Re[3]: Standard Templates
Hi Oleg, on Wednesday, October 27, 1999, 2:27:03 PM GMT+0800, Oleg Zalyalov wrote: OZ Monday, October 25, 1999, Steve Lamb wrote about OZ Standard Templates: SL Sunday, October 24, 1999, 10:57:13 PM, Thomas wrote: - all templates should add "-- /n" before the sig. - Forward template should look like this: SL Sure... If each template should have the standard sig delimiter in it, SL why did you just suggest a forward template that does not? :) OZ I think it is because it will be not easy to make use of forwarded OZ information when recipient of the forwarded message will want to OZ reply, and especially to forward the message. That's what I think too. While Steve is right in asking this question, I think he is even "righter" in questioning my wording. I also think he was being ironic in his remark and knows what we mean. :-P So, the sig delimiter should be standard for the "send" and "reply" templates. And, since we're at it, the normal "template" should be renamed "send template" ;-) -- Best regards, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.36 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: THE BAT! Will it be a newsreader option ?
Hello Leif, Saturday, October 23, 1999, 6:07:32 AM, you wrote: Yes Outlook and Communicator package all that stuff together, but they are both bloated pigs of software that don't do their jobs very well. We have used Communicator since 4.5 version and Netscape 3.0 before for mail and it was perfect and working very well. The bat is a really good piece of software and news is relatively similar to e-mail management. I hope to see this feature too. Best regards, -- Technical Support http://www.monbebe.net Un site pour apprendre a etre parents -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: PGP and auto decrypt - was Re: New proposed ideas / features for The Bat
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 Hello Mark, Tuesday, Tuesday, October 26, 1999, you wrote: Mark Hi Patrick, Mark Tuesday, October 26, 1999, 4:21:24 PM, you wrote: PE mh.. just had a look at the screenshots. they claim to be pmmail2000 PE shots but actually show pmmail/98 at the top of the window... seems PE that not so much has changed... and we aliens outside of the US don't PE get the PGP-version either... ;( Mark You can if you lie on the form and use a .com address :) but it seems Mark little changed from PMM98 even the unlock password is the same what unlock password.. Use cabmanager and it unlocks without even asking for one Its an executable cab file, right click and you see if cabmanager is installed all the files, just drag them to a directory, no password required (g) Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.36 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: filter question
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 Hello Soth, Tuesday, Tuesday, October 26, 1999, you wrote: Soth At 9:49:41 PM on Monday, October 25, 1999, your quill inscribed unto the ether: Now all of the remaining messages (which end up unfiltered in my INBOX) I would like deleted from the server. I created a filter rule called "clean up server" and placed this filter last on my list of filters. The search criteria is *.* and the action is delete from server. Is this the correct way to accomplish my task? Soth I can't attest to whether or not that is the "correct" way. But I do Soth know that searching for "@" in the sender works. ;-) (that's what I used Soth for the longest time.) So presumably searching in sender or receiver for @ and if not there means we can get rid of another load of spam which doesnt have a sender or receiver. I just changed mine to dump stuff incoming to the spam folder before I switch it to deleting without showing me... First a look if innicent bystanders get hit... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.36 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Send from....?
