavior?

 Probably yes, I can confirm such change as well. RIT, please revert it
 to the original operation.

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Re: Threading - changed behavior?

2008-02-12 Thread Stefan Tanurkov
Hello Rick,

RG I have threading set up to thread by references+subject and sort by
RG date descending, sort new threads check.

I don't see the arrow on the Received column, so sorting criteria
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Re: Threading - changed behavior?

2008-02-12 Thread Rick Grunwald
 Hello Rick,

RG I have threading set up to thread by references+subject and sort by
RG date descending, sort new threads check.

 I don't see the arrow on the Received column, so sorting criteria
 is something unknown...

Thanks for the quick reply. I had the sort on CREATED. I sorted by
Received and there was no change in the order. The thread with the
newest message was still in the same place

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Re: Replies not threading (WAS: Re: Found it)

2008-02-03 Thread MAU
Hello Ethan,


 I use the TB for my replies. 
 ...
 ...
 So, at this time I have to cut and past a new message to participate
 in the conversation.

OK, no problem. I was just curious about what was the reason for not 
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Replies not threading (WAS: Re: Found it)

2008-02-02 Thread MAU
Hello Ethan,

 Sorry. Closing TB, removing the reg-key, restarting TB did not bring
 the Languages menu option back. TB still complains about selecting
 languages.

 Confirmed.

Your last 3 replies will not thread. That is, they do not include an 
In-Reply-To or References header. Have you used TB for these replies?

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Replies not threading (WAS: Re: Found it)

2008-02-02 Thread Ethan J. Mings
Hello ,


Your last 3 replies will not thread. That is, they do not include an
In-Reply-To or References header. Have you used TB for these replies?

Miguel:

I use the TB for my replies.  However, the digest has been blacklisted
given the use of images and html files.

Example:

Content-Type: IMAGE/PNG;
 name=B_English.png
Content-transfer-encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment;
 filename=B_English.png

So, at this time I have to cut and past a new message to participate
in the conversation.

Personally, I would prefer if html messages, encoding file
attachments could be dropped.

However, this is the best I can do at this time.

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4.0.0.2: Can't delete groups when threading by Subject

2007-12-23 Thread MAU
Hello all,

I have a couple of folders where I thread by Subject. In previous
versions (up to 3.99.29) I could select the 'group' and when hitting
Delete (or selecting it from menu) I would get a confirmation dialog
saying:

---
Delete messages
---
The selection contains groups. Do you really want to delete them?
---
Sí   No   
---

If if my answer was 'Yes', ALL messages in the group would be deleted.

In current version, when selecting the 'group' the Delete key doesn't do
anything and the Delete option is disabled (greyed out) in menu.

If this a bug or a new intended behaviour? If not a bug, why the change?
I think that getting the confirmation dialog was safe enough, more
specially so when you also have the option to Undelete.

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Re: 4.0.0.2: Can't delete groups when threading by Subject

2007-12-23 Thread MAU
Hello MAU,

 In current version, when selecting the 'group' the Delete key doesn't do
 anything and the Delete option is disabled (greyed out) in menu.

 If this a bug or a new intended behaviour? If not a bug, why the change?
 I think that getting the confirmation dialog was safe enough, more
 specially so when you also have the option to Undelete.


I had forgotten about the Thread/Delete (Shift+Ctrl+M) option. It still
works, but with no confirmation dialog. It just deletes the thread.

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Re: 4.0.0.2: Can't delete groups when threading by Subject

2007-12-23 Thread Stefan Tanurkov
Hello MAU,


M In current version, when selecting the 'group' the Delete key doesn't do
M anything and the Delete option is disabled (greyed out) in menu.

M If this a bug or a new intended behaviour? If not a bug, why the change?

It's a bug, definitely.


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Re: 4.0.0.2: Can't delete groups when threading by Subject

2007-12-23 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello all,
Sunday, December 23, 2007, Stefan Tanurkov wrote:

M In current version, when selecting the 'group' the Delete key doesn't do
M anything and the Delete option is disabled (greyed out) in menu.

M If this a bug or a new intended behaviour? If not a bug, why the change?

 It's a bug, definitely.

seems other confirmations dialogs are not working too, TB stopped
displaying confirmation before saving message with empty subject,
I have it enabled.

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Re: 4.0.0.2: Can't delete groups when threading by Subject

2007-12-23 Thread Stefan Tanurkov
Hello Marek,

MM seems other confirmations dialogs are not working too, TB stopped
MM displaying confirmation before saving message with empty subject,
MM I have it enabled.

Here, all confirmations are working... I wonder whether it has
something to do with Maxim's compilation...


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Re: 4.0.0.2: Can't delete groups when threading by Subject

2007-12-23 Thread MAU
Hello Stefan,

M In current version, when selecting the 'group' the Delete key doesn't do
M anything and the Delete option is disabled (greyed out) in menu.

M If this a bug or a new intended behaviour? If not a bug, why the change?

 It's a bug, definitely.

And it has a BT number now:

https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6573

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Re: 4.0.0.2: Can't delete groups when threading by Subject

2007-12-23 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Sunday, December 23, 2007, 8:48:27 AM, Peter Hampf wrote:

 here it also prompts me when I try to save a message without a
 subject.

I didn't get a prompt, but I can't find the spot to be sure it's set
to do so.

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Re: 4.0.0.2: Can't delete groups when threading by Subject

2007-12-23 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello all,
Sunday, December 23, 2007, Stefan Tanurkov wrote:

MM seems other confirmations dialogs are not working too, TB stopped
MM displaying confirmation before saving message with empty subject,
MM I have it enabled.

 Here, all confirmations are working... I wonder whether it has
 something to do with Maxim's compilation...

do not understand why, but registry entry Empty Subject Warning have
allways 0 value, even I check this option in Preferences.

And when I filled 1 manually and started TB, this options stays
disabled...

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Re: 4.0.0.2: Can't delete groups when threading by Subject

2007-12-23 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello all,
Sunday, December 23, 2007, Stefan Tanurkov wrote:

MM seems other confirmations dialogs are not working too, TB stopped
MM displaying confirmation before saving message with empty subject,
MM I have it enabled.

 Here, all confirmations are working... I wonder whether it has
 something to do with Maxim's compilation...

I see confirmation when marking messages as read in account or folder,
deleting parked messages or deleting message from preview, but do not see
confirmation when deleting message groups or when saving message with empty
subject.

And all 6 options are checked.

Strange, isn't it?

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Re[2]: Threading Issues

2006-09-29 Thread Steven P Vallière
Alexander,

Wednesday, September 27, 2006, 12:26:29 PM, you wrote:

ASK Try to use threading by reference and subject (combined).
ASK Press ALT+5 in the messagelist to activate it, or by
ASK reference alone (ALT+1). Its not a cure-all, but usually
ASK better than threading by subject alone.

For me, this isn't much better.  In fact, all of the threading
options just scatter messages about in different ways, probably
due to the fact that no two email programs agree on how to
address the darn things.  sigh

ASK Add a supporting note to this wishlist item, please:
ASK http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5152

Added.  Hope we get more votes...  I hope everyone else on this
list checks it out to see if they agree it is worthwile (or not)...

ASK Notifying those people about their irritating behaviour is
ASK like being Don Quixote fighting the windmills.

Just like trying to teach parents about computer security...
smile

ASK You can always re-thread messages (was implemented in some v3 of TB):
ASK drag  drop a message onto a thread to re-thread it, shift-drag to
ASK un-thread it.

Well, at least there's a manual way to fix TB's mess...


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Threading Issues

2006-09-27 Thread Steven P Vallière
Because different email software authors have different
ideas on how to prefix replies (i.e.:

  * some add one re: and no more
  
  * others always ad an additional re:, sometimes resulting
in subjects like re: re: re: re: News

  * and some, like TB, use a numbering scheme such as re[3]:

) threaded views a rarely correctly organized (except in
groups like this one where everyone is using the same email
program).