Wednesday, October 27, 1999 Hello Michael, Tuesday, Tuesday, October 26, 1999, you wrote: Michael Hallo The Bat! Users, Michael One strange question: I have several mail-addresses. Now when I write a new Michael Message, I can choose with "From:" in the header from which mail-address this Michael mail should come. Michael It changes the "Reply-To" correctly to the new address, but the letter is sent Michael from the account which was active when "New Mail" was chosen, no matter what the Michael "From:"-field says... Michael I don't think this is supposed to be that way I sure donot like it that way . secondly, as I asked earlier, I like to be able per user to say what account he gets answered from. In advance so that mistakes are prevented and my private mail CANNOT go via my office server as if it bounces back... Its defeating the purpose if you send people email and essentially they get answered from an account you donot want them to know... Michael Greetings, Michael Michael a.k.a. Tron Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.36 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Standard Templates
Hi all, On Wednesday, October 27, 1999, 1:51:35 AM (-5 GMT), Thomas scribbled: snip So, the sig delimiter should be standard for the "send" and "reply" templates. And, since we're at it, the normal "template" should be renamed "send template" ;-) ^ You mean 'new message template'. -- Regards, -=Ali=- A computer's attention span is as long as it's power cord. *---* Using The Bat! 1.36 on Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 5) *---* -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Standard Templates
Hallo Ali, On Wednesday, October 27, 1999, 7:49:14 PM (GMT+0800), Ali Martin wrote: AM snip So, the sig delimiter should be standard for the "send" and "reply" templates. And, since we're at it, the normal "template" should be renamed "send template" ;-) AM ^ AM You mean 'new message template'. So, in Account Properties it is called "New Message Template" (which is fine), but in Folder Properties (which I use a lot more) is is just called "Template". Nothing to add... ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.36 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Standard Templates
Tuesday, October 26, 1999, 11:27:03 PM, Oleg wrote: I think it is because it will be not easy to make use of forwarded information when recipient of the forwarded message will want to reply, and especially to forward the message. The signature should go after the forwarded section then. ;) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
multiple EMail addresses / address book / favourite
Hello TBUsers, it is possible to enter more than one email addresses in the properties of an address book entry. If I create a new mail using a recipient from the arrow/drop down menu (favourites) next to the new mail button, the first email address will be in the "to" field, but the second in the "CC" field. Selecting a recipient through the address book symbol in the "to" field, only the first email address will be used (no CC). I'd like to store multiple email addresses but I don't want them to show up in "CC:" (using the favourites menu) - I just need to store them _somewhere_ for special occasions. -- With best regards, Claudius Regn mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.36 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Message list comments.
Hello Ali, Tuesday, October 26, 1999, 12:11:16 PM, you wrote: When viewing messages by thread, is it really necessary to have the subject for every message within a thread displayed? It makes the listing appear very cluttered when you expand the threads and the repeated listing of the message subject takes up a lot of screen real estate, pushing the listing out of the boundaries of the message list pane. The simple solution is, of course, to increase your screen resolution. I'm running at 1280x1042 and even without THE BAT maximized to fill the entire screen, I usually get a full view of all the information in the message list. What I'd like to see is the ability to "expand all" in the message thread listing. Clicking on all those cute little "+" signs is a little tedious in large threads. -- wet, slippery, and randomly-positioned fish, Morganmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For PGP Key: Reply with "send mc key" in subject -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Message list comments.
Hello Morgan, Wednesday, October 27, 1999, 5:57:06 PM, you wrote: MCWhat I'd like to see is the ability to "expand all" in the message MCthread listing. Clicking on all those cute little "+" signs is a MClittle tedious in large threads. What about Ctrl + *(on NumPad)? Try it, you will love it ;-)) -- Best regards, Alex Sanyukovitch 6:08 PM 10/27/99 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[5]: Autoformat
Hi Marck D. Pearlstone, On Dienstag, 26. Oktober 1999 at 23:37:08 you wrote: MDP On 26 October 1999 at 18:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] told the list: OS Sorry, I'd have no problem doing that. One possibility is what you OS just mentioned above. If the editor inserted, say, a CR/LF pair OS when the user presses Return, it could easily use a single CR to OS mark those lines that were formatted automatically. MDP This only works if the single CRs are converted back to CR/LF pairs MDP before transmission. It doesn't help distinguish paragraphs that are MDP in quoted text. It doesn't really change very much at all. So, why shouldn't I convert the single CRs back to CR/LF pairs when sending the mail? Anyway, any mailer has to be able to handle types of CR marks, as every unix mail system in the world will only send CR anyway. OS Also, they should be using a multi-byte charset, there's enough OS space in there to use some magic sequence as a mark. MDP There maybe but it means TB users will be able to send mail to other MDP TB! users ... again, unless the mail is stripped of special encoding MDP before transmission. Exactly. OS IMHO, the a-f function is just that, a function for display time OS wrapping of continuous strings. MDP I think not. IMHO It is a function to move the location of the CR/LF MDP pair within the paragraph of message text in memory so that when lines MDP are shown on-screen and (more importantly) *when sent* at the position MDP you see. The display function doesn't wrap - it shows the already MDP wrapped text. I don't care at all, really. Even if I repeat myself: I want a function to auto-format the text I type. Without doing anything harmful to the text I didn't write (like in quotations) or the text in any other paragraphs apart from the one I'm typing right now. How the programmer does that... I couldn't care less. But, being a programmer myself, I can tell it's way from difficult. OS Anyway, this discussion arose when someone said he's not happy OS with the way the function works. MDP It arose when I saw a clear definition of a specific fault within a-f MDP (as opposed to a "not happy" feeling) which I reported as a bug. I MDP also provided a suggested fix from a software engineering perspective. MDP I copied the bug report to this list for discussion and this is the MDP discussion that has arisen. I posted a bug report about that myself, also copied to the list. To me, the bug is simply that the text in my message, be it quoted or not, has it's format destroyed more often than not. The a-f function also works in places it has no business doing so, like when I paste text. Sure, I can temporarily switch it off when typing some text that should not get formatted, but a single correction in an otherwise left-bound paragraph will give me a lot of work to do. I can use undo, but that's no pleasure, either, because the different steps the editor takes to format the text are undone separately. There's no way, as you can see in the current paragraph, to start a new line. If I was the programmer, I'd have to deal with people saying "nice feature, but very badly thought out". OS Well, as someone also pointed out, it's a first try at a new OS function. Maybe it will become better. MDP ... but not without reports of specific faults. Well, what else can I do? MDP I have noticed that whenever I have reported a specific bug to a MDP software manufacturer, it has been fixed in about 99% of cases. MDP Whenever I have suggested an enhancement to functionality or an MDP improvement in a feature I have been pretty regularly ignored ... MDP although not always completely ;-). Making a function work in the way it should have from the start has nothing to do with enhancing anything. A bug is not only a single point you can lay your hand on and say "this is what has to be done to fix it", but it's also failure in concept or implementation. IMO, that's exactly the point about a-f. Anyway, about reporting bugs... I have done so several times with The Bat!, but I'm not too happy with the reaction. 1) There has never been any answer from anyone who would have been recognizable as a developer. There's no public list of known bugs. I have no way at all to know if my bug report reached anyone at all. 2) Many bugs I reported have never been fixed by now, AFAIK. I've not been on this list for years, but it's half a year since I reported some things that are still not fixed, although they are not _that_ hard: - Ctrl-Backspace still doesn't work across newlines. - Ctrl-A to select all doesn't work when viewing threads. It only selects the thread top nodes, not _all_. Maybe someone will tell me it's a feature, but I still have no idea what to use that for. - Viewing threads is still not good. I've never before used a mailer
Re[6]: Autoformat
On 27 October 1999 at 18:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] told the list: OS IMHO, the a-f function is just that, a function for display time OS wrapping of continuous strings. MDP I think not. IMHO It is a function to move the location of the CR/LF MDP pair within the paragraph of message text in memory so that when lines MDP are shown on-screen and (more importantly) *when sent* at the position MDP you see. The display function doesn't wrap - it shows the already MDP wrapped text. OS I don't care at all, really. Even if I repeat myself: I want a OS function to auto-format the text I type. I was only saying that that is not what is *there*. Accepted it is what you are suggesting. OS Without doing anything harmful to the text I didn't write (like in OS quotations) or the text in any other paragraphs apart from the one OS I'm typing right now. How the programmer does that... I couldn't OS care less. But, being a programmer myself, I can tell it's way OS from difficult. From scratch - sure. When entrenched with a lot of other facilities and functionality - maybe, maybe not. OS Anyway, this discussion arose when someone said he's not happy OS with the way the function works. MDP It arose when I saw a clear definition of a specific fault MDP within a-f (as opposed to a "not happy" feeling) which I MDP reported as a bug. I also provided a suggested fix from a MDP software engineering perspective. I copied the bug report to MDP this list for discussion and this is the discussion that has MDP arisen. OS I posted a bug report about that myself, also copied to the list. OS To me, the bug is simply that the text in my message, be it quoted OS or not, has it's format destroyed more often than not. The a-f OS function also works in places it has no business doing so, like OS when I paste text. Sure, I can temporarily switch it off when OS typing some text that should not get formatted, but a single OS correction in an otherwise left-bound paragraph will give me a lot OS of work to do. I can use undo, but that's no pleasure, either, OS because the different steps the editor takes to format the text OS are undone separately. There's no way, as you can see in the OS current paragraph, to start a new line. If I was the programmer, OS I'd have to deal with people saying "nice feature, but very badly OS thought out". OS Well, as someone also pointed out, it's a first try at a new OS function. Maybe it will become better. MDP ... but not without reports of specific faults. OS Well, what else can I do? Be specific. "Badly thought out" is not. If you're a programmer then you, too, should be able to define a bug clearly. OS Making a function work in the way it should have from the start OS has nothing to do with enhancing anything. A bug is not only a OS single point you can lay your hand on and say "this is what has to OS be done to fix it", but it's also failure in concept or OS implementation. IMO, that's exactly the point about a-f. I disagree. "Making a function work better" comes more under the "suggestions for improvement" banner. By definition a "bug" is a logic error which has a defined method for reproducing it and a quantifiable effect on what happens. OS Anyway, about reporting bugs... I have done so several times with The OS Bat!, but I'm not too happy with the reaction. OS 1) There has never been any answer from anyone who would have been OSrecognizable as a developer. There's no public list of known bugs. OSI have no way at all to know if my bug report reached anyone at OSall. The guys at RIT have a policy of only acknowledging the first report on a specific bug and only notifying that single person of its' cure. It is my belief that they do read them all. OS 2) Many bugs I reported have never been fixed by now, AFAIK. I've not OSbeen on this list for years, but it's half a year since I reported OSsome things that are still not fixed, although they are not _that_ OShard: OS- Ctrl-Backspace still doesn't work across newlines. OS- Ctrl-A to select all doesn't work when viewing threads. It only OS selects the thread top nodes, not _all_. Maybe someone will tell OS me it's a feature, but I still have no idea what to use that for. OS- Viewing threads is still not good. I've never before used a OS mailer that had four different methods to create threads, but OS I've used several that combined those methods to provide OS consistent threads. .. in due course? OS Pardon me for ranting. Pardoned. It's been an interesting debate. :-) Cheers, Marck -- Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.36 under
Re: Message list comments.
Hi all, On Wednesday, October 27, 1999, 10:57:06 AM (-5 GMT), Morgan scribbled: When viewing messages by thread, is it really necessary to have the subject for every message within a thread displayed? It makes the listing appear very cluttered when you expand the threads and the repeated listing of the message subject takes up a lot of screen real estate, pushing the listing out of the boundaries of the message list pane. The simple solution is, of course, to increase your screen resolution. I'm running at 1280x1042 and even without THE BAT maximized to fill the entire screen, I usually get a full view of all the information in the message list. I run with a resolution of 1152x864. I hardly ever run any application full-screen unless I'm doing some photo-editing in an MDI type interface. I am always able to view the columns in my message listings unless I thread by references and expand the threads. All the columns drift to the right because of auto-adjustments made to accommodate the staggering of the threaded information. This results in columns going partially or completely out of view. I am simply suggesting that there must be a more efficient and aesthetic way of doing this. All other apps that I use which thread do this without ever auto-adjusting the column widths to keep information in view or completely display collimated information. What I'd like to see is the ability to "expand all" in the message thread listing. Clicking on all those cute little "+" signs is a little tedious in large threads. Ctrl + * sounds like the keyboard shortcut that you need. -- Regards, -=Ali=- IBM: Intercourse Beats Masturbation *---* Using The Bat! 1.36 on Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 5) *---* -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Copy a file with Outgoing filter
Hi there, We want to save in another special folder some outgoing mail. I just created an filter for this in outgoing branch, but the problem is that I have the sent mail in the outbox as well as the final folder. Is there a way to move it instead of copying it? Or instead of doing a copy (bottom of the "Actions" panel), should I use the "move messages to folder" in the rule one? Will the message be sent, even if I use send now or send later ? Thank you, -- DOLIST Support Information DOLIST, Internet E-mail List Server DOLIST information at : http://www.dolist.net -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Copy a file with Outgoing filter
Hello DOLIST, Wednesday, October 27, 1999, 11:36:32 PM, you wrote: DSI Hi there, DSI We want to save in another special folder some outgoing mail. DSI I just created an filter for this in outgoing branch, but the problem is DSI that I have the sent mail in the outbox as well as the final folder. DSI Is there a way to move it instead of copying it? DSI Or instead of doing a copy (bottom of the "Actions" panel), should I use DSI the "move messages to folder" in the rule one? Will the message be sent, DSI even if I use send now or send later ? DSI Thank you, If you just want to move your sent-mail, use the ""move messages to folder"... The messages will be sent (doesn't matter if you use 'send now' or 'send later'...) If you want to create a copy, use the actions panel... HTH -- Der Immer Jodelende Schweizer In Lederhosen Roelmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If love is blind, lingerie makes great braille. **==** If you believe in Light it's because of Obscurity If you believe in Joy it's because of Sadeness If you believe in God then you have to believe in the Devil * Father X, Exorcist, Church of Notre Dame - Paris * **==** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Out of memory trying to attach 9 megabyte ZIP file