I'd like to suggest/request an option for the threading model
to either do whatever it is doing now (for those who like it)
*OR* to have it skip over all known forms of the 're' prefixes.
Perhaps even allowing the user to specify a regular expression
for what constitutes the various types of 're' prefixes that
are to be ignored when trying to match subject lines for
threading.

I'm attaching a screencap from one of the worst threaded
folders I have as an example.  There should be 11 threads
but there are 25 visible (and more farther down the list).
Also note that some of the threads contain messages from
DIFFERENT THREADS!

As the example shows, TB's current threading model is not
usable when multiple correspondents all use different email
software.  Especially when the various packages all prefix
replies differently.  TB just gets totally lost and even
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Re: Threading Issues

2006-09-27 Thread Stuart Cuddy
Hello Steven,
  A reminder of what Steven P Vallière typed on:
  Wednesday, September 27, 2006 at 07:46:10 GMT -0400

SPV I'd like to suggest/request an option for the threading model
SPV to either do whatever it is doing now (for those who like it)
SPV *OR* to have it skip over all known forms of the 're' prefixes.

 Have you tried threading by reference. I find it works much better
than threading by subject. Not perfect, as you say when differnent
mailers are used, but usually better than threading by subject.

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Re: Threading Issues

2006-09-27 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Steven P Vallière  everyone else,

on 27-Sep-2006 at 13:46 you (Steven P Vallière) wrote:

 threaded views a rarely correctly organized (except in groups like
 this one where everyone is using the same email program).

Try to use threading by reference and subject (combined). Press ALT+5 in
the messagelist to activate it, or by reference alone (ALT+1). Its not a
cure-all, but usually better than threading by subject alone.

Threading by reference fails when there are no references. Crappy
webmailers like hotmail, aol and whatnot simply leave out these headers.
Outlook 2003, when sending directly over an ISPs smtp server, even
leaves out the message-id. You can't possibly thread these messages
correctly.

These mailers are RFC-ignorant, but as long as the RFC only says
should and not must in the specs for references and in-reply-to
headers (as well as the message-id), there's not much to do about it but
re-thread the wrongly or un-threaded messages.


 I'd like to suggest/request an option for the threading model to
 either do whatever it is doing now (for those who like it) *OR* to
 have it skip over all known forms of the 're' prefixes. Perhaps even
 allowing the user to specify a regular expression for what constitutes
 the various types of 're' prefixes that are to be ignored when trying
 to match subject lines for threading.

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 Also note that some of the threads contain messages from DIFFERENT
 THREADS!

If threads contain different messages, its usually not because TB makes
an error here, but because the users are too ignorant. When they want to
write a new message, they choose the reply function instead (because
they are too lazy to type in the list address, for example) and most of
them are completely unaware of these references headers - they don't
know that, even if they change the subject, the reference to the
original message is still part of the reply.

Notifying those people about their irritating behaviour is like being
Don Quixote fighting the windmills.

You can always re-thread messages (was implemented in some v3 of TB):
drag  drop a message onto a thread to re-thread it, shift-drag to
un-thread it.

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Re: Threading

2006-08-11 Thread Stuart Hemming
 Hallo Stuart,

 On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:10:35 +0100GMT (10-8-2006, 15:10 , where I
 live), you wrote:

SH It's also true that the mechanism it uses is different from the
SH brain-dead client that most other people use, ie Outlook.

SH WIBNI there was a use Outlook Threading Model option, ideally on a
SH folder-by-folder basis?

 Outlook threads by subject, doesn't it?
I don't believe so, no. It appears to use the Headers Thread-Topic and
Thread-Index.

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Threading

2006-08-10 Thread Stuart Hemming
It's true that the threading in TB! works nicely.

It's also true that the mechanism it uses is different from the
brain-dead client that most other people use, ie Outlook.

WIBNI there was a use Outlook Threading Model option, ideally on a
folder-by-folder basis?

Or are you all going to tell me I'm missing something else?