Hi all, I'm running The Bat! v1.36 on German Windows 98 (first edition), PII-400 SCSI system with 128 megs RAM. At least 500 megs free on all local disk drives. I open a new message, write a few lines and then try to attach a ZIP file of about 9 megabytes to that message. After some lengthy hard disk activity (at least 30 seconds) a message box saying "Out of memory!" comes up and the file is not being attached. Is anybody able to replicate this? (I already sent a bug report) Just a general comment about attaching files: attaching large files to messages has always been awfully slow, there is definitely room for major improvement. I especially wonder why it almost takes the same amount of time again when you eventually save the message to Outbox after attaching the large file. Ralf. -- BackMagic: Disaster Recovery Cloning für Windows 9x http://www.backmagic.de -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Out of memory trying to attach 9 megabyte ZIP file
Wednesday, October 27, 1999, 3:15:07 PM, Ralf wrote: I open a new message, write a few lines and then try to attach a ZIP file of about 9 megabytes to that message. After some lengthy hard disk activity (at least 30 seconds) a message box saying "Out of memory!" comes up and the file is not being attached. And every person on the list who has any inkling of the standards just gnashed their teeth greatly. You are aware that a 9Mb attachment will most likely not be accepted by any point along the way? -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[7]: Autoformat
I (Marck) am posting this on behalf of Alexander V. Kiselev [EMAIL PROTECTED] who has unfortunately been unable to get any mail posted to the list since the server problems earlier this week, although he is still receiving list traffic. Those of you familiar with his contributions to date will understand how frustrated he must feel :-(. --- Hello all. Let's clarify things a bit. Here goes explanation of the author of another Delphi-based ASCII editor (WinEdt), Alex Simonic. Maybe it will help both the RIT labs programmers and the audience here to understand, what can be done with auto- formatting. Of course, considering e-mail application like TB, necessary changes are to be made, but the overall concept proved to be almost excellent (this is based on my own experience with the program named above and on the opinion expressed on the WinEdt mailing list). Okay, he we go:-)) * WinEdt supports line wrapping and paragraph wrapping. Line wrapping is enabled or disabled through the appropriate option in the Document Settings Dialog. Line wrapping applies only if your caret is over the right margin (as specified in Preferences| Editor Dialog) and you are positioned at the end of line. In such a case WinEdt goes back to the first space and simulates a line break. A more interesting concept is Paragraph wrapping, which is particularly useful when you are making additions/ changes to the sentence in the middle of a paragraph. However, the ASCII "concept" of a paragraph is not very well defined: lines are the basic components of ASCII files. WinEdt implements a wrapping strategy that is particularly suitable for writing TeX documents. Paragraphs are normally separated by empty lines. Lines that contain a Comment (as specified and enabled in Settings| Miscellaneous Dialog) are not formatted and also serve as paragraph separators. Furthermore, in the Settings Dialog you can specify so called "paragraph breaks" and "exceptions." If a line starts with any of the strings specified as paragraph breaks then such a line is considered a paragraph break unless it also matches a string specified as an exception to the rule. This allows two strategies for setting up paragraph breaks: you can either list all the strings that should serve as paragraph breaks. For example, the default settings specify: \begin \end [the rest of the list skipped...] Alternatively, some users might prefer disabling the formatting of all lines starting with "\" and then simply enter the exceptions such as "\cite"... After some dynamic adjustments this approach will yield the required result as well - you can enter the exceptions as you encounter them during your work. In Document Settings Dialog you can also specify whether or not indented lines should be subject to formatting. If you don't like the Wrapping feature you can disable it (eg. by clicking the appropriate Status Line Panel). You can still manually format a paragraph through the "Edit| Format| Format Paragraph" Command (by default it is associated with the (shortcut) Insert Key). This is more emacs-like behaviour... Auto wrapping is always disabled when you are in a Block Selection mode. If you select a portion of text and then call Format Paragraph command you can also specify the left and right margins for this paragraph by simply making the appropriate (left/right) block selection. Try it! WinEdt also supports "Soft" file format. This is the format used by many word processors and unconventional editors, in which paragraphs are separated by line terminators while lines are dynamically wrapped. If you open a file in "Soft" Mode WinEdt will display it properly. However, this "Soft" Mode is not WinEdt's native mode (WinEdt is primarily an ASCII editor) and the performance might not be as good as for ASCII files. Please note that while you might find wrapping in "Soft" mode more intuitive (especially if your experience is with WYSIWYG word processors) such files might no longer be transferable as ASCII files. * Okay, my apologies for this rather long explanation... Please consider this. This is what I call "well-thought" implementation:-) IMHO, of course. P.S. There exists a technical explanation of the implementation described above, too. It might be of some help to The Bat! programmers. If they (or anybody else) needs it, I can post it off-the-list, too. Or else everybody interested can just download WinEdt from www.winedt.com and see, how it works. I'm using it all the time (instead of Word, too) and am entirely satisfied with its functionality. BTW, I have no connection to the WinEdt project other then admiring user SY, Alex -- Alexander V. Kiselev, St.Petersburg, Russia --- Thought for the day: Walk through doors, don't crawl through Windows.