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Re: Threading

2006-08-10 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Stuart,

On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:10:35 +0100GMT (10-8-2006, 15:10 , where I
live), you wrote:

SH It's also true that the mechanism it uses is different from the
SH brain-dead client that most other people use, ie Outlook.

SH WIBNI there was a use Outlook Threading Model option, ideally on a
SH folder-by-folder basis?

Outlook threads by subject, doesn't it? You can select that for TB
too, you can set the threading option in a view mode and set the view
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Re: Threading

2006-08-10 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Stuart Hemming  everyone else,

you waved the red flag for me, Stuart... :-)

on 10-Aug-2006 at 15:10 you (Stuart Hemming) wrote:

 It's true that the threading in TB! works nicely.

I don't think so. The mixed threading by reference and subject often
fails and sorts messages wrong. This works better in other clients.


 WIBNI there was a use Outlook Threading Model option, ideally on a
 folder-by-folder basis?

There is no Outlook Threading Model. Outlook uses its own proprietary
Thread-Index header to sort conversations in a threaded view. This
only works in Outlook, it is part of the Exchange transfer protocol. Its
a proprietary MS invention. Apparently, it was too difficult for MS to
implement threaded views using existing techniques with in-reply-to and
references headers. Whatever.

Whats worse is that Outlook 2003 does not create message IDs itself (and
it does not break the RFC by doing so), this *should* be done by the
mailserver if no msgid is present (which for example Exchange does), but
many SMTP servers out there (I mean ISPs) don't do that. So, if you're
trying to thread messages coming from Outlook, you'll fail with any
other client but Outlook.

And TB's threading mechanism fails on such messages indeed. The
re-threading doesn't work propperly either. You can't re-thread an
Outlook message into its appropriate position in a thread. I've
discussed this in a BT note and was told it ain't possible any other
way.

And whats worse is that Outlook DOES create an in-reply-to header. Which
means: if you are the originator of a message and an Outlook user
replies to it, his message will be threaded correctly. But when you
reply to his (or her) reply again, the references header contains only
your message IDs (because the Outlook message has no msgid), and your
reply ends in TBs threaded view under your very own originating message.

It should be like this:

  TB message (#1)
  +-Outlook message (#2)
+-TB message (#3)

But TB shows it like this:

  TB message (#1)
  +-Outlook message (#2)
  +-TB message (#3)

I'd be surprised if Outlook 2007 will behave more nicely, but I doubt
it. And I don't feel the urge to try the Office 2007 beta. :-)


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Re: broken threading [was Re: (no subject)]

2005-12-17 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Mary Bull  everyone else,

on 17-Dez-2005 at 04:35 you (Mary Bull) wrote:

 And they fixed my nickname/address book problem. A feature that I may be
 the only one here using. But I had missed it fiercely.

Oh no, you're not. I'm also making use of this.

I'm also still on .08 for obvious reasons.

The betas after .08 feel like Its friday, I'm tired, it compiled, lets
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Re: broken threading [was Re: (no subject)]

2005-12-17 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Alexander!

On Saturday, December 17, 2005, 5:21 AM, you wrote:

 And they fixed my nickname/address book problem. A feature that I
 may be the only one here using. But I had missed it fiercely.

 Oh no, you're not. I'm also making use of this.

Oh, great! If you or anyone spoke on-list about it, besides MAU's
comment that he hadn't known about the feature before my complaining
post, I missed it.

And I don't miss very much here--I try to read every post and mostly
succeed at that.

Thanks for saying now.

 I'm also still on .08 for obvious reasons.

Me too. ;)

 The betas after .08 feel like Its friday, I'm tired, it compiled,
 lets release it for me.

Oh, I hope that's not the scenario! :(

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broken threading [was Re: (no subject)]

2005-12-16 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Friday, December 16, 2005, 8:09:34 PM, Dwight A Corrin wrote:

 [-] (#0005456) %CURSOR=BODY macro was not functional

 Well, there is a little good news. This seems to actually be fixed.

 going back to .08 now.

threading is also obviously broken, because I replied to 9val's
announcement, and it isn't threaded there here.