Re: Copy a file with Outgoing filter
Hi all, On Wednesday, October 27, 1999, 4:36:32 PM (-5 GMT), DOLIST scribbled: We want to save in another special folder some outgoing mail. I just created an filter for this in outgoing branch, but the problem is that I have the sent mail in the outbox as well as the final folder. Is there a way to move it instead of copying it? Or instead of doing a copy (bottom of the "Actions" panel), should I use the "move messages to folder" in the rule one? Will the message be sent, even if I use send now or send later ? Create the folder that you wish to have the outgoing mail copied to. Create an outgoing messages filter with outbox as the source and set the messages to be moved to your defined folder. Whenever you compose an appropriate message, it will then be sent off and a copy placed in your defined folder, *upon the message being sent and not before*. This will be done whether you select now or send later. -- Regards, -=Ali=- Some minds should be cultivated, others plowed under... *---* Using The Bat! 1.36 on Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 5) *---* -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Out of memory trying to attach 9 megabyte ZIP file
Hi all, On Wednesday, October 27, 1999, 5:22:25 PM (-5 GMT), Steve scribbled: I open a new message, write a few lines and then try to attach a ZIP file of about 9 megabytes to that message. After some lengthy hard disk activity (at least 30 seconds) a message box saying "Out of memory!" comes up and the file is not being attached. And every person on the list who has any inkling of the standards just gnashed their teeth greatly. You are aware that a 9Mb attachment will most likely not be accepted by any point along the way? So it's perhaps deliberate sabotage? :)) -- Regards, -=Ali=- I'm in shape ... round's a shape isn't it? *---* Using The Bat! 1.36 on Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 5) *---* -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: THE BAT! Will it be a newsreader option ?
On Monday, October 25, 1999, Leif Gregory wrote: PF I think that the list members as a whole are probably not very PF representative of the general user community and those who post PF even less so... I agree completely, but I'm of the strong conviction that to have a voice, you must vote... A democratic nation that ignores the fact that the majority of its citizens are not voting at all will be in trouble eventually; a business even more so. If the vocal minority is representative of the market, fine. If they are not ... well ... I've been computing for alot of years and could give you a long list of truly great programs that are no longer around, despite a core of avid, if not fanatical, fans, because that market wasn't enough to feed the programmers, who do have to eat like the the rest of us. I do have to say that I wish more people were tolerant of "unpopular wishes"... If you think it might be a better way, then ask! You might catch some flack, but hey, life goes on. No criticism of the list was intended. It's a nice list. Computers are not going away, they will continue to become a more and more integral part of our daily lives. Computers aren't intuitive, and like the great majority of other skills in the world, they must be learned and practiced. Not to digress too much, but I work with a man who recently purchased a PC for his home. He knows very little about PCs.He first bought a HP, when he struggled with setting it up because HP did not provide an easy, setup guide and he couldn't get his printer to work with it, he packed it up, returned it to the store and got an Compaq instead (e!) which is real good at thinking like people who know nothing about PCs. He's delighted with it; his wife is delighted with it; his daughter is delighted with it. This represents the future of computing. Computers will become a more and more integral part of our lives, but they will look and behave nothing like these primitive, difficult to use, unreliable, frustrating tools we use now - and it won't be that long - but in the meantime, there are livings, even fortunes, still to be made. This is the only argument I can't refute. In a business aspect, it would most likely behoove RIT Labs to cater to the larger and less savvy market. I love TB, but wouldn't hesitate to look elsewhere if it became bloatware. If RIT Labs thought they had a chance of putting TB on even a small part of corporate desktops, do you think there would be any contest? It all boils down to whether the niche market is enough to pay the bills and where RIT Labs wants to go. Somewhere in something written by RIT Labs, they say the program is intended primarily for businesses. I remember being surprised by that at the time, because I don't think I would have named my program The Bat! complete with animated logo if that were the case. I think - having sort of forgotten now - that my point was that a software company has more to consider than a few e-mails posted to a user list with respect to providing news reading capabilities or anything else about the development of their product. -- Paula Ford The Bat! 1.35 (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Message list comments.
On Tuesday, October 26, 1999, Ali Martin wrote: When viewing messages by thread, is it really necessary to have the subject for every message within a thread displayed? I also find this cluttered and awkward. Either of the alternatives you suggest sounds like an improvement. At least Gravity has the ability to configure with the message list across the entire width of the main window, an option I'd love to see in TB. -- Paula Ford The Bat! 1.35 (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: THE BAT! Will it be a newsreader option ?
Wednesday, October 27, 1999, 5:25:16 PM, Paula wrote: Computers will become a more and more integral part of our lives, but they will look and behave nothing like these primitive, difficult to use, unreliable, frustrating tools we use now - and it won't be that long - but in the meantime, there are livings, even fortunes, still to be made. Again, I take offense. I do not find my computers primative, difficult to use, unreliable or frustrating. I find that people have unreasonable expectations of what a computer should do and that they need to be educated to the fact that their expectations are entirely unreasonable. The alternative is the continued dumbing down of computers to a point where they are virtually unusable by anyone other than complete idiots. If RIT Labs thought they had a chance of putting TB on even a small part of corporate desktops, do you think there would be any contest? Yes, there would be. I think - having sort of forgotten now - that my point was that a software company has more to consider than a few e-mails posted to a user list with respect to providing news reading capabilities or anything else about the development of their product. Exactly, like looking for a niche market a lot of people forget, including you, repeatedly. The power user who doesn't want everything and the kitchen sink in their program. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: THE BAT! Will it be a newsreader option ?
On Wednesday, October 27, 1999, Steve Lamb wrote: Computers will become a more and more integral part of our lives, but they will look and behave nothing like these primitive, difficult to use, unreliable, frustrating tools we use now ... Again, I take offense. Again, I would ask what I said at which you should take offense. Perhaps you mean to say that you take exception. snip I think - having sort of forgotten now - that my point was that a software company has more to consider than a few e-mails posted to a user list with respect to providing news reading capabilities or anything else about the development of their product. Exactly, like looking for a niche market a lot of people forget, including you, repeatedly. The power user who doesn't want everything and the kitchen sink in their program. I think if you re-read my e-mails you will find that I fully recognize the niche market. The points being: (1) Is this RIT Labs intended market? I don't have a clue. (2) Is the market strong enough to support the company? Again, I don't have a clue. I repeat that I am not advocating for anything. I'm perfectly happy with my news reader. It's an interesting discussion of the factors that a software company must consider and the different needs of different markets. And, I have nothing further to add to what I've already said about it. -- Paula Ford The Bat! 1.35 (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: THE BAT! Will it be a newsreader option ?
Hi Steve,
on Thursday, October 28, 1999, 9:20:51 AM GMT+0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
Computers will become a more and more integral part of our lives, but
they will look and behave nothing like these primitive, difficult to
use, unreliable, frustrating tools we use now - and it won't be that
long - but in the meantime, there are livings, even fortunes, still to be
made.
SL Again, I take offense.
Why? Even if this was meant to offend computers (which it wasn't), why
do you take it personally? I think Paula is not suggesting anything
but saying what many people concerned with the future (I mean those
who try to foresee business matters, not fortune tellers -
those waddoyoucallems) say will happen.
SL I do not find my computers primative,
I agree with you.
SL difficult to use,
I disagree - they are, for the general public. At least "too"
difficult.