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Re: broken threading [was Re: (no subject)]

2005-12-16 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Friday, December 16, 2005, 8:20:27 PM, Peter Ouwehand wrote:

 V3.63.13 is not fit for beta testing.

fully concur. used it only long enough to confirm that they did fix
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Re: broken threading [was Re: (no subject)]

2005-12-16 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Dwight!

On Friday, December 16, 2005, 9:03 PM, you wrote:

 V3.63.13 is not fit for beta testing.

 fully concur. used it only long enough to confirm that they did fix
 the %cursor problem

And they fixed my nickname/address book problem. A feature that I may
be the only one here using. But I had missed it fiercely.

X-Rogue and the other customized macros are still broken, however.

And in general the header functions are a mess. :(

So I'm running v. 3.63.08.

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Re: Re-Threading fails

2005-11-06 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello,

this is a pretty old thread but I stumbled across the problem just now
again...

on 24-Sep-2005 at 11:46 I wrote:

 has anyone else occasional problems with the re-threading? I seem to be
 unable to attach a reply to a message that has no message ID. Maybe other
 factors apply, I don't know.

I've filed a bug report: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5294

Thanks for looking. :)

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Re: Re-Threading fails

2005-09-25 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Roelof Otten  everyone else,

on 25-Sep-2005 at 00:29 you (Roelof Otten) wrote:

ASK IIRC correct the message-ID isn't absolutely mandatory,

 RFC2822 says that it should be inserted by the mta when the mua
 doesn't do so. That's rather mandatory, isn't it?

Another day, another message...

What I find in RFC 2822 is:

.-
| Though optional, every message SHOULD have a Message-ID: field.
|Furthermore, reply messages SHOULD have In-Reply-To: and
|References: fields as appropriate, as described below.
`-

Can you point me to the exact location of your findings about this? I have
a similar topic open in the support forum of my domain/mail provider, would
be nice to point them to the article. :-)

I furthermore wonder how TB should behave when replying to messages without
msg-id, especially if the message without msg-id already IS a reply, and
does contain an in-reply-to header (thats what Outlook 2003 does, can you
believe it?).

As it is now, TB's picks the in-reply-to header and adds the content to
the references header list - but it can't set a new in-reply-to header,
because there's no msg-id to refer to. So, the threading information of the
references list is broken, and viewing threads by references leads to a
wrongly sorted message tree. Shouldn't it be omitted altogether?


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Re: Re-Threading fails

2005-09-24 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Alexander,

On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:46:52 +0200GMT (24-9-2005, 12:46 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

ASK has anyone else occasional problems with the re-threading? I seem to be
ASK unable to attach a reply to a message that has no message ID. Maybe other
ASK factors apply, I don't know.

Never had any, but my server inserts a Message-ID when it's missing.
So I tested it.
I exported a message to .msg
deleted the msg-id with a text editor
imported it in tbbeta
tried to re-thread your message to it and it didn't work

re-threaded your message to another message (that went fine),
tried to re-thread your message afterwards to the one without msg-id
and your message surfaced without a thread


Then I copied the same message, but with msg-id to tbbeta
and the threading went just fine,
so I guess the problem is the msg-id.


ASK (Outlook 2003, when sending directly via SMTP and not over Exchange server,
ASK creates no message ID)

Never noticed that, but now you mention it, it does so indeed.

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Re: Re-Threading fails

2005-09-24 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Roelof Otten  everyone else,

on 24-Sep-2005 at 23:46 you (Roelof Otten) wrote:

 Then I copied the same message, but with msg-id to tbbeta
 and the threading went just fine,
 so I guess the problem is the msg-id.

Thank you for your tests.

IIRC correct the message-ID isn't absolutely mandatory, but on the other
hand, it is of course vital for threading. But then again, the re-threading
was implemented for messages that fail normal threading. I wonder what to
do now :-) ...report it as a bug, or curse at Microsoft?

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Re: Re-Threading fails

2005-09-24 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Alexander,

On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:09:44 +0200GMT (25-9-2005, 0:09 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

ASK Thank you for your tests.

You're welcome.

ASK IIRC correct the message-ID isn't absolutely mandatory,

RFC2822 says that it should be inserted by the mta when the mua
doesn't do so. That's rather mandatory, isn't it?

ASK but on the other hand, it is of course vital for threading. But
ASK then again, the re-threading was implemented for messages that
ASK fail normal threading. I wonder what to do now :-) ...

That's easy.

ASK report it as a bug, or curse at Microsoft?

Both. And complain with your ISP that their smtp server doesn't
include a message-id.

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Re: Re-Threading fails

2005-09-24 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Roelof Otten  everyone else,

on 25-Sep-2005 at 00:29 you (Roelof Otten) wrote:

ASK IIRC correct the message-ID isn't absolutely mandatory,

 RFC2822 says that it should be inserted by the mta when the mua
 doesn't do so. That's rather mandatory, isn't it?

OK, I see.


ASK report it as a bug, or curse at Microsoft?

 Both.

:)

 And complain with your ISP that their smtp server doesn't include a
 message-id.

If I understand this correctly, any mta that finds a message that does not
contain a msg-id should add one. The problematic message I found went from
a friends computer with Outlook2003 thru the smtp of his freemail provider,
to a listmailer, then to my inbox. That makes three mta's that did not add
the msg-id. Looks like a lot of work. :-)

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Re: IMAP threading on receiving new messages

2005-09-01 Thread Curtis
On Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 2:16:27 PM [GMT -0500], Martin Webster
wrote:

 Messages aren't threaded when receiving messages into local cache
 Threading only occurs after switching between folders. See attached
 images. Possibly won't notice this if you keep TB! open all day long.

 Can anyone confirm?

Confirmed. I'd be reading TBBETA. My own post arrives and it's not
threaded. It's when I move to another folder and get back, that my
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Re: IMAP threading on receiving new messages

2005-09-01 Thread Martin Webster
Hello Curtis  Michael,

On 01 September 2005, 10:47 you wrote:

 Messages aren't threaded when receiving messages into local cache
 Threading only occurs after switching between folders. See attached
 images. Possibly won't notice this if you keep TB! open all day long.

 Can anyone confirm?

 Confirmed. I'd be reading TBBETA. My own post arrives and it's not
 threaded. It's when I move to another folder and get back, that my
 message now threads with the others.

I've created a bug track entry:
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5076.

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IMAP threading on receiving new messages

2005-08-31 Thread Martin Webster
Hello tbbeta, 

Messages aren't threaded when receiving messages into local cache
Threading only occurs after switching between folders. See attached
images. Possibly won't notice this if you keep TB! open all day long.

Can anyone confirm?

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Re: IMAP threading on receiving new messages

2005-08-31 Thread Michael Schneider
Hi Martin,

Am Wednesday, August 31, 2005, 9:16:27 PM, schreibst du:

 Messages aren't threaded when receiving messages into local cache
 Threading only occurs after switching between folders. See attached
 images. Possibly won't notice this if you keep TB! open all day long.

 Can anyone confirm?

Confirmed.


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End of Vili threading problems

2005-07-01 Thread Vili
Just let you know, I have changed to gmail :)

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Re: End of Vili threading problems

2005-07-01 Thread Boris Anders
Hello Vili,

Vili wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]):

 Just let you know, I have changed to gmail :)

Thank you.

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Re: End of Vili threading problems

2005-07-01 Thread Ben Allen
Howdy Vili,

Friday, July 1, 2005, 12:55:58 PM, Vili wrotened:

V Just let you know, I have changed to gmail :)

ok i'll try and remember




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Re: Wrong threading (Was: Re: Distributed AS IS)

2005-06-15 Thread Tony Boom
Hello MAU.

--On 15 June 2005 01:33 +0200 you wrote about Wrong threading (Was: Re:
Distributed AS IS):


 Can you or anybody explain what happened here?

Don't look at me, it's nothing to do with me this time. I have to admit to
sporting a wry, almost smug smile though when I see you quote the headers :)


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