SL unreliable
I believe this depends on the software - hardware is pretty reliable
these days, in my personal experience.
SL or frustrating.
sigh I wish you were always right on this one. ;-)
SL I find that people have unreasonable expectations of what a
SL computer should do and that they need to be educated to the fact
SL that their expectations are entirely unreasonable.
This is the point were I entirely disagree with you. Expectations that
might look "unreasonable" to you today, may be the standard tomorrow.
Heck, I had this superfast computer with 16Mhz!! Had anybody ever told
me that tens years later, I would be calling 400MHz "not really fast
enough", I would have labeld him unreasonable. - How about our
Winchester Disks with the incredibly big storage capacity of 10MB? Had
anybody told me I would have a 6.2GB hard disk on my "home computer"
(!) only 15 years later, I would have laughed. - How about Bill Gates'
famous prediction that 64KB of RAM should be enough for everybody?
Along with these three things (speed/RAM/HD space) come possibilities
that will make computers really easy to use. Let me take voice control
complete with secure networking ("Computer, what's my account balance
at Bank A today?") as an example. Keyboards are one of these things
nobody wants to use in the future.
SL The alternative is the continued dumbing down of computers to a point
SL where they are virtually unusable by anyone other than complete idiots.
The average user does not need to be beyond complete idiots. Without
going too much into detail, I take programming a VCR as an example.
Don;'t you believe that this will be made easier so that Pop and Aunt
Mary will be able to prgramme theirs? - Computers will go the same
way. This is hardly avboidable in an open market. The consumer will
decide, not the programmer who says the consumers will just have to be
educated. The consumer refuses and says: "you want me to buy your
product, make the product the way I like it".
Please don't forget, you live in a computer world, for you this is
easy, but the average person (who will be the average computer user)
is interested in baseball, discotheques, or shareholder values. Even
if they could learn, they don't want to. Example: every manager in
business nowadays needs to know how to use Excel. Personally, I hate
these spreadsheets. OK, bad example, because you won't be able to do
these without a keyboard, even in the future, but what I want to say
is that many people whose focus on life is somewhere else than
computers, may not be too stupid to use them but simply not
inrterested in the complicated way they work now.
If RIT Labs thought they had a chance of putting TB on even a small part
of corporate desktops, do you think there would be any contest?
SL Yes, there would be.
The people in my office love to use different fonts, different font
sizes, and different colours in emails. I hate it. But that's why I
think Outlook will keep the biggest market share. I don't think TB
intends to go after that market, either. But let's not assume waht
TB's target makret is - RIT Labs will either have their own opinion,
or just wanted to create a programme *they* liked and are happy that
others like it too. We - the users - can only speculate and that is a
waste of bandwidth.
I think - having sort of forgotten now - that my point was that a
software company has more to consider than a few e-mails posted to a
user list with respect to providing news reading capabilities or
anything else about the development of their product.
SL Exactly, like looking for a niche market a lot of people forget, including
SL you, repeatedly. The power user who doesn't want everything and the kitchen
SL sink in their program.
And this is were I agree with you. I see TB as a programme which does
not cater to the masses but to the "select few" computer scholars. By
this I mean all sorts of programmers (pros, ex-pros, future-pros, and
hobbyists), postmasters and the like, who seem to be the majority on
this list, too, if I am not mistaken. And, with computers becoming
more and
PGP question
Hello TBUDL, Sorry for such a basic question... I'm a PGP novice. How do I send someone my key? -- Best regards, Michael mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: PGP question
Hi Michael, on Thursday, October 28, 1999, 10:53:25 AM GMT+0800, Michael Zigler DVM, CertVOphthal wrote: MZDC Sorry for such a basic question... I'm a PGP novice. How do I send MZDC someone my key? Your "public key" should be a text file. You can attach it to an email, or put it into the body of the email. If you cannot find that text file, go into Tools/PGP/Key Manager and export (save) your key to a .TXT file. Do not send your "private key" to anybody! -- Best regards, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.36 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Inbox Is Gone
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. I had to reinstall Windows today. Now, even though the folder pane shows the proper counts for several hundred messages in my Inbox, nothing is listed in the list pane. All other folders are displaying properly. How can I get my Inbox back? Thanks. Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Test Pegs 3.12a
Test message, please ignore - syafril - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
